Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 9, 2024
Israel ‘Coerces’ UN Workers – By Outright Torturing Them

Every time one thinks that the depravity of Zionist fanatics has finally reached a limit they will proudly present even worse behavior.

UNRWA report says Israel coerced some agency employees to falsely admit Hamas linksReuters, Mar 9 2024

The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said some employees released into Gaza from Israeli detention reported having been pressured by Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 attacks.

Coerced, pressured, … Maybe they had a harsh talk?

No. They outright tortured, Abu Graibh like, these UN workers. Some of them to their death:

The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members.

In addition to the alleged abuse endured by UNRWA staff members, Palestinian detainees more broadly described allegations of abuse, including beatings, humiliation, threats, dog attacks, sexual violence, and deaths of detainees denied medical treatment, the UNRWA report said.

Reuters could not independently confirm the accounts of coercion of UNRWA staff and mistreatment of detainees, although the allegations of ill-treatment accord with descriptions by Palestinians freed from detention in December, February and March reported by Reuters and other news media.

Remi Brulin @RBrulin – 0:44 UTC · Mar 9, 2024

“We tortured some folks” is pretty bad

“We tortured some folk so we could destroy a huge relief organization that’s indispensable in dealing with a huge humanitarian crisis that we created in the first place” is…. something else

What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?

Comments

Max Blumenthal was somehow invited to speak to the Women’s Democratic Party club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS3HOEss9rk
The whole thing is worth watching.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 20:29 utc | 101

Refinnejenna | Mar 9 2024 20:14 utc | 98
Jacques Pauwals has a very interesting review at Global Research of a new book on the Marshall Plan and France. I am waiting for it to be translated.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/americanizing-france-marshall-plan-reconsidered/5851342

Posted by: bevin | Mar 9 2024 20:32 utc | 102

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/14/gaza-israel-genocide-biden-legacy/
Make special note of Joe Biden’s quotes.
Example from when Joe was a senator:
—-As the Israeli prime minister was grilled in the Senate over Israel’s disproportionate use of force, including the targeting of civilians with cluster bomb munitions, Biden, in Begin’s words, “rose and delivered a very impassioned speech” defending the invasion. Upon his return to Israel, Begin told Israeli reporters he was shocked when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding, “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.”—–

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 20:34 utc | 103

@karlof
Most Pro-Human people are at a loss when confronted with the actions of so many Anti-Humans
I think this is the nub of it: our historical situation is pathological anti-humanist. We seem to lurch from one mass killing event to another. If it’s not the Conquista, it’s the vast sectarian slaughter of the Thirty Years War, or the millions of the Middle Passage, or the actions of hundreds of ‘Mista Kurtz’ spreading ‘civilization’ with the machete. I won’t even mention the 20th century…
It is, of course, the epoch of world-historical capitalism. As Bevin eloquently reminded us, the pathway is theft, institutionalised domination, production, markets, wars, repeat. Genocide is just business as usual.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 20:36 utc | 104

israel
and the Western powers which support these genocidal maniacs are so f*cked
and they don’t even realize it.
mostly because of their exceptionalism, pride and vanities, and of course the USA always having their back.
Well, guess what, folks, it ain’t always gonna be so

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2024 20:39 utc | 105

What some Palestinians think the “US pier for aid” is really for (10 minutes):
Is the Gaza Pier a US Conspiracy? – Gaza on the Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ-gjJaw4X8&t=593s

Posted by: teri | Mar 9 2024 20:40 utc | 106

The Soviets, the Chinese, and the Yugoslav Communists had some pretty sound ideas about how to handle such people. Too bad the West protected too many so they were not able to finish the job.

Posted by: Em | Mar 9 2024 20:45 utc | 107

The most necessary punishment for the greedy Zionists is to bankrupt them all and ensure that they will have to live the rest of their lives as chronically indebted zero hour workers and Uber drivers. Without their stolen money they are nothing, they would crumble into dust.

Posted by: Em | Mar 9 2024 20:50 utc | 108

Zargo | Mar 9 2024 13:13 utc | 14
*** Meanwhile the US and its Arab friends air drop food and medicine***
Subject to Israeli kleptomania, dropped in tiny quantities (and sometimes lethally)
Just another photo-call for Western establishment politicians.
*** and now is preparing to build a sea corridor and floating port to bring in supplies.***
Is preparing the foundations for an offshore “artificial island” devised by the Israelis so they can steal Gaza’s gas and oil — and which, for Palestinian survivors of the genocide, will also become Israel’s new Gaza concentration and forced-labour camp.
*** The US with its EU friends once again demonstrates it is indispensable to peace.***
The ulteriorly motivated USA and its EU ventriloquist-dummy farce demonstrate a joint incapacity to be honest and tell the truth about anything at all.
Their demise is indispensable to peace.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 9 2024 20:52 utc | 109

Posted by: teri | Mar 9 2024 20:40 utc | 106
https://atmos.earth/this-genocide-is-about-oil/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 20:54 utc | 110

From Middle East Monitor:
South African Minister Naledi Pandor proposes ‘powerful armed forces of the world’ accompany aid trucks into Gaza

South Africa’s Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor called on allies of Israel to send their troops to escort aid trucks into Gaza and ensure the safe passage of humanitarian aid to the Palestinian in the besieged strip. Pandor’s statements came in a press conference with Danish Foreign Minister Lars Rasmussen in Pretoria.
‘Those powerful armed forces of the world should be instructed by their presidents or prime ministers that they will go to the Rafah border and their soldiers will escort all those trucks into Gaza and the West Bank,’ she said. ‘And since these are very close friends of Israel, surely they will be allowed safe passage. I can’t imagine them being fired upon by the Israeli forces.’ More than 576,000 people in Gaza, a quarter of the population, are on the brink of famine, according to the UN. Israel has been accused of targeting aid deliveries in recent days, killing hundreds of desperate Palestinians.

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Mar 9 2024 20:56 utc | 111

RE: Posted by: jayc | Mar 9 2024 20:21 utc | 99
Good. Let Israel open that can of worms at the UNSC. It will backfire and the blowback will haunt them for days afterwards. I can see China’s statement now…
Heaping more coals in their own heads…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 20:58 utc | 112

kupkee | Mar 9 2024 15:08 utc | 30
*** Their God turned his back on them before,
I guess they insist on repeating their transgressions.***
And they are now punishing God for turning his back before.
Naughty antisemitic God! Deities must learn to know their place!

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 9 2024 21:08 utc | 113

RE: “Just know that the 100’s of soooo serious and indignant rambling comments you pollute MOA with never has and never will stop the IDF from clearing out Gaza and the West Bank for Jewish settlements and conquest…”
Posted by: King Bb | Mar 9 2024 18:54 utc | 86
Ah! The “taunt”… got anything else?
Yup. Thought not.
IDF is waiting for an actual military force, the little boys in women’s clothing killing coma patients in hospitals is about the end of their “conquest”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 21:09 utc | 114

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 21:09 utc | 114
It’s really quite telling. The Hasbara has been abandoned and they’re reduced to childish taunts. If you ask me, that’s progress.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 21:12 utc | 115

Similar coverage from Al Manar:
‘Israel’ Pressured UNRWA Employees to Make False Statements on Hamas Links: Agency

Israeli occupation forced employees of the UN Relief and Works Agency into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, the UNRWA said.
The assertions were contained in a report by the UN agency reviewed by Reuters and dated February 2024 which detailed testimonies of mistreatment in Israeli detention made by Palestinians, including several working for UNRWA.

