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February 09, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-043

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Machine translation from Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:

Anti-Semitic violence at Berlin universities is increasing at an alarming rate. After a lecture hall was occupied by pro-Palestinian students last week, a Jewish student at the FU was beaten to the point of hospitalization by a pro-Palestinian student in Berlin-Mitte.

When students from the University of the Arts (UdK) chanted pro-Palestinian propaganda shouts in Berlin in November with black corona masks and red-colored, blood-smeared hands, they gave their so-called “performance” the telling headline “It’s not complicated”. They could hardly have expressed their own rejection of complexity more clearly. They may have never developed the desire to work through complexity; it was sacrificed for the quick effect of a “promotion” that would appeal to the public. The president of the UdK, who declared solidarity with Israel, was shouted down.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

"The president of the UdK, who declared solidarity with Israel, was shouted down."

How dreadful, a nazi collaborator gets the bird.

Posted by: Squeeth | Feb 9 2024 12:39 utc | 2

Useful idiots. How many of them came with the migrant wave at a time both the EU and Isr were supporting the djihadists in Syria to fight the dangerously socialist Bashar?
It must have hurted them to understand that they have been fooled but lucky while their relatives are freezing in camps in northern, eastern and southern Syria.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 9 2024 12:59 utc | 3

The slur of "antisemitism" has been used to enable genocide, by attempting to intimidate and silence.

In the future when someone uses that slur the first question for them should be, "did you support genocide?"

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2024 13:05 utc | 4

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 9 2024 12:59 utc | 3

Excuse my ignorance. What is a djihadist ?

Posted by: joey | Feb 9 2024 13:17 utc | 5

Anyone who hasn't been accused of being an antisemite by a Zionist should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: David J Valachovic | Feb 9 2024 13:21 utc | 6

Anyone who hasn't been accused of being an antisemite by a Zionist should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: David J Valachovic | Feb 9 2024 13:21 utc | 6

Wondeful but also true statement!

Posted by: Animal | Feb 9 2024 13:41 utc | 7

Racket
Season
Squash
Bark
Nail

"Correct, you nailed it; truly, the onlookers did nail their attention on the dripping blood as the
hammers slammed nails into His Flesh."

They are many words in the American English language that have more than one meaning.
Examples are given above.

Germane to this thread is the Swiss Army knife of a word, "antisemitism".

It is adaptable and useful, it can be used opportunistically in so many diverse situations.
Most often it is used to intimidate and silence and used as a political instrument.

It's two main definitions and uses are:

1) Hatred, real or not, directed towards Jews

2) A suggestive command with threatening overtones: "be silent or you will be black listed and more"

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2024 13:51 utc | 8

Anyone who hasn't been accused of being an antisemite by a Zionist should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: David J Valachovic | Feb 9 2024 13:21 utc | 6

I’m hardly the first to say this, but it beats endless repetition:

Used to be that an antisemite was someone who hates Jews. Now an antisemite is someone whom Jews hate.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 9 2024 13:59 utc | 9

Used to be that an antisemite was someone who hates Jews. Now an antisemite is someone whom Jews hate.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 9 2024 13:59 utc | 9

Perfect

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2024 14:21 utc | 10

Anti-Semitic violence at Berlin universities is increasing at an alarming rate. After a lecture hall was occupied by pro-Palestinian students last week, a Jewish student at the FU was beaten to the point of hospitalization by a pro-Palestinian student in Berlin-Mitte.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

Sounds like a fake story, the kind of thing where a non-event was souped up to make the anti-semitism seem more extreme. Happens all the time, and sometimes the truth comes out, but often the story is too vague and may actually be false.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 9 2024 14:22 utc | 11

Palestinian Ambassador to Ireland impassioned speech to packed solidarity meeting in Belfast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtqsSSJEpA [20 mins]

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 9 2024 15:10 utc | 12

The Zionist regime wants to expand its genocide to Lebanon. However, they will face a strong resistance with dire consequences.

Posted by: AI | Feb 9 2024 15:18 utc | 13

The slur of "antisemitism" has been used to enable genocide
Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2024 13:05 utc | 4

I've always lived in Germany where the phobia of "anti-semitism" is ubiquious, "because of our history", as they say. They make you virtue-signal on every occasion to prove you're not an anti-semite - a repetitive exercise, in which I didn't participate because it got on my nerves. But I kept a list of all "good Jews" which I happened to know just to prove to myself that i was not infected.

Change came only after I collected the facts on 9/11 recently, from various sources, and could not help deciding that Israel had masterminded it, and had been the driving force behind it. To orchestrate a terrorist operation of that size and wipe out all the evidence pointing back to Israel, and install a myth of Muslim terrorists instead, that is still believed by everybody in today's mainstream - to be able to do this, you must be firmly connected and in control, with leverage both in the US administration and its press.
The wellknown "anti-semitic slur" that states that Jews are really the ones who rule us, is heavily sanctioned; we are expected to avoid every thought in that direction. But it is true! For an example of who calls the shots, just look at Biden who appears paralized, bowing to Netanyahu's every wish, and helping him actively in committing genocide on the Gazan population, allthough it hurts both his reputation and that of the US.

