Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 9, 2024
Israel ‘Coerces’ UN Workers – By Outright Torturing Them

Every time one thinks that the depravity of Zionist fanatics has finally reached a limit they will proudly present even worse behavior.

UNRWA report says Israel coerced some agency employees to falsely admit Hamas linksReuters, Mar 9 2024

The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said some employees released into Gaza from Israeli detention reported having been pressured by Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 attacks.

Coerced, pressured, … Maybe they had a harsh talk?

No. They outright tortured, Abu Graibh like, these UN workers. Some of them to their death:

The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members.

In addition to the alleged abuse endured by UNRWA staff members, Palestinian detainees more broadly described allegations of abuse, including beatings, humiliation, threats, dog attacks, sexual violence, and deaths of detainees denied medical treatment, the UNRWA report said.

Reuters could not independently confirm the accounts of coercion of UNRWA staff and mistreatment of detainees, although the allegations of ill-treatment accord with descriptions by Palestinians freed from detention in December, February and March reported by Reuters and other news media.

Remi Brulin @RBrulin – 0:44 UTC · Mar 9, 2024

“We tortured some folks” is pretty bad

“We tortured some folk so we could destroy a huge relief organization that’s indispensable in dealing with a huge humanitarian crisis that we created in the first place” is…. something else

What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?

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@Siddartha
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Sorry for repeated posts, but what a burst of fresh air, Siddartha! I appreciate your post and perspective! You are so right!

Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 4:41 utc | 202

Posted by: snake | Mar 10 2024 4:01 utc | 198
Thanks!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 4:41 utc | 203

Wake up, please. Trump is the other cheek on the same ZIONIST
ass!
Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 3:48 utc | 196
I don’t think he is. I hope you are wrong mate. Trump is our last hope of a peaceful and legal outcome.
If he is a fraud. Then load your magazines and sling your rifle. War is afoot.
And if so. Bring it the fuck on. I’ve been sent abroad to fight wars for the last 30 years on the other side of the world against people whom I truly have no quarrel with.
Oh I will gladly shed blood on my own soil to protect my own land and my own people and my own culture. All that I’ve learned and experienced and wrought upon the Muslims in war. A horrible indiscretion that I will never live down.
I will turn that experience and rage upon the true enemy. My own goddamn government.
Let us hope Trump is elected and can legally resolve this shitshow.
If me and the animals like me have to take back the Country. Well it ain’t gonna be pretty. It’s gonna be a bloodbath.
You better goddam pray to God that Trump gets elected and this shit gets legally resolved.

Posted by: RLTW | Mar 10 2024 4:41 utc | 204

Posted by: RLTW | Mar 10 2024 4:41 utc | 204
Dude you’re dead wrong.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240306-trump-calls-on-israel-to-finish-the-problem-in-gaza-suggesting-intensification-of-genocide/
I mean come on. Even if they’re taking his comment SLIGHTLY out of context (i.e., Hamas vs. all Gazans) – which they aren’t, since Trump and his supporters on the topic of Hamas agree with Nutty Yahoo that ALL GAZANs “voted for” or “chose” Hamas as their leaders – Do you remember nothing about his policies while in the White House?
Abraham Accords? Fake and meaningless for the Palestinians.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem? The whole Al Aqsa flood operation was in large part a response to the actions that ensued directly from that.
Killing Soleimani? Done to appease Zionists in his cabinet and his Zionist support network.
Trump will be as bad as Biden. There is no question other than whether there is a Gaza left to do anything about by the time he takes office in January of 2025.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 5:10 utc | 205

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 5:10 utc | 205
Toms right. He’s an incorrigible ziophile.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 10 2024 5:21 utc | 206

I believe that destroying UNRWA also has negative effects on the “Right of Return”. Can anybody verify that?
Posted by: John | Mar 9 2024 23:48 utc | 145
from https://www.unrwa.org/what-we-do/relief-and-social-services/unrwa-registered-population-dashboard:
“Since its inception, UNRWA has stored millions of records of registered Palestine refugees and other persons of concern. The registration records constitute the master database of the Agency …”
UNRWA has the original census registry of refugees and which villages they came from, and has updated it through the years. So yes, destroying UNRWA could definitely cloud the origins of current refugees, especially when combined with the chaos of the last five months.

Posted by: ChrisB | Mar 10 2024 6:21 utc | 207

This threads have pretty much lost their porpoise. By now we all know the sionazi gang is capable of the most deplorable actions. We cannot label any barbarity by them as “news”

Posted by: Mariátegui | Mar 10 2024 6:30 utc | 208

meanwhile back at the Ranch
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1766647461400195396
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
Michael Brenner, Professor of International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, nails it:
“Western leaders are experiencing two stunning events: defeat in Ukraine, genocide in Palestine. The first is humiliating, the other shameful. Yet, they feel no humiliation or shame. Their actions show vividly that those sentiments are alien to them – unable to penetrate the entrenched barriers of dogma, arrogance and deep-seated insecurities. The last are personal as well as political. Therein lies a puzzle.
For, as a consequence, the West has set itself on a path of collective suicide. Moral suicide in Gaza; diplomatic suicide – the foundations laid in Europe, the Middle East and across Eurasia; economic suicide – the dollar-based global financial system jeopardized, Europe deindustrializing. It is not a pretty picture.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 10 2024 6:55 utc | 209

