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February 22, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-057
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ZH has a posting up with the title
Another UK Ship On Fire Near Yemen As Sea Becomes Littered With Disabled Tankers
the quote
The last several days have witnessed well over half a dozen attacks or attempted attacks by Houthis on foreign vessels and tankers in the Red Sea. For example the US military confirmed Tuesday that two US-owned tankers were struck the day prior. Such attacks are now coming several times a day.
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According to the latest from the Houthi military spokesman Thursday: “In response to the US-UK aggression, the armed forces of Yemen carried out 3 operations”…The launching of a number of ballistic missiles and drones at various targets in Umm al-Rashrash (Eilat), south of occupied Palestine.
The targeting of a British ship “ISLANDER” in the Gulf of Aden, using anti-ship missiles. The ship was directly hit, leading to a fire on board.
The targeting of an American destroyer (warship) in the Red Sea using a number of kamikaze drones.
The post has a couple pictures of the ship Rubymar with its ass almost submerged and the bow almost out of the water…..
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 22 2024 21:04 utc | 101
Finally, the Chinese defend the Palestinian right to use violence to achieve self determination:
https://youtu.be/LaCrM0L3YBk?si=ZJrNo2Mf5R432reT
“China counters the US point by point at the ICJ: Israeli occupation of Palestine”
(Ma Xinming, China foreign ministry legal advisor)
(Warning: requires an attention span)
China affirms:
– the Palestinians have a right to self determination
– the Palestinians are under foreign occupation
– are under colonial occupation by ‘israel’
– the occupation is unlawful and belligerent in nature
– are entitled to resistance to occupation by any means necessary
– including armed struggle
– all signatories to the UN charter have an obligation to assist Palestinians in the preservation of their rights
– have an obligation to avoid preventing the Palestinian achievement of their rights as affirmed by the UN charter.
– affirms the inadmissibility of Israeli acquisition of Palestinian territory by means of war
Most significantly: China affirms that acts of violence carried out by the Palestinians under occupation in order to break the occupation cannot be construed as terrorist acts
And here I believe Ma Xinming is effectively saying Hamas’ activities on 7 October cannot be considered “terrorism”.
(He goes into some caveats later on about the conditions under which the occupied may not commit violent acts, primarily in order to remain consistent with international humanitarian law, and the conditions under which the occupier may use violence, but none of these apply to Gaza, or the West Bank)
Bravo, China!
I can only imagine the crude, clumsy and shitmouthed tirade against the Chinese the ‘israeli’ talking head in the UN will dribble out when next given the opportunity.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 21:13 utc | 102
-sanctions, cease trade and recall ambassadors.
– covertly send in more advanced arms in quantity. Or whatever material support…dark money
– you could also consider a volunteer army or just general advice to citizenry to assemble .
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 18:24 utc | 65
Thank you! You are the first to answer this question seriously.
The total amount of trade of OIC with Israel is vanishingly small. Turkey is the OIC partner which has the largest exports with Israel, a whopping 3%.
The number of OIC countries with embassies in Israel is also already vanishingly small. Kazakh, Uzbek, Azerbaijan, UAE, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan are the major ones. Turkey and Jordan had already recalled ambassadors a while back. Jordan, Turkey, Egypt need to maintain some sort of relations with Israel because that’s the only way goods can get to Palestinians in the West Bank!
I’d be happy if they did these things but neither of these would make any difference at all to Israel in the short term unless the EU etc. participated.
Israel believes that only the West counts in this world so it can only be isolated by the West. Eurovision should have banned Israel. Things like that are hugely symbolic. But FIFA etc. won’t touch it.
Sanctions can only be enforced with those who have the power to enforce.
Even after the Abraham Accords, Israeli UAE business apart from Fortune 500 corporate deals have not been happening. Israeli Central Bank treat anything UAE as “terrorist financing” and require too much paperwork to even make it worthwhile. Meanwhile most small Emirati companies have no interest in trading with Israel.
The Abraham Accords was imho deal imposed on the UAE which has little to gain from it.
There is always a whole lot of blackmail behind the scenes. Since UAE did not ostracize Russia, it was slapped on to the “gray list”, hurting its financial centre. Far from being able to impose sanctions, UAE has been struggling to get off the gray list itself…
As for the weapons: Iran is nowhere near Gaza. So how did all those weapons get in if not from Turkey, Jordan and EgyptY??? There is clearly a lot more help being given to them than we know about.
If you have watched the videos, Al Qasssam, Hezbollah and the other resistance groups including the leftist ones like PFLP, DFLP are well trained guerilla fighters. That’s how they have held off the IOF for 4.5 months.
IOF show themselves shooting at walls, women and children, torturing unarmed people, and vandalizing stuff.
Those fighters have trained for years and are fighting on turf they know inside out. The videos show impressive skills and coordination. I don’t think sending random civilians would work. Israel has withdrawn most of its ground forces and relies on bombing and droning precisely because they were getting trounced by the resistance.
Col. Larry Wilkerson said on Judge Nap today that Israel definitely has nuclear weapons. He said when he participated in a simulation of some Israel-Egypt war, Israel was quite prepared to use its nukes on Egypt!
For Egypt and Jordan breaking the peace agreements would mean going to war. Btw, Egypt has already taken a 40% hit on Suez Canal revenue without complaining about it.
Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 21:22 utc | 103
Worth the 8 minutes. I guess if you are 98 you are not afraid to die for the truth. I pray, God bless this man and keep him safe from harm. https://jeffjbrown.substack.com/p/omg-98-year-old-dr-mahathir-speaks
Posted by: CeaClearly | Feb 22 2024 15:04 utc | 17
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Wow.
He is 98?
He looks and sounds like 78.
Pulls no punches.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 21:24 utc | 104
The big key of course is stopping the abettors of Genocide–NATO mostly–but succor provided by the Turks and regional Arab states also make them abettors too. And the Zionists can’t attack all of them.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2024 17:38 utc | 59
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It boils down to enforcement, or kinetic intervention which most are understandably unwilling to execute. I believe the larger strategy is to both expose the current leadership as immoral whilst further economic and political isolation exhausts the West’s ability to control events. Meanwhile there are zones jostling for position later on once bifurcation is more established
Israel is in the hot seat. The Middle East is going BRICS+ but Israel’s power rests in the West. Before the latter’s influence there is exhausted they are making a determined land grab. For all we know various ME powers are okay with this but cannot say so. Then Israel will have to make it as an independent entity in that region whilst pivoting into the multipolar axis. Or it must be dismantled as a foreign, colonialist invader in the region.
If the West crumples from within, most of these hotspots will settle quite quickly. If the West doesn’t crumple, it will continue to push for World War. Dragon years can be quite powerful.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 22 2024 15:51 utc | 34
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Can’t recall the article number, but according to the fundamental right of self-determination, people who are subjugated by an illegal occupation have the right to resist, including armed struggle. The occupier does not have the right to self-defense.
The right to self-determination seems to be the key concept.
This may help (despite being Wiki!!):
“The right to resist, also by armed struggle, is recognized by the UN. An illegal occupying nation or force has no right to defend itself against those whom it illegally controls—this would be, and is, the same as justifying the illegal occupation in the first place by justifying its enforcement via military means. This is exactly what is occurring in Occupied Palestine: The illegal enforcement by Israel of its illegal occupation.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_to_resist
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 21:38 utc | 106
guess what, qatar does not participate in the ICJ hearings Posted by: Minaa | Feb 22 2024 15:30 utc | 28
I think because it is currently playing the main mediation role and would not be able to go there without condemning Israelto eternal damnation….the poor Qatari PM tries so hard to control his language when he is at the conferences. I do not know what swearing in Arabic sounds like but I can just imagine what they say when they are alone.
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 22 2024 18:39 utc | 70
Ireland and France had very weak statements compared to the rest of the Global South imho.
I see a clear pattern in the Axis of Genocide statements that I examined so far (Russia, US, Hungary, Ireland, France, Luxembourg). The US of course in a class by itself.
-blabla about self determination, two states, return to “political processes”.
They focus exclusively on the low hanging fruit of settlements and settler violence.
France disgustingly said Palestinians should get restitution, or compensation and for the people as a whole, “symbolic compensation”. You lose your farm and hundreds of olive trees and they throw you a few bucks.
More important is what they did NOT talk about.
The Global South took on the big issues: resistance is not terrorism, apartheid, detention and torture of civilians, slow genocide, right of return. So many things I can’t recall everything offhand.
All the big stuff that Axis of Genocide is pretending does not exist.
@ Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 18:12 utc | 64
Sorry if I made the assumption but then if you heard Saudi, Algeria, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, etc. you’d know that Boyle is talking nonsense about the Arabs.
Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 21:41 utc | 107
Col. Larry Wilkerson said on Judge Nap today that Israel definitely has nuclear weapons. He said when he participated in a simulation of some Israel-Egypt war, Israel was quite prepared to use its nukes on Egypt!
For Egypt and Jordan breaking the peace agreements would mean going to war. Btw, Egypt has already taken a 40% hit on Suez Canal revenue without complaining about it.
Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 21:22 utc | 102
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Israel holds a nuclear sword of Damocles over the region. But since her minions control the USG, that option will bring in the latter’s arsenal as well. This is why I believe the current geopolitical schlusselpunkt is facilitating US collapse from within rather than giving them incentive to escalate world military kinetics. Also why I fear this summer in US is going to be very, very nasty.
Can’t recall the article number, but according to the fundamental right of self-determination, people who are subjugated by an illegal occupation have the right to resist, including armed struggle. The occupier does not have the right to self-defense.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 21:38 utc | 105
Check the link in my earlier post to Ma Xinming’s argument to the ICJ. He goes into some detail here.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 21:42 utc | 109
Ok. I’m a lightweight but asking for help.
I’m in a discussion where the person seems to argue that the Israel Palestine problem is about hatred of Jews and that Hamas should stop causing trouble. I already argued Hamas is a symptom, and that there’s been no elections since 2006.
Also I argued that collective punishment is a war crime.
So now the person is arguing that the Jewish people came by the land legally. As if the Palestinians started a war out of hatred for Jewish people. Here’s what they say:
“It’s more complicated than that. European Jews began moving to Palestine in the late 19th century, when the Zionist movement began.
At the time, Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire, ruled by the Turks.
Many Jews actually purchased property from Arabs.
They didn’t steal it. But there was violence in those early years and continuing through the British protectorate years.
During WWII many Arabs aligned with the Nazis, and those attitudes persisted.”
Ugh. I have read The General’s Son, I’ve paid attention to Norman Finkelstein, but am calling for a “landline” for help
debating this.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 110
Jane @ 105
The right to resist occupation is in the Hague Conventions. They are short and readable. Lots of further reinforcement to the concept ever since.
Basically if an occupier cannot occupy peacefully, cannot provide basic services for an occupied population (food, security, medical care), the occupied can do anything to remove the occupier and all blame is assigned to the occupier. If an occupier cannot maintain civil order in occupied territory the only thing they get to do is leave. The departing occupier might demand partition, tribute, spoils of war. They do not get to stay.
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 22 2024 21:54 utc | 111
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 21:13 utc | 101
Agreed it was a very needed public position. BRICS is working in tandem. The goal of the US of late, is to shove a UNSC resolution that:
Names Hamas as culprit & root problem of “hostilities”
Get the UNSC to label “Hamas” a “terrorist” organization.
( their US Nation State designation means squat, they need a UN resolution to “recognize” Hamas as “terror” group for legal purposes)
They’ve even gone so far in this new resolution to add “Hamas” as rapists.
From the first resolution on, this is their goal, a “ceasefire” for UN recognition that Hamas is a terror organization. That would “absolve” Israel, eliminate Hamas political power and set the stage for their fake 2-state solution.
China just axed that publicly. China just made clear, no resolution that contains that text will pass UNSC. No matter how much “genocide” is committed… they’re will be no exchange of “Ceasefire” for “Hamas is a terror organization “ text.
They got out in front of the next Veto.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 22:04 utc | 112
Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 109
You should listen to this. He goes into history and also takes some Q’s from the kind of people you are in a discussion with.
https://rumble.com/v4dyoso-zionist-threat-to-americans.html
Posted by: jef | Feb 22 2024 22:04 utc | 113
Looking at pockets of killings by USA (directly and through proxies) for the past 33 years in isolation is similar to the 5 blind men describing an elephant. These are just part of the US plan to genocide Muslims for the past 33 years.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Bosnia, Chechnya, Yemen, Pakistan, Palestine, Tunesia, Egypt, etc.
They are just parts of one plan.
(Of course USA has a hand in other wars too like Ukraine, Niger, China, Venezuela, etc. but the clearest and continuing grand plan is Muslim genocide).
Going by this plan Iran, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, etc. will also be targeted pretty soon even Turkeye.
Posted by: Jason | Feb 22 2024 22:14 utc | 114
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 109
-The Zionist project was started as a settler colonialism project to displace indigenous peoples. Most of the land was taken forcibly using terrorist organizations like the Haganah, Irgun and Stern Gang.
-The first settlements began in 1891 as part of the Jewish Colonization Association to South America and Palestine. After the first Zionist Congress in 1896, the focus was on Palestine.
Check the Balfour Declaration 1917 where an English lord gives something that doesn’t belong to him to a Jewish Settler Colonial project led by Rothschild.
Go through this site:
https://www.plands.org/en/home
In the 1948 Nabka of May 15, 750,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.
In 1948, the terrorist Stern Gang murdered Folke Bernadotte, the UN mediator. One of the commanders Yitzhak Shamir later became Prime Minister.
Almost all Israeli PMs, the men, are bonafide terrorists having participated in or led criminal acts.
This is a list of some of the major massacres and wars.
1. Haifa Massacre 1937
2. Al-Quds Massacre 1937
3. Haifa Massacre 1938
4. Balad Al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
5. Haifa Massacre 1939
6. Haifa Massacre 1947
7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947
8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
9. Bab Al-Amud Massacre 1947
10. Al-Quds Massacre 1947
11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
12. Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
13. Jaffa Massacre 1948
14. Tantura Massacre 1948
15. Al-Quds Massacre 1953
16. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
17. Al-Quds Massacre 1967
18. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
19. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990
20. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
21. Jenin Refugee Camp Massacre 2002
22. Gaza Massacre 2008-2009
23. Gaza Massacre 2012
24. Gaza Massacre 2014
25. Gaza Massacre 2018-2019
26. Gaza Massacre 2021
27. Gaza Genocide 2023-present
Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 22:20 utc | 115
RE: “Sorry if I made the assumption but then if you heard Saudi, Algeria, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, etc. you’d know that Boyle is talking nonsense about the Arabs.”
Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 21:41 utc | 106
He may have been, but honestly, it isn’t just Arab Nations for me, there is less than a handful of nations that are doing anything but talking in microphones. On legal and political levels as far as Palestinian recognition, many Nations are diligently working. But on practical levels, we see the on the ground, whose actually defending and who’s on the ground physically aiding.
Who stepped in after West abandoned UNRWA aid?
What nations filled the gap so that UNRWA is and stays fully funded?
Perhaps one or more of these nations stepped in, but I haven’t heard or know of any. These are the “substance” of “political ramble” I look for.
So, I guess I see and hear all “positions”… but yet to see them actually manifesting into anything worthwhile yet.
Again, not just public positions, but action affirming those positions. And again, not just Arab states. Brazil just made a scathing accusation. Fine… now what?
Should the UNGA actually through the Resolution 377 enact “an actionable” resolution that gets an overwhelming vote & is then implemented… then I will know the “positions” espoused, who voted, and that it is more than “political PR” for their citizens.
I remain hopeful until the last Palestinian is slaughtered.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 22:26 utc | 116
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:13 utc | 22
Good questions there.
Has librul ever listed sources for his allegations?
Maybe something in it or not. However let’s consider Israel’s long relationship with Hamas, and it’s connection to the Muslim Brotherhood and it’s links to the UK. Then we might also consider that the attack created the justification for the final solution for Palestinians, mere coincidence? Numerous sources did point out a 9-11 run of of coincidences of troops being moved, intel ignored etc. Seems quite a plausible theory.
Posted by: Organic | Feb 22 2024 22:42 utc | 117
Many Jews actually purchased property from Arabs.
They didn’t steal it. But there was violence in those early years and continuing through the British protectorate years.
During WWII many Arabs aligned with the Nazis, and those attitudes persisted.”
Ugh. I have read The General’s Son, I’ve paid attention to Norman Finkelstein, but am calling for a “landline” for help
debating this.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 109
These are old, stale and cognitively defective and much debunked hasbara talking points.
1. Many Jews actually purchased property from Arabs.
a) Some Jews purchased property but purchase of property does not entitle the purchaser to a state. Did they purchase sovereignty? The purchase of land is irrelevant: try purchasing land in the US and declaring a State out of it, see how that works for you …
Further: what percentage of this land was even purchased, and from who and how? Land purchased from an authority cannot be construed to be a state or even part of one, unless purchased by another already-existent State with the agreement of sovereignty.
