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February 4, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-041
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@AI
It won’t end till they push all the Palestinians out. Not just those in Gaza but the West Bank too. And who’s going to stop them? They are backed by the world’s lone superpower and its vassals in Europe.
Posted by: bored | Feb 4 2024 14:58 utc | 2
AI@1….it ends when the Squatters all go back to the Bronx. Voluntarily, or in boxes. Their choice. Good read on Karl’s substack, but as long as the Axis of Resistance has no viable AD, it really is just a duck shoot on the ground. A few missiles killing a few Green Card wannabees will not scare the US away. I don’t think, nor have I seen yet, any evidence that the resistance can bring enough hardware to the table, to totally eradicate an illegal US base.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 15:05 utc | 3
@AI
It won’t end till they push all the Palestinians out. Not just those in Gaza but the West Bank too. And who’s going to stop them? They are backed by the world’s lone superpower and its vassals in Europe.”
Posted by: bored | Feb 4 2024 14:58 utc | 2
The neo cons, most American and you still believe the US is the ‘lone super power’ yet by all analysis, military, economic and geopolitically, it is not.
However, it is still a great power as is China and Russia.
The Anglo/Zionists will be stopped in the next year or two.
@4…..stopped? By whom? With what?
Cheers M
Great powers; trapped in border disputes with neighbors? Great Powers exercise their power, see USA. Open borders. Their ships sinking? There planes being shot out of the air? We have yet to see the emergence of another Great Power…..how we wait.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 15:41 utc | 5
https://thecradle.co/articles/us-forces-loot-more-syrian-oil
US forces loot more Syrian oil
The oil theft and smuggling operation comes two days after a brutal US attack on Syria and Iraq
US occupation troops in Syria’s northeastern Jazira region looted 60 tankers of crude oil and transported it through an illegal border crossing into its military bases in Iraq, Syrian state media reported on 4 February.
“The American occupation continued its plundering of Syrian oil wealth, transferring it from the areas it occupies in the Hasakah countryside to its bases in Iraqi territory through illegal crossings,” SANA news outlet reported
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Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 4 2024 15:56 utc | 6
There is so little patience.
The Axis of Resistance has been showing the way. When an enemy is making a mistake, don’t interrupt them.
Yes, people are dying. We all will die. So many in this conflict are fulfilled and satisfied to die as martyrs.
At least these people dying are dying for a purpose. To help birth a better world for billions. Most of us can only dream of participating in something with such nobility in our lives.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2024 16:02 utc | 7
Extraordinary detailed expose of the ADL skulldrudgery in the U.S.
https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228
Posted by: Exile | Feb 4 2024 16:10 utc | 8
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I do not think that the children of Gaza agree with your statement. Hamas fighters in Gaza may agree with you but they continue to stay in the tunnels while the Red Crescent attempts to save Gaza’s children from slaughter.
I understand that Hamas can not fight Israel in the open but it’s frustrating to watch more and more children die as people say Israel is losing while killing 3-4% of Gaza and demolishing whole cities.
Posted by: Phenix | Feb 4 2024 16:15 utc | 9
“The Houthis’ attacks on commercial and military vessels in the Red Sea are illegal and unacceptable and it is our duty to protect innocent lives…”
UK Defense Minister Grant Shapps commenting yesterday
I guess ‘innocent’ Palestinian somehow don’t qualify?
The most benign form of protest and by far the safest, is the Boycott. Anyone not familiar with the name, look him up. Another gift from Ireland to the World. No heads rolling down the streets, gallows pole galleries, or limbless orphans.
Big shout out to all those consciously aware and making the effort…..
….’spet tiss a bit more complicated than simple boycott of yore……
At the old Iraqwar.ru site (lep was verve back then, Hack was a regular), Iraq War 1.0, was the first time I really embraced ‘the boycott’ making it a component of my personal protest, and asking others to make the conscious effort to also use discretion when buying goods from a Regime that practices Genocide, going on close to eighty years now….but the beast has diversified now, their goods get relabeled, and through deceit they continue their
oppression.
So it’s not enough to just target products, it needs to be full court press, boycott the countries that support this Genocide.
My 2p, shop local, buy and support local made goods and products, travel local, staycation local, reduce consumer materialism, reuse, reduce…..get as Zen as possible. And I’ll be honest, just with diet alone and the ability to get fresh fruit, oranges etc, one can’t be expected to completely boycott everything…..just use discretion and common sense.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 16:23 utc | 11
UK Defense Minister Grant Shapps commenting yesterday
I guess ‘innocent’ Palestinian somehow don’t qualify?
Posted by: canuck | Feb 4 2024 16:20 utc | 10
Isn’t Shapps Jewish?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 16:25 utc | 12
Meanwhile in Izrael
Speeches at the weekly Tel Aviv rally demanding the return of hostages held in Gaza took a more strongly political tone than ever before on Saturday night, with speakers accusing the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of being indifferent to the hostages’ fate and Netanyahu of being guided by personal considerations and stalling to avoid investigations and elections.
Netanyahu had several reasons to LIHOP.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/latest-hostage-rally-demanding-deal-with-hamas-takes-on-stronger-political-tones/
No word yet about the demise of “Israel”.
Whatever legitimacy (I know) Izrael ever had is gone.
It used it’s own citizens as sacrificial lambs
on Oct 7th and since then has been committing genocide.
Treachery, betrayal, genocide and theft
goes on the head stone of Izrael.
