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March 26, 2024

New York Times Misreports Gaza UNSC Resolution

To no ones surprise the very same New York Times which relied on lying witnesses to falsely claim that Hamas had raped Israeli women is also lying about a ceasefire resolution for Gaza that yesterday passed the United Nations Security Council.

U.N. Security Council Calls for Immediate Cease-Fire in Gaza as U.S. Abstains

The United Nations Security Council on Monday passed a resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip during the remaining weeks of Ramadan, breaking a five-month impasse during which the United States vetoed three calls for a halt to the fighting.

The resolution passed with 14 votes in favor and the United States abstaining, which U.S. officials said they did in part because the resolution did not condemn Hamas. In addition to a cease-fire, the resolution also called for the “immediate and unconditional release of all hostages” and the lifting of “all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance.”

UNSC resolutions are legally binding documents under international law. They therefore use a very specific language. If the UNSC 'calls upon' someone to do something it is the legal equivalent of asking 'pretty please'. It has no real consequences.

However, UNSC Resolution 2728 which passed yesterday on a 14 to 0 vote with the U.S. abstaining, does not 'call upon' Israel or Hamas to do this or that.

It demands them to do something:

The Security Council, ...
...
1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;

2. Emphasizes the urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance to and reinforce the protection of civilians in the entire Gaza Strip and reiterates its demand for the lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale, in line with international humanitarian law as well as resolutions 2712 (2023) and 2720 (2023); ...

Soon after the resolution passed the U.S. falsely claimed that it is not legally binding:

Heidi Matthews @Heidi__Matthews - 22:45 UTC · Mar 25, 2024

The U.S. is unilaterally claiming that Security Council resolution 2728 is non-binding and therefore has no impact on its policy or the legality of Israel’s continued war. This is not so obvious… 🧵
...
How do we figure out the will of the UNSC (the 14 members that voted in favour)? We turn to the principles of treaty interpretation contained in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. We try to figure out the 'ordinary meaning of the text in light of its object & purpose'.

This could be a looong discussion. But for now, note that para 1 of the resolution uses exhortatory language: "*Demands* an immediate ceasefire". "Demands" looks a lot more like it creates an obligation than, for example, language of "emphasizing", "calling upon", "urging", etc.

Finally, many of the states who spoke at the session today noted their understanding of the resolution as binding. (I'd have to go back to the transcript for a fuller picture, but several so noted). ...

Verfassungsblog - On Matters Constitutional agrees:

In conclusion, the resolution is – despite statements to the contrary – legally binding and creates a legally binding request for an immediate ceasefire during Ramadan and a legally binding request to immediately release all hostages.
The obvious elephant in the room is enforcement: who is to enforce the Security Council resolution in the current situation? It ultimately falls to the parties of the conflict to heed the Security Council’s call, and to the Council itself to enforce its requests. Given the experience of the past months, this is no cause for enthusiasm. Yet, the fact that the Council could agree on the text, after five vetoes on the matter, is, perhaps, a shred of hope.

By using the 'calls for' wording instead of the 'demand' used in the real resolution the New York Times is deceiving its readers about the obligations the resolution created.

The Washington Post is, in comparison, using the correct language:

The latest resolution, demanding an end to fighting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and the release of all hostages, was backed by 14 nations including China and Russia. The United States abstained, allowing it to pass.

While the language is correct even the Washington Post report is still a bit deceiving. The U.S. and Israel have tried to combine the two issues of a ceasefire and of a hostage release into one issues. The ceasefire would depend on the hostage release and vice versa.

But the UNSC resolution has explicitly separated those issues into two different demands and has added the immediate provision of food as another one.

It demand that both sides cease fire. It demands that both sides release hostages. It does not connect the two items.

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"It demands that both sides release hostages."

That is huge! That is what Hamas has asked for since Oct 7th.

How many thousands of hostages is Israel holding?

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 14:52 utc | 1

The Resolution is not self implementing. It requires follow-up implementation and enforcement measures by the UN. Biden Administration stated that it would veto any attempts to enforce it. That's why they called it "non-binding" - i.e. to provide cover for any future US vetoes of UN sanctions or peacekeeping troops. US has never recognized enforceable jurisdiction of the UN or other global institutions and infringements on US sovereignty (with the exception of US created global economic institutions).

Biden also effectively said US would not comply and ignore it and continue to provide money and weapons.

These are not complicated legal questions - they are political.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:03 utc | 2

Regardless of the wording, all it is is just words, well intentioned but ultimately, if you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk. Ain't gonna happen and every barfly knows it.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Mar 26 2024 15:05 utc | 3

The language is tricky and misleading and games are being played - it does not "demand both sides release hostages".

There are two standards: one for the "hostages" (implicitly defined as those held by Hamas) and one for "detainees (implicitly those held by Israel).

Read it closely. Hostages must be released immediately. Detainees merely subject to "international laws"

1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:06 utc | 4

demand without enforcement proves my point about the UN.. it is an organization of nation states, with no duty to enforce its demands against its own members or against those who deal directly with its own members.

To be effective enforcement and investigation must be separate and apart from the nation state system.. it must be separately, and independently financed ( a fixed % of every nations budget delivered directly to the independent 2nd government which I have named "the audit government"), and it must have its own enforcement arm, operative inside of every nation state, with ful authority to investigate and observe anything any official or employee of government or of a government contractor does, and it must have its own penal system.
The Audit government should be authorized to govern all those who are the regular, already existing sitting government, it needs to hold its own elections and have its own charter and its authority needs to reach to all attachments to the operating regular government (like corporations, NGOs, contractors, Ambassadors, military and such).

Posted by: snake | Mar 26 2024 15:13 utc | 5

2 stories.
They murderous genocide by Israel gets worse and worse.

The role of US as guarantor of Israel is falling apart as US and western credibiity collapses (trade, Economics, twin deficits, weapons superiority, aircraft carrier effectivenessforcesuperiority, Ukraine, Aghanistan, China, Sahel or even Venezuela).
So freedom for ME and even Yemen to throw their weight around.
Israel is the most obvious and easily predicted symptom of US decline.

Posted by: Mickey Droy | Mar 26 2024 15:18 utc | 6

Biden also effectively said US would not comply and ignore it and continue to provide money and weapons.

These are not complicated legal questions - they are political.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:03 utc | 2

Yes. Good in principle, but really merely a tactical political move to stave off the overwhelming unpopularity of Genocide Joe in an election year. The intelligence dominated media will now use it as proof of imperialism's concern for the Palestinians, while reassuring the Zionazis it's a toothless resolution and abetting the genocide just a surely as before the resolution passed.

Until the two parties of the RC are overthrown by the people of the US or militarily/economically broken by China/Russia, the genocide in Palestine will continue and be spread around the world to any people inconvenient to imperialism, including areas of the US itself. As AB said, were all Palestinians now.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 26 2024 15:20 utc | 7

Vis-a-vis Verfassungsblog

It ultimately falls to the parties of the conflict to heed the Security Council’s call, and to the Council itself to enforce its requests.

