Just look at the devils dancing in joy over the heinous massacres in Gaza
https://t.me/RiseGS/14586
The US in total support of the Genocide, will there be consequences one day?

Posted by: Mike | Feb 23 2024 11:20 utc | 203

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 23 2024 10:19 utc | 188
It is not surprising at all. The governments of the Axis of Genocide countries which have presented so far have focused only on
–blabla rights to self determination
-get rid of psycho settlers
-let’s negotiata everything else about the two state
-minimum compensation possible for the settlements
Russia was not invited to the party but they crashed it anyway
They omit what the Global South said: resistance is not terrorism, get rid of apartheid, implement right of return, get rid of the occupation, full reparations for everything etc.
Bangladesh
Bangladesh, drawing on our agonizing struggle for independence, recognizes how the State
of Palestine consistently and conclusively reaffirmed her commitment to a peaceful solution. This
solution, in accordance with international law and based on the aforementioned terms of reference,
aims to ensure the fulfilment of the Palestinian people’s inalienable rights under international law.
These rights include self-determination, the right of return, the realization of independence and
sovereignty of their State along pre-1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital, and the
aspiration to live side by side in peace and security with Israel.
South Africa
while South Africa’s foreign policy has always favoured a two-State solution,
the prevailing conditions suggest that, unless such an approach deals with the inequitable offering of
land to Palestinians, the dismantling of all the illegal settlements and the right of return for all
Palestinian refugees, such a solution may solidly lead to the disenfranchisement of the indigenous
people of Palestine, and concretize the prevailing injustices brought about by decades of apartheid
settler colonialism. A just solution for all who legally qualify to live in historical Palestine would
need to be negotiated with the assistance of the international community.
Separately, Palestinians in Gaza have lived in a sealed-off enclave, fragmented and
segregated from the West Bank, and subjected by Israel to regression, sustained closure and siege.
Palestinian refugees and exiles in the diaspora are systematically denied their right to return to their
homes. Apartheid Israel discriminates against and fragments all Palestinian people to ensure the
maintenance of Israeli Jewish domination.
Show me even one statement from the US, Russia, European countries that pushes right of return and ending apartheid.

Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 11:22 utc | 205

Bob Carr
@bobjcarr
·
8h
Former Israeli negotiator Daniel Levy warns Israel is taking a dangerous turn in trying to distract from war crimes in Gaza and apartheid on the West Bank by alleging anti-Semitism. A short and riveting interview
https://twitter.com/bobjcarr/status/1760864500063015127

Posted by: Menz | Feb 23 2024 11:26 utc | 207

https://mid.ru/en/press_service/photos/meropriyatiya_s_uchastiem_ministra/1933874/
Lavrov speech: At the same time, the scale of tragedy in Gaza is deliberately diminished meanwhile in less than five months more civilians, including children and women, have been killed there than on both sides in Donbas in the 10 years since the anti constitutional coup d’état in Kiev.
Question for the Russia fans: why does he use BBCspeak as if they were killed by a natural disaster without saying Israel is responsible?

Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 12:09 utc | 209

Good morning,
Was greeted this morning by this eye opening headline:
China’s ‘Shock’ Statement: Palestinians Have Right To Use ‘Armed Force’ Against Israel
It is a new day.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 12:52 utc | 211

For future reference and the benefit of MoA readers
I am going to post links from posts I have made since Oct 7th relating to
the subject of my post @1.
There is a filter at MoA that I have bumped into from time to time.
The filter seems to kick in if there are too many links in your post.
Doesn’t always happen.
So I may post links a couple at a time.
See how it goes today.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 13:07 utc | 213

@Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 13:07 utc | 212
This is a preliminary test of links within MoA itself:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/a-final-solution.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3ab92a5200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3ab92a5200b
Just a test.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 13:15 utc | 215