Liberal individualism wants a heroic individual who owes no obligation to other humans, and for whom there is no link, known or otherwise, between himself and his historical situation.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 4:08 utc | 199
Brilliant insight.
It not only wants it but it actively uses its tremendous governmental power to generate precisely this hopeless alienated and perverse consciousness.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 10 2024 7:00 utc | 210

…the most revolutionary act is to recognize that programing in oneself and change the default setting. There is no revolution without philosophy!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 10 2024 7:01 utc | 211

OK, I give up.
Bidens pier is for expulsion.
Biden mentioned tents more than once.
The EU lady, von der layen is going to Cyprus to “support” the pier project, ie a refugee processing centre to scatter the Gazans.
Israel doubles-down on going into Raffah, herding them onto the beach into USAID tents for trickle transfer to Cyprus.
Several incursions in Lebanon, active UK watch-towers on the Syrian-Lebanese border etc. Looks like even the Axis-of-Resistance has been out-manoevred.

Posted by: Rain | Mar 10 2024 7:06 utc | 212

..but aljazeera reported that Hamas welcomed the pier idea.
They got a share in the gasfield?

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 10 2024 7:11 utc | 213

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 10 2024 7:00 utc | 210
Thanks mi amico. No doubt you, like myself, enjoy the work of Steven Lukes. His Individualism of 1973 is a real education. He traces this heroic figure primarily to Rousseau.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 7:17 utc | 214

What are we supposed to do? We are doing it, sadly. Even the sensible response is perceived uncertain and a general grey area is our instinct. Majority in enticed to look away and spike theie own lying eyes and ears. This brings me back to thinking about Bushnell. Man, in his prime, knowing that what his government and country is doing in completely wrong, but a society, a people, a cultural message that was telling him “keep quiet! You crazy, fuck!” He must have felt the suffocation and pressure any person of honesty feels now.

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Mar 10 2024 7:55 utc | 215

Ah, but what is ‘right action’ when what must be done is to stop ‘wrong action’? Or must it be done at all? The triumph of evil is when good does nothing, ergo ‘wrong action’. Catch-22.
Perhaps there is a time for all things and the world far greater than mere well-meaning philosophies? Perhaps it is our obsession on labeling that holds us back from doing ‘right action’? Perhaps East and West met and realized their best intentions always fell apart and lands South. No, too ambitious, humanity aloft in its powers rarely has the humility to embrace guilt, shame, and failure.
😉 Maybe one more turn of the wheel will make things clear…
/cheep

Posted by: titmouse | Mar 10 2024 8:02 utc | 216

Next up will be a naval base for carriers and airbase housing B52 to deter ISIS from attacking innocent civilians.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240310/us-sends-1st-ship-with-equipment-to-build-temporary-pier-to-deliver-aid-to-gaza-1117238201.html

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 10 2024 8:13 utc | 217

In this upcoming presidential election being held in the exceptional USA, it doesn’t matter whether Trump or Biden is the “winner”; the end result will be Americans lose and Israel wins and Palestinians will continue to die en masse.

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:18 utc | 218

There ya go, everyone’s favorite lady:
Ambassador Victoria Nuland Will Join SIPA Faculty
Ambassador Victoria Nuland, a US diplomat for more than three decades who served as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs for the last three years, and as Acting Deputy Secretary of State from July 2023 to February 2024, will join SIPA as the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Professor in the Practice of International Diplomacy effective July 1.
Nuland will also direct SIPA’s International Fellows Program, which provides an interdisciplinary forum for Columbia University graduate students to study international problems. Lastly, she will be a member of the Institute of Global Politics’ affiliated faculty, which comprises selected scholars and practitioners who work on research projects to advance IGP’s mission.
https://www.sipa.columbia.edu/news/ambassador-victoria-nuland-will-join-sipa-faculty

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:26 utc | 219

These are the same things the Judeo-Bolsheviks did. As I wrote years ago: “Lies as a system, slander as a practice, inversion as a method. Once you understand them you are never wrong.” And the inversion is the same today as it was then: the women raped by Hamas, the children thrown into the oven and the 40 children beheaded by Hamas. All lies, as usual, torture and atrocities are made by themselves and then they accuse others of having committed them. The same with Nazism 80 years ago, nothing new, but the people are ignorant, stupid, gullible and completely brainwashed, always by them and their associates.

Posted by: Cumino | Mar 10 2024 8:30 utc | 220

ChrisB @ 207:
Destroying the history of pre-Zionist Palestine in UNRWA’s archived census registry and its updates is exactly what Israel aims at, among other things. This is an erasure of history to make Palestine appear as though there never were any original Palestinians before the Zionists arrived in the late 1800s.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 10 2024 8:33 utc | 221

Trita Parsi
@tparsi
Ever since Sweden applied to join NATO, it has begun behaving in unrecognizable ways. It has now been revealed that it has signed a shadowy 11.7bn SEK arms deal with a “secret” country.
In a country known for its transparency, the Swedish authorities refuse to name the country buying this record amount of Swedish weapons.
Some suspect that Israel is the secret country and that the Swedish gov does not want its own public to know that it is arming Israel in the midst of the Gaza massacres.
https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/1766564335793361269

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:38 utc | 222

@Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:26 utc | 219
Does that mean the Kooky Cookie Monster has been sentenced to political Siberia, or placed in a cybergenic holding cell, or what? And July 1?

