"Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?"

Because their readers are brain-dead, vaccinated, AGW-believing, progressive Gronks?

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Mar 21 2024 10:40 utc | 1

thanks b

the more the msm diverges within itself, the better.. thanks for highlighting this example while highlighting how hypocritical the nyt is too..

Posted by: james | Mar 21 2024 10:49 utc | 2

Or the clownish WaPo - where democracy goes to die in darkness.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 10:54 utc | 3

The Jew York Times

Posted by: Cumino | Mar 21 2024 10:57 utc | 4

Here's the Truth!

Israel is building Palestine!

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/FHsJbXQX7ZF78gJ8/?mibextid=qi2Omg

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 21 2024 11:01 utc | 5

All the news that der leaders deem fit for untermensch to see.

Posted by: Dogtired | Mar 21 2024 11:02 utc | 6

Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?

Because only dreck reads dreck!

Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 21 2024 11:12 utc | 7

‘◾ Dancing with war criminals:
◾Circulating video footage shows former CIA Director and former United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo dancing with Israeli soldiers during his recent visit to Israeli settlements near Gaza.’

The US foreign policy has been driven by the imperialism ZioNazis for ever.
The US internal politics is controlled by zionazi fundamentalists money and blackmail. Much of the funds are laundered from the US public accounts to the Illegal Apartheid Entity and so costs nothing to them!
The US media news and entertainment industrial complex is wholly owned and controlled by a few mostly Zionazis oligarchs.

That is an opinion of a US politician from years ago. And why the NYT and it’s worldwide wormtongues and it’s smug consumers still believe they are the highest most civilised humans ever to exist.

They have an only one solution - be complicit in genocide now - watch the burnt kids without meds , the starving ones dying, women and men treated like concentration camp slave labourers. Killer for sport. Whilst the Nazios cheer and sing and dance.

Not. In. My. Name.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 11:13 utc | 8

Rather: The Paper of Dreckord

Posted by: Gar | Mar 21 2024 11:26 utc | 9

Why? Because NYT is Of the Jews, By the Jews, and for the Jews.

Apologies to Pres. Lincoln

Posted by: OldFart | Mar 21 2024 11:37 utc | 10

Tremendous post, b, thanks for illustrating the hypocrisy-The Grey Lady is a diseased, old, fat whore who now has to sell her jewelry as no one man will have her...

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:46 utc | 11

Its complicate[d]

Yeah, saving humanity is a real conundrum.

Extinguishing it is far less complicated. As such, the approval and distribution of weapons, the talismans of the universal faith, forge ahead unabashedly.

Posted by: john | Mar 21 2024 11:53 utc | 12

I know a lot of American "liberals", and they're very much still in the Democratic party bubble. It's difficult for me to fathom what it would take for that bubble to pop. They hate Putin, Trump, love Biden, Harris, Obama, etc.

Some recognize that the Gaza situation is bad, they say at least Biden is better than Trump, at least he's sending food and criticizing Netanyahu, also what about the other issues like the fact there won't be democracy anymore if Trump is President, E. Jean Carroll, etc.

My assumption is that for many people, politics has replaced religion.

Posted by: Afro | Mar 21 2024 12:03 utc | 13

'Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?' -- b

No one need pay. Various 'archive' sites (hint, hint) can bypass the paywall.

Nevertheless, just as 'free fentanyl' might be bad for your health, too much 'free dreck' consumption induces menticide.

New York Slimes articles should be read in strict moderation, only for the purpose of mocking, satirizing and parodying their naked Israeli propaganda and hasbara.

Death to the Lügenpresse!

Posted by: Jim H | Mar 21 2024 12:15 utc | 14

'In spring 1941, when preparation for Operation Barbarossa involved the planning of mass execution, mass expulsion, and starvation'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

Posted by: phenon | Mar 21 2024 12:19 utc | 15

Narrative. It is all about the Narrative. The story. The Fiction.
Once upon a time when the USA and New York were enterprising producers of valuable goods, and Newspapers had to sell plausible stories, whether true or contrived, the NYT sometimes released truth, or versions thereof.
Now the NYT, WaPo, Google, Facebook, dispensers of data, word factories are controlled by multi-Billionaires, immune from ad revenue. Their bird cage bottoms and eye-ball catchers are there to regurgitate the Party Line. That's it.
Printing Money brings many unintended consequences.

