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February 22, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-055

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My math isn’t adequate to understanding how these unconnected points can form the kinds of visible patterns we see at different scales, except that the ‘snowmen’ seem to have some correlation to series of primes- and I probably have that wrong.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:49 utc | 97
That’s all right, I got the coloring procedure a bit wrong too, just speaking from memory. Each pixel on your screen represents a little square in complex space and you iterate the center or some other point in each square.
Sometimes I think “some” fractals like Mandelbrot are an artifact of how we represent real numbers in computers.
I have a snowflake program too, but it gets a floating point exception if I iterate it more that 4-5 levels. I used to do a lot of work with map projections, turns your brain to mush after a while.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 23 2024 5:16 utc | 101

My math isn’t adequate to understanding how these unconnected points can form the kinds of visible patterns we see at different scales, except that the ‘snowmen’ seem to have some correlation to series of primes- and I probably have that wrong.
Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:49 utc | 97
That’s all right, I got the coloring procedure a bit wrong too.
Sometimes I think some fractals like Mandelbrot are an artifact of how we represent real numbers on computers.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 23 2024 5:22 utc | 102

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 4:26 utc | 94
If there were to be a world government (heaven forbid!) and this woman Vandana Shiva, once a quantum scientist, were to be our President, the world would be a far, far better place.
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I read this New Yorker profile of her, and it does seem that she ‘has a flair for incendiary analogies’…
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/25/seeds-of-doubt
You could make the case that it’s a bit of a hatchet job, but it’s an interesting read, and she does take extreme positions. As someone who is sympathetic to growing without (inorganic) fertilizers and pesticides (wouldn’t want to use glyphosate), I still think she could come across as less dogmatic and doctrinaire. Perhaps she thinks ‘the enemy’ (the GM lobby, the industrialized agriculturalists) warrants it, and they do the same from the other direction?
While it’s not impossible that a non-industrialized agriculture system could feed the world, it would have to be such a different world… and for sure, without the ‘Green Revolution’ (in the world as it actually is), it would be impossible to feed it…
Cheers, Ron

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:31 utc | 103

Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
China’s securities regulator pledges improved supervision standards, malpractice crackdown
The quote

BEIJING, Feb. 22 (Xinhua) — The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) on Thursday said that it will guide the Shanghai Stock Exchange, the Shenzhen Stock Exchange and the China Financial Futures Exchange to strengthen their standards of supervision for abnormal transactions, and that it will crack down on illegal activities such as market manipulation and insider trading in accordance with laws and regulations.
….
On Feb. 19, the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges issued separate statements that named Lingjun Investment, a major quant fund, as an entity that had disrupted orderly market trading. The exchanges also announced penalties for the company, including open censure and a restriction on trading for a stated period of three days.

In the US there is the toothless Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and I fully expect Western finance folks to get brought to task in China unlike the US so West can see good example of public finance regulation.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 5:45 utc | 104

Watched the official NASA “live feed” of the LM-1 Odysseus landing as it happened. Two hours of animated simulations, talking heads, and slick advertisements of each of the lander’s alleged virtues.
One of the very last features extolled by the hosts was the battery of video cameras that are on the vehicle’s exterior to record and broadcast the historic event. They described how one of the cameras is even inside a pod that’s ejected from the lander during its descent and lands independently while remaining pointed toward the lander so it can record from a distance the final minutes of the landing.
During the entire show, not a single video clip was shown of the lander’s approach or landing. Not even on any of the many screens that were visible and being monitored in Mission Control.
It’s now 7 hours later, the MSM is packed with victory laps for a successful operation, and still not a single video clip of the lander’s approach or touchdown seems available anywhere. And not a single photo of that action seems to be available either. The nearest I can find is one photo taken while the lander was still in orbit around the moon.
Seems odd for an event heralded as the first lunar soft landing by the US in a half century. Unless…

Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:11 utc | 105

Here’s the official video record of the whole lunar landing that doesn’t show any of the lunar landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg2ffigGcYM

Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:24 utc | 106

@Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:34 utc | 96
Let’s remember that the property bubble is being deflated, and therefore the tide is going out and exposing all the rocks of corruption. Lots of crooks that probably cant get out by plane (which would be a much less expensive and risky way of getting to the US) and therefore are taking the illegal route. Basically a bunch of crooks lying about the reality of their situation, and the Western press lapping it all up for propaganda.
Its not the 1980s when poor Chinese would desperately try to get into the US as illegals hidden in ships etc. Chinese can just fly to the US, as many, many millions do every year and then they fly back.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 6:36 utc | 107

OK last post before going to bed mystified. NASA’s official news feed still makes no mention of a successful soft landing: https://www.nasa.gov/news/all-news/ Is the PR crew wildly short-staffed, or would the humility of NASA’s management make an angel weep? Does the budget for this reboot fall short of the full Capricorn One treatment? Will I be able to sleep at all tonight?

Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:39 utc | 108

@Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 22:47 utc | 52

UWDude named that cycle or whatever it is but I forget the name now. When it comes to gravitational pull, other planets seem like minor factors yet he has a far better track record than the church of climatology.

Milanković cycles, after the Serbian astronomer Milutin Milanković.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 7:51 utc | 109

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:10 utc | 100
A rotting corpse attracts flies.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 110

Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:39 utc | 108
Will be interesting to keep an eye on that, but it does appear the empire of lies is business as usual.
Perhaps one day we will get to see the thing on the moon…. as a debris field.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 111

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 6:36 utc | 107
Lots of crooks that probably cant get out by plane (which would be a much less expensive and risky way of getting to the US) and therefore are taking the illegal route…
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But Roger, per the article these people are clearly at least ‘middle class’, because they are paying tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege of migrating illegally, including by plane to places where they can travel visa-free…
I think they can’t fly directly to the US because they can’t get a US visa… Some are no doubt corrupt and fleeing, but others may have different reasons?
Cheers,
Ron
PS I occasionally read your Substack and enjoy your articles

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:02 utc | 112

@Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 3:31 utc | 87

Then throw in axis tilt disruptions every 60,000 years or so (which is one explanation for why tropical vegetation remains are found in part of the Arctic Circle I believe) and….