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:42 utc | 223

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:42 utc | 223
The first of a number of cushy titles that will keep her in the money.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:48 utc | 224

@Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:38 utc | 222
Stieg Larsson, Sven Olof Joachim Palme.

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:48 utc | 225

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:26 utc | 219
That’s dreadful. Nuland has no qualifications to be a professor. She’s described in the announcement as:
“A speaker of Russian and French, Nuland earned a BA from Brown University.”
I suspect the last expression was intended as a subtle dig, to point out to everyone that she’s unqualified. That these days you don’t need qualifications, if your politics suit. Condoleeza Rice at Stanford, on the other hand, does have a doctorate, and has successfully pursued a career at Stanford.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 10 2024 8:51 utc | 226

@Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:38 utc | 222
Why Is Sweden Shifting Towards Right-wing Israel
https://archive.is/uajki
Top Members of Far-right Swedish Party With neo-Nazi Roots Meet Israeli Minister in Knesset
https://archive.is/0frbs

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:59 utc | 227

Re: Real Estate Records:
Destroying the UNRWA paper land records doesn’t solve the UNR 194 challenge for the Likud. One can bet copies of the land registry exist in plenty of places.
Here are 2 examples hosting unofficial records of the legal title;
https://www.plands.org/en/maps-atlases
https://cigacriticalvoices.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/The-book-1983.pdf

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 9:01 utc | 228

1,000 usa soldiers to build a pier. That’s the number of boots being spoken by multile sources. This isn’t a security detail for a few days engineers watch the wire and how much space they take. You can be sure the humanitarian cover will evaporate rapidly and the deportations start. A Katrina hurricane like situation. Sign a document you won’t be critical of Israel to receive aid. If they’d that to usa citizens imagine what they will impose upon gazans

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 10 2024 9:14 utc | 229

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 10 2024 8:51 utc | 226
She’s obviously getting a reward for being “a good girl”. A check of the major university donors may shed some light.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 9:27 utc | 230

Posted by: majoab | Mar 10 2024 8:59 utc | 227
Thanks for the links.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 9:28 utc | 231

Jane @ 95
Hit a nerve there, did I?

The language of “letting the Germans off the hook” says it all.
That obnoxious assumption of superiority to the Germans.
Who are you to judge the Germans? Who are you to wield that “hook”?

Just so you know, I am a German deeply ashamed for my country.
I do not like to see those holocaust denial claims or those that say the Jews and others deserved it. I am not a fan of supremacists and their designs ever. Born to a mother who came from Pomerania at 2 years old the horrors of war don’t seem to distant personally.

My question to you, Sir SOS:
What are you doing to stop the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinians by your own govt?
Aside from commenting here.

My first duty is not to participate. My second duty is to resist propaganda and set facts straight against propaganda and try to seek the truth.
It’s quite a challenge to just deprogram and challenge the assumptions of my friends and relatives right now.
I am losing “friends” over this already. I am wearing symbols that carry crime charges in Germany.
No real sacrifice, I admit to my own shame.. I carry the sadness Brecht expressed, ich lebe in finsteren Zeiten.
What options do I have?
Within the system I can protest or vote: not much I could do to affect our politicians it seems. Not a big fan of Germany’s organized left but that’s where my votes go.
Outside the system? Things would get illegal really quick.
Now that you asked, what are you doing aside from commenting here?

Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 9:50 utc | 232

Must read
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/trust-in-institutions-and-the-war-dividend/

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 10 2024 10:03 utc | 233

town of Safed, August 17, 2023. (David Cohen/FLASH90)
Chief Sephardic Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef threatens that ultra-Orthodox Jews will leave Israel en masse if the government ends exemptions of mandatory military enlistment enjoyed by the community.
“If you force us to go to the army, we’ll all move abroad,” Yosef says during a weekly lecture.
So that would be basically another 15% of Israel’s population exiting

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 10 2024 10:27 utc | 234

227 moab. Sweden announces a huge arms deal 1.7 billion, but refuses to say the country that purchases it. Most likely Israel.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/undisclosed-country-receives-nod-to-buy-weapons-from-sweden-for-175-billion-report/3160527

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 10 2024 10:31 utc | 235

Exile | Mar 10 2024 9:01 utc | 228
As far as I remember the original official Palestinian land registry was seized around the time of Arafat, from records held in Ramallah (? not too sure of place). Effectively stopping reclamations and claims on land and sites, including those of the 420 villages destroyed by the Nakba.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 10 2024 10:50 utc | 236

Hankster @ 234
I so hope this happens, that’s a large share of zionist Likud voters and settlers.

Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 11:07 utc | 237

I believe that destroying UNRWA also has negative effects on the “Right of Return”. Can anybody verify that?
Posted by: John | Mar 9 2024 23:48 utc | 145
UNRWA is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to UN 194 Right of Return. This is THE reason Israel is trying to get it shut down. Refugees under the care of UNHCR are refugees who do not necessarily want to go back to the war or poverty they fled. Maybe some do, but many do not. This is the fundamental difference. UNRWA is the protector of UN 194 right to return. Palestinians in UNRWA schools are taught about their rights and UN 194 which of course according to Israeli is “teaching terrorism”.
Registered refugees under UNRWA are Palestinians in Gaza, WB, EJ, Syria, Leb, Jordan. These are all Palestinians who have a right of return under UN res 194 (or compensation if they choose not to). This is an established right under international law, it cannot be given away by any political process. Even if that’s what Israel tried to do in Oslo.
The whole talk of one state / two state is a distraction and red herring. The FIRST thing that needs to be done is implement the right of return. Implementing UN 194 means half of Gaza can simply walk over to the villages they or their parents came from in southern “Israel”. This will shift the demographic balance, give the right to vote to Gazans and we can watch the apartheid regime in Israel go kaboom to be replaced with equal laws for all.

This video is required watching for anyone who wants to understand right of return and how important it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7b6lW4cNQQ
Nakba survivor Dr. Salman Abu Sitta to discuss his personal journey after 1948, the relative simplicity of implementing UN resolution 194 for Palestinians to return to their lands, and his high hopes for younger generations.
Dr. Abu Sitta is the force behind https://www.plands.org/en/home
This site has mapped out all the places from which Palestinians were displaced and proposes a framework for how they could return. Most Zionists are concentrated in urban centres like Haifa, Tel Aviv. A small number of settlers occupy the kibbutz in the north and south.
(The settlements in WB and EJ are all occupied by American criminals basically, are illegal and they need to be evicted. As per ICJ hearings on the illegality of the occupation. It’s the only point on which there is consensus between the Axis of Genocide (Europe, North America) and the Global South. It’s the one bone that the Axis of Genocide is throwing to Palestinians).
This is the most important point and yet it is rarely discussed in the pro Palestine indy media social media in English. I have not heard the Sachs, Finklestein’s and Mearsheimer’s of this world talk about it ever.
It’s not a coincidence that most of the famous experts on the “alternative circuit”, including people like Al Crook never talk about right of return but instead throw in some civilization clash nonsense. There are so many Palestinian historians and experts who can speak for themselves but you do not hear their voices on the most popular “indy media”. I’ve been seeking them out but also asking myself why do we have so much hand wringing about genocide from the Holy Trinity of Sachs, Mearsheimer and Finklestein but nary a word about UN 194?
Implementing right of return which dates back to December 1948 ends Zionism in the most reasonable and immediate way. Several countries brought it up at the ICJ hearings on the occupation.
Even if only 2-3 million refugees registered under UNRWA move back to where their ancestors are from, bye bye apartheid Zionism.
ps: I don’t know why Israel torturing UNRWA employees is news. It was right there in the Axios news story on Jan 26, that the confessions were obtained through Shin Bet interrogations.

Posted by: pq | Mar 10 2024 11:36 utc | 238

Re: Real Estate Records:
Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 9:01 ut
Turkey, as the successor state to the ottoman empire, holds the authoritative land deeds and records for mandate Palestine.
They can destroy UNRWA, the UN and all the other Anglo run institutions but unless they destroyed the Turkish state archives the right of return will be supported by a mass of original documentation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 11:49 utc | 239

ps: I don’t know why Israel torturing UNRWA employees is news. It was right there in the Axios news story on Jan 26, that the confessions were obtained through Shin Bet interrogations.
Posted by: pq | Mar 10 2024 11:36 utc | 238
This should have been obvious from the very start.
‘Confessions’ obtained under military captivity hold no legal evidentiary value in most Western states.
Yet it was the Western states who were most eager to accept it without question.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 11:53 utc | 240

Israel’s ultra Orthodox Jews can’t actually all leave. They live in Israel off of an infrastructure of state subsidies to study Scripture all day and have an average of six children each and never develop marketable skills, they won’t find those privileges in any other country.
I’m sure a few could move to the US or Canada, but not 1 million of them.

Posted by: Afro | Mar 10 2024 11:54 utc | 241

She’s obviously getting a reward for being “a good girl”. A check of the major university donors may shed some light.
Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 9:27 utc | 230
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Columbia is kind of a Jewish outpost.
NYC’s Ivy League.
I would love to know who financed the School of International and Public Affairs. One of the donors was Arnold Saltzman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_A._Saltzman
The current dean of the Saltzman Institute is this person:
“Keren Yarhi-Milo grew up in Israel, where she served as an intelligence officer while completing mandatory military service.[13] She lives on the Upper West Side in Manhattan, NY with her husband and two sons.”
Maybe Saltzman founded the Institute of War and Peace to further the Zionist project.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 12:13 utc | 242

