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The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-052
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> On one occasion, a handful of children, all about ages 5 to 8, were carried to the emergency room by their parents. All had single sniper shots to the head. These families were returning to their homes in Khan Yunis, about 2.5 miles away from the hospital, after Israeli tanks had withdrawn. But the snipers apparently stayed behind. None of these children survived. <
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Use as open (not related to Ukraine or Palestine) thread …
@librul, Mark2, Honzo:
I think it’s a wise idea to keep in mind that the institutions which are telling us that “Israel knew!” are known liars. Since this is an assertion that each of you have accepted, prima facile and without any reflection, I’ll ask each of you: don’t you think this may just be an attempt to save face by the intel agencies who want to persuade the gullible public (as in: those fools who believe Palestinans bake babies alive) that US/uk/Israel has been in control all along?
Here are some easily refutable points each of you clearly have accepted, but not considered in any real depth:
A) Israel has infiltrated and “already knew” the Al Qassam Brigades’ plans. This is an assertion asserted by Mossad and obviously backed up by the CIA, and MI-7/GCHQ. Literally, each of you is accepting this claim—which clearly has been “leaked” by US/uk/Israel intelligence services—prima facile, without any consideration that the claim itself may well be a bald-faced lie that is attempting damage control to save face for those agencies in the wake of Oct 7th.
Not least because Mossad is in intense damage-control mode as the Israeli public is outraged by their failure.
And yet, if there is any group on the planet known for mercilessly, tirelessly, and ruthlessly eliminating traitors who might work with the US/uk/Israel trifecta, it is Hamas and Al Qassam. They are as clinical and assiduous in ferreting out spies as the IRA was, back at its height.
B) The reasons for pulling back Israeli troops from the Gaza region could well be any number of things: economic pressures, a planned invasion of Lebanon against Hizb’Allah, etc. In fact, the current shift by the IOF that is reorienting them towards an invasion of Lebanon strongly suggests this was what they were planning before they got blindsided by the Oct 7th attack by Hamas, which has done no small amount of damage: didn’t someone here post 160 Merkavas have been seriously damaged/destroyed?
C) The presumption that the Al Qassam Brigades are riddled with Israeli agents selling out their fellow Gazans is an Israeli propaganda point. There is little evidence to back that up. Case in point: if the Al Qassam Brigades are so compromised by Israeli agents, then why doesn’t Israel know all of the entrances to the tunnels, possess a precise map of their layout, and know which regions need to be militarily targeted? Clearly, this is not the case because Israeli casualties in Gaza have been off-the-charts, in comparison to other Israeli attacks on Gaza.
D) In Re: radio monitoring: see point C). Hamas is likely using encrypted and geographically isolated—as well as metallurgically protected—ground lines for the bulk of their communications. Radios may be being used, but those will be digitally encrypted with a wandering set of cyphers that are double-encoded with crypto-speech; again, there is no reason to believe the Israelis have cracked any of it. Moreover, radio would only be used in real-time tactical military support on the battlefield; Al Qassam would never be so stupid as to use radio to communicate long-term plans or critical meetings. Incidentally, this is the same strategy that helped Hizb’Allah win the 2006 war against the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
All of these entirely plausible—indeed, probable—points made, here, renders every single speculation y’all accept in the following quote entirely irrelevant and wrong:
They decided to stop monitoring Hamas’ hand-held radio network, so they claim.
They had to ignore the alerts being sounded by border watchers.
They had to give a thumbs-down to written reports by intelligence officers
warning of an imminent Oct 7th (this happened!).
They had to ignore that Hamas had been trying to lull them into complacency (this was in writing in the Hamas Oct 7th plans).
They had to remove the vast majority of the IDF troops surrounding Gaza just in time for Oct 7th
Once the jail break was under way support troops had to be delayed for hours. (They refuse to explain
why this happened, stating that they will “investigate” only after Hamas is defeated.)
They had to implement the Hannibal Directive in order to achieve maximum civilian casualties.
Now, I don’t much understand why y’all have accepted and insist on promoting these clearly suspicious presumptions, but I am giving each of you an opportunity to take a step back and admit a failure to grasp the full spectrum of opportunities that are available to Al Qassam—which is the group truly responsible for the Oct 7th attacks. Hamas had nothing to do with the planning, preparations, nor execution of those attacks. The only role Hamas played was in giving the green light once the political situation was suitable for the repercussions that both Hamas and Al Qassam knew would follow.
Hamas’s role in the attacks was strictly as an intermediary among the other regional groups. The Al Qassam plan was likely ordained years ago, and set on the back-burner by Hamas in anticipation of the appropriate political moment.
Now, this…
The confluence of too many huge failures and too many horrible decisions to be credible.
