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February 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-045
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Patrick Lancaster’s report from front line (artillery action). From Dec ’23 but if anyone is interested it’s pretty good. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 6:53 utc | 101 There’s no way the SMO is anywhere close to ending – the Russians don’t even control Donbas yet – let alone Odessa and the Black Sea coast! Posted by: James M | Feb 12 2024 6:54 utc | 102 There’s no way the SMO is anywhere close to ending – the Russians don’t even control Donbas yet – let alone Odessa and the Black Sea coast! Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 7:06 utc | 103 @ Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 7:06 utc | 103 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 12 2024 7:36 utc | 104 I didn’t actually say the SMO was coming to an end I said the only reason you would plan to open a factory in Ukraine to bake bread was if you knew it was. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 7:06 utc | 103 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 12 2024 9:15 utc | 106 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 7:06 utc | 103 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 9:21 utc | 107 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Feb 11 2024 15:01 utc | 5 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 12 2024 9:26 utc | 108
https://t.me/dubinskypro/15268
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21614 Posted by: Down South | Feb 12 2024 9:35 utc | 109 Противник подтверждает дальнейшее продвижение ВС РФ в северной части Авдеевки. Posted by: Avdiivka | Feb 12 2024 9:37 utc | 110 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 12 2024 9:26 utc | 108 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 12 2024 9:37 utc | 111 OK Posted by: watcher | Feb 12 2024 9:43 utc | 112 There’s no way the SMO is anywhere close to ending – the Russians don’t even control Donbas yet – let alone Odessa and the Black Sea coast! Posted by: laguerre | Feb 12 2024 10:21 utc | 113 Another Ukrainian unit west of Maryinka issued a warning to Zelensky – either get rotations and send government officials kids to the front like everyone else, or risk march on Kiev. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 10:33 utc | 114 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 9:21 utc | 107 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 11:05 utc | 115 How much longer Ukraine will survive depends on if NATO’s coming military training escapade becomes boots on the ground in Ukraine…. Posted by: James M. | Feb 12 2024 11:06 utc | 116 Interesting.
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 12 2024 11:07 utc | 117 I didn’t actually say the SMO was coming to an end I said the only reason you would plan to open a factory in Ukraine to bake bread was if you knew it was. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 11:15 utc | 118 Posted by: laguerre | Feb 12 2024 10:21 utc | 113 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 12 2024 11:19 utc | 119 Tucker Carlson came to Moscow as a political envoy from the Republicans, and journalistic aspirations are a minor matter. Its task is to obtain clear information about Russia’s requests for Ukraine, including territory and security guarantees in the event that the West refuses assistance to Ukraine and directs its efforts to the Middle East and China. Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 11:31 utc | 120 That sudden bloody death aboard the Lufthansa flight was likely esophageal varies. Happens generally to older serious alcoholics. Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Feb 12 2024 11:46 utc | 121
Syria is only a little bit less strategically important to Russia than Ukraine is and such an exchange will be a gigantic defeat. And a damning indictment on the Kremlin’s policies over the last 40 years. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 11:55 utc | 122 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 6:53 utc | 101 Posted by: heavymetal101 | Feb 12 2024 11:57 utc | 123 “Brusilov’s genius was in developing a solution to the WWI problem of not being able to form a large force for a concentrated breakthrough. By pressuring all across the front, the losses from concentration could be mitigated while spreading the enemy thin. Many WWII red army offensives started the same way, with pressure everywhere and then reinforcing where the German lines broke for deep operations. (I don’t think we’ll see the breakthrough deep operations in Ukraine, rather a snowball gathering mass as it moves towards the Dnieper.)” @Falco
Just stop it.
Measles is now a “common winter illness” in the UK. This is how far we have fallen. Because there has been a growing measles epidemic in the UK and now spreading in Europe too thanks to the combination of decreasing vaccination rates in the aftermath of vaccination becoming a toxic subject because of COVID and the immunodeficiency that COVID itself causes, and we are just pretending it is not happening and calling it a “common winter illness”. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 12:18 utc | 126 “Ukraine’s political approach is uncomfortably reminiscent of some even less important European countries, whose authorities have realized that they can govern almost unhindered by combining loyalty to Western power centers with their own domestic discipline, corruption or even revisionist politics. We need look no further than what is currently happening in Croatia regarding the controversial appointment of the Attorney General. The authorities have “solved the puzzle” and concluded that they can do almost anything they want, as long as they leave an impeccably loyal impression in the corridors of Brussels and, if necessary, in Washington.” “I just had a several hours-long conversation with someone who believes Russia is the root of ALL evil taking place in the modern world.