Re: UNR 194:
The key language in 194:

refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 12:14 utc | 243

Haredim, not Arabs or Iran, are the biggest threat to Israel
By DAN PERRY Published: JULY 5, 2021

the haredim cling to a rigid interpretation of Judaism which tolerates little deviation from ancient traditions. They can be found in the US, Belgium, Britain and elsewhere, always forming tight-knit communities, but only in Israel is there a toxic firewall between them and fellow citizens.
This can be traced to the decision some 70 years ago by David Ben-Gurion to grant draft exemptions to students at yeshivot. Back then this applied to several hundred genuine scholars.
This arrangement turned Torah study into an arguably unprecedented obsession in which all haredi men are pushed to lifelong seminary duty, first to avoid the draft and then essentially as a source of welfare. Whereas other university students pay tuition, haredim receive stipends for as long as they study, if possible for life.
Over 150,000 men now in these schools are indoctrinated in the faith that stricture and rabbis supersede the laws and officials of the state.
To maintain the insularity, most haredi high schoolers are sent to the community’s schools that teach little or no math, science and English; in recent days Israel’s chief rabbi, who is haredi, called such studies of secular subjects “nonsense.” Israel funds these schools even though their unfortunate graduates are essentially unemployable in a modern economy.

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968#google_vignette

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 12:21 utc | 244

…. Columbia is kind of a Jewish outpost.
NYC’s Ivy League……
The entire Ivy League is fully Jewish these days. Roughly 40% of undergrads are ethnic Jewish ( as calculated by Jewish Harvard grad Ron Unz)

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 12:23 utc | 245

re: Menz | Mar 10 2024 8:26 utc | 219 etc
Will noodlebooger’s professorship come with a bodyguard? – oh what a body to guard.
And pertaining to academics, sometimes from his writings, Prof Patro does present as a wanker.

Posted by: Ново З | Mar 10 2024 12:40 utc | 246

The impunity with which the Zionazis demented conscripted stormtroopers beastiality is breathtaking.
It’s as if the Europeans and 5 eyes of the time were happy to sit, cheer, and applaud the Nazis of Germany as they brutally blitz krieged across Poland and Russia. Sieged the ghettoes and cities of Leningrad and Stalingrad aiming to destroy all the people living there.
“ Israel Defense Forces continue destroying Palestine
https://t.me/militarywave/9768
Coke friendly FAB’s and cleanse them by fire – the monsters who sing dance and eat while they destroy natives of the land they desire.
Aaron showed the way.
Pack your bags Zionazis and leave while you can with some planning or you will leave carrying only what you can in two cases and your body.
You will never keep it from the River to the Sea Palestine will always be.
The motherless children will never let us forget that we sat and watched in high definition as the murderous fascists ran riot in the Levant as we stood by and cheered them on.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 10 2024 12:44 utc | 247

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-791086
It’s extremely rare that any nation gets such a wonderful opportunity – to get rid of shirkers and welfare dependent bums. Israel may be blessed, indeed.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 10 2024 12:47 utc | 248

…. Columbia is kind of a Jewish outpost.
NYC’s Ivy League……
The entire Ivy League is fully Jewish these days. Roughly 40% of undergrads are ethnic Jewish ( as calculated by Jewish Harvard grad Ron Unz)
Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 12:23 utc | 245
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You are right, in a way. But I think I am also right, in another way.
I believe that Columbia has always reflected the prominent role of Jews in both the NYC demographic and also its power elite. Thus, many of the top students in local high-quality public school systems and private schools have aimed for attending Columbia. (Actually, I think that all of the Ivy League colleges have traditionally had a strong local component in addition to their obvious high national and international standing, esp. at the graduate level.)
That is IMO different from the more recent surge of Jewish power at Harvard, as tracked by Ron Unz and as is noticeable to anyone who pays attention to Harvard’s operations. But in a way it is related to my parenthetical point above, because Unz describes the new forms that “legacy” admissions are taking, with the increase in Jewish representation in the administration as well as the donor base.
Re “the entire Ivy League,” I don’t know of similar studies and data for the other Ivy League universities, or other topnotch institutions of tertiary education. Maybe Unz has included those in some of his studies.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 12:50 utc | 249

Now that you asked, what are you doing aside from commenting here?
Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 9:50 utc | 232
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I have already provided that information.
You are not paying attention.
I am sorry for you that you feel only shame about being a German, and no compassion whatsoever for your fellow and sister countrypeople.
Of course I feel sorry if you are losing friends over the genocide. Many of us already lost friends over the covid op (or did you perchance buy in to that?).
But does that not prompt you to think about the extent to which the German people have been gaslighted? Accepting all the burden of guilt of their forebears while also being the multigenerational targets of unremitting propaganda re apartheid Israel qua German “Stattsraison”? WTF?
I also feel sorry for you that you can’t get up off your duff and join a march or hold up a sign, write letters to your local newspaper, send postcards to your elected representatives, put a sign in your window.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 13:02 utc | 250

