Peinlich
The daily embarrassment about the current government of Germany has reached a new level.
German Embassy London @GermanEmbassy - 15:24 UTC · Feb 28, 2024German frigate FGS Hessen, part of the EU-led defensive maritime security operation EUNAVFOR Aspides in the Red Sea, shot down two drones yesterday.
Pic: FGS Hessen
Disclose.tv @disclosetv - 16:34 UTC · Feb 28, 2024JUST IN - German frigate "Hessen" mistakenly fired at a U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Red Sea on Monday; both missiles malfunctioned and fell into the sea — BILD
Such happens to ones defense forces when consecutive governments prioritize the support of imperial adventures on the other side of the planet over serious territorial self defense capabilities.
Posted by b on February 28, 2024 at 17:08 UTC | Permalink
next page »Actually its not "peinlich".
It just shows that american air defence missiles won't hit american air targets.
I think it is by design and not by malfunction.
Posted by: HEL | Feb 28 2024 17:18 utc | 2
What's more embarrassing, your SAMs malfunction falling into the sea or you accidentally shoot down a friendly multimillion dollar drone. My guess, the SAMs have a disarm control.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 28 2024 17:20 utc | 3
Here is the good news : It would have been more embarrassing if they had shot them down.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2024 17:31 utc | 4
It gets worse. Part of the ammo used on the ship is no longer available or being made so if what they have is spent the ship will go home.
"...ein Teil der Munition der Fregatte ,Hessen’ nicht mehr nachzubeschaffen ist, weil es die entsprechende industrielle Kapazität nicht mehr gibt“, so der Politiker ...
„Wenn die Bestände also leer geschossen sind, kann die Marine sie nicht mehr nachfüllen – und muss die Fregatte abziehen“
Posted by: Steve | Feb 28 2024 17:34 utc | 5
I now understand why my German friends get all up tight and uncomfortable when their country is being discussed. Actually, rather pleasing for a Frenchman to watch. "Deutschland über alles" ist jetzt vorbei :-)
Posted by: Shahmaran | Feb 28 2024 17:34 utc | 6
The Germans were very shy. They couldn't ask what the Americans were doing there.
Posted by: CIROC | Feb 28 2024 17:36 utc | 7
Disarm makes some sense but if it were by design, the price of American drones just went up on the black market. Seems a likely disaster to manufacture something that if gets in enemy hands one would have made their own defenses powerless.
Posted by: WG | Feb 28 2024 17:37 utc | 8
I had to go look peinlich up
embarrassing
peinlich, beschämend, unangenehm, genierlich, fatal, prekär
painful
schmerzhaft, schmerzlich, peinlich, schmerzvoll, qualvoll, unangenehm
awkward
umständlich, unbeholfen, ungeschickt, peinlich, unangenehm, schwierig
I will go with all of the above. Germany is a strange colony of empire and the cognitive dissonance therein is off the charts as shown by the actions of the government.
I keep reading snippets about Germany trying to break out of this stranglehold but, like America, the opportunity will be provided by external pressures ....the China/Russia axis
Such interesting times....
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2024 17:38 utc | 9
IMO even more embarrassing, from the same piece of news:
"We only now found out, after asking, that apparently part of [the ship's] ammunition can't be procured anymore, as there isn't any appropriate production capacity left. (...) So when the ship's stock has been emptied, the navy can't replenish, and will have to withdraw the fregate."
-- Florian Hahn, German MP, speaker for defense of the CSU party.
Source (in German): https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/einsatz-im-roten-meer-fregatte-hessen-schiesst-irrtuemlich-auf-verbuendete-drohne-19551934.html
Posted by: A.G. | Feb 28 2024 17:39 utc | 10
Posted by: alek_a | Feb 28 2024 17:42 utc | 12
I'd wager that even with a collection of mind altering substances putting Raul Duke's to shame one would be hard pressed to come up with such a skit.
Posted by: kspr | Feb 28 2024 17:45 utc | 12
Well where in Europe can we be proud of our politicians, the policies they pursue, the state of our economies or the health of our morals and culture ?
France does not look good but at least you are protesting about it. That you can be happier about. Here in Germany we believe literally anything spewed by the MSM....
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Feb 28 2024 17:46 utc | 13
Even forty years ago -- when I served US in their weapon-selling companies in Irân during the times of the Shahanshah Pahlavih -- these sorts of mishaps happened in the Persian Gulf. But always got hush-upped. We saw them down in real-time, but no-one racted, because this was told by us by aur US/Brit leades´rship were just "Mish-haps" then (in 1976-78). The truth came out trhru US support for Saddam's attacks on Iränlater on
By the way: During my stay in Shah-Irân. I also met Isrraëly specialists in torture. One of them killed himself while still in that country (Irân) . One other performed a spectacular scuiside after returnin to the Israëli part of Palestine.
Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Feb 28 2024 17:47 utc | 14
Actually its not "peinlich".
It just shows that american air defence missiles won't hit american air targets.
I think it is by design and not by malfunction.
Posted by: HEL | Feb 28 2024 17:18 utc | 2
And that could be the reason, why Erdogan buys Russian air defense -
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 28 2024 17:47 utc | 15
The Collective Waste is fighting in the Red Sea against each other. Other AI 'tactical' weapons experiment like in Ukraine and Gaza.
Posted by: AI | Feb 28 2024 17:54 utc | 16
Note - German military budget at ~€80 billion is close to that of RF at ~€100 billion.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 28 2024 17:55 utc | 17
NATO Missiles. Everybody gets em at cost plus.
When the story ain't right, make up a new story.
We make our own history and when we don't like it we revise it again and again.
- Karl Rover
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 28 2024 17:56 utc | 18
Posted by: HEL | Feb 28 2024 17:18 utc | 2
If it was "not embarrassing", if it was "by design and not by malfunction" as in "it just shows that american air defence missiles won't hit american air targets" -- would a not-embarrassing, well-working system not abort the launch rather than let the missile be wasted uselessly?
