@Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 13:44 utc | 1
That very first line should be amended for clarity.
iZreal recognized that Hamas’ written plan for Oct 7th could not succeed.
iZreal recognized that Hamas’ written plan for Oct 7th could not succeed without iZrael’s help.

Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 14:09 utc | 4

Reuters headline -“Putin ally hails Russian exit from 1956 fishing deal with Britain, London shrugs”
The unsinkable economy of the mighty Britannica. Tis but a flesh wound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 14:15 utc | 6

“ridiculous and racist notion that Israel’s government and military were accomplices in the historic defeat of October 7th.”
What is “racist” in that observation?
though it is fair to tag Israel as apartheid racist.
And all telltales seem to indicate that Oct7 was at least a LIHOP operation from Israels government side. ( Fuze set of with the Settler demonstrations Oct4 )
But it looks like Netanyahu misjudged the scope of the intercation.

Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:32 utc | 8

ad hominem
and then some
@Posted by: bevin | Feb 22 2024 14:19 utc | 7
iZrael would never conduct a false flag ever
The USS Liberty false flag worked so well for iZrael that they decided to quit while they were ahead.
And in 2005 the surviving Zio agents of the Lavon Affair were awarded certificates of appreciation
by the President of iZrael.

Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 14:36 utc | 10

Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 13:44 utc | 1
After some thought librul, you are on to something.
If indeed it can be proven that the IDF were complicit on 7/10 it would so devastating that that could be the end of Israel.
Keep up the good work, I was slow in seeing the “big picture”

Posted by: canuck | Feb 22 2024 14:53 utc | 12

What is incredible is that iZrael had Hamas’ plans a year in advance
and then thought that they could get away with
removing the majority of their troops around Gaza
just in time for Oct 7th.
How could they believe that people would be stupid enough
not to notice the glaring deviation from what they should have been
be doing in that circumstance.
What they should have been doing is adding more troops.
Listening to their border watchers.
Take it seriously when their intelligence officers tell them Oct 7th is imminent.
Instead of hamstringing their intelligence services by halting the monitoring
of Hamas’ hand held radios they should have increased their diligence.
Their support troops and reinforcements should have trained repeatedly to
arrive in force **quickly** once a Hamas jail break was under way.
Incredible!
They think people are stupid.
It is like someone dug a deep deep hole in a sidewalk
then dutifully placed multiple warning signs surrounding it
and then iZrael comes along whistling a tune and walks straight into it.
iZrael: “Outrageous! Who put this hole here? I never saw it coming!!
I just fell into this hole some bastard put here. I will get them!!
How dare they! Where is my lawyer?!!”

Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 14:56 utc | 14

Bevin i think your in denial, if the truth Librul repeats irate’s you just scroll past.
But you cant repeat the truth often enough in this post truth world.
Every campagine the west starts is based on a false statment or lie. Liberul exposes the fundimental simple lie here, and should continue to do so.
Other random examples.
Russia poisened the Skripals. Lie.
Sadan Hassan had weopens of massdistruction. Lie.
Binladen was the master mind behind 9/11. Lie.
Ukraine conflict started 24 feb. 2022.
There are many other examples, im sure you will agree.
Librul nails the lie.
Daily people come to this blog looking for the truth. Dont disrupt that Please.
Since way before 2 oct israel has been seeking to expand israel. Ther is no coinsidence here.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 15:02 utc | 16

Posted by: canuck | Feb 22 2024 14:53 utc | 12
If indeed it can be proven that the IDF were complicit on 7/10 it would so devastating that that could be the end of Israel.

It won’t change a thing.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 22 2024 15:04 utc | 18

Here is an article from an Israel newspaper that does back up that israel did have some warning about an upcoming attack.
https://worldisraelnews.com/idf-heard-about-hamas-invasion-a-week-before-october-7th-security-head-reveals/

Posted by: golddigger | Feb 22 2024 15:11 utc | 20

librul | Feb 22 2024 13:44 utc | 1
This is sort of your focus so let me continue from the previous thread. What is the original source of the accusation that Israel buried destroyed vehicles from the Rave in the desert?
What are the various sources and how did they break down the number of dead, POWs, and hostages from October 7th?
What is the current status and numbers of the remaining pows and hostages. Including the Palestinians being held, what are there conditions like?
Do you have any links on what events took place on October second in the occupied lands?
Things do have to be repeated here over time as we get many new arrivals looking for information. However perhaps you could extend your case beyond what you have been posting daily?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:13 utc | 22