The precession of Earth’s axis has a period of 25,772 years. It is caused by the other solar system bodies pull on the Earth’s equatorial bulge, the Earth is not a perfect sphere.
It is quite clear from study of megalithic structures still to be found (Egyptian pyramids included, but there are many others), that the ancient builders had an intense interest in celestial alignments in general and studied precession in particular, over thousands of years.
The equinoxes drift westward along the ecliptic at the rate of 50.4 arc seconds annually, i.e. it takes about 72 years for the equinoxes to drift 1 degree. Studying precession is a long term effort.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 110
LOL, a drive-by hit from you, Passerby!

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:46 utc | 114

@Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 111

Will be interesting to keep an eye on that, but it does appear the empire of lies is business as usual.
Perhaps one day we will get to see the thing on the moon…. as a debris field.

I watched a NASA live feed last night, expecting Apollo-style technical information, but got nothing. Nothing at all.
I am not doubting that the probe went to the Moon and attempted a landing, but unless we hear something I guess that tall thing simply toppled over and fell. The only info we got before I switched off was a claim of a “faint signal”, before they switched to a pre-recorded video of a NASA administrator (I forgot the name) telling empty platititudes about how great America is.
I will be looking to see if more information becomes available, but that was a truly pathetic transmission. I remember the Apollo era even if I was just a kid, it was inspirational, and this is the opposite.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:50 utc | 115

Not that it matters, but I never mentioned the milankovitch cycles, that was someone else.
I talked about sun surface temperature fluctuation.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 8:51 utc | 116

@Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:50 utc | 115
The claim now is that the landing was successful and somehow communication has been restored (?). I have not seen any images or details yet.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:59 utc | 117

It so easy to disrupt and deny just follow the rules of superior sophistry:
The Extension (Dana’s Law)
The Homonymy
Generalize Your Opponent’s Specific Statements
Conceal Your Game
False Propositions
Postulate What Has to Be Proved
Yield Admissions Through Questions
Make Your Opponent Angry
Questions in Detouring Order
Take Advantage of the Nay-Sayer
Generalize Admissions of Specific Cases
Choose Metaphors Favourable to Your Proposition
Agree to Reject the Counter-Proposition
Claim Victory Despite Defeat
Use Seemingly Absurd Propositions
Arguments Ad Hominem
Defense Through Subtle Distinction
Interrupt, Break, Divert the Dispute
Generalize the Matter, Then Argue Against it
Draw Conclusions Yourself
Meet Him With a Counter-Argument as Bad as His
Petitio principii
Make Him Exaggerate His Statement
State a False Syllogism
Find One Instance to the Contrary
Turn the Tables
Anger Indicates a Weak Point
Persuade the Audience, Not the Opponent
Diversion
Appeal to Authority Rather Than Reason
This Is Beyond Me
Put His Thesis into Some Odious Category
It Applies in Theory, but Not in Practice
Don’t Let Him Off the Hook
Will Is More Effective Than Insight
Bewilder Your Opponent by Mere Bombast
A Faulty Proof Refutes His Whole Position
Become Personal, Insulting, Rude (argumentum ad personam)
The one thing they will never ever discuss is the actual scientific evidence as already determined in context, and in time and in space. (smile)
Karl Rove and the US Republican party refined the list down in the early 2000s to: “we create our own reality and you can only look on trying to catch up, and when you do we move to create yet another new reality…”
Simple is as Simple does. (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:00 utc | 118

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 21:17 utc | 37
Persiflo, I think you may get a kick out of the work of Arthur M Young:
https://arthuryoung.com/
Cheers, Ron

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:06 utc | 119

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 2:33 utc | 78
The Scientific Method was specifically designed to get around Human Biases, entrenched Beliefs, logical Fallacies, and poor Thinking Skills.

Yes, but it does not replace them.
The dog and me are sitting on different sides of the aisle. He posts a lot; so do I. Barflies are made aware that from here on, I will stop counter-arguing to him on issues such as the above, even if the discrepancy is severe. I may do occassional exemptions.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 23 2024 9:08 utc | 120

Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 7:51 utc | 109
Thanks for the name of the mathematician. I had been able to dig up the name of that cycle after that post you linked. Milanković was certainly an extraordinary mathematician.
UWDude
I guess that’s why I did not find the name in skimming through your posts in the last thread…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 121

Another pointless story.
About two decades ago I was working on a project to make a green alternate power source, a bit like, and inspired by the Spanish Solar Updraft Tower.
Looking for some alternative power sources, I went on a engineering forum and asked some questions about the Coriolis effect.
Everybody replied that the coriolis effect, found in drains and toilets was actually caused by the flow of the faucet and toilet water, and that the effect was actually not strong enough to affect water.
I had an old, eccentric neighbor, who has very thinning long greasy hair, glasses, missing teeth, apartment full of scientific junk and conspiracy books.
I proudly told him what I had learned, and he just went into shock, and vehemently denied it, telling me that the coriolis effect is what makes water cyclone counter-clockwise down drains, and it is a strong effect. I told him the engineers of the internet disagreed.
Ok, whatever. We moved on to other topics. This story popped in my head because he had vhs tapes of moon experiments, and he would just watch them for hours, of craft orbiting the surface or something.
About two weeks later, he was on his porch, with a pair of two liters banded together at mouth end, and water in them, and doing this goofy laugh he would do.
I asked him what he was doing, and he had made a coriolis experiment. He told me I could try anything, that no matter what,the water would reverse and flow counter clockwise.
I tried everything, i would rev it up super clockwise, flip it over, and it would slosh and revert within seconds.and he was right. An actual physical experiment beat the “Acchtuallys” of the internet.
Online fight now, you can read all the achtuallys, and engineering departments swear that flow direction is dependent on initial direction of water flow and shape of sink.
If you dont believe all the achtuallys are wrong, get 2, 2 liter bottles, fill one about 80% full, stack them mouth to mouth and tape or seal together with a thick rubber seal. Do anything you want, and try to make the water drain from one bottle into the other clockwise.
(Or counter if you are in upside down land)