Posted by: grunzt | Feb 9 2024 15:28 utc | 14


"The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew. The Israelis make me ashamed to be a Jew." Dr. Israel Shahak, A holocaust survivor.

Posted by: David | Feb 9 2024 15:49 utc | 15

Don Firineach@12.... powerful words. The oppressed, standing shoulder to shoulder with the oppressed....thanks for the link.

....'tiss Friday, a tipple of the dew, is due.....cheers.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2024 16:35 utc | 16

Anti-Semitic violence at Berlin universities is increasing at an alarming rate. After a lecture hall was occupied by pro-Palestinian students last week, a Jewish student at the FU was beaten to the point of hospitalization by a pro-Palestinian student in Berlin-Mitte.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

Legality and morality of violence aside, how is beating up a khazar for killing semites in Palestine "anti-semitic"?

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 9 2024 17:17 utc | 17

Leonard Cohen
Puppets

German puppets burned the Jews
Jewish puppets did not choose
Puppet vultures eat the dead
Puppet corpses they are fed
Puppet winds and puppet waves
Puppet sailors in their graves
Puppet flower, puppet stem
Puppet time dismantles them
Puppet me and puppet you
Puppet German
Puppet Jew

Puppet Presidents command
Puppet troops to burn the land
Puppet fire, puppet flames
Feed on all the puppet names
Puppet lovers in their bliss
Turn away from all of this
Puppet reader shakes his head
Takes his puppet wife to bed
Puppet me and puppet you
Puppet German, puppet Jew

Puppet Presidents command
Puppet troops to burn the land
Puppet fire, puppet flames
Feed on all the puppet names
Puppet night comes down to play
The after act to puppet day

Lyrics:
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/leonardcohen/puppets.html

Song: Leonard Cohen - Puppets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed17VfiFc4M&list=PLsM7fDR-DmsMzqDkzHf4314l8eCvoosy0&index=35

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 9 2024 17:32 utc | 18

David | Feb 9 2024 15:49 utc | 15

Do you have any authentication for this quote. I wanted to use it, but I can't find a source.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Feb 9 2024 18:02 utc | 19

The most important, and very urgent, matter at this moment is the intention of the the Israeli PM to - push the Palestinians concentrated in Rafah out of Gaza, in order to "exterminate" Hamas.

That PM said a day or two ago to their sponsors (US) that the Israelies are on the verge of winning.

It was clear to those carefully following developments that he meant - we will now force the Palestinians out of Rafah, pushed there by Israeli bombardment and every imaginable crime.

There are more than one million people in Rafah.

No one should doubt that Rafah will be attacked. There is no one to stop it.

Posted by: JB | Feb 9 2024 18:09 utc | 20

The ethnic cleansing by the psychopathic, genocidal thieves continues.

Rafah is next, according to Netanyahu.

This has the potential to be the worst slaughter since the Izzie's Oct 7th false flag
and the murder and betrayal of their own Izzie people.

Posted by: librul | Feb 9 2024 18:16 utc | 21

The Cradle has a posting up with the title

Yemen pledges to force all foreign warships out of Red Sea

the link
https://thecradle.co/articles/yemen-pledges-to-force-all-foreign-warships-out-of-red-sea

I look forward to Yemen forcing warships out of the Red Sea

Go long Yemen....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 18:25 utc | 22


Michael, (9)

It was on the BBC Facebook website. I also found it on the Jewish Voices for Labor website and Medea Benjamin's website. That doesn't prove its authenticity but it does support it. It certainly reflects the beliefs that are found in his writing.

Posted by: David | Feb 9 2024 18:32 utc | 23

Do you have any authentication for this quote. I wanted to use it, but I can't find a source.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Feb 9 2024 18:02 utc | 19
see: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak


From that collection this one is also quite fitting:

"You cannot have humane Zionism, it is a contradiction in terms."

Posted by: MAKK | Feb 9 2024 18:33 utc | 24

They could hardly have expressed their own rejection of complexity more clearly. They may have never developed the desire to work through complexity; it was sacrificed for the quick effect of a “promotion” that would appeal to the public.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

Ah yes, the famous 'complexity' that is always being talked about by hasbara types...

For anyone interested in German "philo-semitism," the podcast The Dig had a good long interview recently with Emily Dische-Becker on the subject of the "wildly narcissistic anti-anti-semitism" currently being practiced in Germany. Some of her anecdotes are truly bizarre, like the fact that Germany, home to the biggest population of Palestinian refugees in Europe, took these refugees to Holocaust museums to teach them about the suffering of European Jews. When the refugees understandably identified with the victims, their hosts would explain to them No, you're supposed to be the Nazis in this comparison.

Posted by: Lukacs | Feb 9 2024 18:44 utc | 25

However, they will face a strong resistance with dire consequences.

Posted by: AI | Feb 9 2024 15:18 utc | 13

They will not merely face "strong resistance", they will face defeat.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2024 18:55 utc | 26

I never imagined writing these words in my lifetime:

'For weeks before Christmas last year, we have been witnessing the dying embers of Christendom,

Extinguished on floods of innocent Palestinian blood – a few Christians among them, but mostly Muslims,

At the hands of a brutal and deranged racist Jewish Zionist regime.

