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February 24, 2024

Trump Wants NATO To Be The Same Racket That It Has Always Been

There is this weird claim in librul media that Donald Trump, should he be reelected as president, would shun NATO.

Fears of a NATO Withdrawal Rise as Trump Seeks a Return to Power - NY Times, Dec 9 2023

I have found no evidence that would justify the headline. In fact the authors remark:

Yet as he runs to regain the White House, Mr. Trump has said precious little about his intentions. His campaign website contains a single cryptic sentence: “We have to finish the process we began under my administration of fundamentally re-evaluating NATO’s purpose and NATO’s mission.” He and his team refuse to elaborate.
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Trump’s incendiary NATO remarks send very real shudders through Europe - CNN, Feb 12 2024

What causes the actual 'shudders' is that Trump attempts to use NATO to blackmail member countries into buying more U.S. produced weapons:

[W]hen the former president suggested on Saturday that he would let Russia do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member that doesn’t meet spending guidelines, the impact was acute.

He recalled what he said was a conversation with a “large” NATO ally – it was unclear who he was referring to or when the conversation took place – which, according to his telling, had declined to spend the 2% recommended equivalent of their GDP on defense, but nevertheless wanted assurances from the US that they would be protected if Russia attacked. Trump said he would not give such an assurance, as the ally was “delinquent,” and Russian President Vladimir Putin should feel free to have his way.

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Trump’s NATO Threat Reflects a Wider Shift on America’s Place in the World - NY Times, Feb 15 2024

This 'threat' was again purely about blackmailing other countries to spend more money on defense:

When former President Donald J. Trump told a campaign rally in South Carolina last weekend that he would encourage Russia to attack NATO allies who “didn’t pay,” there were gasps of shock in Washington, London, Paris, Tokyo and elsewhere around the world.

No one was shocked by that. The U.S., and Trump, have played that game since NATO existed.

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Trump didn’t quit NATO, but a potential second term alarms allies - Washington Post, Feb 19 2024

Trump’s provocation, delivered brashly to a cheering crowd of thousands in Conway, S.C., was largely consistent with the position he’s voiced on NATO since at least the 1980s. He followed up with several social media posts demanding that allies should “PAY UP” and suggesting that he is dangling U.S. withdrawal to pressure them to boost their own military spending.

The article fails to quote even one of the U.S. allies which are allegedly 'alarmed' over the 'thread'.

Trump is not against NATO. He simply wants to use it to get more money for the U.S. of A. Michael Tracey reminds us that Trump, during his first presidency, has never ever acted against NATO:

The idea that Trump will undermine NATO conflicts with everything Trump actually did while he was in office - Michael Tracy, Feb 22 2024

Unfortunately, the media’s professional Trump alarmists simply cannot countenance a reality-based version of Trump, so instead they must eternally cling to their fictionalized, Putin-colluding version. They might not even know, for instance, that Trump presided over two rounds of NATO expansion — Montenegro in 2017 and North Macedonia in 2020. While perhaps not the most formidable powers in the NATO military alliance, their seamless absorption was made possible by Trump’s fulsome support for enlarging the bloc — notwithstanding any vague NATO-skeptical rhetoric he might have inchoately dabbled in.

Proceeding with these rounds of NATO expansion required Trump to take presidential action on multiple occasions, including personally signing the final ‘instrument of accession’ formalizing the countries as NATO member-states. Philip Reeker, a State Department official testifying on behalf of the Trump Administration in support of expanding NATO, said in 2019: “Let me begin by reaffirming the role of NATO. As President Trump has said, the alliance has been the bulwark of international peace and security for 70 years.”

Given the wildly disproportionate attention paid to Trump rhetoric over Trump policy, few of the current media alarmists are likely even aware that Trump expanded NATO twice. Nor could they come up with a convincing explanation for how this fits with their hallucinogenic nightmare of Trump surrendering NATO to Putin.

Most European countries would do well without NATO. There are currently no large unfinished conflicts in Europe that are threatening to escalate into wars. The Baltic states may fear some Russian intervention. Without NATO cover they would have to tone down their loud anti-Russian voices and would have to accommodate the parts of their population that are of Russian heritage. I would be fine with that.

Without NATO the west European countries would likely agree to some common defense treaty but keep their defense spending and military forces down to levels that allow for growing them if necessary but below the numbers need for an actual war. East European countries would probably spend more to defense and keep larger forces if only to appease those parts of their population which still have an irrational fear of Russia.

A defense spending range based of GDP, as the U.S. has tried to press NATO countries into, is irrational. The actual GDP of a country is not related to the individual threat level it has to live with (compare Luxemburg, Switzerland and North Korea).

Why then should the defense spending be align with GDP? The one reason a European country might want to stick to NATO is that it would otherwise have to fear a U.S. intervention. But given that the U.S. has, since the 1990s lost much of its military capabilities, and lost all campaigns that it had waged during my life time, I think that such a risk is much lower than many people perceive.

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>>This 'threat' was again purely about blackmailing other countries to spend more money on defense:...

To use the same terminology in an everyday situation, it is the equivalent of saying that grocery stores "blackmail" customers into paying for the groceries they buy. Or insurance companies "blackmail" insurers into paying for insurance.

As for Trump, he is not as radical as he seems, or as many of us would like him to be.

Posted by: Jmaas | Feb 24 2024 16:23 utc | 1

Trump's an epstein pedo and an israel lover. People just got confused by all the "white hat" nonsense, whether they realised that they're reading fake Qanon hasbara or they didn't, and read it anyway through some other channel. Controlled opposition is controlled opposition, and that includes warface carlson, the gimp with the golden name, the infowars lardball, etc.

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 24 2024 16:31 utc | 2

To be fair, Trump is neither more radical nor different from any former, actual or potential future US president.

It's just that he was elected against a professional politician while he was still an amateur which turned some people crazy.

Posted by: W | Feb 24 2024 16:34 utc | 3

The behind the scenes crowd in Washington and all the US lodges want Trump back in, it's another well scripted political drama that makes little difference to the big picture.
Sure enough Trump will pull out of Ukraine with some razzmatazz but he'll keep the empire neck deep in the Pacific and Middle East until the next election when the other crowd are 'elected 'in. Yawn!!

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Feb 24 2024 16:42 utc | 4

Posted by: Jmaas | Feb 24 2024 16:23 utc | 1

A grocery store doesn’t stipulate what percentage of their income customers are obliged to spend.

NATO is a racket to ensure the profits of the MIC.

There is no significant difference between dotard Trump and demented Biden.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 24 2024 16:44 utc | 5

B.

Spot on. Trump just wants the Euro militaries to buy $15,000 coffee makers and $5,000 toilet seats from US suppliers

Posted by: Exile | Feb 24 2024 16:44 utc | 6

It would be very good for Europe to get away from NATO as it could then start to control its own policies and goals and not have them imposed by Washington for the benefit of Washington. As it is currently the American policies are completely destroying German industry like it did Britain before. It would be good as well for Canada to become independent again and not so tied to USA's suicidal and terminal goals. I fear USA ideas more than Russia or China, for instance the recent Supreme Court decision in Alabama.

Posted by: Bill R | Feb 24 2024 16:50 utc | 7

No worries, the Deep State will never allow Trump to become president again.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2024 16:51 utc | 8

Pretty much every single 2016 “campaign” rhetoric is repeated in this campaign. Zero happened last Presidency, with the exception of “pay up the protection racket” thug diplomacy, warp vaccines, threats to use the military against civilian populations, and MIGA.

The businesses got a permanent “tax relief”, while citizens got a “temporary” one, that but the citizens in the ass later.
The border got closed yes, but every nation were closing their border if people remember… cuz … “scamdemic”…

As for “topic”… NATO will go on.
I could pop in my 2016 campaign speeches… how “unfair” everyone and every other nation treats us, unfair legal system, poor billionaire that’s not locked up like the J6ers (which he could have issued pardons for everyone of them b4 he left) …
Y’all want to go for it again… have at it… “fool me once”… is my motto.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 16:53 utc | 9

For somebody who's controlled, Trump manages to generate an enormous, unparalleled amount of antipathy and effort from those who he is controlled by, to keep him away from the levers of power. I believe there is something in him, no matter his obvious flaws, that remains uncompromised. That's why the masdive effort continues.

