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February 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-056
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The Bundestag has refused again to ship Taurus missiles to Ukraine. Nay: 480, Yea: 182, Abstain: 5.
https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/bundestag-stimmt-gegen-taurus-lieferung-an-die-ukraine-19537190.html
Posted by: neutrino | Feb 22 2024 14:13 utc | 1
…and for good this time, I presume.
The last 4-6 months, things were hanging in the balance:
– Would the US give more “aid” to Ukraine?
– Would Zelensky fire Zaluzhny?
– Would Ukraine adopt its new mobilization law?
– Would Germany give Taurus missiles?
Then suddenly, everything got decided in a matter of days.
Certainly no coincidence – but what was the trigger?
Also interesting to note that Carlson interviewed Putin on the 6th, but it was published on the 9th.
Had things evolved differently on the 7th/8th, I doubt we’d ever seen the interview.
Posted by: smuks | Feb 22 2024 14:25 utc | 2
Having lost Avdeevka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered the biggest defeat since the capture of Bakhmut by the Russian Armed Forces. However, as will be clear later, these are two completely different defeats, because the difference between Avdievka and Bakhmut is obvious.
1. Avdeevka is the “gate” to Donetsk. That is, Ukraine lost a unique fortified area, which took more than 8 years to build, which was designed for a 70,000-strong group and which was planned to be used as a support base for the capture of Donetsk. But the strategic importance of Bakhmut was minimal. The city became a new symbol as the stakes of the parties increased, and the President’s Office promoted the theme of the “Bakhmut fortress” only for media victories.
2. The Ukrainian Armed Forces near Bakhmut did not experience a shortage of ammunition at all. In Avdeevka, a completely opposite situation emerged: not only were the Russian Armed Forces able to increase production and saturate the battlefield with personnel (1/1.5-1.7 in personnel), but also in terms of shells the ratio was far from in favor of the Armed Forces: 1/10, for drones 1/3, plus the colossal density of Russian bombings by FABs.
3. The tactics of the Russian Armed Forces are slightly similar to Bakhmut, but significantly improved. The Russians have clearly learned how to fight better: the counter-battery component, coordination, and so on have greatly improved. In addition, a new element of tactics has appeared – logistical isolation of the battlefield. Without transportation and rotation, the forces of the defenders are quickly depleted.
As a result, almost twenty thousand strong group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was wiped out, as well as a significant part of the maneuver front reserves. At the same time, the transfer of the 3rd Special Brigade to the city did not help to hold the city, where they stated that they were thrown into positions that simply did not exist. At the same time, the Ukrainian command did not even manage to organize a competent retreat: the equipment did not go under the FPV drones and artillery, that is, they all went out on their own, which significantly increased losses.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21779
Posted by: Down South | Feb 22 2024 14:30 utc | 3
“The Bundestag has refused again to ship Taurus missiles to Ukraine. Nay: 480, Yea: 182, Abstain: 5.
https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/bundestag-stimmt-gegen-taurus-lieferung-an-die-ukraine-19537190.html“
Posted by: neutrino | Feb 22 2024 14:13 utc | 1
Thanks for the info-the war tide may be coming in-‘let’s hope’.
ISW starts to hedge.
February 21, 2024
Russian forces are conducting a cohesive multi-axis offensive operation in pursuit of an operationally significant objective for nearly the first time in over a year and a half of campaigning in Ukraine. The prospects of this offensive in the Kharkiv-Luhansk sector are far from clear, but its design and initial execution mark notable inflections in the Russian operational level approach.
big arrow charts ==> https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-winter-spring-2024-offensive-operation-kharkiv-luhansk-axis
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 14:37 utc | 5
Bundestag: no Taurus.
interesting in view of a rich stream of media snippets in the last 2 days
presenting a picture of strong support
( supposedly splitting the governing coalition and
being supported strongly by the CDU/CSU opposition.)
is it angst or sanity that prevails here?
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:40 utc | 6
canuck@4….the French still plan on suppling SCALPs with a 500k range. A 150 mile buffer zone will not work…..high tide is still a few blue moons away……
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 14:42 utc | 7
The problem at the front is that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are losing the most powerful fortified areas, but have not created new ones, since Zelensky did not listen to anyone and demonstrated an “offensive.”
Now they are in a hurry to build, but then, as usual, a case of theft arises. They cut tenders, but build them as usual – for show.
Of course, it’s better than nothing. But all these fortified areas against bombs will not help. There is only a lot of good air defense here, but it is very expensive and in short supply.
There are many problems. We are watching… The main thing is that the LBS defense does not collapse now. Then the losses will be enormous.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 22 2024 14:45 utc | 8
after taking a closer look on what was passed and what not:
All is definitely not well:
Über einen Antrag der Ampelfraktionen, der die Lieferung von „weitreichenden Waffensystemen“ fordert, Taurus aber nicht explizit nennt, wurde ebenfalls am Donnerstag abgestimmt. Er wurde mit den Stimmen von SPD, Grünen und FDP im Bundestag beschlossen. 382 Abgeordnete stimmten dafür, 284 dagegen, es gab zwei Enthaltungen.
Providing Long Range weapons ( but not Taurus mentioned ) was passed 382:284
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 9
a 500k range. A 150 mile buffer zone
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 14:42 utc | 7
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Please don’t mix measurement units.
Also for reference, it is ~850km from Kiev to Moscow.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 10
The Russians apparently struck a warehouse housing Patriot AD components N/NW of Kherson.
https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1760675262231146544
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 14:53 utc | 11
Glenn Diesen
@Glenn_Diesen
General Harald Kujat, the former Chief of Staff of the German armed forces and Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, warns that the US and NATO instigated the Ukraine War to destroy Russia:
– Why is there zero interest from the media? You do not need to agree with his analysis, but why are you prevented from hearing it? Is it not of public interest to know what he has to say – a retired German general, head of the German armed forces, and the former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee…
– Censorship has nothing to do with “hate”, “disinformation” or “legitimising Russia’s invasion” – the sole purpose of the censorship is to protect the war narrative from uncomfortable facts
……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21-RrB8E6Q&t=600s link goes to the translated video. Well worth listening to.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 15:04 utc | 12
@ MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 9
Good catch! Sooner or later Germoney will send their Taurus missiles — assuming they aren’t doing so already.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 15:24 utc | 13
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 9
Apart from Hungary, all countries that were there last time are there now.
