Israel 'Coerces' UN Workers - By Outright Torturing Them
Every time one thinks that the depravity of Zionist fanatics has finally reached a limit they will proudly present even worse behavior.
UNRWA report says Israel coerced some agency employees to falsely admit Hamas links - Reuters, Mar 9 2024
The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said some employees released into Gaza from Israeli detention reported having been pressured by Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 attacks.
Coerced, pressured, ... Maybe they had a harsh talk?
No. They outright tortured, Abu Graibh like, these UN workers. Some of them to their death:
The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members.
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In addition to the alleged abuse endured by UNRWA staff members, Palestinian detainees more broadly described allegations of abuse, including beatings, humiliation, threats, dog attacks, sexual violence, and deaths of detainees denied medical treatment, the UNRWA report said.
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Reuters could not independently confirm the accounts of coercion of UNRWA staff and mistreatment of detainees, although the allegations of ill-treatment accord with descriptions by Palestinians freed from detention in December, February and March reported by Reuters and other news media.
Remi Brulin @RBrulin - 0:44 UTC · Mar 9, 2024“We tortured some folks” is pretty bad
“We tortured some folk so we could destroy a huge relief organization that’s indispensable in dealing with a huge humanitarian crisis that we created in the first place” is…. something else
What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?
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Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 11:41 utc | 2
They will do nothing.
Therefore they will suffer.
The first round of revenge will be directed against all those 'civilized' white christians in Europe and in the United States. That has already started: look into the statistics of knife attacks, violating women and other 'uncivilized' crimes - the revengers had been sent by the zionists in advance and in the millions to the civilized western countries ...
In the second round Manhattan will be blown away ...
And such destruction of the "civilized" white West, as a revenge by deeply humilated palastinians, arabs and others, will give further joy & happiness to the zionists. They are doing it (the actual torture, genocide etc.) also for that specific longrange purpose.
Posted by: Gerhard | Mar 9 2024 11:42 utc | 3
Interesting how the UN carried out an investigation considering they are refused entry into gaza and Israel. Israel has said they are antisemetic and refused any co- operation . So the report is back in Dec that other media including haaretz debunked , but now the report goes on to new hands that are tied to be given a shred of credibility to spin the record round again . Hasbara holds onto this so dearly for it aids justification of barbarism to Palestinians.
This thread should be interesting as this subject has been well and truly sifted through previously
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 9 2024 11:46 utc | 4
Would any decent person want to live in a racist-fascist-imperialistic state?
When Hitler existed in Germany, would any decent person have wanted to live in the original racist-fascist-imperialistic — i.e., ideologically nazi, meaning genocidally inclined — state?
Jews and their supporters say about the Holocaust, “Never again!” The whole world joins them on that principle. But what does it mean? It means that never again should genocide be allowed to exist, and that anywhere it does exist must be stopped from existing: that state, the genocidal state, must immediately be terminated so that it no longer exists. It means that no ideologically nazi state should be allowed to exist. No nazi state should be allowed to complete the genocide that it is carrying out. Any genocidal state must be promptly terminated.
Q.E.D.: Israel should not be allowed to exist. Israel should not be allowed to complete the genocide that it is carrying out. Israel must be terminated immediately.
Posted by: Peter Pan | Mar 9 2024 11:51 utc | 7
Abolish the state of Israel. Let them all join the surviving nazi and japanese fascist cadre in the US and abolish the apartheid state. Rebuild a unitary non-religious state under the supervision of a global south coalition with funding from asset seizures of western companies that supported Israel.
Posted by: tiago | Mar 9 2024 11:53 utc | 8
Those that are guilty must be punished and punished harshly (life in prison without early release) and, if necessary because they are not immediately brought before a judge, hunted for the rest of their lives.
Oh and Israel delenda est.
But that speaks for itself after all these decades of crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
In reality not much will happen, at least for now but a girl can dream of justice being done.
Posted by: NaomiClareNL | Mar 9 2024 11:55 utc | 9
I just realized that the DNC convention is going to be held in Chicago.
I hope folks recall the '68 DNC convention.
Posted by: John on Kauai | Mar 9 2024 12:23 utc | 10
What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants
This almost seems quaint in the face of today's level of depravity(but very effective), but still, it's interesting how some primitive societies figured out beyond a shadow of a doubt that psychopathy is incurable.
Regarding the Inuits, I always remember Martha Stout's observation from, The Sociopath Next Door...
In northwest Alaska, kunlangeta "might be applied to a man who, for example, repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and does not go hunting, and, when the other men are out of the village, takes sexual advantage of many women." The Inuits tacitly assume that kunlangeta is irremediable. And so, according to Murphy, the traditional Inuit approach to such a man was to insist he go hunting, and then, in the absence of witnesses, push him off the edge of the ice
Posted by: john | Mar 9 2024 12:40 utc | 12
Most Germans living under Hitler could at least claim they didn't know about the atrocities going on in their country.
Posted by: Marvin | Mar 9 2024 12:43 utc | 13
The multi-polar world led by Russia and China engage in hand waving and do nothing to relieve the suffering of the people of Gaza. Meanwhile the US and its Arab friends air drop food and medicine, and now is preparing to build a sea corridor and floating port to bring in supplies.
No one ever talks about why Egypt refuses to allow aid through its controlled border crossings—Maybe because Egypt has been at war with the Muslim Brotherhood since its Gazan branch (the predecessor of Hamas) assassinated Sadat and Hamas controls the Gazan side of the border.
The US with its EU friends once again demonstrates it is indispensable to peace.
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 9 2024 13:13 utc | 14
Meanwhile Russia (through its Wagner group) promotes and aids the Rapid Support Forces in the rape of Sudan and the creation of a humanitarian crises in Sudan that will make the deaths in Gaza simply a prelude to mass death across Sudan.