Posted by: Dogtired | Feb 24 2024 16:55 utc | 10


On paper, NATO is an alliance of states for defence.
The original opponent was the ideology of the East, socialism (and the aspiration of communism).
However, socialism is not imperialist or expansionist, nor is it directed against the dispossessed majority of the population. So there was never any threat of attack.
Rather, it was about sealing off one's own population from the ideas that rotten feudalism had allowed to grow in the minds of those affected in its final phase. People were looking for a way out of the exploitative societies that had developed over time.
However, the propertied class in the West based its prosperity on these structures.

When the ideology of the East died in the bourgeois mindset of its population, NATO suddenly found itself without an enemy. Of course, it was never an alliance of equals, but was dominated by different interests and power weights, led by the USA.
The latter then began to transform the alliance into a tool of its foreign policy. Costs could thus be "shared" and the risk was spread.
It is reminiscent of MCs with their full members, candidates, hangarounds and everything that goes with it.
In practice, it is now a "circle of friends" of the USA, according to the principle of "better to be there than to be on the other side".
In Yugoslavia, the newly formed offensive alliance showed its calling card for the first time.
Officially, James Blunt saved us from WW3 in 1999.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVFyAbwfLg4

"All for the USA, USA for ... USA"
Trump is ridiculous. When has the USA ever stood up for anyone?
Which citizens did it want to do that with?

The USA would have to pay Germany compensation for offences (drone warfare) that are committed from German territory and which consequently threaten peace in Germany.
A friend wouldn't sell drugs in your flat and make you pay for it either.

Posted by: 600w | Feb 24 2024 16:56 utc | 11

The US Embassies are run by Lockheed Martin, which means they are more of an arms dealer than a Diplomatic Agency. This is no secret, the Embassy personell have stated this outright.They are in bed with NATO and all the other International Intel Agencies in order to sell weapons and plan as many conflicts as possible.

Look at the X Russian Ambassador McFaul - one of the main authors of how to topple or regime change any country in 7 steps. And the new Embassies { Iraq, Armenia and now Lebanon } are huge compounds with militaries attached to them. Nato is part of a huge Corporation and the Jew Mafia Don from New York is just another Salesman taking his cut.

Posted by: GMC | Feb 24 2024 16:59 utc | 12

NATO is how the US exercises sovereignty over Europe. I can also see that it is a vehicle for extorting European nations into buying US weaponry they don’t need.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 24 2024 17:00 utc | 13

When the mafia "protects" you, you have to buy their stuff however overpriced and defective it may be.

Posted by: Teraspol | Feb 24 2024 17:02 utc | 14

"Trump Wants NATO To Be The Same Racket That It Has Always Been"

Of course !

Meanwhile back at the ranch.Argentina’s economy contracted more than expected in December as newly elected President Milei put in motion shock austerity measures.

He should go "FULL ON " Austrian lol. Give the money scarcity ideologues a real hard on.So everyone can watch in real time how household debt will explode and cause a slow motion car wreck. Dish out Mises comfort blankets pmsl.

These right wing populists are offering absolutely nothing new. They just had to put up a new set of disco lights and get the marketing guys to polish a turd.

As they move voters from one con trick to another. As voters reject their original economic policies they inflicted upon society in the 80's and run into the arms of the culprits who now act as if they are their saviours - AGAIN !

Oh boy, voters get everything they deserve.


Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 17:05 utc | 15

One thing that I like about Donald Trump is that he perfectly represents U.S. Supremacism without all of the pious talking points.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Feb 24 2024 17:13 utc | 16

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Posted by: Arlessa | Feb 24 2024 17:35 utc | 17

Voters should have to pass a very simple IQ test online or in the polling booths before they are allowed to vote.

But it must be imperative that the IQ test is absolutely free from ideology, policy proposals, politics and have a correct answer. Voters answer True or False.

1. Your government has to finance its spending out of its income or by borrowing ?

2. The role of taxes is to provide finance for government spending ?

3. Your government borrows money from the private sector to finance the budget deficit ?

4. If your government runs budget surpluses it takes pressure off interest rates because more funds are now available for private sector investment projects ?

5. If your government runs Persistent budget deficits it will burden future generations with inflation and higher taxes ?

6. If your government runs budget surpluses it will help to build up the funds necessary to cope with ageing population in the future ?


If voters can't pass that 6 question IQ test they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Milei would definitely fail it and he runs the country lol. Trump would fail it as his God is Art Laffer pmsl.

The whole world would be a better place. The answers are all False by the way as proven by the actual government accounts and the assets and liabilities of the balance sheets. There's no maybe's or whataboutry just a simple fact.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 17:37 utc | 18

One thing that I like about Donald Trump is that he perfectly represents U.S. Supremacism without all of the pious talking points.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Feb 24 2024 17:13 utc | 16

He's actually unintentionally pretty funny too in Don Rickles sort of way.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 17:38 utc | 19

No worries, the Deep State will never allow Trump to become president again.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2024 16:51 utc | 8

Tend to agree. They have made it totally illegal to even question an election outcome. Unless trump is brought around to supporting Ukraine unswervingly, they will just fix it up and the corpse Biden will keep the killing machine at full tilt until the wheels come off.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 17:42 utc | 20

pretty funny too

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 17:38 utc | 19

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First the laughing, then the crying.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2024 17:42 utc | 21

insurance is a racket and part of the larger banking racket…. i agree with@ 14 terapol.. madia tactics at work here..

Posted by: james | Feb 24 2024 17:43 utc | 22

Meanwhile back at the ranch.Argentina’s economy contracted more than expected in December as newly elected President Milei put in motion shock austerity measures.

And Argentina just reported its first budget surplus in 40 years. Which means they are finally paying off their debt. Inflation is dropping. There will be a deep contraction as government parasites continue to lose their worthless jobs.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:44 utc | 23

blackmailing other countries to spend more money on defense
Think what you want about NATO (I think it should die), but this is absurd. NATO is basically a contract. And members make certain agreements to arm themselves so they are not just a drain on NATO but are a part of it - i.e. so they are not parasites. Sure on one hand it is about "buying US weapons" but why should the US buy all those weapons, since those are the only weapons NATO uses? Make your own weapons, whatever.

It's like saying it's "blackmail" to refuse to pay rent on the lease for your apartment b/c the landlord does not provide heat or electricity. If one side of a contract refuses to do what they promised, the other side demanding they comply is not "blackmail", that's ludicrous.

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 17:45 utc | 24

This is why the US is happy to see European countries dump all their weapons in Ukraine, and then let Russia win so they can be blackmailed to buy new US-made weapons.

It is very simple.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 24 2024 17:49 utc | 25

There is no significant difference between dotard Trump and demented Biden.

LOL

Trump negotiated the end of the Afghan fiasco and ordered the withdraw from Syria. A general bragged about lying to Trump reporting the withdraw was underway. Trump also started peace talks with NK and even went there and shook Kim's hand. The Biden admin is a Russia hating Jewish administration.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:50 utc | 26

RE: One thing that I like about Donald Trump is that he perfectly represents U.S. Supremacism without all of the pious talking points.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Feb 24 2024 17:13 utc | 16

Agreed. Along with the inherent national narcissism.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 17:56 utc | 27

JackG @26

Trump negotiated the end of the Afghan fiasco and ordered the withdraw from Syria
So he did a lot of talk-talk. LOL. So many fools fall for the talk-talk, over and over and over again. All I care about is the walk-walk, the rest is for the fools to gush over.
A general bragged about lying to Trump
You think there is only one general that the President speaks with? And if he didn't know troops weren't actually being withdrawn (I knew they weren't), he is a blundering dolt. But of course he knew. More talk-talk.
shook Kim's hand
Wow, all the way to shake-shake! He's really outdoing all reasonable expectations of his campaign lies!
The Biden admin is a Russia hating Jewish administration.
Trump's biggest funder was Adelson. His family is Jewish. He thinks of himself as Jewish. He did more for the ZioNazis than any president before him. And - wow - in those cases it wasn't just talk-talk, how amazing!

