Does Al-Qassem have enough material stocks to keep
Actively fighting ?

Posted by: Exile | Feb 13 2024 18:04 utc | 3

They brought Israeli civilians to watch our nude torture”: IDF torture of Palestinian prisoners is turned into entertainment for Israeli viewers
Posted by: teri | Feb 13 2024 17:48 utc | 1
There briefly used to be stories from western journalists of Israeli civilians from the settlements around Gaza strip setting up cookouts and lawn chairs on hilltops overlooking the Gaza strip concentration camp cheering on the Israeli air force bombing the civilians in 2014.
This doesn’t surprise me at all. A sick society being exposed. What amazes me is
at first the Israeli civilians don’t even understand their behavior might be seen as sick outside their own depraved
society.
Meanwhile we are constantly regaled about the indecency of the Auschwitz guards relaxing at their own weekend resort near Auschwitz.
Oct 7 was long overdue.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 13 2024 18:24 utc | 5

This is in addition to container based cruise missiles.
A big message to those capable of interpreting such messages.
Posted by: Iran Updates | Feb 13 2024 18:00 utc | 2
A very important development. At the very least, it forces something of a pause in any planned escalation by the west, while they evaluate the potential impacts and counters to this. Hopefully it is the extra nudge that brings the relatively sane component of western leadership to its senses, but of course it’s not going to have any impact on the rabid-dog neocons.
I think the Tucker/Putin interview, and its massive exposure on X, is a sign that the least crazy faction of the ruling class is asserting itself, and trying to steer away from escalation and toward a cold conflict that is just warm enough to isolate and control Europe. Even Rand corp is pushing this. The neocons are probably on the way out, but they may still deliver some vicious bites before they go down.

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 13 2024 18:31 utc | 7

Posted on prev. thread and posting here again:
Posted by: Teri | Feb 13 2024 17:33 utc | 249
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More evidence that Israel is a behavioral sink.
Also I can’t help speculating that there is a logic to the idea of making civilians complicit in these vile activities. Kind of like an initiation. A blood rite.
Now, a thimbleful of blood as a chaser, to seal the deal.
You are now one of us. We are all in this together.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2024 17:46 utc | 250

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2024 18:43 utc | 9

Link to “journalism” by O’Neill
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/02/13/the-commodification-of-palestinian-pain/

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 13 2024 18:50 utc | 11

Was Sayyid Nasrallah having a big speech today? Lebanon’s Al Mansar’s feed is all filled with his statements. Hmm, I wonder what I missed… O_o I hope there is a transcript available somewhere on there. Reading it in pieces is useful but also slower.

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 13 2024 19:08 utc | 13

South Africa requested the ICJ for additional measures because of the ongoing assaults in Rafah
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240212-wri-01-00-en.pdf

Posted by: Udkanten | Feb 13 2024 19:15 utc | 15

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/gracecoloredglasses/2024/01/if-you-love-babies-this-is-a-must-read/
Speak every name out loud as you scroll to the must-see end of the list.
No, don’t. You’ll want to commit murder – or suicide – if you have a functioning heart and moral compass. Not to mention it would take hours. HOURS. Let that sink in.
War primarily on Mothers and pregnant women and babies and toddlers. Unconscionable. “israel” is sick and criminal beyond redemption and needs to be ended. Brutally is my preference.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 19:25 utc | 17

South Africa requested the ICJ for additional measures because of the ongoing assaults in Rafah
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240212-wri-01-00-en.pdf
Posted by: Udkanten | Feb 13 2024 19:15 utc | 15
Thank you Udkanten – and South Africa!!

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 19:31 utc | 19

“Israeli regulator considers penalising TV channel over remarks against Netanyahu
Israel’s Second Authority for Radio and Television, which regulates commercial broadcasts in the country, has opened an inquiry into Channel 13, after a commentator slammed Netanyahu on the network for rejecting the Hamas deal to free the captives and secure an end to the fighting in Gaza, Haaretz reports. “I’ve been saying for a month that Netanyahu has no real incentive to free the hostages,” panelist Gil Tamari said on Monday, according to the Israeli newspaper. “He wants them dead, as holy martyrs, for his own reasons.”
The inquiry “could result in a financial penalty – on the grounds that Tamari’s statement potentially harmed public sentiment,” Haaretz reported.”
AJE blog
This is a ‘democratic’ country where part of the higher education budget is paid by European taxpayers (and most of the rest by US taxpayers).

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 13 2024 19:41 utc | 21

“…this voyeurism may have outdone horrors of the past; there’s no pleas of ignorance now.”
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 13 2024 19:15 utc | 16
I’d be remiss not to also thank teri (my favorite new poster) (and jane and titmouse followups) for that revelation of “israeli” “civilians” invited to watch and record torture of kidnapped Palestinians.
Allowing jews to obtain stratospheric overfortune-overpower was/is the very definition of human stupidity and the zenith of human self-harm.
We are many, they are few, anybody?