Of course this is the Russian strategic asymmetrical warfare and like all wars utilizing jihadi ideology mass deaths of civilians is expected.
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 9 2024 13:21 utc | 15
This is the evidence the White House and the EU rely on to justify defunding UNRWA? They want the Palestinians to starve but can't say so openly. We saw the same behavior with the use of sanctions against Iraq in the 1990's. Regime change was "worth the price" to kill 500,000 Iraqi children.
Posted by: Edward Q | Mar 9 2024 13:35 utc | 16
The South African government speaks on how it manage to take Israel before the icj.
https://youtu.be/k6H-7LskZkI?si=gd6YpTEj1oBu7wnb
Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 9 2024 13:36 utc | 17
Zarge does really try hard to change the subject and distract from the Genocide he gleefully supports. It’s not working.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 13:37 utc | 18
Our Crusaders survived a few hundred years down there and had to leave, so will these lot or some of them maybe. If it’s up to me I’d leave them for the Arabs/Persians to sort out permanently. I don’t want any Israelite in my country, or in Europe and no sensible American should want any more Jews.
It was hard beating the Ottomans just to give Palestine to some Jews from Eastern Europe and it was hard enough to be rid of them even after all that. The Jew should compensate us British for 75 years rent free living and we should compensate the Palestinians in return.
Posted by: Jeff A | Mar 9 2024 13:58 utc | 19
Most Germans living under Hitler could at least claim they didn't know about the atrocities going on in their country.
Posted by: Marvin | Mar 9 2024 12:43 utc | 13
The same goes for UK people concerning Dresden, US concerning Hiroshima and Nagasaki and former CCP people concerning Gulag. Regards.
Posted by: Roberto | Mar 9 2024 14:03 utc | 20
"What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?"
Good luck finding civilised leaders in the Christian Colonial West. The original sponsors of the Jewish "Homeland" US & UK, are fully on board with the genocide. And now Genocide Joe is laughing up his sleeve by dropping half a truckload of aid from an aeroplane a couple of times a day - while several hundred truckloads of aid are waiting in Egypt for permission to enter Gaza.
The so-called West is run by greedy unscrupulous jew$lave$ who would sell their grandmothers (and We The People) for a bag of shekkels.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 9 2024 14:14 utc | 22
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2024-03-01/corbyn-british-public-smeared-gaza/
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2024-03-07/antisemitism-shield-israel-genocide/
Apologies to b and others if these articles by Jonathan Cook have already been linked in previous threads.
I link them because it seems to me to underline my belief that Sunak’s hysterical “emergency” speech, made shortly after Galloway’s victory, is a clear indication of fear - the howling rictus of Western elites who are beginning to understand how precarious their hold on power is. I know here in the US the idea of a general strike is completely alien, but I wonder if the British people are capable of making it happen?
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 9 2024 14:17 utc | 23
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2024-03-01/corbyn-british-public-smeared-gaza/
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2024-03-07/antisemitism-shield-israel-genocide/
Apologies to b and others if these articles by Jonathan Cook have already been linked in previous threads.
I link them because it seems to me to underline my belief that Sunak’s hysterical “emergency” speech, made shortly after Galloway’s victory, is a clear indication of fear - the howling rictus of Western elites who are beginning to understand how precarious their hold on power is. I know here in the US the idea of a general strike is completely alien, but I wonder if the British people are capable of making it happen?
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 9 2024 14:17 utc | 24
To answer the question:
Do NOT look away in disgust, look right at them in disgust!
By "them" i mean those who do, those who assist and those who defend.
Posted by: Pfeilchen | Mar 9 2024 14:21 utc | 25
The Christian Colonial Cuntries are probably waiting for the jews to do something even more heartlessly disgusting than their own crimes in the Colonial Era. And when they do, Obama will step up to the plate and recomend that "Israel" be nominated for the Nobel Piece Prize.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 9 2024 14:31 utc | 26
Remember when you clowns thought the entire Muslim World was mobilizing for war to destroy Israel because of the poor Palestinians?
Or that your silly protests were going to stop the conquering IDF?
Your Revenge-Porn fantasies failed to materialize in the real world(AGAIN)…heheheh…
Israel is always going to win and has enough nukes to do whatever the hell it wants…get used to losing you clowns!!!
Posted by: Winning | Mar 9 2024 14:46 utc | 27
Israel delenda est.
But that speaks for itself after all these decades of crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
In reality not much will happen, at least for now but a girl can dream of justice being done.
Posted by: NaomiClareNL | Mar 9 2024 11:55 utc | 9
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In connection with a portion of the earlier Palestine thread and the role of Britain and the UN in facilitating the birth of the monster that is Israel (and not, as had been stating, "giving up because they could not control Zionist terrorists"), see
Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, pp. 91--92:
"The Urbicide of Palestine"The confidence the Jewish command in early April [1948] had in their capcity not only to take over, but also to cleanse the areas the U:N had granted to the Jewish state, can be gauged from the way, immediately after Operation Nachshon [sudden massive expulsions of villages, including Deir Yassin], they turned their attention to the major urban centers of Palestine. These were systematically attacked throughout the rest of the month, as UN agents and British officials stood by and watched indifferently. The offensive against the urban centers began with Tiberias. . . ."
Will the UN now stand up for its workers and finally apologize to the rest of the world for the monster that just 57 member states created with Resolution 181?
In the analysis of Dr. Ralph Wilde, an expert in international law at University Colllege London, it has zero legal validity in international law.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 9 2024 14:47 utc | 28
"Zarge does really try hard to change the subject and distract from the Genocide he gleefully supports. It’s not working."
Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 13:37 utc | 18
Yes, Zargo is a lazy wee troll. Zargo, you really need to up your game. Nobody in the bar takes trolls seriously unless they make the effort to be the first or second post of the day. Really, it's disrespectful. Put a bit more welly into it or we'll have to report you to Integrity Initiative for being a slacker and possibly a Putin sympathizer. Right, off you go with a warning...
Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 9 2024 15:05 utc | 29
Their God turned his back on them before, I guess they insist on repeating their transgressions.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 9 2024 15:08 utc | 30
This remake
This remake of the old bloody Romans movie will end up like the original version. As one lucid thinker said "history is a dry mummy of itself".
Again and again we see that the presence of the satanic in the world is a constant, and its origin is clear: a fusion of our ape-like brains with identity-stirring narrative fantasies. Zionism is one more example of this general rule since the time of Thutmose III and Tiglath-Pileser III.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 9 2024 15:16 utc | 31
Israel distributed leaflets to Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, wishing them a happy Ramadan while simultaneously issuing threats.
The leaflets warned against "attempting, thinking, inciting, or writing anything against Israel, or taking part in protests or events."
Additionally, they ordered the Palestinians "not to mention anything" about the resistance, Hamas, or Jihad, or even "pray for them," threatening them that failure to comply would result in their families being denied permits.
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1766268113606082793?s=20
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 15:25 utc | 32
History is not a slave to the short-term adrenaline rush of blood-lust. If that were not so then your first cousin Adolf wouldn't have made so many foolish mistakes after his first successes.
Nukes won't do much good if they are smashed before lift-off.
But you already know that.
And you also know if Israel gets a Nuke in the air, then Israel is finished.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 9 2024 15:26 utc | 33
When Israelis cross one red line, they draw and cross another.
Posted by: CIROC | Mar 9 2024 15:29 utc | 34
Where is this civilized world? Where I live we practice ritual child mutilation. Any un-woke who dare criticize such out loud will have their civic and social life terminated and risk legal consequences.
Any who would give their own children to demonic surgeons will gladly kill the other. If the death is elaborate and creative so much the better.
If I were not plain old I'd not dare even say this much.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 9 2024 15:29 utc | 35
"Civilized people"? Who are those at this age and time?
Posted by: Steve | Mar 9 2024 15:34 utc | 36
What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?
Bomb them to stoneage. Why is still no one doing this is beyond me.
Posted by: mspl | Mar 9 2024 15:37 utc | 37
@Marvin
If the Germans didn’t know it’s because they didn’t want to know. Same as the Americans today.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 9 2024 15:42 utc | 38
oldhippie,
It’s not just in the Bay Area that genocide is gleefully supported
For example : the doctors at the Bellevue Hospital near Seattle are proudly flying the genocide flag outside the main entry. Hippocrate oath be damned.
FYI - Bellevue is home of Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos among other American worthies.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 15:48 utc | 39
@Marvin
If the Germans didn’t know it’s because they didn’t want to know. Same as the Americans today.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 9 2024 15:42 utc | 38
The evidence is overwhelming, including the Lady McBeth denials, that most Germans knew full well what the Nazis were doing.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 9 2024 15:29 utc | 35
The exact same people who set up the Ukraine War, who are ethnic cleansing, are the ones that have hobbled the American people, via the Qisling Government in DC. Old age is freedom, you have little left to lose. My personal decision was to quit funding government, pull my horns in, let the exponential Debt metastasize.
I don't believe the Upper Caste will survive their exit from their bunkers.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 9 2024 15:53 utc | 40
Same thing will be coming to the EU and five eyes nations, just like Gilad Atzmon said (we're all Palestinians).
As I've mentioned before, there is talk that Finland is planning to put automated gun turrets on its border just like Israel has around Gaza. Turrets that will shoot anyone approaching in the head without confirmation from any human operator. And they're not pointed towards Russia, but back into Finland to keep the goys in.
Posted by: Michael A | Mar 9 2024 15:54 utc | 41
My first car in 1974 had a 60 mile range on a tank of gas. And we could only fill up on alternate days. I had to sleep at my job 60 miles from home. And there were still long lines for gas.
Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Posted by: Bagration | Mar 9 2024 15:54 utc | 42
Thanks for the report b.
The depth of depravity is the abyss coming into view.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 9 2024 16:00 utc | 44
Thanks for the video of the South African minister.
Maybe it is time to mention that the Global South delegations at the ICJ counted MUCH MORE women than the Western ones. 'Hope that some here will reflect on that.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 16:10 utc | 45
"What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?"
Seems the Israelis themselves are paving the way for their inevitable destruction. As always.
Posted by: MoT | Mar 9 2024 16:10 utc | 46
Israel delenda est and I'd say a Nuremberg trial for the entire political elite and their abettors. The average Israeli needs a clear lesson on wages of Zionazism, so we can truly say once and for fucking all: never again.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 9 2024 16:12 utc | 47
The massacre of Gazans is simply horrifying. I'm stuck living in a nightmare, wide awake with my eyes open. And there does not seem to be anything I can do about it.
Nicholas Kristof wrote a humane, sensitive piece for the NYT about the famine ("People are hoping Israel nukes us so we get rid of this pain"). And most of the commenters trashed him. It makes me feel sick inside.
Today I will pray for the Palestinians. What else can I do?
May you all be well and have peace.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 9 2024 16:17 utc | 49
A recent UN report 16-pages long, records 24,300 new Israeli housing units in the occupied West Bank during a one-year period through to end-October 2023. The figure reportedly marks the highest on record since monitoring began back in 2017.
Posted by: AI | Mar 9 2024 16:20 utc | 50
John Stuart Mill: “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”
There is a glaring deficiency in the world order which illegally created both the Palestinian non-state and the Israeli illegal state, now standing by helplessly watching the fruits of its geopolitical miscegenation ripen.
'Evil' will continue to grow and flourish unless checked or, even better, not encouraged in the first place, which is done via the agency of good civilization comprising both institutional and ethical architecture fostering good individual and collective mores.