Posted by: librul | Feb 4 2024 16:26 utc | 13
anon2020@6….60 tankers, not one was targeted….fucking dummies, can stand there and count them passing by, yet can’t hit them where they are massed. The Gods of Mammon roar with laughter.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 16:29 utc | 15
UK Defense Minister Grant Shapps commenting yesterday
I guess ‘innocent’ Palestinian somehow don’t qualify?
Posted by: canuck | Feb 4 2024 16:20 utc | 10
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I doubt Mr. Shapps regards Palestinians as people. (And yes, he’s Jewish.)
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 4 2024 16:31 utc | 16
“The Axis of Resistance has been showing the way. When an enemy is making a mistake, don’t interrupt them.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2024 16:02 utc | 7
When put in context to the Art of War the Russian and Chinese strategies start to become clear.
Never corner your enemy with no options of retreat or de-escalation. A desperate enemy becomes dangerous.
Of course that has to be put in context to a dying Empire that perceives its decline as an existential threat. It’s a perception management problem.
It’s my view that Publications like RT have been putting much of their effort into social engineering a less extremist G7.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 4 2024 16:35 utc | 17
How could 60 tanker trucks of stolen oil pass through a war zone unscathed?
How many people paid off? I’d guess maybe 50.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 4 2024 16:36 utc | 18
https://nitter.net/KimIversenShow/status/1719653948553154773#m
Kim Iversen 🇺🇸
@KimIversenShow
1 Nov 2023
Every American I know who has spent time in Palestine comes back angry, disgusted and traumatized. I’ve yet to meet someone who says “it’s not that bad. It’s their fault and they deserve it”. I’ve met many who went believing Israel were the good guys and Palestinians screwed themselves over only to come back with an entirely disgusted view of Israel.
I came back in a state of shock. I witnessed in real life things I had only read about in history books. Things I never believed a government could do in modern times. I had a neutral view of Israel prior to my trip. During my trip I was extremely skeptical and even pissed off several Palestinians with my lines of questioning. When I came back to the states and began processing everything… I couldn’t turn on the lights or get myself out of bed for a week. What I saw was unimaginable. It was a cruelty aimed at a group of generous and warm people with a very very clear intent- to get rid of them. And I couldn’t believe the group doing it to these people had it done to them not long ago. They took similar tactics and weaponized them against others. That is what I saw and I can’t unsee it. The children in the schools would stop me and beg me to come home and tell America to stop. They know it’s us allowing this abuse.
Myself and everyone I know comes back disgusted with Israel. And many of us weren’t even in Gaza witnessing war. Everyday normal life for Palestinians is cruel and it’s 100% controlled by Israel. And despite what we’ve been spoon fed our whole lives, it’s not done because the Palestinians are violent and dangerous, it’s done to rid the region of them. To make their lives so miserable they either leave or violently rise up giving Israel an excuse to take more land. And the Israelis are not shy about this when you speak to them. Some might couch it with statements like “well we tried peace but they didn’t accept it”. It doesn’t matter how they phrase it, they still end up in the same place which is “they can’t stay” and “we want them gone”.
Nov 1, 2023 · 9:53 AM UTC
I want to add that the cruelty was aimed at all Palestinians no matter their religion or politics. Christian Palestinians, American Palestinians (there trying to rebuild) Jewish Palestinians (yes, they exist!), Muslim Palestinians and Agnostic Palestinians. It made no difference. The cruelty against them is the same. Settlers attack and even kill, IDF does nothing. Settlers steal, IDF does nothing. On the other hand a Palestinian fights back, their mother’s home gets destroyed as punishment. Palestinians were ALL in unison about who is their greatest oppressor. It was shocking to see.
Here is my stream about what I saw right after coming back. It was 4 years ago almost exactly. Right before the Pandemic.
piped.video/watch?v=vDJPf_JY…
Posted by: MD | Feb 4 2024 16:38 utc | 19
Well it’s a genocide in every term. Killing, orphanage, erasing culture.
It’s not the first it’s not the last.
But the culpability of the wast will be forever recorded, and Israel will never ever be a safe place on earth.
Bravo Israeli government and bravo Zionists murderers
Posted by: Animal | Feb 4 2024 16:42 utc | 20
Parents have grief over their dead hostage son killed by IDF bombing of Gaza.
I doubt they will ever let themselves believe Netanyahu LIHOP.
Ron’s parents expressed their grief and anger in the form of a 40 cm. x 40 cm. stone plaque they placed on Ron’s grave in the traditional ceremony held on the 30th day after death. The inscription said: “Abducted, abandoned and sacrificed in Gaza by the blunder government in the October 7 tragedy.”The stone and the inscription, she says, was paid for by the family and the text was authorized by the IDF’s casualties unit. But astonishingly, after the ceremony, the plaque was taken away by a woman from the Defense Ministry.
If they knew they would pack up and leave Palestine.
Posted by: librul | Feb 4 2024 16:43 utc | 21
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said during a visit to the Tel Nof Air Base that “every airstrike in Gaza brings us closer to achieving our goals and returning the hostages
Haaretz
How can one be that ignorant ? Are the Israelis falling for this ?
Posted by: Animal | Feb 4 2024 16:45 utc | 22
MD. Thanks for sharing this
When my kids were young we belonged to a church where the Pastor was one of the people I think is actually a real Christian
He went to Israel to walk in the footsteps of Christ, he came back and spent the rest of his life fighting for Palestine, and working with street people..
He wouldn’t say it directly but he could not stand Israelis
My daughter went there to meet her work mates and even though she never set foot in Palestine she will never go back she hated Israel.
