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February 28, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-064
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Down South | Feb 28 2024 17:22 utc | 1
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Posted by: Down South | Feb 28 2024 17:25 utc | 2
Posted by: Down South | Feb 28 2024 17:29 utc | 3 Saying this war would be ‘Russia vs. NATO’ misses what is near to coming about. One could get only a little closer saying it would be “Russian Armed Forces vs. NATO.” Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 28 2024 17:40 utc | 4 President Micron hosted a clutch of fools yesterday pretending they were going to do something. The snag is that the only intelligent things to do are mentally impossible for them, so they are stuck contemplating only palpably stupid and/or futile things. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Feb 28 2024 17:43 utc | 5 Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 28 2024 17:40 utc | 5 Posted by: Mario | Feb 28 2024 17:44 utc | 6 The PMR situation can blow up very rapidly. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 17:45 utc | 7 Kit Klarenberg with commentary on a ‘timely’ piece run by Politico a few weeks ago. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 28 2024 17:57 utc | 8 In the long run, the plan is the complete obliteration of Europe the way you know it. Ever wonder why in the last 2 years so many companies [including German industrial base] are fleeing to the US along with billions in capital outflows. Posted by: AI | Feb 28 2024 18:00 utc | 9 Why not try the truth, “Russia vs. Western Europe?” Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2024 18:01 utc | 10 …Macron is losing everywhere, so he is raising the stakes. A huge number of NATO troops are already in the Ukraine, they are just trying to legalize their presence there to gradually get Europeans used to the thought that sooner or later they will have to fight in the Ukraine… – YURI PODOLYAKA Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 18:03 utc | 11 Posted by: AI | Feb 28 2024 18:00 utc | 10 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 28 2024 18:06 utc | 12
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/102219 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2024 18:08 utc | 13 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 17:45 utc | 8 Posted by: Mario | Feb 28 2024 18:41 utc | 14 Rocky Road to Dedollarization: Sergei Glazyev Interview Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 18:53 utc | 15 There are news that Tonenke has supposedly been liberated, and AFU retreating from Orlivka. There is nothing but 10km of empty fields to the west. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 19:05 utc | 16 N-tv Germany today Posted by: SlowSoft | Feb 28 2024 19:09 utc | 17 Andrei Martyanov notes that Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 28 2024 19:10 utc | 18 Aurelien has another Must Read about the ‘sediment’ – the myriad of old, unexamined statements, assumptions, theories, prejudices, etc, upon which the latest round of fatuities are precariously perched. Makes the 404 morass in which the West flounders, a little more understandable, if not forgivable. And he would do just fine if he would stay away from Russia, but no-o-o, he wanted it all Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 28 2024 19:23 utc | 20 Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 28 2024 19:10 utc | 19 Posted by: Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 19:33 utc | 21 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 18:53 utc | 16 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 28 2024 19:34 utc | 22 I meant Mélenchon, not Melanchon… Posted by: Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 19:42 utc | 23 The Russians have basically made Ukrainian forces play whack-a-mole, which is wearing the Ukrainians out rapidly, lacking a pool of reserves…Look for a cascading collapse in the next months…. Posted by: pyrrhus | Feb 28 2024 19:49 utc | 24 @sb 8 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 28 2024 19:58 utc | 25
Posted by: MiniMO | Feb 28 2024 20:00 utc | 26 The alternative is 600,000 people slaughtered Posted by: Naive | Feb 28 2024 20:19 utc | 27 🇵🇱🏴☠️🇺🇦Poland prepares full closure of border with Ukraine. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 28 2024 20:37 utc | 28 There are news that Tonenke has supposedly been liberated, and AFU retreating from Orlivka. There is nothing but 10km of empty fields to the west. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 28 2024 20:37 utc | 29 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2024 18:08 utc | 14 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 20:41 utc | 30 The Russians have basically made Ukrainian forces play whack-a-mole, which is wearing the Ukrainians out rapidly Posted by: rk | Feb 28 2024 20:43 utc | 31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecs9IFzfj6Q Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 28 2024 20:45 utc | 32 “So, pretending to know about french politics and taking Mélenchon for Macron and vice versa is totally irresponsible.” Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 28 2024 20:49 utc | 33