Title deeds are only valid in the context of an authority, therefore any purchases of land by the Jews would in fact be an acknowledgement of the authority of the Palestinian leadership over those lands.
b) Did they purchase it from the British Mandate occupation or from Arabs? If so, how was this handled since the British occupation has no right to sell Palestinian land to European Jews.
c) What of the land that was acquired by Jewish terrorist gangs like irgun and stern? Clearly this was illegally acquired land. Not theft but robbery.
2. They didn’t steal it.
a) There was a clear conspiracy to steal Palestinian land. The Balfour declaration and written correspondence between Lord Balfour and Lord Rothschild document this conspiracy of theft. Prior agreements between the British occupation and the Palestinian leadership indicate the British broke commitments to hand over occupied land to Palestinians and instead gave this land to the European Jewish settlers.
Regarding land acquired after 1948 as a result of wars: it is illegal to acquire such land under same charters and international laws ‘Israel’ uses to legitimize it’s existence. Multiple UN conventions have directed ‘israel’ to de-occupy this land.
b) Theodore Herzl, during his Zionist Jewish councils held decades before the foundation of ‘israel’ stated that Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land, and many other statements indicating the intent of Zionism was to remove the Palestinians from their land by violence if necessary.
This is a conspiracy to theft and evidence of premeditation of theft.
3) But there was violence in those early years and continuing through the British protectorate years.
a) Violence instigated by Jewish terrorists, for example the bombing of the King David Hotel, massacre of deir yassin and other Palestinian villages
b) violence against European Jews in response to the plan by Zionists to dispossess Palestinians of their land (as stated by Herzl and Balfour).
4) During WWII many Arabs aligned with the Nazis, and those attitudes persisted.”
a) Rubbish. There is no evidence of this alignment.
b) There is evidence that many Europeans aligned with the Nazis in the persecution of Jews during WW2, e.g the banderites of Ukraine, the Catholic Church in the Vatican, Vichy France etc… why then was land not carved out of these states to make a state for the Jews if the logic is that collaboration with the Nazis justifies land forfeiture?
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More can be done here but ultimately these well worn hasbara tropes are very easy to debunk, almost always myopic and counter-logical in structure, ridiculous if generalized and applied in the opposite direction and mostly based on made up facts.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 22:45 utc | 118
to Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 109
Here’s some advice I was given years ago: “Don’t bother arguing with words. Leave them with just a single picture one at a time showing what the Palestinians are experiencing. The more they defend and argue the more pictures you post.
I know it sounds crazy for a Marxist to quote Ronald Regan but in regard to debating with people you disagree with “if you are explaining you are losing”. MAKE THEM DO ALL OF THE EXPLAINING. With people who unconditionally support Israel in any monstrosity you’ll never change their minds, but you can bait them with minimal effort using photos (with just a few words to caption the photo for what it’s of) of that inhumanity into hysterical defensiveness and when they start reacting with more and more openly cringe statements to justify what is in the photo. If you are persistent with just minimal energy posting photo after photo as a reaction to their arguing they will forget about optics of how they are phrasing things and make a statement so damaging to their cause in an overly emotional attempt to defend their cause you merely have to screenshot their worst statement and pair it with the original photo in a meme and there you have it… the most damaging PR disaster statement of an Israel supporter paired with the most heartbreaking photo of suffering Palestinians in a newly viral meme you have created.”
That said, have you ever been to a site called https://ifamericansknew.org/
Lots of help there including with historical massacres of Pals by jews
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 22 2024 22:46 utc | 119
More can be done here but ultimately these well worn hasbara tropes are very easy to debunk, almost always myopic and counter-logical in structure, ridiculous if generalized and applied in the opposite direction and mostly based on made up facts.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 22:45 utc | 117
There’s that mighty pen of yours again. What a great post. I save great posts. Thanks very much, Arch
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 22 2024 22:53 utc | 120
A question:
I have heard much about the infiltration of Gazan society and Hamas by mossad but nothing about infiltration of the IDF, mossad etc. by Palestinian Resistance.
Can it really be that ‘israeli’ institution s have not been infiltrated at all by the Palestinian resistance?
I ask, because:
a) it appears there is theft of IDF weaponry going on within the IDF, with some of these weapons making it’s way into the Gaza strip.
b) I find it unlikely that Hamas’ claim to have created much of it’s ammunition from IDF rounds fired into the strip is true. It had to have acquired a good portion of Western weapons through smuggling channels.
c) because surely some Arab Jews in the IDF must have a conscience?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 23:04 utc | 121
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 22:26 utc | 115
Do you belong to any of: Five Eyes, EU, EEA, Switzerland, Russia?
Because these countries are the one who have enabled and protected Israel since the Cold War ended.
Rather than asking why the rest of the world doesn’t do something, you ought to be asking: why don’t the Axis of Genocide STOP doing something: why don’t they stop genociding??????
So if you’re asking the wrong question to begin with, I have to question why?????
I do belong to the grouping listed above. I feel ashamed, responsible, helpless. But I need to focus on MY government in whatever little way I can.
Those who belong to the Axis of Genocide list above but keep insisting that others do something ought to look in the mirror. They are exactly the reason genocide continues. The genocidal governments get their consent from Pepe like them.
If you’re that concerned you ought to be asking yourself what can YOU do?
I walked into an organisation three months ago and asked furiously why they were not organising demonstrations since they claim to celebrate “resistance fighters”.
It took a while but finally they’re having events.
Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 23:11 utc | 122
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 23:04 utc | 120
I’ve only heard that many weapons were taken from Israeli soldiers running away in battle. That weapons have been taken off of dead Israelis etc. So confirmation that resistance groups have them is there, and that’s the story of how they got them.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 23:14 utc | 123
I just wrote a detailed response to Laura, but lost the whole think with this new “resend” feature.
Basically I suggested that Laura beef up her own understanding of the real history by watching a few excellent documentaries. Then it would be easy to see right through her friend’s threadbare, self-serving talking points.
I also pointed out that Zionists and Israel supporters like to say the situation is “complicated,” when actually it is pretty simple. All Americans understand property rights. The Zionists used terror and murder to drive Palestinians and to occupy Palestinian lands. The stole most of the land. They destroyed 450 to 500 Arab villages. This is call the Nakba. They are still doing this today in the West Bank, plus of course reducing Gaza to a moonscape and trying to drive the Palestinians into the Sinai desert.
Here, again are the four films I recommend as basic education. The first two are linked at https://balfourproject.org/films/:
1.Promises and Betrayals: Britain and the Struggle for the Holy Land
2. The Land Speaks Arabic.
3. Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCeQt8zg5o
4. The Settlers, directed by Shimon Dotan (about the history of the settler movement; very unsettling, to say the least). Can be viewed for free but right now I can’t find the URL.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 23:15 utc | 124
I think US is pushing hard for a new UNSC resolution before the 26th report due by Israel. Or the next “Unity for Peace” conference the 27th.
I rather doubt it will pass in current form to be put to vote.
Anyways, here’s todays message about it (vague as can be)
https://tass.com/politics/1750647
“UNITED NATIONS, February 23. /TASS/. By offering alternative solutions to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict at the United Nations Security Council, the United States is seeking to shield Israel and receive a greenlight to what is in its geopolitical interests in the Middle East, Russian Permanent Representative to the United Nations Vasily Nebenzya said.
“The Security Council has actually reached a consensus concerning the necessity to stop violence. There is only one delegation that is standing on the way of UN-brokered multilateral efforts – that of the United States. Seeking to shield its closest Middle East ally, it is trying to secure, under the guise of alternative solutions, a United Nations Security Council blessing for solutions, which are advantageous only for Israel, or, to be more precise, meet the United States’ geopolitical interests in the Middle East,” he said at a UN Security Council meeting on the Middle East.“
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 23:21 utc | 125
RE: Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 23:11 utc | 121
I’ve never asked “why the rest of the world isn’t doing anything”. I don’t care “why”. As for my own “action”, that’s my business. Your bold caps suggesting West stop the genocide, is pretty much what 3/4 of the world is doing, including me.
As for “Five Eyes”… sure why not? I should “belong” to something after all.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 23:44 utc | 126
Laura Roslin @ 109, Arch Bungle @ 117:
Before 1918, much of Palestine was owned by landlords of different ethnicities and religious beliefs. The Palestinians themselves were tenant farmers and many of them had been tenant farmers for centuries.