Posted by: Susan | Feb 4 2024 16:51 utc | 23
MD@19….many over analyze and blame Hussein’s move away from the Petro dollar for the downfall of Iraq when in reality it was Hussein paying and reimbursing Palestinian families that were having their homes destroyed by the Apartheid Regime that occupies Palestine.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 17:07 utc | 24
My son went to Israel back in ’13 or ’14 when he was doing sound for a black lady. Won’t mention who, but he’s been all over the world and said it’s a shit hole and would never go back. They had to travel with idf “guards” the whole time they were there.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Feb 4 2024 17:16 utc | 25
History
“We have neighbors who are our bitter enemies … I send them messages all the time … these days, right now … I mislead them, destabilize them, mock them, and then hit them over the head. It’s impossible to reach an agreement with them … Everyone knows this, but we control the height of the flames,” Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, states.
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April 2023
He called it
But even that assessment comes with a caveat. “I predict that there will soon be a major security incident that will reshuffle the deck and put the reform into deep freeze,” a senior government official told Haaretz. “If that doesn’t happen, the only question that remains is Netanyahu’s ability to stay in power. That’s the key question.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-04-21/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-stands-at-a-crossroads-and-all-roads-lead-to-hell/00000187-a02d-d50b-a78f-e5bd43b80000
archive:
https://archive.is/0NLpr
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quote from @13
Speeches at the weekly Tel Aviv rally demanding the return of hostages held in Gaza took a more strongly political tone than ever before on Saturday night, with speakers accusing the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of being indifferent to the hostages’ fate and Netanyahu of being guided by personal considerations and stalling to avoid investigations and elections.
Posted by: librul | Feb 4 2024 17:21 utc | 26
@4…..the West stopped? By whom? With what?
Bankruptcy happens slowly at first, and then fast. The West reached moral bankruptcy decades ago. They couldn’t stop lying, it became their second nature. They have now progressed to the stage of industrial bankruptcy. They can’t produce their own shells in significant numbers. Their last fighter design, the F35 is the laughing stock of the world. They are currently advancing towards military bankruptcy. Just can’t recruit the number of soldiers they need.
Political bankruptcy is just around the corner, if the US 2024 elections are anything to go by. Financial and geostrategic bankruptcy will eventually follow.
Take the long view! Look at this through oriental eyes. There is no need for anybody to stop the West. They are well on the path of collapsing themselves, no external help needed, and the process is accelerating. Be patient and chill out.
Posted by: Shahmaran | Feb 4 2024 17:24 utc | 27
Immaculate deception | Feb 4 2024 17:16 utc | 25 – “’13 or ’14 when he was doing sound for a black lady”
Either Alicia Keys or Rihanna!
Posted by: nudge | Feb 4 2024 17:25 utc | 28
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Ron_Unz_The_Balfour_Declaration_and_116000_American_Lives.pdf
another Ron Unz article. worth the read <=its long but worth the read.
Posted by: snake | Feb 4 2024 17:29 utc | 29
The history of the region provides ample lessons in resistance to and victory over occupation and genocide. The text below is machine translated with minor editing:
Abdul Qadir Al-Jilani (nicknamed the Knight of Baghdad) carried out a renewal movement to spread the spirit of faith and opened his school in Baghdad, relying on a charitable endowment to provide food and housing for the school’s patrons. Then the pioneers of the school set out in all regions of the Islamic world, following the same school approach and practice, and opened nearly 400 schools. Their slogan was, “To each his own jurisprudential and intellectual school of thought, and our goal is one, which is to liberate Jerusalem from the yoke of the Crusader occupation,” which had seized it for nearly 90 years.
Al-Jilani adopted a behavioral approach in purification – “creating a human at the table of faith” – and Al-Jilani actually succeeded in preparing the generation of “pioneers” who carried the idea and then spread it through their schools in all the regions. A new generation of both genders emerged. Where history recorded women with the degree of issuing fatwas in the Levant. “During the period when Saladin al-Ayyubi was in power” the number reached 800 women graduates of the original Al-Jilani School or its branches.
Then Salah al-Din come at the top of a generation bursting with vitality and sacrifice, harmonized by a vision “of common denominators,” the most prominent of which is the cleansing of Jerusalem from the abomination of occupation, as well as respect for the other, regardless of his intellectual or jurisprudential sect, as well as asceticism in this world – by keeping it in the hand and not in the heart, and this was emphasized by Al-Jilani in his speech. over and over. He called for adopting reasons, contradicting and fighting what had become entrenched in the deviant Sufi discourse, stressing that abandoning reasons is contrary to Sharia law, as he considered that there is no difference between one who abandons reasons and one who abandons prayer.
Based on the book “This is How the Generation of Saladin Appeared” by Majid ‘Irsan Al-Kilani.
p.s. Disclaimer: I reject any characterization of our struggle as a religious one, and the above does not do that. I am not advocating or promoting anything but any resistance that is faithful to the oppressed people.
Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 4 2024 17:40 utc | 30
From: librul
To: all
Breacking! Adam & Eve eating the fruit of the tree was a false flag/LIHOP operation. God could’nt ignore the serpent‘s schemes. Aim of the trick: getting the serpent go flat on the earth. More details and explanations from me in the coming few millennia, stay tuned.
Posted by: Leuk | Feb 4 2024 17:40 utc | 31
As I said at the end of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions thread, that probably no one will see,
“Boycott Israeli products! Don’t buy anything with a barcode starting with 729!” (Paraphrased.)
WAIT A MINUTE.
I searched my pantry to see if there was anything with such a barcode. The only one I found was some VineRipe Ketchup. The label clearly says Made in USA. Besides that, if 729 means Israel, then the next two digits must be for the company, since the last five digits (separated from the first five) designate the actual product. If this “729” stuff was true, there could only be 100 companies selling barcoded products in all of Israel!
