Palestine Open Thread 2024-062
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Posted by b on February 25, 2024 at 14:00 UTC | Permalink
next page »Pressure on Israel’s government:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PtdmfikvU
Mass protests-want Netanyahu gone-hostages back.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 14:42 utc | 3
Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2024 14:31 utc |
I’m repost from last thread my response about this, but after viewing your linked twitter and reading further the U.S. proposal, it’s worse for Gaza than I initially knew.
Hamas would be crazy to agree to that piece of garbage.
Considering all, especially todays Israel citizens protests… I hope Hamas realizes time is in their side, and to hold out.
Anyways: REPOST here:
“I’ve been reading and listening to various reports regarding the recent “humanitarian pause” agreement, Israel recently made some “wording” alterations, but overall, appears “agreeable”… appears back to Hamas currently. There are some Muslim commentators that believe this is a good “start”.
I guess also that Hamas and other Gaza resistance groups are having their hearts broke viewing all the starvation and deaths everywhere and very much desire humanitarian aid for their people.
All I know, watching Netanyahu’s recent video, in measured tone, assessing agreement and taking it to his cabinet for review and approval, … there seemed to me to be a sinister glee in his eyes, he hates this thing with a passion but his glint showed me, he’s definitely hiding something.
Anyways, as difficult as this path Gaza is on, something tells me to deviate or have a truce now, would only make things worse for Gazans.
Yes, I do hope Hamas rejects whatever “word adjustment” Israelis have proposed, I do think help is on the way. I recently read an article (can’t find at the moment) that the Houthis are ready to break blockade and run their ships in there. They made that announcement recently, and frankly, Houthis are pretty good at doing what they say.
Just throwing this out there for general discussion, although in a day or so, might be mute. Hamas & Israel will either have an agreement or not.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 13:17 utc | 155”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 14:48 utc | 4
Babies are dying of malnutrition in Gaza while 2000 aid trucks await on the other side of the Rafah crossing ....
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 25 2024 14:08 utc | 1
Blocked by Zionist protesters.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 14:51 utc | 5
there seemed to me to be a sinister glee in his eyes, he hates this thing with a passion but his glint showed me, he’s definitely hiding something.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 14:48 utc | 4
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Yep. Still reading Pappe's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.
If there is one thing you can bet the farm on, it is this: The Zios will lie.
Play word games.
Shift the goal posts. Do and say ANYTHING to get their way.
They want to kill all the Pals.
They might make a couple of feints to confuse things.
Don't fall for it!
Believe your friends (the Houthis), not your enemies (Net and the Zios).
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 14:55 utc | 6
Gilbert Doctorow says there is a high chance Houthis now have Russian anti-ship weapons. The continuous tale of Empire of lies and a Thousand cuts.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 25 2024 15:02 utc | 7
Blocked by Zionist protesters.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 14:51 utc | 5
Legitimate targets of violent resistance.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 25 2024 15:09 utc | 8
RE: Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 14:55 utc | 6
Agreed. It’s become so obvious, it’s to the point that any nation making a “US” agreement of any kind, anywhere, has got to know, it’s all crap and lies. I get the optics, the ICJ, all the “organizations” that Hamas is trying to look “reasonable & accommodating” for is necessary politically, but I’m sure even they privately wipe their butts with all these “drafts”.
Anyways, didn’t mean to get crass, but honestly, there’s just so much “politics” and BS lies that I can tolerate.
On the plus side, I have noticed more and more nations at the UN & UNSC, abruptly & vehemently calling out US garbage on the spot. For the last year it was pretty much just Russia, Iran and Syria doing it… now China, Brazil & Hungary & Belarus are getting more verbally agreed I’ve at these meetings.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:14 utc | 9
RE: Posted by: unimperator | Feb 25 2024 15:02 utc | 7
Cool! In my imagination, I see a dozen submarine drones popping their heads up in the Gaza sea area, then flying out and firing into Tel Aviv…
It’s just a dream… but keeps me going..
This however, is good enough.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:19 utc | 10
I saw a video of the IDF deliberately destroying food. I am at a loss for words and if you know me at all, this doesn't happen. They are utterly removing for all time any moral legitimacy Maerica had left. Fucking disgusting.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:20 utc | 11
I trying to imagine the kind of person that can machine gun women or children. Such a person is the enemy of all mankind. Or the type of state that imposes a starvation siege on civilians. Such a state is the enemy of all mankind.
I'm so sorry for our inaction. For my pathetic mewling. None of it is adequate, and while Claire Daly and others might make my heart leap knowing at least someone is giving voice to the voiceless my soul is crushed. I know I do nothing. I say nothing and even if I speak it's meaningless in a world without meaning. Media utterly compromised. Stenogrpahers for power bitching about Oscar nominations while babies die of starvation. In such a world how can the inane rules of law of our corrupt states have any force? Civilization itself cannot stand.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12
RE: I am at a loss for words and ***if you know me at all, this doesn't happen. ***
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:20 utc | 11
😂 same!🍺
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:34 utc | 13
RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12
I’ve no “rational” explanation, but I keep “seeing” an 11th hour rescue & siege breaker…
Maybe I just want to. Nevertheless, on the concrete ground side of things… Egypt warned of firing at all, let alone Gaza Rafah mowing the lawn operation… Egypt warned the ME would go up in flames if this happened during “Ramadan”…
Mostly, US bases.
It continues to be reconfirmed every day, that this is the combined aim of US/Israel… to set the ME ablaze…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:39 utc | 14
RE: RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 25 2024 15:25 utc | 12
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:39 utc | 14
As an illustration of Egypts Ramadan “concern” should Israel continue into Rafah:
Basic Iraq Hezbollah group says don’t get comfortable cuz we haven’t retaliated, we’re saving it!
“The current calm is a provisional tactic for a repositioning and re-deployment, and is in fact the calm before the storm ... We will not be satisfied with a small revenge, even with an equal revenge, and the occupier will regret every drop of pure blood that was shed on the holy land of Iraq,” he added.”
Imagine what Hamas-PIJ-Hezbollah and others have in store for the “Holy Land of Palestine”… especially when Israel starts beating worshippers going into Al Aqsa Mosque
“Calm before storm”… Indeed.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:52 utc | 15
In response to
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It continues to be reconfirmed every day, that this is the combined aim of US/Israel… to set the ME ablaze…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:39 utc | 14
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We are in a civilization war and the God Of Mammon cult's hold on the West/the RoW is at risk. This is an existential war for the God Of Mammon cult and its followers....as poor losers they may decide to off us all and as a species right now, it looks like we deserve to go extinct.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2024 15:53 utc | 16
RE: Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 25 2024 15:53 utc | 16
I’m not a believer that there will ever be an extinction of all humanity. For the love of what’s left, that is pure, good and sacred, I hope for a thorough cleansing, lest the entire realm be polluted. It’s in process.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 16:03 utc | 17
Western media has us believe that we’re just supposed to ignore the fact that an occupied people can resist by any means possible.
Do we remember when the colonist killed British subjects on Christmas Day??
Posted by: Deepthought | Feb 25 2024 16:13 utc | 18
A bloody opinion piece on Haaretz by former Israeli PM A Ehud Olmert on the current situation in Gaza and beyond. This is a copy to avoid the Haaretz paywall. Of course, given that the writer is just as Zionist as any of those he appears to criticise, it is full of euphemisms and does not dare to imagine anything worse than "reckless process will lead to Israel's isolation in the international community as it has never experienced before." The "reckless process" he refers to is euphemism for taking the genocide beyond Gaza to all of Occupied Palestine. The worry about "isolation in the international community", more than anything, is really worry that the empire may not risk taking the genocide to all of West Asia using regular imperial troops.
Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 25 2024 16:17 utc | 19
"It continues to be reconfirmed every day, that this is the combined aim of US/Israel… to set the ME ablaze…"
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 15:39 utc | 14
But 'why' does the US/Israel want "to set the ME ablaze"?
IMO the US knows it is broke. If they can get SA, Russia, China to retaliate in the ME then they will say 'we are now at war' so we have to freeze all the assets of these countries in the West.
They have already have the precedent of freezing Russia's Western assets two years ago..
Otherwise, I don't see any rational of 'getting' the ME ablaze.
I’m not a believer that there will ever be an extinction of all humanity. For the love of what’s left, that is pure, good and sacred, I hope for a thorough cleansing, lest the entire realm be polluted. It’s in process.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024
Precisely the sentiments manifested by numerous elements throughout contemporary history, lebensraum etc.
I feel certain this is a bottomline motivation/rationalization
for petroleum/energy resource dominance by the elite as well.
We all are the problem they wish to solve in mitigating their carbon footprints. All the same thing.
completely misguided and utterly Satanic.
Overpopulation is a NAZI sentiment and complete bullshit.
But you hear it all the time from those who might not sport traditional swastikas. Often they wear the American version (ye olde peace symbol)
as bumper stickers.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 25 2024 16:35 utc | 21
Doctor Eleven @ 12
"I trying to imagine the kind of person that can machine gun women or children. Such a person is the enemy of all mankind. "
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Pappe, Ethnic Cleansing, talks about the meticulous planning that preceded the ethnic cleansing. This was already in the thirtes.
Details data were collected on every village in Palestine (using many paid informants and spies). That included lists of all inhabitants of every village, piles of data on them---literally early databases (had they learned from the Nazis?), including lists of all males between the ages of 15 and 60 or thereabouts, their affiliations, any resistance activities or organizations they were affiliated with, also of course all of the religious and village leaders.
Pappe has a photo showing "Arab men of military age are rounded up and marched to a holding point in Tel-Aviv." Many men were simply executed as soon as the Zio-Zombies arrived in their villages.
My point: the savagery of shooting women and children is a given (just sayin')---but Arab men have also taken a terrible, terrible toll since the Zio-freak-zombies came to their shores and vowed to destroy them. The British facilitated militarily "castrating" Arab men (forcing them to disarm while letting the Zio-freaks arm up) so that they could not protect their society and their women and children.
Pappe's last photo shows an old Arab man, bent over, dressed in rags, with a stick planted in front of him to help him keep plodding along the barren ground, tents in the background: "An elderly refugee, Baqa'a refugee camp, Jordan." Heartbreaking. Of course Pappe chose this photo from among many---maybe because it shows a man broken in spirit.
Death to Zio-zombies!
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 16:42 utc | 23
But 'why' does the US/Israel want "to set the ME ablaze"?
IMO the US knows it is broke.
Posted by: canuck | Feb 25 2024 16:18 utc | 20
Yes. The Why: The grand strategy, since 2008, is to create Fortress America in the entire New World, with as many outposts on the other side of the oceans as can be maintained and exploited on a practical level. The idea of trashing the Iran nuke deal and ginning up a war with Russia in Ukraine are both directed at Europe, by isolating it economically from the Russo-Chinese-Global South axis for as long as possible, while looting it of manufacturing capacity, making it a captive market for American energy products and, down the road, food and manufactures from the new American high-tech industrial base based on German companies and skilled workers transplanted to the US, and control of Latin American resources. The sanctions 'against Russia' deindustrialized Germany and made the satraps of Europe absolute slaves of US hegemony. To keep them that way, the hot war in Ukraine will be reduced to a simmer or ended altogether, but a new cold war must be developed to keep European countries from turning east for help.
All this points to a US interest in doing something similar in the ME- they don't want a conflagration, they just want a constant source of conflict that isolates Europe. It is Netanyahoo that wants to escalate, so that he can stay out of jail and become, literally, a biblical hero, creating Greater Israel from the river to the sea (including from the Nile to the Red Sea, and from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean).
So far, the US has contained Nutty, while getting the isolation of Europe that it wants, but unlike Zelensky/Azov/Ukraine, Netanyahoo/Zionists/Israel have real leverage in the US halls of power. Israel has overstepped, and whichever course it takes its end as a Zionist entity is nigh. The problem for the US is to find a way of preventing things from going nuclear, and to manage the destruction of the Israeli state in such a way as to continue to isolate Europe from the ME, China and Russia. The current actions are just about buying time to figure out a new strategy to achieve these goals.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24
Jane@23..... Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP. It is and always has been a major component of their modus operandi. They are soulless and inhuman.
Cheers M
Rape Murder Pillage, for those keeping track.
Oddly enough, that same evil sentiment is openly embraced by Evangelical Protestantism.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25
@Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24
Excellent analysis, thanks!
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 25 2024 16:59 utc | 26
RE Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 25 2024 16:35 utc | 21
Agreed. My goodness, Eugenics was a legal practice (Bill Gates father invested in) in US until 1978, and is still illegally practiced here and rest of West. So yep, evil.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 16:59 utc | 27
"But 'why' does the US/Israel want "to set the ME ablaze"?"
Down the road, after the shit has hit the fan, who is going to take the blame?
Jews worldwide, because they did nothing to restrain the disaster and it will look like they are responsible. Which they are to a large degree. This will not be pretty.
Already I hold American Jews largely responsible for what is happening. Yes, there are many that do stand up and speak up, but until American Jews shut down the ADL and AIPAC- which are their lobbying agents - the bulk of American Jews remain responsible. When the shit hits the fan - or rather after - they will be left holding the bag. Perhaps they will be lucky to get deported to what's left of Israel.
It would serve them well to look ahead at the consequences of their actions. The judgement of roosting chickens.
Posted by: oracle | Feb 25 2024 17:05 utc | 28
@Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24
"Excellent analysis, thanks!"
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 25 2024 16:59 utc | 26
I second that thoughtful post.
RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24
I agree. But I’d is another tainted illusion of the US. I say that because they are calculating and see the EU through the lens of the US. I mean that literally, the states of the Americas each have their own state constitution etc and are bound together by/through Federal (was constitution, now Federal Reserve Bank) government. This is ingrained & status quo for over 400 years.
The EU project on the other hand, what 40-45 years about?
As a EuroCoin, Euro Commission. Mostly tiny statelets ?
Anyways, that “iron-grip” isn’t going to hold. We’re already seeing stress cracks in this little bit of pressure, wait till the whole Union goes belly up… each of them will break off and run to sign contracts with China, Russia, whoever will give them money.
For the EU, it’s been a fun, prosperous, lazy ride… but they are not fully saturated, indoctrinated to this “uniform EU technocrat Commission” that another maybe 80 years would have left them helpless.
So again… the US is deluded itself, thinking it’s going to “survive” on the carcass of EU. The “citizens” are already making the EU toss their “green plans” out the window, and again, EU hasn’t seen nothing yet as far as “pressure”.
For me, the ME is simple. The U.S./UK want control of all shipping lanes and oilfields import/export. That’s want the “normalization” with Israel was all about. Take Israel and gulf states, put an axe to axis of resistance, Russia and China all at the same time.
That “plan” is finished. Another delusion bites the dust.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 17:16 utc | 30
Jane@23..... Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP.
Rape Murder Pillage, for those keeping track.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25
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Actually, my point was more limited: the creation of databases to execute "population" plans quickly and efficiently.
The Nazis used Hollerith machines to create quasi-modern databases that were also used and amplified by the SS.
The Zionists appear to have used more old-fashioned technology for the same purpose: to create a database for use in various aspects of the ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 17:21 utc | 31
In this palistinian thread kindly put up by b
Comment after comment is right on the mark, all aware of this momment in time, and how pivital things are in Gaza and world wide implicating us and future Generations. Its gastly but we chosse and are brave enough to look and face it.not look away.