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122
Cool story, bro! Now where did I put those 2 bottles of Wild Turkey?
Cheers, Ron

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:31 utc | 123

Crumby source, BBC, replete with the usual handicapped tropes, but there could plausibly be some small truth to it.
https://t.me/africaintel/9126

💀🌍 Wagner in Africa: How the Russian mercenary group has rebranded
Russia is offering governments in Africa a “regime survival package” in exchange for access to strategically important natural resources, a major new report has found.
The multibillion dollar operations are now mostly being run as the Russian “Expeditionary Corps”, managed by the man accused of being behind the attempt to murder Sergei Skripal using the Novichok nerve agent on the streets of the UK – a charge Russia has denied.
Control was to be handed to Gen Andrey Averyanov, head of Unit 29155, a secretive operation specialising in targeting killings and destabilising foreign governments.
But it seems Gen Averyanov’s new business was not destabilising governments, but rather securing their future, as long as they paid by signing away their mineral rights.
In early September, accompanied by deputy Defence Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, Gen Averyanov began a tour of former Wagner operations in Africa.
They started in Libya, meeting warlord Gen Khalifa Haftar. Their next stop was Burkina Faso where they were greeted by 35-year-old coup leader Ibrahim Traoré.
After that, they landed in the Central African Republic, possibly the most well-established Wagner operation on the continent, before heading to Mali to meet the leaders of the junta there.
On a subsequent trip they also met General Salifou Modi, one of the military men who seized power in Niger last year.
Readouts of the various meetings demonstrate that the two men were reassuring Wagner’s partners on the continent that the demise of Prigozhin did not mean the end of his business deals.
Reports of the meeting with Capt Traoré of Burkina Faso confirmed cooperation would continue in “the military domain, including the training of Burkinabe officer cadets and officers at all levels, including pilots in Russia”.
In short, the death of Prigozhin did not mean the end for the junta’s relationship with Russia. In some ways, it would become deeper still.
The three West African states with close links to Wagner – Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso – have all experienced military takeovers in recent years. They have since announced their withdrawal from the regional bloc Ecowas, and the creation of their own “Alliance of Sahel States”.

Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 23 2024 9:32 utc | 124

The ‘ prediction ‘ is that temperature in the worst version 8.5 will be between +2.5 and +12 degrees in 2300 with the most probable +8 degrees C
At that stage the fossil (fuel) material is likely to be finished and before that time other (energy) methods will have to be used.
So +8C in the year 2300 is what the discussion ought to be about.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 23 2024 5:09 utc | 99

This is a good comment and a really good point. If I may add a few things?
RCP 8.5 assumes no mitigation of GHG gases and Land Use, which imo is the correct assumption to apply – until and unless real mitigation solutions are a reality.
The downside on this is the conservative nature of the IPCC cherry-picking /deciding of studies and models to use as inputs. It’s a committee. The committee keeps changing. Many great talented scientists quit working to to produce IPCC reports because of these extraneous constraints. That an no climate scientists ‘author’ or lead author gets paid to to do this work, and must get time off from their rel day job to do it.
The end result is that THE BEST of the BEST do not get to do this summary work at the IPCC for nigh on 20+ years now. It’s the opposite of the cream of the crop. IPCC is also a knee-jerk body and not a science led body. And it literally has no full time staff bar the few execs at the top and a few office staff. They have no real Budget either. It’s a TOOL for the UNFCCC COP systems which means it is a Political Tool not a scientific body of real scientists collaborating offering genuine advice. (yes many climate scientists will refute that statement – I don’t care, because the good quality ethical ones say the same things I do)
So …. take what it says with a grain of salt these days, including the work on Net Zero and tha +1.5C is achievable – it physically is not – that budget to blown to pieces and was the day they agree on it in Paris. It’s a ludicrous state of affairs. The crisis is far worse than anything the IPCC produces – and thousands of working climate scientists agree and say so. Just not often publicly.
That being said I believe the real forecasts are sitting at, with no mitigation or rational economic / social policy reforms, nearer +8C by 2200 (not 2300) plus major SLR of up to 12 meters see scientists like Hansen et al.
Looking more like +2C by 2040; +3.5C by 2120 and at least +5-6C by 2200 …. and possibly +8C (it depends)
But whatever things might appear possible in 2200 or in 2120 is irrelevant today. Objectively dealing with today’s reality and the obvious logical trends in 20-30 years is where the focus needs to be – that is the realm in which action can and should be taken Now to circa 2050 …. this is where the current COP agreements are not in touch with reality at all.
Most evidence based objective conclusions (are imo) being nothing is or will be done to address the unfolding much faster rapid warming and energy consumption or environmental resources agriculture degradation pushing humanity to the edge of survival with a looming 9 billion on the planet. Unsustainable in any world.
All the scientific evidence is there and available how bad it is, more or less what to do about it in the short term, and what the only rational actions long term are possible right now and the short term to take to at least minimise the damages and harm for the good of all humanity, ecosystems, and life on earth.
any discussions along the lines of ‘is it proven to be human caused warming’ do not rate any adult attention whatsoever, and must be ignored like any internet Troll or a drunk would be ignored and excluded from serious discussions of life on earth and the actions of Nations.
(sorry for all typos/sefl-corrections) Cheers LD

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:49 utc | 125

UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122
When I was flying, every day I would look at the four day forecast on the isobar charts for wind direction and wind strength. Highs spin one way and lows the other. I assume that is because in one the air at the center is going up and in the other the air is going down. In the northern hemisphere the directions are reversed. (Sheep always walk and graze into the wind so the flies are at their bum)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 10:12 utc | 126

“Voxukraine” has made a picture of the network of russian propaganda.
Perhaps someone put this on a web site as a clickable image, so clicking on a bloggers’ face gives you his blog?