Posted by: Passerby | Feb 22 2024 15:26 utc | 14
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/22/europe-ukrainian-victory-alexei-navalny-vladimir-putin
‘Not losing’ is not enough: it’s time for Europe to finally get serious about a Ukrainian victory
Timothy Garton Ash”
Cope springs eternal!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 22 2024 15:31 utc | 15
Irony: UK-based rag complaining about Navalny’s death while Assange is literally about out of breaths rotting away in a British dungeon, held on BS charges that have no legal basis.
Posted by: ChrisFromGA | Feb 22 2024 15:41 utc | 16
Medvedev believes that in order to achieve the goals of a special military operation, it may be necessary to reach Kiev. The politician also warned that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine may not be limited to the current phase. He expressed this opinion in response to a question from TASS about the geographical boundaries of the special operation.
ZandVchannel
Posted by: Apollyon | Feb 22 2024 15:43 utc | 17
too scents | Feb 22 2024 14:37 utc | 5
Amusing how western “expert analysts” tend to reiterate what Shoigu said in his press conferences.
Only a couple of weeks, or in this case months, later.
(And no, despite the vaguely worded Bundestag decision, there won’t be any Taurus.)
Posted by: smuks | Feb 22 2024 15:48 utc | 18
too scents@10…..no spelling errors, phew, but anyone with a grade eight education should be able to do the math….the mix was deliberate….out of curiosity, what does Moscow have to do with long range missiles, it is constantly under drone attack.
Cheers M
….for those who skipped grade eight, one mile equals 1.6 kilometres….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 15:57 utc | 19
The Bundestag has refused again to ship Taurus missiles to Ukraine. Nay: 480, Yea: 182, Abstain: 5.
https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/bundestag-stimmt-gegen-taurus-lieferung-an-die-ukraine-19537190.html
Posted by: neutrino | Feb 22 2024 14:13 utc | 1
I am glad, but give it a couple of days.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 22 2024 16:07 utc | 20
what does Moscow have to do with long range missiles
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 15:57 utc | 19
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https://www.google.com/search?q=nato+missile+minutes+moscow
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 16:10 utc | 21
Ah, never mind, the Bundestag agreed to send “long range weapons” but didn’t mention the word “Taurus” so the German government has its figleaf and deliveries are on.
This is the result of Russian dithering. Had Russia shown decisiveness from the outset, nobody would be talking of such things.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 22 2024 16:11 utc | 22
Re MAKK’s comments.
The video I linked at 12 of the German general, ex Nato speaking goes into this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21-RrB8E6Q&t=600s.
The ‘defence’ agreements now being signed by Various countries with Ukraine are designed to lock those countries into the agreement, regardless of change of Government. According to him, this is pushed by the US.
Similar to nordstream which was obviously approved by the Scholz government. That prevents, or makes difficult, a new government from simply renewing trade relations with Russia particularly in regard to energy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 16:16 utc | 23
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 15:04 utc | 12
Well worth watching the video you refer to (and link to) – thank you so much Peter.
Posted by: Mexicana | Feb 22 2024 16:19 utc | 24
🇺🇦 Four deeply modernized, handsome Tu-160Ms in the final assembly shop of the Kazan Aviation Plant during Vladimir Putin’s visit to the enterprise.
The resumption of serial production of missile carriers started in December 2018, and already on January 12, 2022, the newly produced Tu-160M made its first flight.
https://t.me/milinfolive/116833
Israeli KAZ Iron Fist from Elbit Systems has been upgraded to intercept drones.
An exhibition demonstrating the operation of a KAZ counter-ammunition against a kamikaze drone approaching an armored vehicle was shown at the Singapore Airshow 2024 exhibition.
It is obvious that Western arms corporations, observing the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, see trends in the shift of the main threat to armored vehicles from RPGs and ATGMs to small, cheap kamikaze drones and are trying to develop a system to counter them.
Let us recall that it was previously reported that the Russian Arena-M KAZ was being modified to counter drones. Most likely, the future lies with such drone destruction systems.
🇺🇦 Destruction of UAV control posts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Krasnogorovka using high-precision artillery shells “Krasnopol”.
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 22 2024 16:24 utc | 25
“Irony: UK-based rag complaining about Navalny’s death while Assange is literally about out of breaths rotting away in a British dungeon, held on BS charges that have no legal basis.”
Posted by: ChrisFromGA | Feb 22 2024 15:41 utc | 16
You know 10 years ago I decided I would have to include ideology in my education. I’m still working on that. Modeling ideology is a challenge, but it’s probably easier than modeling the weather. So if you were going to pick a thesis I felt it should be the emergence of modern fascism.
There’s no doubt Israel is a fascist state. But then I had a category for pre-fascist States and the UK headed that list followed by the US.
It’s notable that colonies like Canada and Australia try to outdo their master in their excesses.
So my state categories were proto-fascist, pre-fascist (which is inevitable), fascist, followed by post-fascist.
Beyond that you have the type and tactics employed.
In the case of Israel it is a theofascistic or ethnofascist state depending on how you want to look at it.
It’s also my view that neoliberalism is a form of hybrid fascism. I’ve never evaluated NATO using this criteria but I don’t think they’d come out looking too good.
We have some It people and expertise in the bar. What I’d like to see happen is useful model and methodology to evaluate not just ideology but the players on the political scene.
I use an adaptation of the rational political Spectrum:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/redefining_the_political_spectru.htm
“The Rational Spectrum
In this case, both Left and Right extremes of the social scale represent authoritarian positions – regulation and authoritarianism increase as you move away from the center.
