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February 15, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-051
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Spanish, Irish leaders call on Ursula von der Leyen to review EU-Israel trade accord over human rights concerns Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 15 2024 14:44 utc | 1 Erik Prince, head of mercenary group Blackwater, openly calls for the return of imperialism with the U.S. colinisong and ruling Africa and South America. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2024 14:52 utc | 2 This is a very good comment by Richard Boyd on the Irish parliament about Gaza: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2024 15:00 utc | 3 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2024 14:52 utc | 2 Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2024 15:06 utc | 4 Erik Prince’s sister is Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education under Trump. He is often on Bannon’s show. Prince is weird but hyperconnected hence dangerous. Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 15 2024 15:13 utc | 5 This is a very good comment by Richard Boyd on the Irish parliament about Gaza: Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2024 15:16 utc | 6 Jane is right: it is long past the time when we should be demanding sanctions, withdrawal of embassies, freezing of assets etc. Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2024 15:29 utc | 7 The thing with colonialism is that you need a real big military and economic advantage over those you wanna dominate. The US nowadays has neither. If there is anyone who theoretically could do it, it would be China, but they clearly have no interest in the business, having been on the wrong end of the bayonet for long enough. So no, I’m not worried about the return of colonialism (as for neo-colonialism, it seems to be imploding in real time, though it is still mighty capable of doing some nasty damage. We’re staring in the face of a new Third World debt crisis…) Posted by: furnace | Feb 15 2024 15:37 utc | 8 the children of Gaza will never bow to your synagogue of satan Posted by: todd | Feb 15 2024 15:46 utc | 9 The IDF now desires to attack and destroy the Nassar Hospital in Khan Younis. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Feb 15 2024 15:52 utc | 10 Israel Today followed the crazy to the Hague.
marginalia: Hostages Families Forum: Not sending delegation back to Cairo is ‘death sentence’ for remaining hostages
wut Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 15 2024 15:53 utc | 11 bevin (7) Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2024 15:54 utc | 12 Re Erik Prince Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 15 2024 16:16 utc | 13 An earlier comment here referred to a twitter post by Sinai for Human rights (@sinaifhr) on current building of walls that looked like preparation for a “buffer zone” or words to that effect to accomodate those fleeing Rafah. Now the governor of North Sinai has denied the idea, but his summary of Egyptian policy is to reject “forced” movement of people to Egyptian Sinai “permanently”. Mohannad Sabry is an expert i n this area, and he warns everyone to take the possibility seriously. The governor’s expression that Egypt is “prepared for all scenarios”, which presumably could include the enemy blowing a hole in the separation wall. Posted by: Badger | Feb 15 2024 16:23 utc | 14 Technical — Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2024 16:29 utc | 15 Sir Halford Mackinder was a British geographer, academic, and politician. Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 15 2024 16:32 utc | 16 Well, if the time for words is done, then it’s time for the sword, is it not? The only question is: who is going to swing it? Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2024 16:33 utc | 17 The IDF attack on the Nassar Hospital has begun. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Feb 15 2024 16:40 utc | 18 What is wrong with these “ceasefire” people? Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2024 16:45 utc | 19
Don’t forget the culture of nepotism, cronyism and yes men that is absolutely required to advance in the Maerican empire bureaucracy. The stifling group think and desire to please superiors by telling them things they want to hear has led to a entirely predictable and entirely imbecilic juncture. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Feb 15 2024 16:45 utc | 20 The dams are breaking! Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 15 2024 16:51 utc | 21 Re: Al-Qassem Daily Sitreps Posted by: Exile | Feb 15 2024 17:00 utc | 22 The dams are breaking! Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 17:06 utc | 23 @Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 15 2024 15:53 utc | 11 Posted by: librul | Feb 15 2024 17:07 utc | 24 The prisoners currently held by Hamas are nearly all IDF or paramilitaries – hence the best way to describe them is POWs Posted by: Exile | Feb 15 2024 17:10 utc | 25 @ Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 17:06 utc | 23 Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 15 2024 17:17 utc | 26 Ref Egypt Posted by: Minaa | Feb 15 2024 17:26 utc | 27 Prince’s piece is without doubt a kite flown by Queen Victoria Nulend and the neocons. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 17:31 utc | 28 The thought has crossed my mind that it might be a good thing if someone rich hired Eric Prince or some other mercs to fight alongside Hamas, provide some AD, stop the Gaza genocide, take out the Zionists, and impose “order” on Israel—an obviously sick society that cannot govern itself in a responsible fashion. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 17:35 utc | 29 The prisoners currently held by Hamas are nearly all IDF or paramilitaries – hence the best way to describe them is POWs Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 17:38 utc | 30 “This is unbelievable. Jane@17….the Apartheid Regime occupying Palestine has killed many UN Peace Keepers over the years including a Canadian Col. They just cash out a few policies pay off the victims family, buy some grift at the UN, rinse, repeat. If Palestinians are ever to be freed it will not come from the UN. Can the Axis of Resistance up their game….time will tell, meanwhile the deaths will just pile higher, regardless if it’s all in or Cease Fire…..which is just a divestment till the next round of slaughter begins. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 15 2024 18:35 utc | 32 The vice prime minister of Ireland has accused Israel of misinformation about UNRWA involvement in Oct 7 and urges other countries to keep supporting the UNRWA. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Feb 15 2024 18:36 utc | 33 Prince’s piece is without doubt a kite flown by Queen Victoria Nulend and the neocons. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 18:42 utc | 34 “Fact is that Putin, Xi , the Multipolar hearts, have never been interested in the blood money of their fellows. ” “”We are reaching the barriers of language in describing the humanitarian situation,” ICRC president Mirjana Spoljaric told a Geneva briefing for diplomats on events in Gaza. Posted by: Minaa | Feb 15 2024 18:51 utc | 36 “Hostage families” appeal to ICC – Posted by: jayc | Feb 15 2024 18:52 utc | 37 And right now if there were an elected parliament in Saudi led by an elected PM, what would you propose they do? Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 18:56 utc | 38 And right now if there were an elected parliament in Saudi led by an elected PM, what would you propose they do? Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2024 19:19 utc | 39 When I was a kid in the Seattle area I wondered how people in Germany could have allowed their government to do the industrial slaughter of people like cattle in vast slaughter houses. Now I understand , being citizen of the USA and being aghast at my country’s support for a similar large scale slaughter and other thinly veiled military adventures resulting in mass death and suffering around the world. The population has been lulled into apathy by main stream media bread and circuses. And meanwhile the monsters rule for money and power. Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Feb 15 2024 19:28 utc | 40 The leader of the Houtis, Sayyed Abdul-Malik Al Houthi, in his addressed today, among other, said: Posted by: JB | Feb 15 2024 19:29 utc | 41 I’m actually surprised American Conservative echoed Prince’s BS. Maybe it was just an opinion piece by an outlying contributor? I don’t know; haven’t read it yet. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 15 2024 19:45 utc | 42 Bartholomew Cubbins Posted by: Minaa | Feb 15 2024 19:45 utc | 43 I did just click on and skim the laughable piece at The American Conservative. It’s rubbish literally and figuratively. What the moron author argues is that the “civilized” West needs to step into places like Haiti and Africa (and presumably Latin America and parts of Asia) where all the “competent people” have been “driven out.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 15 2024 19:51 utc | 44 The U.S. and several Arab states reportedly aim to present a long-term plan for Israeli-Palestinian peace, including a timeframe for the establishment of a Palestinian state. Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 15 2024 20:05 utc | 45 Let me guess . . . “represent the will of the people who elected them” is not a valid response? Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 15 2024 20:20 utc | 46 The fact is Putin and Xi are basically Kings. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 20:24 utc | 47 Has Ansar Allah been defeated? There are no more reports in the country where I live. They have disappeared from the news for a few days now. Posted by: John Heartfield | Feb 15 2024 20:25 utc | 48 Posted by: jayc | Feb 15 2024 18:52 utc | 37 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 20:32 utc | 49 Let’s recap.
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Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 15 2024 20:37 utc | 50 Has Ansar Allah been defeated? There are no more reports in the country where I live. They have disappeared from the news for a few days now. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 20:37 utc | 51 That will happen as will punishment of the murdering robber barons, not just their minions being offered as scapegoats. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 20:41 utc | 52 malenkov | Feb 15 2024 16:45 utc | 19 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 15 2024 20:46 utc | 53 An excellent essay by As’Ad Abukhalil (Professor at California State University, Stanislaus), in Consortium News, one of a few, with his fingers on the Arabs in general and the Arab leaders and ME in particular: Posted by: Menz | Feb 15 2024 20:54 utc | 54 Meant to say.. with his fingers on the pulse of Arabs in general… Posted by: Menz | Feb 15 2024 20:55 utc | 55 DunGroanin, Honzo Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 15 2024 20:55 utc | 56 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 20:41 utc | 53 Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 15 2024 21:14 utc | 57 As a nuetral reporter, i notice that according to the BBC since 2nd Oct their have been a surge in anti semetic attacks in Britain into the thousands, alot are violent. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 21:27 utc | 58 Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 21:27 utc | 59 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 15 2024 21:34 utc | 59 Peter Au1 @ 60 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 21:48 utc | 60 The U.S. and several Arab states reportedly aim to present a long-term plan for Israeli-Palestinian peace, including a timeframe for the establishment of a Palestinian state.