Posted by: A.G. | Feb 28 2024 17:57 utc | 19
Us, as everyone else in war, has a long track record of ff incidents so, no it was not by design.
Posted by: Mario | Feb 28 2024 18:02 utc | 20
thanks b... i wish you'd write more often on the insanity that presently fills in for germany...
Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 18:09 utc | 21
In 2015, when the German army was under the leadership the infamous, inglorious Ursula von der Leyen they wanted to take part in an international maneuver. The problem: they had no fitting gun barrels for their tanks. Solution: they used painted broomsticks instead. 😂
Posted by: Jinpa | Feb 28 2024 18:12 utc | 22
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-apr-21-war-patriot21-story.html 2 minutes to find this tidbit.
The idea of US weapons and Nato weapons not "being able" to shoot down other allied weapons is wrong as proved during Dessert Storm 2 and the pilots KIAed. One US and one British aircraft. The POS Patriot couldn't hit a scud but could certainly kill one of its own.
Posted by: Tmike | Feb 28 2024 18:20 utc | 23
"Peinlich" is usually meant like "embarrassing".
Peinlich=Painful is very old german. Todays generation usually does not know about this outdated meaning. In the era of when "witches" were brought to court, there was the "peinliche Befragung" - painful interrogation, i. e. torture as a legitimate tool.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2024 17:38 utc | 10
Posted by: Tortuosit | Feb 28 2024 18:22 utc | 24
WMG | Feb 28 2024 18:18 utc | 24
Ansarullah is denying this.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 28 2024 18:26 utc | 25
The missiles have the inbuilt ROIC (return on invested capital) add-on, which guarantees new orders from US MIC at certain intervals. The ROIC-addon is an additional benefit resulting from increasingly the worlds best US quality control.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2024 18:27 utc | 26
@Tortuosit | Feb 28 2024 18:22 utc | 26
"Peinlich" is usually meant like "embarrassing".Same word as "Pinlig" in Norwegian, which means "embarrassing".
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2024 18:32 utc | 27
German Embassy London @GermanEmbassy - 15:24 UTC · Feb 28, 2024
???
Why German Embassy? in London ?
How does this work normally?
the FGS Hessen send a SOS or a wish for help to Rishi Sunak?
Hi Rishi a MQ-9 Reaper have my ship in the crosshairs and Ramstein/Pentagon ignore me here... we are allied and the most best friends
or is it the MQ-9,
Hi Rishi Sunak, the German shot us again, maybe the are allied with the Huthis.
Now it is Februar, 70 yaers later, you can fly to Germany again? Maybe some from the old time have time for a short trip ...
Posted by: theo | Feb 28 2024 18:35 utc | 28
A small and discrete German contribution to world peace. Of course, it would be better if Germany openly sided with Huthis and against the murderous practices of Israel, but changes in Germany tend to be gradual. Characteristically, UK made its own small steps first: immobilizing aircraft carriers, pretending that Trident does not work, but scoring a direct "friendly hit" raises passive resistance to the next level.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 28 2024 18:37 utc | 29
Are you in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing with the wrong (U.S.) sort of people?
Are you beginning to choke, or even gag? Panicking?
Try The 'Peinlich' manoeuvre, and your discomfort will be over.
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Feb 28 2024 18:46 utc | 31
I have just bought a set of five History of England 1640 to 1750 by eminent Scottish writer Tobias Smollett. His satirical sense of humour got the better of him when serving in the navy as a surgeon and he criticised the admiral for making mistakes causing over 9000 British
casualties. He was sued for libel and spent three months in prison.
He started writing history instead of cheeky novels to recoup his finances.
Just saying.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 28 2024 18:49 utc | 32
any news about the Houthis cutting data cables in the red sea ?
Posted by: WMG | Feb 28 2024 18:18 utc | 24
Reuters doesn't cover it, i.e. it shouldn't appear in German mainstream media. It's that simple for us. This is the system we are supposed to trust.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 28 2024 18:51 utc | 33
There is, to be sure, something sad, even 80 years later, about Germany's situation. And yet, while it took 250 years to get out from under the catastrophe of the Thirty Years War, in the course of the process German thought established itself as the most powerful mode of critical inquiry—Romanticism, Kant, Hegel to Marx, Nietzsche and beyond—in opposition to the French Enlightenment as Die Aufklärung. It may be that, once again, in the abjectness of Germany's post-war malaise, it will be in its thought and philosophy that Germany's challenge will be offered. I for one, wish that it would be so, and hope too that Germany attains once again its rightful position in Europe. I believe Putin hopes for it too and that this time round perhaps Russia and Germany could represent the possibilities of a strong Ost-Europa. America must be evicted from Europe and the undermining of its culture through immigration, wokism and neoliberalism must be reversed. Dangerous talk I know, but what else is to be done? Let Kant tell us:
Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 34
Die Schaumweinsteuer bei der Arbeit! OMG!
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schaumweinsteuer
Posted by: Wolle | Feb 28 2024 19:18 utc | 35
After having owned a few pieces of "German Engineering" I can safely say that they can't engineer an electrical system to save their lives.
Posted by: liveload | Feb 28 2024 19:27 utc | 37
Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 18:09 utc | 22
Same here. Before I always admired how b did not write about this. That changed for me. The situation in Germany is potentially very sad. There is now a strong bloc in society positiv about war. In the same time there is no own potential for winning one.
Forefront of German problem is economy. The business model is for a period of years not competitive. If Germany is out of free cash flow the EU will degrade up to the point of dissolution.
Interesting for me is a discussion how it could happen that the country after reunification dissolved from a self confident to an unsecure character?
Posted by: rico rose | Feb 28 2024 19:30 utc | 38
@WMG | Feb 28 2024 18:18 utc | 24
Houtis have denied attacking any cables
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 28 2024 19:34 utc | 39
Performance theater from the Germans.
Germans: Look at us, we’re helping out the coalition of the willing, gonna make those Houthis quake in their flip-flops!