Four more years ... of talk-talk, with an intermittent shake-shake!

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 17:57 utc | 28

WASHINGTON — US defense officials routinely misled President Trump into believing the American troop count in Syria was a lot lower than it actually is, a retiring US diplomat said in a bombshell interview this week.

“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” James Jeffrey, US special representative for Syria engagement, said in an interview with Defense One.

People who say there is no difference between Biden and Trump wore a mask during COVID while driving their car.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:59 utc | 29

Imo the jews are sh*tting themselves at the prospect of a second Trump Presidency. And that's because his outlook is too multi-polar. It's easy to forget that the USA has been "Israel's" bull in a china shop for many decades.

Post 9/11 the US wrecked many Islamic countries behind the veil of the War on Terror/Islam - for "Israel". Trump got my attention during his 2016 campaign when he said (circa) "Six trillion dollars for our wars in the Middle East! We could have rebuilt this country twice!"

That turned a lot of Americans into permanent MAGA fans.

I believe he sucked up to the "Israel" Lobby to see if he could squeeze some gratitude out of the people who run AmeriKKKa. Lol. Jews are NEVER grateful. He also spoilt the Fake Enemies gambit by cosying up to Russia and North Korea. Unfortunately, The Swamp killed off that attempt at embracing geopolitical sanity.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2024 18:01 utc | 30

The actual GDP of a country is not related to the individual threat level it has to live with (compare Luxemburg, Switzerland and North Korea).

Valid point. But if you apply this logic to NATO, Europe should pay more for defense than the US.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 18:07 utc | 31

JackG @29

And how do you know James Jeffrey isn't saying that as Trump's agent? Because every Trumptard in the world is going to believe such nonsense, won't they? Don't tell me - the Deep State lies but this time he's telling the truth! I know, b/c it's what I want to hear!

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 18:08 utc | 32


'that he (Trump) would encourage Russia to attack NATO allies"
How do you conclude "encourage Russia to attack" when the question was if we (deadbeat NATO member) fail to pay our CONTRACTED DUES, will the United States defend us? Answer: No.
First, it's just a negotiating stance. Second, the "encourage Russia to attack NATO member" is just another Democratic (demented) Party Narrative/Fiction. Spread like a brush fire by Trump-hating U.S. Media to the miniscule number of people that read their utterings.
Second, nothing stops NATO from financing/purchasing NATO stuff.
Clearly NATO is first and foremost a Profit Center for European and American Politicians and select Industries. NATO is a LOSER for individual NATO countries and their taxpayers.
With nearly all the squabbling countries of Europe as members of NATO, the question becomes, will all of NATO stand up if one of their belligerent pipsqueak members starts a war with Russia? And will the biggest financial beneficiary and benefactor, the USA, continue to have the energy and means to keep NATO alive in the coming decades?

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 24 2024 18:08 utc | 33

RE: “Oh boy, voters get everything they deserve.”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 17:05 utc | 15

Come on man, I hear this trope from Andrei M and it’s garbage.
“Voters” aren’t the gatekeepers of who gets to the campaign finish lines as candidates, donor’s do.
Even when the elections weren’t electronically & mail in rigged like they are now, they were economically hijacked.

Here’s your 2 candidates that we’ve screened to pass the campaign gates… have at it..
Trump is a nice “populist” puppet. If he’s not jailed or shot, you have your answer.
I’m not suggesting their isn’t Mafia family issues going on, but the illusion of voting, is for the exact reason you emphasized, so that the citizens have a national “guilt” and a sense of powerlessness “cuz after all, I voted for the guy, so I guess his corrupt ass ways, and warmongering campaigns are actually my fault” shit.
Nah, the campaign gates are and have been, especially since “Corporations are people too” campaign case… the of voters voting in who the want, is a joke.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 18:10 utc | 34

JackG @29

People who say there is no difference between Biden and Trump wore a mask during COVID while driving their car.
I wore a mask for a total of about 4 hours in the last decade. Mainly in Berlin where the Communist horde would not allow me to buy food in a grocery store without complying with their diktats (literally they had to get to the point of physically tossing me out before I would put one on, in many cases I could avoid it).

But here's the rub. The Orange ZioNazi is best buds with ... NutAndYahoo. His biggest funder was Adelson ... NutAndYahoo's biggest funder (before he died). His main appointments - Pompeo, Bolten, etc. - are all far-right ZioNazis (Pompeo recently seen dancing with IDF stormtroopers on a break from slaughtering women and children). His tariffs on China ... were what the Deep State wanted (proven 100% by the fact they were kept in place after Comrade Joe entered office). He didn't start any wars but he exited the JCPOA with Iran, so he could sanction them ruthlessly and murder women and children (incl. by blocking medical supplies during COVID). He moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, in violation of international law. He recognized Israel's theft of the Golan Heights. He armed Ukraine with weapons Obama refused to arm them with. I could go on and on and on ... but for the Orange ZioNazi fanboys, truth matters not at all - it's just hopium and copium.

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 18:15 utc | 35

And how do you know James Jeffrey isn't saying that as Trump's agent?

LOL. Cope harder.

When I read people writing things like "big deal" I know I'm dealing with Mass Formation Psychosis. You can't give him any credit?

I can criticize Trump. COVID vax rushed. Not standing up for Mike Flynn. Assange. Killing Solemeni. Because I'm not emotionally attached.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 18:18 utc | 36

Unfortunately, The Swamp killed off that attempt at embracing geopolitical sanity.

It started with Browder working with Safra to put in the jew to replace Yeltsin. Putin ended that. When Putin stopped the overthrow of Syria, he became the new Hitler.

Trump sealed his fate in 2016 campaigning for better relations with Russia and pulling out of Syria. Which is why Elias, Sussman, Joffe, Rosenstein, Weisseman, Clinesmith, Vindman, and Schiff went after him.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 18:27 utc | 37

Citizens United case was the final legal nail for corporate campaign donors vs citizens, but this has been the issue and practice since 1890.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/2008/08-205
First 2009 challenge

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/citizens_united_v._federal_election_commission_%282010%29
Finalized 2010 nail

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/corporations-people-adam-winkler/554852/
1890 background

Citizens will never be able to compete with these mega donors for candidates of their choice.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 18:27 utc | 38

JackG @36

LOL. Cope harder.
You need to cope harder. James Jeffrey literally was Trump's propagandist on Syria. And ... him saying that is a huge boon to Trump. Even you, the "emotionally detached genius", can recognize that, hmmmm? Why say it at all, if not to help Trump overcome the perception that he is the Orange Fraud and truly a Deep State operative?

This reminds me of a famous Einstein quip: Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 18:28 utc | 39

"And Argentina just reported its first budget surplus in 40 years. Which means they are finally paying off their debt. Inflation is dropping. There will be a deep contraction as government parasites continue to lose their worthless jobs."

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:44 utc | 23


You just failed that voting IQ test above Jack.

" A household just reported its first budget surplus in 40 years. Which means they are finally paying off their debt. "

As always you confuse a sovereign currency issuer of the Peso with a household Jack a currency user. The household fallacy.

So the Argetina government is taking out of the economy more than it is putting in. It spends 100 pesos into the economy but takes 200 pesos out of the economy to get its budget surplus.

1. Why does the government need pesos Jack ? It is the monopoly issuer of the Peso it keystrokes them into exsistence.

It is like saying the monopoly issuer of widgets needs widgets or borrow widgets lol.

2. How are businesses and Households doing now Jack after the government gave them 100 pesos but took 200 pesos off them. In order to get the government surplus ?

The private sector is now running a 100 pesos " deficit ". Shouldn't households and businesses always be in " surplus" jack.

Didn't Bill Clinton show what happens to house holds and businesses Jack after running his budget surpluses ? George Bush has to clean up the mess he made as households and businesses ran deficits and were forced to spend more than their income.