Meanwhile, the majority of our religious, political and civic leaders, in the West, are busy in their virtual and fantasy world, playing at being expert landscape architects and artists,

as they re-arrange the destruction and debris of Gaza, still dotted with corpses, into a new and even more horrific edifice.

I am reminded of the German saying, ‘Man kann sich auch zu Tode siegen’, more popularly translated as ‘You can drive yourself victoriously into your own grave.

Christendom, alas, will soon be joining Zionism in the grave they are building from the ruins and rubble of Gaza'.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Feb 9 2024 19:24 utc | 27

ONE WONDERS WHY ANYONE WOULDN'T HATE ISRAEL AND IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO REALLY DOESN'T

Netanyahu dismisses US and UN pleas for Israel not to attack Rafah

Major military operation in area where most Palestinians have fled would be ‘disaster’, Washington says

(Financial Times)

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:30 utc | 28

"In Interview With Afghan Taliban's State-Owned Pashtu-Language 'Hewad Daily,' Hamas Spokesman Husam Badran Says Taliban's Defeat Of U.S. Inspired Hamas: 'This Experience [Of Afghanistan] And Other Nations Such As Iraq And Algeria Taught Us To Choose The Path Of Jihad And Not To Be Disappointed On This Path'"

YES THIS IS THROUGH MEMRI BUT IT PUTS ITS FINGER ON WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING: THE US HAS ALREADY LOST IN AFGHANISTAN AND WILL CONTINUE LOSING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. IT SEEMS THE PENTAGON KNOWS IT JUDGING BY THE GROWING RIFT BETWEEN THE US AND ISRAEL.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:36 utc | 29

Christendom, alas, will soon be joining Zionism in the grave they are building from the ruins and rubble of Gaza'.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Feb 9 2024 19:24 utc | 27

Friend, you are more than a thousand years too late.
Christianity was stillborn on the cross of Golgotha.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2024 19:36 utc | 30

Not strictly on topic but this tee appeaed jn an earlier "Palestine" thread and theee is nothing kike beaging a dead horse. This shows how the Norman influence is still continuing to wreck the world not only theough the Irish-American presidents like Biden but also through Irish businessmen. This is a story from today's New York Times:

How Two Irish Businessmen Almost Took Nigeria for $11 Billion

A mundane contractual provision met with rampant corruption — revealing a serious vulnerability in one of the backbones of international commerce.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:44 utc | 31

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:36 utc | 29

I like to see these rifts between the US and its allies. I'm probably being foolish, but i am feeling more optimistic--Ukraine is collapsing, the Houthis are succeeding, the ICJ is not automatically finding for the US/Israel, Putin is finally allowed to make a case on worldwide tv.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 9 2024 19:46 utc | 32

For an example of who calls the shots, just look at Biden who appears paralized, bowing to Netanyahu's every wish, and helping him actively in committing genocide on the Gazan population, allthough it hurts both his reputation and that of the US.
Posted by: grunzt | Feb 9 2024 15:28 utc | 14

Brilliant. Is this the The Godfather trilogy? I do not remember how it ended,but.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Feb 9 2024 19:51 utc | 33

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Feb 9 2024 19:51 utc | 33

I think the "10% for the big guy" was not in the movie. It is the real-life Norman mafia.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:54 utc | 34

"I strongly believe that antisemitism and Jewish chauvinism can only be fought simultaneously."

Israel Shahak (1994). “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years”, p.12, Pluto Press

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Feb 9 2024 19:56 utc | 35

So here we all stand, breathless, waiting for the next massacre looming over Rafah ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 9 2024 20:02 utc | 36

re: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 19:44 utc | 31 and other posts

Are you not able to provide links with your quotes?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 9 2024 20:03 utc | 37

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 9 2024 20:03 utc | 37

It should be pretty easy to search them if you have a thing called computer. They are all the craze these days.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:13 utc | 38

Maybe I should be more specific. You also need a thing called an Internet connection and then you can use a thing called browser. Remember: Internet. It is going to be big.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:18 utc | 39

Excuse my ignorance. What is a djihadist ?
Posted by: joey | Feb 9 2024 13:17 utc | 5

Don’t want to speak for Minaa, but I think the ‘d’ is silent making this jihadist — those who wage jihad — holy war.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 9 2024 20:20 utc | 40

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 9 2024 20:20 utc | 40

Deoends on the transliteration. In French it is djihad and also in the old Dutch spelling.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:24 utc | 41

re: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:13 utc | 38 etc

Does the W stand for wanker?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 9 2024 20:40 utc | 42

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:46 utc | 43

"Maybe I should be more specific. You also need a thing called an Internet connection and then you can use a thing called browser. Remember: Internet. It is going to be big."
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 20:18 utc | 39

It is an accepted convention to provide links when posting on this site. Some small extract and related comments is the norm. Doing less reflects poorly on the member of the bar. "Do your own research" is a sure sign of laziness and a poor argument.