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 19:59 utc | 23

Without going into details the container tracking systems used by industry and monitored by government are very difficult to beat.
Posted by: CSO | Feb 13 2024 19:47 utc | 22
Technological security is easy to beat because it creates a false sense of security because technological security is a false security.
Until containers are loaded, inspected and sealed by literal robots, their technological security will have massive, human, holes.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 13 2024 20:22 utc | 25

Regarding the missile-in-a-box attack vector. This scenario has been risk-analyzed for over 20 years. Without going into details the container tracking systems used by industry and monitored by government are very difficult to beat.
Iran demonstrating this “new” capability is just propaganda. It is not viable, if it was, it probably would be seen by now.
Posted by: CSO | Feb 13 2024 19:47 utc | 22
Look up the stats on inspections and tracking of containers. They aren’t that rosy. Sneaking one aboard an innocent freighter is not an option, certainly- among other things, it would be difficult to assure that the container is in a position where it can be used. However, loading and shipping such a container in Iran or a friendly port on a vessel crewed for the purpose is doable. The main issue here is that the ships themselves are all tracked, very easily, and in a conflict, they can be examined or destroyed, and positioning such a ship to strike someplace in the US involves going to a destination port very close to it. That kind of thing gets noticed. The capability is real but very limited.

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 13 2024 20:36 utc | 27

Based on personal experience, I suspect bad things to happen in general. But what is happening in Gaza is so far off my scale I don’t know how to express it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2024 20:51 utc | 29

CSO @ 22
As with all IT systems you have them where you have them.
Illicit goods, weapons , drugs, even human beings are still shipped around the globe in containers every day. Take any conta8ner ship, leave port, drop another box via military helicopter.
No one would know.

Posted by: SOS | Feb 13 2024 21:00 utc | 31

Allowing jews to obtain stratospheric overfortune-overpower was/is the very definition of human stupidity and the zenith of human self-harm.
We are many, they are few, anybody?
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 19:59 utc | 23
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.
In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.
“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.
That is why gentiles were created”
-Chief Rabbi of Israel Ovadia Yosef, 2010

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 13 2024 21:17 utc | 33

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Feb 13 2024 18:30 utc | 6
Don’t want to get into an ongoing debate but my points were simply
a) Examining countries as self-interested actors with agency, researching their unique characteristics is more interesting (to me) than tired tropes. Jordan, Egypt, Gulf countries: all leaders evil, all conflicts religious.
b) For those of us in Axis of Genocide, I think we lost the right to preach to others and certainly to cheer on revolution faraway while our leaders (elected by us!!!) grovel to their Zionist masters.
The weaponization of the financial system to implement targeted sanctions is a 21st century thing. Now that Syria is back in the Arab League, there’s a bill going through the US Congress to sanction any Arab country that dares invest in Syria: Kevork Almassian talks about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWoTyE69VC4
In the 60s and 70s the “old left” and anti-war movements were more powerful in the West. There was sympathy for Palestine. There was support from the Non Aligned Movement, countries like India. Of course that would change in the 1990s.
In the 1960s, Bahrain, UAE and Qatar were not even independent. Oman and Kuwait had just become independent. Nobody in the West could even name any Gulf country other than Saudi. When King Faisal did the oil embargo, OPEC controlled more than double the share of oil production than now.
PLO didn’t get their “terrorist” label till the late 1980s, which is partly why they were forced into Oslo.
If everyone whines about Gulf countries not doing more, it’s because they are seen as having acquired soft power at the same time as the Israel-led “War of Terror” narrative has negatively impacted Muslim countries, framing them all as “sponsors of terrorism”.
I’ve lost track of how many terrorist groups Saudi is alleged to have sponsored. If I told lies about Saudi sponsoring new Wahabi groups in Argentina, Brazil, Japan and South Korea all at the same time!! … I bet people would believe me.
If we go with the premise that war is a last resort the top three things that contribute to controlling the Gulf states and Egypt and Jordan imho are
a) Weaponization of financial system: threat of sanctions for the rich ones, financial “aid” from the printing press for the poor ones
b) Militarily vulnerable against US, UK, Israel especially with threat of nuclear. If Israel were not backed by US and UK and did not have nuclear, I’m pretty sure Egypt and Hezbollah could squash the tik tok army in a week (based on what we’ve seen from their Gaza performance).
c) Terror narrative used to shape Western public opinion against all these countries used to justify attacks on them (like with Afghanista).
@Grunzt had recommended a video by Ahmed Paul Keeler. Although that video was unavailable, I found another one on Thinking Muslim channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2tKwj4GNYI
He articulates what to me is the core of the problem: the racist and colonial mindset of Zionist and 5Eyes and EU leaders. Arabs can’t fix this mindset except with wars that nobody wants.