Doesn't all of those public sector jobs that you think are useless Jack provide sales for the private sector ? Capitalism is run ON sales Jack. Now all of these people have no money to spend in the economy Jack.

What are they now going to do Jack ? Surely Milie doesn't think humans can be moved around the economy like ignots of steel Jack. What he thinks joiners can become IT experts over night, or nurses can become accountants over night, or school teachers can become marketing managers over night ? It takes years to skill up and retrain and how are families going to afford to on welfare Jack ?

If sales drop because millions are now job less. Where are all the capitalists with their cheque books open ready to hire the unemployed. There is NEVER always a capitalist with the cheque book open ready to hire the unemployed Jack.

What about all those private sector businesses Jack that earned sales by providing goods and services to the public sector? What about those Jack ? Earned sales by providing goods and services to public sector workers when they popped out for lunch ? What about those Jack ?

Running a budget surplus doesn't allow you to pay off debt Jack. The debt that you very clearly don't understand as you have fallen for the household fallacy and brainwashed out of your mind. Is nothing more than Argentina government bonds that households and businesses keep their savings in.

Have you got any bonds in your pension Jack ? Have you got any bonds in your saving portfolio Jack ? Or is all of your savings in cash ?

Running budget surpluses putting 10O pesos into the economy but taking 200 pesos reduces household and businesses savings. They are now being forced to save less. Less for a rainy day, less to put in their pensions, less to spend on goods and services Jack.

Budget surpluses doesn't pay off debt jack. You can't pay off people's savings held as Argentina government bonds. But the budget surpluses are definitely taking a wrecking ball to people's savings.

If Milie spent 100 pesos but only took 20 pesos out of the economy. Ran a 80 pesos budget deficit. That would give households and businesses a 80 pesos surplus. A good thing right ?

Your an ideologue Jack a stupid one at that. Why we need a very simple IQ test before people can vote. You failed the very simple text above Jack.

Don't worry Jack, the propaganda has been strong over the last 50 years and the GROUPTHINK is soooo strong within the Borg.

You would be lucky if 10% of any nation would pass that very simple IQ test. Only 10% of the population would get to vote. The 10% who know how things really work.

Don't run away now so I can hold you to account. When in the future Argentina starts rioting because house holds can't repay the bank loans that are being forced upon them.



Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 18:35 utc | 40

People who say there is no difference between Biden and Trump wore a mask during COVID while driving their car.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:59 utc | 29

Nice insult. I always thought it was funny seeing people masked up on an empty, open air street.

He's not worse than Biden, I'll say that. Just look at Ukraine and Israel. Plus, he's at least a wildcard, so there's always a chance he may do something good in defiance of the empire managers in Washington. Oh, and he didn't start any new wars and actually made some feeble efforts to limit a few existing conflicts. Not to mention the fact that the TDS crowd is populated by the worst human trash on earth. Anything that would hurt them seems highly attractive at this point.

Nonetheless, a choice for him is likely a choice for war with China. Plus, he's a billionaire capitalist so the economic situation for workers (majority of the population) will continue to decline. And his effort to return to a mythical 80s America is just impossible and crazy. Oh, and he was so painfully naive as to who really runs the country in his first term it was almost sad to watch. I'm sure he's wised up a little per force since then, but what can you expect from an adult with such a child like view of the US government?

The empire managers may come to him in desperation at some point and offer to drop all the litigation if he agrees to continue the current foreign policy as is. They got him for half a billion and he loves money, so they might strike a deal and let him play president for a couple years like Joe has. That would placate a lot of his angry supporters and there's no other organized opposition to the empire managers, so they'd also get to calm things for a bit domestically. The Dems could try to George Floyd him again with their idpol "activists", but they sort of jumped the shark with that ploy in 2020, so I'm not so sure they can easily pull that trick again.

Remember George Floyd!? All that rioting over one man killed. The reaction of the same folks to the genocide of an entire ethnic group? Not even close. The Dem race warriors are full of shit!

Finally, I agree with B: he's not pulling out of NATO. The guy lives to sell arms. Remember his visit to Saudi? The sword dance he did after selling them a ton of weapons and record profit? He just wants to juice Europe for more loot. Keep em on their toes.

The idea he's going to drop NATO is just another scare tactic of the empire managers.

Ultimately, wage slaves have no party, no organization and no candidate. All that will have to be built when the crisis hits a certain stage and millions are ready to die in order to oust the ruling class in the west. However, intelligent people who see what's happening could and should begin work building such an organization immediately. Dozens of barflies are vanguard types and very international.

Read your Marx, Lenin and Trotsky!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 18:38 utc | 41

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:50 utc | 26

Apparently, the same jpcker who believes that the west has been ovetaken by Bolsheviks is ignorant that James jeffrey, who had been handpicked by Trump himself to deal with Syrian affairs, was the guy who admitted openly about lying to the POTUS on the number of troops remaining in Syria. That would be the country whose oil is stolen daily with Trump shamelessly spouting before Laura Ingraham "we're taking the oil".

And that is the real reason that Donnie is hated. In the contemporary west, one cannot state the hideous truth or even a speck of it, but one is obliged to cover it behind innumerable veils of deception that present evil as virtue. Hence the need for woke identity politics and liberal virtue signalling. Trump simply removed the veils from the mirror and the westerners saw themselves for what they truly are.

Yet, none of that is a conscious policy by Mr. "I'm the best thing that happened to Israel" Trump. He went out of his way to overthrow lefitst governments in Latin America, recruiting John Bolton and Elliot Abrams in the way. A zionist, a champion of the Anglo-American empire, a benefactor of the war industry that saw its profits increase yearly under his administration, but somehow, in the minds of the cultists, an anti-globalist who will restore the US republic.

Posted by: Constantine | Feb 24 2024 18:41 utc | 42

JackG @23

Argentina just reported its first budget surplus in 40 years. Which means they are finally paying off their debt. Inflation is dropping.
Actually, we don't know what it means, but apparently it means they are defaulting on their obligations to their own provinces and citizens:
The governor of Chubut province, Ignacio Torres, issued a strong statement to the Argentine federal government, led by Javier Miley, threatening to cut off oil and gas supplies from the region if the province continues to withhold tax revenues. In February, Torres alleged, the government illegally withheld more than $13,5 million, a significant portion of Chubut's monthly tax payments.
Wonder who does the accounting on this? Because an obligations remains a liability even if you default on it. Maybe Milei learned some new accounting tricks while he was copulating with the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem?

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 18:44 utc | 43

NATO is the USA's racket to keep Europe down for as long as possible. Being a member of NATO does not shield any nation which threatens the security of Russia. In his interview with Tucker Carlson, President Putin made it clear that Russia will hit Poland if attacked by Poland. The USA knows that but perhaps the Baltic statelets NATO members are immature to realize it.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 24 2024 18:45 utc | 44

Attacking Trump, much of which is deserved, yet plenty which is not.
"His tariffs on China ... were what the Deep State wanted (proven 100% by the fact they were kept in place after Comrade Joe entered office). He didn't start any wars but he exited the JCPOA with Iran, so he could sanction them ruthlessly and murder women and children (incl. by blocking medical supplies during COVID)"
1. Tariffs on China? Were you living under a rock when every Democrat, every DC Apparatchik and 100% of U.S. Media/Internet said the World would come to an end, that the entire U.S. economy would stop, if Trump tariffed China.
2. "Proven" by the tariffs remaining with Biden? How about China becoming a new punching bag for the Deep State, having lost some of the shine the DC dirtbags felt for China during Trump.
3. "blocking Medical Supplies to Iran during Covid". Hmmm...Iran should publicly thank the USA for keeping Pfizer's poison out of Iranian blood.

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 24 2024 18:47 utc | 45

And for those far-rightists here who pose as champions of Christianity:

The commander of the Iraqi Christian militia and a number of clergymen in Syria praised Qassem Soleimani for doing so much to defend their communities UNLIKE the US and the west in general. A pastor in Aleppo offered his condolences while addressing his flock and the video was posted on Twitter then by the Grayzone. Twitter removed the video, despite being ostensibly against Trump.