The link worked for me, librul. 🙂
Please be sure to include Egypt & USA intelligence warnings before the event, the Resistance’s warning earlier last year in 2023 about no longer tolerating attacks on Al Aqsa, the deliberately inciting event on Oct 2nd at Al Aqsa where Israeli’s with help of police invaded the holy site and started reconsecrating it with Judaism prayers, and later even Israel’s Ha’aretz coming to the conclusion that the government was warned by its own women intelligence unit of Golani Brigade and was duly ignored, AND the deliberate reshuffling of most Gaza fence troops towards the West Bank for the Sukkot holiday week.
It is unquestionably a LIHOP.
However the success of Hamas exceeded expectations, especially in getting the centralized intelligence files back to their tunnels, liquidating all the turned operatives among them in Gaza, and now fighting the IOF to a standstill militarily. The Hannibal Doctrine has been revealed as a pretense to up the Israeli victim count and exploit that for civic blooodlust — and this is further cemented in the government’s persistant revelation that hostages are more talking point and excuse than actual priority (see: ongoing hostage protests AND their tacitly allowed abuse by both police & opposing civilians).
More than one truth can be evident at the same time: agitating for a crisis, exploiting said crisis to propaganda levels, the crisis getting out of hand and showing your incompetence (because your victim was organized and competent), and in desperation saying “fuck it!” and going full steam ahead on your genocidal solution. 🙂 This takes nothing away from the successful military raid AND it is still a conspirancy of deliberate lapse in diligence, even though it failed to fall together perfectly. Incompetent enemies and perfect executions are NOT critical for a conspiracy to exist and be attempted.

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 23 2024 14:06 utc | 217

The UK is denying any power to the court! let’s leave the UN, perfidious Albion!