…is truly dismissive of Gazan and Palestinian knowledge, capabilities, and determination. Which I, personally, find detestable in this whole fantasy you each have glommed on to.
No; the incompetence and corruption of the US/uk/Israel triangle of governments, Intel agencies, and militaries has been obviously manifested, both domestically and internationally, every moment of every day, these last 20 years.
Y’all’s presumption that the Palestinians in Gaza are too stupid, weak, and riddled with traitors to be able to exploit that corruption is, frankly, a shameful admission that each of you still believes that despite the rampant corruption and devolution of the “collective West”, each of you continues to believe the Palestinians are more benighted and corrupt, with requires each of you to set aside the prior 70 years of suffering, learning, shrewdness, and imperatively-motivating destitution this noble people has been forced to survive under.
All of which is entirely the consequence of these US/uk/Israel agencies whose word each of you now accepts—even despite each of you knowing the deluge of lies and deceits this collective group has propagated, for so many decades—as if their words, on any subject, can be trusted.
I gotta say, liberal: you do live up to your name. You genuinely do have the attention span of a liberal.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Feb 18 2024 20:25 utc | 26
An amazingly long way to create and attack a strawman. I don’t believe, and I suspect librul agrees with me, that the resistance is weak, cowardly, incompetent or anything else. Hamas is itself divided into two major factions, one of which has distanced itself for some time from the leadership supported by Israel. There is no doubt that they are the ones who prepared the way for this attack and coordinated with other cells. This does not in any way negate the facts that show that Netanyahoo made plans for just this event going back to the creation of Hamas itself. He chose when and how to provoke the attack, he knew how some of it would unfold, but the real resistance element fooled him in to thinking they were weak and Israel would have to bend over backward to give the attack credibility. Which Netanyahoo did. Nutty told us himself on the 8th that Oct 7 was Israel’s 9/11.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 18 2024 20:49 utc | 38
Golly. How many silly, obviously false things can one sincerely pack into a post? I think you’ve won the “Chief Among the Gullible and Historically Uninformed” award & will hold it for at least the next 6pm that.
A) It’s not a “straw man” to say that you, et Al, are denigrating the Gazan’s capabilities. You, et Al, are asserting that the only reason the Oct 7 attack succeeded is because the Israeli government allowed it to.
That’s utter nonsense, with nothing but vague excuses and questionable assertions by the US/uk/Israel intel agencies (all proven, mercenary, conscienceless liars) to offer as “proof”.
Thus, all the conclusions I draw from that assertion are entirely accurate. You et I’ll want to portray the Palestinians as having fallen into a trap. Except the overwhelming overreaction of the IOF—wher it murdered hundreds of its own civilians in abject fear of being overrun—well belies your deeply questionable acceptance of the IOF’s claim that it knew about everything from before the start.
B) Hams is three different allied factions, not two. There are currently no factions “supported by Israel,” nor have there ever been. Israel syrreptitiously supportrd the creation of Hamas, but Hamas has never operated as a tool of Israeli policy. It has always been entirely an independent anti-Israeli force.
C)
This does not in any way negate the facts that show that Netanyahoo made plans for just this event going back to the creation of Hamas itself.
Hamas was formed in 1987. During that period Netanyahu was Israel’s rep to the UN. He was entirely consumed with foreign policy and had nothing to do with administration within Israel or the occupied territories (I.e. domestic ploucy). He didn’t assume a domestic position of power until 1999, when he became chairman of Likud.
Also, the idea that plans for this latest attack were anticipated and planned for by Israel some 41 years ago are a laughable assertion.
D)
He chose when and how to provoke the attack, he knew how some of it would unfold,
Netanyahu may have had a role in the attacks on Al Aqua, but no: there was no Israelis had any idea about how the Resistance would respond—not in terms of time-frame, planning, force concentration, technology…none of it. IFor instance, Israel was entirely unprepared for the extensive use of drones employed. If it had possessed actionable intelligence from within Al Qassam that would not be the case. The IOF has been caught completely flat-footed, and it’s entirely due to Palestinian ingenuity and determination.
E) “Israel’s 9/11” is pure rhetoric. Literally nothing meaningful in terms of fact-based analysis of how and what happened on Oct 7 can be derived from that term. The fact that you think Netanyahu is signaling that Oct 7 was a “false flag” just the same as “9/11 was a false flag” indicates you still have a long way to go in terms of honing your analytical skills when dissecting the obscurities that hide the genuine powers at work behind important events. Nobody really knows what happened on 9/11. There’s a lot of speculation, and there are a lot of facts that contradict the official narrative. Beyond that, there are really no other conclusions to be made beyond the incontrovertible fact that there were neither any Iraqis nor Afghans on either of those planes.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Feb 18 2024 21:40 utc | 53
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