That would be Donald J. Trump who ordered the murder of Soleimani because the Zionists he had handpicked as advisors told him it was the proper thing to do.

Posted by: Constantine | Feb 24 2024 18:47 utc | 46

It started with Browder working with Safra to put in the jew to replace Yeltsin. Putin ended that. When Putin stopped the overthrow of Syria, he became the new Hitler.

Trump sealed his fate in 2016 campaigning for better relations with Russia and pulling out of Syria. Which is why Elias, Sussman, Joffe, Rosenstein, Weisseman, Clinesmith, Vindman, and Schiff went after him.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 18:27 utc | 37

Jack, we'd all love to see everyone of these 5th column, Zionazis tried and hung by the neck until dead. Nonetheless, trump is so in love with the Zionazis it's unbelievable. They name illegal settlements after him!

Don't kid yourself, like Kennedy and Biden, Trump will step and fetch for this group.


Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 18:48 utc | 47

Likely mistakenly, I had formed the impression that since Douglas MacGregor had been a defense advisor for Trump at one time that perhaps his views on Ukraine might have some influence with DT. Is that not the case? And that isn't to express disagreement with b's post, which addresses a broader question.

Posted by: dadooronron | Feb 24 2024 18:49 utc | 48

obligations remains a liability even if you default on it.

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 18:44 utc | 43

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Yes, but to whom?

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2024 18:52 utc | 49

Trump is a businessman. He just want NATO countries to spend more money buying US weapons.

Posted by: Zzt | Feb 24 2024 18:59 utc | 50

too scents @49

Yes, but to whom?
To the same obligee. Don't know whether under Argentinian law the provinces can enforce these obligations in court, but the governor did promise to withhold oil and gas and possibly other things. Did Milei, with the accounting trips whispered to him by the">https://media.zenfs.com/en/evening_standard_239/05c1df9d66b507064e67cd8d6b970206">the Wailing Wall during their intercourse, take into account that he would have to write down his future income stream due to the creditor engaging in self-help set-offs?

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 19:10 utc | 51


Trump is a businessman. He just want NATO countries to spend more money buying US weapons.
Posted by: Zzt | Feb 24 2024 18:59 utc | 50

And merchants tend not to be mass murderers because they see people as customers. Of course, things are different for lawyers, especially if they can rely on their lying media.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 24 2024 19:12 utc | 52

RE: Posted by: kupkee | Feb 24 2024 18:47 utc | 45

1)Trump supplied the first “lethal” weapons to Ukraine (even Obama refused that—escalatory dominance in Russias side)
2)Trump exited the INF & Open Skies treaties.
3)Trump placed additional heavy sanctions on Russia (ie Crimea)
4)China tariffs raised Americans struggling class costs (Walmart-Dollar Tree ect)
5)Trump recognized “Juan Guido” idiot, making him Interim President breaking every International law and pummeled Venezuela with sanctions
6)Trump refused to sign reauthorization of START treaty
7)Trump end N Korea relations when told to do so
8)Trump cut corporate taxes permanently
9)Trump “got rid” of 1000s of “awful regulations” on businesses and for businesses, many were redundant & stupid, but some were placed to protect environment, workers rights, and domestic raw materials.
10)Trump randomly, against UN Resolutions, decided to arbitrarily “recognize” land theft by Israel
11)Trump never reduced or bothered to address health care costs. Only prescriptions for seniors.
12)Trump took responsibility and bragged about assassinating Sulemoni (although I personally don’t think he knew a thing or was in the loop at all about it, till afterwards) but was hubristic & proud of being a murderer.
13)Trump felt the USA was “entitled” to steal “50% of Iraqs oil” “we should get out, but take 50% of their oil as payment for what this war cost us”…
How demented is that? You illegally bomb and invade a country, kill 1/2 million, starve and displace millions more, but still feel an entitlement upon not occupying it anymore, that that country needs to “repay you” for the war cost… that’s so demented, that I have no words for anyone that actually “reasons” in this way.

Again…”fool me once”… done

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 19:14 utc | 53

Zzt @50

He just want NATO countries to spend more money buying US weapons.
Where did he say they have to buy US weapons? Europe can make its own. Instead of giving every "migrant" a free apartment, cellphone and food, how about defending your borders if you think you live in such a perilous continent where Russia, Russia, Russia is going to invade you and take away your gay pride parades any moment?

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 19:15 utc | 54

Jack,

Clinton showed a $150 billion surplus projected through 2003. In retrospect, this forecast looks laughable now. US were running deficits again by 2002.

George Bush had to clear up his mess.

The Tories tried to run budget surpluses twice and failed as it resulted, The Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported the household savings ratio sank to its lowest level since records began in 1963 in the final quarter of 2016.

Here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39453844

The reason governments run deficits is because the private sector wants to net save and the external sector wants to net save so the government must run deficits to allow them to save.Unless you run massive trade surpluses to compensate. The ONS provides the data every quarter called the sectoral balances.

https://gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/sectoral-balances/


By the way Clinton ran budget surpluses from 1998 to 2001. So ran private sector deficits for that whole time. The private sector where spending more than their income.

The US national debt hardly moved. In the other words the amount of people holding US treasuries as savings dropped a little bit. As household and businesses savings were being decimated.

You can't pay off debt Jack.

You can't force China to swap their US treasuries for cash Jack. You can't force anybody to swap their US treasuries for cash.

Unless you think austerity and money scarcity and crashing the economy is the best way to do it.

You could ask China or anybody holding a US treasury that the government will just buy it off them. But that just leaves them as reserves and the reserve balance will increase by the exact same amount. Which is exactly what QE was.

https://gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/quantitative-easing/

Swapping longer dated saving vehicles to shorter duration ones. Why it was impossible to cause inflation by doing it. Even though the ideologues thought it would cause hyperinflation lol.

The king and queen of QE - Japan and the Eurozone couldn't even hit their 2% inflation targets and always fell below it after Quadrillions of QE over many years.

So please step away from the ideologue Jack, who filled your head with nonsense. Whoever it is you have been following. Free yourself from the GROUPTHINK and learn to think for yourself.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 19:19 utc | 55

The US already has Europe under its control in terms of Security, Defence, Energy, certain external trade [sanctions etc.], military tackle procurement, deindustrialising Germany, an expanded NATO, and with Ukraine Ag. [Big US Ag etc] salivating on taking over much of its food security with cost advantage .... so ..

....

I confidently expect this to continue until present European leadership is toppled, if ever.

Does it really matter who is President of the US?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 24 2024 19:22 utc | 56

Trubind1 @53

Have a few more off the top of my head:

14) Trump created Operation Warp Speed to create his "big, beautiful vaccine" and then declared medical martial law
15) Trump increased the national debt by about $7 trillion during his 4 years of sucking kosher penis
16) Trump started extradition proceedings against Julian Assange
17) Trump gave trillions in tax cuts to the billionaire class, lying through his teeth that it would help the "middle class" he worked to destroy (yes, middle class person saved $100 in taxes, billionaire Adelson, Bloomberg, Soros, etc. saved $100 millions)
18) Trump didn't remove a single illegal alien from the US. Or prosecute a single employer for hiring illegal aliens, despite all the existing laws enabling him to do that.
19) Trump implemented various gun control measures, including the bump stock ban.
20) Trump did not repeal Obamacare or do anything to destroy the nefarious AMA and its obscene medical monopoly
21) Trump moved to militarize space with his "Space Force"

My goodness I could go on and on forever. Doesn't matter, the Trumptards will fawn over their Orange ZioNazi like he is the Second Coming. "Stupid is as stupid does."

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 19:23 utc | 57

22) Trump original family name Drumpf (Jewish)

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 24 2024 19:34 utc | 58

b, thank you thank you thank you.

I have been stressing this point for many months.
People love rumours and fairy-tales.
Trumps vs. NATO is one of them.