Meanwhile, consider the current election dynamic in the US wherein all major candidates are staunch supporters of Israel’s ethnic cleansing. Trump, for example, recently said 'they should finish the job'. Anglin at Unz.com argues that Trump has done a deal with Israel and because of the loyalty he commands amongst military aged white men, he is best positioned to lead the US into a war in the Middle East. https://www.unz.com/aanglin/a-total-reevaluation-of-the-2024-election/
Let us hope the Article 6 initiative in the UN makes headway, wherein a member state can be ejected if they violate core charter principles. (I heard about this on that Muslim American's youtube channel but cannot find any mention of it in News articles, though am generally a lousy internet searcher).
Absent this initiative, it doesn't seem that much will be done, and given the Israeli hold on the US Body Politic, the chances of the US withholding support are minimal and of the US furthering kinetic escalation are relatively maximal. If the US crumples from within things might change, but too late for the Palestinians.
What civilized ppl to do with them?
Arm them and provide diplomatic cover ofc
Posted by: A.z | Mar 9 2024 16:26 utc | 52
Posted by: AI | Mar 9 2024 16:20 utc | 50
Those 24,300 new housing units will make good homes for Palestinians after the Axis of Resistance defeats the Jewish army.
Posted by: Chas | Mar 9 2024 16:29 utc | 53
Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 11:36 utc | 1
Exile basically already had my response to this, that they aren't doing it Abu Graibh like, but Abu was Zionist like.
Posted by: Rhymerez | Mar 9 2024 16:32 utc | 54
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 9 2024 13:13 utc | 14
>”No one ever talks about why Egypt refuses to allow aid through its controlled border crossings
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Zarg baby, No worries, I’ll talk about it. That you are shilling for the entity, is indisputable. Maybe the scars of genocide are severing your frontal cortex. Did you forget that the crossing was bombed by the entity to stop the aid? Or, perhaps you live in a different reality.
>”The US with its EU friends once again demonstrates it is indispensable to peace. “
I don’t know to laugh or cry at this uttering. Peace. Yeah, right. I’m sure you mean “lasting” peace, “durable” peace, “permanent” peace.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 9 2024 16:33 utc | 55
"When Hitler existed in Germany, would any decent person have wanted to live in the original racist-fascist-imperialistic — i.e., ideologically nazi, meaning genocidally inclined — state?"
Considering back then Germany was the homeland of the Germans, I don't see people noticing "racism".
As far as genocide, that didn't happen in Germany. The vast majority of Germans knew nothing. Unlike Israel where they elected a genocidal government. They fully understand "the chosen people" and the cattle goy. Far worse than the average German citizen back in the day.
Posted by: MikeB | Mar 9 2024 16:40 utc | 56
Posted by: Chas | Mar 9 2024 16:29 utc | 52
You think that's possible without going nuclear first? And then an empty dessert! Zionism is not easy to defeat.
Posted by: AI | Mar 9 2024 16:40 utc | 57
"Miscreants," that is too nice a word for what is being discribed.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Mar 9 2024 16:49 utc | 58
Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 9 2024 15:05 utc | 29
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Thanks for the laugh. I needed that today.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2024 16:53 utc | 59
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 9 2024 16:33 utc | 54
Yeah Israel bombed Hamas at the border crossing months ago. What trucks enter the Strip enter through the crossing. Egypt limits the number of trucks to deprive Hamas from control of humanitarian aid. The same reason Jordan and the US are doing the air drops.
Meanwhile Russia’s closest ally in the region does nothing. Russia with aero units within minutes of flight time to the strip do nothing.
The multipolar world engages in legal mambo-jumbo while allowing Israel to finish off the jihadi terrorist who have controlled Gaza.
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 9 2024 16:53 utc | 60
Just a little reminder that b has been on point for some time.
Recently I wrote:
Zionism is an ideology that is based on racial discrimination. It is thereby, like antisemitism, a form of racism and racism is hardly ever a base of peace.
It seems that a bunch of Zionist rabbis agree with that statement.
Haaretz: Top rabbis move to forbid renting homes to Arabs, say 'racism originated in the Torah'
A number of leading rabbis who signed on to a religious ruling to forbid renting homes to gentiles – a move particularly aimed against Arabs – defended their decision on Tuesday with the declaration that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews.
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"We don't need to help Arabs set down roots in Israel," Rabbi Shlomo Aviner of the Beit El settlement, said on Tuesday. Aviner explained that he supported the move for two reasons: one, a Jew looking for an apartment should get preference over a gentile; and two, to keep the growing Arab population from settling too deeply. "Racism originated in the Torah," said Rabbi Yosef Scheinen, who heads the Ashdod Yeshiva. "The land of Israel is designated for the people of Israel. This is what the Holy One Blessed Be He intended and that is what the [sage] Rashi interpreted."
A bunch of east Europeans steal Arab land based on old fairytales and pure racism. They even acknowledge it. This should not be supported in any way. Yes, people differ and differing cultures may live in different ways. But racism used as justification for crimes is a crime in itself and should be punished.
These Rabbis are public employees of the state of Israel. Their opinions are official policy. Fortunately history tells us that such fascism seldom survives. Racist people tend to devour their own:
"The neighbors and acquaintances [of a Jew who sells or rents to an Arab] must distance themselves from the Jew, refrain from doing business with him, deny him the right to read from the Torah, and similarly [ostracize] him until he goes back on this harmful deed," the letter reads.
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A few commenters whose names you may recognize:
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Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 1 2013 15:39 utc | 61
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 9 2024 16:54 utc | 61
Marvin @ 13, & Fred777 @ 38
Or maybe the Germans didn't know about the atrocities because maybe Hitler didn't really do all that???
Maybe the bulk of it was afterwar propaganda created by the war winners much like the propaganda that is being created today.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Mar 9 2024 16:59 utc | 62
"What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?"
"Civilization" is not a moral category, merely a level of social complexity.
Posted by: lester | Mar 9 2024 16:59 utc | 63
"What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?"