Posted by: pq | Feb 13 2024 21:31 utc | 35

Another worthy billboard project (hope everyone saw Tom’s link to the one for freeing Julian Assange yesterday) – this one from the amazing, wonderful Alison Weir – to help usAmericans escape from the pro-israel programming being beamed at them 24/7/365 for decades:
https://ifamericansknew.org/about_us/donate-Gaza-outreach.html
“We are reaching out to Americans through a combination of traditional roadside billboards, both digital and mobile billboards, ads on social media sites such as Instagram and Twitter (X), etc.
With this project, we aim to wake Americans up to how Israel is using the $10.7 million per day of Americans’ tax money that our politicians give them.
US media coverage on this issue is extremely faulty, causing many people to draw inaccurate conclusions…
…We need to get the word out now! Please donate whatever you can.”
I give copies of her book “Against Our Better Judgment” to newbies because it’s such an easy to read and powerful wake-up call imo. And tho I can only give a few dollars to this effort right now, well every dollar does count.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 21:41 utc | 37

🇺🇲🏴‍☠️🇮🇱 Mike Pompeo dances with IDF soldiers.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/100104

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2024 22:02 utc | 39

https://imemc.org/article/israeli-missiles-kill-100-palestinians-in-rafah-day-129/
My God. All these videos. Imagine reaching for someone’s hand to get them out of the rubble and when you pull you are holding a bit of arm, detached. And imagine carrying the remains of your child in a small
bloody
plastic
bag.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 13 2024 22:18 utc | 41

pq @ 35
“In the 60s and 70s the “old left” and anti-war movements were more powerful in the West. There was sympathy for Palestine. There was support from the Non Aligned Movement, countries like India. Of course that would change in the 1990s. ”
=========================
I remember in the ’70s when Vanessa Redgrave was an outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights or at least for Palestinians. I can’t recall her exact terms, but she stood up for them in public.
I am embarrassed to say that I just went along with the view that she was a wonderful actress but some kind of extremist kook, politically. My only excuse: I guess I was a typical teen, and how/why should I know different. (I did cause discomfort when I asked an older Jewish student who gave an enthusiastic presentation in our school library on her summer spent on a kibbutz: “What is the Gaza Strip?” Embarrassed expressions all around . . . I must have heard something on the news about the Gaza Strip. The response what something vague like “It’s an unsolved problem . . .”)
My sincerest apologies to you, Vanessa Redgrave.
You were right, and way ahead of the herd.
I have found this:
https://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/02/politics-at-the-oscars/000826-011715-fullscreen.html
“April 3, 1978 (50th) – Vanessa Redgrave “Zionist hoodlums” speech; Paddy Chayefsky’s response”
The JDL did go after her with a bomb at the theater where her documentary film, The Palestinian, was to be shown:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Palestinian
Here is a description of the film, made in 1977:
“A touching and informative documentary serving as a harbinger to the Palestinian Intifadah.
This documentary is a poignant and thought provoking presentation of the tragedy of the Palestinians, a people who who have been oppressed and subjugated in the name of “justice” for another people, the Jews of the Diaspora(exile). It is masterfully narrated by one of the finest stage and screen actresses of our time, Vanessa Redgrave. Her exuberant theatrical voice is so convincing of the need for our understanding to the plight of a proud and noble people who have been denied their right to self-determination by a military occupation backed by special interest forces in the West.(p)
I hope this is not OT.
I now want to view The Palestinian.
Here it is on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0GiYfpnps
“The Palestinian Al Falastini 1977”