Posted by: AG | Feb 24 2024 19:36 utc | 59

NATO is well past its sell-by date.

If I thought for a moment that Trump would cancel NATO then I’d be a MAGA-chud in an instant.

Sadly, nobody’s vote is ever honestly counted in the so-called “democratic” West, and even if that were not the case I still wouldn’t vote for Trump.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Feb 24 2024 19:39 utc | 60

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 24 2024 16:31 utc | 2

We know that every single grandchild of Biden is jewish. All of his children have procreated with jews.

Nearly all of Trump's grandchildren are jewish. I want to say all of his grandchildren are jewish but I think there might be one or two that aren't.

How do people not notice these things ?

What kinds of conversations do you think occur in these immediate families ? What kind of decision making processes do you think this influences ?

Literally, professionally and personally, Biden is completely surrounded by jews. Same for trump.

Wake up already, America.

Posted by: ryanggg | Feb 24 2024 19:52 utc | 61

I have been in construction for 50+ years. Big stuff. Complicated stuff. Nuclear power plants and launch pads and so on. There is not a commentor on this thread I would hire. First, while going after Trump, not even one offered an alternative plan of action. Armchair quarter backs. At the age of 75 I jumped back into the fray in an attempt to influence the politics in the USA. The opposition has all the money but there are more of us. We can only win by a thousand paper cuts. There are grassroots activists from one end of the country to the other doing the same thing. Second, I would always hire the “git’re done” types. I don’t see any of those types here.

Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Feb 24 2024 19:53 utc | 62

RE: Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 19:23 utc | 57

Yup… but it’s all so “unfair” to victim multi-millionaire Trump.
I think of all those who sit behind bars because when “lawfare” attacked them… they didn’t have “millions” to defend themselves, so there they sit.
In addition… he got a “go-fund-me” and idiots are actually sending money to aid his “fines” and legal costs to the tune of “millions”… lol.

It couldn’t be a better run populist, victim “of the system” candidate campaign and deception for regular folks.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 19:53 utc | 63

Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 19:14 utc | 53--

Excellent listing!!

CalDre | Feb 24 2024 19:23 utc | 57--

Excellent continuation of listing!!

What you both demonstrate is the inability of people to recall the past, just as b's article does.

My comment from yesterday's thread:
"We used to make things. Now we make believe. And we can't tell the difference."

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2024 19:57 utc | 64

GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Feb 24 2024 19:53 utc | 62--

You haven't been reading this blog over the years as I've provided many alternatives as have others.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2024 19:59 utc | 65

GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN @62

while going after Trump, not even one offered an alternative plan of action. Armchair quarter backs
You think you are such a stellar genius compared to all us idiots, but you can't think of an alternative but to vote for the Orange Traitor/ZioNazi/Fraud/Deep State Operative? LOL, while working on your nuclear power plants and launch pads, did the idea of "thinking out of the box" ever occur to you? They system is so utterly under the control of the vampire squid that pulling a lever is not going to solve the problem, did that every occur to you? Do you really think punching a button on a computer screen is how you are going to change the power structure of the world? Could you possibly be more naive?

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 20:02 utc | 66

The Orange Lubavicher is the perfect salesman for his MIC employers!

Remember this one...?

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Feb 24 2024 20:02 utc | 67

This protection racket has been done before, they probably took notes from the original version: Delian League

Let's see: naval empire pushes allies around, ships treasury home, check. Feels cocky and picks fight with major land power, gets its own ass handed back. Whoopsie, recalculate ...

Posted by: pessoa | Feb 24 2024 20:02 utc | 68

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 17:45 utc | 24

###############

Turkey tried buying Russian AD, which is the best in the world and got them a serious rebuke inside of NATO.

Any of these supra-national organizations have clauses and procedures for joining. As we saw with Brexit, leaving is uncharted legal territory. It's not like NATO states can withdraw in a calm and friendly manner if they even had sovereign governments in the first place.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 24 2024 20:03 utc | 69

Washington sets fire to houses at night and sells expensive fire insurance by day

Posted by: Simon | Feb 24 2024 20:04 utc | 70

LoveDonbass @69

Turkey tried buying Russian AD, which is the best in the world and got them a serious rebuke inside of NATO.
That's different, first because it is ... "Russia, Russia, Russia" (i.e. not part of the Empire), and second, they were worried this would enable Russia to be able to defeat the Empire's stealth aircraft.

But in case you haven't noticed, European countries produce various fighter jets, tanks, artillery systems, APCs, etc., lots of which we've seen burning in Ukraine (along with their US counterparts). No reason they can't expand to build even more European weapons systems. Sure US pressures them but US pressures countries outside NATO too, US pressures everyone, it thinks of itself as the "exceptional nature", which is a euphemism for the Global Tyrant.

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 20:13 utc | 71

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Feb 24 2024 20:02 utc | 67

######

Good share.

The look on MBS' face says everything. The photo op comes off as a "proof of life" from a kidnapper.

Contrast that photo with MBS and Putin.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 24 2024 20:17 utc | 72

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 20:13 utc | 71

###############

Why would any country that cannot print money out of thin air purchase French and Polish weapons that are burning in Ukraine?

The Aussies tried to buy a dozen French submarines and the US torpedoed that deal to sell their "superior" submarines with gender-neutral bathrooms.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 24 2024 20:23 utc | 73

I’d be happy if the US spent the same gdp as EVERYONE else to keep a ‘natzio defensive force IN Europe’.
They could withdraw much of their occupation imperialist forces, bases and nukes back to Yankee land and concentrate on their putrid ‘homeland’ security instead.

And take all the insipid Silicon Valley Uber-alls rent earning enterprises back too.

Enough being victims of US National Interests which are basically those who fund whatever potus gets in. Most support both candidates. They are like hyenas fighting over the RoW stricken beast.

Enough. Fuck off.

Europe. X

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 24 2024 20:24 utc | 74

In the event that the JFK routine is not used on Trump:

Paul Craig Roberts says there is a plan to put Hillary in as VP.

Biden resigns, Kamala becomes prez (sic) and she appoints . . . . Hillary as her new VP. Hillary can then run as the Demoncrats prezidential candidate and make the election against Trump close enough that the Dems can steal it (can't do that with prezidementia Biden).

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2024 20:25 utc | 75

Trump is not the problem.

Europe is.

For one, because they are not able, not even willing, to reign America's beach heads - such as Poland and Ukraine - here in Europe. Next to America, Poland and Ukraine are the only remaining suspects for having blown up the Nord Stream pipelines. The correct reaction would be to cut them off completely, until they have clarified their roles and proven to Europe they'll never attack their neighbouring countries again. Instead, Europe send 50 billion Euros to Ukraine and 135 Euros to Poland. No questions asked. Money that, by the way, Poland and Ukraine will most likely forward directly to America. To purchase American tanks and America nuclear power plants. In America. Not in Europe. With money they got from their European neighbors.

Second, because Europe is actively strengthening structures that allow people like Trump (and, for that matter, any other American president) to do whatever they please, without control. When strong democratic structures are in place, would-be-dictators have no chance in hell to succeed. When democratic structures, such as strong, reasonably independent organizations like the UN, the WTO, WHO, OPCW, ICJ, have been castrated and turned into America's puppets, there is nothing and nobody left to stop Trump et al from doing whatever they please.

First, Europe helps to shut down international organizations. Then, it puts all its money on a US-controlled NATO. Then they are surprised when the US uses its control to squeeze Europe.

Europe shouldn't complain: They asked for what they are getting.

Posted by: Marvin | Feb 24 2024 20:26 utc | 76

Why would any country that cannot print money out of thin air purchase French and Polish weapons that are burning in Ukraine?
All weapons systems are vulnerable to destruction, including the US ones. My point was only the assumption that spending 2% on "defense" (more aptly, war) necessarily enriches the US MIC - no, it also enriches Europe's MIC. Of course the same Globalist Oligarchs own both. Heck Europe still has its monarchies in place in most countries, their wealth isn't even tracked (so they never make any "billionaire's" list, since that is composed solely of publicly available information and accordingly they are an utter farce in terms of real global wealth).