It was also a strategic failure in the grand scheme of things. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 12:45 utc | 129 I hope Trump will not let the Israeli lobby control him this during his second term. He had better not. I would ask whom you would suggest voting for? Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 12:50 utc | 130 . “And the US is not going to want the reputational damage of backing down” Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 11:55 utc | 122 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 12 2024 13:16 utc | 132 I did find the Tucker Carlson interview of Putin disappointing, superficial, unsatisfaying. Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 13:23 utc | 133 by shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 12:18 utc | 126 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 13:31 utc | 134 I believe Brusilov’s success was one more of luck than military planning Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 12 2024 13:16 utc | 132 Syria is only a little bit less strategically important to Russia than Ukraine is . Posted by: James M. | Feb 12 2024 13:52 utc | 137 Well, here is at least part 1/4 of Stone’s series of interviews with Putin. Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 13:52 utc | 138 “All my children are fully vaccinated, I am, my partner, all being in a fine health. I do not know anyone, that suffered anything from being vaccinated.” jared @ 133 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 14:02 utc | 140
The right move was first, not to participate in the war at all, second, to just hold the front and wait it out.
With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about on this particular issue. The mRNA vaccine expresses the spike protein, i.e. the key part of the virus (and in this case the only one that generates any meaningful immune response). It doesn’t at all matter whether there is any actual virus in it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 14:33 utc | 141
(context — a HIMARS that was damaged by a Russian counterbattery strike was caught being transported to the US for repairs on a Ukrainian An-124) Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 14:35 utc | 142 by: canuck | Feb 12 2024 13:58 utc | 139 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 14:45 utc | 143 https://t.me/milinfolive/116102
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 12 2024 14:53 utc | 144 Also good interview of Putin by Kier Simmons of NBC: Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 14:53 utc | 145 When I was a kid there was a brand of loaf bread called Colonial. Apparently it’s been revived as Neo-Colonial. Mmmm. . . — Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 12 2024 15:11 utc | 146 The main reason for the US to keep the war going in Ukraine was spelled out yesterday afternoon, just before the Superbowl.
Add to this the declaration of a German general, last week, expressing his belief that hostilities berween Germany and Russia are expected already within the next five years. That declaration falls in line with what US generals in the Pacific area said already as they are positioning their assets ready to engage China within the same timeframe. I take them seriously as I witness what level of atrocities Washington is supporting in Gaza. Posted by: Richard L | Feb 12 2024 15:25 utc | 147 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 14:45 utc | 143 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 15:34 utc | 148 whirlX | Feb 12 2024 14:45 utc | 143 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 12 2024 15:52 utc | 149 @Modern Stoic #148 Posted by: Richard L | Feb 12 2024 15:55 utc | 150 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 14:35 utc | 142 Posted by: Mario | Feb 12 2024 16:00 utc | 151 @ Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 15:34 utc | 148 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 16:00 utc | 152 Here, Putin seems human. Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 16:01 utc | 153
Yes, geography does indeed matter. What should be a starkly obvious truism is an insurmountably difficult concept for US neolibs to understand. The US has believed that it alone rules the world, all of it, for several decades. That it is entitled to engage in provocative actions off the coast of China, or dictate behavior in countries on the other side of the world, because it is the Chosen One, a manifest destiny of recent times. A byproduct of this delusional mindset is the Wolfowitz doctrine, the belief that the US must prevent any peer or near peer competitor from emerging anywhere in the world. Even potential regional powers must be kneecapped. It should not be surprising that more and more countries are pushing back on this arrogance.
Yes the choice is obvious to other countries, but to the US it’s not. The US has a little over 4% of the world’s population. It is in a hemisphere, the Americas, with about a billion people. The rest of the 8 billion people live over there, on the other side of the world, and the largest lot in the Indo-Pacific region, whose aggregate economy is much larger than the US, or the America’s. And yet US leaders still believe that they can ‘manage’ what happens over there. It’s complete madness, yet this country persists in it. It’s realistic and rational for the US to believe that it is the big dog in its own hemisphere, but madness to believe that it is going to continue to tell China, Russia, and Iran what it can and cannot do. US beliefs are odious enough, coupled with delusional beliefs they are downright dangerous. I’d settle for realpolitik. Posted by: Mike R | Feb 12 2024 16:09 utc | 154 There is no sign the US is going to change course now in Ukraine. There is no reverse gear. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 12 2024 16:28 utc | 155 From a German who has lived in Petersburg for about 17 years and has been to Donbass and other theaters of war. Has a connection to the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman in the Kremlin. Posted by: ossi | Feb 12 2024 16:31 utc | 156 Report that Ukrainian troops have been pulled from Ugledar and Maryinka direction to Avdeevka. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:36 utc | 157