I suggest implementing Israeli law regarding genocide. After that, bury the bodies of the convicted.
Posted by: Human | Mar 9 2024 17:00 utc | 64
Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 9 2024 16:17 utc | 49
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Prayer is all most of us can do and there is no shame in that.
I am unaware of any human with the courage, power, and integrity to stop evil in this world. The battle against evil is eternal.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2024 17:00 utc | 65
Of course there were the remote Schlundenscheisser who knew nothing about the Nazi torture/execution regime — but then, those were people who’d never met a Jew or a communist all their lives.
But the great majority had more than an inkling of what was going on.
I remember a presentation by Wolfgang Wippermann (who could never get a tenured position in Germoney because he kept exposing the Nazi pasts of so many Germ academics) about the “wilde Konzentrationslager” that existed in every Germ town of consequence in the mid-1930s while the major camps were still under construction. Berlin had almost 200 of them. Wippermann showed us outraged letters written to the local NSDAP authorities. Were the people outraged by the brutality? No, they were outraged that the sound of torture and murder was irritating when they were trying to work or sleep or entertain guests.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 9 2024 17:00 utc | 66
Posted by: lester | Mar 9 2024 16:59 utc | 62
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Brilliantly defined.
Western Chauvinism has led many people to believe that material and technological wealth implies a level of moral excellence.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2024 17:05 utc | 67
b wrote
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"No. They outright tortured, Abu Graibh like, these UN workers. Some of them to their death:"
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"What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?"
Good of you to bring this out of the darkness.
Well, I could offer a suggestion but we are not permitted to answer such question. Suffice to say the ZioFanatics have, by themselves, cancelled their Victimhood Card.
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 9 2024 17:06 utc | 68
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 9 2024 16:53 utc | 59
Yeah Israel bombed Hamas at the border crossing months ago. What trucks enter the Strip enter through the crossing. Egypt limits the number of trucks to deprive Hamas from control of humanitarian aid.
May I recommend a logic-o-helper to help you through this?
First, it was that Egypt did not allow aid. Now, it’s that you agree the crossing was bombed. But wait, it’s Egypt that limits the number of trucks — not the bombing — that has hampered those terrorists that reside in Gaza.
Back to the depth of follicles, you barflea. Done conversing with you.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 9 2024 17:11 utc | 69
I’m assuming the UN has filed a complaint to the ICC for criminal prosecution to ensue….
Waiting……
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 9 2024 17:11 utc | 70
what civilized people are you referring to,
B. The American ruling caste that is providing the thousand kilo bombs killing them? The British sucking on the hind tit of US power? The German ruling caste from Nazi families?
The White West has declared war on the multicolored peoples and powers of the world and the Zionists killing and torturing the Palestinian families is a public exhibit of what this entails.
Posted by: untermench | Mar 9 2024 17:12 utc | 71
https://aje.io/zbuy5m?update=2761014
Courageous people can move mountains...
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 17:15 utc | 72
@Marvin
If the Germans didn’t know it’s because they didn’t want to know. Same as the Americans today.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 9 2024 15:42 utc |
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Sure. Of course all Germans had TVs and telephones and cell phones.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 9 2024 17:16 utc | 73
@ 10 "The whole world is watching". I remember it well.
Posted by: par4 | Mar 9 2024 12:35 utc | 11
Yup, watching and doing nothing.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 9 2024 17:23 utc | 74
MikeB | 55
malenkov | 65
Jane | 72
Don't excuse the Germans so readily, neither the populations of Europe. Starting with Reichskristallnacht and the Judengesetze (yellow stars and all), everyone knew the Jews were targeted. In pretty much every larger town and city in Europe Jews were dispossessed, expulsed and driven to train stations. You can read the Stuermer and Mein Kampf, none of that is really hidden. You can argue that slavery until death in the East isn't death camps but that's about as far as you can argue. Everyone know total war does not mean feeding POWs or "Volksfeinde" compared openly to insects.
It's hard to move out several hunded thousand people without someone noticing, same for distributing their possessions to party members.
Police and municipal officers were required, they knew too.
While it is true that the death camps were far east, work camps were in pretty much every small town. "Dora Mittelbau" with over 10.000 dead was right in the middle of Germany. Starting with Polish POWs some were worked to death pretty early. T4 and other campaigns against "Lebensunwerte" were open enough that Kardinal von Galen openly preached against.
Posted by: SOS | Mar 9 2024 17:25 utc | 75
What are civilized people supposed to do? Well, they can start by boycotting all Israeli and American products for the next 75 years.
Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Mar 9 2024 17:30 utc | 76
SoS
Indeed working camps started as early as 1934 all over the territory. Jews, communists and socialists were first targeted and could be seen beaten or arrested after denunciations in every city. Farmers and industries near the camps could get free labour force and used them for years, till they died of exhaustion and the diseases at the camps usually.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 9 2024 17:43 utc | 77
The unheard-off killing of starving Gazans by dropping aid parcels over them is concealing another Zionist ruse. Israel is getting its poodle US army (1,000 servicemen involved) to build a maritime pier, supposedly intended to deliver food aid from the sea.
No reason is given as to why the Rafah crossing is not simply opened, which would instantly get aid inside Gaza
Instead, the US army poodle is building a pier that will be utilised to provide Israel with another two months of genocidal PR spinning.
On a medium term, it will also be used by the research and exploration vessels commissioned by Israel to drill and sample the seabed off the Gaza coast to identify and map its natural gas fields, part of the giant Levant reserve. Israel intends to then pump this gas towards Egypt, which has the shortest distance to Europe though Italy, and then channel and distribute this gas in Europe in replacement for Russian gas.
Finally, this pier is designed to also be utilised to evacuate Gazans, when and if Israel decides to increase the level of its bombing (with US ordinance). Obliging European Zionist poodles would no doubt send vessels to “save” Gazans from bombing and complete the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
This interpretation of Genocide Joe’s “humanitarian” sea bridge is all over the Arab press; not everybody is as stupid as the Western MSM.