ALSO THE USE OF CAPS IS FROWNED UPON. CHEERS.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 9 2024 20:55 utc | 44

LISTEN TO YOURSELF MR HORSEMAN. GO AHEAD AND FROWN.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 21:08 utc | 45


Does the W stand for wanker?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 9 2024 20:40 utc | 42

BEAR THIS IN MIND:

When any man has a discharge from his member, his discharge makes him unclean. The uncleanness of his discharge is this: whether his member flows with its discharge or is stopped from discharging, he is unclean during the entire period his member flows or is stopped from discharging; this is his uncleanness.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 21:19 utc | 46

Prime Minister of Israel openly states ethnic cleansing of refugees pushed into the previously stated safe zone of Raffa.

It is impossible to achieve the goal of the war of eliminating Hamas by leaving four Hamas battalions in Rafah.

On the contrary, it is clear that intense activity in Rafah requires that civilians evacuate the areas of combat.

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1755979954448150530?t=CPQcyBr8eUopZZbdyrzh0Q&s=19

Where he expect them to go is obvious. They don't care . They don't care if they live or die and are only getting away with it from the global silence that allows it.

Vessel tracker showed Egyptian and Turkish hipping going to Ashod. These guys are supplying Israel still

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 9 2024 21:29 utc | 47

Haaretz reports that "Moody's Downgrades Israel's Credit Rating for First Time in Country's History, Outlook Lowered to 'Negative'":

Moody's decision to not only lower Israel's credit rating, but to downgrade its credit outlook, has caught officials in Jerusalem by surprise.

It caught them by surprise because maybe they thought Moody's could never be "anti-Semitic" as well...

Honestly, the longer they drag this out the more Netanyahu's "total victory" looks like total collapse.

John Helmer has also a very interesting post on the huge financial impact on Israel:

An international currency and bond trader answers by providing, first, a primer for each of the market indicators, and how to read them; and then a ready reckoner for the damage being done to Israel’s economic resources as those who operate in the money markets gauge their opportunity.

For making money, you see, the opportunity of capitalizing on Israel’s defeat may soon be more profitable than investing in its success. When the markets see this chance at profit-making, usually long before the politicians and their captive media acknowledge it, there is an inflection point in the flow of money. That does its damage, not by hitting the Israelis and Americans in their bunkers with bullets and bombs, but by moving the money the US-backed Israeli entity needs out of reach, and cutting them off, both the US and Israel, from market confidence that they can win their war, genocide or not.

Israel is gradually following the same path Ukraine does.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 9 2024 22:02 utc | 48

#30 Christianity was stillborn on the cross of Golgotha ... Agree, the real Jesus, Yes - I was talking about Christendom and the Christ of fiction ... more and more and not fooled even by him any more.

Jesus, according to Schweitzer, “lays hold of the wheel of the world to set it moving on that last revolution which is to bring all ordinary history to a close. It refuses to turn, and he throws himself on it. Then it does turn; and crushes him”

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Feb 9 2024 22:37 utc | 49

... a Jewish student at the FU was beaten to the point of hospitalization by a pro-Palestinian student in Berlin-Mitte.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

The 'victim' is a Zionist who has been aggressive towards other students, including anti-Zionist Jewish ones. He's a racist psychopath who probably went around trying to incite violence.

Posted by: Angel in Berlin | Feb 9 2024 22:50 utc | 50

Gaza is worse than the Warsaw Ghetto.

The name stealers identity thieves khazar ashkanazim of counterfit Israel is committing genocide & the US is helping them do it - Blinken and Biden sunack are war criminals.

Israel is a genocidal, criminal state. No one of any conscience can support its continued existence.

Almost 80 years after Holocaust, 245,000 Jewish survivors are still alive and receiving trauma compensation , report says

From 1945 to 2018, the German government paid approximately $86.8 billion in restitution and compensation to Holocaust victims and their heirs.

The organization that handles claims on behalf of Jews who suffered under the Nazis said Thursday that Germany agreed to pay approximately $1.2 billion (euros) to Holocaust survivors living around the world in 2023, bringing its total compensation to more than 80 billion euros.

The announcement came as Germany marked the 70th anniversary of the signing of the so-called Luxembourg Agreements, a reparations pact that made it possible for Holocaust survivors to receive a measure of justice for the Nazi persecution of Jews during World War II.


Germany Still Owes Israel $19 Billion for the Holocaust

Germany has agreed to extend another $720m (648 million euros) to provide home care and supportive services for frail and vulnerable Holocaust survivors, according to the organisation that handles claims on behalf of Jews who suffered under Nazi Germany.


Germany will underwrite a third of the cost of Israel’s sixth Dolphin-class submarine, Der Spiegel reported
According to the report, Germany will contribute 135 million euros to the deal, which will provide Israel with an impressive boost to its strategic submarine fleet, reported to be capable of firing cruise missiles with nuclear warheads.


Since 1952, the German government has paid about $90bn to individuals for suffering and losses resulting from persecution by the Nazis.