There is another important way to view the present political spectrum as well, which is in relation to the nature of the State. There are three fundamental bases of power in modern society: the State, the Church, and the Corporation…”
So I would employ a graph-based approach but ideology is defined as a multi-dimensional set of beliefs, political views, tactics and so on.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 16:24 utc | 26
too sents@21…more Red Lines, Putin does not scare NATO, and most definitely not the UKUS, huge provocation incoming, before the Russian election.
Cheers M
….Russia has a paw in a trap…..will it need to chew it off to get out of it?????
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:26 utc | 27
Forgiveness please and no harm intended but MOA is an international open site, welcoming to all inclusively, including English speakers…where trolls care to tread…..with all that’s going on, to be so petty over spelling….take a course in phonetics, sound it out, just like when you were a little kid learning to talk…..it’s really easy.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:36 utc | 28
🇲🇩🇺🇦 Reports have surfaced in the media stating that Transnistria has pledged to establish a corridor for exporting Ukrainian grain. In return, they are seeking assistance from the Kyiv government to resolve the economic conflict between Tiraspol and Chisinau.
Let’s remember that since the beginning of the year, Moldovan authorities have been imposing double taxes on economic entities from Transnistria, thereby hindering the exports of Pridnestrovians. Officials in Chisinau have made it clear that this move is aimed at integrating Transnistria into their constitutional framework.
▪️ Recently, a meeting took place between the leader of Transnistria, Vadim Krasnoselsky, and the Ambassador Extraordinary of Ukraine, Pauna Rogoveya. Evidently, amidst Tiraspol’s challenging economic circumstances, they are seeking to negotiate a resolution to the situation created by Moldova’s Western overseers, specifically the USA and Great Britain .
▪️ Moreover, towards the end of last year, Ukrainians reached an agreement on establishing a reserve grain route through Transnistria. For Transnistria, maintaining ties with Kyiv is crucial to reestablish legal and underground trade networks that have been disrupted since 2022.
▪️ However, Chisinau will also benefit significantly politically from the opening of a grain route through Transnistria, as it will enable Moldovan and Ukrainian authorities to conduct customs inspections at the Transnistrian border.
🔻Confronted with a severe economic downturn, pressure from Moldovan authorities, and military threats from neighboring countries, Transnistria is slipping into a dire situation without external support. Given the assertiveness of all involved parties, it is unlikely that the situation in the region, which is heading towards escalation, will improve.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 22 2024 16:40 utc | 29
For English firsters, do you prefer the antiquated English of the US; flavor, humor, color, meter, or the evolved modern English of the United Kingdom; flavour, humour, colour, metre…..spelling, what fucking spelling!!!!!
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:41 utc | 30
Forgiveness please and no harm intended but MOA is an international open site, welcoming to all inclusively, including English speakers…where trolls care to tread…..with all that’s going on, to be so petty over spelling….take a course in phonetics, sound it out, just like when you were a little kid learning to talk…..it’s really easy.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:36 utc | 28
Agreed. Too many small change trifling comments.
If that’s where people put their energy it may indicate an unwillingness to deal with substantive, ie important, issues.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 22 2024 16:43 utc | 31
@26
David.
Se você quer realmente compreender os fenômenos de caráter ideológico e fugir deste padrão simplista, que coloca os extremos como sempre tendencialmente autoritários, leia Antonio Gramsci.
Se quiser aprofundar, leia “A ideologia alemã” de Karl Marx completa (há diversas versões incompletas e, portanto, insuficientes).
Posted by: Soviético | Feb 22 2024 16:48 utc | 32
bottom line – the west wants to continues its war on russia thru the proxy ukraine… i am sure if i see this, russia does too..
Posted by: james | Feb 22 2024 16:53 utc | 33
Sergei Shoigu says they were precisely airmailing Avdeevka up to 450 times ‘per day’, there’s a bit of math, averaged out over however long it took to take….concussion protocol….run away, far away.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:59 utc | 34
The Kremlin released footage of Putin in the cockpit [left seat] of the Tu-160M.
https://t.me/remylind21/14965
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 17:09 utc | 35
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 9
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Yup, public getting played, yet again.
Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 22 2024 17:11 utc | 36
Its very interesting to note that South Korea supplies Ukraine with an abundance of shells, yet there’s this:
“South Korean law prohibits its defense companies from selling directly to countries engaged in conflict, “so we cannot supply now to Israel,” said Min Gu Lee, a member of the company’s defense products export team.11 Oct 2023″
“South Korea has become a major supplier of munitions to Ukraine this year, according to a recent article in the Washington Post.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/11/dqev-d11.html
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 22 2024 17:14 utc | 37
Shoigu say Russia precisely air mailed up to 450 deliveries per day to Avdeevka. Bit of math there, but it does seem like a lot…’concussed concussion’ might be a new medical term.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 17:19 utc | 38
Posted by: Soviético | Feb 22 2024 16:48 utc | 32
(Machine translation)
“If you really want to understand phenomena of an ideological nature and escape this simplistic pattern, which places extremes as always tending to be authoritarian, read Antonio Gramsci.
If you want to go deeper, read Karl Marx’s “German Ideology” in its entirety (there are several incomplete and therefore insufficient versions).”
Soviético, thank you for your guidance on further reading and understanding. What I am trying to do is use extremely simple core structure to describe extremely complex phenomena.
Invariably, and this applies to many ideologies, it is not correct but is highly informative and descriptive.
For example, facts in data point might have a certain weight but beliefs chair equal weight with truths. For truth often comes from beliefs rather than facts.
Words such as freedom, truth, and democracy are extremely pliable and context specific. So the value of the model is partly based on its ability to accommodate this idea of multiple truths.
Said a different way, and just assume I’m using a lot of scare quotes here, what you believe is true only from a certain point of view and interpretation of events.
So according to corrupted sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
“In Marxist philosophy, cultural hegemony is the dominance of a culturally diverse society by the ruling class who shape the culture of that society—the beliefs and explanations, perceptions, values, and mores—so that the worldview of the ruling class becomes the accepted cultural norm.
