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February 18, 2024
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-052

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

Blogging:

Ukraine:

Middle East:

> On one occasion, a handful of children, all about ages 5 to 8, were carried to the emergency room by their parents. All had single sniper shots to the head. These families were returning to their homes in Khan Yunis, about 2.5 miles away from the hospital, after Israeli tanks had withdrawn. But the snipers apparently stayed behind. None of these children survived. <

Russia:

Misc:


Other issues:

Assange:

Germany:

Use as open (not related to Ukraine or Palestine) thread …

Comments

Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 19:07 utc | 396
The ‘mad scientist’ beer analyst and ACME patent holder. Chuckle. Out of his depth standing in a rain puddle. You wanna understand complex climatology Joe? Sit at the bar and watch your hot beer go flat mate.
I love it! (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 21:06 utc | 401

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 21 2024 20:35 utc | 400
The disclaimer at the start
“Note: I apologize in advance for the potentially rambling nature of this piece, which is something of a stream of consciousness geostrategic meditation. It’s possible that this is too abstract to be interesting. If so, please berate me in the comments.”
I guess I would leave off the last sentence and steal the rest.
Looking at this world through the lens of history…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:06 utc | 402

Dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5YU_spBw0

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:16 utc | 403

re Peter 401, above — the tiny numbers are not quite as telling as one might think. Consider the butterfly effect — Well yes, it’s a fairly stupid metaphor, because weather is verrry large when compared to the energy of a butterfly wing and the whole system there is one of statistical mechanics, where fluctuations will dissipate with time and distance, even high energy ripples like a sonic boom do so quickly when viewed in comparison to weather scales. But still: the idea in itself is a sensible one. Imagine a comet approaches our sun from somewhere out there in deep space, it will bring mass and momentum and angular momentum when it enters the gravitational interplay with Sol, and this decides whether the object will be bent in its trajectory but continue its path into space, getting lost there; or whether it will be stuck in the gravitational “valley” and thence continue its journey orbiting around the sun, until it finally crashes down onto it. Both of these “orbits” are seperated, ideally/mathematically, through a perfect closed loop, like going round on a pefect circle (perhaps) notionally. This seperating “closed” orbit [thick as a line and formed like from a circle of play doh] is termed unstable, because any disturbance of an object travelling there will immediately plunge it into entrapment, or push it out into deep space. Now, this line-thin closed orbit obviously seperates two very different types of scenario; and even when we don’t know how this orbit looks like exactly (because you can’t measure a real number to absolute precision anyway) we may know it’s there, and when crossed the dynamic system will change its behaviour in a fundamental way. The greenhouse theories are using this type of idea, also sometimes called “chaos” or KAM-theory. Check the link and see if this language has any appeal to you; if it does, I encourage you to be henceforth very unafraid of maths. Contrary to popular conception, I believe the ability to perform complex calculations is not an actual prerequisite to a full understanding of most, if not all, mathematical concepts; concept-wise. But you may want to try this as well, get a schoolbook and begin wherever you like, and if it’s fun, you’ll find yourself able to go all the way (though some ways are long and tedious still). But before you do that, research the concept of the (strange) attractor, I suggest to seek out visualizations or perhaps a filmed lecture according to taste. This will gain you a fairly thorough idea of dynamical systems theory, right there.
Perhaps you knew this all along – if not, you’re welcome, the pleasure is mine entirely.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 21 2024 21:24 utc | 404

persiflo | Feb 21 2024 21:24 utc | 405
Although I have needed it all my life, I am very poor at maths. Prior to the internet, when I required and equation (simple ones) I would get a maths book from the library, learn the equation, use it, and within two weeks would have forgotten the equation. Calculators for various equations becoming available on the information highway were a godsend. I cannot remember telephone numbers or even my children birth dates.
But concepts – I have always found them easy to grasp. Will have a look at your link.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:33 utc | 405

…. current percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere at currently 0.0426 … 100 times smaller.
The dark ages comes to mind.
@ Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 20:36 utc | 401
The Dark Ages are alive inside your Mind Peter.
Still good to see you admitting you were wrong, yet again. Takes a big man to admit his mistakes.
But if you think that CO2 is small? Methane (CH4) is currently 0.000193346 …. 220 times smaller / less than CO2.
Yet, if they didn’t exist at all Big Pete in these tiny minuscule amounts, you’d be frozen solid inside a block of Ice. No, actually you would not exist.
That’s how utterly unimportant inconsequential and powerless they are. (smile)
@ Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:16 utc | 404
Big Pete
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GStw-6m8Kus

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 21:54 utc | 406

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0:00 Intro
04:51 Why is the world in crisis?
08:21 Intersectional Strategies
16:28 Reforming Capitalism
22:31 The Atlas Network
42:25 The Illusion of Choice
50:16 Corporate Capture
01:00:21 Revolution and Sovereignty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzwYlljwIQ
https://metacrisis.org/META-CRISIS/00.+%F0%9F%91%8B+About/Start+Here

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 22:04 utc | 407

UWDude | Feb 21 2024 7:43 utc | 386
Hi, thanks for your response,
Re “normalized temperature data”, it is not original “raw data” – it has already been adjusted “to the 1/100th degree.” And there is the homogenization applied by NCEI as well.
And it is not important the (site/location) data points used from long ago must be measured exactly the same way, at exactly the same times of day, multiple times a day (from back when to eternity), in order to derive an accurate / useful / reliable global temperature record from the past to today. This idea is false.
These science people are pretty clever people. Everything is open source. Nothing is hidden. And it is very complicated work. This is why PhD. Scientists do it and not Gas Station Attendants on their day off. (smile)

Refs:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969718334454
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6891466/
https://datahub.io/core/global-temp
(especially read and learn all about)
GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP)
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/faq/
https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v4/
The Raw Truth on Global Temperature Records
From old buckets to high-tech buoys: why initial temperature data need to be adjusted
https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-raw-truth-on-global-temperature-records/
For historical comparisons, buckets, boats, and buoys
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/exactly-same-completely-different-why-we-have-so-many-different-ways
Explainer: How data adjustments affect global temperature records
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-data-adjustments-affect-global-temperature-records/
In this study, Data INterpolating Empirical Orthogonal Functions (DINEOF) were used to reconstruct mean monthly air temperatures from the Global Historical Climatology Network-monthly (GHCNm version 4) over the land surface from 1880 through 2017. …. output shows that the reconstructed dataset substantially reduces the bias in global datasets caused by sparse station coverage, particularly before the 1950s.
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/gdj3.84

You’re welcome. Stick a fork in me, I think I’m done. 😉

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 22:16 utc | 408

persiflo | Feb 21 2024 21:24 utc | 405
Too many big words for me but looks like equations for many minor factors that may at times offset each other to arrive at net effect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 22:16 utc | 409

Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 21:54 utc | 407
“@ Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:16 utc | 404
Big Pete”
Nah. Throughout my life I’ve just been a 64kg shitkicker.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 22:19 utc | 410

I should add to that last comment that since the onset of this illness I have developed the majestic physical build of a third world child under US sanctions

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 22:25 utc | 411

Im pretty clever too. I know what interpolation is, (I doubt you do, as you have already admitted you dont do maths well). I know you can get a fuzzy idea, but never a precise idea, (which you claim is not important, because the high priests say it isnt, just like the high priests assure you they have somehow taken urban warming over the course of history into consideration.
Re “normalized temperature data”, it is not original “raw data” – it has already been adjusted “to the 1/100th degree.” And there is the homogenization applied by NCEI as well.
Just stop. You are repeating to me something I already know, (normalization), bluffing as if you are the one explaining to me the concept, and then blowing it by claiming it can the be adjusted “to the 1/100th degree”, which is not possible unless the data set used is accurate to the 1/100th degree. You then think the word “homogenize” makes it sound like you have a clue what you are talking about, when clearly you don’t.
You cant have 1/100 degree accuracy if you base numbers arent that accurate, they can only be accurate to the least significant figure
A regression line still is not accurate, and again, at best gives fuzzy figures, and can never account for human error anomolies and patterns.
You digging up a bunch of links, and posting them, about math you clearly do not understand, is you just deferring to authority. 30 years is long enough for you have to learned the calculus yourself to check.
It also shows you still do not understand the point.
MATH IS NOT EVERYTHING. GOOD DATA IS.
And for a science that claims every 1/100th of a degree temp rise counts, they sure know how to fuzzy up.all their bad data to make it appear it was accurate, when it never was.
Furthermore, on the other thread, i brought up the valley to mountain top normalization and global temperature anomaly process, and its inherent flaws.
I dont care to go over them again, because I know the world is not going to end. I don’t care to become a climatologist because 1) I have already chosen other career paths,
2) The field is clearly anti-science. It does not take peer review well, it does not take criticism well, and it ruins any who dare challenge it. No student today who thinks global warming theory has flaws, would ever risk their life, career, and education on going into the field. It has made itself impervious to scientific criticism by destroying all *people* who dare question its methods and validity.
There are no other jard science like this, and in that respect, it acts like many of the politicized soft sciences, so e of which have done so for over half a century.
You can tell NASA is sore by many critiques in its FAQ, where instead of spending any time answering some questions, it just says, “yes, we are aware of it, and no, it isnt significant”, whilst it will publish paragraphs on supporting theory.
So I dont care enough. Ive wasted enough time here already arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
And as a last note, where I will say I am done, and mean it:
No global warming cultist will ever be happy to be wrong. They claim it is about saving the Earth, but they are clearly just another misandrist, armageddonist cult.
They will lie in their deathbeds, cursing god has not destroyed humanity for their sins.
I guarantee you, the world will not end in our lifetimes due to global warming. You people watch too much end of the world sci fi shit.
I.am done with this bullshit, I got better things to do.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 21 2024 23:10 utc | 412

Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 21:33 utc | 406
That looks to me to be mathematical equation for many minor factors where some may offset others.
Some problems involve a small number of major factors plus many minor factors. It seems that on the issue of climate change, some major issues have not been factored in.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 23:11 utc | 413

Im pretty clever too.
UWDude | Feb 21 2024 23:10 utc | 413
Well, I can’t say I agree with your self-appraisal. Your reading skills, adhominem putdowns and abuse especially your strawman arguments are weak as p…, but you sure are funny and good for a laugh. I’ll give you that. And you are a prolific troll here on every thread. Plonk!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 23:28 utc | 414

Not sure why I addressed that last comment to me previous comment but it was with relation to thinking about persiflo’s and putting that into the context of the current’western’ greenhouse cult.
Major factors vs or in coordination with + or – minor factors…
Complexities, complexities.. time for another beer.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 23:55 utc | 415

The great patriotic war – operation Barbrossa… collapse of the soviet union, the Russian nineties. Not another step back and the battle of Stalingrad… Putin is appointed president. The battle of Kursk…. the sanctions from hell and Russian SMO – dedollarization….
Nazi Germany was defeated at the battle of Kursk but much killing before Nazi Germany surrendered.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 0:55 utc | 416

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 2:22 utc | 352
Indeed, that is my thought also, Peter. But I wasn’t being flippant about trees and shade. I was recalling a Chinese study a while back in which belts of tree plantings, I think near the Gobi desert, did actually create a changed localized environment for other plantings. I wonder how those are faring now. They wouldn’t have been eucalyptus plantations though.
Here our scrubby junipers hang on through heat and drought, but the pinons that were plentiful fifty years ago have gradually died out. What they do, though, is regenerate slowly at the bases of the junipers,(shade!) so they aren’t completely gone.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 22 2024 1:54 utc | 417

My nomination for this week’s Special OT Troll Medal of Achievement in silver, with ribbons and a document signed by all involved barflies goes to … Lavrov’s Dog! after his remarkable demonstration of steadfast resolve exhibited above, and his achievement at the end, where after 50 posts of denigrating Peter in various laborious ways he sets out to denigrate him once more on accord of Peter’s intuitive thinking, claiming that precise knowledge was a superior style, thus demonstrating a more severe form of ignorance that not only has blind spots, but where these are also devalued and demeaned.
Of course, he may have been tired, or angry, bored, or perhaps trying to be funny; he also might be pushing some agenda to split the MoA reasoning process and collect the resulting debris for another version of globalist policies. I don’t know, really, and I’ll not care tomorrow, so no hurt feelings and grudges please, but I am also tired now, and hey, see the light, that medal does not everybody get!
As a consolation price I’m personally willing to sponsor a MoA coffee mug this week.
Good night, y’all.
[Pink Floyd]

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 2:44 utc | 418

Oh shit, no ribbons for Lavrov’s Dog this time! The point on intuitive reasoning belongs to UWDude; sorry for the missatribution.
So much for intuitive reasoning! It was this tiny unclear feeling that made me go through the thread again aimlessly, to then discover the mistake, etc etc. —
🙂

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 3:01 utc | 419

But I wasn’t being flippant about trees and shade.
Posted by: juliania | Feb 22 2024 1:54 utc | 418
Neither was I. I am in agreement with everything you have said in the regard.
The sustainable balance. Gender is a big issue these days. We have moved from decriminalization of homosexuals to the mass promotion of all forms of fanciful genders and child grooming to the detriment of the natural family. The sustainable balance is simple tolerance, same as many non Abrahamic peoples/cultures have always practiced. On that issue we have jumped from one extreme to the opposite extreme.
Same with environment. Environmentalist were required to combat industrial rape of that land but we have gone far past sustainable use to the opposite extreme. Air pollution/smog in cities, particualy bad when there was an inversion layer – now we worship at the altar of CO2.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:11 utc | 420

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:11 utc | 421
pollution is a problem. so is climate change. They aren’t doing shit to fight either. Incidentally fossil fuels contribute a lot to pollution (not even defining excess Co2 as pollution).