So I did some more research before leaping headfirst into taking the ketchup back for a refund. A little skepticism about any claim is a good strategy.
This explanation makes logical sense to me:
Misleading barcode claims resurface amid calls for boycott of Israeli goods
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34BU7EC
Posted by: Dalit | Feb 4 2024 10:47 utc | 336
Addendum:
I don’t know why this company would register its barcoded products through a company in Israel, maybe it deserves to be boycotted for that, but the point is that “729” is not some magic number that will guarantee that your boycott target deserves it, nor does it even guarantee you’re targeting every company that deserves it. As I see it, looking for a “729” is wasted effort that could be better spent elsewhere.
Posted by: Dalit | Feb 4 2024 17:46 utc | 32
@2 & 3
The US regime is the new Roman Empire, a declining power and rightly so.
Posted by: AI | Feb 4 2024 18:09 utc | 33
They had to travel with idf “guards” the whole time they were there.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Feb 4 2024 17:16 utc | 25
Are you sure your son didn’t say he went to North Korea?
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 4 2024 18:12 utc | 34
“We intend to take additional strikes, and additional action, to continue to send a clear message that the United States will respond when our forces are attacked, when our people are killed,” White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told NBC’s “Meet the Press” program on Sunday.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 18:16 utc | 35
Posted by: MD | Feb 4 2024 16:38 utc | 19
Thanks for sharing your story, which echoes so many others I’ve read. The public in countries allied to israel needs to be made aware of the Palestinians’ plight. I was unfortunately not able to connect to your link – are you sure it’s correct?
Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 4 2024 18:17 utc | 36
Al-Qassem Daily SitRep
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2039314
Comment: 3 more Merkava’s claimed; tally now 160 Merkavas
Posted by: Exile | Feb 4 2024 18:18 utc | 37
UK Defense Minister Grant Shapps commenting yesterday
I guess ‘innocent’ Palestinian children somehow don’t qualify?
Posted by: canuck | Feb 4 2024 16:20 utc | 10
“Isn’t Shapps Jewish?”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 16:25 utc | 12
Yes , he is Jewish and I would call him an Anglo/Zionist; he is one and exactly literal.
He also seems to be somewhat of a crook (see below-this is from wiki(1) so if its this bad on wiki, the reality will necessarily ); he will do well in the bribing, kickbacking, terrorism crony world of the Military Industrial Complex world -he will sparkle I’m sure, but , not unfortunately for the British people.
What I found rather amusing is that he got ‘cancer’ changed his name said he didn’t use other 3 other names than remembered but didn’t remember his other name-if you wrote fiction like this your editor would laugh you out of your pitch:
1.. Shapps founded a web publishing business, How To Corp Limited, with his wife while he was recovering from cancer.[24] The company marketed business publications and software. The existence of at least three people who allegedly provided testimonials for the company has been questioned.[25] Shapps stood down as a director in July 2008; his wife remained as director until the company was dissolved in 2014.[26]
In September 2012, Google blacklisted 19 of the Shapps’ business websites for violating rules on copyright infringement related to the web scraping-based TrafficPayMaster software sold by them.[27][28] Shapps’s web marketing business’s 20/20 Challenge publication also drew criticism. It cost $497 and promised customers earnings of $20,000 in 20 days. Upon purchase, the “toolkit” was revealed to be an ebook, advising the user to create their own toolkit and recruit 100 “Joint Venture Partners” to resell it for a share of the profits.[29][30]
Shapps’s use of the names Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox attracted media attention in 2012. He denied having used a pseudonym after entering parliament and, in 2014, threatened legal action against a constituent who had stated on Facebook that he had. In February 2015, he told LBC Radio: “I don’t have a second job and have never had a second job while being an MP. End of story.”[31]
In March 2015, Shapps said he had made an error in his interview with LBC and was “mistaken over the dates” of his outside employment. He said he had “over-firmly denied” having a second job. David Cameron defended Shapps, saying he had made a mistake and it was time to “move on”.[32][33][34] In March 2015, Dean Archer, the constituent previously threatened with legal action by Shapps, threatened Shapps with legal action.[35][36][needs update]”
Wow.
As to the BDS movement, this is from their website bdsmovement.net. If you want somw muscle behind your individual actions visit them:
“Recently, McDonald’s franchisee in Malaysia has filed a SLAPP lawsuit against solidarity activists, claiming defamation. Instead of holding the Israel franchisee to account for supporting genocide, we are now witnessing corporate bullying against activists. For both these reasons, we are calling to escalate the boycott of McDonald’s until the parent company takes action and ends the complicity of the brand.”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 18:27 utc | 39
Assad said the strikes were against the Syrian army and its assets.
Are these small groups of resistance western assets used as an excuse by the west to kill the locals?
Posted by: OohCanada | Feb 4 2024 18:30 utc | 40
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grants schapps self identifies as jewish he is not semite just another khazar ashkanazim sabbatean frankist satanick city of london foreign city state pirate
Posted by: todd | Feb 4 2024 18:36 utc | 41
Since Bellingcat and Olof Palme’s son were mentioned in a previous thread, it is good to know Bellingcat has proved to be worthy of the trust that Joakim placed in them:
“Bellingcat researcher and trainer Michael Sheldon painstakingly analysed an image of a member of the Russian paramilitary Rusich Group committing an apparent war crime.