Reality: you suck! Go home and stick to dismantling your industry for the sake of your Patron.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 28 2024 20:08 utc | 40
Aww... :( Germany has been turned into the gimped pierrot, the sad whore-clown. :(
Maybe USA isn't really your friend, Germany? :) But that cannot be! You all are so stunning and brave, on the right side of history even! :) Keep bathing less, eating less, and freezing your ass at home in the dark for Ukrainian victory. Poverty sharpens the senses, you might learn whether who governs you really likes you.
;) Say it: "Olaf Schultz fights for me! The Greens fight for me!" Repeat it like you mean it! ;)
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 28 2024 20:08 utc | 41
@Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 36
Kant: Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-inflicted immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without the guidance of another.
On his way up from Plato's Cave I'm sure Dostoevsky would have agreed!- but today the vast majority of Germans, and other Europeans, all stuck below in Plato's cave supinely tuned to the MSM and failing to take their eyes off their smart-phones and ... er ....
... step up the ladder to Enlightenment and look around at reality!
I have long admired great German thought - but today ... very few have escaped from the cave. Sad.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 28 2024 20:12 utc | 42
So that's the Bundeswehr as I know it.
In my basic training, gloves and camouflage cream were issued, used and then withdrawn because of the risk of cancer.
@b Perhaps your expectations are too high.
Budism advises here: Halve your expectations and double your satisfaction.
"
Inspector Marine
Kaack: "Since we're going into a fierce battle there, as you have to assume from everything you see there, only a unit, a ship that can assert itself in terms of its armament and whose crew is 100 per cent trained to deal with this threat comes into question. The frigate "Hessen", which we have selected, is prepared for this. She is our gold standard, so to speak, if I may put it that way. She comes from the active command of a Very High Readiness Joint Task Force Maritime. What makes her special is that her radar systems and weapons are optimised for just such an eventuality. It has systems on board that have a range of around 400 kilometres and can therefore pick up even the smallest contacts." And in a thoughtful tone: "It will be the most serious deployment of the German Navy since then." The depressed mood and gloomy expressions on the pier in Wilhelmshaven at the farewell underlined this statement all too clearly!
"
https://marineforum.online/rotes-meer-und-eunavfor-aspides-fregatte-hessen-ausgelaufen/
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
Posted by: 600w | Feb 28 2024 20:22 utc | 43
Take away the US Empire, and Germany would have no serious secutity concerns.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 28 2024 20:34 utc | 45
Interesting for me is a discussion how it could happen that the country after reunification dissolved from a self confident to an unsecure character?
Posted by: rico rose | Feb 28 2024 19:30 utc | 40
Good question. But firstly this is a psychological and not a political question, and I'm not sure if MoA is the right place to discuss psychology.
And secondly it's a question which can't be considered independently from the general moral decline of the west.
Anyway, I would be generally interested to discuss it - however I have to get to bed in 20 minutes to help save what's left of the German economy tomorrow morning.
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 28 2024 20:38 utc | 46
@ rico rose | Feb 28 2024 19:30 utc | 40
thanks.. it amazes me how far germany has fallen and i can't understand the psychology at work with the german people, other then to quickly think they suffer from some form of historical collective guilt to allow themselves to be led by the nose, thanks usa-nato and etc. etc.. collective amnesia maybe?? it is hard to understand for me..
here is the translation from @ 36 patroklos quote of kant.. thanks patrolklos!
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-inflicted immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without the guidance of another."
Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 20:39 utc | 47
@ Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 28 2024 20:38 utc | 48
i think it is a good place to discuss psychology, in particular the german psychology that has led to this aberration of reality on the part of the collective german people... what explains it?
Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 20:40 utc | 48
"Deutschland! NATO
Dein Atem kalt,
so jung und doch so alt"
The dashing frigate fires its salvo
Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann...and run... out of missiles.
***
The super duper submarine fails to fire its own.
Look / If you had / One shot
Or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
In one moment
Would you capture it
Or just let it slip?
***
The mighty aircraft carrier breaks down on leaving port.
Let her go, let her go, god damn her!
Wherever she may be;
She can look this whole world over
But she'll never find a man like me
***
The indestructible Abrams joined the BigCat at the grill party.
"Deutschland!
Mein Herz in Flammen
will dich lieben und verdammen"
***
And Emmanuel thinks he's Buonaparte at Arcole. But just making pyramids in the sandbox
Gib mir die Hand
Ich bau dir ein Schloss aus Sand
Irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann
Die Zeit ist reif, für ein bisschen Zärtlichkeit
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 20:42 utc | 49
Wrt b writing more about Germany - it is probably quite depressing for him and would take an extra toll. Take care of yourself b!!
Posted by: Rae | Feb 28 2024 20:42 utc | 50
obviously propaganda works and it is alive and well in germany... that would be part of it.. how does germany come up with a fanatic like baerbock, or a stooge like sholtz? what is in the german psychology to put these people at the front of the line?? granted, it is not much better here in canada with trudeau, freeland and etc.. i give you that!!!
Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 20:42 utc | 51
@ 600w #45
"She is our gold standard, so to speak"
The notion of a gold standard probably refers to the weight of gold needed to finance its construction and use.
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 20:48 utc | 52
@ Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 36
Kant's essay merits two cheers; the third has to be withheld because of the circumstances under which he wrote. Behind his positing Frederick the Great as the enlightened monarch par excellence (the last two paragraphs of the essay are, to modern ears at least, appallingly obsequious) is a plea for him to be just that, and to allow his people to strive toward enlightenment. Thus he can put in the mouth of his ideal monarch the words "Räsonniert, so viel ihr wollt, und worüber ihr wollt; aber gehorcht!" -- because the enlightened monarch would never demand that his people obey an unenlightened order. It also follows that the enlightened monarch verges on being a precondition for the enlightenment of the people, rather than someone who can be enlightened or subject to enlightenment himself. Kant, after all, had no desire to be subversive. (He would subsequently express some sympathy for at least the ideals of the French Revolution, if only privately -- standard use of the term "private", not Kant's!)