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 23 2024 14:20 utc | 219

We live in a Fascist Collective West.
It is finally beginning to dawn on the deluded commoners.
It was designed as such a long long time ago – centuries.
In pursuit of World Conquest under varying European ’Nation States’ using their Peoples sense of created ‘National Identity’ and associated ‘Patriotism’.
Such are the cogs of our AngloEuropean imperialism and colonisation, enslavement, resource and ancient civilisations wealth plunder.
A collective European project with the baton passed from one nation to the other. The creation of the worldwide colonies, and the 5 eyes new nations , by genocide and extermination of the native Peoples.
Including throughout South America – which is a different case as African slaves intermingled with surviving Indios and have arisen to tumble their Spaniard and Portuguese Masters and the current western financial institute and corporations overlords. Soon to accelerate throughout Africa and SE Asia and Pacific satraps.
All that historical nation forming, conquest and multi genocides – holocausts – have been owned and managed by the same forces as they shapeshifted from one nation to the next.
Owning all the new conquered worlds with their commerce and financial powers.
They have always been following and serving the same ends – the US is as much a vassal state as any other of the 5 + 1 Eyed world.
That is why that +1 eyed , is the One Ring that Rules them All.
That is why the Illegal Apartheid Entity is the Mordor and its mindless brutality of its ‘Chosen Peoples’ against innocents and unarmed humans they have landed their avarice upon.
We in our Collective Waste can never ever upset and turn against it ! The control is absolute. We ain’t cute , plucky little well meaning hobbits are who live in some gentle , civilised shires! Who never meant any harm and wouldn’t say boo to a goose!
That’s why the UN gets vetoed.
Why the ICJ has the vassals arguing against the blatant destruction.
Why the Palestinians are subjected to the final solution of force marching them in stages towards the Egyptian border. Each cleared area flattened, so it is wholly uninhabitable. Without prospect of return or so they believe.
Each evacuation enclave bombed to keep the Palestinians moving towards Egypt and the Sinai. To some new tent city townships.The Craven Egyptians owned complicit generals and leadership preparing to receive the exodused Palestinians so they can look like welcoming hosts !
Not even trying to stop the Zionazis last great grasp of taking the whole of the Levant! Egypt could easily send their multi million peoples armed forces straight into Palestine all the way to the Illegal Entity’s original border – under the R2P doctrine that led to the destruction of the MENA after the ff concocted Bin Laden bs. But Egypt that ancient civilisation hasn’t!
That’s why the U.K. parliament has on purpose hobbled itself.
The SNP struggling to survive as its can of worms spills daily more it’s secret takeover by traitorous unionists – under its satrap supposed new Muslim Pakistani Scottish current leaders stated aim to achieve a posturing position of supporting the Palestinians, as many of the Celtic supporters do, hamza is as much a creature of the Crown and the Ziofascism as the rest of the WEF ‘Young leaders’ crowd.
So the pantomime in the U.K. Parliament was a wholly designed diversion to the growing daily clamour from across the political spectrum. All of their ‘representatives’ in Parliament took part in the red herring move to support the Palestinians.
It was hamstrung by the owned Nu-Labour fascists and their Great Knight Dope , cia/Zionist implant Sir Starmtrooper ! As they keep trying to sell him as the next PM; he has to ‘win’ to preserve the illusion of party political parliamentary democracy! He is the jailer of Assange too and the ‘et tu Brute’ assassin of a Corbynite government that he stopped from the inside – the most devious spy and traitor of the Labour supporters since well the last lot of Blairites going back to the 70’s when they did the same to Wilson as they did to Corbyn …
The quisling starmzy will win just as Bozo the clown won by postal vote cheating.
That the Speaker takes the blame but isn’t instantly resigning is the escape clause ! The msm narratives are in lockstep. That turd of a speaker, who was knighted just like Starmy for services to the deepstate ‘Crown’ long before achieving his high office ; who himself played the Brutus against the previous and best Speaker since the Middle Ages, John Bercow – airbrushed out of recent history and deprived of the traditional Seat in the Lords from where he would have been hard to keep quiet – knowing where ALL the skeletons are buried. Many still walking and talking in both Houses.
That is our perfidious Albion and the Zionazi controlled Crown deceiving the British Public whilst supporting actual fascist murder and attempts at furthering the colonialism across the world. Using proxies in the ukraine against their Oldest unrequited desire of the Russian Lands and EurAsia along with the consolation prize of the whole of the Levant as an ersatz Khazarian Empire reborn!
But Hey Ho lookey here, as they think they can finally get their cake and eat it! Here comes the Global South and its masses , marshalled by the ancient Russian and Chinese civilisations, to fight the Collective Waste in EVERY battlefield! To change the hearts and minds of of millions , BILLIONS , of Humanity, long brainwashed into the supremacy of the Imperialists.
Yesterday the Sunni Yemenis commanded and paid by their Saudi Zionazi run satraps – opened the roads to the West to the Red Sea – they decided the Shiite Leadeship of Ansrah Allah and their young charismatic military leader is The Chosen One who has decided to fight and die for the woebegotten Palestinians and against fascist west and Zionazis final solution.
They turned their coats!
It’s quite something when a schismastic religion overcomes its artificial divisions to support their fellow humans in need!
Whilst such realities are manifest across the multipolar we are treated to rearranging of the deckchairs and reinforcement of our delusions of democracy and superior western ‘civilisation’. Narrative management, including amongst these boards sock puppets.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 14:39 utc | 221

@Posted by: titmouse | Feb 23 2024 14:06 utc | 216
Thx for that.
And you (y’all) are invited to share some links as well.
I am going to try to include backup links to archive versions as well.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 14:44 utc | 223

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 14:39 utc | 220
………………………
Good one!
But Bercow was a veritable orc!

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:03 utc | 225

@ Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 12:09 utc | 207
“Question for the Russia fans: why does he use BBCspeak as if they were killed by a natural disaster without saying Israel is responsible?”
Duh! Because he is a DIPLOMAT?
He is doing his job of ‘getting the message through to the deluded masses – us in the Collective Waste.
Russia is not deluded enough to believe it is going to defeat the collective west on its own – it needs allies. Not just to win but to survive.
Not every human civilised person goes around bellowing and calling names in public ! What did Biden just call Putin?
If you want hard talk – just listen to Medvedev talking to the Russians. Or any number of anti imperialists.
The constant attempt to connect Judaism as a religious practice with the brutal fascism and irreligious Zionazism and ages long brutal imperialism that I just wrote above – is the Narrative Management – being trialled on the inter web comments boards. It’s self victimisation, a warning sign even of the duplicity of the narrator.
Don’t fall into that trap. Unless you are playing a double game in which case carry on. It will fail either way.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 15:08 utc | 227