“… We seem to lurch from one mass killing event to another. If it’s not the Conquista, it’s the vast sectarian slaughter of the Thirty Years War, or the millions of the Middle Passage, or the actions of hundreds of ‘Mista Kurtz’ spreading ‘civilization’ with the machete. I won’t even mention the 20th century…
It is, of course, the epoch of world-historical capitalism. As Bevin eloquently reminded us, the pathway is theft, institutionalised domination, production, markets, wars, repeat. Genocide is just business as usual.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 20:36 utc | 104
You missed the Aztec genocide where in 1487 the Aztecs sacrificed 84,000 people in four days days!!!
“Defeated soldiers were not killed on the battlefield, but captured and returned to Tenochtitlan for sacrifice. The Aztec rulers were convinced that the end of the world was nigh and butchered thousands to appease the gods. This was a culture obsessed with death: they believed that human sacrifice was the highest form of karmic healing. When the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan was consecrated in 1487 the Aztecs recorded that 84,000 people were slaughtered in four days.” (1)
Or the genocidal warfare and slavery that was practiced in North America pre Columbian:
“Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures. Indeed, war was a persistent reality in all regions though, as Tom Holm has argued, it waxed in intensity, frequency and decisiveness.
The causes were complex and often interrelated, springing from both individual and collective motivations and needs. At a personal level, young males often had strong incentives to participate in military operations, as brave exploits were a source of great prestige in most Aboriginal cultures. According to one Jesuit account from the 18th Century, ‘The only way to attract respect and public veneration among the Illinois is, as among the other Savages, to acquire a reputation as a skillful hunter, and particularly as a good warrior … it is what they call being a true man.’
Among west coast societies, the material goods and slaves acquired through raiding were important avenues to build up sufficient wealth to host potlatches and other give-away ceremonies. At a community level, warfare played a multifaceted role, and was waged for different reasons. Some conflicts were waged for economic and political goals, such as gaining access to resources or territory, exacting tribute from another nation or controlling trade routes.
Revenge was a consistent motivating factor across North America, a factor that could lead to recurrent cycles of violence, often low intensity, which could last generations. Among the Iroquoian nations in the northeast, ‘mourning wars’ were practiced. Such conflicts involved raiding with the intent to capture prisoners, who were then adopted by bereaved families to replace family members who had died prematurely due to illness or war.” (2)
1. https://intellectualtakeout.org/2015/10/84000-slaughtered-in-four-days/
2.https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/military-history/history-heritage/popular-books/aboriginal-people-canadian-military/warfare-pre-columbian-north-america.html

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:02 utc | 251

“I can’t take your comments seriously when you say ‘This is why I shed no tears for Hiroshima knowing what happened in Nanking, in spite of what I know about US intentions in 1945, etc.'”
Really? So Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) were justified because of what happened in Nanking?
Isn’t that what the Israeli government is saying? – the destruction of Gaza is justified because of the ‘1,200’ who were killed on October the 7th.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:26 utc | 153
Yeah, Patroklos lost the thread there somehow as you adroitly pointed out- he’s basically justifying the Israeli government response.
Perhaps, he had too much Retsina – or in a mad fit about right wing posters his monstrous anger momentarily disrupted his logic.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:10 utc | 252

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 0:50 utc | 160
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 1:05 utc | 166
“What I like about this site is that there are a myriad of views on the topic under discussion. This is due to our host ‘b’ who, as far as I’m aware, very rarely censors posts. We should be thankful that we have a forum like this to express our thoughts (whatever they may be). To say that its ‘Rather useless to hope for a conversation on a site populated mostly by Aspies, trolls, and bots.’ is a disservice to this site and disrespectful to our host.”
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 1:54 utc | 175
The far out lefties prefer censorship rather than discussion.
Their labelling posters who don’t fit their ideological threshold as ‘bots’ ‘Aspies’ only illustrates the paucity of their intellectual ammunition..

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:15 utc | 253

“Re: Real Estate Records:
Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 9:01 ut
Turkey, as the successor state to the ottoman empire, holds the authoritative land deeds and records for mandate Palestine.
They can destroy UNRWA, the UN and all the other Anglo run institutions but unless they destroyed the Turkish state archives the right of return will be supported by a mass of original documentation.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 11:49 utc | 239
Excellent post, Arch-I learned something!

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:24 utc | 254

Just jews being jews.
History of jewish ritual murder: https://web.archive.org/web/19980212154738/http://www.melvig.org/jrm/jrm_toc.html

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 10 2024 13:54 utc | 255

Blood libel
255 your link sucks…
False claim that Jews killed Christians to use blood in ceremonies
rtabbi google says
Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation) is an antisemitic canard which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals. Echoing very old myths of secret cultic practices in many prehistoric societies, the claim, as it is leveled against Jews, was rarely attested to in antiquity.
many times it was attested. does the mohel ever suck the blood during ritual the blood is the key the devil is in the detail..
today bombs missiles tank rounds sniper bullets but the knife is still used welcolm to the synagogue of satan
https://archive.org/details/236874025-jewish-ritual-murder-list-books-documents/77338406-Leese-Arnold-Jewish-Ritual-Murder-en-1938-141-S-Text/mode/2up

Posted by: todd | Mar 10 2024 14:27 utc | 256

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:02 utc | 251
Lmfao at your poorly cited ridiculous bullshit article about the Aztecs.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 14:52 utc | 257

