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February 25, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-062

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

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Passed up Soda Stream refills once again. Been almost a year now. 🙂 Never drink Starbucks, but have been taking a break from McCafe’s delicious and inexpensive coffee for months, too. What have you been doing in your garden? 🙂
Bit by bit that ant takes down a rubber tree plant. 😀

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 26 2024 4:33 utc | 101

Is Drinkmate connected to zionism? They seem to have a decent product and I haven’t found any overt connections yet. Feel free to correct me.

Posted by: liveload | Feb 26 2024 4:37 utc | 102

Rain 94
Assalamu alaykum.
Yemeni leaders going to Moscow.
‘ What for ? ‘
I think from Putin’s perspective Netanyahu’s version of Zionism is no more and no less than the US – created Bandera neo-nazism , a political construct to achieve US hegemonic aims.
Putin has probably known about Hamas plans at least as long as Netanyahu and made his own plans to obstruct US imperial ambitions.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 26 2024 4:40 utc | 103

trubind1
Hostages?
As Scott Ritter explained, many of Hamas’ Israeli hostages are captured intelligence officers. Because of what they know and the PR value they have, Israel wants them dead. They have killed several of them – deliberately.
This is known in Israel which explains the enormous anger of the hostages’ relatives – a phenomenon unique and unprecedented in hostage scenarios. For the IDH they are a bigger threat and a more important target even than Hamas.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 26 2024 4:42 utc | 104

titmouse
Also boycotting all US chains

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 26 2024 4:53 utc | 105

Andrew Sarchus at 105, thank you! That is my country, USA, but USA and UK have stepped into the realm of aiding and abetting the greatest of crimes. So please continue! 🙂 See you all on the other side of this quest to stop this current genocide!
— XOXO

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 26 2024 5:05 utc | 106

Phychohistorian
Yes if the world acquiesces to the zionnazi genocide in Gaza then it deserves a nuclear war. Any may well get it.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 26 2024 5:08 utc | 107

RE: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 26 2024 4:42 utc | 104
Only time I used the term “hostages” was in relation to an imaginary scenario of a UNGA order to “release hostages”.
Other than than, for me, POW is accurate for all in service, as I believe all the civilians were released earlier, died, or killed by Israeli already.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 6:05 utc | 108

The prisioners held are best described as POWs since they are now either IDF (regulars, conscripts, or weekend warriors) or Paramilitaries.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2024 7:18 utc | 109

Guy was an active service air force officer that set himself alight. BBC can only say ” a man” .
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 1:25 utc | 93…..
German press says he was a Active Duty Fighter Pilot. This is very very big. Sign that our Military is getting red pilled.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2024 7:22 utc | 110

Update on the self-immolation:

The burn victim, who identified himself in video of the incident as 25-year-old Aaron Bushnell, reportedly succumbed to his injuries on Sunday night, according to independent journalist Talia Jane, who posted on social media that she is in contact with Bushnell’s family and friends.

https://time.com/6821425/israel-embassy-air-force-protest-fire-self-immolation-aaron-bushnell-latest-updates/
I’ve been in mourning for the loss of a loved one. While I’m at it, since I’m at it, I’ll also be praying:
Aaron Bushnell, rest in peace.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2024 7:25 utc | 111

fyi
https://www.ipsc.ie/sanctions/seanadsanctions
Irish Seanad Calls for Sanctions on Apartheid Israel!
The Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign this evening welcomed the unanimous passing of a motion in the Seanad calling for robust actions by the Irish government to hold Apartheid Israel accountable for its ongoing crimes against the Palestinian people.
The motion, moved by the Civic Engagement Group Senators Frances Black, Lynne Ruane, Alice Mary Higgins and Eileen Flynn, is comprehensive and calls on the Irish government to, among other things: impose sanctions on Israel; enact the Occupied Territories Bill and the Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill; to actively ensure no US weapons are being sent to Israel through Irish airspace; and to push for an international arms embargo on Israel. It can be read in full here…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 26 2024 8:24 utc | 112

Posted by: Jane | Feb 26 2024 2:45 utc | 96

I guess you don’t understand “parenthetical.”

What I don’t understand is the need to stir “Nazi” into the batter when zionism and the crimes it is committing in real time are under discussion.
A lot of people used Hollerith machines, including HIAS which was active in Eastern Europe throughout WWI, shepherding Jews into Germany; and as noted above, Arthur Ruppin had developed extensive systems for evaluating and tallying Jewish settlers beginning in ~1910.

How do you know that Rabbi Wise’s number is wrong? What is the correct number? What evidence is there for it? Wise records that the number was stated in a conversation in mid-February 1933, “within a fortnight of der Fuhrer’s rise to chancellorship.” Pretty fast work for Nazis to collect that data and for Wise to have acquired it, all in 14 days.

Sean wrote of the virtue of brevity. Indeed.
I argue that zionism and its behaviors this day must be analyzed on their own right, sui generis.
When I see “Nazi” inserted into a claim, I wonder why. What does it add to our understanding & a resolution?
I suspect “Nazi” is a kind of talisman, a bridge the unconscious builds to somehow make sense of the notions about Jews and zionism we have been fed most of our lives, as they are being confounded by current events.
I take a different, harsher approach: given that we are being lied to today — we know this; it is reasonable to assume that we have been lied to for most of our lives about, i.e. the world wars: masks are coming off. We have to confront the possibility that Germans/”Nazis”/Fascists have been slandered, or at very least their stories forbidden to be given equal weight. And that entities we have been led to believe were innocent victims, were not.
Unless the leopard has changed its spots, we are forced to consider that the zionist behavior we are seeing today is consistent with zionist behaviors from its beginnings and throughout the 20th century wars in Europe.

Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 9:03 utc | 113

‘ Aaron Bushnell’
Aaron ?
A Jewish name possibly. Perhaps One of the many American Jews against the genocidal Likud.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2024 9:14 utc | 114

114 – On the other hand, Bushnell is an English name and most of its holders seem to be Gentiles. An interesting one was an 18th century American inventor, David Bushnell, who designed an early submarine that attempted an attack on a British ship in New York harbour in 1776.

Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 26 2024 9:29 utc | 115

Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 9:03 utc | 113
The correlation has memetic validity and effectiveness on a number of vital grounds. These include:
Fascistic, totalitarian imposition of belief in an ‘undermenchen’ and its corollary violent impact upon the target group.
The directly relevant consideration of ‘Never Again’ as a pre-eminent purpose and the attendant gross hypocrisy pervading the current circumstance that draws its breath directly from having a ‘new and approved’ undermenchen that is not ‘us’.
The equivalence of Lebensraum within both overall activities
I get a whiff of Nazi sympathy within your protestations.
That’d be rich if so.
‘Don’t throw us together with these Zio-bastards. They are way worse then we ever were’.

Posted by: Greg | Feb 26 2024 9:40 utc | 116

Exile 114
Aaron is popularly used as an alternative to Aryan, meaning Noble in Hindi. Which itself is remotely connected to white supremacy by others .

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 26 2024 9:45 utc | 117

Live ICJ https://www.icj-cij.org/multimedia-live-original

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Feb 26 2024 10:18 utc | 118

Just heard the end of one argument from The Arab League, I think, now they just stopped for tea or something. Basic proposals appear to suggest all Israel’s actions are illegal due to it’s illegal occupation.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Feb 26 2024 10:30 utc | 119

Nazi’s saw them selves as the master race under hitler and exterminating jews was just apart of that, hitler beleaved he could dominate the world by invading othet countrys, killing or enslaving the population, exploiting their wealth and resources. It was a imoral buseness plan, brutal and criminal. Against all internatinal law. Other countrys joined in, notable Italaly and Japan. What Germany did to the Jews then was abohrant and many other peoples were equaly so.
That is an exact comparison with what we see america doing right now with the help of england and israel, and the network of jews that have infiltrated all centers of power, particulaly politics, media and higher education.
I warned of this about 9 or 10 years ago on this site and was pillaread for it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2024 10:52 utc | 120

Nobody has let out a cheer for the news today . Jacob Rothschild dead today at 87
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lord-jacob-rothschild-dead-dies-b2502502.html

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 11:05 utc | 121

If your in a middle Easten country, if your middle class american, english or europian, be scared be very scared your ripe plump low hanging fruit, for the facist american imoral busness plan.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2024 11:06 utc | 122

Hankster @ 121
Thanks for that good news may he rot in hell.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2024 11:08 utc | 123

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 11:05 utc | 121
https://www.thejc.com/news/features/a-family-that-helped-build-a-new-nation-kkakggbe
It’s the most entitled confession you’ll ever read. Of course he omits all the crimes and violence.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Feb 26 2024 11:26 utc | 124

Azrael bombed eastern Lebanon today
“At least 278 people have been killed on the Lebanese side since fighting erupted (on oct 8th), most of them Hezbollah fighters but also including 44 civilians.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/58/1262/518385/War-on-Gaza/War-on-Gaza/Israel-strikes-east-Lebanon-for-first-time-since-G.aspx

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 26 2024 11:36 utc | 125

bevin | Feb 25 2024 21:47 utc | 73
Many, perhaps a majority, of Jews are opposed to Zionism as a project, many more are appalled by the genocide being carried out in their name
Just the fact that such a small minority of people(I mean, there are even more trannies than Jews) could generate so much derision over so many centuries kinda suggests that something’s been amiss, no?
95% of Jewish Israelis support the ongoing genocide, a genocide largely abetted and financed by American Jews and Jewish organizations. What is this majority that is opposed to Zionism as a project? And even if it exists, what does that even mean?
For centuries, at least from the time that JC cleansed the temple in something like 25 A.D., Jewish life was restricted in cities all over the world.
Coincidental?

Posted by: john | Feb 26 2024 12:09 utc | 126

Jacob Rothschild dead today at 87
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lord-jacob-rothschild-dead-dies-b2502502.html
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 11:05 utc | 121
……….
Lord Rothschild’s UK home in the middle of nowhere won BBC Grand Designs House of The Year in 2015.
If you search Grand Designs Flint House there are pics.
It’s not a modest cottage and was as expensive as it could be without being gold plated 🙂

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 26 2024 12:19 utc | 127

canuck 58
“Retarded. Yes retarded indeed the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, 2024 years after his pbuh rather public prophetic mission to them.
And 1443 years and waiting late to recognise the Great prophet mentioned as ‘still to come’ in the Gospels.
They have really and truly missed the boat.”
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 21:41 utc | 72
Not only are you openly racist, not well read, a poor speller -you also mix your metaphors.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 26 2024 12:34 utc | 128