Aussies have a far longer and better relation with the US than with France, it is part of the "Five Eyes" and "Commonwealth of Nations" (yes I know US is officially not part of that "Commonwealth"). I honestly don't know who has the better submarines for the buck but what I do know is that the US offers Australia "protection" that France does not. Anyway I don't even know what your point is here :), that there is competition for arms sales, or that any sales by the US are necessarily corrupt, or what?

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 20:29 utc | 77

@Posted by: JackG | Feb 24 2024 17:44 utc | 23

The Argentinian parasites are the large land owners, mining companies and financiers who have colluded with foreign interests ever since independence to stop industrialization - it's like the US South won the US Civil War. They repeatedly get their puppets to in debt the nation to massive amounts, which is then used to enrich the oligarchs while becoming a liability of the average Argentinian. Including funding massive capital flight just before the currency is crashed, so that the oligarchs can then repatriate their foreign funds and buy up stuff really cheap.

The taking on of massive foreign debts have always been done under oligarch-puppet rule. In the 1970s is was the military junta, in the 1990s under Menem, and in the late 2010s under Macri (who kept the exchange rate at a high fixed rate while the oligarchs got their money out, funded by a fraudulent IMF massive loan). The result in all cases, as now with Milei, is a currency crash/massive devaluation that allows the oligarchs to repatriate their foreign exchange to buy up things on the cheap along with their foreign buddies. In the process the general public, especially those on fixed incomes (pensioners, state workers), gets their savings and income utterly destroyed.

So please stop propagating oligarch propaganda. The senior corrupt bureaucrats and politicians were all put in place by the oligarchs (Macri, Milei, the judges etc.). The Kirchner governments from the early 2000s to mid 2010s set about clearing up the mess but failed at taking away the power of the oligarchs (aided by the vote of the corrupted Vice President) and with the economy cleaned up and low on external debt the oligarchs could do a "rinse and repeat" operation. Exactly what is happening right now, with the general population getting financially decimated and the oligarchs both in Argentina and abroad making out like bandits.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:33 utc | 78

RE: Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Feb 24 2024 19:53 utc | 62

Well, honestly George I haven’t seen anyone in this thread looking to be hired by you. As for an “alternative”. As I most firmly believe the election was in fact “rigged” in 2020 in the most blatant and “in your face” way imaginable (Al Gore vs Bush… was able to “recount” and get “the proper outcome… the voters obviously didn’t vote the right way…as with Trump.
So, given this… why in the world would 2024 be “unrigged”?

My plan of action would be Zero Americans voting, that equals 🟰 no electoral votes = no elected candidate…
Until the American people revamp and reform ALL candidate & election laws, including & most importantly, finance campaign laws.

You just doing want Americans have been doing for 40 years, voting for the least evil, or not voting at all.
Every one of the candidates swear to be a “get her done”
(Which I agree is what is needed) but everyone of them indent us more, restrict our bill of rights exercise, and take us to foreign wars, or at the very best, don’t start a new one in the midst of 7 existing ones.

I haven’t seen a President yet that was serious & actually support campaign reforms like you and your grass roots friends are about, because to do that, would mean destroying the paved road of finances that got them there and none of them will do it.

You may be right about winning with a 1000 paper cuts, I personally think one solid violent revolution to remove the core of this rotten apple is faster.
But then, not a single good thing ever came out of a violent revolution, so I yield to your 1000 cuts and hopefully my great grandchildren will actually be able to bring a worthy candidate to pass.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 20:37 utc | 79

@Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 24 2024 18:01 utc | 30

Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with his mentor (Roy Cohn) and his son in law (of his favourite daughter) being ardent Zionists, and his grandchildren being raised as ardent Zionists.

The right-wing Zionist Organization of America called the former president ‘the best friend Israel ever had in the White House’ and will honor him with its Theodor Herzl Medallion next month

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022-10-14/ty-article/.premium/zoa-to-award-donald-trump-with-its-highest-honor/00000183-d7ca-ddf0-adb7-f7ee786d0000

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:38 utc | 80

Michael A @2
Trump is not an Epsrein pedo. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. As for being an Israel lover, there is no doubt about it. You are correct with that claim. Trump was Satanyahoo's Goy Toy (TM) in his first term as President, no change expected in his second term.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 24 2024 20:39 utc | 81

Trump will not effect any change himself, but the DJT phenomenon is still in play. Paradoxically, this time, Trump is being used to shepherd the dissident right back into the system.

He will arrive on the scene with a cape and a big D on his shirt and will offer the population a CBDC. Just "sign here" to make America great again.

Ronald Reagan on steroids. Federal government on steroids.

However, trying to keep spirit down is a fool's errand, and TPTB have to keep letting off steam in the form of reactionary sentiment from the dissident right. This is a delicate process and I think it is a hopeless one. DJT used nationalist rhetoric back in 2016. That nationalist vocabulary has made too large of an imprint on the collective unconscious in the west.

It is too late to contain it, though try as they might via DJT 2.0. There is the phenomenon and there is the man. They are not the same.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 24 2024 20:40 utc | 82

@Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2024 20:25 utc | 75

Kamala as Presidential candidate and Killary as VP? Such a ticket is utterly unelectable and Trump would have a field day, if the Democratic Party high ups are really considering such a thing it shows how separated from reality they are.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:43 utc | 83

Roger @83

a [Kackler Harris/Hidebeast Clinton] ticket is utterly unelectable
Au contraire, thee knoweth not the awesome power of the mail-in ballot.

Posted by: CalDre | Feb 24 2024 20:49 utc | 84

RE: Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 24 2024 20:40 utc | 82

Yup, along with a military “cadre” to assist with implementation of “straitening out America” and MAGA.
There’s “nothing wrong with America, it’s the greatest nation on Earth, it just has some bad people”….
Policies are all great, we just need to get rid of Demo-rats and move about the business of business and banking and regime change everywhere with a Juan Guido in every nation, and steal oil.
Life will be great!!
But we have to go after China first… China is so unfair to us. They are the most unfair people, and very dangerous.
Bigley dangerous to America. They need to understand that America will no longer be “run over” by them. We are the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth today, and they need to understand, we mean business. Our military is the strongest, and under my leadership, it will be the best strongest military you’ve ever seen. So, China needs to take note, I’m back, the military is back, and will will no longer tolerate these “unfair” practices!

How’d I do?
Good inauguration speech?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 24 2024 21:04 utc | 85

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:33 utc | 78

Decent effort on your part Roger, but this poster is the convinced that the US and the west in general has been taken over by Bolsheviks who hate "White Christians". Plenty of folks in Donbass who identify as commies and Christians and they have a much better understanding of the fascist/liberal enemy hounding them all those years than this lunatic poster.

Posted by: Constantine | Feb 24 2024 21:17 utc | 86

Trump is just an actor. A gay Jewish actor. If there were no place for him in the script, he would be written out of the script. All publicity is good publicity. The various prosecutions keep him in the public eye. If the powers that be wanted him gone they would just tell the editors and publishers to ignore him. If his name was not blazoned in every headline he'd be gone in a week.

Most American politicians barely rise to be lesser of evils. Trump is popular. He has the common touch. The public likes him. It doesn't matter what innalekshuls think of the man, he pulls crowds. Obama and Clintons and even Bush the Lesser were popular with cliques and factions. Trump gets big public.

Which doesn't mean he will do anything. It does make him a bit dangerous. He does go off script. If the scriptwriters much cared they would write him out. At this point expect him to be around for a while. Don't expect plot resolution or denouement. The scriptwriters are the same team struggling to do something with Joe Biden. They are not very good.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 24 2024 21:41 utc | 87

NATO spending will be used as alibi to rob the European taxpayers´savings so that to keep the petro-dollar system alive...

Bruno Le Mairie, French Economy Minister, has told that they are currently discussing in Gante ( Belgium ) how to take over some thousands of millions of money from European taxpayers savings to pay for "defense spending", amongst some other current scams at play to keep US economy alive and unleash "the elites"´ new tyrannical order to save themselves, like "climate change transition" and "IA development"...