When Zionist settlers bought land in Palestine, they bought from the landlords or from Ottoman Turkish authorities. The Palestinians had no say in the administrative transfer of ownership.
Palestine passed to British military rule in late 1918 and then came under British civilian rule in 1920. The area came under British mandate rule in 1923 and from then on, Palestinians were treated in much the same way as the British dealt with aboriginal peoples in their other colonies, including former settler colonies like Australia and Canada: the wishes of the local people to retain control of their lands and resources, that they had used and conserved for centuries, were ignored while settlers came in and took over their homes.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 23 2024 0:01 utc | 127
Missiles, Yaseen-105 & Shuwath
In INTENSE DAY | IDF Soldiers
STEALING IDF AMMO, SELLING
IT TO(?!)
Mahmoood_OD
https://youtu.be/yrY5XljWrQ8?si=0dvRKWB532-ArHbo
(BTW good comments Arch)
And Beyond the effects of corrupt or addicted soldiers selling arms there is yet another aspect to consider.
Organized crime. Although even many criminals have no interest in dealing with the Zionist horror I would imagine their own crime families would happily sell them out. Why should they give a crap a a bunch of zionists?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 0:56 utc | 128
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08FEiBklxsA
Medecins sans Frontier briefing at UN demanding an end to endless meetings…
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 23:04 utc | 120
Assad Abukhalil believes that Nations or States that believe Palestinians have a right to armed resistance should support them with arms.
I’m not sure that Moa did, as Assad claims. Perhaps someone who has studied Chinese history can verify the Moa claim.
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1760717184450613450
Posted by: Menz | Feb 23 2024 1:00 utc | 130
According to jews for peace , Norway’s Pension Fund, one of the world’s largest pension funds, divested entirely of its Israel Bond holdings in a huge win for the BDS movement.
500 million was the figure quoted. Since about 2020 when bibi first got in and went faster with illegal settlements they have been pulling back , originally it was over 1 trillion invested in 80 entities in Israel.
BdS one step at a time
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 23 2024 1:01 utc | 131
Posted by: jef | Feb 22 2024 22:04 utc | 112
Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 22:20 utc | 114
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 22 2024 22:45 utc | 117
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 22 2024 22:46 utc | 118
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 23:15 utc | 123
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 23 2024 0:01 utc | 126
Thank you all so much.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 23 2024 1:10 utc | 132
DWDude? Anyone? Does anyone know of existing geopolitical computer models?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:23 utc | 89
I am a self taught coder, game dev and 3d modeler.
Patrakolos was prob referencing my history degree.
However, i think if more people played civilization games, on hard mode, where declaring war could be the end of a long game, they would understand why nations “cuck” a lot, and why UAE doesnt just declare war on Israel, or Russia start shooting down American AWACS or start using nukes.
They are just games, but they do touch on a lot of basics of international relations and strategic resource management.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:11 utc | 133
In response to”
They are just games, but they do touch on a lot of basics of international relations and strategic resource management.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:11 utc | 132
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I am curious of your exposure or work with cross impact matrix analysis like https://cross-impact.org/
but this is OT here, please no response here
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 1:18 utc | 134
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 22 2024 21:47 utc | 109
The Jews owned about 3% of the land in 1948. The UN gave them about 48% of the land, and most of the good land. All the UN Security Council accepted it, as Chinas vote was cast by Taiwan, and the USSR thought Israel would be a new shining example of communism.
The Arabs were outraged, and declared war…
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:19 utc | 135
The Israeli attackers of the USS Liberty quit because a Russian warship appeared on the scene.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 23 2024 1:32 utc | 136
The big key of course is stopping the abettors of Genocide–NATO mostly–but succor provided by the Turks and regional Arab states also make them abettors too. And the Zionists can’t attack all of them.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2024 17:38 utc | 59
How exactly is Turkey abetting Israel? Trading food?
Here is a list of countries that supply arms to Israel from Al Jazeera. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/2/15/which-countries-have-stopped-supplying-arms-to-israel. Noticeably absent is your list of Muslim Abettors while there are plenty of Western nations absent from your abettor list. However I do consider the Saudis and Egypt in that category due to their GCC vote.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 23 2024 1:34 utc | 137
It’s a pretty basic rule, so far never violated, that state actors do not use official military resources in kinetic conflict with nuclear powers except on the defensive. There seem to be pretty sound reasons for this rule that even the US, despite its neocon nutjob frothing, respect. So I would not expect any state actor to attack Israel except as a last resort.
Non-state actors obviously can attack nuclear powers and do so, because the vast majority of states, let alone nuclear powers, object to the idea of nuking a country that isn’t directly attacking it. The strategy of the Resistance seems to acknowledge this, with the possible exception of Yemen- but in the west, it’s not clear that the Houthi and the Yemeni state are the same thing, so there’s a bit of retaliatory restraint.
So, we have groups that have less to lose than Israel attacking Israel kinetically, and state actors supporting them, and to some extent bringing non-kinetic pressures to bear. I don’t see any reason to think this will change until Israel escalates sharply, which could take a number of different forms. A lot of people are predicting an invasion of Lebanon, so maybe that’s a real threat, but it’s hard to make sense of it on a practical level. It’s a war Israel can’t win, and which will, in the best case for them, damage Israel enormously and probably cause a huge fraction of the population to flee and never come back. So what would the purpose of escalation be? Armageddon?
But this analysis only concerns Israel as a nation state. It’s clear that national interest is not driving Israeli actions right now, they are driven by the existential threat to Netanyahoo that losing power presents. So I suppose the question that really needs to be answered is whether there’s a scenario in which Israel is destroyed but Nutty is alive and well someplace that doesn’t want to put him in prison.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 1:38 utc | 138
They are just games, but they do touch on a lot of basics of international relations and strategic resource management.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:11 utc | 132
I agree, but I think there’s an often-overlooked component of these simulations: the players pretend to represent the interests of some polity, and they do have an ego-driven interest in winning, but there’s no real skin in the game, the player’s life will not change, win or lose. This, unfortunately, now represents the relationship of the ruling class to the nations they control all too well. At least, so far. None of these conflicts has to become an existential threat to the individuals that rule the universe, even if they are longer-term threats to the survival of the systems they control. I suspect that at some point, when they are well hemmed in, with nothing but fatal choices left to them, some clever Xi or Putin of the moment will offer them a lifetime vacation in a South Pacific paradise or similar so they don’t have to resort to nuclear war.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 1:44 utc | 139
The DNA analysis is conclusive. All of the original Jews are from palestinian lineage so if any “ethnic” group has a so called God given right to the land it is the Palestinians some of whom are still Jewish others not so much. I believe that Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. I also believe he would be commenting in this forum if indeed he has already come back. His alias is Sandalman. I hope no one takes offence.
Posted by: jef | Feb 23 2024 1:48 utc | 140
I know it sounds crazy for a Marxist to quote Ronald Regan
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 22 2024 22:46 utc | 118
Not at all. No real Marxist believes that truth is the exclusive domain of Marxism, or that communists invented every good thing in the world. To offer a few non-controversial examples, neither Sun Tzu nor Machiavelli were Marxists, but they are founts of practical military and political wisdom. I think it’s incumbent on serious Marxists to examine the thoughts and actions of non-Marxists very carefully and objectively, they are as much a part of the objective world as anyone else, and they exist because they got something right- while, perhaps, getting other things horribly wrong. It’s the dialectic, baby!
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 1:53 utc | 141
“The Settlers, directed by Shimon Dotan (about the history of the settler movement; very unsettling, to say the least). Can be viewed for free but right now I can’t find the URL.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 23:15 utc | 123”
Here’s a link that’s NOT on pro-censorship screwyoutube:
(The preview here doesn’t seem to let me verify that the link works, so I hope I have it right.)
The”>https://m.ok.ru/dk?st.cmd=movieLayer&st.discId=6940916845103&st.retLoc=search&st.rtu=%2Fdk%3Fst.cmd%3DuserMovies%26st.duration%3Doff%26st.vdsrch%3DThe%2BSettlers%26st.mvmd%3Dsearch%26st.page%3D1%26st.hd%3Doff%26_prevCmd%3DuserMovies%26tkn%3D5320&st.discType=MOVIE&st.mvId=6940916845103&_prevCmd=userMovies&tkn=4574#”>The Settlers
Posted by: Dalit | Feb 23 2024 2:00 utc | 142
“Israel was the second top market for Turkish steel exports last September. This January, it slipped to rank tenth, as the industry replaced Israel and shifted more toward Germany, the United States and Iraq.