The conflation of support for Zionism with membership of the Jewish community is precisely what the Hasbara propagandists aim for.
Many, perhaps a majority, of Jews are opposed to Zionism as a project, many more are appalled by the genocide being carried out in their name.
Among the most perceptive and consistent opponents of the genocide and the best champions of the Palestinian cause are many who identify themselves as Jews.
“The only purpose served by blaming Jews, per se, for what is being done in Palestine is to attract the support of fascists and racists. The people of Palestine can do without that support.
Zionism is founded on antisemitism, it craves it, creates it and lives off it. It always has done. Fighting Zionism includes fighting anti-semitism.
Nothing is more pleasing to Hasbara than to review comments on sites like this one and discover attacks on Jews assuming that they are automatically friends of Israel.
AIPAC is controlled and financed by a small class of oligarchs, by no means all of them Jewish, who control Congress as much in their own interest as capitalists as in the interests of Israeli fascism.”
Posted by: bevin | Feb 25 2024 21:47 utc | 73
100% right; only you should have directed your post at Giyane who is promoting mindless anti-semitism is playing right into the Zionists hands

Posted by: canuck | Feb 26 2024 12:37 utc | 129

jacob is not dead
evelyne is not dead the rothschild heads of the khazharian mafia the biggest crime syndicate in history are very much alive and kicking.
like lord mcalpine,lord greville janner,jeffrey epstein,jizzlain maxwell,isis head al bagdaddy simon elliot shimon elliot,henry heinrich himmler kissenger are all very much here hare here the actors names have been snuffed out but the heat gets strong so are retired from public view.
the synagogue of satan oded yinon new khazharia always grows smoke and mirrors show the committee felt that the heads of the family where being exposed to much show now with evelyne and jacob working from truman show town beyond the ice walls beyond admiral birds little america we will have less talk of the rothschild family Bankers for the crown and the vatican
they live they feed off us as parasite do
for the record soros is dead as in snuffed it he on ice ice baby

Posted by: todd | Feb 26 2024 12:41 utc | 130

Clearly everyone fighting against the people in Gaza are likely not Nazi. To me it appears like an insane land grab, using religion to unite opposition to the residents.
The term Nazi came up more validly with some of the Ukrainian people fighting in their current conflict, many having Nazi insignia on their bodies or clothing.

Posted by: HelenB | Feb 26 2024 12:52 utc | 131

RE: Why would they when they can kill as many women and children as they desire by dropping bombs on them from the safety of an aeroplane?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 26 2024 4:04 utc | 99
Agree. Nothing but another bombing campaign. Mohammed D stated that Israel fired 2 rockets at Egypt Rafah crossing.
Israel still looking to force expulsion to Egypt. Apparently there is a meeting again today, he believed it was an intimidation tactic ahead of meeting. Israel still wants to take over Philadelphia Line. Mohammed believes that Egypt would enter war if Israel try’s land grab of Philadelphia Line by force. Only bringing that up, because I think it’s an important piece to the “Rafah” genocide/expulsion plan. They need Egypt cooperation. He stated that Egypt knows that Israel will reinvade Sinai if they have Palestinians there,
(On the pretense of border hostilities-future). He stated also, that the Ben Gurion project is more of a pipe dream at the moment, but that Israel has always had designs of taking over Suez Canal.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 13:20 utc | 132

The most interesting thing about Rothschild wasn’t wealth or that there was a species of giraffes named after them or they had a zoo which included african human exhibits. But the amount of global leaders that took photos under his (in)famous painting 1797 of “satan summoning his legions”. Sorta left not much to explain away as out of context.

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 13:41 utc | 133

HelenB@131….you are splitting hairs, look for differences and hot air between he isms you will find lots…..judged by their actions, they are one and the same. I read lots from tall foreheads on the merits of this and that……again totally irrelevant, when judged against their actions….so ideologies aside, please explain how their forms of murder and genocide differ.
Cheers M
An ancient truism as relevant then as it is today….”know them by their deeds” the rest is obfuscation.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 26 2024 13:45 utc | 134

Charlotte Church blasted for leading ‘antisemitic’ sing-song during concert https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/26174775/charlotte-church-leading-antisemitic-sing-song?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

Posted by: Geraint ap IorWERTH | Feb 26 2024 14:12 utc | 135

134
jacob has a huge maria abrahomovich goy blood art collection maria like baphomet is a man and a wo man
the 1797 satan painting you mention that was near the front door always a pause as the bolts locks and shackles are undone
so an obvious place for a quick picture while waiting for the drawbridge to go down
nothing in that just a conky donk move along now.

Posted by: todd | Feb 26 2024 14:34 utc | 136

Extraordinary charges of bias emerge against NYTimes reporter Anat Schwartz (Mondoweiss, James North, February 25, 2024)


The latest questions are centered around Anat Schwartz, an Israeli who co-authored several of the paper’s most widely circulated reports, including the now well-known and scrutinized December 28 article headlined: “‘Screams Without Words’’ How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7.”
Independent researchers scrutinized the online record, and raised serious questions about Schwartz. First, she has apparently never been a reporter but is actually a filmmaker, who the Times suddenly hired in October. You would expect the paper to look for someone with actual journalistic experience, especially for a story as sensitive as this one, written during the fog of war. Surely the paper had enough of its own correspondents on staff who could have been assigned to it.
Next, the researchers found that Schwartz had not hidden her strong feelings online. There are screenshots of her “liking” certain posts that repeated the “40 beheaded baby” hoax, and that endorsed another hysterical post that urged the Israeli army to “turn Gaza into a slaughterhouse,” and called Palestinians “human animals.”
(Just this morning, more evidence emerged online; Schwartz apparently also served in Israeli Military Intelligence.)

After Anat Schwartz’s online history became public, she locked down her accounts and then deleted much of the incriminating content.

