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February 18, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-053
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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“The real change in performance is as a result of the Russian military being in the end-cycle of assimilation and distribution of combat experienced personnel, using adapted SOP’s, whereas the Ukrainian’s are in the end-cycle of a decline and deterioration of their accumulated combat knowledge. The former only increases in strength, as force survival rates and thus combat knowledge accumulation steadily increase, the latter is the reverse, both cycles interact and influence each other, further accelerating the speed of the respective incline/decline cycles. The terminal glide path of Ukrainian combat effectiveness steepens daily, Western ISR/logistical/training support and sporadic deployments of high-end systems could only buy time, not reverse this age old phenomenon; however, this is how the intellectually mediocre and competency-challenged gamblers, who currently run the West, operate. Anything to extend their reign, days literally bought with the blood and tears of those they supposedly serve.” “Yes, they are now, but it wasn’t always so. Before they decided to “de-communize”, they made amazing Antonov aircraft. The Ukraine produced remarkable people like engineers Sergei Korolev and Igor Sikorsky, composer Sergei Prokofiev, and skater Oksana Baiul. Sure, Baiul went to shit, but that happened pretty much at the same time and for the same reason the rest of the Ukraine went to shit: the embrace of western (US) culture. They sunk into turbo-delusion. Like a society of heroin addicts living in their dreams they let everything of beauty and value in the Ukraine turn to shit while they imagined how wonderful their lives could be if they were born into an American soap opera like Dallas or Baywatch. They absolutely loved Dallas… doubtless that is what they imagined typical life in capitalist society was like and so felt cheated and robbed by the Communists… delusional fools. Posted by: Passerby | Feb 18 2024 18:41 utc | 53 Posted by: Newbie | Feb 19 2024 12:59 utc | 203 As to Odessa, if Kiev collapses and they cheer Russian liberators, that’s fine. Odessa is still a long ways away, relative to movement in battle lines. The White House just announced that there is only “plan A” for Ukraine and nothing else. Russia can do better than such Western foolishness and still get what it needs. I don’t think any of us would wish to see Odessa end up heavily bombed. Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 19 2024 13:02 utc | 204 Ukraine has no answer for the precision glider bombs. Russia can now wipe out large targeted areas. They have enormous quantities of FAB 500’s. This destroys morale and makes advancing much easier. Ukraine needs to surrender. Posted by: Kurt | Feb 19 2024 13:03 utc | 205 “@112, apologies to Polsan, had a real bad day, no excuse, but we burried a friend today, who while having a mental break down, in their own home, was shot and killed by police conducting a mental wellness check…..such is the state of Health Care in Canada…..” Posted by: Cynic | Feb 19 2024 1:01 utc | 127 Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2024 13:10 utc | 207 Another double Iskander strike hit in Selydove overnight. (Dima’s latest @ 6:33 mark) Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 19 2024 13:12 utc | 208 200…this confirms my post few days ago…a known person after4 weeks training from Kharkiv now on frontline stating that behind them were Polish and UK military directing affairs . Posted by: Jo | Feb 19 2024 13:19 utc | 209 Passerby @ 53
FOR THE FIRST TIME – U.S. CENTCOM confirms Yemeni undersea drone attack in Red Sea taking place yesterday – marking major development in the waterway. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 13:22 utc | 210 Posted by: Jo | Feb 19 2024 13:19 utc | 209 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 13:27 utc | 211 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 13:27 utc | 211 Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2024 13:48 utc | 212
Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2024 13:49 utc | 213 “The man deserves our respect for his forbearance.” Posted by: Pagan | Feb 19 2024 14:00 utc | 214 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 13:22 utc | 210 Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2024 14:03 utc | 215 #167…there been “light” bombing of one street of the Prague in the very end of the WW2 in the MAY of 1945 in …maybe Honzo ..know more about it… —- Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 19 2024 14:17 utc | 217 Re the Duran reporting that Putin hates Merkel so much for her lying over the Minsk treaty. Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 14:21 utc | 218 The BBC’s News website is working overtime pumping out Russophobic propaganda lies today. Posted by: Engineer-John | Feb 19 2024 14:27 utc | 219 Some interesting facts I wasn’t aware of: Posted by: WMG | Feb 19 2024 14:34 utc | 220 Russia now storming Robotyne. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 19 2024 14:54 utc | 221 The Follow The Money series Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 14:57 utc | 222 “THE BUTCHER’: Ukraine Sends Troops To MEAT GRINDER To Prevent Retreat” Posted by: WMG | Feb 19 2024 15:09 utc | 223 If there is still a massive amount of Ukro troops left to fight then I hope they are mostly of the conscripted, 2-week training variety and are easily mowed down or want to surrender!! Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 19 2024 15:12 utc | 224 I don’t get any impression that Ukrainians have lost the will to fight. The Nazis remained a dangerous enemy until very close to the end and as they were pushed over long geographies. Same with the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. European armies are not Arabs or Persians that get routed. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 15:44 utc | 225 I do have some hopes that Lastditchkno (funny name) can be taken. But it’s interesting that it wasn’t right away. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 15:48 utc | 226 Just reported NTV/ Germany Posted by: osssi | Feb 19 2024 15:57 utc | 227 Maxim Kuzminov, the Russian pilot that flew a helicopter to Ukraine in 2023 has been murdered in Spain. Two other crew members were shot in conjunction with the event. Kuzminov bragged he was paid $500k, and supposedly had problems with alcohol and drugs. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 15:58 utc | 228 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 15:44 utc | 225 Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Feb 19 2024 16:01 utc | 229 by Honzo | Feb 19 2024 4:59 utc | 154 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 19 2024 16:05 utc | 230 Posted by: osssi | Feb 19 2024 15:57 utc | 227 Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 19 2024 16:08 utc | 231
seeing how the west wont stop pouring weapons into this conflict, along with vacationeers, this is going to escalate bigly, to paraphrase trump. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 19 2024 16:13 utc | 232 #231 Posted by: Ossi | Feb 19 2024 16:17 utc | 233 “If Russia can grab Chasiv Yar and a few small villages, the opportunity to roll up pretty big chunks of territory will present itself. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 16:25 utc | 234 I don’t think either of those countries are crazy enough to send troops against the Russian army. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 19 2024 16:33 utc | 235 Glide bombs are not a wonder weapon, but just a part of an overall issue for Ukraine, which is the Russian superiority in the air. Just an aspect of air bombardment, which is only one of the uses of aviation. And it’s “superiority”, not US-style air “dominance”. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 16:37 utc | 236 but they will get their ad according to that 15 states airdefense coalition. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 19 2024 16:42 utc | 237 Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 19 2024 16:42 utc | 236 Posted by: Mario | Feb 19 2024 16:52 utc | 238 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 15:48 utc | 226 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 16:53 utc | 239 “they cannot quit project ukraine. sunk cost phallacy is trough the roof already. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 16:56 utc | 240 I actually think Putin would agree to a neutral Ukraine and frozen boundaries. — Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 19 2024 17:08 utc | 241 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 16:56 utc | 239 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 17:10 utc | 242 RT: Scott Ritter: Helping Crimea recover from decades of Ukrainian misrule is a tough but necessary challenge Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 19 2024 17:16 utc | 243 228 – Or the Russians got him, for revenge and to “encourage the others”. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 19 2024 17:16 utc | 244 Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 14:57 utc | 222 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 19 2024 17:20 utc | 245 Wrote
— Posted by: persiflo | Feb 19 2024 17:31 utc | 246 @DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 14:57 utc | 222 Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 19 2024 17:34 utc | 247
From now on, any town will not be of strategic importance. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 17:46 utc | 248 Those class of ships could hear those glorified torpedoes from approx 100-200km away, I’d also guess an outer perimeter with dunking sonars or sensor buoys is being used, or a SSN is sprinting and drifting. Posted by: MAKK | Feb 19 2024 18:06 utc | 249 NBC: US wants to give Ukraine longer-range ATACMS missiles for attacks on Posted by: Ossi | Feb 19 2024 18:11 utc | 250 There were/are still civilians in Avdeevka, perhaps 1k. “Russia has come. I feel good.” Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 19 2024 18:12 utc | 251 by Anonymous | Feb 19 2024 16:56 utc | 239 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 19 2024 18:16 utc | 252
Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2024 18:16 utc | 253 No way will the War Party allow Kiev to negotiate a peace treaty. The War Party wants to fight to the last Ukrainian. Still a few million to go Posted by: Exile | Feb 19 2024 18:20 utc | 254
sadly, thats the way the west wants to hurt russia. a strategic defeat as they say. in reality, they want to kill russians for the simple fact that they defy their fascist agenda. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 19 2024 18:27 utc | 255 Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 19 2024 12:32 utc | 198 Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 19 2024 18:28 utc | 256 Russia and VVP will never settle for a frozen front in any peace talks…..its way too late for all that Minsk non-sense. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Feb 19 2024 18:43 utc | 257 @ ossi, §227: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 19 2024 18:50 utc | 258 Anonymous@234…..FABs make it exponential, everything speeds up going forward. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 19 2024 18:56 utc | 259 Avdeyevka fell without the need for prigozhin or his Wagner group. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 18:57 utc | 260 unimperator | Feb 19 2024 17:10 utc | 242 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 19 2024 18:58 utc | 261 The next set of fortified towns, far NW of Avdeevka, namely Chasov Yar, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are apparently under heavy attack with cruise, ballistic missiles, MLRS and drones. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 18:59 utc | 262 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Feb 19 2024 18:43 utc | 257 Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 19 2024 19:02 utc | 263 I have been thinking about Prigozhin and Wagner lately…thinking about what a scumbag Prig was and how unimportant he is in the greater scheme of things. In retrospect, and at fleeting times in the moment, he was the most obvious of traitors. His public tantrums were attributed by some to Russian ‘maskirovka.’ I think this was hopeful but wrong. Just before his “march” on Moscow, his blatantly traitorous public declarations undermining the entire cause of the Russian SMO screamed out like a bad Hollywood script, one can easily imagined was prepared by the idiots on our side, who think that perception is reality, that his pronouncement that Russia was to blame would magically overturn the lived experience of thousands of victims in the Donbass and neutralize their say in the matter. It is amazing how hardly anybody talks about him now. Very much like hardly anybody talks about Gorbachev. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 19:04 utc | 264
They’ve certainly lost the will to die on behalf of their foreign masters. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 19 2024 19:05 utc | 265 Neither Norway nor Australia, nor any country in Western Europe have some degree of militarism built into their culture, unlike the US. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 19:09 utc | 266
But transcendentally good at information operations and strategy. Witness warning Erdogan of the coup, or a half dozen other steps which preempted the moves of the West. Some worry the Russians have some kind of quantum interception device, but it is more likely explained by solid methodolgies. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 19 2024 19:10 utc | 267 “…In 2021, the law on the sale of land came into force in Ukraine. As the Australian National Review neatly reported, “companies from the United States have used the new legislation to make massive investments in the country.” Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 19:32 utc | 268 “czech minister calls protesting farmers “kremlin sympathizers”. they see a red under their bed i think. completely insane. Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 19 2024 19:33 utc | 269
Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2024 19:38 utc | 270 Today Judy BYINGTON (RUMOUR MILLS) reported Zelensky being captured by Russian spec.forces on 2/17/24 and transferred to Black Dolphin Prison in Russia….do not know what to think about it…b….. Acco Hengst @ 177
To create the country they had to genocide native Americans and enslave Africans, despite attempts at self reflection and growth, the brief years of reconstruction and the 1950-60s, they never really moved beyond original sin. Witnessing the post 1970s culture wars and the ease with which the culture regressed back to the 19th century I’d say ultimately Americans relish their flaws more more than their virtues. It’s an indictment across the culture I’d rather not make, if we were talking about an individual you would say, he is disturbed, maybe in 20 minutes it will pass and I’ll be more optimistic. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 19:44 utc | 272 sejmon @ 271