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 21 2024 12:19 utc | 16

MacFlecknoe

All human things are subject to decay,
And, when Fate summons, monarchs must obey:
This Flecknoe found, who, like Augustus, young
Was call'd to empire,
.. . .
To settle the succession of the State:
And pond'ring which of all his sons was fit
To reign, and wage immortal war with wit;
Cry'd, 'tis resolv'd; for nature pleads that he
Should only rule, who most resembles me:
Shadwell alone my perfect image bears,
Mature in dullness from his tender years.
Shadwell alone, of all my sons, is he
Who stands confirm'd in full stupidity.
The rest to some faint meaning make pretence,
But Shadwell never deviates into sense.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 21 2024 12:20 utc | 17

I feel sorry for NYT subscribers, people that pay for their own indoctrination.

Makes me think of the totalitarians that demanded payment from the wife for the bullet
used to execute her husband.

Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 12:22 utc | 18

Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why can't aid get to Gaza from Egypt?

Posted by: Newtest | Mar 21 2024 12:35 utc | 19

Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?

NY Yella Cake is a misty colored memory best forgotten.

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 21 2024 12:44 utc | 20

@Posted by: phenon | Mar 21 2024 12:19 utc | 15

Hmm...you posted the following on the Palestinian Open Thread 2024-083

The Zionists have entered a faustian bargain and have sold their souls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust

Posted by: phenon | Mar 19 2024 11:08 utc | 10

You apparently like wiki.

I responded with this:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/03/palestine-open-thread-2024-083.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3adec78200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3adec78200b

Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 12:48 utc | 21

Re my post @8
Interview with congressman James Traficant in 2009. It’s short go watch it.

‘We’re controlling the expansionist policy of I****l, and everybody’s afraid to say it ..’
https://t.me/European_dissident/50104

ZioFascists own and control the media.
Rep/Dem , Indy/Green don’t matter what you think you support - you are complicit and guilty of genocide.
Not just in Gaza but everywhere that you have supported military actions by every dumb fuck since Nixon - who was probably the last honest man after ‘John’ got shot.
It’s probably why Tricky Dicky started recording his conversations without anyone knowing. And that’s probably why they had to threaten him with impeachment instead of shooting him too! Because he had them all on tape - especially when he told Kissinger to keep the ziobastards away from his Administration.
That’s when they got DeepThroat (FBI), CIA mockingbirds and the Grey Lady to put the knife into him through the setup watergate breakin and arrest - the Mossad crew Libby and co.

That’s the NYT and it’s dumbdumbs and any idiot who still believe their eyes as the sickozionazi ‘soldiers’ own selfies showing not just ‘war crimes’ - they are not in a war - but crimes against humanity. Just like every single potus has been committing since the 80’s. The worst being Clintons/Bush’s/Obamas and this current turd.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 12:57 utc | 22

Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why can't aid get to Gaza from Egypt?

Posted by: Newtest | Mar 21 2024 12:35 utc | 20

If the Egyptian Army broke through the Israel blockade of Gaza's southern border, or boats from Turkey landed from the Mediterranean...

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 21 2024 12:57 utc | 23

It's difficult for me to fathom what it would take for that bubble to pop.

Posted by: Afro | Mar 21 2024 12:03 utc | 13

..............

No more NYT, that's what!

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 12:58 utc | 24

IMO, the law that ordered the sale of TicTok should also have ordered the ownership of the NYTs to be sold.

Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 13:00 utc | 25

To be seen reading NYT certifies membership in The Club. To be ready to join discussions that pre-suppose one has read NYT certifies membership in The Club.

Heres a headline sent me by text photo yesterday. '"It Turns Out the 'Deep State' is Actually Kind of Awesome" . Deck below headline has "Meet the unsung heroes making our country great". The byline is to Adam and Lindsay. This is Hearst 1890s or Pravda 1930s. That anyone can take this seriously and pretend to have an IQ above room temperature is baffling.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 21 2024 13:02 utc | 26

Netanyahu said there was "no obstacle" to the Palestinians leaving the Gaza Strip apart from the unwillingness of other countries to accept them, according to a Kann News journalist. Below is Netanyahu's statement (machine translated) according to Kann correspondent Yaara Shapira:

"We are looking into how to distribute the aid in Gaza through non-local entities because Hamas failed the attempts to distribute it through local entities. Private companies are also being investigated. As far as the State of Israel is concerned, there is no obstacle for the Gazans to leave, maybe even the port they are building could be used for this, but there are no countries in the world that are ready to receive them."

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 21 2024 13:06 utc | 27

Way back in the 90's I used to buy a magazine titled "Lies of our Times" which was a critique of what was and was not covered by the Nyt. Mr chompsky before getting senile and giving up used to write a regular article. We the people need publications like that and this to decide where the truth is. Usually truth is neither black or white but somewhere in the grey.