Posted by: iris | Mar 9 2024 17:53 utc | 78
Remember, the head of the Auschwitz camp had his testicles crushed before "confessing" that "millions" were killed in the camp.
Posted by: greg | Mar 9 2024 17:57 utc | 79
Naledi Pandor states that South Africa will arrest all South African citizens currently fighting for the IDF upon their return:
https://youtu.be/Qf7tNt1h0Ho?si=EMfLcBaAqY_8ELyt
That pretty much seals it as a done deal.
Even if the State chickens out the sizeable and powerful Muslim community in s.a will do the rest.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 9 2024 17:58 utc | 80
Yup, watching and doing nothing.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 9 2024 17:23 utc | 73
I believe they'll watch and do nothing when the second Jewish Shoah rolls around as it inevitably will.
Apathy is a double edged sword ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 9 2024 18:01 utc | 81
to believe that material and technological wealth implies a level of moral excellence.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2024 17:05 utc | 66
Which is how the Nazis managed to rise so far.
And why they're allowed to rise to this day ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 9 2024 18:05 utc | 82
Is the Rafah crossing open and allowing truck loads of food and medicine into Gaza?
If not, then its yet another war crime from the IDF, as millions of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are being starved to death...........just like Brits genocide against the Irish in 1845-1850 when millions were starved to death as the Brits exported food stuffs from Ireland.......
The IDF has no boundaries for cruelty and inhumanity........just like the Brits....
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 9 2024 18:36 utc | 83
push him off the edge of the ice
Posted by: john | Mar 9 2024 12:40 utc
In the Inuit written and produced movie "The Naked Runner", the punishment for such crimes is lifelong banishment from the group, which essentially means a fairly quick death. This was decided by the elders in a very open discussion with all present. I find this more believable than a hidden process. Of course, vigilantism happens everywhere.
For Israel, isolation, prosecution of war crimes and being a pariah in eyes of the world is bare minimum IMHO.
Posted by: Third Chimp | Mar 9 2024 18:37 utc | 84
The IDF has deliberately targeted the Gaza Civil Police.
They have murdered the Civil Police on sight.
Yet another IDF war crime, and the list just keeps on growing.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 9 2024 18:39 utc | 85
iris | Mar 9 2024 17:53 utc | 77
Another "humanitarian" reason will be to allow US arms and soldiers to be landed from Cyprus, ie using the same route that the meagre supplies will come from. Cyprus is THE major logistics center for sending arms to Israel, but larger military vehicles and heavy ammunition must be brought in by ship.
Secondly, a bit later on, when there are enough American and NATO forces there it will allow the regrouping and concentration of IDF forces to attack Lebanon. (They will not be "boots on the ground" but probably be wearing red high-heeled shoes as is often seen).
Thirdly they will then use the "humanitarian" food supplied and the threat of starvation of Gazan families, to blackmail the male survivors to join an anti-Palestine (terrorist) group. As they do already in the Al-Tanf area to form terrorists for use against the Syrians. (Which is the reason for keeping Al-Tanf).
Fourthly, as you say they are there for the OIL.
Fifthly, they may say that all the crossings (Gaza-Israel) Will be shut, and ALL "Humanitarian" aid has to be accepted-rejected by the Zionists who wll check each cargo in Cyprus - away from the press or independent viewing.
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Note that the US, UK and Dutch, Spanish and Italians are already reconnoitering Herzbollah positions to enable an attack. This is one part of the "end-game" the're setting up. (Ever since the Beirut explosion or the bombing of Hariri they have been trying to eliminate the majority of the population in Lebanon. => Herzbollah and the Muslims.) Usually the Israelis try to blast Lebanese infrastructure every four or five years, but we seem to be overdue for the next round).
Note as well that the 15 (I think) Radar watchtowers already set up by the UK along the Syrian-Lebanese border may be increased to form a line between Herzbollah/Syrian/Israeli territory. At least that is what has been proposed.
I just finished Rashid Khalidi's The Hundred Years War on Palestine. Although copyright 2020, it feels that much was written in 2017. He stated then that a long term goal of israel was to abolish the UNRWA including in Lebanon and Jordan. The rapid response (force) that had usOfa, france, germany, etc all calling for it's defunding within days of the unvetted israeli allegations illuminates the high degree of massive propaganda we suffer under.
Silly me, I believe I should have read The Iron Cage: The Story of the Palestinian Struggle for Statehood first. The memory hole of 100,000 brutal Brutish troops in 36-39 against the Palestinians and training the Zionist newcomers is a critical flaw.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 9 2024 19:01 utc | 87
King Bb | Mar 9 2024 18:54 utc | 86
"your impotent rage put a smile on my face"
It is one of just sheer disgust on my face.
The same goes for UK people concerning Dresden, US concerning Hiroshima and Nagasaki and former CCP people concerning Gulag. Regards.
Posted by: Roberto | Mar 9 2024 14:03 utc | 20
The British saw Dresden as revenge for Coventry which was nowhere near the same scale.
Lots of ahistorical stuff in the
thread today.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 9 2024 19:29 utc | 90
What are civilized people supposed to do with these miscreants?
Nuke the fuckers from orbit.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 9 2024 19:35 utc | 91
Essentially, the world is faced with the specter of several million Hannibal Lectors who are mostly concentrated in one place, while others reside in the former or current Colonial nations where such extremism was and is used as a tool. Given polling results, Zionists confess to collectively wanting/enabling this Genocide and are thus guilty as charged. As with b, we're left with his question, what "to do with these miscreants?" Their own tome says they merit what they're trying to do--Genocide: An Eye for an Eye. History records many "cleansing events" in Palestine over the last 3,000 years with the Zionists attempting another. Most Pro-Human people are at a loss when confronted with the actions of so many Anti-Humans--the shock to the senses is massive and the initial impulse is to shun knowing what's happening. That's easy to do when the event's quickly over, but in this case it's dragged on for 5 months and the horrors only increase as the depravity unleashed can no longer be hidden.