242
vicky new lands kagan nulannds nuudelmann was spiritual clone of madeline albright
vicky will be generating student clones in her own sick and debased image.
big big under the radar donations for oded yinon new khazaria
saban is the left cheek sheldon adelson was the right khazhar devils arse
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/haim-cheryl-saban-talk-power-philanthropy-israel-2020-presidential-race-1222856/
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/haim-saban

Posted by: todd | Mar 10 2024 14:59 utc | 258

What options do I have?
Within the system I can protest or vote: not much I could do to affect our politicians it seems. Not a big fan of Germany’s organized left but that’s where my votes go.
Outside the system? Things would get illegal really quick.
Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 9:50 utc | 232
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This is just a sorry joke.
“Illegal,” like you might get sent to a reeducation camp?
Or actually to a labor camp?
Or maybe even to an extermination camp?
See what I am saying?
I am standing my ground on this one.
Where did your mother come to, from Pommern, at the age of two?
And how and why?
I am curious as to what that has to do with anything.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 15:59 utc | 259

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 13:02 utc | 251
Lmfao at your poorly cited ridiculous bullshit article about the Aztecs.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 14:52 utc | 257
Sorry, Tom I should have given a Trigger Warning as modern archeologists ha ve backed the the 84,000 hgenocide.(1) (2)(3)
I am also sorry that the factual event disrupts your ideological theories; hey, you are free to have your delusions about the events but it happened nontheless..
1. https://articlebay.medium.com/the-largest-human-sacrifice-in-history-aztec-bloody-festival-18c3721712c8
2. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/2761762/npr-downplays-actual-human-sacrifice/
3. https://listverse.com/2016/12/20/10-horrors-of-aztec-ritual-human-sacrifice/

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 16:11 utc | 260

Jane @ 259
Illegal as in anything that could change things is forbidden. Call it terrorism if you will, remember the “long march through the institutions” debate?

I also feel sorry for you that you can’t get up off your duff and join a march or hold up a sign, write letters to your local newspaper, send postcards to your elected representatives, put a sign in your window.

Hundreds of thousands worldwide do that to no effect.
Being the child of someone forcibly evicted, the “frau, komm” stories, crossing the Haff and starting from zero with your clothes and a stroller really drives home what stupid elite war rackets do to the working class.
Holocaust denial and Nazi apologists are just as evil as our arrogant “Wir sind wieder wer” politicians.
I wish those fools understood what they are toying with and how dumb their hurrah patriotism is.
I hate saying this but maybe Germany elites deserve to be bombed out too so they know what is at stake here. Maybe they get Putin to do us that favor if they keep going?
Culturally the self destructive tendencies are rising, there is some apocalyptic mood, echoes of Biedermeier and WW1. I feel a lot of Westerners want the current system to die to be able to breathe again.

Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 16:21 utc | 261

Posted by: pq | Mar 10 2024 11:36 utc | 238 – Thank you, this is the kind of informative comment I come here for.
Re: Real Estate Records:
Turkey, as the successor state to the ottoman empire, holds the authoritative land deeds and records for mandate Palestine.
They can destroy UNRWA, the UN and all the other Anglo run institutions but unless they destroyed the Turkish state archives the right of return will be supported by a mass of original documentation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 11:49 utc | 239
Part of UNRWA’s function is to track refugees in various countries and territories, through the generations, to continue the link with their original villages. If this genocide ever ends, many Gazans will be without documents of any kind, there will be thousands of orphan children, and myriad other problems of ascertaining identity. UNRWA will be vital in this respect.

Posted by: ChrisB | Mar 10 2024 16:30 utc | 262

Jane,
It’s difficult to fathom the laws against wrong think in Germany.
For example, some fellow in Spring 2022 wore a tee shirt with a big Z emblazoned on the front. Arrested and hauled before a judge – fined a few thousand plus (I recall) 6 months suspended jail sentence.
So please be a little tolerant of SOS.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 16:44 utc | 263

snake | Mar 10 2024 4:01 utc | 198–
Interesting idea. How might it work in tandem with China’s Global Security Initiative?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2024 17:44 utc | 264

If you excuse the Germans from 1930’
Why Germany’s “Coming-to-Terms” with its Nazi past has not only failed but backfired.
By TARIK CYRIL AMAR
https://tarikcyrilamar.substack.com/p/pride-and-prejudices-and-totalausfall

Posted by: RB | Mar 10 2024 18:43 utc | 265

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 14:52 utc | 257
Ha, yeah. I just ignore Canuck now, with his quaint faux footnotes playing at being scholarly without the remotest clue.
It is however interesting to see MoA splitting between scientific-critical thought and superstitious fucktardism. The one is scholarly, the other sees the signs of scholarship only as a kind of costume (as though footnotes confer authority on your fucktardism).

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 19:01 utc | 266

I feel a lot of Westerners want the current system to die to be able to breathe again.
Posted by: SOS | Mar 10 2024 16:21 utc | 261
I sense that too. I’ve been enjoying your posts, and completely sympathise. Ich verstehe aber wirklich nicht, was Jane’s Problem mit Ihnen ist. Sie scheint ein bisschen wütend zu sein und auf einen Streit aus zu sein. A guilty conscience vielleicht?