[1] As the universal dominant ideology, the ruling-class worldview misrepresents the social, political, and economic status quo as natural, inevitable, and perpetual social conditions that benefit every social class, rather than as artificial social constructs that benefit only the ruling class.[2][3]”
References:
1. Bullock, Alan; Trombley, Stephen, Editors (1999), The New Fontana Dictionary of Modern Thought Third Edition, pp. 387–88.
2. The Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition. (1994), p. 1215.
3. Comaroff, Jean; Comaroff, John L. (1991). Of Revelation and Revolution. ATLA Special Series. Vol. 1: Christianity, Colonialism, and Consciousness in South Africa. Chicago: University of Chicago Press (published 2008). p. 25. ISBN 9780226114477. Archived from the original on 24 February 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2020.
“Typically . . . the making of hegemony involves the assertion of control over various modes of symbolic production: over such things as educational and ritual processes, patterns of socialization, political and legal procedures, canons of style and self-representation, public communication, health and bodily discipline, and so on.”
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 17:21 utc | 39
@ David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 16:24 utc | 26 with the OT rant about ideology
Please take your comment to the Open Thread and replace your left/right meme with top/bottom….just saying…
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 17:23 utc | 40
bottom line – the west wants to continues its war on russia thru the proxy ukraine… i am sure if i see this, russia does too..
Posted by: james | Feb 22 2024 16:53 utc | 33
Of course they do, is this a surprise? The fact it won’t matter doesn’t matter to any of them..They’re short termists interested in keeping themselves out of whatever specific fire threatens then individually. In other words, they have no other play, as their dick is still stuck in the bear trap. They haven’t gotten to the point they gnaw their own dick off, but Russia need only wait.
Leprechauns often promise things that don’t actually appear, but Russia using the Ukrainian conflict to fuck over the West is definitely happening. A slow motion train wreck brought to you by unimaginative chancers. Those who think they have trapped or duped Russia or somehow won a strategic victory are pissing into the storm. The inverse is true, Occidental analysts are too myopic to see it. Oh sure they fucked over Germany, that gives them what, another year maybe two before the whole thing goes tits up?
To be trite, it’s the economy, stupid.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 22 2024 17:33 utc | 41
Kiev and Odessa are traditional Russians [with Russian roots].
Posted by: AI | Feb 22 2024 17:36 utc | 42
President Zelensky is going a different route. He on Wednesday signed a decree opening up Ukraine’s military forces to “foreigners and stateless persons.”
i guess nato soldiers will enter via this little trick…
Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 22 2024 17:40 utc | 44
@ Doctor Eleven | Feb 22 2024 17:33 utc | 40
lol… are you british? i like your response…
Posted by: james | Feb 22 2024 17:46 utc | 45
btw, I wasn’t making predictions nor promises just point out the obvious, neither side has an off ramp…..short of a bright flash of Atomic Energy which Trump’s all fields of economics. Is there an Rx for that?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 17:55 utc | 46
Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 22 2024 17:40 utc | 43
Are there still volunteers from Nato? Drip feeding them with all the odds stacked against them (meaning combined arms, logistical, and the current poor iteration of AFU) would probably work to Russians being able to kill Nato soldiers more efficiently.
You would think in war you would try to create conditions were every possible thing is working for not against you.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 17:55 utc | 47
neither side has an off ramp…..short of a bright flash
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 17:55 utc | 45
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Because spite? You couldn’t be more unimaginative.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 18:03 utc | 48
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 14:48 utc | 10
a 500k range. A 150 mile buffer zone
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 14:42 utc | 7
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Please don’t mix measurement units.
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Mr. Policeman, I think we all know what the leprichaun meant when he said 500k relevant to his comment.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 22 2024 18:03 utc | 49
The Duran has a rare guest today in the form of Patrick Lancaster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLplqDuppw
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 18:10 utc | 50
Kharkiv would make hella more sense than Kherson or god help us, Odessa, when you think of broadening the war.
Sorry, Odessa dreamers. Very close lines of supply to Kharkiv. Don’t have to control river crossings during/after a move.
I’m not sure if they even go after Kharkiv or if it is just a feint to support continued efforts in Donetsk and Luhansk.
But that video of the flag in the Krinky grey zone and then the soldiers running away, shows they don’t even control the east bank of the Dnieper.
Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 22 2024 18:22 utc | 51
Sean the lepre @37, 42, 45
I didn’t realize you could be so indignant as your “insights” are usually few and far between. Who knew you could be so abrasive on a dime…
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 22 2024 18:35 utc | 52
@ David G Horsman, §38:
Appreciate your efforts, David.
You might find “Political Ponerology” by Andrew Lobaczewski (Red Pill Press, 2022) a significant help.
Posted by: John Marks | Feb 22 2024 18:39 utc | 53
Sean the Lepre @ 7
Seems like correcting canuck sounded more like ridicule than a constructive comment.
Can’t wait for your next big “presumption” to drop.
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 22 2024 18:39 utc | 54
Doctor Eleven @ 40
To be trite, it’s the economy, stupid.
Careful what you wish for, the Great Depression didn’t prevent WW2, rather, the opposite. That said, I don’t believe history repeats, resources, innovation, capital (the surplus countries) are all outside the west this time and capital is now global, capital will go where the future lies and it isn’t with the neocon atlanticist misadventure.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 22 2024 18:40 utc | 55
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Summary for 22 Feb 2024 by 20:01⚡️
🔹In #Kherson Direction, a new AFU strike hit the formations of our army, which were preparing to clean up #Krynki village. Strength to the families.
🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, there are intense battles for #Rabotino. It was not possible to take the village by surprise, the AFU is well equipped with Western equipment and motivated. However, our troops are methodically advancing, they pushed the AFU out of the “Shirokaya Beam”. Fighting is already underway in the centre of #Rabotino near the ruins of the school. At #Verbovoye, our troops knocked out the AFU from several positions, regained control over the “Krivoy Beam”.
🔹In #SouthDonetsk Direction, after our forces liberated #Pobeda, the AFU are throwing new forces in counterattacks. Our positions are being held. Plus, our troops moved north, towards #Georgiyevka. #Krasnogorovka also has significant progress. They occupied half of the shallowed reservoir and approached the Pervomayka quarter.