All actions have accountability, ultimately. No deed gets put under the rug at the time of accountability and sentencing.
As frustrating and hurtful as it may be now for those who stand on the Right side (the goodness in human nature) there is a message:
Wa ukhraa tuhibboonahaa nasrum minal-laahi wa fath-hun qareeb, wa bashshiril mu‘mineen
meaning: He will also grant you the other favour that you desire: help from Allah and a victory that will come soon. Give glad tidings of this to the believers.
Also that God (the real one) is kairul makireen. The best of planners. Things will unfold as He has green lighted. The purpose and reasons are only known to Him. So that who have Faith in God (the real one) will endure with Sabr. And that is what you witness from the oppressed. Truly amazing.

Posted by: sal | Feb 23 2024 15:24 utc | 229

Another journalist murdered by the Jews in Gaza yesterday bringing the total to 130. Something big must be happening in Gaza for the Jews to be killing the messengers who would tell the story. It’s the biggest story of the century. The Palestinians in Gaza are defeating the Jews and their Outlaw U.S. Empire. It’s heroism on an epic scale.
Only 30,000 Palestinians killed since October 2 whereas I expected at least half a million murdered by now. That speaks to the resilience, resourcefulness and courage of the Palestinian people and the excellence of the Hamas leadership. Maybe someday we will know the whole story.
I’ve decided not to use the words Israel and Israeli anymore. Since I don’t believe Israel has a right to exist it doesn’t make sense to use the word.

Posted by: Chas | Feb 23 2024 15:47 utc | 231

“Yesterday the Sunni Yemenis commanded and paid by their Saudi Zionazi run satraps”…
Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 15:49 utc | 231
Like what? You do not expect them to punch above their ability? And How? Fight half the world’s forces?
Your frustration is understandable. Not everyone is someone else’s lapdog.

Posted by: Sal | Feb 23 2024 15:57 utc | 233

For the record, Trump says he intends to expel Hamas sympathizers.
Show a bit of sympathy, and you’re out.
No better than Biden. No worse than Biden and his cabinet full of Zionist Jews.
Kiss the fecking wall.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 23 2024 16:01 utc | 235

More than one truth can be evident at the same time: agitating for a crisis, exploiting said crisis to propaganda levels, the crisis getting out of hand and showing your incompetence (because your victim was organized and competent), and in desperation saying “fuck it!” and going full steam ahead on your genocidal solution. 🙂 This takes nothing away from the successful military raid AND it is still a conspirancy of deliberate lapse in diligence, even though it failed to fall together perfectly. Incompetent enemies and perfect executions are NOT critical for a conspiracy to exist and be attempted.”
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 23 2024 14:06 utc | 216
(And librul)
That’s exactly what I was thinking regarding this whole issue. These truths can coexist without contradiction.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 16:07 utc | 237

@ UWDude
Who wrote,
“Again, Sun Tzu never talks of morality, or good and evil.”
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 8:26 utc | 174
If one takes into consideration the time and place of the Sun Tzu text, ~ 544 BCE in the Zhou Dynasty (722-481 BCE), your assertion that morally is all about “good or evil” resolves into other questions.
Are you perhaps inappropriately imposing a Western idea of morality, forcing a conclusion based on faulty premises?
At the Open Thread I will post a few related items. Perhaps someone versed in Confucian philosophy of the period can help out? Juliannia comes to mind as her love affair with Socrates and Plato is from the same time period but a bit further west geographically although transit occurred; and perhaps persiflo can elucidate the issue too?

Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:10 utc | 239

“Yesterday the Sunni Yemenis commanded and paid by their Saudi Zionazi run satraps”…
Posted by: Sal | Feb 23 2024 15:57 utc | 232
I didn’t write this statement. I don’t even know what it means. It was buried in the groaningly long comment #220 by NeverDunGroaning that I guess nobody read.
I suppose I broke the unwritten rule of this site: NEVER EVER CRITICIZE PUTIN OR LAVROV.
Not even when Russia declares to the ICJ that it is a great friend of Israel and allows Israeli jets to bomb a central Damascus apartment building opposite a school…on the very same day.

Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 16:15 utc | 241

librul 27
Although Oct 7 involves collusion , the collusion may connected to geopolitical goals outside Israel.
Netanyahu’s antics are probably some kind of diversion from some other skullguggery FUKUSIS wants to achieve, such as colonial coups in Africa they don’t want the world to see. Somalia is Cameron’s favourite toy and how to keep oil flowing in a world in which oil is a public enemy
In the criminal world of USUKIS All terrorism is useful as a distraction from other clandestine criminal activity. The fact that this genocide isvtotally unacceptable just means that they want All eyes focused on it
Our minds are incapable of imagining the depths of evil of the criminal state mafia. The purpose of crime A might be to distract us from crime G
Until one has learned to smell the hypocrisy, one cannot start imagining what other criminal dealings are being swept under the carpet.
Consummate evil is quite good at covering its tracks. It has to be.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 23 2024 16:18 utc | 243

“Again, Sun Tzu never talks of morality, or good and evil.”
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 8:26 utc | 174
lolwut
Art of War, Ch. 1 “Laying Plans“, § 3, Sunzi said:

The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons. Earth comprises distances, great and small; danger and security; open ground and narrow passes; the chances of life and death. The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerity, benevolence, courage and strictness. By method and discipline are to be understood the marshaling of the army in its proper subdivisions, the graduations of rank among the officers, the maintenance of roads by which supplies may reach the army, and the control of military expenditure. These five heads should be familiar to every general: he who knows them will be victorious; he who knows them not will fail.

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 23 2024 16:31 utc | 245

@ Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 16:15 utc | 242
@ Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 15:49 utc | 233
“Nevermind “
Well I guess you decided to declare your true belief. Good for you not sitting on the wall !
I’ll pay more attention to your input! 🧐
Btw haven’t read FT, NYT, Groaniad or any of the DS propaganda muppets nor the TV media for several years now. I used to know them ALL daily as my job and know some actual journos and editors who worked on some and a few still do. The pay is good.
So as to the point you landed on in my long oh so boring comment and also to my attempt to explain Lavrovs reticence. Have a double barrel!
‘!!!The Sunni military of the pro-Saudi regime in Yemen, without orders from their command, opened the main highway connecting the regime’s actual stronghold in Marib with the country’s capital, Sanaa, which is under the control of the Houthis.
Ordinary Yemeni opponents from among the soldiers and officers who had previously fought against the Houthis, after they entered the war for the Palestinians, began en masse to go over to the side of the Houthis and recognize the power of the young President Mahdi Al-Mashat, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Houthis in Yemen.
Palestine has united the Yemenis, who have been killing each other since 2014, waking up from the heat of Saudi propaganda, recognizing the power of the true people’s government of Yemen – Ansarallah.
#Yemen
🇷🇺 Sofa General Staff
(look what is nearby – oil and gas)’
https://t.me/geromanat/20821

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 16:35 utc | 247

Four comments. And three of them from librul, obsessed with the ridiculous and racist notion that Israel’s government and military were accomplices in the historic defeat of October 7th.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 22 2024 14:19 utc | 7

Now that’s a shitty attempt at hasbara even coming from the Chief Apologist. Absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 23 2024 16:44 utc | 249