Form a posse. It is past due.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 26 2024 15:22 utc | 8

There was a time years ago when you could actually trust the New York Times. See:

"Our source was the New York Times" - Dr. Strangelove

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 26 2024 15:28 utc | 9

Also prior to the vote proper the Russian raised the point that the wording had been changed and the word "permanent" removed, (I think from the draft that had previously been agreed) therefore diluting the resolution . They therefore proposed an amendment which was rejected.

Security Council Demands Immediate Ceasefire in Gaza for Month of Ramadan, Adopting Resolution 2728 (2024) with 14 Members Voting in Favour, United States Abstaining

The speaker for the Russian Federation said that the fact his delegation learned of a proposal to replace the word “permanent” — in relation to a ceasefire in operative paragraph 1 — with weaker wording approximately an hour before today’s meeting was “unacceptable”. Also noting that the remaining text is too subject to interpretation, he said this could allow Israel to resume military operations in Gaza at any moment following the expiry of the ceasefire that will hopefully be established today. He, therefore, proposed an oral amendment to return the word “permanent” to operative paragraph 1. 

By a vote of 3 in favour (Algeria, China, Russian Federation) to 1 against (United States), with 11 abstentions, the Council rejected the amendment, owing to the failure to obtain the required number of votes.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15641.doc.htm

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 26 2024 15:29 utc | 10

I suspect the US has in the past used less exigently worded UN resolutions to 'intervene' in places like Iraq, Syria, and Libya. But hypocrisy is inherent in almost all diplomacy, or as Thucydides famously noted: "...the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." In the case of Gaza, the Melians (i.e. Hamas) chose destruction over submission, following their attack against Israel. However, the picture's complicated by Netanyahu's boast that Hamas served the ends and goals of Israel, far more than the PLO did. So it's as if the Athenians had promoted an anti-Athenian dictatorship upon the Melian polity as pretext for the destruction of Melos, while blaming Melos for their suicidal intransigence of not recognizing the universal truth of the maxim, judgment, and theorem that "...the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

Posted by: Ludo | Mar 26 2024 15:33 utc | 11

What is known about people held by a) Hamas and b) Israel?

While one group is commonly referred to as "hostages" and the other as "prisoners", at least reports on the Internet suggest that the "prisoners" are not incarcerated following the due process normally expected when authorities arrest people - warrants, court orders, legal representation, formal charges backed by evidence that needs to be reviewed and approved by a court within 24 hours.

And when the other group is referred to as "hostages" - are they all innocent civilians who were at the wrong place at the wrong time, or is there more to at least some of them?

Or, phrased differently: when the security council demands the release of "all hostages" without mentioning Hamas: are they addressing Hamas only, or both parties?

Posted by: Marvin | Mar 26 2024 15:34 utc | 12

Outlaw US Empire still trying to keep its rules on top and subordinate all else.

As for enforcement, too scents @8 has it right: Form a Posse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 26 2024 15:37 utc | 13

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 26 2024 15:37 utc | 13

For starters, I'd be pleased with a worldwide state-sanctioned BDS movement extending to all enablers of the attrocities committed in Gaza!

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Mar 26 2024 15:43 utc | 14

The uncontrolled Nations of the UN can break the blockade and bring in aid, medicine, security against attacks and harassment directly on the beaches of Gaza.
Any one doubt that?
If the illegal apartheid entity even dares to light up their radars - then just blow them away.
Along with any illegal Settlers who have laid colonial claim to the land.

All the Zionazis have left is weasel words - illusory wizard spells. They fool themselves.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 26 2024 15:45 utc | 15

UNSC Resolution 2728 does not contain any enforcement provisions. So presumably it could serve as a basis for a civil suit but there is no authorization for anyone to use military force to enforce it.

For example enforcement provision, see UNSC Resolution 1973, authorizing member states to "protect civilians" and enforce a no-fly zone over Libya in 2011.

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Marvin | Mar 26 2024 15:34 utc | 12

when the security council demands the release of "all hostages" without mentioning Hamas: are they addressing Hamas only, or both parties?
Only Hamas' captives are considered "hostages", rightly or wrongly. One could argue that Israel arrested its prisoners based, at least loosely, on something they did, rather than simply to use as a negotiating pawn.

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 15:51 utc | 16

thanks b..

there are hostages on both sides... we never hear about all the hostages israel is holding.. they call them prisoners, terrorists and what have you, but they are essentially hostages to israels bullshit ideology...

i had heard netanyahu has cancelled the delegation trip to the usa over the usa abstaining here... apparently biden has acted out of hand, lol.. maybe he is trying to save his own ass... a couple of political criminals doing what's right for others... not a fat chance of that..

Posted by: james | Mar 26 2024 15:51 utc | 17

And when the other group is referred to as "hostages" - are they all innocent civilians who were at the wrong place at the wrong time, or is there more to at least some of them?

Posted by: Marvin | Mar 26 2024 15:34 utc | 12

What is meant by "innocent civilians"? What happens to Palestinians that try to get the Occupiers to stop trespassing? Dead.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 15:52 utc | 18

One could argue that Israel arrested its prisoners based, at least loosely, on something they did, rather than simply to use as a negotiating pawn.

@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 15:51 utc | 16

'Something they did' - like attempting to stop the ongoing theft of Palestinian land.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 15:56 utc | 19

@@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 15:51 utc | 16

... and I would say that the taking of "prisoners" is more than 'negotiating' it is a direct threat.
A threat - "you protest the theft of your land and this is what you get."

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 15:58 utc | 20

bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:06 utc | 4

I think we are agreed here-all of us- no resolution can be self enforcing. This resolution is binding on all members of the UN. Israel is now defying the UNSC and faces sanctions.

On the other hand if the UN, which some will recall invaded Korea after a much smaller provocation (if it was real), cannot organise itself to impose sanctions to enforce its will then there is a real possibility that other international organisations will feel compelled to act.

What is apparent is that there is, in the form of BRICS, such an organisation with the potential muscle to enforce this resolution. It is most unlikely that it will but the mere fact of its existence-albeit in a vestigial state- is a reminder of the potential that exists for future development. And that such development appears to be inevitable.

There are also such organisations as the Arab League, which, despite all cavils, is heavily invested in this resolution- Israeli collaborationists in Arab capitals are increasingly isolated,find their positions increasingly awkward- and the Muslim Countries' conferences.

As the Morning Star editorial today points out, the US abstention and the votes in favour of the rsolution by the UK, France and other puppets was forced on them by the power of popular opinion demonstrated in the streets. The Zionist governments hate these marches, they do all they can to discredit and prevent them, they use their media power to minimise the coverage given to them.
But they are bowing to them. And anyone who doesn't see the importance of that should stick to cooking shows- they will never understand politics. Just as they do not understand how important those 'Uncommitted' Primary votes have been.
When the people awake they are, like adolescents, erect! And inclined towards radical politics- those who recall the late sixties will have seen this.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2024 16:00 utc | 21

#2 "The Resolution is not self implementing."

This is true. However, any nation can (and should), referring to the resolution and Israel's lack of compliance, enact its own implementation steps. As in: No trade with Israel until it complies; no political, social (including all areas such as arts, sports, scientific, etc.) or other contact with Israel; etc.