His lucky break. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 19:54 utc | 273 Finian Cunningham has an article at Strategic Culture Foundation in which he references RF President Putin’s recent interview in Russian-language media. Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 19 2024 20:00 utc | 274 The performance of German diesel subs in exercises with the US Navy seems to speak against that assessment. Posted by: blueswede | Feb 19 2024 20:06 utc | 275 See this Pet Shop Boys, Go West music link from the start of the 90′, i remember the song well, but seeing it now gives me a whole different perspective: Posted by: Samu | Feb 19 2024 20:06 utc | 276 Today Judy BYINGTON (RUMOUR MILLS) reported Zelensky being captured by Russian spec.forces on 2/17/24 and transferred to Black Dolphin Prison in Russia….do not know what to think about it…b….. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 19 2024 20:07 utc | 277 I’d like to compare the electricity price of Algeria, Spain, Italy and Germany. Posted by: Passerby | Feb 19 2024 20:07 utc | 278 Posted by: Passerby | Feb 19 2024 20:07 utc | 278 Posted by: Mario | Feb 19 2024 20:14 utc | 279 “I don’t get any impression that Ukrainians have lost the will to fight. ” Posted by: 600w | Feb 19 2024 20:15 utc | 280 Not sure where you get data from or when. Posted by: Passerby | Feb 19 2024 20:29 utc | 281 The death by a thousand needles. The Resistance is multipolar Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 20:38 utc | 282 Not sure where you get data from or when. Posted by: Mario | Feb 19 2024 20:41 utc | 283 Data is relative to June 2023. Tariffs are changing at least quarterly or even less. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 19 2024 20:50 utc | 284 DunGroanin | Feb 19 2024 20:38 utc | 282 Posted by: robin | Feb 19 2024 20:52 utc | 285 Dima says Russian army HQ has changed the front line definitions. Whereas before there were 5 separate directions, now there are only 3 directions. Kherson and Zaporozhye are connected together, Novomikhalovka/Ugledar are the same, Avdeeva/South Donetsk are connected together, and Kupyansk/Lyman are connected together. This might imply some more coordinated, mutually supporting larger moves. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2024 20:52 utc | 286 On the reported death of the helicopter thief/daring hijacker – remember he didn’t just betray Russia for money, he was responsible for the death of his two crew-members, “shot while trying to escape”. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 19 2024 21:07 utc | 287 UK keeps donating UUVs and FPVs to fukraine to attack Russian ships. To get some traction on game theory application, Russia should give Houthis similar weapons to target Brishit ships in the MENA area. Looks like they have forgotten that they are an island. Posted by: Jason | Feb 19 2024 21:10 utc | 288 Some Russian commentators close to the Russia’s defence ministry claimed reports about Kuzminov’s killing were planted by Ukraine’s intelligence services to fake the pilot’s death. “Don’t get too excited,” Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-appointed official in southern Ukraine, wrote on Telegram. “They want to create a new biography with a clean slate and a new name for the traitor.” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 19 2024 21:17 utc | 289 Many good, informative posts here, particularly unimperator at 239 and anon2020. Thanks Posted by: dadooronron | Feb 19 2024 21:18 utc | 290 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon @ 287 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 21:20 utc | 291 Wrong thread really, but the British ship Rubymar targeted by the Houthis has reportedly sunk. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 19 2024 21:26 utc | 292 unimperator @ 242
Sunak looks like he has to buy his suits in the boys department of Brooks Brothers or whatever is the Brit equivalent. Lions led by a miniature pony, I don’t see too many Brits charging behind his battle cry. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 19 2024 21:35 utc | 293 In the pacific northwest, where I am, it is very cheap, compared to the rest of the USA because we have hydro power… (Something the leftists also want to destroy). Posted by: kupkee | Feb 19 2024 21:35 utc | 294 Dima offers some surprising opinions/claims ! That Zelensky is polling field commanders as to how long they can continue fighting in holding Russia back. This is interpreted as preparation for surrender. There is a claim that Ukr. army is abandoning Kupiansk. I guess the question is, are they actually on the run from the front? Has panic set in? Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 19 2024 21:35 utc | 295 so they could have cheap electric power. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 19 2024 21:39 utc | 296 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 19 2024 21:26 utc | 292 Posted by: watcher | Feb 19 2024 21:47 utc | 297 Posted by: Ossi | Feb 19 2024 16:17 utc | 233 Posted by: Naive | Feb 19 2024 21:47 utc | 298 @ Feral Finster, §269: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 19 2024 21:48 utc | 299 This should be worrysome: Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 19 2024 21:48 utc | 300 |
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