It's easy to see how easily the Kantian house of cards collapses. In an attempt to keep this from happening before the end of the second page of his essay, Kant posits a dichotomy between "public" and "private" exercise of reason by the subjects of -- let's face it -- an absolute monarch. The former is the free exercise of reason, but only by a "Gelehrter" and only in a theoretical context; the latter is little more than "shut up and do as you're told" in the context of fulfilling one's duties. Thus the dichotomy is not only arbitrary but does not exist in real life, as there is no sharp delineation between the "public" and "private" spheres, especially in an absolute monarchy, however "enlightened", and of course the less- or non-enlightened don't count anyway. And just to be safe, Kant ends up advocating for "ein Grad weniger von [bürgerlicher Freiheit]!" -- reason being paradoxically best exercised when freedom is restricted.
Kant doesn't deal with the possibility of considering what "enlightenment" would be under a less than enlightened monarch -- would criticism of the monarch be justified? would enlightenment of the people be precluded? One sees the limits Kant set upon himself in his exercise of "public reason", especially because he devotes most of his essay, as he himself admits, to a consideration of what a pastor should say to his flock!
This is all, I imagine, music to Scorpion's and LoveDonbass's ears. Myself, I'm much more a fan of "Friede den Hütten, Krieg den Palästen!"
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 28 2024 20:49 utc | 53
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Feb 28 2024 18:46 utc | 33
How dare you make me laugh out loud?! (Thanks. I needed that.)
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 28 2024 20:52 utc | 54
A snippet I got from the Slavyangrad TG channel:
"[...]Pistorius like Scholz is a sitzpinkler (man who sits down while he pees), because much like the German missiles their piss would miss the mark."
Love those compound German words.
Posted by: expat | Feb 28 2024 20:54 utc | 55
And Emmanuel thinks he's Buonaparte at Arcole. But just making pyramids in the sandbox.
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 20:42 utc | 51
Great post.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 21:13 utc | 56
Never interrupt your enemy…
What is more embarrassing?
Targeting or failing to hit?
I’d be tearing a strip of the German navy command for being crap! Imagine if it was a real war!
🤡
'vorsprung durch technik'
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 28 2024 21:17 utc | 57
Take away the US Empire, and Germany would have no serious secutity concerns.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Feb 28 2024 20:34 utc | 47
And Germany would have its best friends in Russia, Iran and China. But that's not possible because losers have to obey.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Feb 28 2024 21:26 utc | 58
Maybe USA isn't really your friend, Germany? :)
True, and the SPD (or at least Olaf) knows it.
We ( Germany, EU ) have a massive issue with US 5th column personell in high positions. ( vdLeyen, Baerbock, Merz, CDU*, Borel, ..... )
they are like a cancer, remove the cancer kill the patient.
and a large part of the population does not get it.
I could scream!
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 28 2024 21:40 utc | 59
That's a big lag in friend foe tag machine. Lol. Who knows the truth , it won't be what's printed that's for sure
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 28 2024 21:46 utc | 60
Interesting for me is a discussion how it could happen that the country after reunification dissolved from a self confident to an unsecure character? Posted by: rico rose | Feb 28 2024 19:30 utc | 40
"Dissolved"...Nope.
The situation and the German economy after reunification were quite positive. Within the framework of a capitalist, social market economy.
Until 2020
In 2016, Germany recorded the highest trade surplus in the world, worth $310 billion. This economic result made it the biggest capital exporter globally. Germany is one of the largest exporters globally with $1.81 trillion worth of goods and services exported in 2019.
The service sector contributes around 70% of the total GDP, industry 29.1%, and agriculture 0.9%.
Exports accounted for 50.3% of national output. The top 10 exports of Germany are vehicles, machinery, chemical goods, electronic products, electrical equipment, pharmaceuticals, transport equipment, basic metals, food products, and rubber and plastics.
The economy of Germany is the largest manufacturing economy in Europe, and it is less likely to be affected by a financial downturn.
Helmut Kohl, Gerard Schröder and finally Angela Merkel, for 30 years German policy has been consistent towards Russia.
A strategic economic partnership from which both sides (if Putin is to be believed) hoped for a geostrategic rapprochement.
It was clear from the early 2000s that this rapprochement between Russia and Western Europe was not desired in Washington.
The German CDU & SPD have been infiltrated by committed Atlanticists, and the Greens have done so in an extraordinary way.
In military terms, Germany had no need for modernization. It was merely an industrial activity for peripheral countries. No one ever envisaged fighting anyone outside Germany (it was forbidden by the German constitution), least of all Russia (very bad memories and a surrender agreement in 1945 in Potsdam that is still in force for the Russians).
***
The decision to give up coal "for ecological reasons", then nuclear power for safety reasons (which I consider reasonable), then the development of supposedly renewable but above all intermittent energies has increased dependence on Russian gas to gigantic proportions.
Which wasn't a technical, financial or political problem...
Nord Stream 1, launched in the early 2000s, has delivered 55 bcm/year since 2011. NS2 was subsequently launched.
Russia was in a position to deliver all the energy Germany would need.
The strong point was also the weak point.
Nord Stream exploded, there will be no investigation, and Germany is back to what it always was: a technical and industrial giant in need of energy.
It was the problem in 1914, it was the problem in 1941, it's the problem again, but now Germany is under trusteeship.
As Epstein, Germany didn't commit suicide
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 21:48 utc | 61
gave me a good laugh today
https://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1762895380994216358
Baron of the Taiga @baronitaigas
> Shipping still massively disrupted
> Cables snipped
> Rubymar looking like the Titanic
> British navy can't get propellers right
> German vessel accidentally fires at a Reaper drone, but both missiles fail anyway
Operation Prosperity Guardian is a clownshow
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 28 2024 21:59 utc | 62
Dima speculated an interesting possible reason for EU troops in West Ukraine, tied-in to Poland's ongoing border restrictions of everything flowing east to west across it.