This needs to happen ASAP.

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 26 2024 16:01 utc | 22

Zionism is a psychopathic ideology.

Only their interests matter.
They are never wrong
and if you don't see it their way
there is something wrong with you - "antisemite".

They are never wrong so whatever they do, be it theft, murder, oppression or genocide
they are in the right.

https://www.unz.com/article/israels-biblical-psychopathy/

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 23

Posted by: snake | Mar 26 2024 15:13 utc | 5

demand without enforcement proves my point about the UN.. it is an organization of nation states, with no duty to enforce its demands against its own members or against those who deal directly with its own members.

To be effective enforcement and investigation must be separate and apart from the nation state system.. it must be separately, and independently financed ( a fixed % of every nations budget delivered directly to the independent 2nd government which I have named "the audit government"), and it must have its own enforcement arm, operative inside of every nation state, with ful authority to investigate and observe anything any official or employee of government or of a government contractor does, and it must have its own penal system.
The Audit government should be authorized to govern all those who are the regular, already existing sitting government, it needs to hold its own elections and have its own charter and its authority needs to reach to all attachments to the operating regular government (like corporations, NGOs, contractors, Ambassadors, military and such).

Everything you write is reasonable in that it might prove effective. However, it is basically creating a One Ring World Government authority. But it will inevitably subverted before long, therefore I deem it an unwise choice.

But that has been the conundrum with the United Nations ab initio. Either there is a Single Authority sitting over all nation states or there is some sort of Round Table dynamic. Both can be corrupted.

Perhaps, once Israel and US refuse to abide by the UNSC resolution the United Nations General Assembly to rescind all prior resolutions about Israel going back to its founding and start over with an entirely new territorial configuration, the original one being ridiculous from the get-go. I doubt such a thing can happen, of course, but that would be one good way to start. They could also rescind the UNSC itself and start over. Clearly the current structure is not fit for purpose as the conflict in Israel since the 1940's demonstrates in spades, not to mention endless conflicts world wide decade after decade.

Otherwise we are left with two workable options in Palestine:

1. Israel succeeds in driving out all Palestinians and has their own contiguous, whole state. Cruel but effective.
2. Israel is forced to leave the area entirely. Just, but unlikely.

There is no context in which anything equitable and durable can be worked out with Israel-as-is given its deeply flawed (by design) foundations set up by the United Nations so long ago.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 24

librul | Mar 26 2024 15:58 utc | 20

"you protest the theft of your land and this is what you get."
I'm not justifying or excusing what Israel does re: arrests in the territories it occupies but there is a distinction in language. E.g. I would not consider the IDF soldiers Hamas captures to be "hostages", they are prisoners of war. As to the Israeli civilians it is hard to find any word other than "hostages", and Hamas admits as much. You can certainly argue that at least some of the prisoners / political prisoners Israel holds are in fact "hostages" but for that nomenclature to make sense you would need to show Israel uses them to obtain concessions from Palestinians, which they typically do not do. I would consider them "captives" rather than "prisoners" b/c they are not provided due process or, in many cases, even charged with a crime.

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:10 utc | 25

@Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 24

Agree. There is no solution that is workable if the colonists remain.

The Israeli state committed treachery and betrayal on Oct 7th,
causing the deaths of hundreds of it's own citizens. It
then went on to commit more theft and slaughter of Palestinians.
That such a state be allowed to continue would be a disgrace
to civilization.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 16:12 utc | 26

for that nomenclature to make sense you would need to show Israel uses them to obtain concessions from Palestinians, which they typically do not do.Posted by:

@CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:10 utc | 25

Totally disagree.

It is intimidation of Palestinians. You cannot use the less tame word of "concession".
They capture Palestinians and abuse them and jail them and sometimes kill them, not for nice 'concessions',
but for intimidation.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 16:16 utc | 27

The American UN ambassador had threatened more vetoes just a few days ago if future resolutions did not conform to US diplomatic priorities, which yesterday's passed resolution did not. So the abstention was a very sudden change in posture, which has prompted a furious response from Tel Aviv (foreign minister Katz blamed a "radical wing" of Democrat Party and blustered “there was a message, a no-good message, to anyone on Hamas’s side, that the US does not support Israel as much, and so we need to prove, militarily, that we will stand by our goals."

Katz' statement exposes Israel's problem: freeing hostages has not been the actual mandate here, and Israel has not yet achieved its strategic mission of destroying Hamas as a demonstration of national power. Coming up short on the mission puts Israel in a worse position regionally than it was on, say, October 6/23. However, continuing the military operation risks permanent "pariah" status which the Americans have no answer for. The geniuses in the State Dept apparently believe they have a Plan B.

Posted by: jayc | Mar 26 2024 16:18 utc | 28

Off Topic: I prefer "Joe Genocide", rather ,than, "Genocide Joe".

In either iteration there is an accent on 'Genocide" ; putting Joe first puts the emphasis on the three syllables to end the phrase which is more significant than Joe and it comes off the tongue easier.

My too cents

The last Emperor
Joe Genocide, lost, wanders from the light's glow,
Netanyahu commands, his words doth slow.
Adrenaline rushes, to wake him, they bestow,
Ice cream in hand, he ponders, a cease fire's flow.

For peace to reign, Joe's reign must cease,
A world in balance, his departure, peace's release.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 16:24 utc | 29

"One could argue that Israel arrested its prisoners based, at least loosely, on something they did, rather than simply to use as a negotiating pawn."

@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 15:51 utc | 16

Someone could argue that but they would by lying.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 16:25 utc | 30

It's de-facto still nothing more than a "pretty please".

Posted by: mspl | Mar 26 2024 16:46 utc | 31

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 16:16 utc | 27

It is intimidation of Palestinians. You cannot use the less tame word of "concession". They capture Palestinians and abuse them and jail them and sometimes kill them, not for nice 'concessions', but for intimidation.
All police forces rely on "intimidation". Prison is punishment. And the distinction I am trying to make is that Israel generally arrests Palestinians for doing something, be it throwing a rock or blocking a street or putting up anti-occupation posters. For example, the prisoners in Guantanemo were not called "hostages" either, for obvious reasons.

But, to the extent Israel interns Palestinian captives as a negotiating chip, those would be hostages. Maybe you can identify some of them for us?

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:51 utc | 32

Any UN pronouncements regarding the zionist genocide that do not promise the use of overwhelming violence against Israel and the United States for failure to comply with the demands will fall on deaf ears.

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Mar 26 2024 16:53 utc | 33

Thanks for the post b.

Who is going to make them do it — ceasefire enforcement that is?

I am still waiting to see the entity’s report to ICJ due on Jan 26th.
The entity had direct order to produce this. Where is it?

Also, looks like the empire is wising up that ICJ will rule genocide and the empire will be implicated for complicity.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 26 2024 16:56 utc | 34

The Israeli prisoners held by the Palestinian Government number roughly 150. Of these, maybe a dozen are arguably civilians. The other 130 prisioners are IDF or paramilitaries - hence POWs and NOT to be released under the UNSC

So approx . 25 Israeli prisoners and ~10,000 Arab hostages to be released as per UNSC. That’s now international law. <\b>

Posted by: Exile | Mar 26 2024 17:04 utc | 35

I'm not justifying or excusing what Israel does re: arrests in the territories it occupies but there is a distinction in language. E.g. I would not consider the IDF soldiers Hamas captures to be "hostages", they are prisoners of war.