As psychopaths israel, american english leaders are unware that they will have to pay for their crimes, and not just financialy.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 17:22 utc | 32
https://twitter.com/i/status/1760853248414544235
italian police beating school children protesting genocide
https://twitter.com/i/status/1761720083640930463
boats trying to bring food bombed by Israel
https://twitter.com/i/status/1761674669533393270
Posted by: ld | Feb 25 2024 17:46 utc | 33
user friendly from Haaretz
https://archive.ph/2024.02.24-074819/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-22/ty-article-opinion/.premium/netanyahus-messianic-coalition-partners-want-an-all-out-regional-war/0000018d-d237-d06c-abbd-daf733870000">https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-22/ty-article-opinion/.premium/netanyahus-messianic-coalition-partners-want-an-all-out-regional-war/0000018d-d237-d06c-abbd-daf733870000">https://archive.ph/2024.02.24-074819/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-22/ty-article-opinion/.premium/netanyahus-messianic-coalition-partners-want-an-all-out-regional-war/0000018d-d237-d06c-abbd-daf733870000
"Gaza is just the introductory chapter, the platform this gang wants to build as the foundation upon which the real fight they are eyeing will be conducted: the battle for the West Bank and the Temple Mount.
The ultimate aim of this gang is “purging” the West Bank of its Palestinian inhabitants, cleansing the Temple Mount of its Muslim worshippers and annexing the territories to the state of Israel. The way to achieve this goal is blood-soaked. Israeli blood, in the state and in the territories it has been controlling for 57 years now, as well as Jewish blood in places elsewhere in the world. As well as a lot of Palestinian blood, of course, in the territories, in Jerusalem and if there is no alternative – also among Arab citizens of Israel.
This aim will not be achieved without extensive violent conflict. Armageddon. All-out war. In the south, in Jerusalem, in the territories of the West Bank and to the extent necessary also on the northern border. Such a war will bolster the impression that we are fighting for our lives, for our very existence. In a war for survival, it is permissible to do insufferable things, and the hilltop youth are proving daily that among them are many who are capable of precisely that.
This gang of pogromists has been successful in the first stage prior to the uproar and all-out war that they apparently hope will erupt here. They have taken control of the government of Israel and have made the man who heads it into their servant. The possibility that they will dismantle the government and kick the prime minister out of running the matters of state is not outlandish. It is a process that is taking place at this very moment, step by step."
Posted by: JAB | Feb 25 2024 17:53 utc | 34
Al-Manar:
17:40 Israeli media: Two missiles fell in the Dishon area in the Upper Galilee
17:39 Israeli drones attack the Lebanese Khiam city with two missiles
lol 😂 that was a quick whole 1 minute response time! 2 for 2… Hezbollah precise…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:05 utc | 35
"IMO the US knows it is broke. If they can get SA, Russia, China to retaliate in the ME then they will say 'we are now at war' so we have to freeze all the assets of these countries in the West.....Otherwise, I don't see any rational of 'getting' the ME ablaze."
What about destroying the EU for good? Vassalizing it a bit more, Greek way?
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 25 2024 18:09 utc | 36
Neo Liberal finance doesn't work, because most humans can feel how much better off they were 50 years ago when there was some kind of market correlation between income and housing costs.
The colonisation of Gaza is replicated all over the West, and we will soon realise that our turn is coming to be genocided by global capital.
Another ambulance guys told me when I had a panic attack ' why worry, it's not going to hurt until you actually hit the ground? ' .
If the West is attacking Europe, then this is the Jewish, not the Zionist plan. The revenge against Europe for 2 millennia of antisemitism. They will empower the people's that we white people colonised against us.
So all you darlings who think there are sane Jews, calm down , and wait your turn to be boiled alive. They want revenge for having been unChosen by God. Revenge against God is impossible for obvious reasons.
Jews are more malicious than Zionists.
Wait your turn.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 18:12 utc | 37
Netanyahu, speaking in an interview with CBS News, added he was meeting with staff later on Sunday to review a dual military plan that included the evacuation of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and an operation to destroy remaining Hamas battalions, which Israel says are located in Rafah in southern Gaza.“If we have a deal, it will be delayed somewhat, but it will happen. If we don’t have a deal, we’ll do it anyway,” he told CBS. [source: Al Jazeera]
Egyptian media reported on Sunday the resumption of negotiations between the Palestinian group Hamas and Israel over ceasefire and hostage exchange talks."Ceasefire negotiations resumed through meetings at the level of specialists held in Doha, followed by meetings in Cairo," the privately-owned Cairo News Channel reported, citing an informed Egyptian source.
Israel's War Cabinet decided late on Saturday to send a delegation to Qatar to have talks on a hostage exchange agreement with the Palestinian group Hamas, according to Israeli media. [source TRT World]
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 16:44 utc | 24
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Honzo, your comment was very informative and well thought out. I am sure that the Neo-Cons of both parties spend many hours thinking through these scenarios, but exactly who are the modern day neo-con realist, after Kissinger and Brzezinski? Surly not Blinken, Harrist, Yellen, Austin, Halland, Vilsack, Kerry: Not a Kissinger or Brzezinski among them. Bidens Foreign Affairs Advisor, Jake (the snake) Sullivan is a mental midget compared to previous US Neo-Cons advisors, while the two nasties of the Neo-Cons are of course Nuland and her husband; Robert Kagan: Still not foreign policy genius material. They are a nasty piece of work, but passing out cookies at a color revolution does not compare to a grand chess board, such as you laid it out in your comment.
I assume that you give them too much credit, or perhaps, I just underestimate the quality of our modern Neo-Cons.
Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:21 utc | 39
Vague terms of a ceasefire ⁉️
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1761447322368496091
Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2024 14:31 utc | 2
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This latest round of "negotiations" shows the Jews are not listening to Hamas. They made no response to the Hamas demand for the Jews to exit Gaza.
So this would be a good time for another Hamas attack beyond the Gaza fence to gather more prisoners. And it would be a good time for Hamas to make three more demands
-- No more Jewish interference with Gaza's use of its seacoast.
-- No more Jewish interference with Gaza's free use of its border with Egypt, and
-- No more Jewish interference with Gaza's free use of its airspace.
Posted by: Chas | Feb 25 2024 18:24 utc | 40
What the hell is wrong with these people, is it mass cognitive dissonance, due to being brainwashed by their media and government, it has a 1930’s Germany feel about it.
“This is a shocking data point. The Israeli Democracy Institute released a survey this week showing that over 2/3 of Jewish Israelis – 68% that is – opposed “the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time.”
It gets even worse – the survey lowered the bar to exclude any possible opposition to either UNRWA (which Israel has been inciting against) or the Hamas authorities (which Israel considers terrorists). To no avail. Over two-thirds still oppose humanitarian help “via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA… A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions,” the survey notes.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:28 utc | 41
Well the month is up tomorrow.
“In a historic interim judgment, the UN court in The Hague told Israel it must “take all measures within its power” to desist from killing Palestinians in contravention of the genocide convention, and to prevent and punish the incitement of genocide and facilitate the provision of “urgent basic services”. But the ruling stopped short of ordering a ceasefire to the war in Gaza.
After Friday’s ruling, attention turned to whether Israel would comply with the order – given that the court has no enforcement powers – and what pressure its diplomatic and military backers would bring to bear on it to do so.”
Has Israel did everything in its power to prevent civilian deaths? Has it f*ck, the ICJ MUST call for an immediate ceasefire and begin a case against those that have perpetrated and helped perpetrate genocide against the oppressed Palestinians.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:30 utc | 42
RE: Posted by: Oui | Feb 25 2024 18:16 utc | 39
Thx Oui. Rather confirms they got no deal, and pretty much know they won’t.