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 10:37 utc | 127

(Sheep always walk and graze into the wind so the flies are at their bum)
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 10:12 utc | 126
I tell ya, this bar is just one epiphany after another! 🙂

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 11:23 utc | 128

“Is it any surprise that the national debt moved higher ?
When spending went from about 2.5 trillion a tear under Trump to 7 trillion a year under Biden.”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 22 2024 21:18 utc | 38
Echo if you are going to ramble incessantly at least try get your facts correct cause the above is wrong::
In 2020, the total federal budget ran much higher, at $7 trillion, because of all of the steps the government took to address the COVID-19 pandemic.(1)
In 2023 The federal government spends money on a variety of goods, programs, and services to support the American public and pay interest incurred from borrowing. In fiscal year (FY) 2023, the government spent $6.13 trillion, which was more than it collected (revenue), resulting in a deficit. (2)
1. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/#:~:text=Federal%20Budget%20101,-Facebook%20Twitter&text=The%20total%20federal%20budget%20of,address%20the%20COVID%2D19%20pandemic.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 23 2024 11:29 utc | 129

What is the unprecedented catastrophic landscape risk humanity faces currently? And what has to be done that is not already currently in place to resolve these issues? In this conversation social philosopher and co-founder of The Consilience Project, Daniel Schmachtenberger and futurist, regeneration architect, Thomas Ermacora, offer an orienting context that affects all human endeavour, and frame what grounded, post-cynical optimism might entail.
The Metacrisis: Making Sense in a Nonsensical World with Daniel Schmachtenberger & Thomas Ermacora
Crossing Multiple Planetary Boundaries and why today is so different than any other point in earth’s history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKI2C61jVE

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 11:32 utc | 130

“It all makes sense when you realize that none of the ‘western leaders’ that you see are actually leaders. They are mere employees of less visible powers. ”
Honzo 95
Exactly.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 23 2024 11:32 utc | 131

It’s now 13 hours since the IM-1 Odysseus lunar lander allegedly touched down successfully, yet still no images of the event or anything else since then on NASA’s live feed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlRNt47Fi8) and no mention of that story on NASA’s news feed (https://www.nasa.gov/news/all-news/).
Also the lander spent the entire previous day (Feb 21) in a tight orbit of the moon – only 90 km from the surface acccording to NASA – yet not a single image has been released showing any of the Apollo debris that would surely have rolled by repeatedly during all those hours before the lander initiated its landing sequence on Feb 22.
Perhaps the necessary CGI staff and equipment have been urgently re-tasked to realistically simulate Joe Biden as a sentient entity.

Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 12:47 utc | 132

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113
The axis flip theory is different, from a (controversial) 1958 book by Hopgood prefaced by Einstein. He amasses considerable circumstantial evidence but only hypothesizees (aka guesses) the causes. His favourite idea, if I recall (I read it decades ago), is that ice accumulates excessively on one of the poles, probably Antarctica, which causes an extreme wobble. Then the positive and negative go out of wack viz. the huge magnetic fields binding the Earth’s molten core to the Sun at which point the North and South pole regions physically flip. When this happens, the mantle, a thin floating layer on the surface containing all the terrain we live on, gets stretched as it passes over the wider equatorial regions and compacted as it enters the more constrained polar regions, which may cause mountain ranges to form or disappear – in a matter of hours not the millions of years hypothesized (guessed) by conventional theory. Also, it lags the inner core flip (which is almost instantaneous) which is why previous polar terrain can end up in tropical areas and vice versa.
It explains many anomalies, which also don’t recall, one of which is tropical fauna found deep under the North Pole (?) and another is artifacts found within coal seams supposedly hundreds of millions years old but probably just got ploughed under in the rapid flip-and-shift.
Bottom line: in terms of geological history and long-term climate what we know is dwarfed by what we don’t.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:03 utc | 133

Canadians are warned that this Israel-Hamas situation could inspire violent incidents, such as lone-wolf attacks, right here in Canada. I say, by the time they publicize this warning, it’s either mostly taken care of already, or they can no longer keep the lid on it. And the Canadian establishment is very good with lids. Or – it’s a warning.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10308061/threat-report-hamas-israel-attack-canada/
On that note — United Health, one of the largest healthcare technology companies in the US, is a target of a cyber attack. The Daily Mail headline:
“Tens of thousands of pharmacies across America unable to get prescriptions to patients after major cyberattack by ‘foreign nation’ – a day after cellphone services went down”
I note that this company is based in Minnesota, a state along the border with Canada. Maybe irrelevant, maybe not related to yesterday’s announcement of a seizure of illegal firearms, maybe not a distributor of narcotics either (that’s purely speculative on my part).
The Mail has a second Top Story from Minnesota:
“Former Minneapolis council candidate crows that he ‘doesn’t feel bad’ two police officers were killed during domestic callout shootout where paramedic was also gunned down”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115875/Minneapolis-shooting-city-council-Zach-Metzger.html
Maduro expresses outrage over suggestions that migrants from Venezuela are linked to armed gangs.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Venezuela-Denounces-US-Based-Smear-Campaign-Against-Migrants-20240221-0012.html
The Daily Mail also reports on violence involving migrants. “Boy, 17, is stabbed after violent migrant brawl erupts in Times Square… weeks after another group was filmed attacking NYPD officers”
“The male victim, thought to be from Nicaragua, was chased by a group of over a dozen people on Thursday evening before they caught him and stabbed him in the back, according to The New York Post.” … “The latest fights comes less than a month after a group of six migrants were arrested and charged with Robbery and Felony Assault following a vicious attack on NYPD officers in Times Square on January 27.
The attack occurred around 8.30 pm when officers attempted to disperse a disorderly group in front of 220 West 42 Street.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 23 2024 14:14 utc | 134