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:24 utc | 421

pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:24 utc | 422
Sustainability is quite different to political bullshit and group think.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:27 utc | 422

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 22:16 utc | 410
show your math. The fossil fuel companies, with all their scientists on payroll, have not managed to come up with any that shows the net effect is NOT warming. Chinese scientists certainly don’t think it’s a western plot, that is why they are spending so much money on developing renewable energy.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:27 utc | 423

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 2:44 utc | 419
lots of people have lots of intuitions about lots of things that are wrong. and this is often the result of propaganda, like the propaganda campaign against the science behind human caused climate change. You can believe that gigantic, politically powerful corporations have no way to defend themselves against an imaginary worldwide plot by scientists. you must live in an unusual country, not like the US, Australia, the UK, etc. where it is well known that elite money runs the show.
People didn’t calculate the speed of light by using their intuition and then averaging out all the guesses. on some subjects intuition is reliable, sometimes it is not. when there have been long standing propaganda campaigns, as there have been against the Palestinians, against Russia and China, the intuition of the majority of people in those countries reflects that propaganda.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:37 utc | 424

The fossil fuel companies, with all their scientists on payroll, have not managed to come up with any that shows the net effect is NOT warming.
pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:27 utc | 424
You live within the confines of your fantasies when it come to this subject. When have I said that the climate does not change?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:45 utc | 425

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:27 utc | 423
the powers that be don’t do anything meaningful to clean up or stop regular pollution, or deal with climate change (Obama “I increased drilling”. they lie about it instead. and fossil fuel companies have had an outsize influence on US foreign policy, because of the wars for oil. they are not helpless victims, they are some of the most influential players in the game. Our politics is rigged. you are supporting some of the players that rig it. Giant pharmaceutical companies rig it, Giant defense contractors rig it, Gian oil and coal companies rig it.
on a related note, Craig Murray has recently experienced a change in his views on the SMO, because he realizes how utterly corrupt the west is now that it is supporting genocide out in the open. Some people had this epiphany earlier, but better late than never. It’s good to see people being willing to change their views as more evidence comes in.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:48 utc | 426

The epiphany, the road to Damascus moment that leads us to the alter of CO2. What would I be baptized with on reaching this epiphany moment, sacred cow crap… nah cows are polluters.
I actually attended a church for some time as I truly wondered if a god did exist but for whatever reason I was created without in – DunGroanin’s straight to the point terminology – a god shaped hole.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 4:00 utc | 427

You live within the confines of your fantasies when it come to this subject. When have I said that the climate does not change?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:45 utc | 426
my opinions on the subect started forming when even conservatives like Maggie Thatcher found it politically possible to recognize that humans are causing the climate to change. The climate has changed in the past due to natural (that is, nonhuman) factors, it is changing now due to human activities and the feedback loops that result.
you just said that your intuition tells you that the equations deal with a lot of minor factors that cancel each other out. I took that to mean that you believed the net effect of all these factors is not significant in changing the climate.
you also didn’t respond to the point that companies with billions of dollars have not used those dollars to finance scientific studies that show that an existential threat to their core products is based on faulty science. instead, they have made public proclamations of support for renewable energy, just like the politicians they own, which are much cheaper. That is because their own scientists, who had every reason to support the position that humans are not causing the climate to change, told them the opposite. so they largely focused on the propaganda campaign. They still finance a few scientists who come up with aternate theories like Roy Spencer or Harold Lindzen, and they financed one debacle when they gathered a group of skeptical scientists like Judith Curry to conduct what they called an unbiased study, and were greatly embarrassed when those scientists came to the conclusion that the consensus of scientists on the subject was correct.
My intuition tells me that the most powerful institutions in society are not helpless victims.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 4:00 utc | 428

pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 4:00 utc | 429
Cleese was very good at homing in on the foibles of the human mind. On this subject I will have to refer you back to the link I left for dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5YU_spBw0
The joys of the holy roman empire – Kissinger’s Westphalia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 4:08 utc | 429

Never in the life would be existed Russia If Lenin or Stalin nor existed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUfrca_HlU

Posted by: David | Feb 22 2024 4:50 utc | 430

US Trident test failed. UK launch also failed. That’l wipe the smiles off the evil Ruskies faces.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 19:23 utc | 398
But there is plan B already: use khokhly and their trizubs (khokhly = Ukrainians, not polite, trizub = trident in “khokhlomova”, vernacular of khokhly)

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 22 2024 5:13 utc | 431

You live within the confines of your fantasies when it come to this subject. When have I said that the climate does not change?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 3:45 utc | 426
Which amounts to snide adhominem attacks and duplicitous sophistry …. A sophism, or sophistry, is a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive and manipulate. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious intentionally dishonest and deceptive arguments. Sophists aren’t your friend.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 5:41 utc | 432

My intuition tells me that the most powerful institutions in society are not helpless victims.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 4:00 utc | 429
(smile)
Not only that they rely 100% on Science and Scientists in their Multinational Businesses Corporations and in Government. Especially Insurance Underwriters integrating Climate Modelling into their processes at a rate of knots that would make your head spin.
Insurance underwriters are increasingly integrating climate modeling into their future business policies in several ways:
1 Risk Assessment: Climate models help insurers assess the potential risks associated with climate change, such as increased frequency and severity of natural disasters like hurricanes, floods, and wildfires. By incorporating these models, underwriters can better understand the likelihood and impact of such events on insured properties.
2 Premium Pricing: Climate modeling enables insurers to adjust their premium pricing based on the projected risks. Areas prone to climate-related disasters may face higher premiums, reflecting the increased likelihood of claims.
3 Product Development: Insurers can develop new products or adjust existing ones to offer coverage for emerging climate-related risks. For example, they may offer specialized coverage for properties in high-risk areas or create policies that incentivize climate-resilient practices.
4 Risk Mitigation: Climate models can also help insurers and policyholders identify and implement risk mitigation measures. This could include investing in infrastructure improvements, adopting sustainable practices, or relocating properties to safer areas.
5 Regulatory Compliance: As regulators increasingly focus on climate-related risks, insurers may use climate modeling to ensure compliance with evolving regulatory requirements.
Overall, integrating climate modeling into business policies allows insurers to better understand, manage, and mitigate the risks associated with climate change, ultimately improving their resilience and ability to provide coverage in a changing environment.
They made a global Insurance Industry Agreement in 2019 to no longer use Tarot Readings or Psychics to set their Insurance Policy Pricing Mechanism, and switched to Science instead.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 5:51 utc | 433

fyi “It’s a big Club. And you ain’t in it!” George Carlin (smile)
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Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 6:39 utc | 434