The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli occupation army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members.
“Agency staff members have been subject to threats and coercion by the Israeli authorities while in detention, and pressured to make false statements against the Agency, including that the Agency has affiliations with Hamas and that UNRWA staff members took part in the 7 October 2023 atrocities,” the report said.

____________________________________
Well, color me surprised! {/sarcasm}
Miscreants, indeed! (Spot on, b.)

Posted by: JMF | Mar 9 2024 21:14 utc | 116

RE: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 21:12 utc | 115
Well that and the same guy changes his post name after being booted. Such progress indeed…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 21:15 utc | 117

when using your compatriots’ blood is institutional
Chief rabbi threatens ultra-Orthodox mass exodus if forced into army
The Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel, Yitzhak Yosef, has threatened a mass departure of ultra-Orthodox Jews from Israel if the government ends the community’s exemption from mandatory military enlistment.
“If you force them to go to the army, we’ll all move abroad,” Yosef was quoted as saying by Israeli media during a weekly lecture.
He also said Israeli soldiers “only succeed thanks to those learning Torah” instead of enlisting in the army.
https://aje.io/zbuy5m?update=2761463

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 21:22 utc | 118

it reminds me a story i heard a couple of years ago about the last Moroccan jews being unable to have a permanent loxal rabbi for supervising ritual slaughtering (and probably no one to do it too)
they resorted to fly a guy from israel or elsewhere every week
will they allow the cloning of rabbis at some point? or authorize robots to say the prayers?

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 21:28 utc | 119

Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 20:36 utc | 104–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, the Global Majority is striving to create a new paradigm that eliminates past deviant behaviors based on exceptionalism, imperialism and extremism which generate totalitarian facets within their practitioners. Yes, every historical age seems to embody the feature you highlight. Objectively, blood’s continued to flow since WW2’s end all furthered by the three isms above that support one aim–Global Hegemony by the last remaining Outlaw Empire.
Putin recently made an interesting observation: Russia went to Paris in 1814 because that’s what needed to be done to secure Russian and European security, and then Russia went back to Russia–it didn’t remain in the West. After WW2, Russia remained in Eastern Europe since the West wanted to continue what the German’s failed at accomplishing. Some decades later, mistakenly, USSR’s leaders felt they could retreat back to Russia because the threat from the West had diminished. They then opened Russia’s gates to the Western Trojan Horse and almost last their sovereignty. Today’s threat to Russian and global security comes from Washington, DC, the seat of the Outlaw US Empire. Putin’s implication is unless the West alters its policy toward Russia, Russia will have no choice but to quell the threat by subduing the Outlaw US Empire. And that would also mean dealing with its Zionist extremist ally that’s becoming more hostile daily.
Very few people took note of Putin’s words–again. His explanation at the World Youth Festival was matter-of-fact: This is what happened. Given the state of the world today, NATO would be allied with Hitler and be all for his Plan Ost. IMO, Team Putin understands that, although I don’t think the majority of Russian’s do.
Can the Hydra’s head be severed without it creating further mayhem? Is that the only real solution?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2024 21:43 utc | 121

Posted by LoveDonbass (66):
In the latter part of the 19th Century, it was the general view in Western European elite circles that their possession of wealth and technical expertise went hand in hand with moral superiority (that is how they justified their colonial wars and theft as “spreading civilisation”). Of course there were dissenters from this view, even eloquent ones (e.g. Mark Twain). But what really knocked that delusion on the head was the cataclysm of the Great War, which exposed the European savages for what they really were. Ever since then, no serious European observer has been able to argue his case on the basis of some assumed moral superiority.

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Mar 9 2024 21:44 utc | 122

haifa industry must burn
haifa industry must burn
the chemical plants of haifa must burn
a burnt offering self inflicted for they be devils that must be scattered for eternity.
3 is the thing
three is the charm
think on something harm full in haifa and it will manifest
it will be so

Posted by: todd | Mar 9 2024 21:45 utc | 123

RE: “Well, color me surprised! {/sarcasm}
Miscreants, indeed! (Spot on, b.)”
Posted by: JMF | Mar 9 2024 21:14 utc | 116
It gets even worse:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-to-falsely-admit-hamas-links/ar-BB1jzR5h
“UNRWA communications director ***Juliette Touma said the agency planned to hand the information in the 11-page, unpublished report to agencies inside and outside the U.N. specialised in documenting potential human rights abuses.
*** “When the war comes to an end ***there needs to be a series of inquiries to look into all violations of human rights,” she said.”
So, Monday morning Ms. Juliette Touma will receive an inquiry phone call from me. As well as written letter if inquiries. I will also post my inquiry on every social media I can find:
1) Is this statement by Ms. Juliette Touma published hers and accurate?
2) WHY exactly, are we “waiting for the war to end”… (could be years ) to “look into all the violations”??
3) What is being done NOW about the violations reported.
Good. Something to flood the UNRWA about… has a legal UN recommendation been made to ICC? I’ve been needing to target someone specific for inquiries… hopefully, not just me…
“UNRWA is a United Nations agency established by the General Assembly in 1949 with a mandate to provide humanitarian assistance and protection to registered Palestine refugees in the Agency’s area of operations, namely the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza, Jordan, Leb- anon and Syria, pending a just and lasting solution to their plight.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 21:45 utc | 124

(1) Seems to me the proposed floating dock is an attempt to have one’s cake and eat it, too — within easy commuting distance of the battlefield but by definition having no US boots on the ground. Anybody else?
(2) How many barflies think the floating dock is also an all-but-perfect set-up for an Israeli false-flag attack?
(3) And how many US barflies want help finding alternative candidates to vote for instead of Triden or Bump? One perennial source of news about them, and the odds they’re up against if we don’t help, is
https://www.ballot-access.org

Posted by: John A. La Pietra | Mar 9 2024 21:53 utc | 125

The starving kids in The Gaza will not see a date but the rest of the world can boycott Israeli dates not only for Ramadan but forever:
Square profile picture
AJ+
@ajplus
“I will not be eating blood dates.”
Muslim TikTokers are calling for a boycott of Israeli dates during #Ramadan amid Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1766550774413447286

Posted by: Menz | Mar 9 2024 21:56 utc | 126

Californian dates should be boycotted as well.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 9 2024 21:57 utc | 127

حَ
@Levantinette
Btw, Israel has damaged or looted or destroyed ~9,000 historical and archaeological artefacts in Gaza since October 7th.
But God forbid activists vandalise a painting of a criminal imperialist to bring attention to literal genocide.