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2024 22:30 utc | 43

I don’t see b addressing the issue of Oct 7th being a false-flag.
Neither denying nor confirming nor laying out the two sides to this issue.
(He does, though, allow commenters to post evidence.)
Caitlin Johnstone is the same.
Even The Gray Zone doesn’t touch the issue.
I do recall someone, the ADL?, the NYT? or the Washington Post
accused them of calling Oct 7th a false-flag
and The Gray Zone saying in writing that that was a false accusation.
——-
The NYT revealed that the Zionist leadership, including Mossad and the IDF, had the Hamas Oct 7th plans months in advance. They knew.
This is confirmed in Izraeli media as well.
The IDF border watchers reported unusual activity. They witnessed Hamas training for Oct 7th. This activity was reported for weeks in advance. And Mossad had spooks crawling all over Gaza. They knew.
They knew.
So what did the IDF do?
In the months before Oct 7th they limited the sharing of intelligence gathered by real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios.
They withdrew the majority of their forces at the Gaza border just prior to Oct 7th.
They inexplicably delayed their response to the Hamas jail break **for hours**.
They **multiplied** the number of their own casualties by implementing the Hannibal Doctrine.
They used their own citizens like sheep to the slaughter in order to create blood lust and enable the slaughter of Palestinian women and children. The real target of Netanyahu is not Hamas it is the Palestinian people and their land and their offshore gas fields.
Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft.
—
Headline: *Reports: Senior IDF officer dismissed pre-Oct. 7 intel on Hamas invasion as ‘fantasy’*
https://www.timesofisrael.com/reports-senior-idf-officer-dismissed-pre-oct-7-intel-on-hamas-invasion-as-fantasy/
   ”Two lower level officers in IDF’s elite intelligence Unit 8200 outlined a mass invasion one month before onslaught; top officers also waved off manual showing    plans for onslaught”
‘Lower level officers’ means that the two officers were not ‘high’ enough in the chain to be permitted to be insiders into the upcoming Izraeli false-flag.
—
Headline: *Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn’t it owned up to its failure?*
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
   ”All relevant commanders in the elite IDF signal intelligence unit were asleep on the wheel, led by Brig. Gen. Y., who heads the unit. It appears that it       failed to share the relevant intelligence, even though it claims it passed on everything to the IDF Intelligence Directorate’s Research Division analysts.
   …
   ”The responsibility of Unit 8200 does not end here. In the months leading up to the attack, real-time monitoring of the tactical communication
   of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted. Had they been monitored, at the very least Israeli intelligence would have had time to deploy forces
   and mitigate the scale of the invasion.
   The decision to cease real-time monitoring was made with approval from all levels,…”
The claim that the IDF would stop “real-time monitoring of the tactical communication of Hamas operatives on their radios was halted” is a most difficult claim to swallow. Remember that it isn’t just what words are being communicated on the radios, such as the planned date of an attack, there is also location and also association. Who is associating with whom. Where do they congregate? Where does the signal strength begin to diminish as the radio signal goes into a tunnel? Where does a particular radio signal reemerge?
What is really being said when they claim Unit 8200 halted monitoring is that they made access to the monitoring intelligence more restrictive. A “needs to know basis”. They did not want anyone sounding the alarm about what Hamas was preparing. They did not need a plethora of “boat rockers” such as the “lower level officers” mentioned above. Also, they needed deniability so that they could brush off discovery of their false flag treachery.
They had Hamas’ detailed plans for Oct 7th and pretended to dismiss it.
The plans even detailed how Hamas would seek to lull Izrael into complacency – in detail.
They knew.
Again,
They withdrew the majority of their forces at the Gaza border just prior to Oct 7th.
They inexplicably delayed their response to the Hamas jail break **for hours**.
They **multiplied** the number of their own casualties by implementing the Hannibal Doctrine.
They used their own citizens like sheep to the slaughter in order to create blood lust and enable the slaughter of Palestinian women and children. The real target of Netanyahu is not Hamas it is the Palestinian people and their land and their offshore gas fields.
Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft.

Posted by: librul | Feb 13 2024 23:00 utc | 45

Posted by: pq | Feb 13 2024 21:31 utc | 35
The weaponization of the financial system to implement targeted sanctions is a 21st century thing.
Perhaps if we adopt a very narrow reading of ‘financial system,’ but Roosevelt used sanctions against Japan to provoke the attack on Pearl Harbor. What Roosevelt lacked was the amount of control of international finance to force other countries to uphold his sanctions- but as it turns out, our current crop of financial warriors don’t either.