He figures: If Russia is going to sometime advance into Kharkiv, Odessa and elsewhere, there will be millions of anti-Russian Ukie migrants making a rush towards the EU ... which, as we know, is sick to death of those slimeballs. So, with Poland and France and Germany and the other "security agreements", perhaps non-fighting EU border security is the concept Macron was foreshadowing. Of course the EU can't say they're doing it to corral the Banderites and social climbers.! They're saying it is to "block Russia attacking Europe" ... [eye roll]. It might be that NATO is, behind the scenes, greenlighting a sort of EU Coalition Army which is not bound by NATO rules and doesnt LOOK LIKE it is declaring war on Russia. Imo, the so-called security agreements are just flexi-docs to be used however the mood flows.
Plus, with the present Transnistria-Moldova tension, EU countries have multiple reasons to slip boots into Ukraine without a big hoo-ha, all to thwart Russia moving to protect PMR.
Plus, as some think, the current NATO exercises (Jan-May) are readiness against Russia moving towards Odessa. The Black Sea coast is precious to the US, so expect them to defend it anyway they can.
Conclusion: This SMO/war is far, far from over. People seem to ignore that Ukr still has 300k-500k troops in the field; another 500k it wants to mobilise; innumerable ground and some ammo; some planes; lots of allies ISR; lots of NATO helpers; lots of FPVs; and, worst of all, an intractable fantasy to win. So, lots of little falling villages in the Donbass DOES NOT signal the end is near for Ukraine nor happy days yet for Moscow.
Please everyone, stop thinking the end for Ukraine is just one more fallen stronghold away. There's still a LOT MORE demilitarisation to go.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 28 2024 22:00 utc | 63
Ooops, edit in #65
" .... innumerable ground weapons and some ammo; .... "
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 28 2024 22:06 utc | 64
@La Bastille(#51): OMG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc
Posted by: Wolle | Feb 28 2024 22:22 utc | 65
Well don't feel too bad about the inept German government, the Australian government whilst warning about a naval war with China, firstly ordered billions in artillery and tanks and then cancelled the contract for new submarines.
Stupidity and inability to perform even basic government functions is a feature of current western politicians, not an aberration.
Posted by: Organic | Feb 28 2024 22:59 utc | 66
"Missing" will hereafter be known as the Peinlich Maneuver.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 28 2024 23:05 utc | 67
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 21:48 utc | 63:
Helmut Kohl, Gerard Schröder and finally Angela Merkel, for 30 years German policy has been consistent towards Russia.
I don't know about Angela. She lied to Russia about Minsk Agreements. Besides, I've always seen her as a puppy of the Yanks. I do agree with the other two you listed. Before them, I would add Willy Brant and Helmut Schmidt as capable leaders with both brain as spine as Kohl and Schroder obviously did.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 28 2024 23:07 utc | 68
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 36
I for one, wish that it would be so, and hope too that Germany attains once again its rightful position in Europe. I believe Putin hopes for it too and that this time round perhaps Russia and Germany could represent the possibilities of a strong Ost-Europa. America must be evicted from Europe and the undermining of its culture through immigration, wokism and neoliberalism must be reversed. Dangerous talk I know, but what else is to be done? Let Kant tell us:Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen.
[Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-inflicted immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without the guidance of another.]
Hear Hear, Bravo!
Dugin is calling for a 'Fourth Political Theory' to replace the liberalism which prevailed over communism and fascism, all three having taken over from whatever remained of feudalism and its various aristocratic institutions in Church, Crown and Society at large. The challenge seems to involve how to return to some sort of traditional societal solidarity, including a sense of loyalty and shared sense of the sacred, without reverting to now out-dated religious doctrines and ritual. To do this the society has to rediscover its bedrock character whilst finding ways to reflect and promulgate the same in new, fresh and ever-evolving ways. Can Germany do such a thing? Maybe once Russia completes the transition, which Dugin believes the ongoing war will help fashion from the forge of braving conflict and sacrifice, Germany will be inspired to follow suit.
Germany, not Russia, is the natural bridge between East and West, for Germany resonates within Britain and France quite naturally, and also, I suspect, within traditional Russia. They are also fully ready to face East as a dynamic, valuable part of the ongoing Eurasian civilizational rise.
There is so much positive potential right now in the midst of so much ghastly blundering and heart-rending sacrifice of life and limb. Let us hope and pray such blood sacrifice will help germinate the seeds of a better future.
This tidbit of news would make any Kriegsmarine veteran puke. When will Germany stop playing the fool?
Posted by: OldFart | Feb 29 2024 0:12 utc | 70
"Missing" will hereafter be known as the Peinlich Maneuver.
@Posted by: Honzo | Feb 28 2024 23:05 utc | 69
“"Missing" will hereafter be known as the Peinlich Maneuver.”
👏👏👏
Boom. Boom. You win! I spitted my bed time cocoa
I thought I had it with my ‘vorsprung DORK technik'’.
I bow before a greater wit. More please.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 29 2024 0:17 utc | 71
The apparent incompetence of the German military is actually a very good thing - and it is very much possible that it is deliberate. Not everyone in Germany wants to die for the empire.
Posted by: abc | Feb 29 2024 0:45 utc | 72
Patroklos @ 36:
"... I for one, wish that it would be so, and hope too that Germany attains once again its rightful position in Europe ..."
Could you explain what you see as Germany's "rightful position" in Europe?
What some may see as Germany's "rightful position", others may see as being (at the very least) disadvantageous for Germany's near and not-so near neighbours, and at most even catastrophic. The post-1945 relationship between Germany and Mediterranean Europe, in which Germany drew skilled workers from those countries to work in its industries and exported manufactured goods to them (thereby stymieing development in those nations and making them dependent on tourism or raw commodities as exports), was not necessarily an ideal one for all parties involved.
Germany consistently exporting more than it imported might have produced balance of payments results that flattered its politicians but over the years (decades even) this would have led to its workers having a lesser quality of life than they were entitled to, and the nation's resources draining (even if bit by bit) outside its borders.