Posted by: S | Feb 26 2024 14:42 utc | 137

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2024 10:52 utc | 120
That’s the narrative that has become dogma, Mark2.
Can you provide sources and evidence to back up what you have written?
Much of it has been shown to be bogus.
Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultz-Rhonhof tells another side of the story:
The War That Had Many Fathers (in German with subtitles, or buy the book)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRpsfJmtPNg
One of the comments says, “The victors write the history – that’s all! Nurnberg …”
The Nurnberg trials were not credible from the get-go: Rabbi Stephen Wise, mentioned earlier, wrote to his children in (about) July 1945 that Robert Jackson, the judge who was to preside over the court, had already decided that the trials would NOT conform to established Anglo-Saxon forms:

“Jackson has grand and spacious ideas on the Nuremberg trials in mid-October, with Weizmann, Goldmann or S.S.W. [Stephen S Wise] as Jewish witnesses to present the Jewish case . . .
In itself it becomes the greatest trial in history, with what Jackson calls its broad departure from Anglo-Saxon legal tradition.
Retroactively “aggressive war-making” becomes criminally punishable–with membership in the Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation.”

(Stephen Wise, Collected Letters, p. 268)

Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 15:01 utc | 138

Posted by: JAB | Feb 25 2024 17:53 utc | 35
*** The ultimate aim of this gang is “purging” the West Bank of its Palestinian inhabitants, cleansing the Temple Mount of its Muslim worshippers and annexing the territories to the state of Israel. The way to achieve this goal is blood-soaked. ***
Something seldom mentioned is that there is a (seemingly minority) strand in Jewish theology which holds that the Jews are actually *partners* of their deity, not subjects. And that *they* have to nudge, push or hoodwink *their deity* into making the correct decisions.
So, in effect, “God says because we told him to”.
A very dangerous mindset which may well, albeit running in the background, be relevant.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 26 2024 15:07 utc | 139

@ Posted by: Geraint ap IorWERTH | Feb 26 2024 14:12 utc | 136
Thanks Geraint came to post that from the Radio 6 news report half hour ago.
No mention of the self immolation in DC by a serving military person.
Charlotte has got bigger balls that Bono-head, Sting and other such bs sjw’s who detailed a whole generation of political youth .
Fuck them.
Hail the Church of Charlotte.
Zionazis must be defeated, the world must be de-Zionazified – and illegal apartheid entity supporters must decolonise the Levant and return to their European homes or any 5 eyes they all came from or went to before being deluded into settling upon native lands of Semitic peoples – which they as convert settlers have no right to be in.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 26 2024 15:16 utc | 140

“…with membership in the Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation.”
(Stephen Wise, Collected Letters, p. 268)
ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 15:01 utc | 139
Seems simple enough to me. Members of the Gestapo were, presumably, guilty of criminal acts.
As to the Anglo-Saxon law, it is reasonable that a court of that sort would accommodate itself to broader legal traditions’
Mark2’s points were reasonable- it is not necessary, yet, for people to subscribe to neo-nazi revisionist theories of history.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 26 2024 15:17 utc | 141

Jane | Feb 25 2024 17:21 utc | 32
*** The Zionists appear to have used more old-fashioned technology for the same purpose: to create a database for use in various aspects of the ethnic cleansing.***
Interesting how much of the surveillance, data-trawling and data crunching software and technology used in the UK and other countries seems to be Israeli / Zionist sourced.
All the more so since successive UK regimes have such a peculiar compulsion to sign contracts for the transfer of as much data as possible about the UK population to US (MIC and Israeli associated) and Israeli companies.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 26 2024 15:18 utc | 142

Lebanese TV reports:
11:18 Dozens of Zionist settlers, backed by Israeli occupation forces, stormed Al-Aqsa Mosque on Monday morning in a new provocation in the holy compound
Comment : the violent attack of 2.Oct on innocent worshippers at the Al-Aqsa holy site was the start of this round of hostilities. Tragic to see these attacks repeating

Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2024 15:19 utc | 143

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12
Fine post sir. I am sure many of us feel as you do.
Tragic about this young man sacrificing his life in a terrible way to draw attention to the horror, and I admire his courage.

“What happens if there are no such people of spirituality?”
“God will govern them”.
– Ukrainian mystic-healer-oracle Mihailo Nechay

Posted by: Áobh Ò’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 26 2024 15:25 utc | 144

Palestinian Government resigns:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/palestinian-prime-minister-and-cabinet-resign-as-focus-grows-on-life-after-gaza-war/ar-BB1iTBjm
Technocratic government to follow.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 15:39 utc | 145

Misstated. Palestinian PM of West Bank resigned.
Tomorrow “Day of Rage”… West Bank

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 16:43 utc | 146

@ Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 15:39 utc | 146
Much ado about nothing until and unless Kapo Abbas and the PA are replaced by a government more interested in Palestinian welfare than Israeli welfare.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 26 2024 16:55 utc | 147

ChasMark @ 139
asking for a source to my comment is an obveous bait to go into a long derailment of the this thread on Palistian, so sorry no do your own reaserch, becouse i cant be arsed.
For you to question the world wide horror of WW2 is frankly obscene and disgusting.
———-
Bevin @ 142
Thanks for your comment here, we may differ at times, but i know we are on the same page and always have been.
You should know i value and respect your opinions even when we disagree.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2024 16:56 utc | 148

