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February 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-045
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Mini-Stalingrad in Avdeevka (situation at 18.00 02/12/24). Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 21:17 utc | 201 Nice shifting of goalposts. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 21:19 utc | 202 What we do know about COVID-19 is that it presents the greatest risk to the elderly and those with seriously compromised health. Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 21:25 utc | 203 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 21:17 utc | 201 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 21:29 utc | 204 by Milites | Feb 12 2024 20:39 utc | 195 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 21:30 utc | 205 If you believe the Moon landings hoax, with tech from the 1960s, but not replicated in 50 years despite the tremendous military value of a lunar base, just because the Soviets kept quiet… you are probably an American patriot. Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 21:41 utc | 206 Credit goes to Pepe Escobar for digging this up and posting it to his Telegraph. As printed in the 1911 Britannica: Once RAF break through to Industrialny and establish direct lines of sight across the fields it will be near impossible to move significant resources into the Coke plant. Syrsky will try anyway but the few days lost on Zaluzhny might be the biggest strategic failure after Bakhmut. Posted by: SOS | Feb 12 2024 22:28 utc | 208
I’m thinking that the Ukies intel about Russian preparedness there is about as competent as the intel the Ukies had before the great counteroffensive last summer. Intel being an oxymoron. Posted by: Mike R | Feb 12 2024 22:34 utc | 209 Re: Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 21:41 utc | 206
Why on Earth would the Soviets go along with handing the Americans a huge propaganda victory?!? Posted by: Julian | Feb 12 2024 22:39 utc | 210 Keep old encyclopedias and books, as they might lead to the assumption that history shapes the current reality to the imaginative while to the unimaginative, a reality is now and that is it – that is a one deprived of a self-reflection. Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 22:47 utc | 211 malenkov | Feb 12 2024 21:41 utc | 206 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 12 2024 23:28 utc | 212 Meant at the time of the so-called “space race”, which led to the moon landings. Posted by: Cynic | Feb 12 2024 23:34 utc | 213 I think it’s odd the technology of traveling to the moon is perhaps the only technology that has not progressed the last 50 years, in fact it has disappeared entirely. It couldn’t be a hoax though! Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 12 2024 23:49 utc | 214 by malenkov | Feb 12 2024 21:44 utc | 89 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 13 2024 0:07 utc | 215 Apologies, but the thread disrupters have won already. Congratulations shadow**** Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 13 2024 0:14 utc | 216 Yes the choice is obvious to other countries, but to the US it’s not. US beliefs are odious enough, coupled with delusional beliefs they are downright dangerous. I’d settle for realpolitik. Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 0:16 utc | 217 by James M. | Feb 13 2024 0:16 utc | 217 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 13 2024 0:20 utc | 218 If you believe the Moon landings hoax, with tech from the 1960s, but not replicated in 50 years despite the tremendous military value of a lunar base, just because the Soviets kept quiet… you are probably an American patriot. Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 0:20 utc | 219
What these conspiracy theories fail to account for is that the Soviets/Russians themselves are very far from repeating their successes from the 1960s and 1970s. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 0:37 utc | 220 @181 re: long train near Marinka Volnovakha etc … weird. would make an interesting EW contraption, though why on earth you need a one-time-trick of that magnitude in that area is beyond me. Posted by: pxx | Feb 13 2024 0:37 utc | 221 @201 re Yuri Podolyaka report & Avdeevka prognosis Posted by: pxx | Feb 13 2024 0:44 utc | 222 So pilgrims and settlers still reign? Really? Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 0:47 utc | 223
It hasn’t happened for the simple reason that the resources for it were misallocated and wasted. Not that it would be all the valuable on its own once it had been done several times. Something like a manned mission to Mars would be a different story, as that would involve solving new problems that do matter. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 1:02 utc | 224 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Feb 13 2024 1:11 utc | 225 by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 0:37 utc | 220
Roskosmos generated lots of moneys. They were almost 20 years a shuttle service for launching satellites, cheaper per kg and more reliable than any other, maintainers of a space station, and had enabled SpaceX to create their wonder rockets. They build amazing satellites, and have R&D going on rather far. In Russia in general among engineers and technical people is a saying if it is good for Roscosmos, it is good enough for everyone, while Chinese have a deep respect to Ros. Soviets hated mishaps, but Russians are less prone due to a serial production of the rockets without changing them much, if at all. No need for even more green rocket or such stuff. Posted by: whirlX | Feb 13 2024 1:30 utc | 226 Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 0:47 utc | 223 Posted by: Milites | Feb 13 2024 1:32 utc | 227 Simplistic analysis whose omissions are more revealing than the précis, and begs the question, what happened to Africa then? Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 2:50 utc | 229 ZH has a posting up with the title