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 13 2024 23:33 utc | 47

Memorandum of Edwin Montagu on the Anti-Semitism of the Present (British) Government
Memorandum of Edwin Montagu on the Anti-Semitism of the Present (British) Government – Submitted to the British Cabinet, August, 1917
I have chosen the above title for this memorandum, not in any hostile sense, not by any means as quarrelling with an anti-Semitic view which may be held by my colleagues, not with a desire to deny that anti-Semitism can be held by rational men, not even with a view to suggesting that the Government is deliberately anti-Semitic; but I wish to place on record my view that the policy of His Majesty’s Government is anti-Semitic and in result will prove a rallying ground for Anti-Semites in every country in the world.
This view is prompted by the receipt yesterday of a correspondence between Lord Rothschild and Mr. Balfour.
Lord Rothschild’s letter is dated the 18th July and Mr. Balfour’s answer is to be dated August 1917. I fear that my protest comes too late, and it may well be that the Government were practically committed when Lord Rothschild wrote and before I became a member of the Government, for there has obviously been some correspondence or conversation before this letter. But I do feel that as the one Jewish Minister in the Government I may be allowed by my colleagues an opportunity of expressing views which may be peculiar to myself, but which I hold very strongly and which I must ask permission to express when opportunity affords.
I believe most firmly that this war has been a death-blow to Internationalism, and that it has proved an opportunity for a renewal of the slackening sense of Nationality, for it is has not only been tacitly agreed by most statesmen in most countries that the redistribution of territory resulting from the war should be more or less on national grounds, but we have learned to realise that our country stands for principles, for aims, for civilisation which no other country stands for in the same degree, and that in the future, whatever may have been the case in the past, we must live and fight in peace and in war for those aims and aspirations, and so equip and regulate our lives and industries as to be ready whenever and if ever we are challenged. To take one instance, the science of Political Economy, which in its purity knows no Nationalism, will hereafter be tempered and viewed in the light of this national need of defence and security.The war has indeed justified patriotism as the prime motive of political thought.
It is in this atmosphere that the Government proposes to endorse the formation of a new nation with a new home in Palestine. This nation will presumably be formed of Jewish Russians, Jewish Englishmen, Jewish Roumanians, Jewish Bulgarians, and Jewish citizens of all nations – survivors or relations of those who have fought or laid down their lives for the different countries which I have mentioned, at a time when the three years that they have lived through have united their outlook and thought more closely than ever with the countries of which they are citizens.
Zionism has always seemed to me to be a mischievous political creed, untenable by any patriotic citizen of the United Kingdom. If a Jewish Englishman sets his eyes on the Mount of Olives and longs for the day when he will shake British soil from his shoes and go back to agricultural pursuits in Palestine, he has always seemed to me to have acknowledged aims inconsistent with British citizenship and to have admitted that he is unfit for a share in public life in Great Britain, or to be treated as an Englishman. I have always understood that those who indulged in this creed were largely animated by the restrictions upon and refusal of liberty to Jews in Russia. But at the very time when these Jews have been acknowledged as Jewish Russians and given all liberties, it seems to be inconceivable that Zionism should be officially recognised by the British Government, and that Mr. Balfour should be authorized to say that Palestine was to be reconstituted as the “national home of the Jewish people”. I do not know what this involves, but I assume that it means that Mahommedans and Christians are to make way for the Jews and that the Jews should be put in all positions of preference and should be peculiarly associated with Palestine in the same way that England is with the English or France with the French, that Turks and other Mahommedans in Palestine will be regarded as foreigners, just in the same way as Jews will hereafter be treated as foreigners in every country but Palestine. Perhaps also citizenship must be granted only as a result of a religious test.
I lay down with emphasis four principles:
I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries – through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race. The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they certainly do not belong to the same nation.
When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home, every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish citizens, and you will find a population in Palestine driving out its present inhabitants, taking all the best in the country, drawn from all quarters of the globe, speaking every language on the face of the earth, and incapable of communicating with one another except by means of an interpreter. I have always understood that this was the consequence of the building of the Tower of Babel, if ever it was built, and I certainly do not dissent from the view, commonly held, as I have always understood, by the Jews before Zionism was invented, that to bring the Jews back to form a nation in the country from which they were dispersed would require Divine leadership. I have never heard it suggested, even by their most fervent admirers, that either Mr. Balfour or Lord Rothschild would prove to be the Messiah.I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims that they have had before them, that the part that they have played in our public life and our public institutions, have entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish Britons. I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organisation as illegal and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British Government sufficient tolerance to refuse a conclusion which makes aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of all their Jewish fellow-citizens.
I deny that Palestine is to-day associated with the Jews or properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. The Ten Commandments were delivered to the Jews on Sinai. It is quite true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so it does in modern Mahommendan history, and, after the time of the Jews, surely it plays a larger part than any other country in Christian history. The Temple may have been in Palestine, but so was the Sermon on the Mount and the Crucifixion. I would not deny to Jews in Palestine equal rights to colonisation with those who profess other religions, but a religious test of citizenship seems to me to be the only admitted by those who take a bigoted and narrow view of one particular epoch of the history of Palestine, and claim for the Jews a position to which they are not entitled.If my memory serves me right, there are three times as many Jews in the world as could possible get into Palestine if you drove out all the population that remains there now. So that only one-third will get back at the most, and what will happen to the remainder?
I can easily understand the editors of the Morning Post and of the New Witness being Zionists, and I am not in the least surprised that the non-Jews of England may welcome this policy. I have always recognised the unpopularity, much greater than some people think, of my community. We have obtained a far greater share of this country’s goods and opportunities than we are numerically entitled to. We reach on the whole maturity earlier, and therefore with people of our own age we compete unfairly. Many of us have been exclusive in our friendships and intolerant in our attitude, and I can easily understand that many a non-Jew in England wants to get rid of us. But just as there is no community of thought and mode of life among Christian Englishmen, so there is not among Jewish Englishmen. More and more we are educated in public schools and at the Universities, and take our part in the politics, in the Army, in the Civil Service, of our country. And I am glad to think that the prejudices against inter-marriage are breaking down. But when the Jew has a national home, surely it follows that the impetus to deprive us of the rights of British citizenship must be enormously increased. Palestine will become the world’s Ghetto. Why should the Russian give the Jew equal rights? His national home is Palestine. Why does Lord Rothschild attach so much importance to the difference between British and foreign Jews? All Jews will be foreign Jews, inhabitants of the great country of Palestine.I do not know how the fortunate third will be chosen, but the Jew will have the choice, whatever country he belongs to, whatever country he loves, whatever country he regards himself as an integral part of, between going to live with people who are foreigners to him, but to whom his Christian fellow-countrymen have told him he shall belong, and of remaining as an unwelcome guest in the country that he thought he belonged to.
I am not surprised that the Government should take this step after the formation of a Jewish Regiment, and I am waiting to learn that my brother, who has been wounded in the Naval Division, or my nephew, who is in the Grenadier Guards, will be forced by public opinion or by Army regulations to become an officer in a regiment which will mainly be composed of people who will not understand the only language which he speaks – English. I can well understand that when it was decided, and quite rightly, to force foreign Jews in this country to serve in the Army, it was difficult to put them in British regiments because of the language difficulty, but that was because they were foreigners, and not because they were Jews, and a Foreign Legion would seem to me to have been the right thing to establish. A Jewish Legion makes the position of Jews in other regiments more difficult and forces a nationality upon people who have nothing in common.
I feel that the Government are asked to be the instrument for carrying out the wishes of a Zionist organisation largely run, as my information goes, at any rate in the past, by men of enemy descent or birth, and by this means have dealt a severe blow to the liberties, position and opportunities of service of their Jewish fellow-countrymen.
I would say to Lord Rothschild that the Government will be prepared to do everything in their power to obtain for Jews in Palestine complete liberty of settlement and life on an equality with the inhabitants of that country who profess other religious beliefs. I would ask that the Government should go no further.
E.S.M.
23 August 1917
Source: Great Britain, Public Record Office, Cab. 24/24, Aug. 23, 1917. Lord Edwin Samuel Montagu (1879-1924), Anglo-Jewish statesman, was British Minister of Munitions, 1916, and Secretary of State for India, 1917-22.