Palestine Action
@Pal_action
·
Mar 9
BREAKING: Palestine Action spray and slash a historic painting of Lord Balfour in Trinity College, University of Cambridge.
Written in 1917, Balfour’s declaration began the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by promising the land away — which the British never had the right to do.

https://twitter.com/Levantinette/status/1766440882624954476

Posted by: Menz | Mar 9 2024 21:59 utc | 128

“Kunlangeta” sounds like the same story as dealing with a mad dog. Kind of like what I take as the moral of Of Mice and Men: there is only one thing to be done with a mad dog.
BUT!!! While supportive of the natural logic above, the answer cannot be to continue the cycle of violence. For example, to treat these (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-10/the-people-trying-to-bar-aid-to-gaza/103563730) nasty children without sympathy is the kind of angle that tptb will now push.
There is a difference between putting down a mad dog and revenge that I am struggling to put in to words…

Posted by: Rae | Mar 9 2024 22:01 utc | 129

►you/we are outraged?
it’s legitimate and it shouldn’t stop there, not with a post on MoA.
I’m sure that many of us are already mobilizing in real life, and I call on the others to join in the active resistance.
►Whatever your level of involvement, whatever you’re willing to risk, you can take action.
►The genocidal israeli regime is spending insane amounts of money to try and keep control of it’s image and the narrative, each and every one of us can make a difference, on the networks but above all : IRL.
►Join or create mobilizations, put pressure on your “elected representatives”, support financially or personally the associations working for Palestine.
►►NOW!
BR

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Mar 9 2024 22:05 utc | 130

For future records:
Muhammad Shehada
@muhammadshehad2
Israeli soldier admits he murdered an unarmed elderly Palestinian man who had his arms up in the air & begged to spare his life.
The other soldiers applaud & praise him for it, shake his hand, give him a pat on the shoulder & say “all the respect”!
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1766404796909588637

Posted by: Menz | Mar 9 2024 22:07 utc | 131

King Bb
Your satanic laughter is futil. Everyone has been able to see your true face, the Zionism ugly face. In fact you collaborate in the unmasking.
Come back here in 70 years.
The first time this film was shown, those who rose up against the arrogant and narcissistic lords of the city-Temple were the people of Idumea, Galilee and Perea, “the people of the land” (“am ha’eretz”) but 70 years from now “the people of the land” will be “the people of the earth”: the people of this beautiful planet and painful world.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 9 2024 22:08 utc | 132

May the Powers protect the Warriors and friends of those in the Gaza:
The Best
@ThebestFigen
Life begins when fear ends …
https://twitter.com/ThebestFigen/status/1766504217928446329

Posted by: Menz | Mar 9 2024 22:14 utc | 133

Minaa | Mar 9 2024 21:28 utc | 119
*** will they allow the cloning of rabbis at some point? ***
Be surprised if his own lot hadn’t already tried to clone the late Schneerson.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 9 2024 22:30 utc | 134

@ karlof1 | Mar 9 2024 21:43 utc | 121 who wrote

Can the Hydra’s head be severed without it creating further mayhem? Is that the only real solution?

I like another barfly’s thought

There is a difference between putting down a mad dog and revenge that I am struggling to put in to words…
Posted by: Rae | Mar 9 2024 22:01 utc | 129

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 9 2024 22:38 utc | 135

Regarding Egypt border crossing. Egypt has attempted to send aid trucks through the Egyptian border but Israel blocked and continues to block the aid trucks attempting to enter through Egypt. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231010-israel-threatens-to-bomb-egypt-aid-trucks-heading-to-gaza/
Egyptian trucks carrying vital aid and fuel to the besieged and bombarded Gaza Strip have been forced to retreat after Israel warned Cairo that the trucks would be bombed if they entered the enclave, Sinai for Human Rights said on X.
The rights group said it obtained “exclusive footages confirming the blocking of Egyptian fuel trucks and humanitarian aids from access to the Rafah land crossing borders after Israel issued a warning to the Egyptian authorities that if it brought relief supplies into the Gaza Strip, the trucks would be bombed.”

Posted by: Willow | Mar 9 2024 22:42 utc | 136

@Cynic | Mar 9 2024 20:29 utc | 100

The only viable two-state solution …..
Palestinians get one State called Palestine.
Israeli Zionists get one State called either Florida or NY.

Actually there is a one-state solution for Palestine. Its called one man one vote as happened in South Africa after Apartheid. So voting is opened to all, including those in exile who return to vote, then the new Government rules over all and returns stolen land to its rightful owners.
If this solution worked for Apartheid South Africa it should work for Apartheid Israel 🙂

Posted by: gT | Mar 9 2024 22:52 utc | 137

This will only end when the US decides to stop protecting Israel. The reason Hamas attacked is because the US continually vetoes any UN resolution which is even mildly critical of Israel. As JFK said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”.

Posted by: D J G | Mar 9 2024 22:55 utc | 138

Posted by: Willow | Mar 9 2024 22:42 utc | 136
Sounds like there’s a possibility that if some willing drivers for those trucks could be found, they might be able to commandeer trucks and crash the Rafa border gate. That would force the Jews to bomb the food trucks at Rafa and that might be enough to incite pro-Palestinian rioting at Rafa during Ramadan that might result in an open border. A lot of maybes but a bold move like this, despite the risks, might spark a region wide rebellion.

Posted by: Chas | Mar 9 2024 23:00 utc | 139

Israel is always going to win and has enough nukes to do whatever the hell it wants…get used to losing you clowns!!!
Posted by: Winning | Mar 9 2024 14:46 utc | 27
Well there it is. The Jewish mask dropped. Absolute evil.
What say you Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka? With your unconditional support for Israel? You presume to be members of the future Trump cabinet. I hope that Trump sees through you.
You war monger against China. You war monger against Russia. You war monger against the Muslims.
President Trump, you are going to be elected. Do not let these dirtbags become members of your Cabinet.
President Trump. You must invoke the Insurrection Act on day one. You need to go full Nayib Bukele and then some. All of our current Generals and Admirals need to be investigated for treason. Most of them will be found guilty and should subsequently be stood up in front of a wall of sandbags and shot.
Thousands if not tens of thousands of federal government employees participated in the overthrow of our government in the 2020 election. All of them should likewise be investigated, prosecuted and if found guilty, executed.
President Trump. You cannot merely imprison these people. The next Democrat president will pardon them and they will go back to doing their job of destroying America. You must execute them. You must end them.
And yes. They are mostly Jews. They got their hooks into your daughter. I got daughters. I can’t imagine how hard it must be. But suck it the fuck up. USA. Freedom. That’s all that matters. War through it.

Posted by: RLTW | Mar 9 2024 23:18 utc | 140

The rules for voting to expel a country from the UN exist.
This can be followed by worldwide embargo and sanctions.
In addition, countries that signatories to the ICC can file criminal charges against individuals with their own courts and the UCC for Genocide (instigating/abetting or participation). The Zionists have enthusiastically uploaded videos showing their actual crimes.
This is what civilized countries should doing.

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 9 2024 23:28 utc | 141

Apologies for spelling errors, forgot my glasses.