I would only point out how Russia stupid Musk sounds with his Putin assassination would change everything sound bite. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2024 2:55 utc | 230 Paranaense@177….if you know anyone who takes blood at a lab ask them about the 150% spike in blood related disorders, children with heart issues…..the list is long and harrowing…so many new sicknesses post jab…..but it’s good for you…..yeah right. Best to just stay away from like the politicians did…..Doug Ford in Canada big Vax pusher, like huge….his daughter outed the fucking hypocrite…he’s not vaxxed, but its good for you …yeah right. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 13 2024 3:23 utc | 231 Right now there are almost no planes over Poland, exactly where GPS is disturbed for some days already. Posted by: whirlX | Feb 13 2024 3:37 utc | 232 Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 2:50 utc | 229 Posted by: Milites | Feb 13 2024 3:40 utc | 233 So, no real answer to an obvious flaw in your simplistic analysis, just a hint at a pseudo- intellectual superiority (dissertation, no thanks mate, I wrote one of those, very tedious to reference). I take it the ‘learn Mandarin’ should be filed under the, learn Japanese, a statement popular in the 80’s-90’s and referenced by many eager to see American power eclipsed; however, like your advice, it too failed to appreciate the inherent weaknesses of the preferred usurper Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 4:49 utc | 234 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 12 2024 23:49 utc | 214 Posted by: Eclavdra | Feb 13 2024 6:36 utc | 235 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 13 2024 3:37 utc | 232 Posted by: Ossie | Feb 13 2024 6:37 utc | 236 #235 Posted by: ossie | Feb 13 2024 6:42 utc | 237 Secondly, there’s huge difference between China today, and Japan of the ’80s. In the first place, China has a much larger population base, and manufacturing capacity, not to mention more natural resources. To boot, China doesn’t host American troops as Japan has continually since WWII. China has no such ties to the US. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 6:44 utc | 238
Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 6:45 utc | 239
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21631 Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 6:47 utc | 240 RT Posted by: Osssi | Feb 13 2024 6:48 utc | 241 I would only point out how Russia stupid Musk sounds with his Putin assassination would change everything sound bite. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 6:49 utc | 242
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21628
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21629
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21633
Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 6:51 utc | 243
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21630 Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 6:52 utc | 244
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/88540 Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 6:54 utc | 245 I can somewhat agree on other arguments but China having ample natural resources?? This is ill informed at best. Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 6:56 utc | 246 Tucker Carlson’s First Discussion Since Putin Interview | World Government Summit 2024 Full Panel Posted by: Fuki | Feb 13 2024 7:00 utc | 247 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 6:49 utc | 242 Posted by: Ossii | Feb 13 2024 7:01 utc | 248
Good observation about Soviet Sci-Fi. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 7:06 utc | 249 Addendum to the idea Putin ex Posted by: Ossi | Feb 13 2024 7:09 utc | 250 China has the biggest deposits of rare earths in the world. The future is not going to be tied to fossil fuels, no the future is in rare earths. Think more broadly, not narrow. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 7:16 utc | 251 In a potential war with say the US, China will face critical shortages of fossil fuels. Solar power is nice but not useful in the battlefield with current tech. Posted by: ossi | Feb 13 2024 7:35 utc | 252 @ Fuki | Feb 13 2024 7:00 utc | 247 with the link to the Tucker Carlson interview….1st after Putin Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2024 7:35 utc | 253 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 7:16 utc | 251 Posted by: Mario | Feb 13 2024 7:44 utc | 254 I know that but China hasn’t solved the issue with fossil fuels that is why it still imports a huge amount of them to power its industry. It is good to think about the Future but the Present is what matters most. In a potential war with say the US, China will face critical shortages of fossil fuels. Solar power is nice but not useful in the battlefield with current tech. Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 8:00 utc | 255 Russia declares Estonian PM Kaja Kallas a ‘wanted’ person Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 13 2024 9:28 utc | 256 Russia to double military presence along Nato border, Estonia warns Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 13 2024 9:32 utc | 257
Maybe has something to do with her open admission during the previous munich security conference, where she admitted the falsification of history in their history schoolbooks to basically incite hatred towards everything russian. Live on camera. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2024 9:33 utc | 258 Perhaps related: Finland just elected a very pro-Nato globalist/federalist president on Sunday. Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 13 2024 9:35 utc | 259 Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2024 7:35 utc | 253 Posted by: Deeplurker | Feb 13 2024 9:46 utc | 260 There was an interesting point in Dima report today. Apparently some sort of new personal anti-drone EW warfare systems have been developed, which can jam drones. Within a squad, 2 or 3 persons may carry such systems to protect the entire group from drones. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2024 9:51 utc | 261
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21637 Posted by: Down South | Feb 13 2024 9:54 utc | 262 The Great and The Good ….
