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February 25, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-062
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Babies are dying of malnutrition in Gaza while 2000 aid trucks await on the other side of the Rafah crossing …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 25 2024 14:08 utc | 1 Vague terms of a ceasefire ⁉️ Pressure on Israel’s government: Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 14:42 utc | 3 Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2024 14:31 utc | Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 14:48 utc | 4 Babies are dying of malnutrition in Gaza while 2000 aid trucks await on the other side of the Rafah crossing …. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 14:51 utc | 5 there seemed to me to be a sinister glee in his eyes, he hates this thing with a passion but his glint showed me, he’s definitely hiding something. Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 14:55 utc | 6 Gilbert Doctorow says there is a high chance Houthis now have Russian anti-ship weapons. The continuous tale of Empire of lies and a Thousand cuts. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 25 2024 15:02 utc | 7 Blocked by Zionist protesters. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2024 15:09 utc | 8 RE: Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 14:55 utc | 6 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:14 utc | 9 RE: Posted by: unimperator | Feb 25 2024 15:02 utc | 7 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:19 utc | 10 I saw a video of the IDF deliberately destroying food. I am at a loss for words and if you know me at all, this doesn’t happen. They are utterly removing for all time any moral legitimacy Maerica had left. Fucking disgusting. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:20 utc | 11 I trying to imagine the kind of person that can machine gun women or children. Such a person is the enemy of all mankind. Or the type of state that imposes a starvation siege on civilians. Such a state is the enemy of all mankind. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12 RE: I am at a loss for words and ***if you know me at all, this doesn’t happen. *** Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:34 utc | 13 RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:39 utc | 14 RE: RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:52 utc | 15 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2024 15:53 utc | 16 RE: Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2024 15:53 utc | 16 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 16:03 utc | 17 Western media has us believe that we’re just supposed to ignore the fact that an occupied people can resist by any means possible. Posted by: Deepthought | Feb 25 2024 16:13 utc | 18 A bloody opinion piece on Haaretz by former Israeli PM A Ehud Olmert on the current situation in Gaza and beyond. This is a copy to avoid the Haaretz paywall. Of course, given that the writer is just as Zionist as any of those he appears to criticise, it is full of euphemisms and does not dare to imagine anything worse than “reckless process will lead to Israel’s isolation in the international community as it has never experienced before.” The “reckless process” he refers to is euphemism for taking the genocide beyond Gaza to all of Occupied Palestine. The worry about “isolation in the international community”, more than anything, is really worry that the empire may not risk taking the genocide to all of West Asia using regular imperial troops. Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 25 2024 16:17 utc | 19 “It continues to be reconfirmed every day, that this is the combined aim of US/Israel… to set the ME ablaze…” I’m not a believer that there will ever be an extinction of all humanity. For the love of what’s left, that is pure, good and sacred, I hope for a thorough cleansing, lest the entire realm be polluted. It’s in process. Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 25 2024 16:35 utc | 21 Doctor Eleven @ 12 Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 16:42 utc | 23 But ‘why’ does the US/Israel want “to set the ME ablaze”? Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24 Jane@23….. Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP. It is and always has been a major component of their modus operandi. They are soulless and inhuman. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25 @Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 25 2024 16:59 utc | 26 RE Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 25 2024 16:35 utc | 21 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 16:59 utc | 27 “But ‘why’ does the US/Israel want “to set the ME ablaze”?” Posted by: oracle | Feb 25 2024 17:05 utc | 28 @Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24 RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 17:16 utc | 30 Jane@23….. Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP. Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 17:21 utc | 31 In this palistinian thread kindly put up by b Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 17:22 utc | 32 https://twitter.com/i/status/1760853248414544235 Posted by: ld | Feb 25 2024 17:46 utc | 33 user friendly from Haaretz Posted by: JAB | Feb 25 2024 17:53 utc | 34 Al-Manar: Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:05 utc | 35 “IMO the US knows it is broke. If they can get SA, Russia, China to retaliate in the ME then they will say ‘we are now at war’ so we have to freeze all the assets of these countries in the West…..Otherwise, I don’t see any rational of ‘getting’ the ME ablaze.” Posted by: Minaa | Feb 25 2024 18:09 utc | 36 Neo Liberal finance doesn’t work, because most humans can feel how much better off they were 50 years ago when there was some kind of market correlation between income and housing costs. Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 18:12 utc | 37