The steel sector’s exports decreased by 62% to $35.1 million last month, down from $92.4 million in September.“
https://www.dailysabah.com/business/economy/turkish-exporters-redirect-sales-away-from-israel-as-trade-plunges/amp
Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 23 2024 2:21 utc | 143
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 22 2024 18:39 utc | 70
Pq, what you say about the position of the “Axis of Genocide: US, France, Hungary, Ireland, Netherlands, Russia: hypocritical as always.” At the ICJ is untrue. Ireland has made one of the powerful statements so far, specifically in debunking the legal tricks if the US statement which argued for the absence of powers of the ICJ wrt to what they try to present as a bilateral dispute. Netherlands and France were surprisingly pro Palestinian but the statements were sent before october. Anyway they did not amend much apparently and aknowledge the legality of the consultation and call fir a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as capital and reparations to be paid to the Palestinians and the victims.
Maybe they should have a look at the contracts they sign both on the national and the EU levels.
———
Thanks for the truth Mina.
How can I say this using the venerable Sergei Lavrov’s straight talk style; PQ, you are full of shit. There.
As Mina said, Ireland, as far as the vast majority, are all in for Palestine. With exception of that super-c’nt wailing retard Bono Bonehead of course. It would not be beyond possibilty to say that, if the Irish as a large militia force were given armaments, and passage to Gaza, they would be there to defend the Palestinians en masse. It may serve to remember that a great many of the frontline soldiers of the British army, when it was still a great fighting force many many decades ago, consisted of many Irishmen dragooned into service, or offered pennies which they despatately needed to support their families. Afghaunistan still remembers the bravery of Irish officers that served in the Victorian British army. And I know the Afghans very well, being part Afghan myself. The Irish still have the fight in the them, and hate oppression. So forget about that lie.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 23 2024 2:43 utc | 144
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08FEiBklxsA
Medecins sans Frontier briefing at UN demanding an end to endless meetings…
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 0:58 utc | 128
A true and truly moving speech. A must read! Ta, Scorpion
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 23 2024 3:04 utc | 145
(new)
China Counters US Point By Point At ICJ | Israel’s Occupation Of Palestine | Dawn News English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaCrM0L3YBk
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 3:55 utc | 146
The Cradle is now reporting that the ship Rubymar has sunk
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 3:59 utc | 147
Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh@142….there are no shortages of fundraisers going on in Catholic pubs all over
Northern Ireland atm. Lots of vids online of Irish Catholics standing in solidarity with Palestine, we always have. Not sure about the pubs in the South.
I made the ‘catholic’ reference deliberately, hopefully I don’t have to explain the nuance to the bar…. they’re a bit ornery.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 23 2024 3:59 utc | 148
Mahmood Od updates the resistance situation in Gaza.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fS3fhcqWreM
Od is Palestinian and was born and grew up in occupied Palestine (Israel). Obviously he is fluent in Arabic and Hebrew. He lives in the UK.
Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 23 2024 4:36 utc | 149
The critical battle is with Hezbollah and Syria. They are the target of Israel and ZOG.
Posted by: JackG | Feb 23 2024 5:19 utc | 150
The Cradle is now reporting that the ship Rubymar has sunk
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 3:59 utc | 145
First they warned non-compliant ships passing through the Red Sea.
But the Empire dismissed them insignificant.
Then they fired shots in the general vicinity of non-compliant ships.
But the Empire threatened them and ridiculed their poor aim.
Then the fired shots over the bows of non-compliant ships.
But the Empire made more threats and brought their Navy to the Red Sea.
Then they fired shots at non-critical areas of non-compliant ships
And the Empire bombed the dust of Yemen, harming few but making a lot of noise.
Then they struck important areas of non-compliant ships
But the Empire wasted more missiles, bombing Yemen’s main oil exporting port.
Now they’re striking critical areas of ships.
And finally, they are sinking non-compliant ships.
And the Empire is out of targets.
Now, the Houthi are testing torpedo-drones,
And the Empire is out of options.
Escalation Dominance.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 5:43 utc | 151
Laura,
A detailed website – packed with specific dicuments regarding ethnic cleansing and property stealing
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
Israeli Documents from 1948 highlighting campaign of arocitues and ethnic cleansing
https://balfourproject.org/classified-docs-reveal-massacres-of-palestinians-in-48-and-what-israeli-leaders-knew/
The infamous ‚If I don‘t steal your house someone else will‘ video and background
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/yaakov-fauci-israeli-settler-new-york-sheikh-jarrah
Finally – the Book documenting life before the land theft as well as documenting dozens of atrocities and ethnic cleansings
https://cigacriticalvoices.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/The-book-1983.pdf
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 5:48 utc | 152
In response to my reporting of the ship being sunk
”
Escalation Dominance.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 5:43 utc | 149
”
Close but really there when they can take out a military ship…..waiting with baited breath….
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 5:54 utc | 153
Re: Al-Qassem weapons ?
The underground workshops in Gaza are very capable of producing the various weapons Al-Qassem has been using since 2.Oct. In addition, Al-Qassem has been showing beaucoup weapons and materials captured from the IDF. Finally, it’s a sure bet that given the divisions within Israeli society, plenty of weapons and raw materials have been sourced from disgruntled IDF quartermasters ( fell-off-a-truck)
On another note – the key question in this barrel of attrition is which party will cry uncle first ? That’s TBD.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 6:00 utc | 154
Errrata – battle of attrition
(Not barrel of attrition)
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 6:01 utc | 155
Posted by: tawharanui
Please post the dailysitrep from telegram 😀
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 6:02 utc | 156
my mistake, Qatar is talking today.
considering that some of the judges were appointed less than a month ago, i wonder how they had the time to study the written statements sent by the states throughout 2023
it will take month before they vote on this separate case
but 26th is the big day with both last day of the current hearings on the legality questions regarding the colonisation AND the deadline given to Israel to answer about the “plausibility of genocide” put forward on 26th january by the ICJ after SA request
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 23 2024 6:04 utc | 157
If you cant be botherd to look why should we for you ? Its an open resource.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 20:32 utc | 93
Mark, that’s cheap and you know it. I have looked.
No links for the month of Feb. – Librul’s last 15 posts or so.
Have you ever tried to use the search function here? It doesn’t work very
good at all. It gives different results when you refresh, it leaves out many posts.
It’s not at all reliable. It’s extremely time consuming.
All I’ve seen is references to info from the NYT or Israeli media. If that’s what librul is
basing his theory on then imo it’s very suspect. If it’s such an important issue why can’t
someone link to reliable sources?
Take a look at Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 5:48 utc | 150
That’s how you make a case!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 6:07 utc | 158
Laura,
A BBC interview with Edward Said
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ghfqZgugpdo&pp=ygUPZWR3YXJkIHNhaWQgYmJj
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 6:09 utc | 159
Posted by: jef | Feb 23 2024 1:48 utc | 139
I believe that also, jef, thank you. I have to say I respect bevin, and have been hoping events at the UN court would bring this terrible continuing violence against the Palestinians to an end. That is the bottom line. As to other issues being hotly discussed here, I am out of my depth. I apologize if I have misspoken. China’s defense of the Palestinian cause has to be a positive sign, as would be taking the matter out of the Security Council and into the General Assembly of the UN if that will provide clarity and calm. Madness must not prevail; anger needs to take a back seat. Please.
Posted by: juliania | Feb 23 2024 6:31 utc | 160
waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 6:07 utc | 156
“All I’ve seen is references to info from the NYT or Israeli media. If that’s what librul is
basing his theory on then imo it’s very suspect. If it’s such an important issue why can’t
someone link to reliable sources?”
You’re not making any sense. Any contention that the Zionist government deliberately allowed the attack to happen, or even engineered it, is damning for that government, and therefore is what you’d expect the pro-Zionist media to suppress. Therefore, the very best kind of source is where that very media feels forced to admit such evidence, talking against their own book.
In my own blogging I always regarded the very best source to be when I could cite the likes of the NYT talking against its own book.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 23 2024 6:33 utc | 161
Israel just goes on with the extermination of the Palestinians and as I have already said before nobody is going to stop them
Actually the collective West is actively helping with the genocide including starving them to death
So we can write and complain whatever we want as it’s the satanic Cabal in charge who makes the decisions
Covid, Ukraine, Pissrael, and so on is all a project of the Satanists
And what exactly are we going to do about it besides our little online war?
We can’t do shit because the billions of sheeps won’t be able to do a real brutal revolution that train has left the human mind many years ago
And without such a brutal revolution nothing ever will change….
Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Feb 23 2024 6:45 utc | 162
🙂 Be a white kite angel beaming love back to Earth. You can do it, guys! Be better than your baser selves and love one another. Thank you, Refaat.
There shall be a United Palestine, a secular land celebrating all the colors of its diverse religious and ethnic history, with openness and love for all who can share with others. <3
We have to dream of a better world to guide our baby steps towards it. ^.^ Hug your neighbor!
/cheep cheep
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 23 2024 6:48 utc | 163
Waynorinorway @ 156
Thanks for your reply, i really dont see the problem, just look at the relivant posts that b kindly provided when this all unfolded,
Its prdtty easy to scan the few pages for links. You must have seen the helicoptor shooting at ravers. Or the carnage by tank on their own people. The witness reports of unmanned observation posts. Details of inteligence reports of oncoming action by Hamas ignored by high command. I could go on,
Daily b gives us a fresh page to scrible on.
Thats worthless if those pages are disregarded within a few days. This blog is an account of history in the making, not a throw away tissue, or amusment.
Finaly to put it bluntly im very busy trying to save the life of my partner at the momment.
So im on MOA tick over. Sorry, an i was weak on links at the best of times. No laptop just old samsung mob.
Anyway all the best to you, your a clap not a boo.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:07 utc | 164
And what exactly are we going to do about it besides our little online war?
Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Feb 23 2024 6:45 utc | 160
The first is to destroy the lies.
The second is to bear witness.
This lays the groundwork for moral war.
The moral victory lays the ground for the military victory – Sun Tzu.
This is the purpose of the online battle of which the battle in the courts and media is an extension.
Once the mind-virus has been purged the Empire cannot justify it’s actions with lies anymore.
Yes, for a while we stand paralyzed, but we are no longer blind.
No longer blind, we slowly begin to move in opposition to Empire.
Stripped bare of it’s robes, the Emperor stands naked for all to see.
And His Violence is Merely Violence.
No Longer cloaked in the facade of Justice.
No Divine Right to Mass Murder anymore.
Though the Mass Murder Proceeds Apace.
All Barriers are Removed to Resistance.
And the Empire becomes just another Murderer, fugitive from Justice.
Some have already begun to give chase to this fugitive:
The Houthi sinks the Empires Navies.
The Old Man of Mount Lebanon casts fire.
The Rebels of Iraq send black birds of fear from the sky, raining terror upon the Empires distant out posts.
Yes, we move slowly, but not much slower than the Empire …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 7:10 utc | 165
(Not barrel of attrition)
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 6:01 utc | 153
Which reminds me, it’s time for my Friday drink …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 7:12 utc | 166
SUMMARY of all resistance operations today, February 22 (2024), against (US)-israeli forces
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/5554
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/5555
— Yemeni Armed Forces:
Targeted israeli military positions in the Umm al-Rashrash area (Eilat) south of occupied Palestine, with ballistic missiles and drones.
Targeted the British ship “ISLANDER” in the Gulf of Aden with anti-ship missiles, directly hitting and causing a fire on board.
Targeted an American destroyer in the Red Sea with kamikaze drones.
— Al-Qassam Brigades:
Targeted a Merkava tank with a Yassin 105 rocket, in the Zaytoun neighborhood, Gaza City.
Targeted a special Zionist force inside a house with TBGs, engaged with them in combat using machine guns in the neighborhood west of Khan Yunis, south of Gaza.
In a joint-operation with the Mujahideen Brigades, they shelled a gathering of IOF forces, south of the Zaytoun neighborhood in Gaza City with mortar shells.
Destroyed an IOF armored personnel carrier (APC) with a Yassin 105 rocket, in the Sheikh Nasser area, Khan Yunis.
— Al-Quds Brigades:
Shelled a gathering of IOF soldiers in the Zaytoun neighborhood, southeast of Gaza City, with a barrage of 60mm regular mortars.
Sniped an israeli soldier in the neighborhood west of Khan Yunis.
Shelled “Mefalsim” and “Nir Am” with a rocket barrage.
Shelled a gathering of israeli soldiers around the Ashour Mill in the middle of the Zaytoun neighborhood, Gaza City, with mortar shells and 107mm rockets.
— Mujahideen Brigades:
Targeted IOF soldiers’ positions east of Beit Hanoun, with mortar shells.
Shelled the IOF forces’ gatherings in southeast Gaza with short-range rockets.
Shelled a gathering of the israeli forces, south of Al-Zaytoun neighborhood in Gaza City, with mortar shells, in a joint-operation with the Al-Qassam Brigades.
— The Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades:
Shelled IOF army gatherings and positions north of the Gaza Strip with 107mm rockets.
— Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades:
In a joint-operation with the Omar Qassem Forces, they launched a 107mm rocket barrage at the IOF supply line in the southern axis of Gaza City, and confirmed direct hits.
Shelled IOF army gatherings and their vehicles with a number of 60mm standard caliber mortar shells, east of Al-Bureij camp in the central Strip.
Shelled military gatherings and their vehicles with a 107mm rocket barrage in the northern eastern axis of Gaza.
Engaged in fierce clashes with IOF soldiers and their vehicles using machine guns and anti-tank shells in the Al-Zaytoun neighborhood, east of Gaza City.
Sniped an IOF soldier, hitting him directly in the eastern Gaza axis.
Targeted an IOF military vehicle with a tandem rocket, in the Al-Zaytoun neighborhood, hitting it directly and causing it damage.
Targeted a quadcopter drone and managed to shoot it down and seize it in the eastern Gaza Strip.
Shelled a gathering of IOF forces with 60mm caliber standard mortar shells in the axis of the Al-Zaytoun neighborhood east of Gaza City.
— Hezbollah (12 operations)
Targeted the command HQ of the Eastern Brigade 769 at the Kiryat Shmona military base, with appropriate weapons.
Targeted a building housing Zionist soldiers in the Kfar Yoval settlement with suitable weapons.
Targeted spy equipment at the Birkat Risha site with suitable weapons.
Targeted a building housing israeli soldiers, in the Metulla settlement with suitable weapons.
Targeted the Ruwaysat Al-Alam site in the occupied Shebaa Farms with rockets.
Targeted the Al-Samaqa IOF site in the occupied Shebaa Farms with rockets, achieving direct hits.
Targeted a building housing israeli soldiers, in the Al-Manara settlement with suitable weapons.
Targeted the Yuav base with Katyusha rockets.
Targeted the Kela IOF base with dozens of Katyusha rockets, achieving direct hits.
Targeted the Birkat Risha site with a Burkan IRAM rocket.
Targeted a gathering of israeli soldiers around the Hanita site with rockets.
Targeted the Ma’ale Golan IOF base, with a rocket salvo.
@FotrosResistance
Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 23 2024 7:19 utc | 167
Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 23 2024 7:19 utc | 165
Amazing. Thanks for this summary.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 7:20 utc | 168
Arch Bungle
That drink is on me.
Your the best commenter by far on this blog.
Your @ 163 is Legendary.
One day you will get a statue, i’m sure of it.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:22 utc | 169
im very busy trying to save the life of my partner at the momment.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:07 utc | 162
Best to you and yours there, Mark.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 7:26 utc | 170
im very busy trying to save the life of my partner at the momment.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:07 utc | 162
You’re a good man Mark, all best.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 23 2024 7:43 utc | 171
Waynorinnorway & patroklos
Thanks, we may differ at times but we are here fighting the good fight, where the hell is the rest of the public.
Respect guys.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 7:57 utc | 172
Waynorinorway & patroklos
Thanks guys, we all try our best, we are here
fighting the good fight.
Where the hell is the rest of the wider public, they need to wake up, they/we will be next.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2024 8:03 utc | 173
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 23 2024 6:33 utc | 159
I understand your thinking and agree it’s a useful approach, sometimes. But then what is true
from those sources and what is false? As I understand it Israeli society is fairly evenly divided about their gov’t? Which side is the Israeli media on? Which side is the NYT on?
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 8:10 utc | 174
The European Conservative reports:
Communists Top the Polls in Brussels, Backed by Muslim Vote
Antisemitism has surged in the EU capital in response to Israel’s war against the Islamist terrorists of Hamas
A Marxist-Leninist party with a strong Islamic voter base is polling in first place in the city of Brussels prior to national and European elections, overtaking erstwhile Wallonian liberals and Greens as it rallies Muslim voters disaffected by Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza.
The Workers’ Party of Belgium (PTB) has grown popular over the past decade by tapping into Turkish and Arab voters with its vocal ‘anti-Zionism’ and now seems to be Brussels’ most popular political party, with 21% of public support—eating up votes previously held by other socialist parties.