Former german general Harald Kujat gave an exposé on the geopolitical situation in the world. The video was published on the YouTube channel called “Neutrality Studies”.
The title of the video was “Ex-NATO Official REVEALS The Lies Of Neocon Warmongers To German Public”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21-RrB8E6Q (duration: 44 minutes)

Posted by: WMG | Feb 22 2024 7:45 utc | 435

Israeli submarines came up in other thread. They were sold to them by Germany.
An official investigation found parts of a German torpedo near the site of the sinking of the South Korean Corvette Cheonan in 2010.
The narrative is North Korea sunk it, however, they deny it. The official investigation concluded not to release the name of the country responsible for the incident, to save them embarassment.
True Story.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 8:03 utc | 436

The german subs were not bought by Israel, but paid for (in part?) by Germany. Because Auschwitz it’s now unconditional “solidarity with Israel” for zee germans at every turn.
Now I don’t remember the share paid by the BRD, it was 50% or maybe more. A boat is 4 billion apiece, Israel has like 6 or 8 of them, more than needed to meintain a patrol at sea – this is part of the Nuttyahoo corruption case. Those boats are fearsome, but they’re also complex machines, and if ever KMW decides to stop supplying spare parts, they’ll fall out of use quickly. This lets me sleep at night.
On a somewhat related note, I heard from a friend who is very much into chatGPT. I tasked him to find out who killed Kennedy using the app, and he came back with a list of fairly nuanced hypothesis, salted with a number of outrageous ones (aliens, time travellers), but what was lacking completely was the Israel angle. They had a motive, as JFK wouldn’t want to hand them the bomb (this is not just design plans and fissile material, there’s also know-how to have, and a reactor to produce fuel, and testing, and missiles to carry the warheads, and subs to carry the missiles, etc). Unz had a lengthy article on that I believe.
On yet another note, still related, I remembered the name of Dr. Bruce Baird, who stated on twitter that the Beirut harbour explosion that left a 70m crater must have been nuclear, simply by comparison with data on crater size for different types of ground by differently sized charges found in a US Army field manual.
There are more suspect cases, if you need a new conspiracy trail have fun with, there’s the Beirut barracks bombing, and the bomb in Bali in the 2000’s to research. 9/11 in my view is not a question at this point anymore. Heinz Pommer argues that a uranium deflagration deep below in the granite sent a sharp energy needle upward which *evaporated* the steel structure, causing collapse. Review the footage: a huge black cloud billows over the site, that’d be iron dust, the grey stuff that later rains down on the city. The towers are not just falling downwards, the motion more closely resembles a fountain shooting upwards and opening at the top, then falling down slightly around the center. The rubble that’s left over after the collapse is strangely little, and the iron parts are shipped for scrapping to China within a few days. They must have had the ships ready to be so quick. How big was the charge? Pommer doesn’t know either, but broadly agrees with the russian who had earlier presented a (somewhat different) nuclear hypothesis: about 150kt each.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 9:03 utc | 437

Can’t sleep because of MoA. Two things.
1 – To Peter. I realize that since now I’ve started this, I’ll have to come back at least once more to the dynamical systems stuff from upthread. I promise to stop bothering you after this; which will not be the same as giving up btw, as these kinds of ideas tend to ripen for longe and very long times, so that what you might not get now may well come to you later. As per the above, your understanding is not quite there yet, so I will have to answer you, better now than later, while not expecting another answer from you (though is curiosity is welcome to me; it’s a general thing, I just like to talk about ideas I guess).
Dynamics always implies time. All physics happens because or, rather, “while” time flows; the dynamics of a system is basically its specific trajectory through time and space and other related quantities such as energy, etc — most generally, you might say that “the laws of nature” [= the apparatus we build with what we know which then work as designed and expected; also called an “experiment”] govern the behaviour of a system in time. If you specify a system by naming its constraints and boundary conditions and the physical laws that apply, the (computed or real, notional always mathematical) path it then takes is called its trajectory (think of a tennis ball after a service); and the minimum number of variables necessary to describe its development are its “degrees of freedom” (tennis ball has three for space), very much the same idea as the notorious term dimension (tennis ball has three for space and three more for velocity in each direction) I’d just like to add while we’re at it. Nothing mystical here, really. The nuance is a bit academical here, just skip it if you wish.
The stability concept is not in a physical/mechanical sense dimensional, as in made up from many small interplaying factors or forces that together produce an outcome (trajectory). Rather, it refers to the basic system parameters (=its specific degrees of freedom) that govern its trajectory through time. – Suppose you’re trying to balance a plate (or a top hat) on a stick, not rotating it, just by laying it on the (upwards) pointing stick. Plate or hat have three sides; the small, round, usually sidewards-facing is very much not worth trying, as they will just roll off. If you turn the top hat around and polace it upside down on the stick, for all practical purposes this will not work, it’s unstable and will crash immediately without a mechanical fixing in place. But the top hat put on the stick, as worn, will balance itself out if you hit its Schwerpunkt – touch it a bit, it will move, but then fall back towards its old position, in a damped oscillation, until at rest. How many degrees of freedom? One, actually. Because the top hat is round, it is irrelevant where you touch it, only thing that matters is how far you displace it before letting go (assuming you didn’t hit it with force here, collisions require more principles to compute – another academical aside here you may skip over immediately).
So that’s one dimension only. abstracting from the round top hat to a two dimensional space, you get a pendulum. How far you displace it one dimension, if the pendulum is rigid (or the string is assumed massless). The angle of displacement describes where it is at all times.
Your intuition of the many involved factors is actually a good one, yet a bit technical here. Thing is, when com puting such things, such as the pendulum, you run into difficulties right away. The pendulum is generally taught as the first and most basic system in all of mechanics, but when you want to solve it for a specific case, you’ll assume the initial to be – hold your beer – “very small”. With this assumption, the sine function somewhere in the equation can be expressed as a composite of “many factors” which come as a sum + + + where the consecutive summands are getting smaller all the way; such that you can skip of after the first or second order term, as they are called (giving to rise to more popular parlance of first/second etc order effects). If you can’t use this assumption, you’re facing an equation that cannot be solved analytically anymore, but has to be “approximated”. Approximation techniques can be automated and processed using a Turing machine (any PC is one) to crunch the numbers.They’ll use grids and points to approximate steady lines and surfaces of higher dimension (“manifold”). In essence, this is nothing but a giant abacus running a routine you’ve coded (“program”). This is what UWDude does for a living (IIRC he said so), maybe he can pick up here and illustrate an example if MoA is still curious.
Now, back to the pendulum, which is as simple as it gets. Real world problems are amost always “bigger” in their degrees of freedom (hence “big data”) and also interdependent in these variables (“complex”). Climate is a prime example for this, and you may now see what supercomputers are needed for. Many engineering problems are alike in this regard, f.i. aerodynamics.
transferring an empiric observable into a mathematical description is called modeling. As yet another aside, this one more profound: physics works well because it only has three different variables to care about: mass (measured with a scale), lengths (measured with a yardstick) and time (measured with a somehwat regular process, like the pendulum swings, atomic frequencies, celestial regularities, or the time it takes to drink a beer; different from the other two in that yardstick and the Ur-Kilogramm are stable references by themselves, a clock can only be calibrated using another clock). Everything else is synthetical! Weird, but true.
Now try comparing apples and oranges with that approach. It’s basically impossible unless you use an approximation or a designator from the get-go in your model. This is why AI is overrated, and also why the body/mind problem does not have a unifying solution that depends on maths to state the relating hypothesis.
I’ll go repair my bike, will try to return later for another interesting question that has surfaced in this giant and fun thread above, concerning intuitive and rational judgement. Bullet point message: they are two differfent things, and best complement each other. For instance, designing and building a bridge is not the same as quarreling with your wife. Both faculties can be learned and developed to some degree. More on this later.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 9:03 utc | 438