“***Netanyahu, speaking in an interview with CBS News, added he was meeting with staff later on Sunday to review a dual military plan that included the evacuation of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and an operation to destroy remaining Hamas battalions, which Israel says are located in Rafah in southern Gaza.
“If we have a deal, it will be delayed somewhat, but it will happen. If we don’t have a deal, we’ll do it anyway,” he told CBS. [source: Al Jazeera]”
WTH does: “if we don’t have a deal, we’ll do it anyway” even mean?? Do what?
Swear the guy is a fruit bar.
There’s no “deal”… and with his twisted mind, guess he’s referring to Rafah and/or West Bank invasion that he was planning “either way”…
His “glee glint” in his eyes is becoming clearer…
Unless I’m too believe, without a deal, his intent is a temporary ceasefire, delivering aide, and releasing Palestinian prisoners out of a Ramadan respector for the Arab citizens and the Muslim world.
Good grief… I actually tried to penetrate the mind of a homocidal psychopath… save me!
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:35 utc | 43
Revenge against God is impossible for obvious reasons.
Jews are more malicious than Zionists.
Wait your turn.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 18:12 utc | 38
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"Revenge against God is impossible for obvious reasons." Well, of course God dosen't exist.
"Jews are more malicious than Zionists." But now you left yourself open to the charge of anti-Semitism. Something I see a lot of on MoA these days. I guess it was to be expected.
Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:36 utc | 44
What the hell is wrong with these people, is it mass cognitive dissonance, due to being brainwashed by their media and government, it has a 1930’s Germany feel about it.
“This is a shocking data point. The Israeli Democracy Institute released a survey this week showing that over 2/3 of Jewish Israelis – 68% that is – opposed “the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:28 utc | 42
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It is not just Israel: It turns out the Media is a far more powerful tool then we were led to believe by the owners of this monstrosity of mind control. Media is a tool for hate and war by the Ruling Classes.
"Muslims, Democrats and social media users expressed their displeasure on Wednesday with remarks made by Republican Representative Andy Ogles of Tennessee, who responded to an activist’s question about the deaths of Palestinian children in Gaza by asserting that 'we should kill ‘em all'."
Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:48 utc | 45
Press TV:
“The US and UK said in a joint statement on Saturday that their latest military action against Yemen had targeted 18 sites in eight locations across the country.
It went on to say that the attacks were supported by Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands and New Zealand.”
Funny how this chickenshit NATO never attacks anyone its own size. Guess Bahrain obviously a shadow NATO member.
That’s a stupid thing Bahrain is pulling, especially since their “King” was close to being overthrown not that long ago.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:59 utc | 46
Re: ICJ judgement on Provisional
measures (this week)
The ICJ only makes a judgement. It’s up to the internationall community or individual national governments to determine enforcement -punishment.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 25 2024 19:00 utc | 47
This discussion, between a couple of theologians (Chris Hedges & Shaul Magid) might get a bit too churchy for the refined tastes of some barflies, but I found it edifying, as usual when philosophical inquiries consult Hannah Arendt. Magid describes the absurd contortions comprising "liberal Zionism":
But liberal Zionism is in a defensive mode at this point. Because you have a group of people who consider themselves liberal Zionists, who are committed to liberal ideas, who are committed to equality, who are committed to justice, and they’re supporting a state that’s not committed to those values and not committed to those ideas. So the question is, what value does it have for a liberal movement to support an illiberal state? Now, we can argue about the nature of the state but one of the things that is the underside of democracy is that the people that are living in the state choose the state. It’s not that Netanyahu won in a fluke election; Netanyahu has been winning for a long time. The Israeli left not only is now in the opposition, but the Israeli left didn’t make enough votes to be in the government at all. So we’re in a situation where, my perspective is that liberal Zionism doesn’t have any new ideas, partly because the country that it supports has chosen a different path.
https://scheerpost.com/2024/02/24/chris-hedges-the-death-of-liberal-zionism/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 25 2024 19:23 utc | 48
Gallant states the targeting of Hezbollah will intensify and is not afraid to turn Beirut into another “Gaza” … Blinken needs to send more “emergency” munitions shipments now!
What ceasefire … fu*k Biden.
TASS: 🤔
DUBAI, February 25. /TASS/. Head of the internationally-recognized Yemeni government Ahmed Awad bin Mubarak has set off for an official visit to Moscow, the Yemeni Saba news agency reported.
According to the news agency, the Yemeni prime minister plans to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Deputy Prime Minister Alexey Overchuk, speaker of the State Duma, or lower house of parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin, and speaker of the Federation Council upper house of parliament Valentina Matviyenko.
Among the topics to be discusses in Moscow are issues of bilateral relations, certain aspects on the regional agenda, *******as well as "Russia’s role in promoting security and peace inn Yemen," the agency said.*****(?)
Ahmed Awad bin Mubarak was appointed Yemeni Prime Minister on February 5 while continuing to serve as Foreign Minister. This is his first foreign visit in the new capacity.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:33 utc | 50
That “plan” is finished. Another delusion bites the dust.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 17:16 utc | 30
Notice that US still has a stranglehold on sea routes through the Persian Gulf and Red Sea. Just because Yemen and Iran also have such strangleholds doesn't matter, because the current and foreseeable interest of the US is to strangle Europe. The kayfabe in the Red Sea accomplishes that perfectly for the time being.
The idea that the real powers of the west are stupid, uninformed, incompetent and delusional is unfounded and serves the interests of the very clever, very well informed (better than anyone here), very competent and very reality-based ruling class. It's not necessary to be stupid or delusional to lose a game of chess, especially if there's a rule that ten percent of your pieces will go over to the enemy every ten turns. Capitalism has such rules built into it.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 51
That’s a stupid thing Bahrain is pulling, especially since their “King” was close to being overthrown not that long ago.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 18:59 utc | 47
What's stupid is thinking that Bahrain is an independent actor. It was created as it exists to guarantee dependence on colonial powers for the survival of its ruling elite. Even if that leadership suddenly had a communist epiphany, Bahrain is occupied by major elements of US military force. That occupation is, in fact, part and parcel of their 'support' for Operation Preposterous Haurdon.
"Man, that Punch dude is a complete psycho. Why isn't he in therapy?"
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:42 utc | 52
RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:33 utc | 51
In regards, and expansion of my own post above:
This to me, sudden and improvised meeting with Yemen appears critical.
Anyone that’s been following Russian politics, knows that a meeting with the State Duma, lower and upper houses, means that whatever this meeting is about, it requires “legislation” must be implemented.
They don’t have Willy-nilly meets with these reps.
“According to the news agency, the Yemeni prime minister plans to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Deputy Prime Minister Alexey Overchuk, speaker of the State Duma, or lower house of parliament, Vyacheslav Volodin, and speaker of the Federation Council upper house of parliament Valentina Matviyenko.”
Valentina is a State Senator’s I believe, and generally introduces bills.
Anyways, curious & curiouser…
Maybe they want to buy an “an AD system?”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:44 utc | 53
I assume that you give them too much credit, or perhaps, I just underestimate the quality of our modern Neo-Cons.
Posted by: Ed | Feb 25 2024 18:21 utc | 40
The neocons don't understand the New Narrative or the New Strategy. They can't, they were selected and designed for the Old Narrative and the Old Strategy, they are obsolete and are being replaced. The narrative shift is well underway- prepared by Larry Johnson, Colonel MacGregor, the whole Judge Nap crew, and kicked into high gear by Tucker Carlson. Now Christine Amanpour and PBS are starting to chime in. The turn around is stunning in its rapidity, but the ground has been prepared for a long time. We have always been at war with East Asia. You have to look past the public operatives to the interests of the string-pullers in the Americentric global financial class. They are paying everyone with significant reach in the public sphere. They're strategies are not the strategies their minions proclaim.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:51 utc | 54
RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 52
I disagree. The U.S. by blowing up pipeline and extricating EU from Russia, as well as interrupting EU China deals, believes that EU stranglehold complete.