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113
“The axis flip theory is different, from a (controversial) 1958 book by Hopgood prefaced by Einstein. He amasses considerable circumstantial evidence but only hypothesizees (aka guesses) the causes. His favourite idea, if I recall (I read it decades ago), is that ice accumulates excessively on one of the poles, probably Antarctica, which causes an extreme wobble. Then the positive and negative go out of wack viz. the huge magnetic fields binding the Earth’s molten core to the Sun at which point the North and South pole regions physically flip. When this happens, the mantle, a thin floating layer on the surface containing all the terrain we live on, gets stretched as it passes over the wider equatorial regions and compacted as it enters the more constrained polar regions, which may cause mountain ranges to form or disappear – in a matter of hours not the millions of years hypothesized (guessed) by conventional theory. Also, it lags the inner core flip (which is almost instantaneous) which is why previous polar terrain can end up in tropical areas and vice versa.
It explains many anomalies, which also don’t recall, one of which is tropical fauna found deep under the North Pole (?) and another is artifacts found within coal seams supposedly hundreds of millions years old but probably just got ploughed under in the rapid flip-and-shift.
Bottom line: in terms of geological history and long-term climate what we know is dwarfed by what we don’t.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:03 utc | 134
Woke idiots cry and pull their hair out about infinitesimal difference of temps yet meteorites and pole flipping is the real menace to human civilization.
Excellent post-yes I believe the weight of the ice cause the wobble, but I am no physics expert:
“Geomagnetic pole reversal effects are natural and spectacular, but they could also destroy the world as we know it.
While that may sound dramatic, renowned science journalist Alanna Mitchell’s book “The Spinning Magnet” revealed that the next time Earth’s magnetic field flips, it could seriously damage the electric infrastructure that defines our modern civilization.
What is an Electromagnetic Field?
While magnetism is fascinating, it has also been historically misunderstood. According to Physics.org, Earth’s magnetic field exists because the planet’s solid iron core is surrounded by liquid metal.
According to NASA, the flow of liquid iron in Earth’s core creates electric currents that generate the magnetic field. This electromagnetic field provides an invisible shield that blocks solar and cosmic rays.
“Flip-flopping Poles
Earth’s magnetic poles have reversed many times in the past, but scientists can’t predict when the next reversal will occur. In other words, a magnetic field flip is coming, we just don’t know when.
To find evidence of the magnetic past, scientists examine ancient rocks. Certain minerals in lava flows are sensitive to Earth’s magnetic field as the lava cools; scientists analyze the rock samples to uncover a record of Earth’s magnetic field, according to National Geographic.
Scientific American noted that in the past 200 million years, reversals have taken place approximately every half-million years. The last reversal happened around 780,000 years ago, so we’re due for a flip.” (1)
1. https://now.northropgrumman.com/will-geomagnetic-reversal-effects-cause-a-worldwide-blackout

Posted by: canuck | Feb 23 2024 14:26 utc | 135

@24
David Traga sua discussão sobre Ideologia para este tópico.
Posted by: Soviético | Feb 22 2024 21:10 utc | 36
“Bring your discussion of Ideology to this topic.”
Sure Soviético, that seems correct given the cross cutting nature of ideology.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 14:39 utc | 136

The attack occurred around 8.30 pm when officers attempted to disperse a disorderly group in front of 220 West 42 Street.”
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 23 2024 14:14 utc | 135
…………………………
Cyber attacks…rampant violence…and so the Dragon year begins…

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:40 utc | 137

Gas consumption is Europe is down 20% – study

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 23 2024 14:52 utc | 138

So called ‘westerners’,
Beware as the whole world is convulsing in revulsion on you and your genociding politics of plunder, latest being killing the civilians of Ghaza in order to plunder their resources. To enable greater Israel to supply you when you are whithering and dying, and killing your own populations.
On these threads there are many false posters directly working for this agenda of zion:
– false budhist
– false pious housewife
– false muslim
They are easily indetifiedable, and they are being traced.
The truth is one and very simple:
Do not kill.

Posted by: stranger | Feb 23 2024 14:52 utc | 139

“Your dissing of The Systems View of Life w/o even seeing what it is sounds a bit hubristic to me.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 2:13 utc | 73
This? Cambridge University Press
978-1-107-01136-6 —
The Systems View of Life
Fritjof Capra , Pier Luigi Luisi Frontmatter
“Do you really think that the Cosmos can be defined/constrained by the human language of math?”
If I did I would be getting the order of flow reversed wouldn’t I? Mathematics symbolically describes the cosmos and its constraints; it in no way defines or constraints anything. That would be physics, it’s laws as opposed to the science itself.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 14:59 utc | 140

https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/opinion/inside-mayor-adams-migrant-debit-card-boondoggle-no-bid-bank-gets-50-million-border-crossers-up-to-10000-each/
………………….
And so it goes…this is organized from within…

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:10 utc | 141

Systems View of Life preface extract:
“Over the past thirty years it has become clear that a full understanding of these issues requires nothing less than a radically new conception of life. And indeed, such a new understanding of life is now emerging.
At the forefront of contemporary science, we no longer see the universe as a machine composed of elementary building blocks. We have discovered that the material world, ultimately, is a network of inseparable patterns of relationships; that the planet as a whole is a living, self-regulating system.
The view of the human body as a machine and of the mind as a separate entity is being replaced by one that sees not only the brain, but also the immune system, the bodily tissues, and even each cell as a living, cognitive system.
Evolution is no longer seen as a competitive struggle for existence, but rather as a cooperative dance in which creativity and the constant emergence of novelty are the driving forces. And with the new emphasis on complexity, networks, and patterns of organization, a new science of qualities is slowly emerging.”

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:18 utc | 142

@Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:02 utc | 112
These people could fly visa free to many countries where they could live very well. So obvious that they are scared of getting caught by the authorities at the airport. They are most definitely more than Chinese “middle class”, more upper-middle or upper if they can afford to pay multiple illegal agents to smuggle them across borders.
Attempting to subvert the state is also a crime in all countries, so what else would they be other than criminals? To be completely expected with the Chinese property market implosion and the ongoing Party-state crackdown on corruption.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 15:24 utc | 143

@Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:03 utc | 134

The axis flip theory is different

For the record, I have suggested no such thing.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 15:31 utc | 144

@canuck | Feb 23 2024 14:26 utc | 136

Scientific American noted that in the past 200 million years, reversals have taken place approximately every half-million years. The last reversal happened around 780,000 years ago, so we’re due for a flip.”