I haven’t seen a single report today, political-international-on the ground that was uplifting or hopeful for the Palestinian/Gazan’s.
If anyone has a report that seems hopeful, could you post?
Hopefully this is the darkness before the dawn, because I really feel depressed, like evil’s shadow does nothing but grow bigger and bigger…
“What news from Mordor?” Is about all I hear. It’s depressing.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 26 2024 17:57 utc | 149

b., I can not believe that you have not noticed a grave descent into badness and stupidity, banality by your barflies.
I am relatively new, few years and never posted much, since Ukraine.
You were a rare outfit which allowed good quality comments on Palestine/Israel since beginning, and thus I am grateful for the info from:
a) @abierno ( theft of resources from Ghaza, Ben Gurion and gas, naphta steals from palestine-realestate plans etc)
b) @ pq, honest analysis of the situ,explaining the background and MO of the theft for resources by ‘the west’ from the rest of the world
c) @Exile trying to give details on resistance
d) @ dungroanin, good perspective on history of the western rot
e) @ bevin, sentimental socialist
f) the older posters such as @Debsisdead who never let the imbeciles get away with the sh.t, respect
g) and some more, sorry if I missed you, honest posters.
But I notice, since I post from a ‘distance’, from far away, and often read just a thread or so, that the situ in the bar has deteriorated terribly, now there are a lot of hasbara agents in the bar ( false muslims, false budhists, pious house wifes, and whatmore, so obvious).
Also old people with their bony fingers typing all day and jumping from thread to thread like locusts, spilling verbiage and meaningless posts, because they have all the time on their hands. I guess these individuals have nothing better to do but sit in the bar all day long and spout useless posts.
As this is my last post ( I have enough of resources re. Palestine and the world not to be dependent on spoonfeeding), I thank you and honestly, you should not encourage this trend in your bar.
Encourage better quality, and discourage the useless crowd, give less, rarer, and better quality posts.
Thank you, until few months ago, you were so much better than this.
Now, you have to pick yourself up and introduce some serious defense against the banality and mediocrity which you have tolerated too long in the bar.
Thank you
More and more meaningless low quality

Posted by: stranger | Feb 26 2024 18:23 utc | 150

pls disregard tha last line, post not edited.
I hope you clean the bar up, because it has become very unappealing, too many bad guys shouting and speaking rubish, you do not need this, unless you want
Thank you, and see you, maybe, .it gets better, remember, you have responsibility to keep the bar clean, and to kick out the garbage clients.
Thank you for the previous years.

Posted by: stranger | Feb 26 2024 18:30 utc | 151

Al Qassem daily SitRep
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2054219

Al-Qassam Brigades managed to detonate an antipersonnel explosive device planted inside a house where a group of 15 soldiers were hiding. The resistance attack left all the Zionist soldiers inside the house which lies in Abasan area, Khan Younis, dead or injured.

Comment – the battle of Khan Younis must be extraordinarily brutal. My guess is both sides are exhausted in Khan Younis. Video with usual oblivious IDF infantry getting wacked and some APCs getting RPG‘d. 1 Merlava claimed bringing tally to 167 since 2.Oct

Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2024 19:07 utc | 152

Hostages?
As Scott Ritter explained, many of Hamas’ Israeli hostages are captured intelligence officers. Because of what they know and the PR value they have, Israel wants them dead. They have killed several of them – deliberately.
This is known in Israel which explains the enormous anger of the hostages’ relatives – a phenomenon unique and unprecedented in hostage scenarios. For the IDH they are a bigger threat and a more important target even than Hamas.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 26 2024 4:42 utc | 105
A lot of the “hostages” were also IDF reservists and active duty on leave. Apparently they surrendered in the hopes of being exchanged as POWs.
The Zionists would rather they had fought to the death, both for efficacy and to avoid exchanges, and want their personnel to know that surrender is not an option.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 26 2024 21:09 utc | 153

bevin @ 73
I’ve known enough American Jews to know they do not all support Zionism or Israel. It could be as much as 5% are not on board.
There are only 16 million Jews on the planet. Six million of them live in US. Seven million live in Israel. We can be fairly confident the majority of Israelis support Zionism. Three million living elsewhere, I’d bet most are Zionists.
The commentary I hear from American Jews is they want more death, much more death. They want it done faster and they enjoy cruelty and brutality. Enjoy is the word I meant to use, no mistake.
Anti-Israel Jews I’ve known are entirely cut off by their Jewish brethren. And better off for it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2024 21:58 utc | 154

I’ve known enough American Jews to know they do not all support Zionism or Israel. It could be as much as 5% are not on board.
There are only 16 million Jews on the planet. Six million of them live in US. Seven million live in Israel. We can be fairly confident the majority of Israelis support Zionism. Three million living elsewhere, I’d bet most are Zionists.
The commentary I hear from American Jews is they want more death, much more death. They want it done faster and they enjoy cruelty and brutality. Enjoy is the word I meant to use, no mistake.
Anti-Israel Jews I’ve known are entirely cut off by their Jewish brethren. And better off for it.
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2024 21:58 utc | 155
“It is forbidden to be merciful to them [Palestinians]. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.”
-Chief Rabbi of Israel Ovadia Yosef, 2001

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 26 2024 22:05 utc | 155

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRn4qYAORAE
Solid arguments in front of the ICJ bench.
‘The occupation must end… all settlers must be removed immediately… because Israel lacks any legal entitlement to exercise authority…
Israel … .lacks a valid international legal basis and is, therefore, invalid.’

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 27 2024 0:04 utc | 156

Israel will starve Palestinians to death and no one will do a thing except talk.