Posted by: Ross | Mar 21 2024 13:07 utc | 28

Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why can't aid get to Gaza from Egypt?

Posted by: Newtest | Mar 21 2024 12:35 utc | 20

_____

Egypt does what Israel and the USA want.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 21 2024 13:14 utc | 29

Many commenters express puzzlement as to why people would pay to read the NYT. It does have the occasional excellent article, such as yesterday's account of the excavation of a Bronze Age village in the English fens. But the real reason can be summed up in three words:

KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

Posted by: pasha | Mar 21 2024 13:16 utc | 30

Not sure how a distinction can be drawn between those papers of bad record and the cable news nightmare that was unleashed almost 30 years ago. Those phony purveyors count on the bogus backdrops provided by major disinformation channels, and they dont deviate or challenge the facts they manufacture.
It is always good to know how bad they are, but people have been feeding the cable companies despite the harm they inflict. Quite different from papers presumably trying to get by on newsstand sales, subscriptions and advertising. That used to be a working model, but then again, they used believe in actual reporting that included the fundaments of the 5 W's. The death of that basic principle is nearly all anyone needs to acknowledge in our descent into total misinformation. Keeping it stupid looks pretty easy in hindsight, but much of that perception was and is generated by false machinery. The NYT is just the tip above water. The history of this abomination should be well understood. Unless you read the NYT, I suppose.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Mar 21 2024 13:20 utc | 31

Reminds me of a CNN headline I saw the other day: "What's Wrong with the Hospitals in Gaza?" or something to that effect. ROW just going about their daily lives, all the while mass starvation underway with full support and cover provided by the U.S.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 21 2024 13:20 utc | 32

Thanks for this article, b.

The NY times notoriety as the "paper of record" has served to make it the single most important US outlet for propaganda masquerading as news. It is considered to be the "gold standard" for news by most of the political class who unquestioningly lap up its false narratives and spew them out in the faces of anyone who dares question them. Dialogue becomes impossible even with former colleagues who are brainwashed beyond belief.

As Mark Twain said, it is easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled. Trying to argue with the liberal true believer is like pissing in the wind.

The Empire of Lies depends on its media outlets to prepare and instruct the enslaved public to accept the righteousness of all its atrocities.

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 21 2024 13:25 utc | 33

NYT subscribers are paying to have their consciences assuaged while they passively support a genocide.

Posted by: Antiwar7 | Mar 21 2024 13:26 utc | 34

Newtest | Mar 21 2024 12:35 utc | 20
Philadelphia agreement. Goes back to when Israel occupied Gaza. They may have withdrawn troops but control the border. There's plenty of articles that talk about how over time Israel on a whim bans certain products from entry. ( mainly cement)So Egypt has no control of what goes in. Israel also limits food, this article is from 2012 but still relevant as the practice has not ended and theres articles repeating this from 2023

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/papers-show-israel-counted-calories-to-limit-food-to-gaza-during-blockade/

Note Israel claims it was just a guide but then took 3 years of court to be forced to release the document

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 21 2024 13:28 utc | 35

"Quality Paper" means nothing thesedays.
We living WEST capitalist country people forced to eat Trash masquerading as news report from MSM every single day.

Posted by: Nokaz | Mar 21 2024 13:36 utc | 36

Posted by: Afro | Mar 21 2024 12:03 utc | 13

You’re describing my parents and siblings. I have tried for years to persuade, cajole, shame them into seeing the Democrats for what they are, to no avail. No matter how much information I send their way, no matter how many times something I said turns out to be vindicated down the road, no matter the abundance of evidence right in front of their faces, they will not budge. I think most Republicans are the same way.

So, maybe it is their “religion”, but I think it has more to do with their conception of themselves and their world, maybe those two things are pretty close to being the same. It’s almost like asking a flat-earther to believe the earth is spherical. Please let me know if you discover how to break the spell.

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 13:48 utc | 37

Few things more shameful than feigned powerlessness in reaction to a genocide. And just as bad is pushing that narrative to the bitter end, as this represents. The old gray bitch.

Posted by: muttman | Mar 21 2024 14:12 utc | 38

It is the New York Times world, we just live in it.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 21 2024 14:21 utc | 39

B thanks for this very timely. My sister and I just had an argument about this very subject. Her kids and my kids West Coast East Coast are all on the same page, so I think my sister feels pretty insecure. She worked in Washington for 20 years for a certain senator. She has moved on and is very angry about both of these wars and all the other wars this clown has been a creator of. That said she still thinks the NYT is the only paper worth reading. She always starts every conversation with “i know you don’t like this paper but…. Well we had a bit of a blow out over the issue and I think she is really struggling to break free lol. But she lashed out at me and was like the NYT is why the Vietnam war ended. Oh boy that got my daughter in it and I was just stunned. She is sure that the protests and NYT is what forced the government to stop. So there is a long way to go. But it is that last hold of the DC political world she holds onto still. Let’s hope she makes the final push.