The ME is about China & Russia only. That’s my opinion.
As for Bahrain, of course it’s a colonial puppet, but a ruling minority over an opposing majority won’t last indefinitely.
As we’ve seen in Niger, Burko Faso, Malaysia & other installed colonial rulers. Not saying it’ll happen tomorrow, but the Gaza “event” is upsetting a lot of citizens and causing embers to burn.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 19:55 utc | 55
What about destroying the EU for good? Vassalizing it a bit more, Greek way?
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 25 2024 18:09 utc | 37
Yes, that's the goal, but a limited fire is all that's needed for that at this point. A real conflagration is an extreme existential risk to the PTB (and civilization on earth), and it's unnecessary. The Americentric leadership of the global financial system doesn't want nuclear war, they wanted contained forever wars in specific locations. Netanyahoo may be off the leash, though, for purely personal reasons: He doesn't want to go to prison, originally for fraud, but now absolutely for war crimes and crimes against humanity. He'd prefer to be the Hero of Zionism for all time, and he's perfectly willing to risk his and everyone else's lives on his gamble. The psychotic American neocons and nazi-aligned neolibs may go along with him for their own reasons, but they don't really need to do anything, he can light things off without their help.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:00 utc | 56
"Jews are more malicious than Zionists.
Wait your turn."
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 18:12 utc | 38
That is a retarded statement; perhaps you are emotionally overwrought or you took a bunch of pills , or both: whatever activity you are doing that negatively affecting your brain kindly please discontinue as you make no sense.
I'd like to suggest a useful paradigm to the bar:
Ideology is simply the expression of particular class interests. Those interests have persistent elements over time, chief of which is the survival of the class itself, and the class system that it is a part of, but the particular interest change because the world changes.
The ideologues that represent the interests of the ruling class at one historical moment are not capable of representing the interests of that same ruling class at another historical moment, and so must be replaced from time to time with different ideologues who better fit the current needs of their rulers.
Ideologues, and ideologies, have a life of their own. They have true believers, who follow the logic of their beliefs. Removing a dominant ideology from power is a difficult, complex and time-consuming project, and the possibility of failure is always present.
I think that the careful application of this paradigm may help some barflies get ahead of the curve and more reliably predict events, at least in their broad outlines.
It's not the case that Big Brother can simply get on the TV and announce 'We have always been at war with East Asia." He needs to be replaced from time to time by Wise Uncle, or Younger Brother, or even Big Sister, for the change to be swallowed by the masses. That's what's going on now in the west.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:10 utc | 58
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25
"Oddly enough, that same evil sentiment [Rape Murder Pillage] is openly embraced by Evangelical Protestantism."
Can you back that up?
Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Feb 25 2024 20:28 utc | 60
Well the month is up tomorrow.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 25 2024 18:30 utc | 43
I suspect the ICJ will be slapping Israel with a feather given the amount of pressure on it from the USA, but Israel will be associated with the stench of genocide for decades into the future. It will be seen as a Pariah state by most, well into the future.
Posted by: Menz | Feb 25 2024 20:30 utc | 61
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1761847293781909616?s=20
Active duty airforce immolates himself in front of the Zionazi embassy in DC.
Posted by: liveload | Feb 25 2024 20:31 utc | 62
In what may turn out to be a major development, a Chinese diplomat reportedly said that the Palestinians were entitled to "armed struggle" against an occupying power. This invokes the anti-imperialist rhetoric of the past, rather than the recent Chinese emphasis on non-interference in sovereign countries' internal affairs. This means that the "terrorist" rhetoric of the West in speaking of the events of Oct 7 is being undercut severely by a major power, and indeed a power that many in the Global South look to for leadership in such matters. Worth keeping an eye on.
If Israel is a colonialist project, it may not enjoy legitimate sovereignty at all, and certainly lacks any moral standing to claim that armed resistance to its occupations as "terrorism".
Posted by: coinherence | Feb 25 2024 20:33 utc | 63
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 20:10 utc | 59
In thoughtfully reading all your posts, I can only glean you are in denial of the collapse of the Western economic order and Empire.
It has nothing to do with “Capitalism” or any “ism”… or with being savy, clever (cleverer than anyone here) educated or realistic.
Plain and simple… it’s corruption. It’s corrupt to the core, every faucet of every power lever is corrupt. Banks are eating banks, rich are eating rich, and the weight of the corruption is collapsing the Empire.
There is no Wise Uncle, or Younger Brother or Big Sister on the horizon in any Western capitol. Just facism & totalitarianism on deck.
Colonel McGregor and the like, simply see an isolated, degraded, collapsed USSR like for the USA on the stoop of their porch and are hoping to be there to bring it back to life once it’s dead.
There are a lot of people that think this is some “global plan” to usher in a “global order” and the ever clever “ruling class” got it all gamed out, and it’s all going “according to plan”.
I think the West is toast, the Empire is done. There’s no “World Global Order” out there. Corruption has an end.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 20:39 utc | 64
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 19:36 utc | 52
The idea that the real powers of the west are stupid, uninformed, incompetent and delusional is unfounded and serves the interests of the very clever, very well informed (better than anyone here), very competent and very reality-based ruling class. It's not necessary to be stupid or delusional to lose a game of chess, especially if there's a rule that ten percent of your pieces will go over to the enemy every ten turns. Capitalism has such rules built into it.
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Your analyses make sense... I think it's true that the US wants to delimit what Nutjob wants to take. It's also true that even Nutjob knows going nuclear is not really an option (the Samson scenario doesn't apply because the existence of Israel isn't really threatened, and the US is still strong enough to ensure that, even though the US empire has to gradually retrench and learn to deal with emerging multipolarity) -- for this it has its various satraps including Europe and increasingly India within BRICS even...
The predictions of the demise of the US seem to be grossly exaggerated -- with onshoring of production and revival of manufacturing, given ready raw material supplies available from various vassals, it's still pretty formidable. What Nutjob is trying to do I think is drag the US into a larger conventional war in the ME... But this is all speculation anyhow, and how it will unfold no one can say, I believe...
Cheers, Ron
Posted by: Ron | Feb 25 2024 20:39 utc | 65
Already I hold American Jews largely responsible for what is happening. Yes, there are many that do stand up and speak up, but until American Jews shut down the ADL and AIPAC- which are their lobbying agents - the bulk of American Jews remain responsible. When the shit hits the fan - or rather after - they will be left holding the bag. Perhaps they will be lucky to get deported to what's left of Israel.
Posted by: oracle | Feb 25 2024 17:05 utc | 28
The problem is generational. The old farts in Florida, usually rich, are the hardcore Zionists despite not living there. Chief among them are the Adelsons, Paul Singer and Chaim Saban, among others.
Still filled with Zionist delusions, they use their money to support a dream that doesn't exist, and hucksters, both Jewish and not, are there to collect, be it to promote hatred of Muslims like Pamela Geller, Ezra Levant and "Brigitte Gabriel", evangelical Zionist fetishists like Hagee, or political propagandists like Ben Shapiro.