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:10 utc | 25

No. The IDF are soldiers of an occupying power engaged in committing massive war crimes against civilians WHO HAVE NO STATE. There is no war, only genocide, and everything IDF is doing is illegal. IDF have NO protection under Geneva.

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 26 2024 17:05 utc | 36

ISIS-K/ISIS claims in their latest media communication that Russia is destroying mosques.

Izzrael is destroying mosques in Gaza but I have yet to see an attack on Izzraeli interests by ISIS...

One can tell who pulls their strings by the exceptions to the rule that are made.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 26 2024 17:05 utc | 37

Prison is punishment.

@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:51 utc | 33

Prison is deterrence, a form of negotiation.
"You do this, and you get that."

"You protest against anything we do, be it the bulldozing of ancient olive trees, the bulldozing of homes,
the theft of land, the murder of protestors or if we just feel like it,
then you get thrown in jail with no trial until we feel like killing you or letting you go."

This deterrence goes hand-in-hand with the theft of Palestine.

This is how Israel negotiates with Palestinians.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 17:06 utc | 38

"...2. Israel is forced to leave the area entirely. Just, but unlikely.

"There is no context in which anything equitable and durable can be worked out with Israel-as-is given its deeply flawed (by design) foundations set up by the United Nations so long ago..."

Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 24

Provided, as I think you mean, but do not make as clear as is necessary in an atmosphere in which Jews are constantly being warned that they (of all involved!) live on the edge of genocide, that a single state with freedom and democratic rights for all would imply "Israel" as self defined as an apartheid state would have to go.

There is no reason, provided that they learn to behave themselves, why the colonists should not be allowed to stay and build a new state hand in hand with their muslim and christian fellow Palestinians.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2024 17:09 utc | 39

"It's de-facto still nothing more than a "pretty please".

Posted by: mspl | Mar 26 2024 16:46 utc | 32

Agreed.

However, it's much more than 'pretty please': the UN vote gives nations a moral and political reason to boycott Israeli products.

Problem is the Anglo/Zionists control much of the commercial activity in the West they would be against enacting it and the US would probably sanction any country that boycotts Israel.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 17:11 utc | 40

the UN resolution us jusr words. Only a brute force can achieve something, as it has always been. Therefore this resolution is without any effect.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 26 2024 17:15 utc | 41

"I'm not justifying or excusing what Israel does re: arrests in the territories it occupies but there is a distinction in language. E.g. I would not consider the IDF soldiers Hamas captures to be "hostages", they are prisoners of war."

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 16:10 utc | 25

"No. The IDF are soldiers of an occupying power engaged in committing massive war crimes against civilians WHO HAVE NO STATE. There is no war, only genocide, and everything IDF is doing is illegal. IDF have NO protection under Geneva."

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 26 2024 17:05 utc | 37

Honzo is 100% correct!

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 17:16 utc | 42

Lebanese TV reports:


15:05 Israeli MKs vote to take six-week vacation, drawing protests from families of captives held in Gaza

Posted by: Exile | Mar 26 2024 17:17 utc | 43

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 26 2024 17:05 utc | 37

IDF have NO protection under Geneva.
Sure they do, even the invading army gets its protections. Article 4(1) protects "Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict" and 4(3) "Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power".

From a UN point of view, of course, the area around Gaza is part of the 1948 borders so "officially" (as far as the UN is concerned) Israeli territory (i.e. not "occupied" territory).

A related question is whether the convention applies at all, given Palestine is not a contracting power subject to the convention.

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 17:19 utc | 44

Some details on Negotiations between Palestinian and Israeli Governments

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/exclusive--negotiations-ongoing-despite-difficult-israeli-co

Posted by: Exile | Mar 26 2024 17:20 utc | 45

In London, near the Israel embassy; Amnesty Int'l activists have placed a street sign reading "GENOCIDE AVENUE"

Posted by: AI | Mar 26 2024 17:20 utc | 46

-B-

Not sure if that’s legally correct.
I heard the “actionable” wording is: “decides”… not “demands.”
From what I heard (no legal eagle here, just heard from a supposed legal eagle on YouTube (?) )…

I think “demands” falls under article 4 and “decides” falls under article 7.
I think this is a resolution, no one expects to be exercised by any one. Apart from the “ceasefire” , Hamas is also demanded to release all hostages “unconditionally”… yet they too are fooling around, so, next stop will be an ICJ referral & UNSC will have to firm up with an article 7 wording.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 26 2024 17:37 utc | 47

From a UN point of view, of course, the area around Gaza is part of the 1948 borders so "officially" (as far as the UN is concerned) Israeli territory (i.e. not "occupied" territory).

@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 17:19 utc | 45

Nope, check your mapz.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 17:44 utc | 48

While I would like to think otherwise, without a way to physically enforce UNSC demands it's just a lot of feel-good rhetoric. Unless the UN has a credible force of Blue Helmets who can roll in and maintain order while ensuring compliance, in the end it will mean nothing. Does anyone really think the likes of Israel is going to stand down and follow the UN's orders when it hasn't done so at all in the past 70-odd years? Israel is going to do what it wants to do- with the protection of the US- unless it is stripped of that protection and forced to toe the line. Considering Israel has achieved many of its goals already- displacement of the Gazans, destruction of property and infrastructure, and is already poised to bleed Gaza's offshore oil- it makes little difference what the UN says. As always with Israel, it's not what's legal or what's right that counts... it's the reality of facts on the ground that are what counts. So what if Gaza has no credible health care any longer? It serves Israel's interests for Gaza to not have health care, and that's the bottom line.

Posted by: John S | Mar 26 2024 17:46 utc | 49

"the invading army" (!?)

Gaza is one of the many ghettos within the Zionist entity

The Zionist entity is not a State because it does not recognize the population of the ghetos as Citizens.

The palestinians ghettos have autonomous administration as the Warsaw ghetto had.

It is a slaughter of subjugated population.

It is exactly the Romans crucifying rebellious slaves after the violent rebellion of Spartacus.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 26 2024 17:51 utc | 50

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 17:44 utc | 49

Nope, check your mapz.
I have, you haven't. And it's spelled maps.

Israeli 1947 Partition map (source page)
Oct. 7 battle map (source page)

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 17:52 utc | 51

@ canuck | Mar 26 2024 16:24 utc | 29

I assume it’s “Genocide Joe” because of the previous formulations “Sleepy Joe” and “Dementia Joe.”

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 26 2024 18:00 utc | 52

https://youtu.be/vbjz-BXq2VY?feature=shared

Great analysis of the Resolution by Craig Mokhiber, the UN Human Rights Chief who resigned.

Of course the Res is binding. The Ramadan ceasefire is not conditional on hostage release. The Res does not say ceasefire IF hostage release. It says ceasefire AND hostage release. The one is not dependent on the other.