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 21 2024 19:23 utc | 398
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Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 21 2024 21:06 utc | 402
Sorry if I’m butting in, but speaking of Wile E. Coyote and ACME, have any of you heard of the new film and Warner Bros.’ Refusal to release it? Some of it involves a David Zaslav using the film as a tax write-off.
On the one hand it’d be great to see something Looney Tunes-related on the silver screen, at least as long as it’s not Disney. On the other hand, I’m left wondering how bad Warner Bros. is WRT business in Israel and whether it should be boycotted along with Disney as part of the BDS movement.
Still though, at least we’ve got the original Golden Age theatrical cartoons to refer to.
I think a more general question would be where one draws the line when it comes to Western pop culture references.

Posted by: joey_n | Feb 22 2024 9:25 utc | 439

joey_n | Feb 22 2024 9:25 utc | 440
The golden age… once upon a time in America – when they could build something as advanced as the SR-71 blackbird and quickly have it flying as per design concept with perhaps less than normal teething issues and fine tuning. When science was science. That was the era of the looney tune cartoons….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 10:14 utc | 440

WMG | Feb 22 2024 7:45 utc | 436
Excellent must watch video imo – Former german general Harald Kujat – well done WMG

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 10:21 utc | 441

You thought it couldn’t get worse for the German economy – well guess what. Manufacturing PMI for January is 42.3, down from 45.5 in December. It has now been in continuous contraction since August 2022.
https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1760604465868976384/photo/1

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 22 2024 10:31 utc | 442

brilliant quote- the intuition of the majority of people in those countries reflects that propaganda.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 22 2024 3:37 utc | 425
@ joey_n | Feb 22 2024 9:25 utc | 440
Thanks. Hard to beat Warner bros cartoons. Roadrunner no doubt the best. and Hanna barbera

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 22 2024 10:45 utc | 443

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 9:03 utc | 439
You got a lot going on, there.
Id love to help you out, but your thoughts are scattershot…
Umm.. the number after 0 is called epsilon.
Higher dimensions are used in computers. We use quaternions in animation, which is four dimensional. The manual for the game engine says do not try to solve them, let the engine handle it, but I do some manual coding on them, but it is simple stuff. Anyways, of you want to try to understand dimensions, watch channel “three brown one blue” on youtubes lecture on quaternions.
He also does a lecture on crypto currency which os good, and one on AI, aka neural networks.
By the way, everybody who says AI is overrated is either scared or ignorant. It is quite common in the game dev world for people to say it, and that is because they see the future, and the future is all intellectual skill, and the time put into acquiring it, will be rendered obsolete eventually by AI.
The media art world, where I started, is devastated, and will continue to be, and widespread AR will make us all able to do any mechanical task in the real world with very little training. There will likely be a resurgence in “cottage industry”, like after the industrial revolution, where people went back to hand making things for a while, but in the end, bulk industrialization will be the way the majority of things get done.
It took me a long time, probably three or four years of game dev to love all the math I learned and forgot in trigonometry and calculus classes, and to understand on an instinctual level some of the concepts. We live in a time where we can see mathematical concepts displayed on a screen, and manipulate woth trial and error. I have done at least a million experiments by now.
My favorite now is by far fractals and pseudorandomness. Computer game dev is said to be the hardest thing in the world. When I heard that said, I thought surely rocket science or brain surgery is harder…
…I can not say too much about past careers, as much as I’d like too, but lets just say, I now know it is true. Game dev is the hardest thing in the world. Especially if you are doing procedural generation and AI.
It makes you essentially look at the world in a whole different way. Because speed is of the essence, usually everything has to be calculated every frame, without reference to the frame before. It’s called computer science, and it is the strangest science, because it is a science based on tools we make, that are so dynamic, we dont know how to make them do what we want them to do.
And it is so strange, bevause it makes you think about every little single tiny thing that must be done to do something, to simulate something.
I know this is not really anywhere on your topic, but to try to explain dimensions, movements, sine waves, pendulums, quanta, intuition, models, simulations, etc. Is not easy.
BTW, we might one day, create a working model of the planet, that predicts temperature, barometer, etc to the minute and square meter, and we could even do so by bypassing measurement and instead using physical properties of everything…
..the difficult part would be the actions of mankind, and their influence, in game dev known as “the player”.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 10:46 utc | 444