Through a meticulous analysis of the camouflage pattern on the man’s uniform and visual evidence of fighters in the unit across the web, he was able to connect the uniform the man is wearing to Alexey Milchakov, a notorious neo-Nazi and former Rusich leader.”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 18:50 utc | 42
The Rusich thing is located in Syria hence this thread. And my oh my, here it comes: the breaking news from Bellingcat itself. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bellingat some info on who killed Palme but prefers not to release it. This is gross:
“We also were honoured to receive the 2024 Olof Palme Prize, given out annually by Sweden’s Olof Palme Memorial Fund for outstanding achievement in the spirit of its namesake, the late Swedish prime minister and statesman who notably campaigned against war crimes and apartheid. Eliot Higgins spoke to Swedish national broadcaster SVT about the award.”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 4 2024 19:04 utc | 43
I don’t think, nor have I seen yet, any evidence that the resistance can bring enough hardware to the table, to totally eradicate an illegal US base.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 15:05 utc | 3
The resistance groups operate, more or less tolerated, from state territory. They are weaker and less equiped as the states army etc.
The states itself are not able to solve the problem in short time.
The presence of us military basis is the consequence of weakness (of a state).
They should look for the supply and the costs of the base.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/al-tanf-garrison-americas-strategic-baggage-in-the-middle-east/
I guess the opportunity just arised by the hamas actions and the way Israel and USA are handling the situation.
Posted by: 600w | Feb 4 2024 19:14 utc | 44
librul
“Speeches at the weekly Tel Aviv rally demanding the return of hostages held in Gaza took a more strongly political tone than ever before on Saturday night, with speakers accusing the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of being indifferent to the hostages’ fate … “
Scott Ritter gave an illuminating account of who many of the Jewish prisoners taken by Hamas, were. They are / were intelligence officers. Hamas overran an army base bordering Gaza that was responsible for intelligence operations throughout Gaza. They captured everything and everyone including computers with lists of all IDF’s informers in Gaza. Some were killed but several intelligence officers were captured. An intelligence and espionage disaster for Israel.
That is why to say that Israel are less than motivated to rescue their hostages is the understatement of the whole Holocene. No – the IDF are trying to kill all their own intelligence officers held hostage. They killed some recently by gassing a tunnel. And they won’t stop. The hostages’ relatives know this and that’s why they’re so angry.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 4 2024 19:19 utc | 45
When the People rise up, they will at first be gunned down by their own governments. But eventually, if they don’t give up, they will prevail. Thousands and millions will be slaughtered.
We have no representation and no democracy. Our governments are totally corrupt. And when you think they cannot become any more corrupt, they surprise you with ever more blatant corruption.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 4 2024 19:23 utc | 46
The World Needs to Stand by UNRWA – New York Times by Espen Barth Eide – the foreign minister of Norway
Anyone else curious why Norwegian state ‘cares’ about Palestine? I assume it is nothing to do w conscience.
Is there a covert relation bw Norwegian state & Qatar / Muslim brotherhood?
Posted by: Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
@Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
Anyone else curious why Norwegian state ‘cares’ about Palestine? I assume it is nothing to do w conscience.
I suspect they are understanding they got it completely wrong in Ukraine without wanting to admit it, so they try to compensate in Palestine.
Just a guess based on mentality.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 19:57 utc | 48
Anyone else curious why Norwegian state ‘cares’ about Palestine?
I assume it is nothing to do w conscience.
Posted by: Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
Why would you make that assumption?
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 4 2024 19:58 utc | 49
@ Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
maybe because they were one of the earlier members in supporting UNRWA and they actually give a shit, which is more then can be said for a number of western countries, including the one i live in – canada… kudos to norway either way..
Posted by: james | Feb 4 2024 20:05 utc | 50
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 4 2024 19:23 utc | 46
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Men cannot fix the problems of the world.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2024 20:09 utc | 51
Posted by: Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
I’m curious why you dismiss opposition to genocide as somehow due to a vague unspecified relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood?
Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 4 2024 20:11 utc | 52
the other thing…
maybe norway isn’t as easily persuaded by obvious fabricated bullshit provided by israel for the desired effect.. apparently some others aren’t either.. again – it is great when some country or person can see thru the bullshit and especially the manufacturer of the bullshit..
Posted by: james | Feb 4 2024 20:11 utc | 53
@ Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47 who is asking why Norway is supporting the UNRWA
Not all empire zombies are created equal. The private finance jackboot keeps most nations in zombie space but culture and history do make a difference still….the IMF/World Bank and the God Of Mammon cult are losing ground but still quite effective, unfortunately.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2024 20:12 utc | 54
@james | Feb 4 2024 20:11 utc | 53
maybe norway isn’t as easily persuaded by obvious fabricated bullshit provided by israel for the desired effect..
It takes things like 22. July 2011 to persuade people like Stoltenberg, but he was successfully persuaded.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:19 utc | 55
@Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:19 utc | 55
And here is why it was necessary (the day before)
https://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m446/marichen/boikottisrael-1.png
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:24 utc | 56
@ Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:19 utc | 55
thanks… i recall you mentioning the importance of that date and event before and in this regard as memory serves..
Posted by: james | Feb 4 2024 20:29 utc | 57
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 19:57 utc | 48
Glad you’re here for this one.
Would you agree with my thought that the heavy pressure of NATO/US makes it virtually
impossible for us as a state to not line up with them when it comes to Ukraine but
that pressure is not there when it comes to Palestinians so we are allowed to support them?
Extending that thought I think it’s feasible that without the pressure of NATO/US we may
actually have at least stayed neutral when it comes to the SMO or maybe even supported the SMO
based on our experience with the Nazis in WWII.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 4 2024 20:33 utc | 58
@ waynorinorway | Feb 4 2024 20:33 utc | 58
Would you agree with my thought that the heavy pressure of NATO/US makes it virtually
impossible for us as a state to not line up with them when it comes to Ukraine but
that pressure is not there when it comes to Palestinians so we are allowed to support them?