Posted by: Susan | Mar 21 2024 14:28 utc | 40

Good point, B. We're in this twilight period between two eras and for some reason legacy media and it's readership are still taken seriously.

That won't last.

At this point, the NYT readership is either willfully ignorant of reality or in on the lie and reading the NYT to stay current on the new set of lies they'll have to promote at work, home, school tomorrow.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 14:28 utc | 41

I used to subscribe (free) to the New York Times Morning Report. The only reason I subscribed to it was to see what they were saying, how they were shading the facts, and what propaganda was being pushed.

During the debates between Biden and Trump leading to the 2020 election, Biden clearly said in a raised voice, "I'm going to end fracking." I heard him say it. The next day's New York Times Morning Report said in an article summarizing the debate, "Biden has no intention of ending fracking." That was a lie, exactly the opposite of what he had said. It wasn't "shading the facts". It was a blatant lie in an attempt to fool the readers.

At that point, I decided that reading the New York Times was an exercise in futility. There is no reason to read their articles and try to figure out which statements are complete lies, which are partial lies, and which are just heavily biased. I cancelled my subscription. The conflict in Ukraine and the events in Gaza have reinforced the necessity of reading sources other than cable news and mainstream media if I want to know what is really going on.

Posted by: Belle | Mar 21 2024 14:37 utc | 42

It is more like hypnosis thaan indoctrination. NYT readers are not coming out of the trance. If, as Putin had it recently, the vampire ball ends, NYT readers wil go to their graves having no idea what happened. They will not enter reality under any circumstance.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 21 2024 14:39 utc | 43

It is the New York Times Yella Cake world, we just live in it.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 21 2024 14:21 utc | 40

An apt reference. The Good Shepherd (2006) illustrates the width and depth of a US American's historicity.

Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 21 2024 14:42 utc | 44

Why single out the New York Times? The sources that Americans use to obtain 90 percent of the information they receive are six corporate entities owned largely by Vanguard and Blackrock. The US public is thoroughly indoctrinated. That is obvious and it has been true for a long time.

Posted by: David | Mar 21 2024 14:51 utc | 45

oldhippie | Mar 21 2024 13:02 utc | 27

Agreed; it is very much about demonstrating fealty to The Club. In certain strata, the urge to conform supercedes critical thinking/skepticism every time; as Afro mentioned above, it supplants religion for those who are "too smart for religion."

Posted by: robjira | Mar 21 2024 15:00 utc | 46

Chomsky and Herman demonstrated a long time ago now that those people exposed the most to “news” tended to be the ones most highly educated and also the ones with the most wrong “facts” about the Vietnam War.

The point of the Times is to set the acceptable left edge of American thought … its importance cannot be exaggerated as all other newstertainment sources in the country take their cues from it.

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 21 2024 15:09 utc | 47

Well Belle 43, Biden indeed lied about ending fracking. We're producing more oil than ever. Biden pays lip service to liberals and pushes his sold out conservative agenda. Pro-banking, pro-corporation, pro-war, the man who gave us the crime bill, Clarence Thomas and supported every neo-con war. You too are in a news sewer on the other end.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Mar 21 2024 15:19 utc | 48

The Jew York Times
Posted by: Cumino | Mar 21 2024 10:57 utc | 4

The Jew Pork Slimes

Posted by: Kiza | Mar 21 2024 15:21 utc | 49

How well does anyone listen or heed what is said by a known liar? Generally, such people get ignored. I learned many decades ago to look for objective news and information from a wide variety of sources.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 15:25 utc | 50

I think that AIPAC and the UN resolution 181 should be revisited and dealt with.
Negate UN res. 181, and mark AIPAC a disruptive foreign agent inclined to supporting a genocidal terrorism. Such steps would be a right direction solving this carnage for once and all.
Everything else fails miserably.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 21 2024 15:28 utc | 51

Seriously, what do you expect from a paper that is frequently referred to as 'Jew York Times"?

Posted by: Pierre | Mar 21 2024 15:29 utc | 52

@48
Great article by Hedges on Biden's presidential legacy.
https://scheerpost.com/2024/03/17/chris-hedges-joe-bidens-parting-gift-to-america-will-be-christian-fascism/

Posted by: Thurl | Mar 21 2024 15:31 utc | 53

"Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?"