AR = Augmented Reality

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 11:22 utc | 445

persiflo UWDude
The world of the mathematician. Something I have a great deal of respect for.
The mathematics of war – data fusion, target solution, required salvo according to factors.
But in many things, we have to go back to the far simpler concept of the forest and the trees.
Details plus big picture. The biologist studying the minutiae within the forest can lose sight of the shape of the forest. Perhaps that is where DWDude is at – in being able to keep an eye on or keep in mind the shape of the forest whilst studying the minutiae within the forest.
One particular experience was when flying an auto gyro. The far too simplified concept that was used to explain how the teetering fixed pitch auto rotating rotary wing functioned and the forces involved.
Learning to fly those things was and is a somewhat lethal learning curve. Weekend warriors fall out of the sky like flies.
Also though they could only be registered as a not for profit recreational flying machine, I went into it as a full time job as a small number of others had before me.
For whatever reason I survived the learning curve and clocked up a few hours. As for rotor replacement, I went with those that had clocked up a lot of hours and simply replaced the rotor at 2500 hours.
I was seeing fretting on the joints where the blades bolted onto to the hub bar and also fretting where the teeter block bolted onto the hub bar. Simplified theory did not explain that and according to theory that did not exist. There was also unexplained vibration coming through the stick under some setups that could not be mitigated nor understood when balancing according to that theory.
Then reports started coming in of hub bars breaking. That was at a time in that game when basic accident investigation was just beginning to be introduced. With that everyone began inspecting their hub bars, some would see cracks/fatigue fractures while inspecting other would land if a sudden unexplained vibration began and find a crack in the hub bar.
Many different alloys and designs are used in hub bars
I decided to start from scratch – reinvent the wheel so to speak – as there was obviously much missing from what we were taught. Group think…
The long and short is that there were two main forces or fatigue cycles acting on the the hub bar. Constantly changing coning angle and difference in angular velocity between advancing and retreating blade which created lateral fatigue cycles. These very basic forces or factors were simply ignored by group think theory. There was also lateral stress/fatigue cycles within each blade due to differing angular momentum along the length of the blade but they where not breaking no matter the design nor material.
I put this to the forum and was shouted down by the maddening crowd. Two there I had a bit of respect for, one a boffin that liked to tinker, apparently he had solved a vibrating issue in a bell helicopter, used resonance nodes to isolate the inherent vibration of the helicopter rotor system from the airframe. He thought about it for awhile then went with group think. Another a helicopter engineer, military I think, said it takes a powerful computer compute the stresses involved. Hinged, multi blade, adjustable pitch rotary wing is far more complex than a simple teetering fixed pit auto rotating rotary wing.
The upshot of that was they brought in a set limit of 1000 hours with inspections by an approved ‘checker’ – chemical inspection, I forget the name of it at the moment – every 200 hours or so. Dickheads. I had long since stopped bothering to register my machine so ignored that crap.
But after that I found the was a balance or a limit as to the amount of blade pitch can be built in before having to go to a more complex vibration isolation design. My winter blades I ran at one degree rotor pitch and ran smooth as silk. My summer blades for the thin air were a little longer and ran at 1.5. This caused a constant tic tic in the stick growing worse when I loaded the rotor.
Coning angle is set by centrifugal or centrifugal force vs load pulling down on the center of the rotor. The higher the coning angle the greater differentiation in angular momentum between between the advancing and retreating blade.
Before I knew this, for my summer blades I used a rotor where the pitch could be set on the ground. I ran them at somewhere between 2 and 3 degrees to give some float in the thin air (altitude density or some such term, I forget now) But there was bad stick shake I could not eliminate by convention wisdom/group think theory. So bad it broke the friggin control stick and I had to come back in on just the rudders and throttle. Live and learn I guess.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 13:35 utc | 446