Also Germany's "rightful place" in Europe surely implies other nations in Europe (particularly France) must also have their "rightful place". But what if their "rightful place" conflicts with Germany's "rightful place" - because their national interests intersect with those of Germany?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 29 2024 1:18 utc | 73
) Smoking Hot Rockets are waiting for you on board the Hessia
Girls probably not, but boatswain Meier has a renown collection of erotic literature, especially some vintage "Sexplosiv" magazines found hidden among the bibles of late president (Bundespräsident) Johannes Rau.
Posted by: Cetzer | Feb 29 2024 1:25 utc | 74
@ La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 21:48 utc | 63
good post, although i agree with oriental voice on the issue of merkel.. otherwise - good post! thanks..
Posted by: james | Feb 29 2024 1:44 utc | 75
Hey Cetzer - you try a 3 month Westpac deployment without some "spanking material"... Just saying...
Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Feb 29 2024 2:43 utc | 76
Why does everybody keep shooting down their own shit?
Russia's problem is their missiles actually work. Jets are expensive.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 29 2024 4:08 utc | 77
The POS Patriot couldn't hit a scud but could certainly kill one of its own.
The Patriot is a good system with excellent radar. The Block 2 deployed in Iraq is designed against aircraft, which is why it could take out the jets. The fact that it hit ANY SCUD is a testament to its radar. Block 3 is anti-ballistic missile defense like the Iskandar, which it hits. Very low kill prob against Dagger (0%?). Not great for low flying drones and cruise missiles. NASAMs are much better drone killers.
Even Russia uses Pansiers against storm shadows instead of S-400.
Russian layered air defense is the best. Patriots with NASAM, IRIS/T, and the German radar guided gun are decent.
Posted by: JackG | Feb 29 2024 4:14 utc | 78
@ Wolle | Feb 28 2024 22:22 utc | 67
@La Bastille(#51): OMG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc
That's it.
I just finished writing my response to James, OrientalVoice, Patrokolos but it's very long.
And the Rammstein song explains everything. I have always found that Song admirable in every way.
For those who do not speak German, a first understanding is possible https://affenknecht.com/lyrics/deutschland/
Lyrics with Englisch translation available here.
But watching the video is a must.
Thanks for providing the link for those who didn't know.
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 29 2024 5:19 utc | 79
La Bastille,
Could you give a 3 sentence explaination of that 9 minute Rammstein video ? 300+ million views.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 29 2024 5:49 utc | 80
Hot girls are waiting for you on ----- http://tinyurl.com/mr3bv6hjPosted by: Miona | Feb 28 2024 17:26 utc | 4
This is a welcome change from all the political dialogue we get here. Personally I am partial to a Hot Girl, but I want to check they are not contaminated.
Unfortunately many 'Hot Girls' are zionist freaks: I hope you have checked these girls aren't IDF with a penchant for shooting children in the head? Burning down hospitals? Starving grannies?
Sorry, I just wouldn't want that sort of 'Hot Girl'.
What about Hot UkroNazi Babes? There's nothing worse than undressing a woman and finding she's got a tattoo of Stepan Bandera or a Wolfsangel on her butt. That would be a passion killer for me, never mind the ordinary sort of killer as too many of those Ukranians are.
Hope you can ensure that no fascistic murdering swine are among your harem or brothel, whatever kind of scam it is. The patrons of this bar are quite discerning in this matter, so you may be not reaching the right audience.
Best of luck!
Posted by: JulianJ | Feb 29 2024 6:38 utc | 81
i think it is a good place to discuss psychology, in particular the german psychology that has led to this aberration of reality on the part of the collective german people... what explains it?Posted by: james | Feb 28 2024 20:40 utc | 50
Well..okay, where to begin? Unfortunately I have - because of familiy - little time to discuss online, let alone in the kind of depth this topic deserves. But I'll try.
The short explanation: Like a depressive person, the Germans see no reason to live. Life (as a nation) is futile to them. In addition, they have a gigantic guilt complex, because of the past. These phenomena are virulent in almost all western societies, but nowhere as bad as in Germany.
The longer (but not long enough) explanation:
I'm very interested in Jungian psychology and I think the "reason to live" problem is best described in it's terms. To quote Jung "Humanity has always lived in the myth. Today we think we can live without any myth. This is a disease."
According to Jung the "collective unconscious" (the part of the unconscious one is born with; common to all humans) is projected outwards as religion and myth. Rituals and symbols are ways to interact with it. If you ignore the collective unconscious you become neurotic.
As Nietzsche put it: God is dead. We killed him and we will never find enough water to wash the blood of our hands.
Or as the canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson put it: The baseline of life is suffering. And if you don't put a story against this suffering, you have no reason to live.
There's a short Youtube-Interview, where he explains it quite nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephOuAAVaXY
(Please don't let you get scared off by Petersons political sermons or his reputation as a right-wing extremist; I think he is still a fine psychologist)
Many countries have at least some kind of a founding myth. Some positive narrative about their nation. "America, the land of the brave and the free", etc., pp.
Germans have no such thing (anymore).
They have only a negative myth. I addition many Germans know nothing about their history. My wife is the best example. Although she's quite intelligent, she didn't grew up in a very educated family. So, the only thing she knows about politics and history she knows from school (and now, of course, from me).
And to quote her: "According to school, in 1914 Germany plopped into existence from thin air and started a World War."
That's an apt description of most peoples historical knowledge.
And many Germans would do anything to prove that they are the "good guys" for once.
The Austrian author Franz Werfel described this very nicely in his novel "Stern der Ungeborenen" which he wrote already during WW2. I will give you a quote next time, but now I have to come to a close.