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 19:07 utc | 267

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 19:01 utc | 266
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 14:52 utc | 257
Ha, yeah. I just ignore Canuck now, with his quaint faux footnotes playing at being scholarly without the remotest clue.

Are you saying he is wrong about the Aztecs and Iriquois etc? Or do you just dislike your preferred white-man-bad narrative being knocked off its perch a little?
And what’s with all the insulting all the time? Aren’t you posing as one of the erudite adults at the bar? If so, you’ve blown it, old chap!

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 10 2024 19:27 utc | 268

It is however interesting to see MoA splitting between scientific-critical thought and superstitious fucktardism.
Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 19:01 utc | 266
It’s more sad than interesting. The superstitious trend is boring.
Good that you, Tom Q. et al. help keep things real.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 10 2024 19:54 utc | 269

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 12:50 utc | 249
Thank you for digging up that information.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 20:21 utc | 270

They can destroy UNRWA, the UN and all the other Anglo run institutions but unless they destroyed the Turkish state archives the right of return will be supported by a mass of original documentation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 11:49 utc | 239
You are a wealth of information, thank you. I wasn’t aware of that.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 20:29 utc | 271

Posted by: canuck | Mar 10 2024 16:11 utc | 260
LOL. Nobody said that the Aztecs didn’t engage in human sacrifice. It’s well known. What I’m disputing is your first article’s ridiculous, citation-free allegations of MASS sacrifice into the hundreds of thousands per year. Hogwash.
Member only article at Medium which clearly says, prior to the paywall: “However, the number of sacrifices offered remains a matter of debate among researchers.”
Listverse: Lists horrors of Aztec human sacrifice, but makes zero mention of numbers except in cases of INDIVIDUALS being sacrificed. Yes, the Aztecs took war prisoners of which many may have been sacrificed, including the Spanish.
Initial tales of MASS sacrifice were spread by the Spanish as propaganda. It was necessary to create a false narrative of a debased, savage people because their complex cities, government and other features of life were in stark contrast to the rationale used to justify their subjugation. Others have claimed that the British attempted to debunk these stories with propaganda of their own.
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 10 2024 19:27 utc | 268
LOL. You’re the one with the axe to grind around here, not me. I simply laughed at the silly original article full of right-wing anti-native tropes.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 20:49 utc | 272

General comment about the history of Aztec ritual human sacrifice.
History is written by the victors; the conquerors; the Conquistadors.
The most extreme, politically motivated authors claim that the Aztecs killed 250,000 people a year, which is almost 50 million people from 1325-1521.
If anyone believes that and wants to push that narrative, you’re going to need to come up with much more carefully researched and footnoted analysis and evidence, because I don’t think even 2,000,000 corpses or remains have been found in the entirety of Aztec geography, and even that is a huge stretch.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 20:54 utc | 273

It’s difficult to fathom the laws against wrong think in Germany.
For example, some fellow in Spring 2022 wore a tee shirt with a big Z emblazoned on the front. Arrested and hauled before a judge – fined a few thousand plus (I recall) 6 months suspended jail sentence.
So please be a little tolerant of SOS.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 16:44 utc | 263
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I am quite aware of the laws against wrong-think in Germany.
It is absurd. (I think C. J. Hopkins finally decided to leave Germany after the cuckoo govt. harassment he endured for a couple of years.)
That is why I am intolerant of SOS’s intolerance toward and ongoing shame regarding his forebears. He thinks they should “have done something” (what?) but is actually afraid to do anything himself and finds excuses. He is afraid, in the modern BRD, but his grandparents in the Third Reich should have played the hero?
Who here is so dense as to miss this?
The biggest taboo in Germany actually seems to be Germans’ showing any shred of compassion or understanding for their grandparents. Prohibition on mourning any German. It is really effed up.
http://jmcolberg.com/weblog/2003/07/wolf_biermann_about_the_bombing_of_hamburg_and_about_guilt_and_punishment/

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 23:09 utc | 274

Ich verstehe aber wirklich nicht, was Jane’s Problem mit Ihnen ist. Sie scheint ein bisschen wütend zu sein und auf einen Streit aus zu sein. A guilty conscience vielleicht?
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 19:07 utc | 267
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Streng Dich ein Bisschen an, Bubi!
In der Wirklichkeit ist Pat derjenige, der auf andere hier, die er fuer seine Untergebenen haelt, wuetend ist.
Jetzt kommt er mit seinen unbeholfenen Anspielungen, seiner plumpen Sesselpsychologisierung und seinem eingebildeten beschissenen Deutsch daher. Doof!

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 23:28 utc | 275

Exile | Mar 10 2024 12:23 utc | 245
*** Roughly 40% of [“Ivy League”] undergrads are ethnic Jewish ***
Is that the WEF ensuring it won’t be short of gauleiters?

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 11 2024 0:31 utc | 276

The really striking thing about that 40% figure for Jewish students in the Ivy League is how little room that leaves for non-Hispanic white gentile students. Take out Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, and how much room is left? The rest must almost all be legacy admissions.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 11 2024 19:46 utc | 277