The USA abstention is a bit of a double edged sword because it means this resolution can't be sent to UNGA under the Uniting for Peace method to come up with something with teeth.

Every day counts because Israel is on average killing 100/day and injuring 150 of course with no hospitals available and sosny medical staff dead or abducted.

He says all institutions have completely failed. And that they would never be sitting back like this if the genocide was being done by some African country.
However because half of the Axis of Genocide is on the security council, they're just teiddy their thumbs.

I liked the comment below the video that said permanent members should get a limited number of vetoes per year so they can't use throw them around like confetti.

Tbh, I don't know why NYT misrepresenting the resolution is news. NYT is the PR agency for the Israeli government no matter who is in power. And it is a conduit for the alphabet agencies to feed narratives to the public. NYT has no other purpose. Maybe restaurant reviews or something. And classified ads.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 18:04 utc | 53

@ canuck | Mar 26 2024 16:24 utc | 29

I assume it’s “Genocide Joe” because of the previous formulations “Sleepy Joe” and “Dementia Joe.”

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 26 2024 18:00 utc | 53

Yes, of course- I just think saying it backwards gives more meaning literally and orally.

And it looks like the ship has sailed on that one..

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 18:06 utc | 54

"There is no reason, provided that they learn to behave themselves, why the colonists should not be allowed to stay and build a new state hand in hand with their muslim and christian fellow Palestinians."

Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2024 17:09 utc | 40

In my opinion the Israelis have forfeited the right to stay after 6 months of brutality, starvation and genocide. Apparently, 90% of Israelis approve of the Gazan war so as far I am concerned they are Zionists and don't deserve a country; however, I would have an exemption for the Israelis that were pacifist Orthodox.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 18:11 utc | 55

1. What does it take for a UN Member State to be removed, either from UNSC or UNGA?

2. What would it take to give Palestine full membership immediately?

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 18:18 utc | 56

@Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 17:52 utc | 52

Gaza on Oct 7th was surrounded by occupied land,
even if you consider the UN *suggestion* for the borders for a future (1948) Zio state.

Look again at your mapz.

Posted by: librul | Mar 26 2024 18:21 utc | 57

India is arming its Israeli ally and supporting the Gaza Genocide with the delivery of Hermes 900 drones to the Zionist entity.

War on Gaza: Indian-made Israeli 'killer' drones set to make their way to Gaza
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-on-gaza-indian-made-israel-killer-hermes-drone-make-way

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 26 2024 18:27 utc | 58

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:03 utc | 2

Yes, 'calls for' and 'demands' are semantics if there is no framework for enforcement. B's faith in the UN is nostalgia at best, dangerously misguided at worst. This is the global geostrategic equivalent of what the financial sector calls 'price-correction': the value of a UNSC resolution is tested and found worth less than the paper it's written on.

One must meet contempt with even greater contempt. Israel will only stop when it is stopped. Ditto US and the UK. I really don't see it happening soon. Gaza will be condos and LNG platforms long before a UNSCR is enforced.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 26 2024 18:32 utc | 59

Not even shocked anymore. It is the world we live in. We've been Fed propaganda since the day we were born.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 26 2024 18:34 utc | 60

UN Rappateur presented 125 page evidence Report to Human Rights Council UN... that Israel is plausibly committing ehnocide against Palestinians...on three major counts.

al jazeera has extracts

Posted by: Jo | Mar 26 2024 18:36 utc | 61

Kushner has recently revealed his own vision of successful conclusion of the war for Israel in an interview on February 15th plus additional comments and it goes like this: the Gazans should be removed from their homes and those who are still alive and who have not been repatriated to other countries including Sinai in Egypt, might be allowed to reside in a suitable refugee camp style location in the Negev desert, inside southern Israel. How exactly they will survive in a desert is not clear as Israel has no excess water resources to “make the desert bloom” as the expression goes. As Kushner explains how “… getting civilians out of Rafah and potentially into Egypt, might be possible ‘with the right diplomacy,’” suggesting that he “would just bulldoze something in the Negev, I would try to move people in there,” adding “I know that won’t be the popular thing to do, but I think that’s a better option to do, so you can go in and finish the job.” In his comments Kushner also demonstrated that he is delusional, commenting that “I think Israel’s gone way more out of their way than a lot of other countries would, to try to protect civilians from casualties.” More to the point, one has to suspect that Kushner’s views might well reflect those of Trump, who has called on Israel to “finish it up [in Gaza] and do it quickly.” ...

[conclusion]
Finally, the suggestion that a lot of the thinking about whither Gaza is possibly being driven by money comes from the tale of the Ben Gurion Canal Project and the reports of multi-billion dollar oil and gas reserves offshore of Gaza in the Mediterranean Sea. The Ben Gurion project has long been mooted as a way to create an Israel controlled alternative to the existing Suez Canal. It would be a navigable canal connecting the Mediterranean and Red Sea that would run through Gaza and down Israel, ending at the Gulf of Aqaba near Eilat. The oil and gas reserves have been verified though they have been inaccessible as long as Gaza has been in Palestinian hands even though the Israelis control the waters, regularly shooting Palestinian fisherman who venture too far from shore. Both the energy resources and total control of a ship canal would be enormous economic assets for Israel. Putting all of that together with the Kushner plan and those business ventures by other Israelis one would be remiss if dismissing the possibility that future development in those areas is really all about money.

https://tinyurl.com/24mj7n4p (unz article)

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 18:43 utc | 62

UN charter says, quite directly, that member nations agree to obey decisions of the UNSC. (article 25)
However, when it comes to enforcement, it is effectively ad-hoc via further UNSC resolutions - subject to P5 veto.
So moot in practice.

But the action in the UN does indicate the US State Dept's attitude toward the matter, consistently taking the side of Israel. It continues to contradicts momentary blips where US officials like Schumer act as if they'might be aware that Israel is actually doing something wrong. Probably what's happening is they're just trying to get rid of Netanyahu, so that he doesn't help Trump.

Posted by: pxx | Mar 26 2024 18:45 utc | 63

Doesn't matter anyway as this is what happens eventually. It is all geopolitics. Never about democracy.

The EU plot to ensnare Switzerland

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/25/the-eu-plot-to-ensnare-switzerland/

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 26 2024 18:53 utc | 64

as usual B, the kind of professionnal journalism that we hope for and expect on this excellent informative website
thank you

Posted by: Animal | Mar 26 2024 18:53 utc | 65

Well, there you have it. Pepe reads the Moon. Referring to S’s posts in the other thread, in his SCF article, re MI6 angle.
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/03/26/the-nuland-budanov-tajik-crocus-connection/

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 26 2024 18:54 utc | 66

Courageous Albanese. She was presenting her report today to the SC (it is on the UN webtv)

https://english.ahram.org.eg/News/519971.aspx

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 26 2024 19:02 utc | 67

The sole internationally recognized borders of the Jewish State remain those described in UNR 181. Every subsequent boundary is defined under international law as a temporary ceasefire line.