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 9 2024 23:30 utc | 142

RE: “Can the Hydra’s head be severed without it creating further mayhem? Is that the only real solution?”
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2024 21:43 utc | 121
Any Hydra must be severed at the neck. Not the head.
For me, that’s at least one solution that’s worthy.
A national collapse, results in national mayhem.
A global order system breakdown, all the more mayhem.
I don’t know if it’s the “only real solution”… but mayhem won’t last any longer than order does. It’s a circle.
Disorder, leads to mayhem, back to Order to Disorder…
A big circle of humanity that didn’t just start with Hitler and Nazis. Nationalist, Supremest, Racist, Land Theft, Genocide…didn’t just start in 1900s. Kings, Kingdoms, Tribes, Cults been around with these same rises and falls since humanities existences.
I wasn’t around in Hitler times, but so what, I wasn’t around in Caligula times either, what’s the difference? You think humanity ever learns a thing? Ever changes?
No, we have reprieves, respites for a time. Then the insane come back into power, because the rational, aren’t interested in power over others.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 23:32 utc | 143

Justifiable outrage to one side for a moment. Three observations.
1. The trolls who bait us have an advantage. Like the Zionists, they’re not bound by morality, reason or science. This liberates them from justification. Since they’re far right they see domination as its own justification. Thus, we need to be more like Robespierre or Stalin and stop bringing only knives to the gunfight. Virtue without terror is impotent, and they know it. The only possible solution is the one pursued by the Red Army: annihilate Israel. When King Bb says that we only have legal mumbo-jumbo, he is right. They will only withdraw when they taste what they dish out. This is why I shed no tears for Hiroshima knowing what happened in Nanking, in spite of what I know about US intentions in 1945, etc.
2. The silence of Iran and Russia, and the mere reprimands of China, disturb me. I can only assume that they know something we don’t, like a real risk of escalation the moment any intervention is made. Even so, it does seem like heads are being buried in the sand.
3. And speaking of heads in the (literal) sand: if all of this is a bout Gaza’s off-shore LNG/oil reserves, which are reported to be vast, then these events have extraordinary geopolitical ramifications. Development of these fields would establish a home-grown European source of energy, contained in the Mediterranean, independent of China, Russia, the Persian Gulf and the Suez Canal. In one stroke dependence on ME energy would vanish and local Israeli, US, French and UK companies would begin making trillions. In some respects this would be a realignment of the world’s balance of power, confine Russia and China to an East Eurasian bloc and make Iran and KSA redundant. If I were the Gulf states I would be very worried about an Israeli victory.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 23:44 utc | 144

I believe that destroying UNRWA also has negative effects on the “Right of Return”. Can anybody verify that?

Posted by: John | Mar 9 2024 23:48 utc | 145

Reuters has a posting up with the title
Pope says Ukraine should have ‘courage of the white flag’ of negotiations
the sub-title

Francis made his comments in an interview recorded last month with Swiss broadcaster RSI. It is due to be broadcast on March 20.

On my dance card, I have Pope Frank as part of the God Of Mammon cult and so I see this as significant.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 9 2024 23:49 utc | 146

Russia and China playing the long game …. 50 or 100 years.
Let Washington burn in the International arena …
Netanyahu rejects Hamas’ proposed cease-fire terms in blow to Washington’s diplomacy in Middle East, highlighting US-Israel divisions | Global Times |
Won’t read the Western war narrative in China, contrary to Middle Eastern states.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 10 2024 0:00 utc | 147

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 23:44 utc | 144
Here speaketh a troll.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:09 utc | 148

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:09 utc | 148
It’s a waste of time trying to have a serious conversation here any more.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 0:13 utc | 149

John La Pietra @ 125
============
This morning in response to a mailing regarding the proposed port/dock/fishing pier in which two point were made regarding the3 underlying realities I responded as follows:

Re these two points [X’s points],
(1) The United States recognizes that it is powerless to convince Israel (if it has ever genuinely tried) to comply with the order of the International Court of Justice to permit unhindered access for humanitarian aid by land.
(2) The United States anticipates and accepts that Israel will continue its genocidal assault against the people of the Gaza Strip for at least another two months.
Dear X
I think you may be missing something.
1. This “port” may be a way for the US to justify putting boots on the ground.
2. Great for shareholders of Halliburton or Kellogg Root.
3. This may well be a camel’s nose under tent for Israel Katz’s long desired “island” to be constructed in the Med, attached to the mainland via a causeway whose gates can be shut, for the Gazans to be transferred to. Plenty of work for them out there! Codename: Operation Buna-Werk/Monowitz.
I am not making this up.
Katz pitched this idea AGAIN just a few days ago.
Search for “Katz Artificial Island Gaza.”

Definitely a port/island looking for a raison d’etre that doesn’t stink to high heaven.
Only problem: It stinks to high heaven.
Just force Israel to open the gates.
Send in the Marines.
No more bombs for you.
Jesus Christ, how dumb are our overlords?

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:22 utc | 150

Lebanese TV reports:
20:58 Al-Qassam Brigades: Our fighters managed to seize 2 quadcopters which were on surveillance missions over Gaza city’s Zeitoun Neighborhood
Comment – the Gaza Arabs have consistently been reporting the downing or capturing of drones starting about 4 weeks ago.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 10 2024 0:22 utc | 151

We also need to understand that if Trump does overcome the massive election fraud that is sure to come and is elected President, he will be no help in reigning any of this in. He recently said that he approves of the way Israel is handling Gaza. He said: “You have to finish the problem.” Typical ill advised choice of words for him. Like finishing your homework.
We won’t be voting our way out of clown world.

Posted by: George 1 | Mar 10 2024 0:25 utc | 152

I can’t take your comments seriously when you say ‘This is why I shed no tears for Hiroshima knowing what happened in Nanking, in spite of what I know about US intentions in 1945, etc.’
Really? So Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) were justified because of what happened in Nanking?
Isn’t that what the Israeli government is saying? – the destruction of Gaza is justified because of the ‘1,200’ who were killed on October the 7th.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:26 utc | 153

3. And speaking of heads in the (literal) sand: if all of this is a bout Gaza’s off-shore LNG/oil reserves, which are reported to be vast, then these events have extraordinary geopolitical ramifications. Development of these fields would establish a home-grown European source of energy, contained in the Mediterranean, independent of China, Russia, the Persian Gulf and the Suez Canal. In one stroke dependence on ME energy would vanish and local Israeli, US, French and UK companies would begin making trillions. In some respects this would be a realignment of the world’s balance of power, confine Russia and China to an East Eurasian bloc and make Iran and KSA redundant. If I were the Gulf states I would be very worried about an Israeli victory.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 23:44 utc | 144
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Duh.
Ivory tower connects dots between Gaza gas and Nord Stream sabotage.
Better late than never!