Now guys, please be careful you are being tracked……God’s gonna be pissed and lookin’ for you, when he gets back from…..guess those new planets in that other universe are taking more time to set up, sure hope he skips the human part, seems he got it wrong this go around.
Cheers M
….tracked, recorded, some people love to take the piss, too funny, you’d have to be brain dead and fucked over to believe one has anonymity on the Internet….sorry, just way to funny….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 22 2024 15:18 utc | 24

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 22 2024 14:55 utc | 13
Absolutely. Hamas has made history with their political, military, and Tactical acumen.
“Hamas – genius technical capabilities and airtight iron clad secrecy.
Mossad/Shin Bet/IDF/Settlers – Stupidest most underfunded incompetent overconfident failure of a 24/7/365 high tech surveillance network ever ”
Israel’s strategy- provocation (October 2nd and prior) and LIHOP. Normalization of relations with Arab Neighbors.
All of these things can be true at the same time, creating the potential for a Palestinian victory over the crazed occupiers.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:21 utc | 26

guess what, qatar does not participate in the ICJ hearings

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 22 2024 15:30 utc | 28

“I’ll highlight members, as that is the link to to “tally” documents we were discussing.”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 15:20 utc | 25
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2024 0:59 utc | 243
Attaching docs:
https://unitingforpeace.com/general/ufp-agm-and-spring-conference-avoiding-a-broader-middle-east-war/
Title: Avoiding a Broader Middle East War – Building Bridges for Peace between Israel-Palestine
Date: Tuesday, 27 February 2024
Time: 18:00 – 20:00 (UK time)
Venue: Online
UNGA:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_377
“The resolution was designed to provide the UN with an alternative avenue for action when at least one P5 member uses its veto to obstruct the Security Council from carrying out its functions mandated by the UN Charter.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 15:33 utc | 30

Tom_Q_Collins 😂 that was hilarious and so crude I’m not going to backlink to it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:34 utc | 32

https://ask.un.org/faq/177134
Ask DAG
What is the Uniting for peace resolution?
Where can I find information about emergency special sessions of the General Assembly?
General Assembly resolution 377(V) is known as the Uniting for peace resolution. Adopted in 1950, the resolution resolves that if the Security Council fails to exercise its responsibility to maintain international peace and security, the General Assembly may call an emergency special session. To date, 11 emergency special sessions have been convened.
The following information comes from the UN General Assembly Resolutions Tables research guide :
Emergency Special Sessions of the General Assembly
According the the UN General Assembly website on Emergency Special Sessions,
Under the resolution 377A(V), “Uniting for peace”, adopted by the General Assembly on 3 November 1950, an emergency special session can be convened within 24 hours:
“Resolves that if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendations to Members for collective measures, including in the case of a breach of the peace or act of aggression the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security. If not in session at the time, the General Assembly may meet in emergency special session within twenty-four hours of the request therefor. Such emergency special session shall be called if requested by the Security Council on the vote of any seven members, or by a majority of the Members of the United Nations.”

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:44 utc | 34

Egypt on the ropes. IMF loan near, Suez Canal revenues plunge, LNG production running dry, will cause trade shortage in summer as it will be needed domestically.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-20/egypt-bets-on-imf-deal-to-settle-its-dues-to-foreign-oil-firms?embedded-checkout=true

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 15:51 utc | 36

RE: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 22 2024 15:42 utc | 32
I don’t agree that it is a “stacked deck”. Even the U.S. has a lot riding in this verdict besides Israel. Just like US arbitrary
Insertion of Article 51 “Right 2 Protect” to justify the Kosovo blatant interference and bombing, resulting in Russia’s ability in Ukraine to enact same said article, this ruling will bite US if not handled properly.
The entire UN Charter theme of “Right to Self Determination “ would be rendered null. Which isn’t helpful in their current adventure to “free Taiwan” (why would Taiwanese have right to Self-determination but not Palestinians?)
Their only hope in the course of the next couple of years as far as ICJ “genocide” case against Israel, is too apply myriads upon every known available tactic to get S/A somewhere in the next year or so to drop it. But they have a huge problem now, because many other Nations filed as a piggy back to case. But they are trying, even going so far as to try as designate S/A as a “terrorist” state.
See new U.S. drafted S/A bill to hit Congress.
I am not suggesting any of this legal maneuvering will change anything on the ground or useful for “the now”, but it is and will begin to shape “impunity” in the future.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 16:10 utc | 38