In short, they try to make us paying everything and the jail too....

That is slavery, if you had not noticed yet....

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 24 2024 21:41 utc | 88

You know Trump will not slide a micromillimeter from "the elite"s´ path when you see that British lettuce making her speech at CPAC along Trump´s so recauchuted daughter in law....

They may perform being pro-life and family, but not ours....they do not refer neither to our lives nor our families.....

Try to get it....

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 24 2024 21:46 utc | 89

I served under Bush sr, Clinton, Bush jr, And Obama. Trump genuinely tried to get us out of these endless bullshit wars and he didn’t start any new wars. In fact, after he was out of office members of the IC/MIC establishment went on corporate media and bragged and laughed about the fact that they lied to President Trump that all troops had been pulled out of Syria as per Trump’s legal orders when in fact the troops were left in Syria.

Green Beret Brother Joe Kent’s wife was one of those troops who was supposed to have been redeployed but was subsequently killed by a suicide bomber weeks after President Trumps direct and lawful order was defied. Joe Kent is left raising two children without a mother. I can’t imagine raising my two without my wife.

Trump did something magnanimous that I never saw from any other President I served under. When the Iranians brought down one of our most expensive stealth drones a plan for retaliation was formulated. Of course. The plan entailed missile strikes on multiple Iranian targets. Trump asked how many Iranians would be killed?

“Oh just a hundred or two” replied the portly generals. President Trump said no. We will not kill two hundred Iranian conscripts guarding installations out in the middle of the desert and leave hundreds of widows and orphans just because they downed an unmanned drone where no American died.

Bolton and the portly generals and portly Pompeo were outraged! Trump won’t let us slaughter Muslims! Scott Ritter, by the way, inverts the facts and claims that Trump wanted to kill Muslims and the magnanimous generals talked him out of it. What is your political agenda my friend? Such a glaring lie calls all of your otherwise excellent analysis into question.

And for those of you who say Trump will continue the tradition of Israel/America cuckoldry, listen to what the man actually says. He says he will have peace within 24hrs after he is elected. How is that possible? Simple. Cut off all of the Jews in Israel and cut off all of the Jews in the Ukraine from American tax dollars, military expertise and technology. Done, done and done.

Trump was loyal to the Jews to an extent. Why? Ivanka. They got his daughter. A father will do anything for his daughter. You don’t think the Talmudic demons plotted this?

But Trump has already announced that Ivanka and Kushner will have no place in the next Administration because he wants to spare “spare them the stress.” Trump outmaneuvered the most vicious Jews in the world when he dominated NYC real estate. You think he doesn’t know the score? You think he doesn’t have a plan to defeat the Talmudic demons?

Posted by: RLTW | Feb 24 2024 21:47 utc | 90

I have been in construction for 50+ years. Big stuff. Complicated stuff. Nuclear power plants and launch pads and so on. There is not a commentor on this thread I would hire. First, while going after Trump, not even one offered an alternative plan of action. Armchair quarter backs. At the age of 75 I jumped back into the fray in an attempt to influence the politics in the USA. The opposition has all the money but there are more of us. We can only win by a thousand paper cuts. There are grassroots activists from one end of the country to the other doing the same thing. Second, I would always hire the “git’re done” types. I don’t see any of those types here.

Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Feb 24 2024 19:53 utc | 62

Oh, special George. How pray tell would you have us got er done?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 21:55 utc | 91

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 24 2024 20:23 utc | 73

Nice to see you back, old boy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 21:56 utc | 92

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 24 2024 18:35 utc | 40 nicely laid out
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 18:38 utc | 41
Posted by: Constantine | Feb 24 2024 18:41 utc | 42

MoA posters are on fire today! Good reading. Thanks B for this, as usual. Putin the bogeyman, great agitprop when he's winning, great when he's losing, NATO is the thin red line... what a world...

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2024 22:01 utc | 93

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:33 utc | 78
A very reasonable assessment of the Argentine situation: for years the efforts of the post-Peronist 'left' to translate massive popular mandates into reform governments have been thwarted by the oligarchy that you describe which despite its small electoral punch has to be taken seriously because of its domination of the military, the judiciary and the media.
Millei's strategy seems aimed at provoking unrest which will justify his invocation of martial law. In finance his stated aim is the replacement of the peso by the US dollar- the dream of Argentine's wealthy for years.

Fascism in America-north and south- is not, as Lewis predicted, entering power waving a cross and chanting psalms but repeating the childish mantras of Ayn Rand, von Mises and Hayek. To whose threadbare economics have been added the 'socialism of fools' in the form of anti-semitism, climate change denial and novel epidemiological theories.

As to Trump and NATO- Trump is doing no more than recycling the 'isolationist' talking points of the Taft Republicans in 1949. But he is, of course, being an idiot, confused, forgetting that NATO was never anything but an anti-communist front, ostensibly a defence against Soviet Union which had no intention whatever of wasting energy invading Western Europe but actually a means of crushing the socialist currents which dominated Europe's post fascist society.

Having achieved that NATO became a tool to be used to crush the democratic aspirations that survived and remained a threat to the 'rights of property' and the privileges of capitalism. That having been done, in the elevation of the post democratic EU system over sovereign nations, NATO's purpose now is to advance the imperial interests of German led Europe.
Trump is simply saying- 'Sure we will help you get the living space in the east that you have wanted for centuries. But you will have to pay us for it by buying the arms we sell at the prices we set.'
It is third rate demagogy, of course, the US profits in many ways from NATO and the free bases it provides, and will only leave if forced to do so, but the "Europe is getting a free ride from the American people" line is just the sort of thing that goes down in Peoria, which is why the people there are broke.
And open to the message that Trump, the right, and the demoralised (in every sense of that term) cough up.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 24 2024 22:03 utc | 94

The only reason to vote for Trump (unless you’re a rabid MAGA guy) is that Trump will start purging the US Federal Government of UniParty pukes, because they crapped all over him, and for Trump, everything IS personal, so he’ll take his revenge if he can. Which, all else being equal, is at least one step on the road to rebuilding America.

You Europeans need to get over yourselves. If you want peaceful prosperity, turn East. Embrace the Vlad!

Posted by: OldFart | Feb 24 2024 22:04 utc | 95

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 24 2024 18:48 utc | 47

Yes, what country-fried rube still thinks that Trump's not a water-carrier for the 1%? The real source of Dem anger is that Trump intuitively knows that many voters are desperate for some meaning. It's the populist's ace in the hole, and why he'll be re-elected. But his last term was as vanilla as any other Prez. Embryos vs. gender-benders while the world burns.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2024 22:07 utc | 96

re: Roger | Feb 24 2024 20:43 utc | 83

you wrote: " Kamala as Presidential candidate and Killary as VP? Such a ticket is utterly unelectable and Trump would have a field day, if the Democratic Party high ups are really considering such a thing it shows how separated from reality they are.

I was hoping you would listen to the PCR interview. Kamala would be not the presidential candidate, Hillary would be running against Trump. The Dems know Kamala is just as unpopular as presidementia Biden; Kamala would be given some peach job and would step aside for Killary.

PCR says the DOJ report that Biden is mentally incompetent to stand trial was a set up for his removal, a report that Killary recently highlighted. PCR doesn't seem to think Michael, I mean Michelle Obama would make a viable candidate.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2024 22:14 utc | 97

Posted by: pessoa | Feb 24 2024 20:02 utc | 68

Idiotic analogy. As always the key differences between antiquity and the present are ignored so some fake know-all can shove his round block into a square hole and crow 'see nothing changes in history'. A little knowledge...

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2024 22:20 utc | 98

"the infowars lardball, etc."

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 24 2024 16:31 utc |

Alex Jones for President.

"How could it get worse?"

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 24 2024 22:23 utc | 99

SwissArmyMan @58
Could you provide aus with some evidence or examples of Drumpf being a Jewish name? It is just medieval German spelling of Trumpf, which means Trump in English.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 24 2024 22:32 utc | 100

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