Posted by: todd | Feb 13 2024 23:52 utc | 49

https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2024/02/13/egypt-reveals-alleged-israeli-plan-to-evacuate-rafah-civilians/15/
the plan to push Pals into the ocean in print ^
“While Gaza is on the brink of famine, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces criticism from his far-right allies for allowing any aid at all, the WSJ reported further.
“The minimal aid we committed to is an important condition for the continuation of the war because if there is a large humanitarian collapse, we can’t continue the war,” he told reporters last week.”
What the fuck does he mean IF there is a large humanitarian collapse?!?!! But nothing is stopping this evil, this brutal premeditated genocide

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 14 2024 0:10 utc | 51

“Three More Items on West Asia” is actually five, although only two are published, the remainder being linked. All three Crooke items since Monday; Lavrov’s appearance at Valdai Club’s West Asia special meeting today in Moscow; and an excellent item from The Cradle on Russia’s shifting West Asia policy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 14 2024 0:36 utc | 53

I think that it is time to destroy all zionists/israelis completely. I don’t care what you morons think. They have shown themselves to be monsters I think worse than the nazis. The only thing that will bring peace to the middle east is the complete destruction of a country of monsters.

Posted by: joe_mars | Feb 14 2024 1:16 utc | 55

librul@45….it’s not addressed because it didn’t start on the 7th Oct, it started on the 2nd, the seventh was the response.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 14 2024 1:40 utc | 57

State Department says US reviewing reports of civilian harm by Israel
“That review is taking place under guidelines aimed at ensuring countries receiving American weapons do not violate international humanitarian law. Miller said the State Department’s Civilian Harm Incident Response Guidance is being used to assess incidents in the current war.”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/state-department-says-us-reviewing-reports-civilian-harm-israel?nid=341171&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=502111
Not that anything of substance should be expected here, but the Americans are somewhat tied down by their own rules and regulations, and the contradictions created by their own policies. The Department of Defense, referring directly to the Civilian Harm Incident Response Guidance, predicted the current environment only six weeks ahead of the Gaza events:
“Protecting civilians from harm in connection with military operations is not only a moral imperative, it is also critical to achieving long-term success on the battlefield. Hard-earned tactical and operational successes may ultimately end in strategic failure if care is not taken to protect the civilian environment as much as the situation allows — including the civilian population and the personnel, organizations, resources, infrastructure, essential services, and systems on which civilian life depends.”
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3140007/civilian-harm-mitigation-and-response-action-plan-fact-sheet/utm_source/civilian-harm-mitigation-and-response-action-plan-fact-sheet/