Posted by: Make Palestine GA | Feb 27 2024 2:10 utc | 157

Below is a posting link from The Register of interest
Underwater cables in Red Sea damaged months after Houthis threatened to do just that
The quote

At least 15 submarine cables pass through the Bab al-Mandab Strait at the southern end of the Red Sea, a body of water just 26km wide at some points. Yemen is the Strait’s northern shore.
The first reports of damage to submarine cables off the coast of Yemen began emerged on Monday morning, with Israeli news outlet Globes claiming that four cables (EIG, AAE-1, Seacom and TGN-EA) had experienced damage. Seacom has reportedly confirmed damage to a cable it operates on a stretch between Kenya and Egypt.
“The location of the cable break is significant due to its geopolitical sensitivity and ongoing tensions, making it a challenging environment for maintenance and repair operations,” Seacom said. “The team is currently working towards restoration timelines and will communicate these plans with our clients.”
Globes attributed the outages to the Iran-backed Houthis, and claimed the damage was “significant, but not critical,” because several other undersea cables serve the region. Seacom has already reassured customers it has re-routed traffic onto other cables.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 27 2024 3:40 utc | 158

fyi
‘Israel’s Existential Threat Is From Within’: David Ivry, a Pillar of Israeli Defense for Decades, Tells All
David Ivry was in the war room during almost every critical juncture of Israeli defense. Now, in his 90th year, with the country in perhaps its worst crisis ever, the former air force commander, deputy IDF chief of staff and ambassador to Washington is ready to get down to brass tacks
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-23/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/israels-existential-threat-is-from-within-a-pillar-of-israeli-defense-tells-all/0000018d-d14b-d74b-addf-d77bd0250000
Worth reading …

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 27 2024 4:18 utc | 159

Gaza was the excuse. Lebanon/Syria/Iraq are the goal. Israel’s puppet USA will be ordered to attack in a few months. For a Greater Israel reaching the Euphrates and the New Temple. In reality we’ll get WW3.

Posted by: JackG | Feb 27 2024 4:32 utc | 160

The commentary I hear from American Jews is they want more death, much more death. They want it done faster and they enjoy cruelty and brutality. Enjoy is the word I meant to use, no mistake.
Anti-Israel Jews I’ve known are entirely cut off by their Jewish brethren. And better off for it.
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 26 2024 21:58 utc | 155
The marble-patterned, hardcover book embossed with gold Hebrew letters looks like any other religious commentary you’d find in an Orthodox Judaica bookstore — but reads like a rabbinic instruction manual outlining acceptable scenarios for killing non-Jewish babies, children and adults.
“The prohibition ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’” applies only “to a Jew who kills a Jew,” write Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and attacks on them “curb their evil inclination,” while babies and children of Israel’s enemies may be killed since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.”

“The King’s Torah” reflects a fringe viewpoint held by a minority of rabbis in the West Bank, said Avinoam Rosenak, a Hebrew University professor specializing in settler theology. Asher Cohen, a Bar Ilan University political science professor, thought its influence would be “zero” because it appeals only to extreme ideologues.
But the book’s wide dissemination and the enthusiastic endorsements of prominent rabbis have spotlighted what might have otherwise remained an isolated commentary.
https://forward.com/news/123925/rabbinic-text-or-call-to-terror/
Lendman reports that some extremist Israeli rabbis teach that “the ten commandments don’t apply to non-Jews. So killing them in defending the homeland is acceptable, and according to the chairman of the Jewish Rabbinic Council:
“”There is no such thing as enemy civilians in war time. The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them…. A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail.’”
Lendman writes, “Rabbi David Batsri called Arabs ‘a blight, a devil, a disaster…. donkeys, and we have to ask ourselves why God didn’t create them to walk on all fours. Well, the answer is that they are needed to build and clean.’”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 27 2024 5:38 utc | 161

From Reuters
Biden: Israel agrees to halt military activity over Ramadan, risks losing world support
And at the same time at The Cradle are the following two posting links providing a different perspective
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-bombs-eastern-lebanon-after-hezbollah-downs-2m-drone
https://thecradle.co/articles/netanyahu-pledges-to-invade-rafah-regardless-of-ceasefire-deal

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 27 2024 6:40 utc | 162

Much ado about nothing until and unless Kapo Abbas and the PA are replaced by a government more interested in Palestinian welfare than Israeli welfare.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 26 2024 16:55 utc | 148
This also applies to the collaborationist Arab governments and the Arab League talking shop.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 27 2024 6:56 utc | 163

Cynic
Exactly, possibly now extended to all EU. Full integration of EU med data to Gates foundation is on the VdL prog for reelection (by her ilk, not by we the ppl). Replacing all “red” open source apps and pieces of apps to be fully integrated into natogrid.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 27 2024 10:28 utc | 164

Dr Ralph Wilde Webinar: How Britain broke international law to stop Palestinian independence ==> https://youtu.be/wb9qRpmtjsk
Wilde was the presenter for the Arab League before the ICJ ==> https://youtu.be/Yhbx6iplYNY

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2024 11:05 utc | 165

RE: Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 27 2024 6:40 utc | 163
Do you think Biden honestly doesn’t know Israel has already lost “world support”? I doubt it. It’s kinda like not figuring out they’ve lost the war in Ukraine.
In any case, Netanyahu does want he likes. And he wants ME blow up, needs it really.
Anyways, thx for Reuters, hadn’t heard this b4.
Not sure of context at UN, but linking Russia latest statement:
https://tass.com/politics/1751891
“Russian First Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations Dmitry Polyansky said.
“Ukraine and Israel are definitely fighting the same battle – against humanity and international humanitarian law!” the Russian diplomat wrote on his page on X.
“Together with the United Nations we will resist Israel’s attempts to present killing of civilians in Gaza in blatant violation of international humanitarian law as fight with terrorists. In the same way as Ukraine was trying to present its 10 year-long killing of civilians in Donbass as fight with terrorists and finally got rebuffed by the International Court of Justice,” Polyansky warned.
“Delirium continues…A week ago we heard from the Israeli Representative that ‘the United Nations is Hamas.’ Today – that Russia is Hamas,” Polyansky wrote, referring to a recent remark by Gilad Erdan, ”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 11:28 utc | 166