Part 2
@Posted by: Pq | Feb 23 2024 16:15 utc | 242
“I suppose I broke the unwritten rule of this site: NEVER EVER CRITICIZE PUTIN OR LAVROV.”
That’s what used to be known as strawman in the early days of trolling narrative merchants. You invented something that doesn’t exist. In fact there are multiple blogg sites that banned ANY neutral or non-critical reference to Putin ! By edict even at the punishment of being banned as a Putin Supporter or refusal to worship the greatest leader since Churchill in the obnoxious green snot cocaine snorting actor leader of Nazis!
But hey – let’s just listen to what Lavrov says (Putins response to Biden calling him a crazy son a bitch is classic too but I’ll let you find that for yourselves!) amongst many other statements (probs belong on Ukraine or open thread):
“Russia will support only representatives from Africa, Asia and Latin America in the expansion of the UN Security Council. This was announced by Sergey Lavrov at a press conference in Rio de Janeiro at the end of the G20 foreign ministers’ meeting. ”
As for confirmation of Egypts perfidy here is the World Financiers paying out the satraps :
“💰🇪🇬 IMF sees progress in Egypt talks, loan program to ease Gaza pressures
Talks with Egypt to boost its IMF loan program are making excellent progress and the country needs a comprehensive support package to deal with pressures posed by refugees from the war in Gaza, the International Monetary Fund said.
IMF spokesperson Julie Kozack told that IMF staff and Egyptian authorities agreed on the main elements of program changes under combined first and second reviews of Egypt’s existing $3 billion loan, and “authorities have expressed a strong commitment” to them.
“There is a need to have a very comprehensive support package for Egypt and we’re working very closely with both the Egyptian authorities and their partners to ensure that Egypt does not have any residual financing needs and also to ensure that the program is able to ensure macroeconomic and financial stability in Egypt.”
#IMF #Egypt
@africaintel
https://t.me/africaintel/9131”
And if you want to know what Russia is doing to actually help the Africans fight their centuries long imperial Jack boots off their throats – find out how the Wagners are rebranded as a ‘Russian “Expeditionary Corps” ‘.
Death by a thousand cuts from an ever expanding Resistance against the Zionazi Empire is daily accelerating. No amount of PR geniuses Russophobia or fight to stop the multipolar can save it!
And just for you and the various 77ths, ii’s, hasbarats etc
URA

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 16:56 utc | 251

librul 27
Although Oct 7 involves collusion , the collusion may connected to geopolitical goals outside Israel.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 23 2024 16:19 utc | 245
Would be very surprised if you are incorrect here.
There is much sharing of intelligence between the Five Eyes and iZrael. Hamas’ Oct 7th plan
was shared extensively amongst the political/intelligence services/military leadership.
It seems probable that copies of the plans were distributed to MI6 and the CIA, at least.
The “brilliant idea” to use Hamas’ jail break plan to escalate war throughout the Mideast (it has escalated into Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon, thus far)
probably didn’t originate in iZrael.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 18:06 utc | 253

Some Hasbara was whining about circumstantial evidence.
What was based @1 on direct evidence and what was circumstantial evidence
and does it matter?
Sort it out and get back to us, Hasbara.
According to the ABA (American Bar Association):

Evidence
The heart of the case is the presentation of evidence. There are two types of evidence — direct and circumstantial.
Direct evidence usually is that which speaks for itself: eyewitness accounts, a confession, or a weapon.
Circumstantial evidence usually is that which suggests a fact by implication or inference: the appearance of the scene of a crime, testimony that suggests a connection or link with a crime, physical evidence that suggests criminal activity.
Both kinds of evidence are a part of most trials, with circumstantial evidence probably being used more often than direct. Either kind of evidence can be offered in oral testimony of witnesses or physical exhibits, including fingerprints, test results, and documents. Neither kind of evidence is more valuable than the other.