When the handshakes with their new, “moderate leadership” concludes, they’ll present this state as a gift to the Palestinians for which they should be grateful. Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 15 2024 21:56 utc | 62 Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 15 2024 21:14 utc | 58 Posted by: Honzo | Feb 15 2024 22:00 utc | 63 Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 21:48 utc | 61 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2024 22:01 utc | 64 Cynic @ 65 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 22:14 utc | 65 Has Ansar Allah been defeated? There are no more reports in the country where I live. They have disappeared from the news for a few days now. Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 15 2024 22:23 utc | 66 I fear that even if IDF stopped now…not enough food aid can get through in time to avoid famine…considering before Oct 700lorries a day were needed….nor can there be enough clean water supplies…nor enough emergency hospitals nor medicines…nor can a fully functional health service can be provided to cope with even normal health needs cancer treatments diabetes dyalisis..dentistry .a person can die from a tooth absess… Posted by: Jo | Feb 15 2024 22:31 utc | 67 Jo | Feb 15 2024 22:31 utc | 68 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 15 2024 22:38 utc | 68 If typoid or cholra break out in Gaza now. As it will if this fucking tragedy is’nt stoped it will be america and englands fault. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 22:39 utc | 69 Unabhängiges Gutachten (PDF) über die echten Protokolle der Weisen von Zion. Since the collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1918, the Turkish State has sworn to avenge their enemies and recover their lost territories. Yesterday Erdogan’s stealing of Kurdish and Syrian Oil to Israel was described as a nothingburger. But thinking about it , I wonder if Palestine is one of those countries that got up Turkiye’s nose Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2024 22:53 utc | 71 Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 22:14 utc | 66 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2024 22:54 utc | 72 Can there be reparations compensation ? Not just infrastructure… but for every death….the economy …everything damaged and stolen…cars.. family possesions… finances pillaged… to restore agriculture ….etc etc to UNRWA….red crescent…..etc etc Posted by: Jo | Feb 15 2024 23:05 utc | 73 Cynic @ 73 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 23:11 utc | 74 Cynic Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 15 2024 23:13 utc | 75 My best mate was born just down the hill in bath his grand father came from the carabian on the ‘windrush’, his name was brown thats the name of the slave owner who took his family from Africa. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2024 23:26 utc | 76 The leader of the Houtis, Sayyed Abdul-Malik Al Houthi, in his addressed today, among other, said: Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2024 23:35 utc | 77 Let me guess . . . “represent the will of the people who elected them” is not a valid response? Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2024 23:41 utc | 78 malenkov | Feb 15 2024 23:41 utc | 79 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 16 2024 0:06 utc | 79 The majority poplation in Saudi Arabia is Sunni Wahhabi, the minority is Shia. In democracy there, Wahhabi wins every time. Similar I think in Bahrain. Not sure about the others. Posted by: malenkov | Feb 16 2024 0:09 utc | 80 @ Peter AU1 | Feb 16 2024 0:06 utc | 80 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 16 2024 0:14 utc | 81 Are China and Russia doing anything to help? Posted by: Afro | Feb 16 2024 0:40 utc | 82 malenkov | Feb 16 2024 0:14 utc | 82 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 16 2024 0:46 utc | 83 Earlier this week, the foundation reported that Egypt was building a security zone near Gaza that could be used to take in Palestinians ahead of a planned Israeli military invasion of the southern city of Rafah. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 16 2024 1:12 utc | 84 @ Arch Bungle | Feb 16 2024 1:12 utc | 85 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 16 2024 1:19 utc | 85 Has Ansar Allah been defeated? There are no more reports in the country where I live. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 16 2024 1:27 utc | 86 Has Ansar Allah been defeated? There are no more reports in the country where I live. They have disappeared from the news for a few days now. Posted by: Rain | Feb 16 2024 1:40 utc | 87 Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2024 22:53 utc | 72 Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 16 2024 2:12 utc | 88 From Caitlin Johnstone’s latest:
Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 16 2024 2:58 utc | 89 How do we read China’s and Russia’s new world order concept when in it comes to Gaza and the genocides happening there by Israel? Does the new world order for them mean to fairly splitting the world’s countries under the imperialistic super powers’ control, or governing the world by international law? Posted by: Man | Feb 16 2024 3:01 utc | 90 @ Man | Feb 16 2024 3:01 utc | 91 asking why the China/Russia axis is not doing more to stop the genocide in Gaza. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 16 2024 3:45 utc | 91 The leader of the Houtis, Sayyed Abdul-Malik Al Houthi, in his addressed today, among other, said: Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 16 2024 4:43 utc | 92 I’m aware of that. What’s your point? Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 16 2024 4:51 utc | 93 For those who can’t wait for Al Houthi’s next hot track, the (ostensibly) British ship LYCAVITOS just ate what the Houthi think is an “appropriate” load of hot metal: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 16 2024 4:59 utc | 94 to Peter AU1 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 16 2024 5:14 utc | 95 As can be seen, these tools for leverage are quite granular and can be used to prevent Israeli abuse of Palestinians and US cooperation with it. Posted by: Rain | Feb 16 2024 5:14 utc | 96 As for the ‘Axis of Resistance’, not even Hezbollah has bothered Israel very much so far, incremental escalation and ‘a thousand cuts’, may be fine in theory and even work eventually, but methinx the Palestinians dont have that much time. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 16 2024 5:30 utc | 97 Parisian Guy | Feb 16 2024 5:14 utc | 96 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 16 2024 6:03 utc | 98 Rain 97 Posted by: Giyane | Feb 16 2024 6:15 utc | 99 If you’ve seen so called Muslims like Al Qaida and Deash behaving badly, they are Israeli terrorists working for USUKIS Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 16 2024 7:09 utc | 100 |
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