And we're still confronted with what to do. As exemplified by "King Bb" above, there's no reasoning with psychokillers--millions of Hannibal Lectors. The several nations capable of defeating the Zionist military won't try and thus have failed their Genocidal Convention duty. Those capable of turning off their economic abetting of the Genocide have failed also. No wonder things like "King Bb" take pleasure in sneering at the inability of Pro-Humans to halt the Zionist's Anti-Human actions--the Glee of the Psycho Serial Killer displayed for the world to see.
Perhaps what's now occurring will escalate into a Global War Against Extremism--the Global Majority versus the Outlaw US Empire, UK, and their Zionists brigades. Perhaps that's what must occur to rid the planet of Anti-Humans.
The limitation of alleged IDF power is that it is 100% dependent on the United States; take that away, and it is a whole different game. The problem is that Israel is essentially the enemy of the US. OK, it is a supposed "ally," which, like a lot of other so-called "allies," tries constantly to sic the US on whomever it deems its enemy, but it is quite clear that not only are the interests of Israel and the US different, but they are also diametrically opposed. Israel is an expansionist nationalist entity which has only ever used the US for its own purposes and from which the US has never benefitted one iota. Israel simply drives up costs and drains resources away from the US. In the past, the smallness of Israel enabled this to be masked, but no more.
If the US did what was in its own actual self interest, it would use its power to make Gaza a no-fly zone for the Israeli air force, and if necessary send troops to cordon off the Gaza Strip from Israel. Obviously, no such move is contemplated now, but even the proposed construction of a temporary seaport, if it ever happens, is a violation of Israel's claims to sovereign control over Gaza. The US could also announce that no one would be again ejected out of their homes ever, period. More modestly, it could simply force the aid from Egypt across the border into Gaza in despite of Israel. If US relief workers were sent in, Israel would risk outraging the US if they dared to attack them. Even though none of this is in prospect yet, it might become so eventually, just as France under De Gaulle turned on its own settlers in Algeria when they had become fanatical terrorists against the native population.
As for the nuclear business, it is always a danger no matter who has the nukes. In Israel's case, from its side, it could be almost completely annihilated by a single bomb, or at most two. Even a high electromagnetic pulse could fry all electric circuitry, leading to a demographic disaster. While there is no sign that any nuclear power would deploy nuclear weapons against Israel, the possibility cannot be entirely excluded. Also, that is now, but in the future the possibility that enemies angered by Israel's thievery and mass murder may acquire weapons to nuke Israel cannot be completely dismissed.
On the other hand, it does appear that Israel has nuclear weapons. These clearly constitute a direct threat to the US and should be recognized and treated by the US as such. The likelihood of future hostility between the US and Israel should not be ignored. Israel's nuclear weapons are much more of a threat to distant countries than they are to Israel's neighbors, because those people whom Israel would most like to annihilate are too close, such that the explosions would likely damage Israel and kill Israelis as well. Even though Israel has shown that it doesn't really care about killing its own people as well.
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 9 2024 19:52 utc | 93
kupke @ 40
We probably agree about a lot of things. Distinctions can be made.
The woke who embrace child mutilation are all middle class Democrats. A short time ago these same persons were boring, banal, average. Now they are invested in the most radical social and medical experiment ever imagined. What happened?
Yes, it is mostly the same people cheering for Zelensky, razing Gaza, castrating their sons. Distinctions. A noticeable group of the young say they support Palestine. They are not afraid to say so out loud. Same youngsters are wholly uninformed and will refuse to be informed. Same young also support Ukraine and are fervent supporters of woke. I am in Chicago. We have more Poles than Warsaw. Every East European group is well represented here. They of course hate Russia and still refer to them as Soviet Communists. Nevertheless the group that is most seized of Ukraine is the Jews. It has been two years now and they are not tired of it yet. Many local Ukrainians have given it up for lost, the Jews are full speed ahead. The verbiage has gone from communists to savages to beasts to vermin. The exterminate eradicate kill them all venom is more and more open.
I'll fully agree with you about one thing. If the lords and masters do head to the bunkers their bodyguards and mercenaries will quickly kill them off as useless eaters.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 9 2024 19:55 utc | 94
Posted by: SOS | Mar 9 2024 17:25 utc | 74
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I am not in need of the lecture!
Americans have enjoyed being self-righteous toward the Germans for the past 76 years (constant accusatory questioning in every g.d. context: "What did you know???"), while blithely assuming that life in Germany in the 1920s was as tranquil as life in the USA in 1950s and '60s.
The language of "letting the Germans off the hook" says it all.
That obnoxious assumption of superiority to the Germans.
Who are you to judge the Germans? Who are you to wield that "hook"?
I have always known that when their feet were put to the same fire as that to which they have gleefully put German feet, Americans would fail utterly. I am being proved right. I also question the constant reference to German Nazis when talking about Palestine. The Zionists had their own program of ethnic cleansing and genocide and it predated the Nazis'. The Eastern European political Zionists were fascists on their very own hook. Many of the leaders, such as Trumpeldor, arrived in Palestine shortly after WW1, eager for conflict with the local Palestinians, eager to eliminate them. Furthermore, it could be said that the most comparable event to what is now transpiring in Gaza was the siege of Leningrad, or the sadistic firebombing of Dresden and other cities by the British and Americans. Of course those events don't even rise to consciousness because the victims were civilian Russians/Germans.
At least (most of) the Germans understood---at the very latest when they started to grasp the reality of the T-4 program (despite its being kept secret)--- that they were living in a totalitarian state and could do little about anything. Unlike Americans, who either do not think we live in a totalitarian society and still do nothing, or do realize we live in an increasingly totalitarian society and still do nothing. Especially those commenting on this board. I am the only one I am aware of who is actually protesting every Sunday on the local intersection.