To reinforce what you already want to believe.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 21 2024 15:40 utc | 54

Posted by: David | Mar 21 2024 14:51 utc | 45

Because the NYT readers are the intelligentsia.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 21 2024 15:45 utc | 55

@Posted by: David | Mar 21 2024 14:51 utc | 45

Exactly, its the oligarchic and state (BBC, CBC etc.) media organs that work to reinforce the hegemonic culture and ideology with constant repetition ("Israel has a right to defend itself") and exclusion ("Gazans being consciously starved to death by Israel, the IDF are executing and raping people just like the Nazis"). Its why TikTok must be tamed, it is a site for open discourse that undermines the "message". That's why I disconnected from the MSM a long time ago.

I do read such things as Foreign Affairs now and again because it gives a good take on where Western elite opinion is.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 21 2024 15:46 utc | 56

A civilization whose premise is based on the nihilistic falsehood of wrongly attributting Divine status to Jesus (who many experts such as Harvard PhD Reza Aslan assert was actually a Prophet, in the vein of many others sent to Bnei Israel, sent to reform them and free them from the tyranny of elite and hugely corrupted Jewish clergy that had co-opted with the Romans) can pretty much be expected to swallow ANY kind of falsehood, regardless of the facts on ground.

So the answer to your question is: Merely critical thinking is not enough for fact-based comprehension -- there is a moral compass at play here which has been skewed for a long time for many western readers.

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 15:58 utc | 57

Simply obscene

Posted by: Chris N | Mar 21 2024 16:14 utc | 58

A civilization whose premise is based on the nihilistic falsehood of wrongly attributting Divine status to Jesus (who many experts such as Harvard PhD Reza Aslan assert was actually a Prophet, in the vein of many others sent to Bnei Israel, sent to reform them and free them from the tyranny of elite and hugely corrupted Jewish clergy that had co-opted with the Romans) can pretty much be expected to swallow ANY kind of falsehood, regardless of the facts on ground.

So the answer to your question is: Merely critical thinking is not enough for fact-based comprehension -- there is a moral compass at play here which has been skewed for a long time for many western readers.

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 15:58 utc | 57

Oh yes, Tran. If it weren't for those damn Christians, US Imperialism would behave in a cooperative fashion. Let's focus on modern material reality a bit, old boy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 16:28 utc | 59

well, I used to... but now I'm older I agree with you. There is no reason to read NYT if you want to be informed.... only if you have a lot of money and are addicted to crossword puzzles....

Posted by: Slavec | Mar 21 2024 16:30 utc | 60

Seriously, what do you expect from a paper that is frequently referred to as 'Jew York Times"?

Posted by: Pierre | Mar 21 2024 15:29 utc | 52

Jews or not, NYT would be towing the imperialist line or disappear and some other more pliant rag would be dubbed "the paper of record".

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 16:30 utc | 61

NYT also told me today that there is a power vacuum and lawless chaos in northern Gaza, and the US is concerned about it.

It is all narrative promotion and management for Zionist occupation and US power in that region.

NYT reporters actually live in a house stolen from Palestinians.

Ethan Bronner's son was in th IDF when he was reporting for the Times.

Posted by: Tobie | Mar 21 2024 16:38 utc | 62

More here also about the NYT:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/west-israel-never-initiates-violence-it-only-retaliates

Posted by: JB | Mar 21 2024 16:39 utc | 63

Oh yes, Tran. If it weren't for those damn Christians, US Imperialism would behave in a cooperative fashion. Let's focus on modern material reality a bit, old boy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 16:28 utc | 59

Modern day imperialism has its roots in, and is indeed just a watered down, outwardly-secularized version of the expansion of Christiandom to the Americas and the rest of the world. Known to plebians of your ilk, barbarus, as [b] "Colonialism."[/b]

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 16:39 utc | 64

Here is a comment from the latest Palestinian Thread.
Some comments stick with you. This is one that will be with me a very long time.

Then I have this other genius Catholic friend who told me stop worrying about genocide in Gaza and spend a weekend at .....a Holocaust museum! They were serious! They were genuinely trying to help me.

I swear people have lost their marbles.

@Posted by: pq | Mar 21 2024 9:12 utc | 61

What do people learn at the Holocaust Museums?
To turn their back on Genocide.

Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 16:44 utc | 65

@Posted by: JB | Mar 21 2024 16:39 utc | 63

Your link has a big photo of people that get it.