Period.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 26 2024 19:04 utc | 68

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 26 2024 15:06 utc | 4

Where are you seeing the "detainee" language? Your comment @#4 in this thread is the only instance of the word "detainee" as it is not in the excerpt that b provided from the resolution.

The Security Council, ... ... 1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;

2. Emphasizes the urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance to and reinforce the protection of civilians in the entire Gaza Strip and reiterates its demand for the lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale, in line with international humanitarian law as well as resolutions 2712 (2023) and 2720 (2023); ...

Is very clear.

Your 'interpretation' is not the correct one:

1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;

The phrase "comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain..." is merely a follow-on which straightforwardly states that any one being detailed (i.e., the hostages, the only "detainees" even mentioned and the sole basis for that item) must be treated according to international law while they are "detained."

If the resolution makes a distinction elsewhere, perhaps you have a leg to stand on, but it most definitely is not doing so in the items quoted anywhere on this page (of MoA).

Granted, I'm with you on the notion that the US and Israel's interpretation is that it's a political and not legal (i.e., "international law") issue and that without any enforcement mechanism, Israel will simply ignore it and perhaps attempt to make a similar "legal" case to the way you have (mis) interpreted the above language.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:05 utc | 69

Hello b. I am still dealing with all of my comments being auto-flushed when using my work based VPN. Just had a long one in response to bill_wolfe flushed. I am not going to re-type it due to length.

The TL/DR version is that @bill_wolfe in comment #4 is interpreting the language of the resolution completely incorrectly. There is no distinction made between "hostages" and "detainees" and "persons they detail" is merely a reference to all hostages held, on either side. It means that while those persons are in the custody of each respective side, they must be treated according to international law.

*This comment typed from my other IP address.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:08 utc | 70

Sigh....

"persons they detaiN..." not "persons they detaiL"...

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:09 utc | 71

Tom,

I just had a comment flushed as well.
Maybe b can release it.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 26 2024 19:26 utc | 72

This allows Cameron to pose as a peacemaker sending essential supplies to Palestine and also allows Israel US cover too ignore it.

Next time Biden wins on a recount, he will be told that in his case a technical majority will not be
accepted because he opposed the majority at the UN.


Same when he faces justice in the Hague.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 26 2024 19:30 utc | 73

(Extrapolating on the post abbrev. below) Could the ROW re-start the UN, [in Mexico City?], and just not invite the US, Papua and Israel?! Is this in the horizon of possibilities?! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...the United Nations General Assembly... They could also rescind the UNSC itself and start over. Clearly the current structure is not fit for purpose as the conflict in Israel since the 1940's demonstrates in spades, not to mention endless conflicts world wide decade after decade.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 24

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Mar 26 2024 19:31 utc | 74

ISIS-K/ISIS claims in their latest media communication that Russia is destroying mosques.

Izzrael is destroying mosques in Gaza but I have yet to see an attack on Izzraeli interests by ISIS...

One can tell who pulls their strings by the exceptions to the rule that are made.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 26 2024 17:05 utc | 38

Excellent point.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 26 2024 19:38 utc | 75

I would post it here in its entirety but it's LOOOOOOOONG and I'm sure for that reason it would not be appreciated, but I highly recommend Mark Ames' Radio War Nerd report on the Crocus attack and ISIS-K.

He traces the group through numerous channels and countries. Of course the fact remains they are mainly hired mercs, usually trained by the USA, to carry out attacks on US "official enemies" and China.

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1772655427269861794

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:47 utc | 76

ISIS-K and China: https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7aqw/isis-anti-china-war-afghanistan

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:48 utc | 77

US Gulf ally in 2015 on bankrolling IS-K in Tajikistan to hurt Russia: "to bring pressure to bear on Russia and force it to withdraw its forces from Syria and stop its intervention there. […] This is the reason that we are giving funds to IS Khorasan."

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1772684136697729468

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:49 utc | 78

While it's true that the choice for words like "demanding" is meaningful, there is to my knowledge not a legal difference.
https://www.un.org/en/model-united-nations/drafting-resolutions

Sometimes the drafters of a resolution want to begin a clause with a word that contains more emotion. For example, “Calls upon” is stronger than “Requests” and “Urges” is considered to be even stronger. “Demands” expresses the highest level of emotion, but is rarely used

As for "legally binding", this is more complex as there is no ready mechanism to enforce the bind. Unless the resolution would call for specific methods or actions to do so. There is language available for this but still would depend on the willingness of large nations to use that authority in a way that does not override other international law. And laws cannot simply override each other without very specific provisions given.

Posted by: John Dowser | Mar 26 2024 20:05 utc | 79

just when Total was looking to exploit some fields in Mozambique, Isis showed up out the blue a few years ago

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 26 2024 20:14 utc | 80

Ukraine has been using ISIS/ISIL fighters since they began shelling civilian in Donbass in 2015.

https://theintercept.com/2015/02/26/midst-war-ukraine-becomes-gateway-europe-jihad/

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-728127

Perpetrators of Crocus attacks were caught trying to flee to Ukraine.

USA, which cannot solve JFK's murder 63 years later, immediately fingers the perps of the Crocus terror attack and absolves Ukraine.

M'kay. If you believe that last part, I've got a bridge in Arizona to sell you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 20:21 utc | 81

If only there was a legal document that countries of the world had signed that forbade genocide and legally obligated the signatories to stop a genocide, then all the countries with governments not usurped by jews could stop the Palestinians from being genocided right in front of the whole world’s eyes.

Oh wait…

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Mar 26 2024 20:23 utc | 82

1. What does it take for a UN Member State to be removed, either from UNSC or UNGA?

2. What would it take to give Palestine full membership immediately?

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 18:18 utc | 57

1. Shahid Bolsen at Middle Nation has been working to get US kicked out through Art.6

IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR
British Citizens and UK Residents:

We now have a petition set up on UK Goverment site.

This means we have 6 months to get 100K signatures - at which point UK government will debate the petition in Parliament.

Here it is:

*Petition seeking to expel USA from the UN using Article 6 of the UN Charter*

We believe the USA has persistently violated the principles of the UN Charter, both with and without its veto power, including by vetoing motions relating to Palestine, including calls for an immediate ceasefire.

*More details* :

We want the Government to raise our voices and invoke Article 6 – to seek to expel the USA from the United Nations.

Article 6 allows for any member of the UN to be expelled – even if they sit on the Security Council – for persistently violating the principles of the United Nations. Expulsion under Article 6 is decided by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

*We believe the UN is in need of fundamental reform so it can properly and fairly represent the nations of the world and ensure global justice, peace and friendly relations between all peoples including, but not limited to the people of Palestine. We think expelling the USA from the UN is the first necessary step in this process..*

At *10,000* signatures, government will respond to this petition

At *100,000* signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

Please sign and share this petition now!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/658417

Other countries' citizens could get petitions going too in their respective countries. Israel holds the world record for most resolutions violated.

2. 139/193 UN member states already recognise Palestine. But to be admitted, Security Council must back a request to be sent to General Assembly. That means 9 votes in favour and no vetoes at UNSC....