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:44 utc | 33
“Resolves that if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendations to Members for collective measures, including in the case of a breach of the peace or act of aggression the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security. If not in session at the time, the General Assembly may meet in emergency special session within twenty-four hours of the request therefor. Such emergency special session shall be called if requested by the Security Council on the vote of any seven members, or by a majority of the Members of the United Nations.”

VERY interesting. Thank you. So mechanisms are in place to resolve things though after almost five months have not been used; so am not holding breath on that front.
Are there accurate figures viz how many Gazans have already left, how many remain in North Gaza & South Gaza? I mean: are they still not allowed to leave, or has an exodus already begun; or are they allowed out but refuse to leave?
If South Gaza is reduced to mainly rubble, as I gather is more or less the case in North Gaza, how exactly are people going to keep living there? All mainly in UN-run refugee camps which get occasionally bombed?
In any case, clearly the intention is to move them out of the territory once and for all, talking points about rooting out Hamas and getting hostages back notwithstanding. Is there any realistic expectation that the Zionists are not going to succeed in this? If Turkey, Iran, China, Russia et alia are not going to step in to prevent it, whether via the UNGA or not, then how else is all this going to end?

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 22 2024 16:25 utc | 40

RE: “Also I hear and see supposedly neutral commentators express that Israel has the right to defend itself, …”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 22 2024 15:51 utc | 34
I honestly haven’t read any MOA commentaries stating this.
Must have missed them.
Apparently, the ICJ already ruled once on this regarding an occupier.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 16:42 utc | 42

A very sobering explanation of the causes and circumstances of the Gaza slaughter by Alastair Crooke

Posted by: kalo | Feb 22 2024 16:51 utc | 44

ICJ Legality of Israeli occupation
Global South (26 upto Feb 22 morning + Palestine): powerful. One sees the rage that I’ve seen from various FM especially from Israel’s neighbours. Jordan sent the deputy PM. They cover all aspects of the illegal occupation. Maybe they coordinated because they cover different aspects.
Axis of Genocide: US, France, Hungary, Ireland, Netherlands, Russia: hypocritical as always.
Axis of Genocide emphasize solidarity with Israel, focus on the low hanging “violent settlers” and advocate for a political process they can control (as they did over the last 30 years) to save Israel’s apartheid regime.
Most of them mention Oct 7 “terrorism”. Some talk of Israeli hostages with no word on the 11,000 Palestinian hostages including children subject to torture. Nine hostages held by Israel have died from torture since October 7. Especially disgusted by France and Russia offering condolences to Israel but not to Palestine.
Feb 22 morning session:
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240222-ora-01-00-bi.pdf
China: In pursuit of the right to self-determination, the Palestinian people’s use of force to resist foreign oppression and to complete the establishment of an independent State is an inalienable right well founded in international law. Various peoples freed themselves from colonial rule and foreign oppression to realize independent statehood after World War II.
Armed struggle in this context is distinguished from acts of terrorism. It is grounded in international law. This distinction is acknowledged by several international conventions. Article 3 of the Organisation of African Unity Convention on the Prevention and Combating of Terrorism of 1999 provides that “the struggle waged by peoples in accordance with the principles of international law for their liberation or self-determination, including armed struggle against colonialism, occupation, aggression and domination by foreign forces shall not be considered as terrorist acts.”
China didn’t say much about the various horrors of the occupation (which has been well covered by others) but they did take on the elephant in the room.
Iraq: The Israeli occupying entity must be held accountable for its actions, subjecting it to international criminal liability for violating the principles and charters of human rights and the Geneva Conventions related to human rights during armed conflicts. Seizing Palestinian lands, establishing and expanding settlements on them  and the ongoing detention of thousands of Palestinians, including children and women, in detention centres under harsh conditions affecting their health and jeopardizing their safety without trials according to legal principles and without providing proper care, which could lead to deadly consequences.
Ireland (Axis of Genocide): Sneaky bastards only want sanction on settlers, not on Israel.
Japan: Israel must not occupy Gaza (more than it already does) because “self defense”
Jordan: Israel is illegally detaining thousands of children, men and women, and subjecting them to physical and mental torture, humiliation and abuse.
So yes, Global South vs Global North

Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 16:57 utc | 46

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2024 16:44 utc | 42
Agreed. Although it appears “image” is less important than reasserting ME dominance, hoping for an expanded war for the “Final Solution” of bringing ME to heel, and disrupting China oil to squash China production and is more important than Tar Babys existence. They are happy to sacrifice tar baby if in the end, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria & Iran are incapacitated.
It’s a dream… what can I say? They live in a world of delusions.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 17:06 utc | 48

RE: Posted by: juliania | Feb 22 2024 16:55 utc | 44
Agreed. It’s easy to become discouraged with obvious “now” realities. It gave me some hope too. And put to bed any “benefit of the doubt” I might have had regarding Saudi Arabia & UAE.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 17:09 utc | 50

Egypt & the exasperated Arab nations will certainly have a time with their own populations that day.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 16:23 utc | 38
The most brutal violence I have seen has always been in Europe and North America. Not only for Palestine. Look at Yellow Vests, pandemic protests etc.
The difference:
In Europe/ North America the police are repressing the protestors because their leadership is 100% aligned with Israel There is a huge surveillance and repression apparatus. Their governments send tons of money to Israel that could be better spent at home.
On the other hand, in Arab / Muslim nations, the protests are against Israel, not against their leaders. Arabs and Muslims are not stupid as some people seme to think.
They know that the options to fight the Axis of Genocide are limited. Do you think the average Arab in Egypt or Jordan or Saudi wants to see their country end up like Libya, Iraq, Syria?
Should their leaders
-invade Israel?
-end their limited trade with Israel? How would that stop Israel from dropping the 200,000 tons of munitions supplied by constant air bridges from the US?
– what would happen if Egypt broke the Peace Agreement? How devastating would the escalation be?
Even if they were to block trade to Israel, just as with the sanctions on Russia, the burden will fall on average people within their own countries. The Russian sanctions had a huge negative impact on German and Italian industry, on average people.
It’s astonishing that people have a hard time understanding the following:
US, UK, EU can STOP the genocide and there will be NO downside for their populations. There will only be upsides if they dump Israel. There will be more money to spend at home.
For Israel’s neighbours: taking on Israel in ANY WAY carries HUGE RISKS. And no benefits. It increases the risk of regional war. The average Egyptian or Jordanian understands this even if the MoA armchair warriors do not.
What actions should Israel’s neighbours take that would not hurt their populations but would stop Israel’s bombing today???? The million dollar question that is only ever answered by insulting me.

Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 17:15 utc | 52

Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 17:15 utc | 51
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Nothing moves without the direction of Allah Azawajal.
Many of these critics of the Ummah are disbelievers. Their starting point is ill-equipped to understand martyrdom, jihad, and sabr.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 22 2024 17:28 utc | 54

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:21 utc | 26
Read my voluminous commentary at the Week in Review. I don’t have time to play these stupid games anymore. Get back to me after you drop if you are truly interested in further conversation. Also look up sarcasm. Thanks
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 22 2024 16:36 utc | 40
Well if it makes you feel better Tom I did read your over 40 comments, just on page one, and all the comments buried amongst a threat of 400. And that doesn’t include the numerous responses.
It was a good use of time. I didn’t get any new information out of it but largely agree with what I read. Anyways I’m maintain my current position on this. I think the truth remains buried in the fog of War.
I don’t think I’m precisely tracking what you’re saying but please don’t feel obliged to respond. Scrolling is free of charge.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 17:30 utc | 56

But, as usual but, there is a court case going on and actual concrete evidence of this could be included as further evidence of genocide. It could be relevant. It adds the element of premeditation to what’s currently going on in Gaza. Well, more evidence of premeditation.
@Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:32 utc | 29
‘Premeditation’, a concise and penetrating word. Good point, thx.