Posted by: librul | Feb 23 2024 18:11 utc | 255

I respect Bevin’s well-reasoned opinion. The Palestinians could very well have executed Oct. 7 all on their own and it was not the work of some all-powerful Illimunati. But, we just dont know. Unless one has the kind of access reserved for billionaires as politicians beg for their money, or into the inner workings of the intelligence agencies and Likud party meetings, everyone is still just guessing based on second-hand information. It maybe illogical to assume people can be that evil, but most likely, the scholarly types on MOA dont spend their days hanging out with Costra Nostra, drug and human trafficers or arm’s dealers, so we are probably a little fuzzy on how the underworld works and the power criminals wield.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 23 2024 19:03 utc | 257

You cannot deny that they knew something was being planned, as US and Egypt said they informed them. Or that they moved the place of the rave party at the last minute, or that they took 6 hours to intervene. And that they moved some troops to the West Bank.
https://worldisraelnews.com/idf-heard-about-hamas-invasion-a-week-before-october-7th-security-head-reveals/

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 23 2024 19:21 utc | 259

So I don’t pretend to have good answers but I took your question seriously.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 18:24 utc | 66
====================
I asked and answered that question many threads ago with basically the same ideas.
Especially, hire mercenaries such as the Wagner group, or others.
Some threads ago the name of Eric Prince came up.
At that point I also asked why the rich neighbors do not hire mercenaries to help Hamas and harry the IDF.
If Israel can send “fakes” into Gaza pretending to be Arabs, why can’t such “fakes” be sent into Israel pretending to be Israelis?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 23 2024 22:40 utc | 261

DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 15:42 utc | 231
*** Explain why Bercow was Cancelled? Shot by all sides of the Owned Politicians? Deprived of the Speakers traditional elevation? ***
Because he was a horrible little Tory Blairite creep with a vastly over-inflated opinion of himself?
In any case, the best Speaker was Betty Boothroyd.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 24 2024 0:40 utc | 263

Exile at 221, you bring up an important question.
But it was already answered by the expectations severely underestimating their opponents. Hamas, Al Qassam, and others have been training for competence for years, in the open, and were reported by the Golani Brigade’s female intel collectors, AND were dismissed (likely due to Zionist supremacism, Arab racism, and Islamophobia). You CAN conspire and still be a fuck up underestimating your enemy.
Further, as this fighting has gone on, we are seeing an inordinant amount of comissioned officer (CO) titles among the official death count (it is a mandated part of Israeli law IIRC as explained by Max Blumenthal in one of his GrayZone livestreams, forgive me no knowing which one (it might be easier to check for the Israeli law direct). From the norther border skirmishes with Hezbollah, to the West Bank, to Gaza, there has been a large mention of officers, higher than expected, because these are the names that cannot be hidden. However we also do not know how much is a factor of title inflation within the Israeli military itself, becuase it seems like every skirmish these past 100+ days takes out a few COs.
When we look at reality, don’t rush to assumptions of peak rationality, meritocracy, and efficiency. You tragically get more accurate results assuming the Peter Principle (people rise to their level of incompetence). This flawed mental framework expecting competence is how we delude ourselves that the reality before us cannot be happening; it is a mental defense assuming the world cannot be that ridiculous. The reality, after much tears to the contrary and grudging cynicism after, is often the opposite: the world is that corrupted and ridiculous.
Receive the feelings of loss and confusion, suffer its import, compare with reality again, and come to acceptance of its horror. 🙂

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 24 2024 4:36 utc | 265

“im very busy trying to save the life of my partner at the momment.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:07 utc | 162
Best of luck, Mark

Posted by: canuck | Feb 24 2024 14:58 utc | 267

Finaly to put it bluntly im very busy trying to save the life of my partner at the momment.
@Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:07 utc | 164
You are in our thoughts.
Best wishes.

Posted by: librul | Feb 24 2024 18:29 utc | 269

Here are some concrete conclusions that we should reference whenever possible
-The US government has lost ALL ability to assign any moral judgement
-assigning moral judgement has ALWAYS been a political bludgeon
-Accusations of moral infractions is the west’s only real tool too justify military action
-Horrific accusations made of HAMAS were admitted by Israel made to ‘motivate Israelis to fight back’
ALL accusations that emanates from western sources should be considered false until all evidence is expressed in appropriate setting. (we never see this, likely never will)

Posted by: Earl Jones | Feb 25 2024 4:53 utc | 271