Jackg
Exactly, Macron (high on c…?) Leaked it in oct when he said he wld send a boat to the gaza coast to participate in anti IS anti hizb coalition
Except that this time Turkey, Qatar and Saudis r not in board.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 27 2024 11:39 utc | 167

Egypt Sells Out Palestinians for $10 Billion Loan Package
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/egypt-sells-out-palestinians-for-10-billion-loan-package/#comment-6439489

Posted by: ld | Feb 27 2024 12:02 utc | 168

Much ado about nothing until and unless Kapo Abbas and the PA are replaced by a government more interested in Palestinian welfare than Israeli welfare.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 26 2024 16:55 utc | 148
This also applies to the collaborationist Arab governments and the Arab League talking shop.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 27 2024 6:56 utc | 164
_____
Absolutely correct.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 27 2024 12:45 utc | 169

The pretty shitty city of Tel Aviv, bin there and got the T shirt, says it will not engage in any activity in Ramadhan. However it didn’t promise not to engage in inactivity,such as not delivering more than essential aid to Palestinians or not releasing them from jail.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 27 2024 13:14 utc | 170

RE: Posted by: Giyane | Feb 27 2024 13:14 utc | 171
I’ve actually only seen “Joe Biden” or “Biden” states Israel will not engage in hostilities during Ramadan in exch for “hostages”… haven’t heard “Israel” utter any such proclamation… but, maybe missed it.
It’s more nonsense anyways, Ramadan couldn’t be a better opportunity to expand to wider war as desired by Israel anyway.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 14:06 utc | 171

Ramadan –
IDF needs a couple of weeks to regroup and lick its wounds.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 14:07 utc | 172

‘Israel’ threatens to withdraw from Eurovision if entry lyrics vetoed

Israel” threatened to withdraw from this year’s Eurovision Song Contest if the lyrics to its entry song were deemed “too political”.
Israeli singer Eden Golan and her song “October Rain” have been chosen to compete in the annual competition, which will take place in Malmo, Sweden, in May.
Several days ago, reports stated that the song, which is largely in English with some Hebrew phrases, references the unfolding events of the Palestinian Resistance’s operation on October 7.
That might imply it violates Eurovision regulations, which prohibit political remarks.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Arts&Culture/-israel–threatens-to-withdraw-from-eurovision-if-entry-lyri

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 14:13 utc | 173

They syphon all of value
and don a human face
and trumpet their ambition
to enslave the human race
no pity for its victims
no conscience as its guide
they carry out their mission
and conduct their work with pride
“we’ll kill them all and you as well
we’ll drag you all into hell”
we will not stop until we’ve bled
every host until it’s dead

Posted by: ld | Feb 27 2024 14:18 utc | 174

The main headline at Reuters right now is a surprise.
https://www.reuters.com/
Inside the Democratic rebellion against Biden over the Gaza war
The big main picture is a bigger surprise.
It is a photo of protesters holding a banner:
JEWS TO BIDEN:
STOP ARMING GENOCIDE
Sweatshirts say:
NOT IN OUR NAME
CEASEFIRE NOW

Archived Reuters

Posted by: librul | Feb 27 2024 14:25 utc | 175

RE: Ramadan –
IDF needs a couple of weeks to regroup and lick its wounds.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 14:07 utc | 173
That may be true, but Israel has no intention of sacrificing its IOF forces, the goal is US forces dying. In order to get that, you need a Syrian front opened.
As was stated in Judge Nap, Aaron Bushnell had standing orders for deployment to Israel since November. Some say US doesn’t want an Iran war, probably not, I’ve always assumed that was the deal with Lloyd Austin, 2 days after Israel visit (guessing he told Netanyahu to pound salt) he was “hospitalized” and pretty much removed from position since.
Biden obviously doing every bidding of his master.
No crystal ball here, just saying so far, not seeing Israeli agenda thwarted in any way by US.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 14:39 utc | 176

At least Hezbollah gets “reality” while Arab , Russian, Iran & Western nations live in la-la land.
From Press TV-Hezbollah:
“He was speaking on Monday during a ceremony in the Lebanese capital city of Beirut in commemoration of the fallen commanders and members of the resistance group.
He underlined that whatever Hezbollah has employed so far in the course of battles with Israeli forces represents just a fraction of its military and deterrent capabilities.
“Political declarations and formal protests will not deter the [Israeli] enemy. Expression of sympathy over fallen women and children, and meetings where statements of condemnation are issued will not stop the enemy. Only weapons and resistance can deter the enemy,” Sheikh Qassem pointed out.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 14:50 utc | 177

What happening at ICJ today ?

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 15:10 utc | 178

The hearings were 19-26 feb.
They deliberate now… for days, weeks or months.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 27 2024 16:11 utc | 179

Islam – pray and submit to Allah for mercy.
Russia – Study math and physics so we can blow Western Zionist to smithereens.
The difference in MOA ‘s Ukraine and Palestine threads could not be a starker example of the problem with Islam.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 27 2024 16:55 utc | 180

ICJ was supposed to meet on the 26.Feb to decide if the Likud Gov‘t of Israel had complied with its order of 26.Jan to Stop Killing Palestinians this is the genocide lawsuit.
The hearings last week were a different case also related to Israel.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 17:08 utc | 181