@Legitimnyi Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:44 utc | 158 Zelensky fell into a trap. Now he himself will be responsible for the failures of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:45 utc | 159 West is preparing to appoint a governor in Ukraine (an insolvency administrator?) Posted by: ossi | Feb 12 2024 16:46 utc | 160 Posted by: ossi | Feb 12 2024 16:46 utc | 160 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:51 utc | 161 Avdiivka may fall in the next “days or maximum of the week” Posted by: Avdiivka | Feb 12 2024 16:59 utc | 162 by ossi | Feb 12 2024 16:46 utc | 160 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 17:10 utc | 163 by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 14:45 utc | 143 Posted by: Biochar | Feb 12 2024 17:13 utc | 164 @ Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 16:01 utc | 153 Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 17:20 utc | 165 whirlX | Feb 12 2024 17:10 utc | 163 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 12 2024 17:23 utc | 166
Could you provide a clue where that information was published or did you make it up on the fly? Posted by: grasdackel | Feb 12 2024 17:23 utc | 167 The Tucker – President Putin interview snagged 140 million views just in the first 24 hours, an amazing figure, and many millions afteward. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Feb 12 2024 17:55 utc | 168 Sophomore, useful idiot, honest journalist, flawed diplomat, I say take what we can get. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 12 2024 18:11 utc | 169 {various personnel changes in Ukraine} Posted by: MAKK | Feb 12 2024 18:13 utc | 170 @ Posted by: Honzo | Feb 12 2024 18:11 utc | 169 Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 18:32 utc | 171 The price of Avdeevka Posted by: Ossi | Feb 12 2024 18:42 utc | 172 Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2024 18:32 utc | 171 Posted by: Ossi | Feb 12 2024 18:44 utc | 173 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Feb 12 2024 11:55 utc | 122 Posted by: scc | Feb 12 2024 18:46 utc | 174 https://t.me/Slavyangrad/88476
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 12 2024 18:48 utc | 175 Their commander Kukharchuk, after the last defeat of the brigade, said: I do not believe that we will win. I do not believe that we are fighting degenerates. We are all heirs of the Soviet Army. But the Russian one is bigger today. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 12 2024 18:54 utc | 176 @whirlX | Feb 12 2024 14:45 utc | 143 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 12 2024 18:55 utc | 177 Honzo @ 169
I’ll buy that, best explanation yet. I knew of his CIA background, once CIA always CIA, at least if you’re a dork. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 19:25 utc | 178 You might want to do some more research. Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 19:38 utc | 179 [ Album ] Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 19:48 utc | 180 Anyone know or have an idea what this is about? The Surovikin train? Check the map, it’s in a weird place behind the lines, are the Russians expecting their advance to falter? Belt and suspenders caution? A Robotino type attack from Ugledar into Russian Donesk? The train makes no sense to me, tie up a railroad line, tie up 2000 cars and how many locomotives? I’m sure wartime Russia has better use for cars and engines. Must be a technical and logistical nightmare, once they get blown up they become your obstacle as much as your enemies. Maybe it’s just social media nonsense. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 19:55 utc | 181 Some Ukrainians have understood … Posted by: 600w | Feb 12 2024 19:58 utc | 182 by Biochar | Feb 12 2024 17:13 utc | 164 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 20:01 utc | 183 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 19:55 utc | 181 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 20:03 utc | 184 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 19:55 utc | 181 Posted by: ossi | Feb 12 2024 20:05 utc | 185 @malenkov | Feb 12 2024 19:38 utc | 179 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 12 2024 20:10 utc | 186 malenkov @ 179
Off topic but IIRC Sputnik V is an adenovirus DNA vax like the A-Z vax and I believe the J&J. The A-Z vax was maybe more trouble than the mRNA at least for blood clots, it why both those vaxxes were abandoned while they are still peddling the mRNA ones. Blood clotting is something known to happen with DNA vaxxes and why these things need 5-10ys of testing before being unleashed. Sputnik was based on past tested flu vaxxes and so rushed under emergency decree, but I doubt it faired any better than A-Z. It would be nice to see data out of Russia and China regarding excess deaths and vax related death and injury. Bet the Chinese populace faired best with their whole killed virus vax, probably did he least harm. Way back when, early on, I saw an interview with Chinese health minister who said if you have to use an emergency vax on millions of people best use something tried and true for 100ys. Add another positive for the Chinese. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 20:11 utc | 187 Have you ever seen the camouflage of this train (of which there are 3) against satellite images? Posted by: Ossi | Feb 12 2024 20:19 utc | 188 …and YOU might want to read the part where he said he was vaxxed with Sputnik V, not one of those dodgy mRNA “vaccines.” Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 20:22 utc | 189 @ Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 20:22 utc | 189 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 20:25 utc | 190 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 20:11 utc | 187 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 20:27 utc | 191 @ LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 20:11 utc | 187 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 12 2024 20:28 utc | 192 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 12 2024 20:11 utc | 187 Posted by: watcher | Feb 12 2024 20:28 utc | 193 @malenkov | Feb 12 2024 20:25 utc | 190 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 12 2024 20:36 utc | 194 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:36 utc | 157 Posted by: Milites | Feb 12 2024 20:39 utc | 195
Correct. At the time I didn’t know anything about xRNA, yDNA or what not. It is a vaccine, apparently helps and it is Russian made and they take it – just like vodka. Posted by: whirlX | Feb 12 2024 20:50 utc | 196 Posted by: Milites | Feb 12 2024 20:39 utc | 195 Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 20:54 utc | 197 If someone had a really smart idea that train is a quick way to deploy a drone/EW/AD screen to protect a staging area. You can’t protect from satellites but you can sure have some protection from Himars strikes. Posted by: SOS | Feb 12 2024 20:59 utc | 198 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 12 2024 16:51 utc | 161 Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 12 2024 20:59 utc | 199 @Posted by: Modern Stoic | Feb 12 2024 20:54 utc | 197 |
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