For sure the government has been been stripped naked wrt. Ukraine, there is no room for independent position, and Stoltenberg is the guarantee it remains so. Maybe today with the international outrage wrt. the genocide in Gaza there is a more wiggle room. So maybe you have a point. In 2011 that freedom wasn’t there.
Extending that thought I think it’s feasible that without the pressure of NATO/US we may
actually have at least stayed neutral when it comes to the SMO or maybe even supported the SMO
based on our experience with the Nazis in WWII.
Based on our history it makes no sense at all to support the Nazis in Ukraine, so yes.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:44 utc | 59
Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 20:44 utc | 59
Takk. Sov godt:)
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 4 2024 20:56 utc | 60
@waynorinorway | Feb 4 2024 20:56 utc | 60
Takk i like måte, jeg kan trenge det 🙂
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 21:07 utc | 61
Israeli newspaper Haaretz is now reporting that an Israeli bank is going to block UNWRA’s bank account. The following is from Middleeasteye’s live feed, which so far has been accurate in their reporting. Israel authorities, BTW, have done a partial investigation and now say that they have only been able to confirm 6 so-called ‘Hamas terrorists’ working for UNWRA (not 12 as they originally claimed), but they still want UNWRA disbanded. Oh, and far-right Zionist asshole, Ben-Gvir, says Biden is insufficiently subservient to Israel and shouldn’t be calling for humanitarian aid to Gaza or sanctioning Israeli settlers. He backs Donald Trump for US president, saying, “If Trump was in power, the US conduct would be completely different.”
The blurb about UNWRA is posted in full below:
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Israeli newspaper Haaretz is reporting that an Israeli bank has notified UNRWA that it is blocking the agency’s bank account due to “tangible suspicions it is transferring funds to terror groups in Gaza”.
The bank, which was not named in the report, said it had received information of unusual activity including untraceable transfers in the UNRWA’s account, and issued multiple alerts.
Fifteen donor countries withdrew their funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) after a leaked Israeli intelligence assessment claimed a dozen of the agency’s staff were involved in the October 7 attacks.
Earlier today, UNRWA’s commissioner-general said his agency had not yet been shown any evidence to corroborate these claims.
British newspaper the Financial Times also reported that it had looked at the assessment and it did not provide evidence for the claims.
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Posted by: teri | Feb 4 2024 21:21 utc | 62
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 15:05 utc | 3
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One doesn’t need to burn a house to the ground to render it unlivable.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2024 21:29 utc | 63
Seems like the knives are being sharpened within the Israeli cabinet.
From Middle East Eye’s live stream:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hit out at National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.
The interview centred on US ties to Israel. (L.B.: Gvir stated he wants Jewish settlers to return to Gaza, and criticised US President Joe Biden for pressing for humanitarian aid deliveries to the enclave.)
“I don’t need help to know how to navigate our relationship with the US and the international community, while standing up for our national interests,” Netanyahu said.
“That doesn’t mean we don’t have disagreements, but, so far, we have managed to overcome them with determined and considered decisions,” he added.
No, Bibi, you don’t have “disagreements”. When in the midst of war members of the war cabinet start contesting publicly one another, this is not a disagreement, this is a power struggle for influence and/or political points.
This public discordance is good news and clearly shows things are not going “according to plan”.
When we see more knives out in the open, we’ll know the blame game for the defeat will have commenced.
Just like in Ukraine.
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 4 2024 21:29 utc | 64
teri@62…. fifteen donor countries aiding and abetting the Genocide of Gaza….top of the boycott list for them…..in law, the accomplice is just as guilty as the accused.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2024 21:40 utc | 65
I would like to know why Russia isn’t annihilating those oil thieves with air strikes?
Posted by: Englishman | Feb 4 2024 21:49 utc | 66
Lathe Biosas @ 64
I’d love to think your right about this, but i fear it’s more likly just another delaying tactic while the mass murder Genicide grinds relentless on. That distraction is to their advantage.
We’ve seen so much deception at this stage.
When do we get a ceasefire people are dying.
Cheers.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 4 2024 21:55 utc | 67
Posted by: Englishman | Feb 4 2024 21:49 utc | 65
I would like to know why Russia isn’t annihilating those oil thieves with air strikes?
Because it is deterred from doing so? That would be my guess.
Posted by: robin | Feb 4 2024 22:31 utc | 68
@28, nudge, no but similar. Most of the crew and performers were black. He’s also been to the White House with Prince. Before he died , that is.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Feb 4 2024 22:42 utc | 69
Half an hour gone sadly no one answerd my preveous important question, so i’l add to it.
What i see is the very same 2 entaties that could call for an imediate ceasefire… america and england
Arent doing so. What they are doing is waging war by now bombing a further 3 more large Middle Easten countrys. And threatening a 5th. When how willthey be stoped and by whom.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 4 2024 22:42 utc | 70
I’d love to think your right about this, but i fear it’s more likly just another delaying tactic while the mass murder Genicide grinds relentless on. That distraction is to their advantage.
We’ve seen so much deception at this stage.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 4 2024 21:55 utc | 66
Of course, could be so. Time will tell.
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 4 2024 22:44 utc | 71
Honzo, 34, hahaha, good one. No, not North Korea. He went to Russia, Turkey and lots of other places though.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Feb 4 2024 22:44 utc | 72
Browser @ 47, Norwegian @ 48:
The Norwegians committed to contribute over US$124 million to UNRWA over a period of four years in 2022 and they are standing by that commitment.