As usual, it is the young who bear the cost of this fantasy, whether it is American Jews who have to personally face resentment at Zionist manipulation of American politics and worry about spectacles like Charlottesville, or Israeli Jews who have to face economic disruption due to war and boycotts, and have to serve in the military to serve the fantasies of the old.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 20:43 utc | 66
Ps I would fit Donald Trump in my list of Zionist funded hucksters. Anyone who doesn't think he serves the Zionist cause in return for money is delusional.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 67
robin williams made a follow up to good morning vietnam with another movie documentary called jacob the liar a story of jewish hope in the warsaw ghetto when all was lost where the world turned its back again and again and again and let the innocent yahu suffer alone.
only with the help of robin williams funny voices pretending to be a radio wireless from usa usa uk this is london calling london calling do the ghetto folk rise.
we can never forget the never again never again we have to pray to baal molech and maria abramovich puss blood and the khazharian crime syndicate operational heads that the judges on monday
watch schindlers list before they make any rush to judgements the temple will rise the red heffers already gmo reanimated how can satan return without the new temple without israel being mighty once more
the world government order must be jerusalem base
my life already rachmanism
Posted by: todd | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 68
RE: Posted by: todd | Feb 25 2024 20:57 utc | 69
Fascinating imagination…I actually visualized the whole skit.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 21:16 utc | 69
"What about destroying the EU for good? Vassalizing it a bit more, Greek way?"
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 25 2024 18:09 utc | 37
I wouldn't underestimate the European citizenry. They are so often characterized as she but that has limits in my view.
And the situation has changed in Europe. In the event the EU ups its level of violence towards its citizen, large numbers of weapons are available on the black market.
Think the yellow vestment armed with RPGs. Should any Mass arrests start occurring I suspect things will move in that direction very quickly. Europe will burn.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 25 2024 21:22 utc | 70
canuck 58
Retarded. Yes retarded indeed the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, 2024 years after his pbuh rather public prophetic mission to them.
And 1443 years and waiting late to recognise the Great prophet mentioned as 'still to come' in the Gospels.
They have really and truly missed the boat.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 21:41 utc | 71
The conflation of support for Zionism with membership of the Jewish community is precisely what the Hasbara propagandists aim for.
Many, perhaps a majority, of Jews are opposed to Zionism as a project, many more are appalled by the genocide being carried out in their name.
Among the most perceptive and consistent opponents of the genocide and the best champions of the Palestinian cause are many who identify themselves as Jews.
The only purpose served by blaming Jews, per se, for what is being done in Palestine is to attract the support of fascists and racists. The people of Palestine can do without that support.
Zionism is founded on antisemitism, it craves it, creates it and lives off it. It always has done. Fighting Zionism includes fighting anti-semitism.
Nothing is more pleasing to Hasbara than to review comments on sites like this one and discover attacks on Jews assuming that they are automatically friends of Israel.
AIPAC is controlled and financed by a small class of oligarchs, by no means all of them Jewish, who control Congress as much in their own interest as capitalists as in the interests of Israeli fascism.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 25 2024 21:47 utc | 72
Not all palistinians are Hamas,
Funny thing is hardly anyone in the west seems to care.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 22:02 utc | 73
As usual, it is the young who bear the cost of this fantasy, whether it is American Jews who have to personally face resentment at Zionist manipulation of American politics and worry about spectacles like Charlottesville, or Israeli Jews who have to face economic disruption due to war and boycotts, and have to serve in the military to serve the fantasies of the old.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 25 2024 20:43 utc | 67
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It's hard to feel sorry for any Jews anywhere at this point.
Certainly not "Israeli Jews who have to face economic disruption."
Give me a break.
Let them eat cake.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:13 utc | 74
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 16:42 utc | 23 Details data were collected on every village in Palestine (using many paid informants and spies). That included lists of all inhabitants of every village, piles of data on them---literally early databases (had they learned from the Nazis?)Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25
Jane@23..... Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP. It is and always has been a major component of their modus operandi. They are soulless and inhuman. . . . Rape Murder Pillage . . .
Oddly enough, that same evil sentiment is openly embraced by Evangelical Protestantism.
One of the (several) annoying and destructive aspects of casual comparisons of zionism to “Nazis” is the total lack of the most basic critical analysis. Such practices do nothing to aid Palestinians; nothing to accurately describe zionism. While the writer of such facile language may be attempting to evoke outrage against zionism, the effect is frequently quite the opposite: resort ad Nazi diverts and thereby dilutes the sense of moral outrage against what is actually happening NOW. More effective to discuss zionism on its own terms in the here-and-now.
The material below is from an Australian website offering resources to high school students on developing writing skills.
How to Write a Comparative Essay
https://www.insightpublications.com.au/writing-a-comparative-essay/#:~:text=The%20broad%20structure%20of%20a,ideas%20your%20essay%20will%20explore.
”Make sure that you understand exactly what the topic is asking . . . [Is your comparison to be a] broad thematic comparison, which requires a thoughtful understanding of the ways a particular theme is explored? . . .necessitates a very thorough knowledge of [the elements being compared], as you need to recognise the context of each . . ., identify the key ideas being addressed in each, and understand how these ideas are explored in each . . .
The final body paragraphs pull this material together and discuss the similarities and differences between the . . . approach to the central ideas explored in the essay. This structure appears straightforward, but it can be challenging to maintain a strong connection between the [situations] when discussing them in isolation. A careful use of linking words is essential to ensure that the essay is cohesive and the comparison of [each situation] remains at the fore.
Focus on differences as well as similarities
We tend to be very alert to similarities, which are usually relatively simple to identify; however, often the most interesting discussion will devolve from a consideration of the differences. These provide an opportunity to explore contrasting situations and points of view, thus demonstrating your engagement with both [of the historical situations} and the ideas they present.
Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 25 2024 22:15 utc | 75
Beven your logic is a very deceving 'trojon horse' the same one that deposed the great Jeremy Corbin leader of the biggest political party in Europe, undemocraticly. Exactly as you sell us here. He was bought down by accusations of antisemitism. Replaced with starmer, the mass murderer. Fool me once.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 25 2024 22:17 utc | 76
US Intelligence expressed “low confidence” in Israel’s claims of Hamas influence in UNRWA. This result was spun by an unnamed US official speaking to Wall Street Journal as meaning the claim was “credible” rather than “uncorroborated” as originally stated. Previously, Blinken declared the claims were “highly, highly credible”.
Israel continues to target UNRWA infrastructure in Gaza, alongside daily charges and counter-charges of a “war of words” between Israeli officials and representatives across numerous United Nations offices. Israel effectively declared war on the UN on the day of the ICJ’s initial judgement, and this defiance will likely continue until a new set of representatives appear in Israel. A report demanded by the ICJ of Israel is now due. Chances are nothing will be submitted, while the sides supporting the Palestinians will have meticulously documented the atrocities of the past month.
This is creating time pressure for the US, which is trying to force through a “pause” in the fighting for a hostage release and a related UNSC resolution with language blaming Hamas for all the trouble. Such a resolution will be used to absolve Israel on the way to making everything “normal” once again. Even in the U.S. however, it is becoming understood, and even spoken aloud, that arms transfers to Israel constitutes the single most effective leverage held by any of the players - specifically the U.S. - but the Biden administration refuses to apply it even as it claims to be frequently ”disappointed” by its client. Blinken and Sullivan are reportedly in daily contact with Israel's Ron Dermer.
Israel’s Defence Minister vows fighting will continue against Hezbollah regardless of any pauses in Gaza.
“Gallant said the goal is ‘to get Hezbollah to retreat to where it needs to be. Either by agreement, or by force’. “ (Haaretz)
Posted by: jayc | Feb 25 2024 22:21 utc | 77
RE: Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 25 2024 21:22 utc | 71
Well, here in the US, Biden doesn’t worry about “armed resistance”… he’ll just Nuke us, well after bombing us with F16s —- lol 😂
Yup… the land of “liberty”…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:23 utc | 78
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 16:42 utc | 23 Details data were collected on every village in Palestine (using many paid informants and spies). That included lists of all inhabitants of every village, piles of data on them---literally early databases (had they learned from the Nazis?)