NEW YORK TIMES WAR CRIMES

Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 16:47 utc | 66

You think NYTs readers are fanatically wrong, try and have a conversation with a dedicated NPR listener. 😂

Regimist media is merely signaling the establishment what is the approved party line. Regimist media has a minuscule mind share these days. For example; A mid-tier blogger has more viewers than CNN.

Independent media dominates mind share by an order of magnitude these days.

Treat regimist media like any troll - best ignored

Posted by: Exile | Mar 21 2024 16:49 utc | 67

Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 16:39 utc | 64
I think that you will find that, as in the Reconquista itself, the expansion of Catholic christianity in Latin America, was not an entirely spiritual exercise.
It may surprise you to learn that the Spaniards not only won vast amounts of plunder in the form of precious metals and artifacts but enslaved the local population in order to mobilise the fertility and biological wealth of the continent.
It is a process that still exists as the briefest look at the history of Latin America will show. Eduardo Galeano wrote very well on the matter.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2024 17:01 utc | 68

B's articles regarding NYT reminds me of the tendency that people have when encountering something of strong and distasteful odor - they suggest that others should experience it themselves.

Much of the (even rather inciteful) analysis devolves to noting what is the latest outrage committed by those in power and their minions. It strikes me as akin to the "How could God let it rain on my wedding day?" mentality. I think it is more worthwhile to monitors actual events and note constructive ideas and efforts.

Posted by: jared | Mar 21 2024 17:07 utc | 69

The Jew York Times

Posted by: Cumino | Mar 21 2024 10:57 utc | 4

The naked truth people will come to, when they are done with moral preening, is that there not only is nearly zero reason to consume journalism and political opinion from any jew for any reason - there is actually such danger from doing so that people like greenwald & hersh simply don't add enough positive to outweigh the negative.

The intellectuals of every race around the world must absolutely, positively not let the everyday man in their society consume jewish media of any sort. Now obviously I am not saying to burn books and physically stop jews from publishing things but...

Jews were huge proponents of free speech and now their power is at risk, they are rabidly against it. Howard stern went from carefree shockjock to literally menopausal harpy overnight in terms of his position on free speech.

Again, the truth is, in gentile countries, jews should not have free speech. The rest of the people in that country should.

And if you disagree with me, let me get out in front of your rebuttal - fuck your principals, I want results - what has jewish 'free speech' gotten us other than porno and propaganda ?

Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 21 2024 17:09 utc | 70

Having said that, I will say that it is interesting and frightening to note how we are and have been overwhelmed by propaganda and how susceptible we are - all of us.

If we only spoke of what we could be reasonably certain, how much would we have to say.

Then we could hear the birds.

Posted by: jared | Mar 21 2024 17:13 utc | 71

@ Tranquilo | 57

Tranquillo, quoting Reza Asslan as an authority is the definition of self-debasement …

Posted by: Liberator | Mar 21 2024 17:15 utc | 72

I have several friends that are committed to the belief of Israel Uber-Alles. Israel can do no wrong in their eyes. They either deny the starvation is going on, because everyone knows the papers reporting it are propaganda, as well as any UN, EU, NGO source all lie. And, if it is a non-west news source, they all lie. The other friends accept that if it is happening, the Gazans deserve it because they are all HAMAS, including the innocent children. Can't shake their bias in any way. It makes me weep.

Posted by: Matt | Mar 21 2024 17:15 utc | 73

The New York Times is not even the tip of the iceberg…

America and most of the West is living the latest version of the Weimar Republic… The same level of carelessness, decadence, depravity, etc. pushed by the same group and for the same reasons.

American “culture” is made by Hollywood Pharisees…
Americans get their news by MSM controlled by Pharisees…
The Sexual Revolution was orchestrated and managed by Pharisees…
The Same Sex marriage efforts were funded and managed by Pharisees…
The Transgender Agenda is funded and managed by Pharisees…

AND, of course, the entire US government is bought and paid for, by way of campaign donations, by… Pharisees.

The results: American soldiers are Israel ‘ mercenaries…

Posted by: Liberator | Mar 21 2024 17:26 utc | 74

Pharisees

Hmmm….should become widespread descriptor

Posted by: Exile | Mar 21 2024 17:34 utc | 75

I think that you will find that, as in the Reconquista itself, the expansion of Catholic christianity in Latin America, was not an entirely spiritual exercise.
It may surprise you to learn that the Spaniards not only won vast amounts of plunder in the form of precious metals and artifacts but enslaved the local population in order to mobilise the fertility and biological wealth of the continent.
It is a process that still exists as the briefest look at the history of Latin America will show. Eduardo Galeano wrote very well on the matter.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2024 17:01 utc | 68

Am very well aware, and absolutely in agreement. Cheers.