Be sure not to confuse magnetic poles with geographic poles.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 15:34 utc | 145

Lol. psychohistorian? I’m now pretty sure that your earlier question regarding mathematics ability to describe the universe was facetious. Although I can’t tell if you believe the answer is no. In my opinion the answer is indeed no; no current mathematics is not up to the task.
We will need new mathematics reflective of systems thinking which is more reflective of the actual nature of the universe. For example the ability to smoothly handle infinities and unknown dimensional variables.
Thank you for the link. Although I have an understanding of the terms you are using even my calculus is very rudimentary. I’m basically learning the minimum required for neural network projects and that is probably unwise. My time is limited. In short I spend a lot of my time climbing that first hill of Mount stupid.
So if we can consider the systems View a scientific View can we also consider it a methodology? Further, to what degree does it constitute either a philosophy, ideology or both. These things are inseparable, and the systems philosophy says as much.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:37 utc | 146

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:31 utc | 103
Well, about Vandana Shiva, she has been an activist leader for decades resisting the chemical industries destruction of her country and has written over 20 books on the subject. I very much doubt the NYT (which never read any more) would do her justice.
But it has been proven time and again – and she is a world leader pioneering this sort of knowledge – that industrial farming is not the solution, rather the problem. That you believe otherwise is quite understandable given how we have all been indoctrinated by corporate culture the past century. Be that as it may, it still remains a fact that most of the world’s eight billion are fed by small farms not Big Ag contrary to the latter’s self-promoting propaganda to the contrary. That also she has researched exhaustively.
I read that Russia went all organic a while ago; no idea if true, but if so it was a wise move.
Most people think organics are a yuppy way of keeping chemicals out of your apples and carrots; that is a small part of it. The main point about (true) organic is that it involves maintaining healthy, living soil whereas BigAg kills it and uses corporate-supplied inputs to compensate whilst garnering income and monopolistic control (whilst driving tens of thousands of small farmers in India to suicide each year as the costs don’t match yield values). Living soil is incredibly abundant and self-regenerating when properly managed. That is the key.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:38 utc | 147

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 15:31 utc | 145
@Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:03 utc | 134
The axis flip theory is different
For the record, I have suggested no such thing.

I did. Then you replied about normal gyrations over time so I clarified that I was referring to something else. Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:41 utc | 148

>>> Hot Mossad viral infections are waiting for you on —– https://shorturl.hasAvirus
Posted by: Arletta | Feb 23 2024 12:53 utc | 133

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:43 utc | 149

Also the lander spent the entire previous day (Feb 21) in a tight orbit of the moon – only 90 km from the surface acccording to NASA – yet not a single image has been released showing any of the Apollo debris that would surely have rolled by repeatedly during all those hours before the lander initiated its landing sequence on Feb 22.
Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 12:47 utc | 132

The Apollo lander scooted around quite a bit, appearing in the photos in numerous places relative to the (nicely fabricated) background scenery. Maybe its leftovers can run and hide too.
I also like how the international space station astronauts, the 5% of the time that they’re there, will never under any circumstances take their camera and point it out of the window to show a view of earth. If I was there, I’d delight people all the time with nice videos of the planet.
But then people would wonder why they don’t show the view the 95% of the time they’re not up there and are just jiggling around with lots of hair gel to make their hair stand up, or playing with some CG object floating in the air. My favourite was the one where there’s three extremely embarrassed looking guys talking for a few minutes and then demonstrating that they’re in space by spinning around some stupid pivot rail attached to their asses. One got caught in something and had to fumble himself back into place, after which they looked even more embarrassed.

Posted by: Michael A | Feb 23 2024 15:43 utc | 150

@Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:49 utc | 125
Very well, and sadly put. Society is stuck between the soft deniers (the IPCC highly-politicized and very conservative process) and the hard deniers. Dimitrov, who is an academic who took an active part in a number of IPCC COP meetings, wrote an excellent paper about the COP and other performative UN environment institutions; Empty Institutions in Global Environmental
Politics
.
Then in addition we have the peak oilers who have been saying for at least a decade and a half that there are not enough fossil fuels to cause catastrophic climate change, against all the evidence with respect to coal and gas (the latter worse than coal given fugitive methane emissions) and utterly ignorant of climate positive feedbacks.
It seems that humanity, and the elite that rule humanity, will do anything but combat climate change and will instead use the gift of human intelligence to construct fairy stories (eco-modernism, climate change isn’t happening/is only natural, not enough fossil fuels to drive the climate over the edge …) and profiteering short-term stopgaps (solar radiation management, digging up, crushing and spreading of colossal amounts of igneous rocks to accelerate rock weathering, the carbon capture boondoggle etc.).
Cassandra may have been accurate about the future (which she was) but was fated not to ever be believed. A depressing place to be. Many people mistake the Cassandra as being a “doomer” or something when in fact she was an accurate prophet. Seems that we are both Cassandras.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 15:51 utc | 151

“The truth is one and very simple:
Do not kill.”
Posted by: stranger | Feb 23 2024 14:52 utc | 140
I’m not sure I understand your point of view.
It seems you’re asking people to die and or Embrace their slavery as a religious principle. Or a moral one.
I am unaware of any way to stop fascism short of matching its violence. What do you suggest?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:51 utc | 152