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 25 2024 16:53 utc | 25
Jane@23..... Zionists and Nazis, one and the same, excell at RMP. It is and always has been a major component of their modus operandi. They are soulless and inhuman. . . . Rape Murder Pillage . . .
Oddly enough, that same evil sentiment is openly embraced by Evangelical Protestantism.
One of the (several) annoying and destructive aspects of casual comparisons of zionism to “Nazis” is the total lack of the most basic critical analysis....
Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 25 2024 22:15 utc | 76
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Thanks for pairing my comment with one that totally missed my point, and for neglecting to notice my comment where I pointed out that my point had been missed.
I was very surprised to read of the careful, data-driven preparation for the efficient ethnic cleansing of Palestine in Pappe's book. It is certainly reasonable to wonder, parenthetically, whether Zionists got any ideas on such demographic data collection from the Nazi regime.
It is you who are making broad-brush comparisons and pompous declarations. Read more carefully.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:38 utc | 79
RE: Posted by: jayc | Feb 25 2024 22:21 utc | 78
Sounds like a lot of delay motions. China is a step ahead of the coming UNSC “blame Hamas” resolution coming & pretty much stated their position at ICJ. I’d be surprised if any resolution like that passed, as US has attempted 4xs to pass that.
I think it’s all going to come down to the GA over riding (which they have the power to do) and order an actionable resolution. The question is, how many Nations would support it in a vote? I believe it would be very simple, something like: Permanent Ceasefire / Open Aide Borders Immediately / Release all hostages.
Something the majority of GA members would respond positively too.
I believe they would also implement an enforcement measure for aid delivery of some kind.
Anyways, next 2 weeks seems to be either a Ceasefire or a raging fire across ME. One or the other, times up on the dock. But that’s just my opinion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:44 utc | 80
RE: Israel’s Defence Minister vows fighting will continue against Hezbollah regardless of any pauses in Gaza.
“Gallant said the goal is ‘to get Hezbollah to retreat to where it needs to be. Either by agreement, or by force’. “ (Haaretz)
Posted by: jayc | Feb 25 2024 22:21 utc | 78
Oh btw, isn’t interesting how Israel politicians use word speak the same as US politicians? Threatening Hezbollah to “retreat where it needs to be”… knowing full well Hezbollah is on their own land, in their own Country, but refuses to do what Israel tells them to and go on their own land where Israel tells them to go… how dare they? And the carrot & stick crap like US… “by agreement or by force”!
They think this verbiage make them look “strong & mighty”,
When in reality, it reveals their stupid and weak.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:56 utc | 81
I disagree. The U.S. by blowing up pipeline and extricating EU from Russia, as well as interrupting EU China deals, believes that EU stranglehold complete.
The ME is about China & Russia only. That’s my opinion.
| Feb 25 2024 19:55 utc | 56
The subjugation of Europe can't be reversed by the Euro-peons on their own. The need help from Russia, China or at the very least, ME oil at cheap prices. If they get any of this before the deindustrialization of their manufacturing is complete, an input of cheap energy will allow them to rebuild their economies. In the meantime, they have to be isolated from substantive help from the Axis of Resistance and/or the Global South. The SMO now, and the new cold war later, will suffice for Russian energy, but the constriction of the Red Sea route has to be maintained also. So, a level of conflict in the ME that can justify military action and/or sanctions in the area needs to be kept going, and the Europeons have to be kept divided, at least, on the issues of the ME. Right now, without the USUK/Yemen shutting down the Red Sea, Europe would pivot rapidly to abandoning Israel and making nice with Iran to keep the oil flowing. US can't have that.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 23:07 utc | 82
RE: Posted by: Honzo | Feb 25 2024 23:07 utc | 83
I see what you mean now. Well, this ploy may work a bit, but as you can see, they’re “Coalition of the Prosperity of Guardians” or whatever the latest idiot name they give an operation to, didn’t garner a lot of EU support. Think they finally got Denmark & the Netherlands in on their deal.
If “division” is the goal, they’ll probably succeed with some nation states “dividing” themselves right out of the EU.
That may be simplistic view, but again, if they didn’t have their pesky populaces to deal with, their ships would unfurl their flags and be running right alongside of them.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 23:31 utc | 83
???
https://www.rt.com/news/593158-man-self-immolates-embassy/
Man sets himself of fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington
He was reportedly protesting the ongoing war in Gaza
“shows that the man was wearing a military uniform and described himself as “an active duty member of the US Air Force.”
According to Jane, the man said “I will no longer be complicit in genocide” and shouted “Free Palestine.” The journalist posted a graphic photo of a man engulfed in flames”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 23:40 utc | 84
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/middleeast/israel-embassy-man-on-fire.html
Man in uniform self immolate outside Israel embassy in new York while live streaming
, “I am about to engage in an extreme act of protest, but compared to what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers, it is not extreme at all... This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal."
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 0:05 utc | 85
Honzo 83
President Berserki of Northern Iraq has been stopped by the ICC from selling Kurdish Oil , because his and the other main Party embezzled all the funds and paid no.municipal wages pensions etc. Oil sales have now been taken back into Baghdad control and wages are being paid direct to local cities.
Obama's plan was Islamic State Israeli proxies to terrorise Kurdistan into submission. Iran was used to attack Mosul after the proxies had achieved their goals.
So not all the names being sent to Israel by the US will be signed by Brett McGurk for Gaza Yemen and Hezbullah. Some of them will be sent to bomb Northern Iraq, after Mossad's office was trashed in Erbil by Iran.
The blood-curdling threats by Netanyahu against Palestinians sre exactly the same as the blood-curdling threats by his kinsman Shimon Baghdadi.
USUKIS is like a headless Giant living in cloud cuckoo lsnd after its chicken that laid the golden eggs, in Ukraine, in West Asia and in the Far East has been stolen.
Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of an English man
Be he alive or be he dead, I'll grind his bones to make my bread.
Whoever blew up Nordstream, and attacked Al Aqsa, wanted to increase the price of oil. Maybe to make green energy more competitive.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 26 2024 0:10 utc | 86
Man sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington
@ Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 23:40 utc | 85
Recapitulating a vivid protest against USA's war on Vietnam:
Thích Quảng Đức was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963.
That certainly made a worldwide impression, 60 years ago. It even made an excruciating album-cover for Rage Against the Machine. My dearest teacher Thich Nhat Hanh has written about this form of protest. But if a tree falls in forest and nobody hears it...
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2024 0:12 utc | 88
My friends response to the man trying to immolate self
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Damn. The Secret Service didn't let him kill himself. Looks like he's still alive in critical condition.
And there was a previous one in Atlanta, outside the Israeli embassy. But who heard about that one? I think that person lived too but he burned himself in a Palestinian flag.
The articles, as expected, are making it look like the guy's a terrorist with the search for bombs and a suspicious vehicle. I hate the BS media.
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I was thinking that the parents of the younger generation that are appalled by the
genocide in Gaza are probably scared shitless that their kids are going to copy this sort of protest. It will be interesting to see how the media plays it.....you can bet it will be spun as Reuters has nothing up on it yet.....have to start with the correct spin....blech!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 26 2024 1:07 utc | 89
canuck 58
"Retarded. Yes retarded indeed the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, 2024 years after his pbuh rather public prophetic mission to them.
And 1443 years and waiting late to recognise the Great prophet mentioned as 'still to come' in the Gospels.
They have really and truly missed the boat.'"
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 25 2024 21:41 utc |
Really?
You have too much hate, no diplomacy and zero ability to understand reform and reconciliation: you want and desire violence.
You are no better than the worst Zionist.
I pity you and your shallow soul.
I regret giving you the brand of Bob Marley whom was a gentle soul-you certainly are not-I now retract that idea.