The Claims Conference last year distributed $653m in grants to hundreds of social service agencies worldwide.

histories
parasite
and so it goes

Posted by: todd | Feb 9 2024 22:52 utc | 51

Going Underground
@GUnderground_TV
South Africa’s🇿🇦 Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor says her family is being threatened by Israeli agents because of South Africa’s support for Palestinians in Gaza at the ICJ:

“I felt that [it would] be better if we had extra security. But what I’m more concerned about is my family, because in some of the social media messages my children are mentioned and so on, but this is par for the course. The Israeli agents, the intelligence services, [this] is how they behave, and they seek to intimidate you, so we must not be intimidated.”

“We can’t stand back now. We must be with them. And I think one of the things we must not allow is a failure of courage. It’s extremely important that we continue with this. We talked to the South African people; they understand why it is we have taken up this moral course.”

“We mustn’t pause. We shouldn’t become afraid. With the support of the people of Cape Town and broadly of South Africa, I believe we will have the strength to carry through this very important task.”

https://twitter.com/GUnderground_TV/status/1755896371440165274

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:18 utc | 52

Moroccan drug dealers boycott selling to Israeli criminals over Gaza war

Moroccan hashish sellers are refusing to sell their wares to Israeli criminals in protest at the war in Gaza, according to Israeli media.

A report in the Mako news site cited a number of Israeli drug dealers complaining about the drop-off in trade.

"The hashish dealers in Morocco are not willing to sell us more hashish either directly or through intermediaries," said one dealer.

"They decided that because of the war they are boycotting us. Since the war we have lost a lot of money. Tens of millions of shekels at least."

The outlet also quoted a Moroccan hashish dealer saying they were refusing to sell to Israelis over the war.

"Why is it possible for Israelis to make a living selling Moroccan hashish when our Palestinian brothers are suffering from hunger and living in inhumane conditions?" said the dealer, based in the Rif Mountains, a hub for hashish growing.

"Go buy it somewhere else. We no longer sell hashish to Israelis - before the war, we did business here with Israelis...merchants came here and made good money, now that's the end of it."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/moroccan-drug-dealers-boycott-selling-israeli-criminals-over-gaza-war?nid=341171&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=501556

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:27 utc | 53

Philippe Lazzarini
@UNLazzarini
Excellent discussion with H.H. @FaisalbinFarhan
, #KSA foreign minister about critical humanitarian situation in #Gaza & risks to entire region if @UNRWA
cannot continue to provide services + contribute to stability. I leave 🇸🇦 confident that @UNRWA
has a strong partner.

https://twitter.com/UNLazzarini/status/1755834203583758636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:30 utc | 54

Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
⚡️𝗦𝗧𝗔𝗧𝗘𝗠𝗘𝗡𝗧 by the Mujahideen Brigades’ Spox Abu Bilal, subtitled (courtesy of RNN).

• In terms of fatalities, they are in the thousands, not as israel claims.

• Based on our special sources within the depth of the entity, we confirm that the majority of those working in the ranks of the enemy's army in the Gaza Strip are mercenaries and hired soldiers, and their numerous bodies are transported through certain ships to a known destination for us

https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1756079890124660829

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:34 utc | 55

Confirming what we already know, the Israeli economy is F***ed.

Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
🛑| 𝗔 𝗯𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹𝗶 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗺𝘆:

Moody’s announces tonight the reduction of israel’s economy's credit rating from A1 to A2, and also the reduction of the rating forecast for the future from "stable" to "negative".

Moody’s rating are forward-looking opinions of the relative credit risks of financial obligations issued by non-financial corporates, financial institutions and public sector entities.

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:37 utc | 56

Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis
@DrLoupis
This map was issued by National Geographic in 1947, one year before the Nakba, there was no such thing called “Israel”.

Map:
https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1756005060054528503

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:51 utc | 57

last post:

All things interesting
@interesting_aIl
Great answer.

https://twitter.com/interesting_aIl/status/1755894886220337305

Posted by: Menz | Feb 10 2024 0:00 utc | 58

Below is the title of a ZH posting about the ongoing efforts of Yemen

Houthis Upping Explosive Drone Boat Swarms, Latest US Navy Intercept Shows

the quote

The Houthis on Friday have once again demonstrated their defiance, sending an unusually high number of of drone boats against Red Sea vessels, according to a US military statement. This follows days ago a pair of drone boats being destroyed by US missiles.

Since last year, the Houthis have primarily relied upon drones and ballistic missiles, with explosive-laden drone boats making an occasional appearance, but now it appears these 'suicide boats' are seeing greater use.

According to the Associated Press:

The U.S. military conducted new airstrikes targeting Yemen’s Houthi rebels, officials said Friday.

American forces destroyed four explosive-loaded drone boats and seven mobile anti-ship cruise missile launchers Thursday that could target vessels in the Red Sea, the U.S. military’s Central Command said.

"They presented an imminent threat to U.S. Navy ships and merchant vessels in the region," Central Command said. "These actions will protect freedom of navigation and make international waters safer and more secure for U.S. Navy and merchant vessels."