Posted by: jayc | Feb 14 2024 1:57 utc | 59

Todd @ 49
“I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims that they have had before them, that the part that they have played in our public life and our public institutions, have entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish Britons.”[[quotation]]
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Yay!!
I have been saying this forever. We need to refer to Jewish citizens the same way we refer to other “hyphenated” citizens such as Irish Americans, German Americans, etc. Namely, as Jewish Americans, Jewish French, etc.
“American/English/French Jews” is a pernicious and counterproductive framing, because it clearly implies that the noun, Jew, is more important, more defining, than the national adjective.
I am descended from a Jewish German.
A German citizen of the Second Reich who happened to be of the Jewish faith.
Not a German Jew—a member of the Jewish faith who happened to reside in Germany.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2024 2:12 utc | 61

@ librul | Feb 13 2024 23:00 utc | 45
you bring up the ‘unit 8200’ – interesting connection is in this link below, how many people from that unit work now in the very centers of Facebook, Microsoft, Google – it is indeed astonishing and a little scary.
The thought that those people would become ‘homeless’ – if the “Israel project” should come to an end, as it will by forces of history, they will still be a coherent group of very smart, very able people, very domineering (De Gaulle) – and this is also scary.
https://www.defenddemocracy.press/the-former-israeli-spies-working-in-top-jobs-at-google-facebook-and-microsoft/

Posted by: fanto | Feb 14 2024 2:55 utc | 63

if the “Israel project” should come to an end, as it will by forces of history, they will still be a coherent group of very smart, very able people, very domineering (De Gaulle) – and this is also scary.
Posted by: fanto | Feb 14 2024 2:55 utc | 63
They will be subsumed into other intelligence and ‘dirty tricks’ organisations run by The Empire (CIA, MIx etc …) and continue to be a menace to humanity.
This is why I advocate a massive “OSINT” operation to name and shame these individuals and prosecute them via the ICJ, ICC and any other possible court for the next century if necessary.
Dox the bloody lot of them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 14 2024 3:14 utc | 65

Something marginally useful picked out of the junkyard Counterpunch has become:

Israel stands accused of using starvation as a weapon of war in Gaza. “It is not possible to create a famine by accident,” says Alex de Waal, executive director of the World Peace Foundation at Tufts University and author of Mass Starvation: The History and Future of Famine. After months of ignored international calls to open up aid channels, de Waal says famine in Gaza is now “inevitable.”
In the words of the Genocide Convention of 1948, acts of genocide against “a national, ethnical, racial or religious group” include “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” As principal enabler and arms supplier to Israel, the Biden administration has made American taxpayers complicit in Israel’s starvation policy and other acts of genocide. Yet even now the U.S. President seeks to supply Israel with more billion’s worth of lethal arms.
So, what are the options for Gazans trying to survive bombs, starvation, illness, and injury in the midst of Israel’s new targeting of Rafah? Three obvious choices are:
(1) Return to Gaza City or Khan Yunis;
(2) Accept resettlement offers from other countries; or
(3) Attempt mass escape into Egypt.
The first option is untenable because almost everything for life in the north has been destroyed. The Gazans would not likely accept resettlement in another country except the U.S. (which is not holding out a welcome mat. That leaves only one realistic possibility: a mass escape into Egypt. While there are major physical barriers at the border, they might not withstand the combined force of a million plus people. Even if Israel should decide to accept a Hamas ceasefire proposal that would exchange hostages for the release of Palestinian prisoners in the West Bank, those steps could not save Gazans in Rafah; nor could they deter the upcoming famine.

See that? Only one option left: Escape into Egypt.
We’re about to see a joint genocide where both Arabs and Jewish Settler Colonials engage in eradication of the population of Gaza.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 14 2024 3:30 utc | 67

Despite all the low-brow wailing in the West about what a violent religion Islam is, I’m constantly amazed at how passively the Arab-Muslim world have accepted their colonization and attempted eradication.
If this nonsense had been tried in South or East Asia, if it had been tried in Central Asia, the Anglo-American would have had unending hell and defeat. Witness Vietnam, North Korea, China.