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24 Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:21 utc | 39 Vague terms of a ceasefire ⁉️ Posted by: Chas | Feb 25 2024 18:24 utc | 40 What the hell is wrong with these people, is it mass cognitive dissonance, due to being brainwashed by their media and government, it has a 1930’s Germany feel about it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:28 utc | 41 Well the month is up tomorrow. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:30 utc | 42 RE: Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2024 18:16 utc | 39 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:35 utc | 43 Revenge against God is impossible for obvious reasons. Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:36 utc | 44 What the hell is wrong with these people, is it mass cognitive dissonance, due to being brainwashed by their media and government, it has a 1930’s Germany feel about it. Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:48 utc | 45 Press TV: Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:59 utc | 46 Re: ICJ judgement on Provisional Posted by: Exile | Feb 25 2024 19:00 utc | 47 This discussion, between a couple of theologians (Chris Hedges & Shaul Magid) might get a bit too churchy for the refined tastes of some barflies, but I found it edifying, as usual when philosophical inquiries consult Hannah Arendt. Magid describes the absurd contortions comprising “liberal Zionism”:
https://scheerpost.com/2024/02/24/chris-hedges-the-death-of-liberal-zionism/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 25 2024 19:23 utc | 48 Gallant states the targeting of Hezbollah will intensify and is not afraid to turn Beirut into another “Gaza” … Blinken needs to send more “emergency” munitions shipments now! TASS: 🤔 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:33 utc | 50 That “plan” is finished. Another delusion bites the dust. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 51 That’s a stupid thing Bahrain is pulling, especially since their “King” was close to being overthrown not that long ago. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:42 utc | 52 RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:33 utc | 51 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:44 utc | 53 I assume that you give them too much credit, or perhaps, I just underestimate the quality of our modern Neo-Cons. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:51 utc | 54 RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 52 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:55 utc | 55 What about destroying the EU for good? Vassalizing it a bit more, Greek way? Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:00 utc | 56 “Jews are more malicious than Zionists. I’d like to suggest a useful paradigm to the bar: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:10 utc | 58 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25 Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Feb 25 2024 20:28 utc | 60 Well the month is up tomorrow. Posted by: Menz | Feb 25 2024 20:30 utc | 61 https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1761847293781909616?s=20 Posted by: liveload | Feb 25 2024 20:31 utc | 62 In what may turn out to be a major development, a Chinese diplomat reportedly said that the Palestinians were entitled to “armed struggle” against an occupying power. This invokes the anti-imperialist rhetoric of the past, rather than the recent Chinese emphasis on non-interference in sovereign countries’ internal affairs. This means that the “terrorist” rhetoric of the West in speaking of the events of Oct 7 is being undercut severely by a major power, and indeed a power that many in the Global South look to for leadership in such matters. Worth keeping an eye on. Posted by: coinherence | Feb 25 2024 20:33 utc | 63 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:10 utc | 59 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 20:39 utc | 64 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 52 Posted by: Ron | Feb 25 2024 20:39 utc | 65 Already I hold American Jews largely responsible for what is happening. Yes, there are many that do stand up and speak up, but until American Jews shut down the ADL and AIPAC- which are their lobbying agents – the bulk of American Jews remain responsible. When the shit hits the fan – or rather after – they will be left holding the bag. Perhaps they will be lucky to get deported to what’s left of Israel. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 20:43 utc | 66 Ps I would fit Donald Trump in my list of Zionist funded hucksters. Anyone who doesn’t think he serves the Zionist cause in return for money is delusional. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 67 robin williams made a follow up to good morning vietnam with another movie documentary called jacob the liar a story of jewish hope in the warsaw ghetto when all was lost where the world turned its back again and again and again and let the innocent yahu suffer alone. Posted by: todd | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 68 RE: Posted by: todd | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 69 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 21:16 utc | 69 “What about destroying the EU for good? Vassalizing it a bit more, Greek way?” Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 25 2024 21:22 utc | 70 canuck 58 Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 21:41 utc | 71 The conflation of support for Zionism with membership of the Jewish community is precisely what the Hasbara propagandists aim for. Posted by: bevin | Feb 25 2024 21:47 utc | 72 Not all palistinians are Hamas, Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 22:02 utc | 73 As usual, it is the young who bear the cost of this fantasy, whether it is American Jews who have to personally face resentment at Zionist manipulation of American politics and worry about spectacles like Charlottesville, or Israeli Jews who have to face economic disruption due to war and boycotts, and have to serve in the military to serve the fantasies of the old. Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:13 utc | 74
One of the (several) annoying and destructive aspects of casual comparisons of zionism to “Nazis” is the total lack of the most basic critical analysis. Such practices do nothing to aid Palestinians; nothing to accurately describe zionism. While the writer of such facile language may be attempting to evoke outrage against zionism, the effect is frequently quite the opposite: resort ad Nazi diverts and thereby dilutes the sense of moral outrage against what is actually happening NOW. More effective to discuss zionism on its own terms in the here-and-now.
Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 25 2024 22:15 utc | 75 Beven your logic is a very deceving ‘trojon horse’ the same one that deposed the great Jeremy Corbin leader of the biggest political party in Europe, undemocraticly. Exactly as you sell us here. He was bought down by accusations of antisemitism. Replaced with starmer, the mass murderer. Fool me once. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 22:17 utc | 76 US Intelligence expressed “low confidence” in Israel’s claims of Hamas influence in UNRWA. This result was spun by an unnamed US official speaking to Wall Street Journal as meaning the claim was “credible” rather than “uncorroborated” as originally stated. Previously, Blinken declared the claims were “highly, highly credible”. Posted by: jayc | Feb 25 2024 22:21 utc | 77 RE: Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 25 2024 21:22 utc | 71 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:23 utc | 78 Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 16:42 utc | 23 Details data were collected on every village in Palestine (using many paid informants and spies). That included lists of all inhabitants of every village, piles of data on them—literally early databases (had they learned from the Nazis?) Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:38 utc | 79 RE: Posted by: jayc | Feb 25 2024 22:21 utc | 78 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:44 utc | 80 RE: Israel’s Defence Minister vows fighting will continue against Hezbollah regardless of any pauses in Gaza. Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:56 utc | 81 I disagree. The U.S. by blowing up pipeline and extricating EU from Russia, as well as interrupting EU China deals, believes that EU stranglehold complete. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 23:07 utc | 82 RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 23:07 utc | 83 Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 23:31 utc | 83 ??? Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 23:40 utc | 84 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/middleeast/israel-embassy-man-on-fire.html Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 0:05 utc | 85 Honzo 83 Posted by: Giyane | Feb 26 2024 0:10 utc | 86 Man sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington
That certainly made a worldwide impression, 60 years ago. It even made an excruciating album-cover for Rage Against the Machine. My dearest teacher Thich Nhat Hanh has written about this form of protest. But if a tree falls in forest and nobody hears it… Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2024 0:12 utc | 88 My friends response to the man trying to immolate self Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26 2024 1:07 utc | 89 canuck 58 re: Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:38 utc | 80
Perhaps it’s because I have been “reading — carefully” Rabbi Stephen Wise’s letters; his autobiography; his son’s May, 1933 vicious vilification of NSDAP; Chaim Weizmann’s Autobiography, with its snide mention of how he collaborated with Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter to derail a peace initiative attempted by Woodrow Wilson such that the war was prolonged by a year; Michael Benson’s reporting on the activities of Jewish gangster Meyer Lansky & affiliated thugs to silence any and every attempt by German Americans to explain their position; the history of zionism starting from the Haskalah movement to Nordau’s Degeneration to Herzl’s Der Judenstaat that make statements like, “It’s reasonable to wonder whether zionists got ideas about data collection from Nazis” something that someone who had not mastered high school critical thinking-writing would write and defend. Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 1:19 utc | 91 Guy was an active service air force officer that set himself alight. BBC can only say ” a man” . Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 1:25 utc | 92 “Anyways, next 2 weeks seems to be either a Ceasefire or a raging fire across ME. One or the other, times up on the dock. But that’s just my opinion.” Posted by: Rain | Feb 26 2024 1:52 utc | 93 As soon as Hamas has no more hostages under its control, the zionist state can proceed to raze the ghetto and kill everyone no-holds barred. Posted by: Bill Marshall | Feb 26 2024 2:30 utc | 94 Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 1:19 utc | 92 Posted by: Jane | Feb 26 2024 2:45 utc | 95 ChasMark@76 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 26 2024 2:48 utc | 96 ChasMark@76 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 26 2024 2:48 utc | 97 “Regarding Rabbi Wise’s autobiography: he mentions that in mid-February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed him to arrange that “all 587,000 German Jews” leave Germany. Posted by: Jane | Feb 26 2024 3:17 utc | 98 I hope people are waking up to the fact that Bibi is bullshitting about “invading Gaza.” There’s no way the chickenshit IOF are going to risk having their heads, arms, legs or arses blown off by blundering into an ambush. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 26 2024 4:04 utc | 99 |
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