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 7:30 utc | 82
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 29 2024 1:18 utc | 75
I guess as a leader intellectually, along with France, Russia, etc, rather than just a passive Atlanticist stooge. I didn't mean dominating others, economically or militarily. 'Rightful place' as one of the powerhouses of the European tradition.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 29 2024 7:41 utc | 83
This thread comprises a fascinating discussion (I kant believe it!) of Germany's truncated national self-esteem. Diana Johnstone describes the sacred status of the Shoah in France:
As I wrote in my book Circle in the Darkness, heresy defines religion. A French citizen can deny the existence of Napoleon, or any other historic event, but any questioning of the official version of the Shoah is blasphemy. Thus by sacralizing a unique historic event, the Gayssot law in effect established the Shoah as a state religion.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/02/11/diana-johnstone-genocide-meets-french-devotion-to-israel/
Exceptional Shoah veneration motivates laws against such blasphemy in Germany, as well.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 29 2024 8:10 utc | 84
Bahahaha is this the famous German Engineering Wonders? :D
Posted by: Macpott | Feb 29 2024 9:02 utc | 85
Maybe USA isn't really your friend, Germany? :)True, and the SPD (or at least Olaf) knows it.
We ( Germany, EU ) have a massive issue with US 5th column personell in high positions. ( vdLeyen, Baerbock, Merz, CDU*, Borel, ..... )
they are like a cancer, remove the cancer kill the patient.
and a large part of the population does not get it.
I could scream!
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 28 2024 21:40 utc | 61I just want to say I do feel bad for the German people. Yes, even the large part of the population that has bought into the propaganda. I wish my verbal barbs could wake them up from how foolish they are behaving, but alas there appears much confusion and little streetwise in them. I should be thankful I do not live there or I'd be arrested for trying to shake them from stupor and slap sense into them... or I'd really hurt their feelings by losing control and calling them 'stupid'. :_(
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 29 2024 9:20 utc | 86
Bahahaha is this the famous German Engineering Wonders? :D
Posted by: Macpott | Feb 29 2024 9:02 utc | 87
referencing the German Navy "shootout"
Not taking down the reaper drone may be caused by a "burried" IFF feature?
( afaik Hessen sports the US canister launch system )
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 29 2024 11:25 utc | 87
Scorpion "The challenge seems to involve how to return to some sort of traditional societal solidarity, including a sense of loyalty and shared sense of the sacred, without reverting to now out-dated religious doctrines and ritual. To do this the society has to rediscover its bedrock character whilst finding ways to reflect and promulgate the same in new, fresh and ever-evolving ways. Can Germany do such a thing? Maybe once Russia completes the transition, which Dugin believes the ongoing war will help fashion from the forge of braving conflict and sacrifice, Germany will be inspired to follow suit."
In Muslim societies, solidarity is everywhere imo because the gift/counter-gift system has remained (from times where complementarity was needed between the urbans and the pastors) and is actually much stronger than Shari'a. Mauss, Orwell, Michéa have been exploring its roots in traditional societies and its lack in the Western ones. Probably McGilchrist would say that over-using the left hemisphere has resulted in its dismissal (which I can witness especially in Anglo-Saxon/Nordic societies where giving or helping can be seen as a dumb or interested act).
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 29 2024 12:03 utc | 88
There is, to be sure, something sad, even 80 years later, about Germany's situation. And yet, while it took 250 years to get out from under the catastrophe of the Thirty Years War, in the course of the process German thought established itself as the most powerful mode of critical inquiry—Romanticism, Kant, Hegel to Marx, Nietzsche and beyond—in opposition to the French Enlightenment as Die Aufklärung. It may be that, once again, in the abjectness of Germany's post-war malaise, it will be in its thought and philosophy that Germany's challenge will be offered. I for one, wish that it would be so, and hope too that Germany attains once again its rightful position in Europe. I believe Putin hopes for it too and that this time round perhaps Russia and Germany could represent the possibilities of a strong Ost-Europa. America must be evicted from Europe and the undermining of its culture through immigration, wokism and neoliberalism must be reversed. Dangerous talk I know, but what else is to be done? Let Kant tell us:
Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 36
Excellent post-thanks.
I have one quibble-I think Goethe, a towering European thinker , was more French Enlightenment than the other German thinkers you noted.
"Or as the Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson put it: The baseline of life is suffering. And if you don't put a story against this suffering, you have no reason to live."
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 7:30 utc | 84
The best sentence I have read this morning.
A major problem of being conscious beings, being human : we crave meaning!
I sometimes fell slightly envious of animals who have no such restraint.
Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 7:30 utc | 84
*** Germans see no reason to live. Life (as a nation) is futile to them ***
Interesting in the case of Germany because it is the consequence of a long running, externally imposed, deliberately devised brainwash and censorship.
The same psychological warfare subsequently inflicted against the public in other Western countries -- not by outside enemies, but by their "own" political establishment.
Onwards to the WEF and synthetic wokist identity!
Posted by: Cynic | Feb 29 2024 13:14 utc | 91
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 28 2024 18:56 utc | 36
I share your views. Thank you for this, and so many other fine posts.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Feb 29 2024 13:39 utc | 92
Posted by: La Bastille | Feb 28 2024 21:48 utc
Thanks. Interesting thought. You saying Germany for a short period in history didn’t feel the pain of growth limiting factor energy and became confident first time. This is actually what the Germans from the east did bring in reunification. A trustful relationship with Russia. Without this germany now falls back to their default behave or feeling guilty and beeing not enough. Thanks again. This is enlightening.
Posted by: rico rose | Feb 29 2024 13:46 utc | 93
A major problem of being conscious beings, being human : we crave meaning!I sometimes fell slightly envious of animals who have no such restraint.
Posted by: canuck | Feb 29 2024 12:33 utc | 92
Yep, it's like the Bible says: When we eat from the tree of knowledge, we are driven out of paradise.
Happend to humanity during evolution and happens indivudually to each person when we grow up.
Interesting in the case of Germany because it is the consequence of a long running, externally imposed, deliberately devised brainwash and censorship.The same psychological warfare subsequently inflicted against the public in other Western countries -- not by outside enemies, but by their "own" political establishment.