Bu,bu,bu, but what about that Polish law last year giving citizenship rights to Ukraine, and vice versa, making them a brotherly united people? :_( So sad! Posted by: titmouse | Feb 28 2024 20:54 utc | 34 Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 28 2024 20:49 utc | 35 Posted by: Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 21:05 utc | 35 but no-o-o, he wanted it all and as a result Russians entered Paris in 1814. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 28 2024 21:06 utc | 36 Well, I do my best to be clear. I know as well that it is not the case – sorry for that. But if you read the mainstream media in france, Mélenchon is the guy they have to kill because he is the only one to not be a sionist. Posted by: Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 21:12 utc | 37 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 28 2024 19:58 utc | 26 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 28 2024 21:13 utc | 38 Krynky and this, what are they up to??? It’s not madness, they are up to something they think very important. Guess we’ll have to wait 20ys after it’s all over for someone to write the big book on the war to explain it: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 21:16 utc | 39 Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 21:12 utc | 39 Posted by: bevin | Feb 28 2024 21:18 utc | 40
I wasn’t aware Gaza has been deblockaded, IDF has completely pulled out, food and medicine are streaming in, they are rebuilding, and there will be no more victims. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 21:22 utc | 41 The Empire is preparing the dirty vassal states for full support to Ukraine. Posted by: vargas | Feb 28 2024 21:25 utc | 42
Moldova doesn’t have the soldiers or the weapons. It’s why the PMR is a thing in the first place — cis-Nistria was agrictulural, trans-Nistria was the industrial center, and all the weapons were there too. So when they split up Moldova didn’t have the military capacity to retake it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 21:25 utc | 43 Posted by: Honzo @ 40 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 21:28 utc | 44 The Zherebets river front is collapsing as well. Makeevka was liberated, and there’s some prospects for Terny. That will either force the AFU between them and only a single bridge across the river to leave, or get encircled. Theoretically they might swim across the river but they will never get any equipment. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 21:38 utc | 45 @23 echo chamber Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2024 21:41 utc | 46 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 21:22 utc | 43 Posted by: Naive | Feb 28 2024 21:46 utc | 47
Are you implying Khmelnitsky was a nuke? It certainly looked like one. Some physicists have implied so as well. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 21:51 utc | 48 I wasn’t aware Gaza has been deblockaded, IDF has completely pulled out, food and medicine are streaming in, they are rebuilding, and there will be no more victims. Posted by: Naive | Feb 28 2024 21:51 utc | 49 Interesting homage to Russia today by William Schryver: The bitter pill of decisive strategic defeat Posted by: Peter b | Feb 28 2024 22:01 utc | 50
That was the one red line the Kremlin may actually have enforced semi-publicly. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:02 utc | 51
It’s as flat and low as it gets, and with zero strategic depth — the PMR is a narrow strip of land barely 20 km wide. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:04 utc | 52 Alas, that good sense has abandoned the French President. Posted by: jpc | Feb 28 2024 22:08 utc | 53 Khmelnitsky ammo depot was probably vaporized with an Iskander-M with 1-5 kT warhead (a very small one). That would ensure it gets the job done. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 22:10 utc | 54 shаdοwbanned @ 54
Then they’re fucked. Russia will have to abandon them and deal with it at a later date. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 22:21 utc | 56
There were satellite pictures of the crater a couple days later. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:45 utc | 57
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/102954 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 22:47 utc | 58