Posted by: librul | Feb 22 2024 17:36 utc | 58

Equating the Zionist economy with Russia’s is a fallacy. The Zionists are heavily dependent on imports, food especially, but also energy needs. Russia has the ability to exist on its own resources and via trade with friendly nations. The economic blockade is the best non-violent tool nations can use to exert pressure on the Zionists. No, it won’t change the current polling favoring Genocide, but given time to work the trade siege can cause change. The big key of course is stopping the abettors of Genocide–NATO mostly–but succor provided by the Turks and regional Arab states also make them abettors too. And the Zionists can’t attack all of them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2024 17:38 utc | 60

@Bevin
You are throwing your pearls before swine here, comrade. The blog owner’s unwillingness to crack down on the fascism displayed by roughly half his regulars here makes reasoned discussion in the comments impossible.

Posted by: Brautigan | Feb 22 2024 17:54 utc | 62

As I sat pondering the Brilliance of Hamas and recent events I suddenly asked myself a question.
How many events in recent times have suddenly and foundationally changed Western thinking?
Certainly actions by the evil empire. 9/11, covid. Russophobia doesn’t count because it’s a long-term project although it took a sudden shift when the Smo started.
And October 7th. Overnight the views of the world were changed by a desperate last attempt at survival by the people of Gaza.
As the multi-polar world emerges I believe they will be influenced by this outrage.
While we’re asking questions about Israel having for knowledge of the October 7th operation, I wonder to what degree Hamas knew that Nintendo would overreact? He’s always being a nut job.
The popular belief is that nobody anticipated a determined genocide to occur. But I’ve heard little discussion as to what extent the resistance has infiltrated Israeli intelligence.
You know in Russia there’s a saying. Thank you Joe Biden. Really been a big help to the Russians.
Genocide is not a joking matter, but one day they might be saying “thank you Benny, we couldn’t have done it without you.”

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 18:04 utc | 64

“What actions should Israel’s neighbours take that would not hurt their populations but would stop Israel’s bombing today???? The million dollar question that is only ever answered by insulting me.”
Posted by: pq | Feb 22 2024 17:15 utc | 51
I never insulted you, and I have noted your question on a few occasions. And again I pause to ask myself that. One simple step would be to impose sanctions, cease trade and recall ambassadors.
I’m more important that they could take is to covertly send in more advanced arms in quantity. Or whatever material support they can get in. A difficult task.
I would suggest routing large amounts of dark money to a third party far away from Israel that could then hire 50,000 Mercenaries.
You could also consider a volunteer army or just general advice to citizenry to assemble with those nice folks in Lebanon. You would get more volunteers than you could Supply. Hundreds of thousands.
So I don’t pretend to have good answers but I took your question seriously.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 18:24 utc | 66

Bevin i think your in denial, if the truth Librul repeats irate’s you just scroll past.
But you cant repeat the truth often enough in this post truth world.
Every campagine the west starts is based on a false statment or lie. Liberul exposes the fundimental simple lie here, and should continue to do so.
Other random examples.
Russia poisened the Skripals. Lie.
Sadan Hassan had weopens of massdistruction. Lie.
“Binladen was the master mind behind 9/11. Lie.
Ukraine conflict started 24 feb. 2022.
There are many other examples, im sure you will agree.
Librul nails the lie.
Daily people come to this blog looking for the truth. Dont disrupt that Please.
Since way before 2 oct israel has been seeking to expand israel. Ther is no coinsidence here.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 15:02 utc | 16
A good as well as fair post.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 22 2024 18:32 utc | 68

Libril – I have great respect for your focus on how and why this started. This is as critically important as how the Ukraine situation started.
I believe it is critically important to always note that the israel al aqsa mosque attack was a huge provocation to the Hamas 10/7 event. This was a huge issue not only for the Palestinians but for all Muslims.
It actually doesn’t even make any sense unless it was done to goose the planed 10/7 event into something big enough to trigger the larger reaction.
Thanks for your good work.
Cheers! jef

Posted by: jef | Feb 22 2024 18:35 utc | 70

68 – That’s interesting. An American named Kramer boasted of killing Palestinians as a sniper while serving in the 1982 Lebanon war in the IDF. He was probably not unique then and his kind have proliferated.

Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 22 2024 18:42 utc | 72

…..An estimated 23,380 American citizens currently serve in Israeli ranks, according to the Israeli army, the Washington Post reported……
That’s 5% of total IDF fully mobilized

Posted by: Exile | Feb 22 2024 18:58 utc | 74

Saudi Arabia’s speech at the ICJ is a must watch.
Puts an end to all the speculations about their intentions regarding their relationship with Israel.

Posted by: alpi | Feb 22 2024 19:20 utc | 76

Bisfugged: clearly your idea of proof is peculiar. You appear however to excel in childish insults. As well as crude misrepresentation: I have never suggested that the City of London’s financial power is not considerable, particularly in British politics, but it is not and has not been since at last 1931, the centre of capitalist finance, which is what made it important in the first place.
I came here however not to waste my time in silly argument with someone who sees this forum as a playground but to share this important editorial from Tribune.
It argues the importance of the massive, and rapidly growing, movement in western public opinion in favour of Palestine and the increasing isolation of pro-genocide politicians.
“…..And yet it is fitting that it is Palestine which exposes these authoritarian impulses. For years, Palestine has provided the pretext for the Labour Right’s tightening of factional control over Labour and for purging dissenters. In recent months, however, it has also posed a challenge to the political order these people wish to maintain.
“If the leadership of Starmer is best understood as a project dedicated to the narrowing of democratic horizons, the cause of Palestine has been a movement of opening. The millions of ordinary people taking to the streets and organising against genocide in open defiance of Britain’s ruling class beckons the return of the mass politics which Labour’s leadership defines itself against.
“This is why the establishment encourages the most grotesque of smears against the Palestinian people and will go to such lengths to stifle discussion. The prevention of the SNP’s motion was cynically justified by Hoyle as necessary to protect pro-war MPs from a feral public, and Labour framed it as beyond the boundaries of acceptable debate, refusing to accept a text referring to Israel’s ‘collective punishment’ of Palestinians. After 30,000 deaths, the destruction of 70 per cent of Gaza’s buildings, and a famine looming, a fundamental denial of the Palestinian people’s humanity is a precondition to such political assertion.
“But it is worth remembering that the distraction from Gaza provided by the upending of parliament was done in defence of an onslaught that a mere 13 percent of British people support. Our domestic elites know even this support is waning, which has led to undignified, disingenuous attempts to divert the anti-war movement with insincere statements in support of ending the slaughter, suggesting at least some need to reflect the mass movement’s popularity among the population.
“This is why nobody fighting for justice for the Palestinian people should be dispirited. Yesterday’s parliamentary chicanery only happened because the powerful fear that the tried-and-tested methods of crushing democratic pressure are becoming unsustainable. As the Israeli armed forces pummel and starve Palestinians with delight, political support for such a war machine is becoming increasingly untenable — and is already completely unacceptable to millions of people in Britain. The days of insulating themselves from the British public on this question, they fear, may soon be over.
The Hoyle referred to is the Speaker of the House of Commons in Westminster, who yesterday made a corrupt deal to prevent a Scottish National Party motion calling for a ceasefire and an end to collective punishment, from being voted on. With 13% of the public supporting the position of the government, the Opposition and Israel, Hoyle felt that MPs voting against a ceasefire put themselves at risk.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 22 2024 19:30 utc | 78

Posted by: Brautigan | Feb 22 2024 17:54 utc | 61
Hear hear.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 19:39 utc | 80

The local grammar police must love all the wonderfully creative errors my voice dictation software generates. It takes at least as much creative license says chat GTP.
I noticed it has a tendency to generate vulgar insults out of the most mundane sentences. Beware.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 19:48 utc | 82

RE: “In my opinion they are right to exhaust all the legal means before further diplomatic and economic moves. And these should be exhausted too before a hot war can be thought about.”
Posted by: Minaa | Feb 22 2024 18:27 utc | 66
Well, it could get “hotter” I suppose… if full on genocide, displacement, burning Palestinian homes in West Bank and missiles lobbed from Israel, Yemen, Hezbollah, Iraq & Syria doesn’t constitute a “hot war” … then… sure!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 19:59 utc | 84

I’ve taken the liberty of sending out an interplanetary distress call. We should hear back in about a half a million years.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:08 utc | 86

RE: Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:08 utc | 85
That soon?? Still beats the speed of this realm. 🛸 hopeful