Oh, how I would love to fly! I’ve always enjoyed a window seat, but it took really off for me when I had brief job doing media anlysis in the aerospace industry. I just got hooked there, at one point I was reading huge detailed test reports in Aviation Week for obscure new jets I had never before I heard of; actually extremely interesting I think are aircrash investigations. In my dreams at night I was doing a looping once, and felt it with my sense of stability; another time I was piloting a helo in strange detail, so after waking up I researched the control handling and found that I was at least very close. And then one day I got a date on okcupid, the girl said “okay saturday, we’ll go flying!” and so we did – she was a pilot, we drove to a really remote little airfield where some most relaxed people were hanging out, doing maintenance, pilot instructor courses, and barbecue. We pulled a Piper from the hangar and went out, sightseeing above northern Germany. From 800 Meters I could see half the north sea coast, and trains and cars crossing the terrain below. Then she handed me the stick! I refused at first, but she affirmed and leaned back, taking her hands off the handle. The air was calm, but after a few seconds – it seemed like one singular moment to me – vibrations built up, and almost instinctively I grabbed the controls. Yet another zero short moment later I felt one with the machine, it was if my body expanded and had fused with the aircraft. I felt absolutely confident and had no trouble to dampen the jolts. “Not bad!” she said, “now fly a curve!” – I was aware of the basic controls, but had never tried to apply stick and rudder to anything, not even a simulator. Yet, after a few seconds of thinking – it felt more a like some hyper-aware state of emptiness until my thoughts set back in – I had a clear picture in my mind, and applied the controls to take the Piper in a gentle right turn … at this point, the girl ditched her prepared maps with the flight plan and let me navigate us only with my eyesight. It got us searching our home strip just before sunset, but all went well.
Getting a pilot’s license in Germany is quite an undertaking. Flying is also very expensive. On top of that, strict rules require a pilot to be sober for questionable for dubious amounts of time; the reason I had not even attempted to get a driver’s license with the money my grandparents had saved up for me upon coming of age. I bought a huge rig for my bass guitar instead, and haven’t got a license to this day. I have time, though, and always loved walking as well as cycling. I’m fond of bicycles, too, but not on the level some others here are. I like mine to be unassuming, robust and functional; they must allow me to deal power. Mostly I find them on the streets of Hamburg, where someone had just left them after they sold their houae or someone died or whatever. The one I repaired today is an absolute marvel, superbly beautiful, built like a russian tank, yet mechanically accurate like an electric typewriter. It’s a small-framed city cruiser in beautiful red, with racks both front and back. I serviced it, put some paint on the rusty parts, added two baskets and new saddle (which I also scavenged readily from the dead vehicles strewn along the streets and backyards in my qurter, and will gift it to my old girl xanthippe, which makes me happy to end. It might last her twenty years without even having to fasten a single screw, or so it feels.
I’ve manifested it somehow, which happens to me a lot. You can learn to do that, there is actual a lot old wisdom on the topic out there. The ancient Chinese liked to quip, half-jokingly, “Be careful what you wish for! It might just come true.” — and yes, that is how it works. Creativity is a form of manifestation, too; and intruigingly, you can experience this in amazing pureness as a mathematician. You’re not solving equations there all day, you are making tools for others to use – I ended up doing numerical analysis, i.e. design and analyze (there are actual experiments being done in the field!) numerical models for PDE-type equations like those in use at the MPI Meteorologie next door from my old institute, but discontinued the career path in favour of hanging out at the Golden Pudel Club (I’m half joking here) and then returned to my actual roots in the questions of philosophy. Then, over a time of ten years, I succeeded beyond my wildest dreams … I understood what maths is, the question that had actualoy led me to taking up this subject in the first place (because I felt I didn’t know anything about this) and then stuck to it because I found it surprisingly interesting and versatile, at times even fun; though I was a mediocre student compared to others. Having achieved that, but failing at my career in the field, I met one of the super-rare adherents of Edmund Husserl here, a friend of us two introduced us to each because we both were always coming back to him – this guy, btw, we both had met when he was Djing classical music sets in various bars all over Hamburg. Andreas Ehlers and me had completely complementary backgrounds, yet the same outlook on questions. He quit his day job immediately, and then we first went through Husserl together in gerat detail, to make sure that we have an understanding, and then through his opponents (like Heidegger). Then Andreas found Mani and exploded into that, while I started to wonder about the non-results in the field of parapsychology, which was totally obscure to me at that time. I had picked it up from my father, who affirmed and demonstrated telepathic understanding in at least one semi-dramatic case when i was aged 9 or so. I had the tools (meta-science wise) ready to at least start wondering what is going on there, and so I took it on my task list. Then I had an epiphany one night, an idea, an actual heureka moment, and the basic approach stands unchanged to this day. My idea came to me as I was hanging out on the Reeperbahn, a can of beer in my hand, where I went for a walk after having earlier left xanthippe at her home on sunday evening – she complained and asked what I was going to do, and I replied “I’m going to solve the riddle around parapsychology” and, well – so I did! I couldn’t believe it for some years, but then got used to it after my worldview changed in a huge way – Mani’s cosmogony, the absolute surprise about what parapychology had actually discovered (I had had no real idea until then), then learning about manifestation, and also starting a “trance metal” bad where I ended up as the guitarist hence facing musical challenges (soloing had never before even occurred to me) and then being taught upfront, straightfaced by xanthippe of all people (who plays no instrument) how that is being done:”switch of your rational, analyticaö minding and just open for whatever comes up … ” — Another idea that I would never, ever, even at once found anything but ridiculous, romantisized pseudo-theoretical bullshit,
but in time I found out that she’d been right. Ialso began to understand other people around this time, something which I sucked hugely all my life before.
So, after another round of anecdotes, I’ll tie it all in with the question about intuition. I can say honestly that I was very rational, analytically-minded for 35 years, in fact presenting the classic picture of a high-functioning autistic person. Then, by means of my methodical/methodological approach to everything, including god, hot girls, cool music and even myself, I came to understand what intuition is. I started using it, and saw it developing quickly … I went from being almost a social outcast because freak to the best in understanding human nature in my circle in the space of like five years. How could aLL this even happen? Intruigingly, Many people tell the same type of story, yewt in their own version. They have interests, they fail for some reason, they mind their own ways instead, and then suddenly, aged 40 or so, they find themselves almost exactly where they had wished to get at the outset, but through the most causally absurd ways … like me, who surely has wanted to create a new spectacular science while holding a can of Holsten Pils in front of a rave bar on a sunday night!
I like to phrase my understanding of this in a simple sentence: Everybody has their own shining path!
“The really relevant is to the eyes invisible”, said Saint-Éxupery, “only by heart you see truly!”
Propaganda, random trauma and pathological stupid people all tend to obscure this kind of vision. And spiritually estranged, hollow societies like the current criminal and atomized west aren’t exatly helpful either. Especially when they then also fall for a morally corrupt ideology, like roman catholic papism, Calvin’s anti-human teachings, the third Reich, or talmudic judaism.
Sorry for the long comment, I hope you find it worth your time reading.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 17:05 utc | 447

Peter AU1, after reading you descibe your challenges with numbers, equations, maths etc, I feel it is very important you watch this –
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1760224589844820395
Did you decorate your school books in a similar manner?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 22 2024 23:56 utc | 448

Ново З | Feb 22 2024 23:56 utc | 449
🙂 I know nutink as sergeant Shultz would say. But, alas, no apple has every fallen on my head.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 1:13 utc | 449

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 17:05 utc | 448
Oh, how I would love to fly!
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Great post! (if a tad long!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 24 2024 0:11 utc | 450

Scorpion | Feb 24 2024 0:11 utc | 451
There’s nothing like it, especially once you get down amongst the trees. I rarely flew more than about 250 foot off the ground.
I busted my knee one time (connective tissue) and had to head over to the coast to get it fixed. Took the family, I needed my wife to drive. My son was in boarding school there as distance education (radio) only went to year ten, so on the weekend, got him out of school and went for a drive.
We went past a sign post for a glider club so went in. About ten in the morning and poked my head in the building to see if anyone was about. Turned out the tug pilot and instructor where there so I asked if they would take the kids up. (my mad max whirly bird was a single seater).
The tug was an old crop duster. Son went first and once the glider was released at about 2000ft he cam back in and we sat on the grass talking. He said they were great for aerobatics.
No thermals working then so the glider would do some circles and banks as it lost height then land. Son looked a bit green and airsick when he got out. Eldest daughter (14 or 15) went up next. She comes back in and I asked he what she thought. She said ‘boring’. Then the youngest daughter went up and she was a bit like the son on return.
So then I asked the instructor if he would take the eldest daughter up again and do a loop. He looked at her for a bit, and said okay. Obviously perked up his interest too.
This time they put a double harness on her, both the instructor and tug pilot ensuring she was well strapped in and away they went. They got in one loop and a couple of sharp banks before they had to come in and land.
She was very animated and the instructor said she didn’t stop talking even when they were upside down. She ended up getting a private pilots licence while working her way through uni though she hasn’t used it since.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 1:31 utc | 451

Thanks for that link. The man has done his homework. Am very much enjoying his:
https://arthuryoung.com/applications/the-theory-of-evolutionary-process-as-a-unifying-paradigm/
in which am pleased to find, in his cosmology, reference to Mahayana and Yogachara Buddhism. As it happens, have been recently writing about both in an ongoing series about non-materialist views/mindsets and was about to write about his ‘Bodies of Buddha’ in the next couple of days (aka ‘Body, Speech and Mind’) as an example of how reality is multi-layered moreover always containing experiential dynamics with no solid, independent physical world outside the field in which life forms arise and which features some sort of consciousness or mind factor, one of whose foundational elements is the perception (and also participatory creation) of three dimensional space with all apparent forms arising within that dimension.
I noticed this tab open from earlier just after writing my earlier comment about the same subject matter. Coincidences are always a good sign, though of what it is hard to say…
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 19:25 utc | 170