NORWAY ANNOUNCES US$ 124.5 MILLION FOUR-YEAR CONTRIBUTION TO UNRWA ON COMMISSIONER-GENERAL PHILIPPE LAZZARINI FIRST OFFICIAL MISSION TO OSLO
They can certainly afford to do so since the monies may be coming out of their Sovereign Wealth Fund so they cannot fall back on any excuses that the monies are needed for domestic economic needs.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 4 2024 22:56 utc | 74
malenkov | Feb 4 2024 16:31 utc | 16
*** I doubt Mr. Shapps regards Palestinians as people. (And yes, he’s Jewish.)***
Very seriously doubt that he regards most of the British public as “people” either.
Posted by: Cynic | Feb 4 2024 23:04 utc | 75
The is no equilibrium in this actual world.
IMO, as long as us-uk-zionists along with Australia and other of their dogs are able to circulate and do whatever they want, things won’t change that easily.
Syria is exhausted. They wrecked Iraq. Now they are in full war vs Iran.
The multipolar world they have been building must stand against them or else they’re keeping the shit going
Posted by: Animal | Feb 4 2024 23:05 utc | 76
Thanks Lathe @ 70
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Given that America considers it self thee only ruler of the world.
At preasent their is nothing and no one to stop them.
It’s that…. catch 22 again.
If were dammed if we dont stop them,
Is’nt it better to be dammed if we try and stop them. Like now. And just may be we suceed.
Better that than the world be the boiling frog in a pan.
Better late than never.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 4 2024 23:05 utc | 77
Scenes from the Islamic Resistance in Iraq targeting the American occupation base in the “Al-Omar oil field” in Syria.
Dated 4/2/2024Scenes from the Islamic Resistance in Iraq targeting the American occupation base in the “Al-Omar oil field” in Syria.
Dated 4/2/2024
https://t.me/PalestineResist/28327
Note these are the launch sites usa/uk say they are successfully bombing.
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 4 2024 23:18 utc | 79
Mark2 . Short answer no one will. 20 years of bombing in Afghanistan didn’t win them that war. Same with Vietnam, they can bomb away swatting mosquito’s. A boxer exhausts himself throwing punches to early in rounds. Sure there is human carnage behind every moment it’s happening but empires have to fall by them selves or with help. With nukes no one’s coming to invade , so it’s really down to usa uk citizens to force the change themselves if they want it faster. For me Brics dellarisation for the global south is the only way to slowly isolate and quarantine us uk
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 4 2024 23:27 utc | 80
Hankster @ 79
Sadly i think your right, but that road fills me with dread.
Imagine if Hitler had won the last world war.
Computer tec and AI renders the world public obsaliet.
Agenda 21 has arived.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 4 2024 23:35 utc | 81
@Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
“Anyone else curious why Norwegian state ‘cares’ about Palestine? I assume it is nothing to do w conscience.
I suspect they are understanding they got it completely wrong in Ukraine without wanting to admit it, so they try to compensate in Palestine.
Just a guess based on mentality.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2024 19:57 utc | 48
I also suspect that Norway is hedging its bets.
Anybody into Family History?
I had put a lot of data on My Heritage before I realised it is an Israeli outfit. Bought out by a San Francisco company since, but the operation on the ground continues unchanged. Curiously it does not appear on the BDS list we have been discussing. Perhaps somebody reading this can put that right. I will cancel my subscription and if they ask why then a single short word beginning with G will suffice.
Thanks also for the 729 barcode information, very useful. Now, what is the USA barcode?
Posted by: Walt | Feb 5 2024 0:21 utc | 83
Salaam,Phenix@9- it is “frustrating to watch children being killed”.We the honest people of the rest of the world need to continue doing our little bit,just by speaking,writing and letting neighbours, acquaintances,any one we encounter know of the genocide being committed by the Israelies,and just never waiver in our support for the Palestinians.Electionss are coming in many “democracies” bring it up to candidates,ask why do you support the slaughter of innocents? What is your position on international law,ICJ?How does voting for you benefit the Palestinian people? What guarantees can you give me in exchange for my vote for you or your party- because I support and stand with the Palestinian cause? If the response is not positive DONT VOTE.Encourage your family ,friends to do the same.
Posted by: 4q8 | Feb 5 2024 0:37 utc | 84
“…Very seriously doubt that he (Shapps) regards most of the British public as “people” either…”
Cynic | Feb 4 2024 23:04 utc | 74
Exactly what I was thinking and its a Tory thing- looking downwards as if at an inferior race.
It must have been a great moment when Lord Curzon, back from a visit to the trenches in the War, reported that chaps in the lower classes were just as white as he was. He knew because he happened to see some Tommies bathing.
It’s a perfect storm in Number 10 with gusts of Brahmin caste superiority from the east, stone age Zionism from the Pale via Brooklyn, and Tory ‘classism’, with a bit of Norman vs Celt mythology mixed in.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2024 0:53 utc | 85
Craig Murray has an important post today>
He looks at the ludicrous faked ‘evidence’ that Aussie supporters of Gaza were chanting “Gas the Jews” at a demo in Canberra.
He makes it clear that the video in question is as dodgy as one of those famous nine bob notes. And that this is obvious to a child. To everyone in fact but the media and their accomplices in the government.
It’s worth reading- the implications are extremely sinister. The ruling class clearly sees itself as being very close to its most ancient of desires: the complete censorship of all information and the proscription and punishment of any dissent. And never more than when that dissent is obviously and totally justified.
With Julian Assange due to be sold to the US any day now Murray’s column is frightening.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/02/quality-and-propaganda/
Equally sinister in a very similar way is the disgraceful course of the Public Enquiry into the death of Dawn Sturgess in Amesbury. A case obviously linked with the Skripal affair and already a new low for the British Legal system.