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 20:28 utc | 83

"Gulf Allies"

US Gulf ally in 2015 on bankrolling IS-K in Tajikistan to hurt Russia: "to bring pressure to bear on Russia and force it to withdraw its forces from Syria and stop its intervention there. […] This is the reason that we are giving funds to IS Khorasan."

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:49 utc | 78

Nader Hashemi
@naderalihashemi
On Arab dictators & Gaza

"Saudi Arabia last week pledged $40 million to Unrwa...But that compares with the $400 million in humanitarian aid for Ukraine that the kingdom announced in 2022."

https://twitter.com/naderalihashemi/status/1772670120994709753

Posted by: Menz | Mar 26 2024 20:56 utc | 84

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 16:02 utc | 24
thank you for pointing out a potential flaw
"it is basically creating a One Ring World Government authority. But it will inevitably subverted before long, therefore I deem it an unwise choice."

<=however I argue that trying this out can cause little harm, and because the audit government would be global, it would connect humanity in ways that are completely transparent to the nation state system, and because it would produce a system of auditors (made up of those who are not part of the traditional government), it will avoid subversion because its function will produce tensions between those who are the governors (traditional government) and those who are the governed (the audit government)sufficient to encourage those who are the governed [traditional government] to take a strong interest in the [audit government] and that interest would serve to educate the otherwise brain dead people governed by the traditional government.

It like a foot ball game.. people pick teams. Human interest and human needs pitted against commercial and political monopoly power..

Posted by: snake | Mar 26 2024 21:01 utc | 85

@Tom_Q_Collins 76, 77, 78

You are quoting social media types and secondary source journalists who latch onto stuff put out by the deep state / alphabet agencies without even understanding they're being used as tools. They pick up random soundbites here and there, tweet and make 30 minute podcasts with basically zero knowledge.

For example, "RadioWarnerd" is actually quoting Antonio Giustozzi.

Do you understand who Giustozzi is?

He is part of the network of deep state foreign policy narrative creators who create narratives for think tanks.

From here, the narratives are fed to the "upscale" papers like FT, NYT, WaPo etc.

From there it trickles into lowbrow popular MSM like VICE and also indy media who mostly have no qualifications to understand what is going on. These are just people who talk on social media who want to build their channels.

When CIS, MI6 etc. create, organize and set up AQ=ISIS etc.do you think they are going to say: this is our baby? Or do you think they are going to find someone to be the cover, someone who doesn't have the media clout to fight the narrative. They might shake down Gulf Countries for a little money but that's about it.

Do you really Gulf countries can run around challenging Empire in their own backyard? If they ran ISIS, they'd have used it to kick the USA out a decade ago!!!!

I once counted how many countries illiterate social media types had accused Gulf countries of funding covert ops in. It was most of Africa and Asia. They don't even know to distinguish. As if all 6 countries are a blob.That is the level of their ignorance.

Talk to any interpreter who has worked on CIA-ISIS assignments. It does not matter if it is USIS Abcdzxy, it is all US / UK / EU controlled.

The salaries paid are minimal. Most of it is funding to the MIC for arms. And 99.999% of what these mercenaries do is fighting the armies who resist and terrorising civilians in Asia and Africa for regime change.

The "beheading", suicides, false flags get all the attention but that is only theatre for the public to justify the wars. Now the US is saying it won't leave Iraq because "ISIS"....ISIS leaves when the US leaves. It's that simple.

Have you ever been to talks by these academics like Giustozzi etc? Most spin their narratives from their desks. They are given documents by the aplhabet agencies.

When Clinton refers to "clandestine" Gulf funding of "moderate rebels" in state department internal emails why does she use the word clandestine if it's clearly not clandestine to her and the department?

It's officespeak for "the rebels we fund but don't admit to funding" as anyone knows who has worked in government. Euphemisms for stuff you can't say openly.

Instead of tweeting "radiowarnerd", read the original books and you'll understand how the stories are written.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:02 utc | 86

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 26 2024 18:27 utc | 59

India is arming its Israeli ally and supporting the Gaza Genocide with the delivery of Hermes 900 drones to the Zionist entity.

------
Somewhat OT...
While the conventional 'defense' cooperation between India and Israel, particularly in the last two decades, is public domain stuff, one does wonder about secret 'nooclear' cooperation. It's easy to dismiss India as a poverty-ridden and fascist Hindu state with a population prone to believing in woo stuff, but there are signs of genuinely independent technological prowess taking very deep root... for one thing India seems pretty close to completing its 'Three stage nuclear program': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%27s_three-stage_nuclear_power_programme
Given India's proven reserves of Thorium, it is worth keeping an eye on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbtijm4SbQ
As far as this thread goes, the relevance is that the Israel-India strategic ties are pretty deep for some time now, especially in 'high-tech' areas, and so to expect India with its 'great power' aspirations to care about Palestinians over those involves a great leap of faith.

Posted by: dumbo | Mar 26 2024 21:15 utc | 87

Posted by: Menz | Mar 26 2024 20:56 utc | 84

All those houses, hospitals, schools, mosques destroyed in Gaza....where do you think they came from? Dropped from the sky?

Most of that stuff has been built by Gulf and other Muslim countries. Those are the big expenditures. And they have been rebuilt by Arabs every time Israel destroyed them in past bombings.

The reason Gulf countries are not major funders of UNRWA is because Israel controls every aspect of UNRWA down to what is written in the textbooks. I'm sure Gulf countries would happily take over all UNRWA funding....but then Israel would have to give up control.

There is a huge Hasbara industry devoted to Arab bashing right now to undermine the Palestinian cause.

So, the more such tweets that are disseminated out of context, the more it just plays into Israel's hands.

Let's be clear: Axis of Genocide supports Israel. But that's swept under the carpet.

You rarely see tweets talking about EU financing of West Bank settlements for example. Nor will you find tweets about how much infrastructure Arabs have funded in Gaza over the decades.

Why do you think that is?

All these stories about how much Saudi loves Israel....they all come from Israeli media.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231202-israeli-strike-destroys-prestige-qatar-funded-gaza-complex

I've never heard one word in six months about what Arabs have done for Palestine but that's part of the strategy: deflect blame from Axis of Genocide that supports Israel.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:16 utc | 88

@Tom_Q_Collins

For example with the "ISIS-K" Kerman bombing in Iran which the US warned Iran about .... Iranian sources think briefcase bombs were used. There is no sure evidence it was a suicide attack. It was basically your usual NATO terrorist attack.

The gullible Western public has been taught to believe in the fantastical figure of the "jihadi" who blows himself up shouting Allahu Akbar believing he'll go to paradise. They believe there is an endless supply of such nutjob jihadis when in fact the only nutjobs are the people who believe this fairy tale.

Suicide bombings are few and far between. Hamas did them in the early days before they had become a guerilla army, out of desperation I suppose. But there were never more than a few a year. Keeping in mind that those suicide bombers were usually those whose own loved ones had been killed by Israel and had nothing left to live for.

Most people, especially ISIS mercenaries just want to do the minimum necessary to stay alive and collect their paychecks.