Sometimes I find myself wondering: “What might have been if Islam was truly a violent religion?”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 14 2024 3:41 utc | 69

Arch Bungle | Feb 14 2024 3:30 utc @ 67.
It ain’t right, but unfortunately I agree with you.
Escape and Retreat are sound and honorable military tactics. Standing firm in the face of certain death is foolish.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Feb 14 2024 4:57 utc | 71

In other news, the US border czar Mayorkas has been impeached. What does that mean? It means: The aid to Ukraine and Israel is now “jeopardized” because there are enough Republicans who are pissed at the situation on the southern border to make a difference and block the “aid”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 14 2024 5:10 utc | 73

I am descended from a Jewish German.
A German citizen of the Second Reich who happened to be of the Jewish faith.
Not a German Jew—a member of the Jewish faith who happened to reside in Germany.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2024 2:12 utc | 61
You just had to say that didn’t you. Weren’t you the one who gave us the Buber treatment?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 14 2024 5:13 utc | 75

Oh dear … those MoA barflies, readers and lurkers who frequent dating websites, you are now warned by Stephen Pollard on X formerly Twitter:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1757115800555512183

I rarely do personal on here but I’ve noticed a phenomenon which mixes personal and political.
I’m divorced, and on a couple of dating sites (feels very odd but it’s the way it’s done nowadays). I noticed a few weeks after October 7 that some profiles started to show the 🇵🇸 flag . I didn’t think much of it.
But something has happened more recently. It’s not – yet – the majority but many profiles I see now say ‘No Zionists’. It is now, it seems, a normal thing for people to declare publicly that they refuse to consider dating a Jew (which is of course what ‘No Zionists’ means ).
This is where we now are.
These are dark times.

So if you say “No Zionists” or “Zionists not welcome”, you are guilty of anti-Semitism and you could be banned from the website.
So-called Reality TV shows in Australia like “Farmer Wants A Wife” and “Married At First Sight” might be about to become more interesting … suppose the farmer or one member of a hapless couple is pro-Palestinian and the other party is a Zionist? … sparks may fly and I don’t mean sparks of the romantic kind.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 14 2024 5:35 utc | 77

Arch,
Carpet bombing civilians only results in stiffened resistance. Blind Rage isn’t a winning military strategy.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 14 2024 5:52 utc | 79

I called my congressman at his DC office. Surprisingly a live person answered. I told him to vote no on the Israel aid package. Israel must not get one more penny of taxpayer dollars being used to commit genocide. He took my name and thanked me. Let’s swamp them with calls!!
Your representatives’ contact info can be found here
https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Posted by: Willow | Feb 14 2024 6:13 utc | 81

Another very good expose on Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood by Theirry Meyssan: https://www.voltairenet.org/article220436.html
IMO Hamas is working with Israel to genocide the Palastenians.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 14 2024 6:25 utc | 83

Turk 152 83
Millions of Kurdish Muslims have left Islam because of the extreme violence of their CIAMOSSAD MI6 controlled Islamists.
Hence one could conclude that this was the result they intended to achieve.
CIAMOSSAD MI6 I mean.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 14 2024 6:36 utc | 85

Millions of Kurdish Muslims have left Islam
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 14 2024 6:36 utc | 85
To become what?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 14 2024 6:53 utc | 87

IDF announces 7 new kia
https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-gaza-strip-on-february-13-2024-map-update/
That brings the total to over 231 acknowledged KIA by the IDF in the gaza invasion, and over 500 IDF KIA in the war so far.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 14 2024 7:01 utc | 89

both of these nations are mass murderers and genocidal maniacs
“We’re going to continue to support Israel…”
fyi,
https://news.antiwar.com/2024/02/13/us-gives-israel-the-green-light-to-kill-civilians-in-rafah/
US Gives Israel the Green Light to Kill Civilians in Rafah
US officials told POLITICO that there would be no consequences for Israel if it invades Rafah
The US has given Israel the green light to kill civilians in Rafah despite public comments from US officials calling for Israel to come up with a plan to protect civilians in the city, which is packed with an estimated 1.5 million Palestinians.
US officials told POLITICO that the Biden administration was not planning any consequences for Israel if it went ahead with a major assault on Rafah, which would inevitably kill a huge number of civilians. “No reprimand plans are in the works, meaning Israeli forces could enter the city and harm civilians without facing American consequences,” the report reads.
White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby made clear at a press conference on Monday that the US wasn’t thinking about cutting off Israel from military aid if it went ahead with the assault……..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 14 2024 7:37 utc | 91

John Kirby’s ancestry also displays some interesting if not overly familiar characteristics.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 14 2024 7:52 utc | 93

So if you say “No Zionists” or “Zionists not welcome”, you are guilty of anti-Semitism and you could be banned from the website.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 14 2024 5:35 utc | 77
Does this mean if you don’t put out for a Jew you might get sued for anti-sementism?
Inquiring minds would like to know …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 14 2024 7:58 utc | 95

Note; as the occupying power, the Likud gov’t of Israel is obligated to protect, feed, and house Gaza refugees in a safe place. That’s international law.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 14 2024 7:59 utc | 97

These are dark times.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 14 2024 5:35 utc | 77
And you have to be particularly dim not to see in what way.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 14 2024 8:06 utc | 99