The Maoist offshoot has long been accused of antisemitism; it once burned an Orthodox Jew in effigy at a demonstration. The PTB was most recently criticised for its tacit support of the Hamas terror group’s October 7th massacres in Israel.
The rage against Israel is shaking the throne room of the EU.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2024 8:26 utc | 175
The moral victory lays the ground for the military victory – Sun Tzu.
Not Sun Tzu.
Sun Tzu never talks about morality.
Also
“An Evil man will burn down his own country to rule over the ashes”
Is also a quote I often see falsely attributed to Sun Tzu.
Again, Sun Tzu never talks of morality, or good and evil.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 8:26 utc | 176
waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 8:10 utc | 172
“I understand your thinking and agree it’s a useful approach, sometimes. But then what is true
from those sources and what is false? As I understand it Israeli society is fairly evenly divided about their gov’t? Which side is the Israeli media on? Which side is the NYT on?”
I don’t have direct acquaintance with the media of the Zionist state, though I get the impression there might be greater variation of ideology and allowable opinion than in the US imperial media, I assume because of conflict between beleaguered secularism and the rising strength of fundamentalist Judaism.
As for the NYT, of course it’s the imperial “paper of record” and is in principle a monolith for the empire (as broadly defined). Even so it sometimes lets some actual reportage of reality slip through, either because one power faction is using a piece of reality against another faction, or because at some point cognitive dissonance is becoming too extreme to just wave away.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 23 2024 8:42 utc | 177
The Arabs were outraged, and declared war…
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:19 utc | 134
The Arab states in 1948 didn’t invade because of the UN decision, but because of the ethnic cleansing and forced expulsion of the Palestinian population, including the massacre of Deir Yassin, that was already taking place before the UN vote.
Posted by: laguerre | Feb 23 2024 8:44 utc | 178
PQ, you are full of shit. There.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 23 2024 2:43 utc | 142
Is that the best you can do? Do you have the IQ and capability to listen / read / interpret the hundreds of pages of documents submitted and compare?
Lavrov is a skilled diplomat who says different things depending on whom he’s addressing.
Russia at ICJ:
“Russia, of all countries, understands the dangers of terrorism. We have faced this evil time and again. Let me use this opportunity to reiterate our heartfelt condolences to the Israelis who lost their loved ones in the attack on 7 October. Brutal massacres of innocent people, taking of hostages and other terrorist violence do not have, and cannot have, any justification. We have repeatedly condemned such acts. Let me also stress that Russia highly values the stable relations that we enjoy with Israel. We are united by shared history of combating Nazism, as well as by a myriad of present-day human ties. Our co-operation is resilient in the face of geopolitical turbulence, and we are committed to its further development.
…
“It must in particular cease all settlement activities and all other activities that impede reaching a final status agreement. At the same time, discussion on Israel’s responsibility must remain within the limits imposed by the advisory nature of these proceedings and to the need to create conditions for successful final status negotiations. and Palestine are under an obligation to conduct, in good faith and without delay, negotiations aimed at reaching a final status agreement.”
The smoking gun
Having said that, the Court will be wise not to engage in a detailed discussion on a precise scope and forms of implementation of Israel’s responsibility.
The Global South have all made powerful presentations calling for all the big horrors of occupation to be addressed by the COURT.
NOTE: UNLIKE CHINA, Russia is labeling resistance as terrorism. Russia is a military powerhouse. They know perfectly well that most civilians killed in Israel were killed by the IDF. Putin said to Tucker he knows the CIA is behind funding the destabilization of Russia. Why doesn’t he call the CIA “terrorists”? Because he’s hoping that NATO will get tired of funding the Ukrainian black hole and Russia can re-enter the oxymoron of Western civilization.
The reason they have not designated Hamas as terrorists in Russian law is because they want to position themselves as “friends” to the Muslim world. Russia is (probably) genuinely concerned about the deaths in Gaza but their goal along with Ireland is to preserve the Israeli apartheid status quo, give Palestinians the minimum state possible.
Russia is advocating a return to a Quartet type process of which it was one of the four members from 2002 to 2021. The Quartet did nothing but sit back and watch as settlements were built. The Quartet did NOTHING about the 17 year Gaza siege.
The USSR, (not in 1948 but later) was pro Palestine, The Communist Party of Russia remains pro Palestinian unlike Putin’s United Russia which is pro Israel although it is trying to sell itself pre-election as some sort of “neutral” mediator which cares about human rights.
While individual Irish have been absolute champions for Palestine, the government has not. Not cutting UNRWA funding based on Israeli allegations extricated through torture is hardly something to write home about.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/palestinian-protesters-criticise-sinn-fein-after-being-ejected-from-belfast-rally-ANEZSGBQZFHQZHARJVRANEX5IU/
The Axis of Genocide at ICJ so far: US, France, Hungary, Ireland, Netherlands, Russia, Luxembourg is NOT calling on the ICJ to address: apartheid, torture, detention, all the big horrors of the occupation.
They are focusing exclusively on the psychotic settlers, an easy target that all can agree on. They want Israel to remain an apartheid state while Palestine gets two demilitarized Bantustans connected by a road. They want a return to negotiation processes they can control. They do not want the court to address apartheid, torture and detention of Palestinians. Where is the part of Ireland’s presentation where they address anything other than a vague two state and settlers????
Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 8:44 utc | 179
As I understand it Israeli society is fairly evenly divided about their gov’t? Which side is the Israeli media on? Which side is the NYT on?”
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 23 2024 8:42 utc | 175
I scan Israeli media English and Hebrew regularly. Israelis are divided on the government over issues of judicial reform, money given to Orthodox Jews who don’t serve, and all sorts of domestic issues. There may be a liberal/secular vs Orthodox divide but it does not extend to seeing Palestinians as human.
They are 96% united (according to polls) on exterminating Palestinians.
Every Labour and Likud PM since 1948 has participated in what would be considered terrorist acts if done by Palestinians. I don’t think Golda Meir participated physically but she certainly approved terrorist operations.
I remember even 30 years ago the the real peaceniks who considered all humans to be equal were a tiny majority considered to be weirdos.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/how-haaretz-has-aided-israels-genocide-in-gaza/
The Hebrew media discuss how they want investigations into Oct 7. It is widely known that the IDF killed its own BUT they are united in blaming it on Palestinians in their English media. The big investigation by Ynet has remained in Hebrew even if one of the authors is Ronen “fake news” Bergman, who also writes for NYT.
I can’t remember who it was that said, Zionism will / would collapse on its own even if they’d set themselves up on an empty island in the ocean. I suspect it’s because it’s an ideology based on lies, racial discrmination and violence. There is huge discrimination against Arab Jews who are forced to “peove their mettle” by equalling the violence of the Ashkenazi.
Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 9:00 utc | 180
How come I can find in 30 seconds
https://suntzusaid.com/book/1
And morals are mentioned
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 23 2024 9:03 utc | 181
As for my own “action”, that’s my business.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 23:44 utc | 125
I agree. By the same logic isn’t everyone else’s action their own business and not yours?
Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 9:08 utc | 182
@Exile
Algeria’s Draft Resolution of Feb 20 that was vetoed. It is imho a clear, precise draft that hits all the key points.
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/045/82/pdf/n2404582.pdf?token=rwRO1bkjSpi7jXGhpj&fe=true
Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied
in 1967, and reiterating the vision of the two-state solution, with the Gaza Strip as
part of the Palestinian State,
1. Demands an immediate humanitarian ceasefire that must be respected by all parties;
2. Reiterates its demand that all parties scrupulously comply with their obligations under international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law, in particular including with regard to the protection of civilians and civilian objects, and in this regard deplores all attacks against civilians and civilian objects, as well as all violence and hostilities against civilians,
and all acts of terrorism;
3. Rejects forced displacement of the Palestinian civilian population, including women and children, in violation of international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law, and demands an immediate end to any such violations;
4. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address medical needs of all hostages, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain and respect their human rights;
5. Reiterates its call for the full, rapid, safe, and unhindered humanitarian access into and throughout the entire Gaza Strip and for the urgent, continuous and sufficient provision of humanitarian assistance at scale to the Palestinian civilian population, including by facilitating the use of all available routes to and throughout the entire Gaza Strip, including border crossings, in accordance with international
humanitarian law and its relevant resolutions;
6. Demands the implementation of its resolutions 2712 (2023) and 2720 (2023) in full;
7. Reiterates its unwavering commitment to the vision of the two-State solution where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders, consistent with international law and relevant UN resolutions, and in this regard stresses the importance of unifying the Gaza Strip with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority;
8. Emphasizes the importance of preventing further escalation in the region, and, in this regard, calls on all parties to exercise maximum restraint and calls on all those with influence on the parties to work toward this objective;
9. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.
Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 9:16 utc | 183
RE: The rage against Israel is shaking the throne room of the EU.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2024 8:26 utc | 173
I had never even heard of the PTB party before your post. Holding 10 of 75 seats is pretty amazing. Obviously the article you linked was a “hit piece” for them and George Galloway, and the “far right” that is so “dangerous” to the status quo.
I appreciate the information and will examine more of this rising power party. It’s hard to glean the truth of what their position & popularity really is from this hit piece, but thx for heads up regarding Brussels.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 23 2024 9:33 utc | 184
RE: Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 23 2024 7:19 utc | 165
Thanks for in-depth sit-rap.
I heard from Mohammed OD two things. One, that China recently reinforced Fleet #45 in Red Sea, bringing in another naval fleet #46 under the guise of “preventing piracy and safeguarding fleet” or some such thing.
He mentioned an incident where and Israeli cargo ship was under Ansarallah attack and called for China’s ship to assist and it was ignored. It appeared to be an attempt to bring China into the fray.
He did state all ships non-Israeli, UK, US were sailing around fine.
I was wondering if you had heard any report confirming any of this? Anyways, thx again for earlier report.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 23 2024 9:46 utc | 185
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 23 2024 9:03 utc | 179
Name the chapter and verse. ( You cant)
He talks about “the moral law”, but it isnt morals like we think morals. Just, “that with which causes the people to be in complete accord with the ruler”
He does not actually assess anything that is moral or immoral.
The actual quotes i stated are not Sun Tzu quotes.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:53 utc | 186
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 1:19 utc | 134
Your flippant and careless couple of sentences on 1948 Palestine history is a disservice to all readers at MoA. I’m appalled.
(while we all make mistakes / misspeak now and then) Your self-evaluation about your own prowess in history clearly exceeds your level of competence. Some objective assessments, self-reflection and humility would not harm you or others. Even checking the facts before posting anything could only help.
If you are going make historical statements on serious matters, though, at least be accurate and provide substantiating references for your own ‘personalized’ commentary.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 10:09 utc | 187
Re: Daily SITREP
Critical summary. Thank you. No wonder the Likud was forced to pull out all its conscripts and weekend warriors. The remaining 3 IDF brigades of regulars ( out of 23 originally deployed) are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned. The Battle of Kahn Yonis (sp?) is now in its 2nd or 3rd week without success on the part of the IDF, only grim
causulties and tactical defeats. Arch‘s prediction that the breakdown of the IDF would occur in early Feb. Seems to have been roughly true.
Re: Algerian UNSC resolution
Thanks for posting the text. I think the killer provolones were the statements that Gaza and West Bank are part and parcel of a Palestian state. There is no way the Likud would allow that to be further enshrined into international law.
Re: 1948 War
The lie of massive Arab Armies making a surprise unprovoked attack on tiny innocent Israel is revealed by 2 simple data points
1) the massacre of Deir Yassin occurred in April. The War started a few weeks later in May.
2) there were no massive Arab Armies, since the various Arab countries were still under colonial rule. There were Arab Colonial Miltias that attempted to stop the massacres. Not Armies.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 10:13 utc | 188
money given to Orthodox Jews who don’t serve (in the military)
Posted by: pq | Feb 23 2024 9:00 utc | 178
And do not work. They are paid welfare to be ‘religious’ and pray full time and as well as to raise massive families…. plus all the other freebies (land housing food services personal security guards) they get to live in the west bank …. iirc in multiple docos and media reports across years.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 10:16 utc | 189
Norway gave interesting details about the historical background details for 1946-1948. But i do not understand in which legal frame they talk, since they sign agreements with the EU that apparently their own legal advisers consider illegal.
Even themselves seem to be erring, with the 1st speaker saying he speaks ‘on behalf of the Government of Norway’ and the ambassador who spoke second saying he speaks ‘on behalf of the Kingdom of Norway’
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 23 2024 10:19 utc | 190
@ Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 7:10 utc | 163
kudos.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 10:21 utc | 191
Haredim, not Arabs or Iran, are the biggest threat to Israel – opinion
By DAN PERRY Published: JULY 5, 2021
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968#google_vignette
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 10:23 utc | 192
Quds News Network
@QudsNen
One of the Israeli soldiers, who were critically wounded in the operation on a military checkpoint in occupied Jerusalem this morning, is a soldier, who has recently returned from Gaza.
His Facebook account documents several crimes that he committed against civilians in Gaza, including this footage, which shows him detonating houses.
He describes the detonation of civilians’ houses as one of the “Coolest and most interesting things” that he did.
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1760628439298580868
Posted by: Menz | Feb 23 2024 10:34 utc | 193
Likud trying to bribe Israelis to return to Gaza envelope (illegal) settlements :,
The incentive deal between the treasury and local mayors includes a lump sum grant of approximately NIS 15,000 ($4,000) for single-person households. Couples with one child will receive NIS38,700 ($10,000), with payments ranging up to NIS 62,000 ($17,000) for couples with four children.
Residents of all evacuated settlements who wish to remain in hotels will be able to continue to stay there until July 7. But according to one draft framework, the longer evacuees stay in hotels, the less money they will receive as a resettlement grant when they do return.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/army-okays-return-to-towns-along-gaza-border-as-state-readies-incentives/
Comment – given the hundreds of Israelis massacred by the IDF on 7.Oct; it’s not surprising that the Likud needs to bribe people with huge payments to return to the area.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 10:40 utc | 194
Arya – آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
Funeral of child killers
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1760792503958012417
Posted by: Menz | Feb 23 2024 10:40 utc | 195
Re: 1948 War
The lie of massive Arab Armies making a surprise unprovoked attack on tiny innocent Israel is revealed by 2 simple data points
1) the massacre of Deir Yassin occurred in April. The War started a few weeks later in May.
2) there were no massive Arab Armies, since the various Arab countries were still under colonial rule. There were Arab Colonial Miltias that attempted to stop the massacres. Not Armies.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 10:13 utc | 186
So somebody asked a question about Jews buying Israel. She had already said thank you to everyone bombarding her with links and book recommends. I was just trying to get in quick with the 3% of land factoid. I would have rather posted the maps that show israels progression of land control, but hey…
I got timeline a bit mixed up, as usa recognized israel may 14, 1948, same day as israel declared independence, and the next day arab neighbors declared war.
Jordan, syria, and Egypt were already independent nations by then.
Britain recognized egypt in 1922, Jordan in 1946, and Syria 1945. It wasnt a surprise attack because tension was already high.
The UN vote, came in 1949. Oops. But even so, all five unsc members voted for it.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 10:47 utc | 196
Quds News Network
@QudsNen
·
3h
An Israeli soldier, speaking fluent American accent, documents IOF soldiers blowing up civilian homes in Khan Yunis while making fun of that.
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1760930735043526754
Posted by: Menz | Feb 23 2024 10:47 utc | 197
Your self-evaluation about your own prowess in history clearly exceeds your level of competence.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 10:09 utc | 185
Somebody asked me what my major was. I said “history, with a focus on subaltern, in particular african american.”
LoL
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 10:51 utc | 198
The first is to destroy the lies.
The second is to bear witness.
This lays the groundwork for moral war.
The moral victory lays the ground for the military victory – Sun Tzu.
….
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2024 7:10 utc | 163
You have a bug in your first line. Moral victory can not ride the coat-tails of soldiers of half-truths. The issue comes to a head in the second line. The witnessing clarifies the situation of the ‘almost good’. They will have to choose.
Remember: when the armies of half-truth meets the armies of lies and Jacob and Esau divided their sheep?
If we can not be friends, can’t we be “partners”?
(That is the chorus line of that little ditty)
& p.s. to you know who: it was good to see your toes wiggling again out in the garden. no longer bent on utter destruction \(o)/ 30. finally figure out what is so special about Adam (saws) and his children?
Posted by: sunof27 | Feb 23 2024 11:04 utc | 199
Re: 1948 War
Anyone discussing that subject should be familiar with UNR194 which key provision is:
refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Comment – someone needs to calculate what‘s 75 years of compound interest and 75 years of back rent worth on those properties
Posted by: Exile | Feb 23 2024 11:08 utc | 200