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 20:19 utc | 88

“Brautigan @ | Feb 22 2024 17:54 utc | 61 isn’t far off the mark, except I don’t think b is at fault.”
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 22 2024 19:33 utc | 78
Posted by: Brautigan | Feb 22 2024 17:54 utc | 61
Hear hear.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 19:39 utc | 79
Given that the two biggest Global conflicts involved fascist States it’s Small Wonder we get our share of fascist trolls these days.
What’s disappointing is that there usually just drive by Childish insults. Taunting as opposed to argument.
Really! I could do a much better job. B should set me up with a sock puppet account just so I can promote the benefits and Glory you said fascism.
I mean let’s start with Anatomy of the State. You can’t argue with that because anybody that mentions this social contract nonsense is just a weakling soyboy communist.
Actually that was a notable example where modeling ideology concerned me. It’s an extremely solid argument formed by leaving aspects out.
A useful metric I came up with was to leave out citizenship completely when analyzing a country. Said a different way you could assume that every person in the US kills is a US citizen. In that light what kind of system do they have?
DWDude? Anyone? Does anyone know of existing geopolitical computer models?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:23 utc | 90

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:08 utc | 85
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Excellent!
This time span would fit the US agenda to not undermine by unilateral actions (like Israel condemnation) the negotiations for a two state solution.
Lol.

Posted by: scc | Feb 22 2024 20:28 utc | 92

If you cant be botherd to look why should we for you ? Its an open resource. But tbis shows the importance of spotting the original lie, if left unchallenged it becomes accepted, it becommes stale. And set as a false fact.
A lie is like a small snow ball rolling down a mountain, if left it becomes huge… an avalanch. Thats where we are now.
Gerbels or was it gorbols said it.
He he.
Much respect your a good commenter here.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 20:32 utc | 94

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 19:51 utc | 82
I think for everyone in cosy Western cities with time enough on their hands to post on this blog the subject is academic. Doesn’t mean you and I are not on the same page. It’s easy to forget that what unites us all here is our disgust and sadness at the failure of the world we live in. For me at least academic research should always be guided by this critique, not for esoteric consumption or destined for some dusty corner of the library, but underpinned by the sentiment of Thesis 11.
But just to be clear: I have former students and colleagues who are among the most brilliant, sensitive and incisive people I’ve ever met. They are driven by the desire to educate the young, understand the world and hold BS to account. Whatever else one may think goes on in actual universities, I believe in the idea of the university—whether it be Epicurus’ garden, Plato’s Grove of Akademos, or Aristotle’s Lykeion.
When I hear people attacking professors and academics just because they are professors and academics I am reminded of the awful passage in Primo Levi’s Se questo è un uomo: there was green triangle kapo who would greet disembarking inmates at Auschwitz. He would ask what occupation they each had. Then he would single out judges, musicians, academics and other educated professionals and beat them mercilessly with a truncheon, all the while shouting “so you think you’re better than me, eh?”.
Small men with large chips. Millions of them all nursing grudges until they’re swept up into a new SA. Beware: the hate is very strong in them.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 20:33 utc | 96

Patrolklos @ 95
Thanks for your reply, it sounds genuine.
What you describe, i would call karma.
Humilty is a very important ingredient of wisdom. No one is superior to any one else.
Some of us here carefully preserve our anger and outrage to prevent ‘normalisation’
Its a survival tactic.
The diverstiy here is a plus not a minus.
Nazis being the exception, their better dead.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 22 2024 20:51 utc | 98

“Small men with large chips. Millions of them all nursing grudges until they’re swept up into a new SA. Beware: the hate is very strong in them.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 20:33 utc | 95
Sure but don’t personalize all that. There is quite a long history of propagandized hostility towards the scientific and/or academic community.
I am reminded that it’s quite a recent modern phenomena where small academically minded children are suddenly cool. There are many movies around Geeks as Heroes. Interesting anyways.
There has been a huge drop in the Public’s trust and belief in mainstream media.
However at the same time there have been huge breaches in trust, corruption and corporatism that have taken place within science, medicine, and Academia too. The public’s trust has collapsed there as well. Think big Pharma and covid but only as a recent topical example.
You aren’t responsible for that and I can understand how painful it must be given the kind of person you are. Peace.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 20:58 utc | 100