🔹In #Avdeyevka Direction, the front beyond the city continues to rumble. Our army is attacking in #Lastochkino, the AFU is slowly rolling back towards #Orlovka. Our aviation is hitting the #Lastochkino – #Tonenenkoye – #Severnoye section powerfully, it looks like preparing a new stage of the offensive. At #Severnoye, ours made several attempts to gain a foothold east of the village, but so far the AFU is holding the line. A little less than half of #Pervomayskoye is behind us, the rest is already grey zone.
🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our forces are expanding the control zone at the Popovsky and Ivanovsky forests. The eastern outskirts of #Ivanovskoye, without changes. Ours tried to break through the next line of AFU defence, but they fought back so far.
🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our forces are attacking again in the #Seversk sector. The frontline is unchanged there, the industrial zone is behind us (⚠️at #Belogorovka, I assume). In the #Liman sector, also without significant changes, ours are fixed in the “Lapteva Beam” (⚠️Yar Lapteva towards #Terny, I assume). On the #Kupyansk front, our aviation, artillery, and drones are working hard.
📌 The AFU are already, to put it mildly, worried about where exactly our army will decide to move the #Kupyansk front. However, the exact direction is still unclear, ours are trying to stretch the enemy’s forces along the entire frontline.
💥 In #Donetsk, two medical workers were injured from shelling. At night, a S-200 SAM (conversion) was shot down over the #Rostov region, converted by Ukraine to attack ground targets. A large drone was shot down over the #Bryansk region.
🎯 Our Geranium strikes on the airfield in #Mirgorod damaged two Su-24M aircraft and a MiG-29 fighter. Hopefully our strike on the launcher and the transport-loading vehicle of the Patriot SA will be visual confirmed.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 22 2024 18:41 utc | 56
In response to from the old Ukraine thread
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This far from over …. Russia is one nation with only 144 million population against the West with a combined 1 Billion and the military might of the USA. It is not a pussy cat even if somewhat incompetent at times.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 10:19 utc | 516
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One of the reasons that Russia is conducting the SMO in the manner it is has to do with the Russia/Ukraine proxy conflict within the larger civilization war going on. Right now empire is receiving thousands of cuts from
Ukraine,
Occupied Palestine
Yemen
Iraq
Syria
etc.
and potential cuts from
Iran
China
North Korea
etc.
and lots of ex-colonial nations and the 17 Lavrov says are still colonial
Stay tuned, it is finally getting interesting.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 18:48 utc | 57
Occasionally Reuters reports the news
Putin sends signal to West with flight on nuclear-capable bomber
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 18:58 utc | 58
https://twitter.com/camille_moscow/status/1760326139921236073?s=20
See how the Ukrainians are fond of their president… It’s true love…
UKRAINIAN HIDDEN CAMERA
A genius had the idea to display Zelensky’s portrait in a Kiev elevator.
To all the aficionados of the Narco Fhurer Zelensky, see the reaction of the citizens, how he is adored by his population.
Posted by: Naive | Feb 22 2024 18:58 utc | 59
I know this is OT but feel the need to balance the Reuters reporting above with one of their lies
US weekly jobless claims fall as labor market remains tight
The masses of homeless on the streets of America scream LIE to that posting title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 19:02 utc | 60
Posted by: psychohistorian @ 59
Being rhetorical, but across the entire spectrum everything coming out of the USA now is a fraud and a flop, why would you expect economic stats to be real?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 22 2024 19:07 utc | 61
Careful what you wish for, the Great Depression didn’t prevent WW2, rather, the opposite. That said, I don’t believe history repeats, resources, innovation, capital (the surplus countries) are all outside the west this time and capital is now global, capital will go where the future lies and it isn’t with the neocon atlanticist misadventure.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 22 2024 18:40 utc | 54
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The Great Depression happened to (relatively) much stronger, well governed and industrial states.
Not badly run, post-industrial, neo-Lib clusterf**ks.
Whatever NATO’s latest incarnation of Operation:Piss-in-the-Wind, the eventual outcome of Ukrainian defeat is certain.
No matter how much “concern”is posted.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 22 2024 19:07 utc | 62
psychohistorian @ 59
Why would anyone believe anything that comes from the Bureau of Lies and Stories (BLS).
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 22 2024 19:17 utc | 63
@ Naive | Feb 22 2024 18:58 utc | 58
I wonder if that was staged in Russia. After all, there are several men of draftable age in the video.
And if it was for resl, I frar for the safety of the people involved.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 19:23 utc | 64
Anon @ 50
As Putin or one of his principles mentioned a week ago, Kharkov and especially Odessa are traditional Russian cities and will be brought back into their possession.
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 22 2024 19:24 utc | 65
https://www.google.com/search?q=nato+missile+minutes+moscow
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 16:10 utc | 21
What does Germany or Ukraine gain from longer range tactical missiles? Best case scenario they piss the Russians off and get an escalation.
Even if they were nukes the Russian state wouldn’t be at risk from these missiles and unless they carry rather large nukes they won’t alter the enivitable outcome of the Ukraine war.
The Russians are still serious about civil defence … they ran drills in 2021 and concluded the could get the population of Moscow sheltered in 30 minutes. Even during the battle of Moscow in 1941 the Russians had a second capital and a secret subway line to get the cabinet out of Moscow … today like the USA they have airborne command posts for the cabinet. The state won’t crumble with an attack on Moscow
It cost the Germans 750,000 of their best soldiers and most of their armour to get to Moscow. Do you think for a minute anyone in the EU or USA is willing to make that kind of sacrifice today.
The only way to defeat Russia militarily is with STRATEGIC nuclear weapons so other than pissing off the Russians and maybe killing a few people whats the point of giving long range missiles to Ukraine?