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:28 utc | 154

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:26 utc | 153
My post was in response to the comment of Patroklos at 149.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:33 utc | 155

It’s a waste of time trying to have a serious conversation here any more.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 0:13 utc | 149
Ignore the dropkicks Patroklos, they are not worth a glance. We do appreciate you contributions.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 0:34 utc | 156

Rae, 129
According to the report,
“Praying, singing and snacking, a small group of about 40 people managed to stop an estimated 200 trucks crossing at Nitzana from Egypt on the day the ABC was there, according to crossing authorities.”
Oh, really, the girls “just refused to move” and police couldn’t carry them out of the road?
How stupid do they think we are?
If these protesters were Palestinians—or even Westerners—they would bloody well be “moved” by the police if the police wanted to move them. Probably shot in the legs and then loaded onto trucks.
This is a grand guignol show, a self-licking-ice-cream-cone performance for the participants themselves and the Israeli public.
RoW does not buy it.
ABC deserves to be ridiculed on social media for this absurd “report.”

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:40 utc | 157

The more interceptor missiles used by Israel, NATO troops in the middle east and elsewhere, the fewer they will have in Ukraine.
So Russia should help and encourage those non state actors who use projectiles in these areas to do more.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 10 2024 0:40 utc | 158

The BIG problem now is the Zionists use the ‘antisemitism’ shield, so UN investigation is antiemetic, so when their behaviour is truly exposed, well, then antisemitism is the civilised and correct attitude.
It seems to explain perhaps the immense history of antisemitism over the centuries – these people put themselves into a separate group,treat all other people as ‘less, they deserve to be shunned and expelled. The Zionists force us to be antisemetic in order to remain civilised.

Posted by: Surfer Dave | Mar 10 2024 0:46 utc | 159

It’s a waste of time trying to have a serious conversation here any more.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 0:13 utc | 149
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Rather useless to hope for a conversation on a site populated mostly by Aspies, trolls, and bots.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 0:50 utc | 160

ABC deserves to be ridiculed on social media for this absurd “report.”
Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:40 utc | 157
Hi Jane,
The Oz ABC is correct to have publish that article. A couple of months ago, they would not have for fear of antagonizing the OZ Israeli lobb, even if they will not admit it.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 0:51 utc | 161

The link for the article:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-10/the-people-trying-to-bar-aid-to-gaza/103563730

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 0:52 utc | 162

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:40 utc | 157
The ABC report is for the consumption of the citizens of the USA not the rest of the world.
‘How stupid do they think we are?’ – They think you are very stupid.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:59 utc | 163

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 0:50 utc | 160
What is an Aspie?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 1:02 utc | 164

sound familiar to anyone?
the zionist jews of israel are true barbarians
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel–kills-3-lebanese-paramedics-in-strike-on-civil-defe
‘Israel’ kills 3 Lebanese paramedics in strike on civil defense center
Three Lebanese paramedics of the Islamic Health Authority (CDH) in the civil defense forces were killed in an Israeli strike on Monday, which targeted a medical center in the southern town of Odeisseh near the Palestinian borders, the CDH said in a statement.
….Lebanon’s health ministry condemned the Israeli raid “in the strongest terms” and called attacks on medical personnel “unacceptable”, in a statement carried by the state-run National News Agency.
….This is the second Israeli aggression on southern Lebanon in the past 10 days which led to the killing of medical personnel.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 10 2024 1:03 utc | 165

What is an Aspie?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 1:02 utc | 164
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Someone who exhibits Asperger’s Syndrome.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 1:05 utc | 166

Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
@RamAbdu
Breaking: The Israeli army destroyed the historic “Barqouq Castle” in Khan Yunis.
Israel has destroyed almost all archaeological sites in the Gaza Strip and burned libraries and the central history archive building. #GazaGenocide
https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1766458940118769799?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Posted by: Menz | Mar 10 2024 1:11 utc | 167

iirc Bybee and Yoo’s learned opinion, “enhanced interrogation” is a perfectly permissible expression of “harsh talk.”

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 10 2024 1:27 utc | 168

@ Menz | Mar 10 2024 1:11 utc | 167
Eerily reminiscent of the way the USA treated Baghdad and Babylon during Operashun Eye-rackie Freedumb.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 1:31 utc | 169

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 20:54 utc | 11
And yet Syria, technically in a state of war with Israel, with the complete backing and support of Putin does NOTHING.
Putin has air assets within minutes of Gaza, and they do NOTHING.
Ask yourself why—do they lack the moral courage? The material means? Or the political will. Or most likely all three.
The multi-polar world demonstrates its impotence. People cry genocide—and you see what type of future they bring.

Posted by: Zargo | Mar 10 2024 1:32 utc | 170

Em 108
Britain takes 40 % of every generation’s stolen wealth in death duties. It’s logical to assume that the next generation’s wealth is what
was stolen by the previous generations.
In the case of Palestine It’s a serious flaw in the warped minds of the Jews that Palestine was stolen from them. God banished them.
An Elder was invited to speak at a mosque gathering many years ago and he said: The British are Pharaoh, and we are the Children of Israel.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 10 2024 1:34 utc | 171

171
I don’t think he would make that comment today. Power shifts over the years.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 10 2024 1:37 utc | 172

@ Surfer Dave | Mar 10 2024 0:46 utc | 159
The ruse used has been pervasive for a long time. The Global Majority sees through the trick whilst western indoctrinated people have been slower to call it out for what it is, a deception, manipulation and censure.
Tim Anderson has an opinion piece on the subject today in Al-Mayadeen.
Excerpt:

Polish scholar Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term genocide, wrote in the 1920s of the Ottoman massacres of Armenians and other Christians during World War I. He spoke of this imperial genocide as a “recurring pattern of history”, before his famous 1944 book ‘Axis Rule in Occupied Europe’. Imagery of subjugated peoples as subhuman was used by most empires and colonists to justify their genocidal operations. 
In this tradition, the Israeli colonists, themselves the purveyors of deep racism against the indigenous Arab peoples, have tried to ‘weaponise’ accusations of anti-Jewish prejudice as a shield against critics of the Jewish colony. Yet the accusation of ‘anti-Semitism’, which Zionists launch against virtually any critic of Israeli crimes, has a very different meaning amongst Europeans and Arabs. For Europeans, it means a sort of anti-Jewish prejudice which might be linked to the racist crimes of European regimes. For Arabs, or peoples of West Asia, it is an inconsequential slogan meant to justify colonial privilege. Are many Arabs prejudiced against Jewish people? No doubt, but that prejudice has its basis in colonial violence. 
This ‘antisemitism’ may be a prejudice, but it is subaltern prejudice founded in colonial subjugation and aimed at those practicing colonial violence, as UN expert Francesca Albanese said of the resistance violence of 7 October 2023, cited at the top of this article. It has no real link to the historic European crimes. Attacking prejudice against Jewish people in the Palestinian and Arab context is like attacking other forms of indigenous prejudice against Europeans and white people. Such verbal attacks have little substance and only serve to cover up the substantial racism of the colonists. 
Let us also consider for a moment that the term anti-Semitism itself is Euro-centric. Jewish Europeans were presented by racial theorists as outsiders with some links to the ‘Middle East’, a fiction which the Zionists came to adopt. In reality, Semitic peoples are those of several language groups in West Asia and North Africa (MENA), principally Arabic and Amharic, but also Hebrew (an ancient language resurrected for the Jewish colony). In the MENA context then, the accusation of anti-Semitism against Arabs (themselves Semites) is a nonsense. 
The ready labeling of any criticism of the Israeli colony as ‘anti-Semitic’ was called a “trick” by former Israeli government minister Shulamit Aloni. “Anti-Semitism is a trick. We always use it.” It is a trick into which a great deal of effort has been invested. For example, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), ostensibly set up to “foster education, remembrance, and research” into the crimes committed against the European Jews, has presented a suggested “definition” of anti-Jewish prejudice. 
This “working definition of antisemitism” begins plausibly enough, but then turns to focus on almost any critical reference to the Israeli colony. This writer has previously denounced that ‘working definition’. The history, myths and evils of European anti-Jewish racism certainly deserve attention. But racism more broadly stems from imperialism and colonialism. To link criticism of the essentially colonial and racist Israeli regime with anti-Jewish racism is a travesty. 
Tim Anderson
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/the-jews-and-the-zionists