What do you expect the Germans to have done?
Vote Hitler out of office?
Of course there were many committed Nazis sand racists in the German population. However, it must be noted that the totalitarian system, and Gleichschaltung, enabled a relatively small number of active Party members to control the whole population.
OTOH, many Germans sheltered and otherwise helped both Jewish Germans and dissidents in various ways, at great danger to themselves.
My question to you, Sir SOS:
What are you doing to stop the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinians by your own govt?
Aside from commenting here.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 9 2024 20:03 utc | 95
There's a hint of 19th-century accent to the word "miscreant" -- etymology tracing from one declining the (presumably true Christian) creed, not from one created the wrong way. Follower of a false faith, the original meaning, presumes none of that "agreeing to disagree" as became our 20th-century wont.
70 synonyms of "miscreant" comprise a minefield of Zionist atrocity descriptors (though a few of these I'm not totally sure about, as I haven't yet looked them up):
backslider, bad egg, bad lot, base, bastard, black sheep, blackguard, caitiff, corrupt, criminal, crook, degenerate, depraved, evil, fallen angel, felon, felonious, flagitious, good-for-nothing, heel, hood, hoodlum, hooligan, infamous, iniquitous, knave, lecher, lost sheep, lost soul, lowlife, malefactor, malefic, malevolent, mischief-maker, mischievous, mug, nefarious, perverse, pervert, pimp, profligate, rapscallion, rascal, rascally, recidivist, recreant, reprobate, rogue, rough, roughneck, rowdy, ruffian, scalawag, scamp, scapegrace, scoundrel, scoundrelly, sorry lot, thug, trollop, unhealthy, unprincipled, vicious, villain, villainous, whore, wicked, wretch, wretched, wrongdoer
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 9 2024 20:08 utc | 96
There are no civilized people on this planet, definitely no civilized people in the West. The West says one thing, and does another, all the time. The Israelis are at least honest, they say what they are going to do and they do just that. So the Israelis say that they are going to kill Palestinians in the womb and so they do exactly that by shooting pregnant Palestinian women.
Had the Israelis listened to Machiavelli they would know that historically a country which preaches peace and harmony while genociding others will last much longer than a country which preaches genocide and then goes and does precisely that. But no, the Israelis think that they are beyond history, ala Fukuyama style. So Israel does exactly what it wants and says exactly what it is going to do. Jews seriously believe that they are untouchable, their over confidence knows no bounds. And the West worships them.
Posted by: gT | Mar 9 2024 20:14 utc | 97
One thing that has not attracted comment here at MoA so far is the parallel between Israel's actions now against the Palestinians, nearly six months after Hamas's breakout in early October last year, and Nazi Germany's actions against Jewish and other civilians and POWs in its camps as war dragged on through 1943 into 1945.
Israel is not winning its war against Hamas and is fighting (by its own choice) a second war on its northern border against Hezbollah. It is also suffering from a virtual embargo imposed by Ansarallah (Houthus) in Yemen. The parallel with Nazi Germany in the later years of WWII, ground down and defeated by the Soviets in eastern Europe, having to fight on two fronts, and its economy worn down through economic barricade and loss of soldiers, will become more stark as Israel is forced to mobilise more people (perhaps even try to draw more diaspora Jews and foreigners into the IDF) and the Israeli economy suffers ruin.
In both scenarios, the most vulnerable people - the oppressed, the people trapped in concentration camps and ghettos with no hope of escape - suffer the brunt of their oppressors' denial of defeat and ruin.
At least Germany after the war was eventually given a lifeline out through the Marshall Plan (after, what, two or three years of ruin, poverty and starvation conditions in the late 1940s). Israel or whatever is left of it after its elites have bailed out to the US and the UK won't be so lucky.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 9 2024 20:14 utc | 98
US, UK, and France have arranged an “emergency” session of the UN Security Council for Monday, at which the UN envoy report on alleged “sexual violence”, which reported “reasonable grounds” to consider Hamas’ alleged tactic of mass rape on October 7 as true. The session is being coordinated with Israel, and will result in renewed demands that Hamas be labelled an “international terrorism” group. There have been diligent efforts by western powers to get such language into a resolution in the belief it will absolve Israel of criminal responsibility for Gaza under rubric of “self-defence.”
The UN envoy report specifically acknowledges it was not conducting an actual investigation into the charges, and that the concept of “reasonable grounds” meant accepting information from interviews arranged by Israel officials at face value. In fact, its “key recommendation” is simply to “encourage Israel to grant access to the UN human rights chief and the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Palestinian territories and Israel ‘to carry out full-fledged investigations into the alleged violations’ - I.e. that an actual investigation take place. Regardless, the report will be presented to the public as UN sanctioned “proof” of atrocities.
Posted by: jayc | Mar 9 2024 20:21 utc | 99
tiago | Mar 9 2024 11:53 utc | 8
*** Abolish the state of Israel. Let them all join the surviving nazi and japanese fascist cadre in the US and abolish the apartheid state. Rebuild a unitary non-religious state under the supervision of a global south coalition with funding from asset seizures of western companies that supported Israel.***
The only viable two-state solution .....
Palestinians get one State called Palestine.
Israeli Zionists get one State called either Florida or NY.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 9 2024 20:29 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Reposted from Prior thread, most relevant here:
Israel's role in the Abu Ghraib scandal
Israel’s documented torture and abuse of Palestinians may evoke comparisons to US tactics employed during the Iraqi occupation, but a closer look reveals their distinct origins rooted in the Zionist entity.
https://thecradle.co/articles/the-tel-aviv-torture-trail-israels-role-in-the-abu-ghraib-scandal
Posted by: Exile | Mar 9 2024 11:36 utc | 1