The US statement leaves it somewhat ambiguous whether the drone boats were actively engaged in an operation near commercial ships at the time they were destroyed.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 0:11 utc | 59

Aaron Mate confronts Chris Coons: https://t.me/myLordBebo/22396

Grayzone: 1
Israeli Thug: 0

Posted by: liveload | Feb 10 2024 0:27 utc | 60

@ Fake Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2024 0:58 utc | 61

Oh looky, the nick thief is back. Yay.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 10 2024 1:01 utc | 61

malenkov | Feb 10 2024 1:01 utc | 62
It is kind that you fed it. It needed to lash out after those two bases got hit.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:16 utc | 62

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 10 2024 1:01 utc | 62
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:16 utc | 63

I feel kind of honoured that the hasbarat would choose my nick to steal. I must have pissed them off bigly.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2024 3:21 utc | 63

Posted by: Menz | Feb 9 2024 23:27 utc | 53

There is indeed honor amongst thieves! (Although I don't think of drug traffickers as thieves. They are businessmen with customers.)

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:59 utc | 64

Part 3 of my blogposts on the Gaza war. I am from India and focus only on the military aspects of the conflict without taking sides. I post original data based analysis in my free blog.
https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2024/02/gaza-war-part-3-100-days-of-ground-war.html

I blog on current conflicts (incl Ukraine), Indian national security and business.

Posted by: Rahul Deans | Feb 10 2024 4:34 utc | 65

Surprised to find this article at Reuters

Undercover Israeli killings in West Bank hospital may be war crimes: UN experts
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/undercover-israeli-killings-west-bank-hospital-may-be-war-crimes-un-experts-2024-02-09/

West Bank Hospital

"Under international humanitarian law, killing a defenceless injured patient who is being treated in a hospital amounts to a war crime," the U.N. experts said in a statement, referring to Basel Al-Ghazzawi, a patient being treated for injuries it said were caused by an Israeli air strike.

"By disguising themselves as seemingly harmless, protected medical personnel and civilians, the Israeli forces also prima facie committed the war crime of perfidy, which is prohibited in all circumstances," they added, calling for Israel to conduct an investigation.


West Bank Hospital

Posted by: librul | Feb 10 2024 5:22 utc | 66

I think barflies will find this translated article interesting. The original was published in the Lebanese Al-Akhbar in Arabic.

Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 10 2024 5:51 utc | 67

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2024 3:21 utc | 64

Well done!

Additionally, what percentage of the comments here are from an account using the jewish spelling of Johnathan ?

30% ?

All of it drivel.

To everyone reading this, looking for answers in this awful world - I have no quick fix, no guarantee but this I can say will lift the veil and improve you life without compare, and the false positives and missed opportunities will be negligible.

Learn to identify jews, jewish argumentation, jewish names and jewish physical traits.

Identify jewish interests, jewish psychological tactics and strategies and all of the things that jews as a whole both prosper under and languish under.

What tools do they use the most, what remaining propagandistic rhetorical logic traps are still keeping the population in a trance.

Dissect and deconstruct the jew itself, individually, as a collective and all of their tendencies.

Do not address or argue with them directly, skip right past them and appeal to your fellow gentiles after you yourself have sufficiently honed your survival instinct that you never knew you had - antisemitism.

Posted by: ryanggg | Feb 10 2024 5:51 utc | 68

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has ordered the Israeli military to come up with a plan for civilians sheltering in the southern city of Rafah to evacuate, his office said on Friday, as Israeli leaders have increasingly indicated they intend to ultimately send ground troops into the crowded city.

“Any forceful action in Rafah would require the evacuation of the civilian population from combat zones,” the prime minister’s office said, without saying what area those zones would cover or when such an operation would begin.

Roughly 1.4 million Palestinians are now sheltering in Rafah, according to the United Nations. Lying on the border with Egypt, the city is one of the last areas of the Gaza Strip in which Israeli ground troops have yet to deploy in force. Many of the people who have squeezed into the city have been displaced multiple times since the beginning of the war, and finding food, water and medicine has become a daily struggle.

But it is not clear where those people could go and Israeli officials have yet to provide any clear answers. Many displaced Gazans sheltering in Rafah have fled from towns and cities farther north in the enclave, devastated by war, where fighting continues and basic supplies are critically short, and Israel has said they cannot yet return."

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 6:14 utc | 69

Posted by: Rahul Deans | Feb 10 2024 4:34 utc | 66

As an Indian, maybe you should concentrate more on India's complicity in Israel's genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. I was listening to a report on the BBC World Service to the effect that Israel has opened a number of large recruitment centres in India, with the reported case in Lucknow, in order to replace the Palestinians who are now refused work permits. The entire process of recruitment was described, with Israelis on site to tests the recruits on their technical competence, and whether they spoke any English.

India, known to be close friends with Israel, in spite of mild objections over what is being done to the Gazans, is in fact acting in high-level cooperation. Israel is getting more and more like Germany in the second world war, needing to fill its factories with foreign impressed slave labour.