Links embedded in original

Posted by: suzan | Mar 10 2024 1:40 utc | 173

A necessary and particularly insidious form of genocide entails destroying the cultural identity of a people. Destroy the universities, libraries, archives, religious and cultural sites, and for that matter the educated classes. We’ve seen bits of this before: the Nazi treatment of Poland and Russia, the Khmer Rouge treatment of its own population (although to their credit, I guess, they preserved Angkor Wat as a tourist trap and demolished a particularly hideous cathedral); other examples come readily to mind. But never in recent times has the cultural destruction been so thorough and so systematic as what the Zionists are doing in Palestine.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 1:52 utc | 174

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 0:50 utc | 160
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 1:05 utc | 166
What I like about this site is that there are a myriad of views on the topic under discussion. This is due to our host ‘b’ who, as far as I’m aware, very rarely censors posts. We should be thankful that we have a forum like this to express our thoughts (whatever they may be). To say that its ‘Rather useless to hope for a conversation on a site populated mostly by Aspies, trolls, and bots.’ is a disservice to this site and disrespectful to our host.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 1:54 utc | 175

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2024 0:50 utc | 160
Yeah, you got that right.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 1:56 utc | 176

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 1:54 utc | 175
Oh really, yet you’re happy to call me a troll for expressing my opinion? Moralising hypocrite, the worst kind.
And yes, you don’t meet a violent genocidal rabid dog by threatening legal action. You euthanise it. Japan had it coming—and not just for Nanking as we all know—, and so does Israel.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 2:03 utc | 177

I believe that destroying UNRWA also has negative effects on the “Right of Return”. Can anybody verify that?
Posted by: John | Mar 9 2024 23:48 utc | 145
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I’m not sure what is the thrust of your query.
UNRWA was never set up to facilitate Palestinians’ return to Palestine. But at this point eliminating it certainly hastes the elimination of the remaining Palestinian refugees within Occupied Palestine (namely, the Gaza Strip; these people are all refugees) who are kept alive by UNRWA aid and assistance.
Per Ilan Pappe, Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (pp. 235–36) it was Israel that insisted that UNRWA should be separate from the International Rescue Organization.

“In mid-1949, the United Nations stepped in to try to deal with the bitter fruits of its 1947 peace plan. One of the UN’s first misguided decisions was not to involve the International Refugee Organization (IRO) but to create a special agency for the Palestinian refugees. It was Israel and the Zionist organizations abroad that were behind the decision to keep the IRO out of the picture. The IRO was the very same body that was assisting the Jewish refugees in Europe . . . and the Zionist organizations were keen to prevent anyone from making any possible association or even comparison between the two cases. . . . [T]heIRO always recommended repatriation as the first option to which refugees were entitled. . . . [obviously this was antithetical to the Zionists’ plans]
This is how the UN Relief and Work Agency came into being in 1950. The UNRWA was not committed to the return of the refugees as UN General Assembly Resolution 194, from 11 December 1948, had stipulated, but was set up simply to provide employment and subsidies to the approximately one million Palestinian refugees who had ended up in the camps. It was also entrusted with building more permanent camps for them . . .”

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:13 utc | 178

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 2:03 utc | 177
I don’t like using the word troll as it has become a dismissive term. In my response to your original comment I thought it was justified.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 2:25 utc | 179

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 0:40 utc | 157
The ABC report is for the consumption of the citizens of the USA not the rest of the world.
‘How stupid do they think we are?’ – They think you are very stupid.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 10 2024 0:59 utc | 163
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I guess you do, too, Sidd.
Gee, thanks for that explanation! ((;-))
Except, it was published for Australia, not the USA.
And the RoW does see this junk.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:26 utc | 180

Japan had it coming—and not just for Nanking as we all know—, and so does Israel.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 2:03 utc | 177
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I didn’t know that the civilian population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were responsible for the rape of Nanking by the Imperial Japanese Army to the extent that they should be bombed into oblvion (and Japanese cities were also fire-bombed).
Were any polls taken showing that they supported the actions of their army in Nanking?
Certainly polls—and plenty of Twitters videos etc.—have shown that a large majority of Israelis supports the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Gaza and the West Bank and is happy to participate in the violent attacks on Pals in the West Bank.
Please compare and contrast.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:36 utc | 181

“Jacques Pauwals has a very interesting review …of a new book on the Marshall Plan and France.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/americanizing-france-marshall-plan-reconsidered/5851342
Posted by: bevin | Mar 9 2024 20:32 utc | 102
Indeed. Fascinating. Recommend.
All about the machinations of imperialism’s construction of the American empire after WW II.
(Now some 80 years later imperialism battles its nemesis, a polycentric civilizational arising. Wow. All in a lifetime. All the best to the pro-humanity camp.)
~~
“Americanizing France: the Marshall Plan, Reconsidered”
By Jacques Pauwels
Reflections inspired by a new book by Annie Lacroix-Riz, Les origines du plan Marshall: Le mythe de “l’aide” américaine, Armand Colin, Malakoff, 2023.

Posted by: suzan | Mar 10 2024 2:36 utc | 182

Doubling down on rules based international order! No red lines! Even Genocide don’t matter as long as Israel is happy.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240310/there-is-no-red-line-regarding-israeli-actions-in-gaza—biden-1117235997.html

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 10 2024 2:54 utc | 183

Well, B, what is so utterly maddening is that as long as US co occupier/Zionist support Jew Supremacist war crimes, NOTHING will happen to these psychopaths.I
I have repeatedly told folks that what these insane murderous Jew Supremacists do to others, will soon be done to us
BTW, Abu Oneida announced today that 7 Israhelli hostages were killed at the hands of Zionazi bombs.
One wonders when Israhelli’s will wake up and see that their evil gov is targeting their loved ones.
I wonder what will happen once all 2.4 million Palestinians are all dead from starvation and bombing?
Israhell is on its way to a completed GENOCIDE and should suffer to the fullest extent for its crimes.

Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 2:59 utc | 184

Japan had it coming—and not just for Nanking as we all know—, and so does Israel.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 2:03 utc | 177
Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:36 utc | 181
Beware. This line of reasoning leads to the Catholic “Doctrine of Original Sin”.
i.e Every human being not born an innocent slate but defiled by sin from birth.
Guilty by inheritance of crimes against humanity from the dawn of civilisation.
If the innocents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in fact guilty of the Rape of Nanjing then what were the innocents of Nanjing guilty of?
Here we begin to see the imperfections of our “moral framework”.
Or perhaps every misfortune is merely Karma.
Everyone has it coming. There are no innocents.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 3:02 utc | 185

@ Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:13 utc | 178
So in other words, at the behest of Zionist entities, the creation of UNRWA had negative effects on the right of return.
Except if everybody dies due to no aid given, then the destruction of UNWRA renders the right of return meaningless for practical purposes.

Posted by: suzan | Mar 10 2024 3:03 utc | 186

Posted by: Jane | Mar 10 2024 2:36 utc | 181
Polls? Seriously?
Q: Were you aware of the horrific acts perpetrated by your government and military?
A: Kinda
Q: Do you think the enemy are sub-human pests who need to be exterminated?
A: Kinda
Q: Do you think your leaders are mandated by a transcendent ideal to act as they have done by deploying your brave soldiers against the enemy?
A: Kinda
Well, you’re all very naughty. Please don’t do it again.
There is something called objective responsibility. Not knowing (or rather refusing to know) is a willful culpability. Governments and militaries cannot act without a compliant population.
In the immortal words of Clint: “we all got it comin’ kid”.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 3:06 utc | 187

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 3:02 utc | 185
Great minds…

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 3:07 utc | 188

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Mar 9 2024 21:44 utc | 122
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I see a similar experience occurring with secular people.
Seems like low self-esteem + ego leads to all manner of bizarre rationales and belief systems.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 10 2024 3:16 utc | 189

Merz 131 – Yet another documented war crime…….just unreal…murdering an elderly deaf man……the IDF are indeed pure war criminals……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 10 2024 3:21 utc | 190

Clever,
“Nicholas Kristof wrote a humane, sensitive piece for the NYT about the famine (“People are hoping Israel nukes us so we get rid of this pain”). And most of the commenters trashed him. It makes me feel sick inside”
Oh dear. Has no one mentioned that it best not to read or engage in the comment section of NYT, aka Zionist fake rape story central?
It is unfortunate that there are far too many sociopaths in the US.
Please avoid that cesspit in the future for your mental health sake
Peace to you…

Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 3:21 utc | 191

@ Surferket
“Doubling down on rules based international order! No red lines! Even Genocide don’t matter as long as Israel is happy.”
Surferket | Mar 10 2024 2:54 utc | 183
Don’t be fooled. This is imperialism at work. The USG aids and abets genocide as a means to an end, unattainable imv. I think the rabid dog will turn on its master. Just saying.

Posted by: suzan | Mar 10 2024 3:22 utc | 192

Great minds…
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 3:07 utc | 188
I meant to put a question mark behind my last statement.
I do not know the answer. I merely point out that this is a defect in the Western Moral Framework and that perhaps a better framework would be the concept of “Karma”.
However, Karma goes beyond primitive notions of “guilty vs. innocent”.
It is not about guilt or innocence for a particular crime or series of crimes but about the burden of effects from causes initiated by human will.
In this doctrine, nobody is guilty or innocent, merely subject to the effects of their causes or the causes initiated by the collective humanity around them.
Western Moral thought is defective here. Perhaps the Buddhist notion of Karma and Dharma offers a non-Cognitively Dissonant way to the light …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 3:24 utc | 193

Posted by: Zargo | Mar 10 2024 1:32 utc | 170
What are you even referring to there? I didn’t leave comment #11 in this thread and I haven’t said anything about Syria or Russia.
Is your hasbara app experiencing a glitch?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 3:37 utc | 194

Posted by: Zargo | Mar 10 2024 1:32 utc | 170
But since you seem so fixated…Russia began sending aid as early as OCTOBER.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/10/19/russia-says-sending-27-tons-of-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza-a82817
Then again in November.
https://en.sputniknews.africa/20231118/russia-sends-another-30-tons-of-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza-1063619899.html
Furthermore, Russia shouldn’t be thought of alone. BRICS has from very early on condemned what Israel is doing as a genocide. BRICS countries have added to the humanitarian aid being sent, which is confiscated or blocked by the Zionists and/or allowed in at a trickle so slow as to make it mostly meaningless on any sort of scale. Russia is in the middle of a war with NATO in Ukraine, in case you hadn’t noticed.
The USA has assisted Israel directly in the genocide and slow walked any aid to the Gazans.
I really don’t think you have a good grasp on whatever messaging it is that you’re here to promote.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2024 3:45 utc | 195

@RLTW
Trump and Biden are the SAME ZIONIST poodles for ISRAHELL.
A reminder that may be hard to hear for those on either ZIONIST TEAM
Trump moved US Embassy to Jerusalem
Trump GAVE the stolen Golan Heights to Israhell.
Trump assassinated a beloved Iranian General on behalf of Israhell and Bibi.
Trump bragged about stealing Syrian oil, that is shipped to Israhell.
Trump bombed Syria on false pretext provided by Israhell
Trump removed US from MUCH HATED JCPOA aka Iran deal on behalf of
Bibi
Jared Kushner is an EXTREME ZIONIST CHABBADIST cultist, who once had to give up his bedroom as a kid when Bibi came to visit his family
Trump recently made a post on his social media chastising BIDEN FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH FOR ISRAHELL ANF HE WOULD DO MORE.
Wake up, please. Trump is the other cheek on the same ZIONIST
ass!

Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 3:48 utc | 196

@RLTW
Trump and Biden are the SAME ZIONIST poodles for ISRAHELL.
A reminder that may be hard to hear for those on either ZIONIST TEAM
Trump moved US Embassy to Jerusalem
Trump GAVE the stolen Golan Heights to Israhell.
Trump assassinated a beloved Iranian General on behalf of Israhell and Bibi.
Trump bragged about stealing Syrian oil, that is shipped to Israhell.
Trump bombed Syria on false pretext provided by Israhell
Trump removed US from MUCH HATED JCPOA aka Iran deal on behalf of
Bibi
Jared Kushner is an EXTREME ZIONIST CHABBADIST cultist, who once had to give up his bedroom as a kid when Bibi came to visit his family
Trump recently made a post on his social media chastising BIDEN FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH FOR ISRAHELL ANF HE WOULD DO MORE.
Wake up, please. Trump is the other cheek on the same ZIONIST
ass!