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 17:34 utc | 76

"If we only spoke of what we could be reasonably certain, how much would we have to say.

Then we could hear the birds."

E x a c t l y

99% of what we have in our heads are fantasies. For me, each shred of knowledge has cost me years and years and years and thousands of hours of patient study and research, in addition to a fortune in books. The Internet has made access to knowledge much cheaper.

They've been lying to me since I was 5 years old. But to get out of the dark cave it takes time and will... and not to be classist.

Most of my ape-like fellow citizens simply identify with the dominant one.

The end of the Truman Show is exactly the story of my life. From slavery to freedom. Although, as expressed in The Matrix, the knowledge of harsh reality is very bitter compared to the comfort of mental slavery.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 17:39 utc | 77

Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?

This has a lot to do with it, the world over.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2761684730989137546&postID=5271684262638760200&bpli=1

Happens everywhere you look in every academic subject. I'm at the stage now, that I fully accept we have all been lied too since the day we were born.

Election time in our countries are almost upon us, we will be faced with 24/7 wall to wall bullshit.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 17:43 utc | 78

The Economist answers b's question:
"..Our cover in most of the world this week considers why Israel, even at this moment of military might, looks deeply vulnerable. In a leader we argue that America should help it find a better strategy. Our briefing explains that even if Israel topples Hamas in Gaza, and can thus claim in some sense to have “won” the war, in the longer term its security will remain under threat. We also outline the mechanisms for replacing Binyamin Netanyahu as Israel’s prime minister, the obstacles to it and the implications if it happens. And we ask whether Mohammad Mustafa, his new Palestinian counterpart, can possibly revitalise the Palestinian Authority..."

When the enemy is thinking aloud-and The Economist has been 'the enemy' for the better part of two hundred years- it is useful to listen.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2024 17:43 utc | 79

Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2024 17:43 utc | 79

Not really ...

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2761684730989137546&postID=5271684262638760200&bpli=1

It's better to start with a discussion like that ?

Or to put it another way, since the day we were born, has any of us ever been told the truth ?

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 17:46 utc | 80

The European conquests of the Americas were purely commercial enterprises. The only reason they brought the church along was because to stabilize new colonial territories for exploitation, you need some form of brainwashing, and TV hadn’t been invented yet. The church was state-of-the-art brainwashing back then.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 21 2024 17:51 utc | 81

There's was a family were we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house. When TV was all the rage and something new and EVERYBODY wanted one and they ended up with 10 kids lol.

Everybody thought they were completely bonkers and their kids got bullied so bad at school they had to move in the end.

Looking back, they were both teachers and knew the score long before anybody did. They were the clever ones all right and the rest were a bunch of fools.

I still wonder to this day what their kids are up to and how they are getting on.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 17:58 utc | 82

I guess Glazer should have made the point more explicitly that the NYT is the media equivalent of the house and garden of Rudolf Höss.

Meanwhile, 17000 children in Gaza are orphaned, don’t know where their families are, or (and this guts me) don't know who they are....

NYT bubble be damned. When will the ground itself revolt that such men defile it by walking upon it? How much blood can it soak up before the very earth groans 'enough!'?

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 21 2024 18:00 utc | 83

;)) Welcome to the best intimate club -- https://shorturl.at/fpKL1

Posted by: Santella | Mar 21 2024 18:01 utc | 84

Of the three film versions of Plato's Cave

I think the Saturn Prize (1999) should have gone to...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Floor

....based on "Simulacron-3" (1964)

What bothers me most about the Western Mental-Media Bubble is not its children's narrative for the colossal kindergarten that is the West, but the wall made of tons and tons of silence, silence, silence.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 18:02 utc | 85

Being a newspaper of record, future historians will reference the NYT's content in writing their histories,and perhaps (I don't know the poster's mind. of course) that's why it was singled-out for dishonor?!
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Posted by: David | Mar 21 2024 14:51 utc | 45 ~ ( "MoA: b: The New York Times... " )

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Mar 21 2024 18:12 utc | 86

Mainstream media and ideological driven social media are exactly like this today.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRh5qy09nNw&pp=ygUcZ3JvdXB0aGluayBzb2NpYWwgZXhwZXJpbWVudA%3D%3D

Why below the line comments were introduced.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 18:13 utc | 87

Posted by: jared | Mar 21 2024 17:07 utc | 69

Part of the charm of this bar is that it functions as a sort of mutual aid society, which means commiserating and carping are expected and indeed appreciated. At the same time, it is a bar, so you occasionally get punched in the mouth, figuratively of course. And then there are the people who wander in off the street jabbering about lizard people. So, relax and remember…

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
And Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

Bottoms up!