Posted by: Laguerre | Feb 10 2024 6:46 utc | 70

Some reports estimate that the cannabis industry contributes anywhere from 10% to 30% of Morocco's GDP. Any Norman influence there? Remember Hunter's issues.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 6:48 utc | 71

One can hear the death knell of the Abraham Accord between Morocco and Israel.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 6:51 utc | 72

Below is a link to a young woman creating murals on the rubble in Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrZ5l3VXaA

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 6:54 utc | 73

What happens between India and Israel is somehow reminiscent of the support that the US lends to democracy in its neighbour Pakistan as evidenced by the presidential election there.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 7:05 utc | 74

Not presidential though, my bad.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 7:14 utc | 75

"Joe Biden has suffered “the worst day of his presidency”, an ally said, after a bombshell report found the US President had “significant limitations in his memory”.

Lawyers who interviewed Mr Biden as part of an investigation into his handling of classified documents said he could not remember the years when he was vice president or when his son died of brain cancer.

An ally of the President said it had been “the worst day of his presidency”, telling NBC News: “I think he needs to show us this is a demonstrably false characterisation of him and that he has what it takes to win and govern.”

Another Democratic operative said the report was “beyond devastating” and “confirms every doubt and concern” that voters have about Mr Biden.

“If the only reason they didn’t charge him is because he’s too old to be charged, then how can he be President of the United States?” they added."

-

Source: Britain. Remember Biden skipped the coronation and nixed Ben Wallace as Nato sec-general. Hence this unspun reporting from Britain. Name of the publication withheld to teach that wanker a lesson.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 7:21 utc | 76

Source: Britain.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 7:21 utc | 77

Plenty of US sources are saying the same thing. Biden proved it in his presser intended to deny the problem, when he called Sisi president of Mexico right at the end.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 10 2024 7:45 utc | 77

time for all ppl with channels and media outlets to give a voice to norway, spain, ireland and south africa
they are invisible and probably banned in EU and US media for their dissent
now or never, before next icj hearing (the new composition of the court looks bad) and before the Assange demos...let them take side on that too
big escalation in red sea due 19 feb imo

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2024 8:05 utc | 78

@ ryanggg | Feb 10 2024 5:51 utc | 69

22% so far in this thread.

Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 10 2024 8:07 utc | 79

Israel appears to be in breach of ICJ orders on Gaza, senior UN official says

Special rapporteur cites lack of medical supplies, food and clean water, and continued demolition of infrastructure

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 11:04 utc | 80

……. The 'victim' is a Zionist who has been aggressive towards other students, including anti-Zionist Jewish ones. He's a racist psychopath who probably went around trying to incite violence.

Posted by: Angel in Berlin | Feb 9 2024 22:50 utc | 5……

In NYC there were a few incidents where violent Zionists claimed to have been attacked by peace activists. Subsequent videos showed the Zionists had viciously assaulted the peace activists who defended themselves.

A consistent pattern seems to be emerging

Posted by: Exile | Feb 10 2024 12:13 utc | 81

Minaa | Feb 10 2024 8:05 utc | 79

The New composition of the ICJ court, with a Pro-palestinian as head and that Ugandan woman (the only one who voted against both texts - in favour of Israel) as second, seems designed to be "fair" and avoid accusations of bias.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 10 2024 12:20 utc | 82

"Christendom dead"
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Feb 9 2024 19:24 utc | 27

Christendom was dead with the invention of "Just War".
After that it was just another power faction.
( That evolved into a terrifyingly potent participant )
the basic philosophic foundation has long been lost.
Actually perverted to no end: Looking at those Fundi Christians in the US.

Posted by: MAKK | Feb 10 2024 12:27 utc | 83

India, known to be close friends with Israel, in spite of mild objections over what is being done to the Gazans, is in fact acting in high-level cooperation. Israel is getting more and more like Germany in the second world war, needing to fill its factories with foreign impressed slave labour.

Posted by: Laguerre | Feb 10 2024 6:46 utc | 71

This goes back to a little debate I had a few months back on whether foreign workers in 'Israel' could be considered legitimate targets for Hamas.

My argument was that they're all complicit in a known settler colonial occupation and therefore should be treated effectively as mercenaries.

This recent round of recruitment simply clarifies and underscores that argument.

These workers, should they make it to occupied Palestine, deserve whatever comes their way.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 10 2024 12:49 utc | 84

Anti-Semitic violence at Berlin universities is increasing at an alarming rate ... a Jewish student at the FU was beaten to the point of hospitalization ...

When students ... pro-Palestinian propaganda ... with black corona masks and red-colored, blood-smeared hands ... their so-called “performance” ... could hardly have expressed their own rejection of complexity more clearly... [complexity] was sacrificed for ... quick effect of a “promotion” ... The president of the UdK ... was shouted down.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 9 2024 12:24 utc | 1

Alright ... I get it ... they lack an appreciation of the complexities inherent in the current situation. Cool. Is this complex enough? Or is it also lacking in "complexity"?

Residents retrieve dozens of bodies from the "New Gaza School", operated by UNRWA.

Thousands of civilians sought refuge at the school, however, they were chased down and killed by the Israeli army.

https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/24878

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Feb 10 2024 12:50 utc | 85

Dying for iZrael.

The forces at Al-Tanf, for which the now infamous Tower 22
gives support, are on the highway to Damascus to cut a
supply route for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

The Pentagon claims "security failure" at Tower 22 is to blame
for the recent casualties.