I have been on pins and needles for the last couple days because of this. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:51 utc | 59 Did F16 arrive in Ukraine to shoot down Russian aircraft? Posted by: magicmirror | Feb 28 2024 22:59 utc | 60 LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 22:47 utc | 60 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 28 2024 22:59 utc | 61 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:51 utc | 61 Posted by: 600w | Feb 28 2024 23:04 utc | 62 Lightyears from home #60 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Feb 28 2024 23:04 utc | 63 Miona | Feb 28 2024 17:25 utc | 3 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 28 2024 23:07 utc | 64 Now, in order to prevent the collapse of the front, the Ukrainians will be forced to transfer reinforcements here from neighboring areas. And this, in turn, creates a window of opportunity for us to make breakthroughs elsewhere. And the greater the losses the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffer, the more difficult it will become for them to “plug the holes with their bodies.” Posted by: James M. | Feb 28 2024 23:07 utc | 65 Well, there are three options, neither of them good: Posted by: James M. | Feb 28 2024 23:16 utc | 66 >>> Moved from wrong thread. Sorry for the double post.<<< Dima speculated an interesting possible reason for EU troops in West Ukraine, tied-in to Poland's ongoing border restrictions of everything flowing east to west across it. He figures: If Russia is going to sometime advance into Kharkiv, Odessa and elsewhere, there will be millions of anti-Russian Ukie migrants making a rush towards the EU ... which, as we know, is sick to death of those slimeballs. So, with Poland and France and Germany and the other "security agreements", perhaps non-fighting EU border security is the concept Macron was foreshadowing. Of course the EU can't say they're doing it to corral the Banderites and social climbers.! They're saying it is to "block Russia attacking Europe" ... [eye roll]. It might be that NATO is, behind the scenes, greenlighting a sort of EU Coalition Army which is not bound by NATO rules and doesnt LOOK LIKE it is declaring war on Russia. Imo, the so-called security agreements are just flexi-docs to be used however the mood flows. Plus, with the present Transnistria-Moldova tension, EU countries have multiple reasons to slip boots into Ukraine without a big hoo-ha, all to thwart Russia moving to protect PMR. Plus, as some think, the current NATO exercises (Jan-May) are readiness against Russia moving towards Odessa. The Black Sea coast is precious to the US, so expect them to defend it anyway they can. Conclusion: This SMO/war is far, far from over. People seem to ignore that Ukr still has 300k-500k troops in the field; another 500k it wants to mobilise; innumerable ground weapons and *some ammo* for it; some planes; some AD; lots of allies' ISR; lots of NATO helpers; lots of FPVs; and, worst of all, an intractable fantasy to win. So, lots of little falling villages in the Donbass DOES NOT signal the end is near for Ukraine nor happy days yet for Moscow. Please everyone, stop thinking the end for Ukraine is just one more fallen stronghold away. There's still a LOT MORE demilitarisation to go. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 28 2024 22:00 utc | 65 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 28 2024 23:22 utc | 67 “If demand goes down due to price increases from inflation, which they do, this means that price will then come down due to weakening demand and increasing competitiveness. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 28 2024 23:24 utc | 68 It’s pretty clear that the NATO-sponsored Ukrainian gov was commiting slow motion ethnic cleansing in Donbas et al, which would only have accelerated and intensified even more over time, and that the MSM, effectively fully NATO-owned, would have given it the Gaza genocide exculpatory whitewashing treatment x 10, until the Ukrainian ultra-nationalist mission was done. And only after it was fully achieved (the slow motion anti-ethnic Russian decimation or expulsion of the native Russian population), would the prestige MSM, e.g. ask certain navel gazing questions about certain problematic excesses committed by the new ‘democratic’ Western-oriented Ukraine. Posted by: Ludo | Feb 28 2024 23:37 utc | 69 Then they’re fucked. Russia will have to abandon them and deal with it at a later date. Posted by: 600w | Feb 28 2024 23:43 utc | 70 @62 Posted by: GW | Feb 28 2024 23:43 utc | 71 Is Syrski still the commander of the ukrainian army after the fall of Avdeevka ? Posted by: WMG | Feb 28 2024 23:46 utc | 72 @LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2024 22:47 utc | 60 Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 28 2024 23:48 utc | 73 An attraction to the US of some kind of western takeover of Transnistria could be access to the vast arms depots there, probably containing more 152/122mm Soviet era shells than could be counted. Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 28 2024 23:52 utc | 74 “If demand goes down due to price increases from inflation, which they do, this means that price will then come down due to weakening demand and increasing competitiveness. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 28 2024 23:54 utc | 75 No doubt mined against such a move which if activated is estimated to cause an unimaginable explosion. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 28 2024 23:55 utc | 76 Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 28 2024 23:52 utc | 76 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 23:59 utc | 77 Assuming Macron’s foolish enough to send French troops into combat in Ukraine, I can’t imagine the French public tolerating high KIA and WIA levels for very long. And this war means high casualties for any country participating, win, lose or draw. Posted by: GW | Feb 29 2024 0:02 utc | 78 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2024 21:41 utc | 48 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 29 2024 0:12 utc | 79 Cynic @63 Posted by: AJ | Feb 29 2024 0:20 utc | 80 The Transnistria seems like a western engineered provocation intended to goad Russia to act in a way the west hope to exploit. Russia has had over two years to come up with a plan, so we will see how they respond. Dima suggested a full court press on all fronts plus perhaps a new one in the north to overwhelm Ukrainian ability to respond and cover a move around Odessa. Seems a bit far fetched, but we will see. Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 29 2024 0:23 utc | 81 Even with well prepared defenses, if the VSU can’t keep the glide bombs from preceding Russian advances it won’t be able to stop those advances. There’s another 10km+ west of Avdeevka with nowhere to hide. The river probably won’t help enough for long enough. Each roll back under fire is fewer men and the ones who make it are far more battered. The probability of a significant break increases every day. Posted by: Lex | Feb 29 2024 0:32 utc | 82 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2024 21:41 utc | 48 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 29 2024 0:40 utc | 83 There have been occasional provocations toward Transnistria. The first one were in mid-2022 and it was arguably even worse than the one today. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 29 2024 0:43 utc | 84 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 28 2024 23:22 utc | 69 Posted by: Milites | Feb 29 2024 0:44 utc | 85 The Transnistria seems like a western engineered provocation intended to goad Russia to act in a way the west hope to exploit. Russia has had over two years to come up with a plan, so we will see how they respond. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 29 2024 0:44 utc | 86 by shаdοwbanned | Feb 28 2024 22:02 utc | 53 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 29 2024 0:56 utc | 87 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2024 21:41 utc | 48 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 29 2024 1:14 utc | 88 Plus, as some think, the current NATO exercises (Jan-May) are readiness against Russia moving towards Odessa. The Black Sea coast is precious to the US, so expect them to defend it anyway they can. Posted by: smuks | Feb 29 2024 1:31 utc | 89 Echo Chamber | Feb 28 2024 23:54 utc | 77 Posted by: smuks | Feb 29 2024 1:51 utc | 90 I don’t think it is a question of baiting or motivation. Russia is extremely far from Odessa and even further from Transnistria. In addition, it would be quite an undertaking to cross the very wide river and go up the hills on the Ukrainian side (which have a height advantage, good EW, drones, artillery, etc.) And then after that, they are right back into have very perilous supply lines across the river (why they abandoned it last year). Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 29 2024 1:51 utc | 91 Posted by: Milites | Feb 29 2024 0:44 utc | 87 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 29 2024 1:55 utc | 92 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Feb 29 2024 1:55 utc | 93 The Cradle has a posting up about the latest Z jet setting
What does it say that Z is out talking peace plans? It looks like he is pushing mostly the same shit but not asking Mbs for money. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 29 2024 2:33 utc | 94 Posted by: Milites | Feb 29 2024 0:44 utc | 87 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 29 2024 3:05 utc | 95 Russia is extremely far from Odessa and even further from Transnistria. In addition, it would be quite an undertaking to cross the very wide river and go up the hills on the Ukrainian side (which have a height advantage, good EW, drones, artillery, etc.) Posted by: Marduk | Feb 29 2024 3:20 utc | 96 Negotiating with Russia could get ugly very soon Posted by: snake | Feb 29 2024 3:22 utc | 97 Many of you are totally delusional. You have swallowed russian propaganda like a bunch of useful idiots. Posted by: Jack A | Feb 29 2024 4:12 utc | 98 Posted by: Un Cop Era | Feb 28 2024 19:33 utc | 22 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 29 2024 4:15 utc | 99 Re: what kind of missles? Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 29 2024 4:38 utc | 100 |
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