As for Crocus, Scott Ritter was talking about how CIA, Ukraine were training 5,000 Russian nationalists to attack Belgorod and Kursk. I'm pretty sure the Crocus attack was done by Russian nationalists / ex Wagner which is why Putin is so rattled and why he authorized such brutal torture videos to be released which had totally made Russia look like a banana republic. Don't forget the Wagner coup. There's a lot of power struggle stuff happening in Russia.

The original APB put out by Russia was for 4 Tajiks ....the problem being that 3/4 wre alive and well in Tajikistan and Samara.

So they quickly rounded up another 4 random ones who had nothing to do with the original 4. You can clearly see there's no fire in the theatre nor are the shooters doing anything arson-related. Yet a huge fire breaks out on the roof, not in the theatre.

Russian media has clearly stated they were only in the hall for 10 minutes. 2.5 hours later they were picked up in Khatsun...390 km away....the narrative has more holes than Swiss cheese. If the narrative is true, then those 4 are not the culprits. If those 4 are the culprits of the shooting then the narrative is false.

Most people condemn Zionist torture of Palestinians. Torture is to be condemned unequivocally unless you're a barbaric savage.

It's shocking to find so many barflies cheering on torture of Muslims in the other thread. And accepting "confessions" extracted through torture at face value. That was certainly a double standard that revealed itself.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:45 utc | 89

UNSC Resolutions are International Law.

Like Res # 2202 (Minsk), which the US, France, Germany, and Ukraine simply ignored as though it were an anonymous Valentine card.

Posted by: Webej | Mar 26 2024 21:59 utc | 90

"It's shocking to find so many barflies cheering on torture of Muslims in the other thread. And accepting "confessions" extracted through torture at face value. That was certainly a double standard that revealed itself."

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:45 utc | 89

Agreed

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 22:25 utc | 91

""Saudi Arabia last week pledged $40 million to Unrwa...But that compares with the $400 million in humanitarian aid for Ukraine that the kingdom announced in 2022."

https://twitter.com/naderalihashemi/status/1772670120994709753"

Posted by: Menz | Mar 26 2024 20:56 utc | 84

Well Ukraine at the time listed around 32MM people, so that would be $12.50 per capita; 2MM Gazans would be $20 per capita.

So I wouldn't to be so hasty condemning the Kingdom as its really works the other way

Posted by: canuck | Mar 26 2024 22:30 utc | 92

2. 139/193 UN member states already recognise Palestine. But to be admitted, Security Council must back a request to be sent to General Assembly. That means 9 votes in favour and no vetoes at UNSC....

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 20:28 utc | 83
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Thank you for that whole post. Mechanisms exist within the Charter.

Though based on your summary, perhaps there is no mechanism whereby the UNSC can be vernichted by the UNGA or a member lose their seat therein? If not, it is pretty much gridlocked. That five nation veto power is a huge stumbling block.

The only viable path, it seems, is US regime change to be effected by collapse from within whilst external kinetics are generally contained or check-mated.

With all three major candidates staunch Zionazis, there's a long way to go. The West's sense of supremacy comes from the Zionist god Yahweh which trumps all lower level laws or treaties. Ab initio this God marries transcendent authority with crude materialism (the essential definition of the demonic, aka Satan).

How to exorcise the demonic from the world order? I suspect this can only come from within, from change of heart, not external material force.

That said, absent internal collapse of the AngloZionist matrix ideally engendering such change of heart by forcing renunciation of the Supremacist imperative from the Biblical mindset, World War is a-coming, indeed already underway, making that accident in Maryland most likely the beginning of more kinetics coming to the US homeland...

Dragon Year.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 26 2024 22:32 utc | 93

A recent study issued by the Turkish Statistical Institute and reported by Quds News Network has unveiled a catalogue of Turkish arms exports sent to Israel throughout the Gaza genocide.

Among the items listed were explosive materials, ammunition, weaponry, spare parts, flammable substances, and various other commodities.

Posted by: Jo | Mar 26 2024 22:35 utc | 94

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:45 utc | 89

The clothes of two of the individuals apprehended match those of two of the terrorists in the videos of the attack at Crocus City Hall.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 26 2024 22:36 utc | 95

I have noted the Olympic committee has pushed back on banning Israel so far. Wondering at what point they have to cave to demands . If provisional rulings of genocide don't count , does this latest resolution cross the threshold. So looking forward to seeing Israel banned from international sports and shunned at that level . The very least it deserves.

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 26 2024 22:37 utc | 96

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:02 utc | 86

You protest too much. Ames is a long-time resident of post-USSR Russia, speaks the language and has sources there. The fires (your subsequent post) are very explainable. He's talked to witnesses.

How ridiculous is your claim that they randomly picked up 4 Tajiks heading to Ukraine but they were traveling in the exact same car observed in Moscow and then attempted to flee on foot through snow covered forest? Preposterous wild speculation that these are somehow convenient patsies. Utterly fantastical.

That said, what of Guistozzi? I don't know much about him. Specifically point me to sources that verify your allegations and/or describe what's flawed in his reporting from his book that was published many years ago. Thanks in advance.

Nobody is celebrating or approving of torture, and no specific allegations of torture have come from within Russia. You already somewhat discredited yourself with the hyperbolic language in the other thread as you stated they were "half dead" or something to that effect. Yes, they were obviously beaten by their original captors, and one or two of them took it way too far. I could show you post-arrest photos of MY OWN FRIENDS in the USA who look WORSE (save for no missing ear parts) who were abused by police here. To say nothing of what an angry cop or soldier might do to a suspected mass shooter. Again, you protest WAY too much and you make accusations and allegations (including on Ames' reporting) without providing anything of substance to potentially sway the minds of those of us here reading your comments.

Please do better.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 22:56 utc | 97

Posted by: Pq | Mar 26 2024 21:45 utc | 89

Further, I have specifically taken pains myself to point to the "convenience" factor in having hired "Islamist" actors to carry out the act, insofar as it benefits not just US and Israeli narratives (and distracts from their ongoing crimes), but also Russian ones. The use of Islamophobia is to be condemned whoever does it, but in this case Russia was merely pointing out that it happens to have been so-called Islamists that the CIA/GRU/MI6/Mossad or whoever hired to commit this brutal act.

I think we agree that these guys were hired mercenaries acting not in the interest of any religious war or belief, but for money, and likely even some quasi-religious ideological beliefs that led them to travel to Ukraine in the first place, as Ames and many other sources have pointed out has been happening since 2015, with video, photos and statements to prove it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 23:00 utc | 98

"The original APB put out by Russia was for 4 Tajiks ....the problem being that 3/4 wre alive and well in Tajikistan and Samara."

Perfect example of a statement with zero backing sources provided and hypocritically offered as proof of some other conspiracy at work. Do you have anything for that? Show us your citations.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 23:02 utc | 99

Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 26 2024 19:48 utc | 77

ISIS-K and China: https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7aqw/isis-anti-china-war-afghanistan
I always knew ISIS was a US-created abomination that did the ZioNazis' bidding, but they make it too obvious here. Well, not too obvious for the average CNN/NPR/MSNBC/CBS/ABC/NBC/Fox/etc.-watching zombie, nothing is too obvious for them ....

Posted by: CalDre | Mar 26 2024 23:29 utc | 100

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