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 13 2024 9:58 utc | 263
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/western-defence-industrial-experts-strike Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2024 10:06 utc | 264 “Considering who China has a border with? Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 10:48 utc | 265 I’m thinking that the Ukies intel about Russian preparedness there is about as competent as the intel the Ukies had before the great counteroffensive last summer. Intel being an oxymoron. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 10:56 utc | 266 What happens if relationships between China and Russia sour in the future? Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 10:58 utc | 268 regarding the next 13th sanctions package, i noticed that theres thinkgs like:
that part in bold. shouldnt it say “military industrial complex”? is the “and” a misquote? if not, then china, india, and every other country should notice how the eu is actievly sabotaging another countrys industry base that does not contribute to military, and that something like this will come for them if they dont put their foot down now. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2024 11:00 utc | 269 You don’t know that relationship the way I know that relationship. I’ve spent more than a decade studying it. Suffice to say that’s not going to happen for a very, very long time. Especially if the US keeps pushing its asinine foreign policy towards both. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 11:11 utc | 270
i just love it when our unelected idiots spout poop like this. ~40% or so of the european continent is russia alone (i may have to look up the correct numbers), but they always exclude russia when the talk about “europe”. Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2024 11:13 utc | 271 #270 Posted by: Ossi | Feb 13 2024 11:30 utc | 272 #271 Posted by: ossi | Feb 13 2024 11:34 utc | 273 What happens if relationships between China and Russia sour in the future? Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2024 11:37 utc | 274 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 13 2024 10:48 utc | 265 Posted by: Mario | Feb 13 2024 11:42 utc | 275 Selidovo training grounds has reportedly been struck with cluster munitions. AFU reserves to be deployed to Avdeevka were apparently grouped there. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2024 11:43 utc | 276 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 20:03 utc | 184
Why bother to answer — and then in such a stupid way ? Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 13 2024 11:45 utc | 277 Zur größe Russlands Posted by: Ossi | Feb 13 2024 11:48 utc | 278 Several Iskander’s and Smerch in Selidovo, potentially thousand(s) casualties.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2024 11:48 utc | 279 Sorry !! Posted by: Ossi | Feb 13 2024 11:49 utc | 280
Someone is confused about a temporary staging yard for the collection and repatriation of stolen state assets. Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2024 11:55 utc | 281 Anecdotal evidence is not proof of the validity of an argument. What I said still stands, Russian assets are not Chinese ones despite their good relationship. China doesn’t get oil for free nor Russia can afford to sell it lower than it does right now. Posted by: James M | Feb 13 2024 11:56 utc | 282 huge fields that no one in the West, including the USA, has ever seen Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2024 12:01 utc | 283 unimperator | Feb 13 2024 11:48 utc | 279 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 13 2024 12:09 utc | 284 And now the pressure is set… Zaluhzny justified in his rage… ..he can do it better he thinks… Posted by: UWDude | Feb 13 2024 12:19 utc | 285 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 0:37 utc | 220
the primitive CIPSO agent again ……. Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 13 2024 12:23 utc | 286 In other words, spectacular attacks, making it appear syrskyi to be completely incompetent. An illusion of control that never was. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 13 2024 12:31 utc | 287 Posted by: James M. | Feb 13 2024 6:56 utc | 246
James M. , why try to answer this stupid barb honestly ? Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 13 2024 12:49 utc | 288 281 Posted by: Jo | Feb 13 2024 12:51 utc | 289 Soviet Sci-Fi of the 1960s most definitely didn’t imagine the 20002, 2010s and 2020s looking they way things actually unfolded in socioeconomic terms. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 13 2024 12:51 utc | 290 France (1.9 %) Posted by: Jo | Feb 13 2024 13:12 utc | 291 A massive missile attack on an Ukrainian training grounds in Selidovo few tens of kms fro Avdeevka, up to 1,500 potential victims, the troops were going to beef up the Avdeevka units, the place has been shut down, nobody can leave, the Ukrainian spooks are searching for those that directed the missiles: Posted by: Baron | Feb 13 2024 13:14 utc | 292 I am not sure that countries sending stuff to Ukraine have been fully reimbursed from the EU Fund for Peace thingy … ???? Posted by: Jo | Feb 13 2024 13:15 utc | 293 In addition to Selidovo, another similar strike has been reported in Konstantinovka from where groups were also to be sent to Avdeevka. No further details. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2024 13:21 utc | 294 Of Selidovo. Posted by: Selidovo | Feb 13 2024 13:47 utc | 295
Way to show off as someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 13:53 utc | 296 Hi! Posted by: DakotaRog | Feb 13 2024 13:55 utc | 297 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:36 utc | 157 follow up\more re #279 11:48 utc: and #293 13:21
A seperate accumulation attack overnight in addition to Selidovo and Konstantinovka
Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 13 2024 13:57 utc | 299
The cold hard physical reality is that: Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 13 2024 14:01 utc | 300 |
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