Onwards to the WEF and synthetic wokist identity!Posted by: Cynic | Feb 29 2024 13:14 utc | 93
I, too, often thought about how much of this development happened due to "psychological warfare" and how much happened naturally. In case of Germany I think it's at least partly due to natural causes. It's not plausible that the Holocaust should go completely unnoticed by the collective psyche. But it's certainly possible that the German guilt complex was seen as useful by politicians and reinforced by deliberate manipulation.
In the case of other western countries ("wokeism" etc.) I'm quite sure that psychological warfare plays a very big role, yes.
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 14:21 utc | 94
@ Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 7:30 utc | 84
thanks! i find the idea of a country living without a myth of itself or the nation quite relevant in explaining why germany continues to flounder.. i don't know how it is going to get one either... thinking it is doing the right thing following usa ideology continues to be a recipe for disaster and perhaps germany will have to experience this in order to look deeper into what is at work here.. i certainly hope they do this sooner then later..
Posted by: james | Feb 29 2024 15:29 utc | 95
There are three topics about the Frigate:
1) They tried to shoot down the U.S. Drone "Reaper-Type", which has cut off the transponder (friend/foe)
and no one (also NOT the US Marine) has any knowledge about an US Op.
Conclusio: that was a "black OPs", perhaps CIA or worse, likely to help Israel.
Problem: THAT should never been happen! What "went wrong"? Well, the Frigate "Hessen" do have one of the most advanced RADAR/Detection System currently avaiable, the ship is a frequent member of the carrier task group around the carrier Harry S.Truman. So not a wreck, but a valuable one.
Now, it was not expected by the operators of the black OP, that any ship could detect the mystery Reaper drone. Why the RAM missisles miss it - who knows.
2) After that, the ship was able to shoot down two drones of the Huthis. And there is the next Mystery:
That was achieved by using the Oto-Melara 76mm main gun AND the RAM System. Strange. The Oto Melara ist not the first choice for anti aircraft defense. Why did they use that? The RAM and also the 27mm Machine canons (with extremly high fire rates) are designed for that. Weird.
3) The media outlets reported, that the "Hessen" has sufficient lack of ammonition and therefore, has to demiss. What a bullshit. The Frigate has enough ammo, and if not, it could easily be filled up by some helicopters or some support vessels.
SO: WHY DISMISS THE "HESSEN" ?? Answer: Who ever operate the "black drone" doe NOT WANT to be observed!
Therefore, this advanced ship has to go..
Posted by: ableman | Feb 29 2024 16:36 utc | 96
the SM-2 Block IIIA missiles utilized by vessels such as Hessen and sister ships are out of production, as revealed in a recent response to a member of parliament by the German Ministry of Defence (BMVg).The defense policy spokesperson for the Christian Social Union faction in the Bundestag, Florian Hahn, said, “We have now only learned on inquiry that part of the ammunition of the frigate ‘Hessen’ can no longer be procured because there is no longer the corresponding industrial capacity.”
Hahn warned that if the stocks of ammunition were depleted, the navy would be unable to replenish them, ultimately resulting in the withdrawal of the frigate. Additionally, he also accused the traffic light coalition government (so-called because of the colors of the parties in it: Social Democratic Party of Germany, the Free Democratic Party, and Alliance 90/The Greens) of concealing this vital information from the opposition for months.
Hahn further noted that this lack of transparency led to a situation where parliament approved deployment without being informed of the apparent ammunition shortage affecting the 124-class frigates.
Alex Luck, Naval defense expert, pointed out, “If the revelations are accurate, it implies all Sachsen-class frigates will have to undergo modernization of their combat management system and possibly also hardware upgrades in order to use the newer SM-2 Block IIIC now in low rate initial production. Details on the exact technical issues remain obscure.”
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/hall-of-shame-german-navy-attempts-to-shoot-down/
Posted by: Apollyon | Feb 29 2024 17:09 utc | 97
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 29 2024 7:30 utc | 83:
You painted a grim picture of present German psyche. Do cheer up a little. Germany, especially today under the malicious manipulation of the Empire on all population of the so-called west, needs better attitude of mind to fend off the devil encroaching from across the British Strait and the Atlantic. You're not alone. Look around you, The Spaniards, the Italianos, the French, the Dutch, the Vikings, the Swiss, the Poles, the Yugoslavs, ....the just about everybody collectively known as Old/New Europe, are more or less on the same trip as you Deutch folks. And for the same reason: the Empire pulled dirty tricks and you vassals obeyed and paid, sullenly but obediently. There isn't any bitching allowed even. What little protests gets nipped in the bud. The grossest/abjectest/biggest-brown-noses get elected to positions of leadership, with no redeeming political records to justify their selections except that the Empire approved of them. Glory be! These idiots/morons got pushed into positions to serve, not their own people but the Empire's. Yeah, I'm talking about the Nord Stream, the technical products to trade with flourishing economies in the East, the sticking noses into fantastical narratives about Shangri-la and such, the absorption of immigrants scattered by Empire's geopolitics. It seems, collectively, these social issues don't matter to Europeans. As White Man, Europeans are supposed to toe Empire's line and march to the tune as dictated. It's the same psychology as in the medieval Christianity. In fact, the tactic used is the same. Dissentions are alluded to as witches. The hunt and lynch of the witches always comes next. I feel sorry for folks such as Orban, AMLO, Vucci, et al.
But do cheer up! This too will come to pass. And you're in the middle of the passage, judging from what you said of the mood in Deutchland.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 29 2024 18:24 utc | 98
Embarrassment? O'RLY!
Like krauts could ever outdo Brittons, even in embarrassment.
BBC breaking news: https://imgur.com/a/jWNFWZr
Posted by: Arioch | Feb 29 2024 18:33 utc | 99
Emmanuel Todd, in his new book, blames the stupidity of the policies of European so-called "leaders" on NSA surveillance and blackmail.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 29 2024 20:06 utc | 100
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From shot two drones to fell into the sea.
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