Another point about these “game changing wonder weapons”. Losing 100’s of thousands of soldiers is a disaster to us in the west. The USA cries over losing 60K in Vietnam. It’s nothing to the Russians. The Russians lost 3.5 million during WW1, 4 million during the civil war and 28 million during WW2. It’s not that the Russians don’t value life but they are willing to defend their homeland LITERALLY to the last man. Give the Ukrainians weapons that can kill more Russians and all you’ll do is piss them off.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 22 2024 19:26 utc | 66
@54 lightyears
Re: great depression and the drive to war
What you say is true. Although that has not stopped me from praying for the end of the petrodollar for years. The reason I am optimistic is for the very tool that some others were railing against in prior threads: the internet.
It took Pearl Harbor to convince a world-weary public to bite for war against the axis in 1941. But knowledge of the true workings for this event have enabled a public to be far more suspicious of their government.
I look around at the current multi-cultural paradise in Estados Unidos and I have to chuckle to myself at the conundrum that the elites are facing wrt the control of the situation.
They would really have to frame something big, like pearl harbor^2 for the people to take the bait this time. Although pyrrhic self-showings of this object would be ghastly, it would still give us plebs yet more inkling into the utter destitution of our supposed betters.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 22 2024 19:31 utc | 67
The Dima report headline today is ‘Russia captured Sieverne’. If that is true then it is a big development, since Sieverne is a central defensive location of AFU on the remaining lowland between Avdeevka and the west-east running river NW of Avdeevka.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 19:37 utc | 68
https://www.google.com/search?q=nato+missile+minutes+moscow
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 16:10 utc | 21
What does Germany or Ukraine gain from longer range tactical missiles? Best case scenario they piss the Russians off and get an escalation.
Even if they were nukes the Russian state wouldn’t be at risk from these missiles and unless they carry rather large nukes they won’t alter the enivitable outcome of the Ukraine war.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 22 2024 19:26 utc | 65
Simple, they get an additional sunk cost as a justification why they cannot back down now. Escalation ever always only ratchets one way, if you have not noticed.
This is the entirely predictable result of Russian indecision and dithering, of failing to take this war seriously from the outset.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 22 2024 19:37 utc | 69
wrt the control of the situation. They would really have to frame something big
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 22 2024 19:31 utc | 66
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Psychotropic medication was invented in the 1950s. Musk has implanted a gadget in someone’s brain. The public has never been so pliable, or medicated.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 19:49 utc | 70
Agreed. Too many small change trifling comments.
If that’s where people put their energy it may indicate an unwillingness to deal with substantive, ie important, issues.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 22 2024 16:43 utc | 31
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I’m back from my walk. And yet, facts are still important to correct, arent they Aheno?
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 22 2024 19:50 utc | 71
“The Dima report headline today is ‘Russia captured Sieverne’. If that is true then it is a big development…”
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 19:37 utc | 67
Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 22 2024 20:00 utc | 72
too sents@47…. Spite? No, past actions. Spite: see Gaza.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 20:02 utc | 73
Russia, China, and the rest of the Resistance Axis need to get together and come up with an answer to HIMARS. The dailymail has videos of two recent strikes on Russian troops by HIMARS missiles and it cost them at least 100 troops.
Posted by: bored | Feb 22 2024 20:04 utc | 74
@ Anonymous | Feb 22 2024 20:00 utc | 71
I follow tg fairly closely and the past 48hrs there has been just crushing grinding advance along the entire line, in a way that is much more impactful than the capture of this or that single village.
And the pace of the grind is clearly accelerating.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 20:06 utc | 75
bisfugged@51….well, that’s a leprechaun for ya! Cantankerous cynical wee bastard. Your welcome.
Cheers M
…maybe, just maybe, economics, religion and politics aside …..some of us are tired of the unnecessary deaths in the Ukraine… could be just me though.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 20:13 utc | 76
This is the entirely predictable result of Russian indecision and dithering, of failing to take this war seriously from the outset.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 22 2024 19:37 utc | 68
The thing is from the Russian perspective this isn’t a “war” against the Ukrainian people. To the Russians this is a limited military action against the current regime in Ukraine.
I’m not really sure what “dithering” you’re talking about. Unlike the USA Russia doesn’t keep a large infantry based army that is ready to go to war at a moments notice. Look at their budget … you don’t get strategic defence that includes a nuclear triad and an million man expeditionary army for under $100B USD.
It’s no coincidence that the only country on earth that has both these capabilities happens to be the country with a magic printing press AND a $35T mortgage. This is why it’s the Russians 2 years to build an army to liberate the Donbas … they literally had to refurbish tanks and artillery that were in storage, get arms factories out of mothball, build new factories and train an army how to use them as well as an army of technicians to build munitions.
So please tell me where the Russians “dithered”? Were they supposed to start a shooting war with NATO at a time they were still trying to raise an army to fight in Ukraine? Send their aircraft over Ukraine and leave Russian airspace open to NATO? Nuke the USA? There is this dictum about warfare about choosing the time and place to fight … lets just see what Russia does going forward.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 22 2024 20:19 utc | 77
Tucker Carlson did another bombshell interview, this time with a former State Dept official talking about when, why, and how the US switched from pushing free speech as part of their regime change operations, to stomping down on free speech after their own citizens started using it to rebel against their own regimes.
One part I thought very interesting may give some insight into why the US seems convinced that they can win the war with propaganda. The theory is that they don’t have to win a shooting war if they can regime change targeted governments with their own puppet, who will turn over the country’s resources without a fight.
Ammo? Ammo? We don’t need no stinkin’ ammo. We have the Mighty Wurlitzer.
https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-the-national-security-state-the-inversion-of-democracy/
Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 22 2024 20:29 utc | 78
In response to
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Why would anyone believe anything that comes from the Bureau of Lies and Stories (BLS).
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 22 2024 19:17 utc | 62
”
Back in the early 70’s when I was working for state government helping run the public service jobs program of the day (CETA/PSE), the BLS statistics were much better but then we hadn’t lost our country entirely to the God Of Mammon cult yet.