Summary of the Order of 26 January 2024

“(1) The State of Israel shall immediately suspend its military operations in and against
Gaza.
(2) The State of Israel shall ensure that any military or irregular armed units which may
be directed, supported or influenced by it, as well as any organisations and persons
which may be subject to its control, direction or influence, take no steps in
furtherance of the military operations referred to [in] point (1) above.
(3) The Republic of South Africa and the State of Israel shall each, in accordance with
their obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the
Crime of Genocide, in relation to the Palestinian people, take all reasonable
measures within their power to prevent genocide.
(4) The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on
the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to the
Palestinian people as a group protected by the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, desist from the commission of any and all
acts within the scope of Article II of the Convention, in particular:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to the members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about
its physical destruction in whole or in part; and(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
(5) The State of Israel shall, pursuant to point (4) (c) above, in relation to Palestinians,
desist from, and take all measures within its power including the rescinding of
relevant orders, of restrictions and/or of prohibitions to prevent:
(a) the expulsion and forced displacement from their homes;
(b) the deprivation of:
(i) access to adequate food and water;
(ii) access to humanitarian assistance, including access to adequate fuel,
shelter, clothes, hygiene and sanitation;
(iii) medical supplies and assistance; and
(c) the destruction of Palestinian life in Gaza.
(6) The State of Israel shall, in relation to Palestinians, ensure that its military, as well
as any irregular armed units or individuals which may be directed, supported or
otherwise influenced by it and any organizations and persons which may be subject
to its control, direction or influence, do not commit any acts described in (4) and (5)
above, or engage in direct and public incitement to commit genocide, conspiracy to
commit genocide, attempt to commit genocide, or complicity in genocide, and
insofar as they do engage therein, that steps are taken towards their punishment
pursuant to Articles I, II, III and IV of the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.
(7) The State of Israel shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and
ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of
Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide; to that end, the State of Israel shall not act to deny or otherwise restrict
access by fact-finding missions, international mandates and other bodies to Gaza to
assist in ensuring the preservation and retention of said evidence.
(8) The State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give
effect to this Order within one week, as from the date of this Order, and thereafter
at such regular intervals as the Court shall order, until a final decision on the case is
rendered by the Court.
(9) The State of Israel shall refrain from any action and shall ensure that no action is
taken which might aggravate or extend the dispute before the Court or make it more
difficult to resolve.”

https://icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240216-pre-01-00-en.pdf
The illegitimate State of Israel is in flagrant violation of the law.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2024 17:29 utc | 182

That may be true, but Israel has no intention of sacrificing its IOF forces, the goal is US forces dying. In order to get that, you need a Syrian front opened.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 14:39 utc | 177
Iirc. Biden sent ~8000 us marines and amphibious craft to Israel in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7. Are they still there? If so, what are they doing there ?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 27 2024 17:35 utc | 183

Apparently they must have delayed because 26th was the last day of the hearings in the “illegal occupation and annexation advisory question” and they expected an answer of Israel before that date.
It would seem according to Haaretz yesterday that they sent a statement, that was given confidentially to South Africa, the plaintiff. Now it is to them to decide to release it, if I understood correctly.

Posted by: Tom3 | Feb 27 2024 17:40 utc | 184

Egypt Sells Out Palestinians for $10 Billion Loan Package
Posted by: ld | Feb 27 2024 12:02 utc | 169
Most Egyptians will never see a dime of this, even though they, like most Western taxpayers with their own government debts, will have to make the sacrifices
necessary for repayment.
This money will be used to buttress the power of the dictatorship to control its own population, more riot police, more crowd control equipment, more jails, etc.
The rest will go to grandiose buildings for the President and his cronies.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 27 2024 18:45 utc | 185

Al Qassem Daily SitRep
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2054901
Comment – tone has returned to the positive once again. Usual ambushes and IEDs. Apparently Atabs have nil ability to attack IDF helicopters. Confusing since Al-Wassem has been shooting and capturing drones for many weeks nowTBD
Tally of Merkavas claimed destroyed is 168

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2024 19:36 utc | 186

What happened to West Bank planned “Day of Rage” for today, the 27th?
What happened at the “UnityforPeace” online conference?
Also, scheduled today.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 27 2024 19:47 utc | 187

Not sure if this has been posted already but turns out the so-called ‘land bridge’ to israel via UAE, Jordan and KSA was yet another Zionist lie. These guys would be pathetically funny if they weren’t genocidal mofos:
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/israeli-lies-about-a-land-bridge-to-the-gulf-show-the-yemeni-blockade-is-working/

Posted by: Primitif | Feb 28 2024 2:02 utc | 188

Reposted from another thread……
Aaron Bushnell claimed he had secret knowledge of US troops fighting in Hamas tunnels under Gaza — just hours before setting himself on fire in an “extreme act of protest” against Israel, a close pal told The Post on Tuesday.
The 25-year-old airman — who served in the Air Force’s 70th Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) Wing.
“He told me on Saturday that we have troops in those tunnels, that it’s US soldiers participating in the killings,’’ the pal, whose ties to Bushnell have been verified by The Post, claimed.
“His actual job involves the processing of intelligence data. Some of what he was processing had to do with the Israeli Gaza conflict.”
One of the things he told me is that coming across his desk … was the US military was involved in the genocides going on in Palestine,’’ the friend said, referring to Israel’s war against the Palestinian terror group Hamas in Gaza.
“He told me that we had troops on the ground, you know, that were there and were killing large numbers of Palestinians.
“There’s just too many things I don’t know, but I can tell you that the tone of his voice just had something in it that told me he was scared,’’ the buddy said.
“I’ve never heard that tone come out of him.”
Posting source
https://nypost.com/2024/02/27/us-news/aaron-bushnell-claimed-secret-knowledge-of-us-forces-in-gaza/
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 28 2024 4:13 utc | 326

Posted by: Exile | Feb 28 2024 5:04 utc | 189