It turns out that everything in the enquiry has been arranged to prevent the emergence of anything close to the truth.
https://johnhelmer.net/
Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2024 1:05 utc | 86
Yes bevin the AJA Australian Jewish association, 2 settler fascist type guys that other Jewish organisations distance themselves from faked the edited video , made the fake text captions to say that what was being said. Yes there were rude things said like f the jews but not what they typed . .they then distributed the video they made to all the media along with their outage that was picked up globally. Like the beheaded babies, a lie goes around the world before truth has gotten out of bed.
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 5 2024 1:18 utc | 87
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 4 2024 19:23 utc | 46
We have no representation and no democracy. Our governments are totally corrupt. And when you think they cannot become any more corrupt, they surprise you with ever more blatant corruption.
<=I am not sure "corruption" is the correct label? More like kidnap, but Kidnap fails to express what we see happening? Everything about government has been made a secret.
Can someone place a better label on what has happened to our governments? Its the same in nearly all NATO nations.
Posted by: snake | Feb 5 2024 1:30 utc | 88
“Can someone place a better label on what has happened to our governments? Its the same in nearly all NATO nations.”
Usurpation.
Thomas
Posted by: Thomas | Feb 5 2024 1:39 utc | 89
It’s dog against dog now:
“Hamas’ Large dogs beat IDF canine soldiers in Gaza”
https://youtu.be/NIM1MtBcm6I?si=beoQoWUl7FdA5XT5
I had no idea Hamas was also using dogs in the fight against the IDF.
I wonder what breed?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 5 2024 2:00 utc | 90
Anyone else curious why Norwegian state ‘cares’ about Palestine? I assume it is nothing to do w conscience.
Posted by: Browser | Feb 4 2024 19:38 utc | 47
Hmm… let’s see: back Ukraine/sanctions, => become leading hydrocarbon supplier to EU…
talk nice about Palestine? Maybe get to help ‘develop’ their offshore oil and gas…
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 5 2024 2:13 utc | 91
For me Brics dellarisation for the global south is the only way to slowly isolate and quarantine us uk
Posted by: Hankster | Feb 4 2024 23:27 utc | 79
It’s not necessary to isolate USUK from the rest of the world to bring the empire down. All the feverish activity of resource wars and regime change for the last several decades is the result of the requirement of a capitalist economy to have major inputs from ‘outside’ the system- ie, Foreign resource extraction, labor costs forced down to convert resources into goods, and profit realization via exchange- ie, sales to new markets. If this system is contained in too small an area, the contradiction between the extraction of profit and the lack of ability to purchase the fruits of their own labor inevitably crashes the economy.
It appears that what the core USUK system needs is something on the order of 5% to 10% growth to keep from crashing. The US is achieving this at the expense of the UE, Germany in particular. What the Axis needs to do to bring down the empire is simply to limit USUK economic growth to 3%, or thereabouts. Given its access to EU and Latin America, this may be difficult to achieve, but the constant bleeding of unwinnable wars has its own destabilizing effect, because it shovels enormous profits into the MIC, without providing any relief to consumer price inflation. Rather, it stimulates more inflation, making achieving the required level of growth even harder.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 5 2024 2:28 utc | 92
Covert Sction Magazine has an “Exclusive Interview with a Survivor of the Gaza Ghetto” by Felix Abt
The magazine is well worth supporting.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2024/01/25/exclusive-interview-with-a-survivor-of-the-gaza-ghetto/?mc_cid=f672a03778&mc_eid=f5d74d7021
Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2024 2:35 utc | 93
It’s a perfect storm in Number 10 with gusts of Brahmin caste superiority from the east, stone age Zionism from the Pale via Brooklyn, and Tory ‘classism’, with a bit of Norman vs Celt mythology mixed in.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2024 0:53 utc | 84
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Great combination of the ‘riders of the Apocalypse.’
Brahmins have special privileges and not just the UK as a beneficiary. Some day, the US will stop this ‘white privilege’ nonsense.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 5 2024 2:46 utc | 95
Best ‘dog of war ‘, The Molossus ( mastiff type ) .Alexander the Great’s Mothers tribe , masters of .
Posted by: Paleologos | Feb 5 2024 3:46 utc | 96
Ilan Pappe on Israel: “We are witnessing the beginning of the end Israeli settler colonial project”
short – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB2_wgUd8Os
We’ll see.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 5 2024 4:42 utc | 97
We’ll see.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 5 2024 4:42 utc | 96
Like I’ve come to repeat as my morning mantra:
“Israel is dead. Stick a fork in it”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 5 2024 4:48 utc | 98
bevin @84
I thought that the Normans supplanted the Anglo-Saxons and the Danes. The Celts were, by that time marginalised to Cornwall and Wales. It was not until the time of Edward I, 200 years after the invasion, that Wales was conquered.
Posted by: AJ | Feb 5 2024 4:51 utc | 99
snake 87
Yes, voter algorithms. The secrecy of the electoral system which is designed to
Protect us from persecution is now used to hide who can be predicted safely as not having voted. Their non votes were harnvested and changed by Sir Peetake Lillet for BloJo who
the rounded up the most rabid Zionists on the planet to govern UK. Sir Killem Starver then rounded up the Labour supporters of Jeremy Corbyn who was expressly forbidden his victory by the Users of A.
If you had a magic digital button to open the votes , you would find 100 % electoral fraud. In the Queens religion of Zionism it’s taboo to complain.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 5 2024 5:02 utc | 100