Between 1949 and 1986 the US also had a Fairness Doctrine related to the media presenting all sides of issues but that is long gone as well……its all lies now, I know that well.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 20:31 utc | 79
Ammo? Ammo? We don’t need no stinkin’ ammo. We have the Mighty Wurlitzer.
https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-the-national-security-state-the-inversion-of-democracy/
Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 22 2024 20:29 utc | 77
Reality show with nukes as UW once said, reality show with nukes.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 22 2024 20:32 utc | 80
Black Mountain Analysis also has an interview with colonel Trukhan. Highly advisable for listening.
Our today’s guest- Colonel of the Central Apparatus of the Russian Ministry of Defense in reserve Vladimir Trukhan, Vladimir is also social psychologist.
Our expert: Mike Mihajlovic top military engineer, who has 20 years of experience as an officer (First in the Yugoslav army then in the Canadian armed forces) and reached the rank of captain
We were joined by our founder – Aleks who is expert in economics and technology.
Today we discussed:
– Short overview of the events since 2014 (or. better say, 2004)
– Possible partisan movement in the Ukraine
– Recent military success of Russia
– State of Ukrainian air defence
– Possible supply of Taurus missiles, FPV drones and etc to the AFU
– Possible provocations in Transnistria
– Black Sea fleet
– What Russian equipment AFU have really destroyed
– Is Russia really importing ammo?
– Navalny – who was he and was he that significant, as he is portrayed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWpt3f_K5F8
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 20:36 utc | 81
I’m back from my walk. And yet, facts are still important to correct, arent they Aheno?
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 22 2024 19:50 utc | 70
Well, I’m glad you got some exercise, old boy.
No dispute about facts, but hairsplitting mental masturbation draws people from the premise of a comment and, as mentioned, may reflect an immature desire to avoid the forest for a single trifling tree.
Your essay on the history of Holocausts was very nice yesterday. Maybe write a book or something. However, its not really suitable for this format.
Don’t forget to walk today, my man.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 22 2024 20:37 utc | 82
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 19:23 utc | 63
If you doubt that the video comes from Ukraine, I doubt that your name is Malenkov, I doubt that Navalny is dead, I doubt that Russia took Avdyeyevka, etc.
Just read that 72% of Ukrainians would like a peace deal with Russia:
https://twitter.com/camille_moscow/status/1760677007208382831?s=20
After all the penis piano player was elected for that.
Posted by: Naive | Feb 22 2024 20:38 utc | 83
“And the pace of the grind is clearly accelerating.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 22 2024 20:06 utc | 74”
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Agreed. Just don’t overegg the pudding. The actual true facts are enough.
And watch out for people trying to get in front of the locomotive and “report” something that hasn’t happened yet, that they hope will happen. Very human failing…
Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 22 2024 20:40 utc | 84
22
Correct!
They will ship it with or without clown show in Bundeszirkustag
So many weapons and nato advisors arrived & arriving secretly
They give a sh* about redlines or bundeszirkus
Posted by: SlowSoft | Feb 22 2024 20:41 utc | 85
Putin and his flight on Tu-160M. We all know what happened when Putin arrived to Grozny in Su-27 fighter jet in spring 2020. Flying on Tu-160M which is a nuclear bomber and sitting in captain seat is a message to NATO.
Posted by: J_Schneider | Feb 22 2024 21:07 utc | 86
ZH has a posting up with the title
Zelensky Opens Ukraine’s National Guard To Foreigners Amid Severe Manpower Crisis
the quote
Ukraine’s leadership has long been mulling a new mass mobilization and conscription drive, which has received immense pushback from the war-wearied population. But instead of implementing that controversial measure domestically, President Zelensky is going a different route. He on Wednesday signed a decree opening up Ukraine’s military forces to “foreigners and stateless persons.”
They can now volunteer to serve in Ukraine’s National Guard, per the new order, and may sign a contract at the private, sergeant, or officer levels depending on their qualifications.
Ukrainian media reports say, “To join the National Guard, foreign citizens need to apply to the territorial center for recruitment and social support (TSC) at their place of residence or directly to the military unit in which they want to serve.” Foreigners can join for an initial three-year period, with higher ranks possibly being committed for up to five years.
What’s more is that “Foreign women can also be recruited for military service if there are vacant female military positions,” according to the reports.
We need to expand the (down to the last Ukrainian) concept to include the zombies for hire.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 21:08 utc | 87
BreakThrough News, of which I know nothing and the certain Socialist guy, Brian with VJ Prashad in a rather intelligent discussion:
Why U.S. is Pushing “Long War” Strategy in Ukraine War
Always surprised to find something new, that shapes that social layer.
Posted by: whirlX | Feb 22 2024 22:11 utc | 88
by psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 21:08 utc | 86
NATO troops, welcome!
Posted by: whirlX | Feb 22 2024 22:13 utc | 89
Putin does not scare NATO, and most definitely not the UKUS, huge provocation incoming, before the Russian election.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 16:26 utc | 27
Must be why they’re always talking about him. Putin lives rent-free in the minds of the leaders of the US/UK. Also, no provocations incoming, none…
Posted by: James M. | Feb 22 2024 22:20 utc | 90
..for those who skipped grade eight, one mile equals 1.6 kilometres….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 15:57 utc | 19
It must be easy for you then…No need to be cute, just put a little bit of effort into your posts…
Posted by: James M. | Feb 22 2024 22:22 utc | 91
Very interesting interview with colonel Trukhan. Some observations:
-aim is to preserve Zaporozhye and collapse AFU in a way that will lead to mitigation of infrastructure damage in major towns or major cities
-Kupyansk is different, and may require assault which can lead to damage of city
-the reason why Western MSM narrative has been shifted to delivering ‘1 million drones’ is because western industry already have companies producing drones, it requires minimal changes and even toy drone manufacturers can deliver
-single drones do not have a significant impact nor firepower of long range precision artillery or MLRS shells
-The West talks of Ukraine receiving 1 million drones, this is in fact a number repeated from last year, so far no increased drone activity has been witnessed
-in other words, the narrative shifts to drones because there are no other viable weapons in quantities
-Russia has specialized teams and methods to hunt down AFU drone operators, the most skilled ones are already hit
-fun facto: drone operators are not often hit with drones, they are located with some method and struck with an air strike or guided artillery
-it takes a lot less effort and time to train a drone operator vs. artillery man
-AFU had 51 divisions of S-300 air defense in February 2022 – currently air defense is sporadic, and limited to point defending certain targets which have no significant impact on either RUAF air force ops on the front line nor strategic strikes in the rear
Re. naval drones:
-first time in history we see mass use of naval drones
-AFU successful strikes on ships are in single digits
-Black Sea fleet has made some mistakes
-the ships that were struck are oldest ships in BSF and were due to scrapping after SMO ends
-new methods against drones need to be developed, so far no modern ship has been hit
Re. front line vehicles:
-significant amount of front / rear area repair shops for vehicles
-different levels of repairs, the deepest repairs require sending vehicle to manufacturer workshop
-generates lot of traffic moving damaged vehicles back and forth
-most vehicles do come back to front line after repaired
Re. Navalny:
-Navalny was a nobody in Russia since 2017 after he just started scamming schemes
-Navalny was involved in western regime change attempts in 2011 and 2014
-He was convicted of economic scam crimes
-Comparable to any random guy from Los Angeles claiming to be a major opponent to Joe Biden
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 22:25 utc | 92
psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 21:08 utc | 86
*** President Zelensky is going a different route. He on Wednesday signed a decree opening up Ukraine’s military forces to “foreigners and stateless persons.”