I believe the term you’re looking for is nous. As a general quality, it underlies all sentience; and since you seem to claim that everything is sentient, whatever you’re gazing at, will gaze back at you.
The whole thought is neither unreasonable, nor perfectly new. In fact, it seems to “be in the air” these days. I had two of my colleagues arriving at versions of this idea independently, and personally I think it does make sense.
Also note that it is fundamental to pan-psychism, as per definition. Pan-psychism is also nothing new, though I expect it to be the next big thing even in fields like coginitve/neuroscience; but many older proponents have been misrepresented in the european tradition of philosophy because of the roman mindfuck. i’ll point out Spinoza specifically.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 24 2024 9:47 utc | 452

Congratulations, Ashley!
I see now what you’re doing there, and it appears you have just solved a classic problem relating to the mind/body conundrum. Let me explain.
Once Descartes had put forward his dualism, the problematic premise of an independent and eternal “substance” out there has been underneath the surface of all major problems in european philosophy.
The mind/body problem (as I keep saying, because in german it’s called the Leib-Seele Problem) has three and only three basic types of answer in the paradigm of the metaphysics of substance:
1 – mind and body are one and the same. Often called materialism or naturalism, and properly refuted by now here and elsewhere.
2 – mind and body are two independent qualities. The classic cartesian split; it produces the notorious problem how those to would interact if they are defined as being different (known as the coupling problem). Mind-on-matter interactions that would allow coherent description, and perhaps solving the problem, are to be found in manifestation-like influence of “will” on quantum mechanical process, specifically the collapsing of the wave function (through measurement) and its associated probability distribution. Roger Penrose even suggested a mechanism for it involving the intra-cell microtubuli, which he discontinued, but as I came to believe for the wrong reasons, apparent to him because of his obvious naturalist mindset. I read the paper.
3 – Panentheism, or Pan-Psychism. Here, Leib and Seele are always together. Leibniz’ monadology is the most prominent european thought in this direction. It suffers from the classical problem that such a confounding would produce completely uniform distribution of both qualities in the universe; thence Leibniz has to attach his monads two sub-qualities, the vis activa and vis passiva, which together form the prestabilized harmony … or somehow like that.
Now, upon reflecting your comment above, I realize that Leibniz is not only sitting squarely within the metaphysics of substance paradigm, but also in the Newtonian (and later Kantian) conception of space/time as well. It acts as a premise here, logically wise; and if you just remove it (which is okay I’d say), then the problem of uniform distribution also disappears.
ha. nice work, there.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 24 2024 10:53 utc | 453

persiflo | Feb 24 2024 10:53 utc | 454
Human character – that there are born with coupled to developed environmental character. I liken it to buying computer wit certain operating system, and from there the owner can customize by adding the programs they want. The difference being, every human comes with a slightly different operating system.
We watch birds building nests without being taught by other birds, newborns of any mammal going straight for the tit – many things like this indicate a pre installed operating system. I guess that has been observed for a long time and was generally called instinct.
I suspect humans of one genetic group will sometimes, perhaps often have slight general differences in that pre installed operating system.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 11:37 utc | 454

That should have been –
I suspect humans of one genetic group will sometimes, perhaps often have slight general differences in that pre installed operating system to another.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 11:45 utc | 455

Human memory does not work like a hard drive, though. It operates differently, and per the above – albeit a hugely abstract point – also not conceivably on some kind of purely material level, unlike present day electronic computers.
I rather liken the genes to antennaes, with which living organisms create a connection to (quite possibly) their spirit-animal, a species-specific version of something CG Jung calls the collective subconscious.
It is entirely reasonable to expect different peoples, cultures and languages to have their own “cloud storage”; but I’d also assume that it is in principle possible to hook up with that even if you’re an outsider. As always, it’s a good idea to be respectful and nice.
How exactly those clouds look like is of course an intruiging question. But I’m happy to start having meaningful words to approach this terra incognita in a more methodological sense now, not just anecdotically. On of my favourite ones is Lihme, for the “strings of light” that connect us with the Other Side. But since space/time is not as real there at is for us here, being stuck in the shit, we can also imagine this realm as interconnections between noetic beings encountering another in an ever-present now of (pure?) light. The strings are a metaphor that arises only in our time/distance/mass space of extension.
Being alive in this strange world here. Stuck in the slag, I used to say; but stuck in the shit sounds more appropriate. Why are we here?
Mani has an answer. I owe it to the thread. Scorpion also has an answer; it’s stated just above upthread. I’ll quote it here again:

Qualities are non-material experiential quanta.
We live within an experiential continuum self-generating qualia like the perception of three dimensional space in which appear forms etc
Fish, for example, are the eyes of the ocean seeing itself from myriad apparently different locations within the same all-pervasive field of living wakefulness.
Insects and birds help sing this experiential dimension into being, for that is what they do.
Unfortunately too many humans like to turn this paradise into a death-fest of Hell, for that is what hell beings do.
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 18:44 utc | 167

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 24 2024 13:38 utc | 456

Empty your mind… so that you don’t notice that your pockets are empty too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6H6tvVuGgo
Varoufakis’ recent interview on modern capitalism as a global theft of mass destruction.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 24 2024 13:56 utc | 457

persiflo | Feb 24 2024 13:38 utc | 457
Afraid that’s moving a bit far into the world of gods and UFO’s for me. I think we should first learn to understand genetic character which underlies learned character. What we term cultures is learned character and genetic character is what makes each person in a group or culture an individual. No different to facial features, build, skin colour ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 14:06 utc | 458

I suspect folk are taking advantage of AI and posting far too long posts which I am no longer reading here at the open forum. Please don’t do that — better to use links if you have a subject worth discussion. I had a nice short one last night which didn’t post – I expect because I was editing and didn’t do it properly. Sorry about that. I was thanking Norwegian for his ‘procession of the equinoxes’ post by putting the firt few lines of Aeschylus’ “Agamemnon” play. Yes, the ancients studied the stars more than we do today — I’m happy that out where I live we can still see them clearly.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:14 utc | 459

“First few lines”

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:17 utc | 460

Apologies – I have my open forums mixed – my post is there, only on the midweek forum. (retires in embarrassment)

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:31 utc | 461

Hu, now that you’re pointing it out, juliana, I realize the same happened to me. Embarassing perhaps, but less unsettling than an overnight explosion worth 200+ posts on an OT …
That said, I don’t use any AI help for my writing. But I’ll take the hint anyway – yes, it might be a good idea to set up little new moon, to orbit around the same star for now, that can carry the burden of my sometimes highly and overly specialized posts here, plus the ensuing discussions which are very helpful for me in getting me to write longer strings of coherent thought.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 24 2024 16:25 utc | 462