Your ideas of violence disqualifies you from being any part of any art.
re: Posted by: Jane | Feb 25 2024 22:38 utc | 80
It is certainly reasonable to wonder, parenthetically, whether Zionists got any ideas on such demographic data collection from the Nazi regime.
It is you who are making broad-brush comparisons and pompous declarations. Read more carefully.
Perhaps it's because I have been "reading -- carefully" Rabbi Stephen Wise's letters; his autobiography; his son's May, 1933 vicious vilification of NSDAP; Chaim Weizmann's Autobiography, with its snide mention of how he collaborated with Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter to derail a peace initiative attempted by Woodrow Wilson such that the war was prolonged by a year; Michael Benson's reporting on the activities of Jewish gangster Meyer Lansky & affiliated thugs to silence any and every attempt by German Americans to explain their position; the history of zionism starting from the Haskalah movement to Nordau's Degeneration to Herzl's Der Judenstaat that make statements like, "It's reasonable to wonder whether zionists got ideas about data collection from Nazis" something that someone who had not mastered high school critical thinking-writing would write and defend.
Regarding Rabbi Wise's autobiography: he mentions that in mid-February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed him to arrange that "all 587,000 German Jews" leave Germany.
How do you suppose Stephen Wise arrived at that number -- not "almost 600,000", not even "over 550,000," but 587,000." Did Wise, acolyte to the most influential zionist of the war period, "get ideas about data collection from Nazis," even before Nazis had done so?
On the other hand, you may be onto something: Etan Bloom of TelAviv University wrote his dissertation on Arthur Ruppin and the "creation of Hebrew culture in Palestine." Ruppin was born and educated in Germany. He was an award-winning scholar and practitioner of eugenics, and of social organization. He began his work on the zionist project in Palestine in 1907; by 1910, he had arranged for construction of TelAviv. Ruppin prepared careful check-lists of the qualities needed in the "human material" to be encouraged to migrate to the zionist colony to become "the New Jew." According to Bloom, some Eastern European Jews did not measure up. Their applications to migrate to Palestine were rejected; others who did arrive had to be sent back to Europe.
But of course, Ruppin's "data collecting" methods were employed over 20 years before NSDAP took power in Germany.
Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 1:19 utc | 91
Guy was an active service air force officer that set himself alight. BBC can only say " a man" .
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 26 2024 1:25 utc | 92
"Anyways, next 2 weeks seems to be either a Ceasefire or a raging fire across ME. One or the other, times up on the dock. But that’s just my opinion."
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 25 2024 22:44 utc | 81
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I would add a 3rd option, current pathway of Palestinian erasure continues while blah, blah goes on until the bitter end of not enough Palestinian people left.. oh damn some will say, all that resistance, protest, low intensity military pot-shots, just took too long ..
like all the previous "mowing the grass" operations on Palestinians, it will eventually blow over and be memory-holed.
But, my own time is up, if nothing "breaks" the current status quo by March 10 (ie Ramadan) I am done, and will force myself into willful ignorance. I can no longer personally cope. I come to alt.media sites like MOA for info to give me cause to envision possibilities of a more positive outcome for Palestine than the MSM ever covers. Whether legal/diplomatic/UN, the international 'community' etc, Axis of Resistance etc ..
All these meetings, visits between various players, and speculation - about Egypt - is the Sinai holding pen demonstrating active complicity, or just a Plan B?
Is Hezbollah like Erdogan .. all just dramatic performance theatre aimed at their own people/supporters. The Yemeni Houthis will continue to be my personal heroes whatever happens, but the so-called legitimate govt of Yemen are
Now visiting Moscow? What for? For help in undermining the Houthis capacity to act?
Posted by: Rain | Feb 26 2024 1:52 utc | 93
As soon as Hamas has no more hostages under its control, the zionist state can proceed to raze the ghetto and kill everyone no-holds barred.
Posted by: Bill Marshall | Feb 26 2024 2:30 utc | 94
Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 26 2024 1:19 utc | 92
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I guess you don't understand "parenthetical."
Posted by: Jane | Feb 26 2024 2:45 utc | 95
ChasMark@76
ChasMark@92....
I was taught brevity of words, say more with less, find one word that conveys the point rather than ten....oh lord how I wish people would try it, unfortunately it's English.
Leprechaun digression. Jane had it right: My point: the savagery of shooting women and children is a given (just sayin')---but Arab men have also taken a terrible, terrible toll since the Zio-freak-zombies came to their shores and vowed to destroy them. The British facilitated militarily "castrating" Arab men (forcing them to disarm while letting the Zio-freaks arm up) so that they could not protect their society and their women and children.
Which I thought was her point: that Data Collection (not much different than an English Census) designed by Nazis was used by Zionists to target Palestinians. Apologies to Jane I just linked the two in my head, I see little to no difference between them, both equally evil.
So let's tie up the lose ends, and you can go down whatever rabbit hole you chose, I'll keep to mine.
Evangelical Protestantism comes out of England, long before Zionists faked the Protocols and Nazis were out of diapers. Zionism as a tool of evil was conceived in England, by Jews or Protestantism is irrelevant, it came from and was dreamed up in England. Those two forces of evil and their incestuous relationship birthed Nazism. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Evil, is evil, is evil, is evil, demonic at this point.
Cheers M
...when I watch and listen to Apartheid Settler's and what they think of Palestinians, listen to the evil and what the say, I have personally lived among rabid Protestants who proudly fly the Star of David outside their homes....."know them by their deeds."
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 26 2024 2:48 utc | 96
ChasMark@76
ChasMark@92....
I was taught brevity of words, say more with less, find one word that conveys the point rather than ten....oh lord how I wish people would try it, unfortunately it's English.
Leprechaun digression. Jane had it right: My point: the savagery of shooting women and children is a given (just sayin')---but Arab men have also taken a terrible, terrible toll since the Zio-freak-zombies came to their shores and vowed to destroy them. The British facilitated militarily "castrating" Arab men (forcing them to disarm while letting the Zio-freaks arm up) so that they could not protect their society and their women and children.
Which I thought was her point: that Data Collection (not much different than an English Census) designed by Nazis was used by Zionists to target Palestinians. Apologies to Jane I just linked the two in my head, I see little to no difference between them, both equally evil.
So let's tie up the lose ends, and you can go down whatever rabbit hole you chose, I'll keep to mine.
Evangelical Protestantism comes out of England, long before Zionists faked the Protocols and Nazis were out of diapers. Zionism as a tool of evil was conceived in England, by Jews or Protestantism is irrelevant, it came from and was dreamed up in England. Those two forces of evil and their incestuous relationship birthed Nazism. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Evil, is evil, is evil, is evil, demonic at this point.
Cheers M
...when I watch and listen to Apartheid Settler's and what they think of Palestinians, listen to the evil and what the say, I have personally lived among rabid Protestants who proudly fly the Star of David outside their homes....."know them by their deeds."
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 26 2024 2:48 utc | 97
"Regarding Rabbi Wise's autobiography: he mentions that in mid-February 1933 Louis Brandeis directed him to arrange that "all 587,000 German Jews" leave Germany.
How do you suppose Stephen Wise arrived at that number ?"
ChasMark
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Du bist wirklich ein Depp.
Wise could look at the German census figures.
But the figure he quoted was incorrect.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 26 2024 3:17 utc | 98
I hope people are waking up to the fact that Bibi is bullshitting about "invading Gaza." There's no way the chickenshit IOF are going to risk having their heads, arms, legs or arses blown off by blundering into an ambush.
Why would they when they can kill as many women and children as they desire by dropping bombs on them from the safety of an aeroplane?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 26 2024 4:04 utc | 99
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Babies are dying of malnutrition in Gaza while 2000 aid trucks await on the other side of the Rafah crossing ....
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 25 2024 14:08 utc | 1