They can now volunteer to serve in Ukraine’s National Guard, per the new order, and may sign a contract at the private, sergeant, or officer levels depending on their qualifications.***
Maybe an attempt to disguise the number of NATO-seconded “mercenaries” now being deployed?
Also (fakely) change their legal status?
Posted by: Cynic | Feb 22 2024 22:33 utc | 93
….for those who skipped grade eight, one mile equals 1.6 kilometres….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 15:57 utc | 19
What’s “grade 8”?
Posted by: nwwoods | Feb 22 2024 22:46 utc | 94
@Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 22 2024 20:29 utc | 77
Tucker exists in a parallel make-believe universe where the US state once supported free speech, probably sometime in the 1950s when McCarthyism, COINTELPRO and the CIA control of significant numbers of media personalities was at its height, and Black people “knew their place”. Or perhaps when his dad ran Voice of America. Nowhere in his memory does the fascist state that Woodrow Wilson created from 1917-1920 exist. Nor the extremely regular utter lies told to support US wars of aggression.
Tucker has many useful guests and useful insights, but he just cant accept that the US state has always been an imperialist aggressive power with a capitalist elite that control the state and what are acceptable opinions within society, as that would utterly destroy his underlying ideological worldview.
Dima says some sources claim 20 British officers and soldiers were killed during the attack on the Patriot missile complex near Kherson. The launcher truck was spotted on the road and followed to the storage, every single building was struck and destroyed. During last 9 months the west gave Ukraine 7 Patriot systems and 5 were supposedly struck. A single Patriot complex costs over $1 billion.
AFU used Himars to destroy some vehicle launcher south of Kherson.
There is a high possibility Sieverne is indeed in RUAF control, which means Latokychne and Tonenke will be impossible to hold beyond a short time frame. The domino after that would also extend to Pervomaiske which will now be enveloped from yet another direction from N/NE.
RUAF breached the AFU first defense line in south/mid Rabotyne, an AFU counter-attack is expected.
RUAF has foothold in eastern part of Ivanovske, also north of it, to the west and NW there are forests which could need to be cleared first to make Ivanovske fall perhaps easier.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 23:20 utc | 96
From Civfanatics forums, Russia Invades Ukraine: The 7th Thread Itch; scratch it here!
22 Feb. 2024, 11:54am.
“This cracked me up, not gonna lie 😆
On a serious note, moving to Spain, a country that has been infested with Russians of all sorts since the fall of USSR was not a very smart move.”
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/russia-invades-ukraine-the-7th-thread-itch-scratch-it-here.684097/page-291
A few Civfanatics moderators are allowing these disgusting insults against people who are not involved in the conflict.
Hopefully more people will tell them what they think. It would be a shame to destroy the reputation of an otherwise great game because of a few fools.
Posted by: Deaf2America | Feb 22 2024 23:20 utc | 97
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 16:24 utc | 26
I use an adaptation of the rational political Spectrum:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/redefining_the_political_spectru.htm
“The Rational Spectrum ….
Thanks for that reference. A great site and a great essay. Am unable to follow it all, being a bear of very little brain, but now understand better why most political labels are gobbledygook.
Strangely, I think Mussolini made quite a bit of sense with the will to power business: disregarding the label, whatever system is in force is the system there actually is at any given time and most such systems share this force principle in common despite any seeming ideological differences. It seems there is a fixed menu of constants, similar to primary colours, which can be mixed or separated no end of ways, but which are in constant flux.
In theory, Confucius cracked this a long time ago but in fact he was often denounced and China has been continuously changing and evolving like all civilizations.
Personally, I think some sort of balance has to be found: certain things should not change easily or often so that core reference points, including vocabulary and multi-generational world view, can remain whilst other things adapt to ever-changing circumstance, including spiritual and other developments.
But if every few generations everything gets chucked, then the lack of continuity becomes a huge obstacle in itself because society becomes a Tower of Babble essentially with nobody being able to understand anyone else unless they band together in some sort of same-thinking tribe which understands each other pretty well.
Of course, understanding is one thing; actually running civilizations effectively is something else.
nwwoods@93…it’s the middle grade of Jr High School, were kids really start to learn about fractions, integers and decimal points. But converting kliks to miles and back is basic math.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 23:47 utc | 99
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – The International Monetary Fund is currently discussing a financial program with Ukraine but cannot confirm that the parties are close to an agreement that would allow a new disbursement, an IMF spokesperson told Sputnik.
but
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – The International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned on Thursday that Western plans to confiscate frozen Russian assets could threaten the international monetary system and carry other unanticipated risks.
cos
Western media reported earlier in the day that the IMF and Ukraine are close to an agreement over the next $900 million disbursement from a $15.6 billion loan.
Posted by: Jo | Feb 22 2024 23:50 utc | 100