(Lobbyists for the military industrial complex immediately chorused
that they had upgrades available for a small fee for enhanced radar systems.)

How convenient that a pretext for a major escalation in US attacks upon Iraq
was created only hours after the US and Iraq had had their first
official negotiation session over the withdrawl of US forces from Iraq.

If the Pentagon was willing to attack itself on September 11th, 2001
it should surprise no one that they were willing to betray National Guard troops
on the Syria/Jordan border.

Has anyone seen any evidence for the Pentagon's version of events
at "Tower 22"? It took the Pentagon years to release essentially useless
pictures monitoring a parking lot gate on September 11th.
The entire Pentagon -- the entire Pentagon?! -- and the only available
monitoring was from a parking lot gate. How is that for giving the
free people of the United States the go-to-hell finger.

So why does anyone believe what the Pentagon is selling about Tower 22?

No surprise that the "security failure at Tower 22" serves the interests
of genocidal iZrael, the salesmen for the Military Industrial Complex,
and the warmongers of Washington.

Posted by: librul | Feb 10 2024 12:52 utc | 86

Re: Telegram links. When someone links to a Telegram post, more often than not I cannot view the picture or the video. Sometimes a video will show a still, blurry picture, but will not play. Usually I can't see the video OR any still picture.

Does one have to be a member of Telegram in order to view the posts there? (Using Safari on a Mac, btw.)

- Teri

Posted by: teri | Feb 10 2024 13:27 utc | 87

@ teri | Feb 10 2024 13:27 utc | 88

Not sure about on a PC, but it’s probably best to download the app on an iOS or Android device. Registering is very simple.

Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 10 2024 13:37 utc | 88

Telegram works on pc Mac. Search for the official website. Not the play or Apple etc stores as they censor their versions of content. Just need to link with a phone number that sends a verification code. Some people don't like that

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 10 2024 14:40 utc | 89

Hankster | Feb 10 2024 14:40 utc | 90

use a burner for registration.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 10 2024 14:48 utc | 90

Artists for Ceasefire

https://www.artists4ceasefire.org/

Referenced famously by Annie Lennox at the Grammies

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 15:30 utc | 91

You know that the Ghaza inhabitants have been kettled, hearded into Rapha, just across the Egyptian border, now they will bomb them like that, helpless.

The inhabitants of Ghaza have been cattled into the south, to Rapha, the Egyptian border, now they will bomb them.More than a million of them.

I appeal to @pq, to start posting again.

to start posting again, whatever happened.
I know you have not been banned.

This can not pass.

I have to go out, storm is on but have to give medicine to some wild babies.
Get posting again.

2

Posted by: stranger | Feb 10 2024 15:37 utc | 92

"The New composition of the ICJ court, with a Pro-palestinian as head and that Ugandan woman (the only one who voted against both texts - in favour of Israel) as second, seems designed to be "fair" and avoid accusations of bias."
Have you checked him on wiki? He was among the guys involved in the kangaroo Hariri court.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2024 15:58 utc | 93

"Christendom was dead with the invention of "Just War".
After that it was just another power faction.
( That evolved into a terrifyingly potent participant )
the basic philosophic foundation has long been lost.
Actually perverted to no end: Looking at those Fundi Christians in the US."
Just war was invented by St Augustine in his Against the Pelagians (and is everywhere in the Old Testament). I wonder how a publication such as The Postil can claim Augustine's legacy, frankly.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2024 16:00 utc | 94

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 6:48 utc | 72

LOL!

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 10 2024 16:07 utc | 95

@ tawharanui, Hankster, dan of Steele;

Thank you! I'll give it a go.

Posted by: teri | Feb 10 2024 16:17 utc | 96

Hind, the 6 year old girl who phoned the red cross, found dead.
The ambulance who went to save her was bombed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help


I can't even try to imagine her suffering . This is really way beyond anyone's imagination.

Posted by: Animal | Feb 10 2024 16:19 utc | 97

"Just war was invented by St Augustine in his Against the Pelagians (and is everywhere in the Old Testament). I wonder how a publication such as The Postil can claim Augustine's legacy, frankly."

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 10 2024 16:00 utc | 95

I don't know about that; Origen (183-255 AD) preceded Augustine by over 200 years. I think he was the first Christian scholar that considered 'just war' by Christians. Although Augustine certainly codified Origen's idea and embellished upon it"

“Origen considered the Old Testament as an allegory of the New, consequently Christians should study the historical
books of the Old Testament with the understanding that these wars should be understood as
spiritual wars against the devil. They functioned as exempla for moral edification rather than as
guides for making decisions” (1)

1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen

Posted by: canuck | Feb 10 2024 16:20 utc | 98

The argument is that Origen would have approved of a Rafah bombing or are we back to the group therapy? I
don't think Biden the Norman and Netanyahu the Khazar could give a flying fuck.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 16:30 utc | 99

It would make more sense to argue that Egypt does not open the border because Origen was from Alexandria and he read the Old Testament.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 10 2024 16:33 utc | 100

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