Posted by: Kay | Mar 10 2024 3:48 utc | 197

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 20:54 utc | 110
Posted by: teri | Mar 9 2024 20:40 utc | 106
https://atmos.earth/this-genocide-is-about-oil/
<=but it not just oil its about the very gas pipeline that caused the destruction of the russian Nord Stream II pipeline. that is what I have been saying since the genocide started. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfSkLTVXkAAYHOG.jpg
https://greekcitytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/east-med.jpg
this is a map of the pipeline that explains the destruction of Nordstream II gas pipeline
https://www.timesofisrael.com/start-of-leviathan-natural-gas-production-seen-as-major-milestone-for-israel/
one of the largest deep-water natural gas finds in the world, in 2010. The project is the largest funded by private capital in Israel’s history.
Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. and its partners in Leviathan — including Delek Drilling LP, a unit of the Delek Group Ltd., and Ratio Oil Exploration 1992 LP — discovered the field, one of the largest deep-water natural gas finds in the world, in 2010. The project is the largest funded by private capital in Israel’s history.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-bp-teams-up-with-abu-dhabi-state-oil-group-to-buy-50-of-israels-newmed-energy/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81205000/jpg/_81205318_6fea580e-793b-4645-ba91-cfd79a93a95f.jpg
https://greekreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/east-med-pipeline.jpg
Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 9 2024 13:36 utc | 17
The South African government speaks on how it manage to take Israel before the icj. https://youtu.be/k6H-7LskZkI?si=gd6YpTEj1oBu7wnb
who is the very articulate person Neledi Pandor apparently she is speaking for the Liberation movement.. ? I know very little about this .. where can we learn more?
Posted by: Winning | Mar 9 2024 14:46 utc | 27
Israel is always going to win and has enough nukes to do whatever the hell it wants…get used to losing you clowns!!!
Based on what Russia has discovered about Israel’s active anti-russian involvement in support of Ukraine offensives against Russian during the SMO, it might be Russia that helps the ICJ convict Israel of genocide in Gaza. That conviction is important to any one seeking to correct Israel. Nukes or no Nukes, the South African guy and the Yemen guy with there sling shots just might make their point.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2024 17:00 utc | 64
I am unaware of any human with the courage, power, and integrity to stop evil in this world. The battle against evil is eternal.
<= South Africa, Yemen, Malaysia and several others.. what keeps most humans from actively aiding those in distress caused by beast-lead nations is indifference.. those who would act, are unable to get sufficient timely information, and to interactively communicate with others of like mind, making organizing aid or rescues very difficult. Suppression of the means to communicate [a goggle speciality it seems?] as well as imposition of limits on expressive content (rule of law) are the main detriments to organized rescues. @Marvin If the Germans didn't know it’s because they didn't want to know. Same as the Americans today. <=those in control of the states use that authority of the state to make it almost a necessity either illegally or socially<=not to know? Physicians knew the vaccines and intervention treatment protocols were dangerous but administering the protocols were about making money and avoiding keep your job problems. Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2024 19:43 utc | 92 Perhaps what's now occurring will escalate into a Global War Against Extremism -- the Global Majority versus the Outlaw US Empire, UK, and their Zionists brigades. Perhaps that's what must occur to rid the planet of Anti-Humans. <= I think Putin has something like that in mind. but My feeling is the global war on terror should be directed at those officials in government that use the nation state to violate human rights. The 2nd government should govern and have authority over all persons who use a nation state, or any of its power, in any kind of way, to abuse or infringe on human rights any where any how no matter the excuse. IOWs international human right constitutional government is needed, not treaties between nations. These laws should be administered by non state actors to regulate the behaviors of state actors. Global humanity should organize independent of the nation state system, and completely transparent to it, in order to serve the world, and all of humanity, as a second government (The audit government with unlimited authority to investigate and scope limited to enforcing human rights against state actors or against those who use government [like corporations] to accomplish corruption. All corruption is a violation of someone's human rights).

Posted by: snake | Mar 10 2024 4:01 utc | 198

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2024 3:24 utc | 193
Well yes, but reflections on the nature of culpability grapple with this. Sophocles’ OT is the foundation and no end of modern interpretations howl at the idea that Oedipus could be guilty when ‘he did not know’. Liberal individualism wants a heroic individual who owes no obligation to other humans, and for whom there is no link, known or otherwise, between himself and his historical situation. But Oedipus did know or at least he was willfully blind to his historical situation. He was after all ‘magically’ tossed into an autocrat’s seat—best not to ask how that comes about… yet, our hand in crimes is there whether we know it or not. If Oedipus is innocent, then whose blood is it on his hands? And by extension, how can I not be guilty of the deracination of the aboriginal people of Australia when I live on their land, enjoy the fruits of the conquest and continue to push them out of sight and mind?
This passage is worth reading:

“Do you think”, I finally asked—it had become very late— “that that time in Poland taught you anything?”
“Yes,” he said, his voice once again calm and pensive—the increasing abruptness of these repeated metamorphoses becoming ever more disconcerting: “That everything human has its origin in human weakness.”
“You said before that you thought perhaps the Jews were ‘meant’ to have this ‘enormous jolt’: when you say ‘meant to’ – are you speaking of God?”
“Yes.” —“But what is God?”
“God is everything higher which I cannot understand but only believe.”
The awful distortion in his thinking had shown up time after time as we had talked. And now here it was again, as we came to the end of these talks… “Was God in Treblinka?
“Yes,” he said. “Otherwise, how could it have happened?”
“But isn’t God good?”
“No,” he said slowly, “I wouldn’t say that. He is good and bad. But then, laws are made by men; and faith in God too depends on men—so that doesn’t prove much of anything, does it? The only thing is, there are things which are inexplicable by science, so there must be something beyond man. Tell me though, if a man has a goal he calls God, what can he do to achieve it? Do you know?”
“Don’t you think it differs for each man? In your case, could it be to seek truth?”
“Truth?”
“Well, to face up to yourself? Perhaps as a start, just about what you have been trying to do in these past weeks?”
His immediate response was automatic, and automatically unyielding: “My conscience is clear about what I did, myself,” he said, in the same stiffly spoken words he had used countless times at his trial, and in the past weeks, when we had always come back to this subject, over and over again. But this time I said nothing. He paused and waited, but the room remained silent. “I have never intentionally hurt anyone, myself,” he said, with a different, less incisive emphasis, and waited again—for a long time. For the first time, in all these many days, I had given him no help. There was no more time. He gripped the table with both hands as if he was holding on to it. “But I was there,” he said then, in a curiously dry and tired tone of resignation. These few sentences had taken almost half an hour to pronounce. “So yes,” he said finally, very quietly, “in reality I share the guilt… Because my guilt… my guilt… only now in these talks… now that I have talked about it all for the first time…” He stopped. He had pronounced the words “my guilt”: but more than the words, the finality of it was in the sagging of his body, and on his face. After more than a minute he started again, a half-hearted attempt, in a dull voice. “My guilt,” he said, “is that I am still here. That is my guilt.”

Stangl died nineteen hours later, just after noon the next day, Monday, of heart failure. He had seen no one since I left him except a prison officer who had taken the food trolley around… He had not committed suicide. His heart was weak and he would no doubt have died quite soon anyway. But I think he died when he did because he had finally, however briefly, faced himself and told the truth; it was a monumental effort to reach that fleeting moment when he became the man he should have been.

Gitta Sereny, Into That Darkness: A Study in Conscience (New York, 1974), 363-6

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 10 2024 4:08 utc | 199

What’s the bet the usa aid port will be directly built where the highway the Israelis are building to cut Gaza in half corresponds.

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 10 2024 4:13 utc | 200