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 18:16 utc | 88

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 18:02 utc | 85

Yes, it is strange. In the US, there are camps and everyone in the camp talks the same way about a certain subject. So you debate the same topics, with the same ideas with many different people. Everyone is on script according to the ideas of their camp. What’s the source of this? Candace Owen’s recently had a fallout with a Rabbi who balled her antisemitic and brought him into her show. Even though she condemned October 7, she refused to say it was the greatest evil in the history of mankind. The Rabbi was a Loyala Professor with an affiliation with what seemed to be powerful Jewish groups out of New York. It was clear that these Rabbis expect to dictate speech and thought in the same way that I imagine a monarchy would in bygone eras.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 21 2024 18:25 utc | 89

even the Nazis had moral standards, as Himmler said: his most difficult task was not sparing kids from extermination. But the alternative implied the chance, they might grow to take revenge one day - so there was no way allowing that.
Ben Gvir & Co probably think alike, plus they're just superior and it's meant to be - what can you do.

For their supporters it's rather sober reasons, like economical benefit, etc. Surely lots of sociopaths, yet the largest group probably considers themselves to have rather "normal" or even high morals. Sure they know better, toi get along with their ego - they simply switch reality. Like NYT offers, community included.

They buy this dreck for "plausible deniability". It supports their preferred "reality"

Posted by: Fahrenheit1984 | Mar 21 2024 18:31 utc | 90

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 21 2024 15:09 utc | 47

its importance cannot be exaggerated as all other newstertainment sources in the country take their cues from it.

Sometimes I take a look at the NYT headlines, then I check our local paper of reference "El País" and there it is, exactly the same BS. Then again, it belongs to some US investment fund, planetary privatization, the dream of the bankers busboys like Macron and mostly all eurocrats. Amazing how we got to where we are, slow suicide and absolute stupidity.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 21 2024 18:41 utc | 91

Most illuminating Analysis of Miltary gains and losses in Gaza since hostilities began on 2.Oct from Arab POV:

https://english.almanar.com.lb/2068816

Posted by: Exile | Mar 21 2024 18:50 utc | 92

82 - I was in a chess club once and played a woman, considerably older than myself, who intrigued me when she said she had no TV and never watched it. She was a brilliant chess player, far better than myself. I wonder if there is a connection between not watching the "idiot box" and high intelligence.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 21 2024 18:59 utc | 93

We need around the world stop the zion solution.

Posted by: phenon | Mar 21 2024 19:04 utc | 94

89 - In the Renaissance, it was often said that "the anger of the prince is death". Maybe the latter-day equivalents will be content with just destroying careers...

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 21 2024 19:05 utc | 95

Paco | Mar 21 2024 18:41 utc | 91--

Good to see you commenting! In her weekly briefing, Maria Zakharova notes just that sort of lock-step, scripted behavior by Western media. Several instances are noted in my "Maria Zakharova Briefing: Selections", which over the last several months have grown into rather long reads mainly because there's so much to explain.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 19:31 utc | 96

Imagine this kind of information is available, but it's a tree falling in a forest and no one hears it.

Maps showing battlefield dynamics in Gaza since start of the genocide:

https://english.almanar.com.lb/2068816

Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Mar 21 2024 19:48 utc | 97

@ Tranquilo | 57

Tranquillo, quoting Reza Asslan as an authority is the definition of self-debasement …
Posted by: Liberator | Mar 21 2024 17:15 utc | 72

Not entirely sure what you're getting at, and I am by no means am a Aslan stan. He does, however, makes some profoundly interesting points in "Zealot," a book he's written that is based on his own dissertation, points that are well-referenced and discussed at length.

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 21 2024 20:00 utc | 98

IMO, the law that ordered the sale of TicTok should also have ordered the ownership of the NYTs to be sold.

Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 13:00 utc | 26
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I still don't get how an entity---corporation or whatever---can be ordered to sell its property.

But hell, yeah, why doesn't Hamas order the sale of the NYT!!!

Just for chuckles . . .

Posted by: Jane | Mar 21 2024 20:11 utc | 99

Egypt has a border with Gaza. Why can't aid get to Gaza from Egypt?

Posted by: Newtest | Mar 21 2024 12:35 utc | 20

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Egypt does what Israel and the USA want.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 21 2024 13:14 utc | 30
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Is there any kind of civil society in Egypt? Independent NGOs?

Also aren't there a lot of Pal refugees in Egypt?

Where is the Egyptian "street"?

Posted by: Jane | Mar 21 2024 20:15 utc | 100