Do we suppose Armenia did this because otherwise France (and, one could postulate, perhaps other French regions) would become de facto member(a) of the CSTO? Per TASS:
Putin did not talk with Pashinyan about Armenia’s CSTO membership — Kemlin
https://tass.com/politics/1750743
“Peskov noted that in this case it is very important to understand the details. “Let’s hope that our Armenian friends will explain everything to us,” he added.
Earlier, Prime Minister of the Republic Nikol Pashinyan said that the country had suspended its participation in the CSTO.”
Co-operation with French forces has far-reaching plans — Armenian Defence Minister
https://tass.com/world/1750833
“ “Bilateral military cooperation has been based on precise planning beginning this year and it is expanding in more than a dozen areas with ambitious goals. Our cooperation program encompasses nearly every aspect of the armed forces. The complete advisory support for defense reforms and military education is particularly important,” he said at a joint press conference with his French counterpart Sebastien Lecornu.”
You can get poutine in Yerevan, you know.
https://www.poutine.am/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 23 2024 16:01 utc | 153

@ UWDude
Re Confuscist conception of good and evil in ~ 550 BCE
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The problem of evil in the Neo-Confucian context: Wang Yangming’s view on evil
Wang Yangming believes that human nature is entirely good. A question naturally arises: where is evil from? It has been argued that Wang’s idealism gives rise to the problem of evil. I first argue that the difficulty for Wang to have a coherent account of evil can be removed when his idealism is understood in a narrow sense. Second, I offer an account of Wang’s view on evil in three steps. First, I argue that evil comes from the interaction between humans and the external world according to Wang. Second, I show that given Wang’s account of human nature with three aspects, there is no contradiction between Wang’s claim that human nature is the same in everyone and Wang’s claim about differences in our natural endowment which affect our moral practice. Third, I argue that Wang’s doctrine of non-distinction of good and evil in the original substance of human nature is uniquely Confucian.
10. It is controversial over whether Mencius’ account of human nature is exclusive or inclusive. The exclusive interpretation is that for Mencius, human nature is solely constituted by moral sentiments. The inclusive view is that for Mencius, human nature is constituted by both moral sentiments and other natural desires and appetites. For me, the decisive textual support for the inclusive interpretation is Mencius 7B24. In 7B24, both appetites and moral tendencies are matters of human nature and are mandated (by nature/Heaven), but the gentleman refers to the former as mandated rather than ‘human nature’ and refers to the later as human nature rather than ‘mandated’. To refer to appetites and moral tendencies differently is to make a distinction between them and does not imply that appetites are not parts of human nature.
11. Chan translates ‘qi’ in IFPL as ‘physical nature’ or ‘material force’. Both translations well fit Wang’s text. Wang Yangming does not make a fundamental distinction between principle (Li) and material force (Qi).
12. I translated 性之质 to ‘cognitive basics’ rather than ‘physical nature’ as Chan did. 质 refers to intelligence, wisdom, and insights of human nature in the text. Physical nature (气) is the same as human nature, but 质 is only one aspect of human nature, according to Wang Yangming. So, the translation ‘cognitive basics’ fits the text better than ‘physical nature’.
13. ‘Lose it’ means the mind is stirred by desires or feelings and thus principle or innate knowledge is obscured by desires or feelings.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09552367.2020.1846846
Asian Philosophy
An International Journal of the Philosophical Traditions of the East
Volume 30, 2020 – Issue 4
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Sun Tzu was born in 544 BCE, during the late Spring and Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty (722-481 BCE).
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Chronology of Dynastic China
The following is a brief chronology of Dynastic China, adapted from Xiaoneng Yang’s “New Perspectives on China’s Past: Chinese Archaeology in the Twentieth Century” (Yale University Press, 2004).
Bronze Age Dynasties
* Xia (2070–1600 BCE)
* Erlitou (1900–1500 BCE)
* Shang (1600–1046 BCE)
* Zhou (1046–256 BCE)
Early Imperial Period
* Qin (221–207 BCE)
* Han (206 BCE–8 CE)
* Xin (8–23 CE)
* Three Kingdoms (200–280)
* Six Dynasties (222–589)
* Southern and Northern Dynasties (586–589)
Late Imperial Period
* Sui (581–618 CE)
* Tang (618–907)
* Five Dynasties (907–960)
* Ten Kingdoms (902–979)
* Song (960–1279)
* Yuan (1271–1568)
* Ming (1568–1644)
* Qing (1641–1911)
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Confucius is not the only prominent thinker of the ancient Chinese philosophy of Confucianism.
Mengzi (also known as Mencius, 372 – 289 BCE) and Xunzi (310 – 238 BCE) are the two other great Confucian thinkers from the ancient period.
And, while they are both rightly recognized as major Confucians, Mengzi and Xunzi actually fundamentally disagreed on a rather important issue: human nature.
In a key passage from the Mengzi (a collection of dialogues featuring the great Confucian philosopher), Mengzi identifies four such sprouts, which are aligned to the key Confucian virtues:
1. The sprout of ren (commonly translated as benevolence or humaneness, involving having a heart sensitive to the suffering of others)
2. The sprout of righteousness (having a heart that feels shame or disdain in certain situations)
3. The sprout of ritual proprietary (having a heart that feels courtesy or deference)
4. The sprout of wisdom (having a heart that feels approval and disapproval and has a sense of right and wrong
Mengzi says that “a person having these four sprouts is like their having four limbs,” continuing:
Having these four sprouts within oneself, if one knows to fill them all out, it will be like a fire starting up or a spring breaking through! If one can merely fill them all out, they will be sufficient to care for all within the Four Seas. If one merely fails to fill them out, they will be insufficient to serve one’s parents.
The ‘sprouts’ for goodness, then, are innate. As long as we are nurtured in healthy environments, Mengzi thinks, we are all capable of growing our sprouts into full-blown virtues.
Xunzi says: Mengzi is wrong
Xunzi calls out Mengzi directly in an essay rather candidly titled Human Nature is Bad, which features in Xunzi: The Complete Text. Xunzi writes:
Mengzi says: When people engage in learning, this manifests the goodness of their nature. I say: This is not so. This is a case of not attaining knowledge of people’s nature and of not inspecting clearly the division between people’s nature and their deliberate efforts.
For Xunzi, people have good moral characters because they have worked at them through their deliberate efforts.
Human nature is actually innately bad, Xunzi elaborates:
People’s nature is such that they are born with a fondness for profit in them. If they follow along with this, then struggle and contention will arise, and yielding and deference will perish therein. They are born with feelings of hate and dislike in them. If they follow along with these, then cruelty and villainy will arise, and loyalty and trustworthiness will perish therein. They are born with desires of the eyes and ears, a fondness for beautiful sights and sounds. If they follow along with these, then lasciviousness and chaos will arise, and ritual and righteousness, proper form and order, will perish therein.
For Xunzi, we have a love of profit and susceptibility to sensory desire that, if left unchecked, will lead us into personal suffering — and society into disarray.
…on Xunzi’s view we also have an aptitude for intelligent, intentional action, and so by following the wisdom of the sages (the wisest among us), we can transform our innately bad natures into something good.
https://philosophybreak.com/articles/mengzi-xunzi-on-human-nature-are-we-good-or-evil/

Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 154

Correction — blockquoting lost during time out. Sorry.

Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:19 utc | 155

@Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:38 utc | 148
There was a 2008 UN report (published as a 2009 book) on this that was quickly memory-holed that condemned industrial agriculture and stated that the focus must be on multi-crop (relatively) smaller holdings that are much more efficient per area of land and much less problematic for the environment. You can download a copy of it here.
Each stage of the food business is an oligopoly dominated by a few companies that act also as a monopsony to extract value from the producer of the food (and monopolize farm inputs) and to extract value from the consumers of the food, while pushing food-like products. A great report on this “Food Barons 2022” at https://www.etcgroup.org/files/files/food-barons-2022-full_sectors-final_16_sept.pdf
Even Forbes reported on the incredible ongoing concentration of the food business into tight oligopolies, and this was 12 years ago:

So, how much choice do we really have? Not much, say the professors in a charged editorial on CSRwire’s blog Talkback. For example:
Just five companies account for almost half of supermarket food sales in the United States. And what about the food those companies offer us? Let’s take meat. A meal is not a proper meal without it, at least for 97 out of 100 Americans.
Just four companies provide us with 79 percent of our beef, 65 percent of our pork, and 57 percent of our poultry.
So, no matter what kind of meat we have for dinner, most likely it comes from the same handful of companies: Tyson, JBS, Cargill, Smithfield. You can never decide which bacon to bring home? Armour, Eckrich, Farmland, Gwaltney, John Morrell, Smithfield – all owned by Smithfield.
So, market power is consolidated in the hands of a few multinational corporations. What does this mean for the food we eat and the people who produce it? They explain:
Control of our food supply has been wrenched from independent farmers and ranchers in the corporate boardrooms of agribusiness giants. Since 1980, four out of 10 farmers who raise cattle and nine out of 10 who raise hogs have gone out of business.Under this Darwinian survival of the fittest model, control of most production is now in the hands of large corporations.
But farmers still raise cows, and pigs, and chickens, right? Yes they do, say the professors, who recently also co-authored Slaughterhouse Blues: The Meat and Poultry Industry of North America, but “most of them don’t really own the animals they raise. Virtually all the chickens sold in the United States are grown under production contracts to a handful of companies, who own the birds from egg to supermarket.”

Further, “Tyson Foods, the largest U.S. poultry company, contracts with about 6,000 of what it calls family farmers to raise its chickens. They are expected to grow birds to slaughter weight under strict company guidelines as quickly and as cheaply as possible. If Tyson is not satisfied, it may cancel their contracts with little notice and even less recourse, leaving them under a mountain of debt for their otherwise useless chicken houses.”
And: “Nine out of 10 hogs are owned directly by or raised under contract to companies like Smithfield or Tyson. Beef is poised to follow in the footsteps of poultry and pork: more than half of the cattle now slaughtered in the United States are owned directly by corporations or raised under contract. And the companies that bring us our burgers, pork chops, and wings are very often one and the same.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2012/08/06/choice-at-the-supermarket-is-our-food-system-the-perfect-oligopoly/?sh=1ad3e419334e
The growers of the food have been turned into tightly controlled precarious businesses open to the whims of the monopsony, just like suppliers to Walmart. And what us consumers get is shitified food, or “food-like substances” including of course the ubiquitous meat pumped up with extra water and farmed fish full of diseases and contaminants (don’t ever touch Norwegian farmed fish!). Much of the recent food inflation is reflected in greatly increased profits at many of these companies. i.e. inflation WAS heavily due to increased monopolistic profiteering.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 16:29 utc | 156

Bad commercial real estate loans put strain on banking system

According to reporting by the Financial Times, average loss reserves held by big banks including JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Morgan Stanley have dropped to 90 cents for every dollar of commercial real estate debt 30 days late or more. That’s down from $1.60, according to bank filings to the FDIC.

Small and regional banks still have enough reserves to cover their bad debt, but the situation is deteriorating quickly. Overall, U.S. banks hold $1.40 in reserve for every dollar of bad commercial real estate debt, dropping from $2.20 just one year ago. That’s the lowest reserve level in seven years.

And we are only at the start of the delinquency and default process, as problems really manifest as loans have to be refinanced or as property owners run out of cash to make the payments or decide to simply dump the problem on the bank by walking away (as many corporations tend to do, they feel no obligation to keep paying property loans where liability can be localized to a ring-fenced subsidiary or a loan that they can get out of through pre-packaged corporate bankruptcy).

According to the Mortgage Bankers Association, around $1.2 trillion of commercial real estate debt in the United States will mature over the next two years. Zooming further out, $2.56 trillion in commercial real estate loans will mature over the next five years, with $1.4 trillion held by banks, according to real estate data provider Trepp.
With rates rising and credit conditions tightening, many loans may face an uphill battle as refinancing becomes more costly, especially if banks and other lenders look to reduce their CRE exposure as we saw happen during previous recessionary cycles. This could lead to lower property values and larger losses for lenders.
Reuters warned about this situation last fall, reporting, “Weak demand for offices could trigger a wave of borrowers to default on their loans and put pressure on banks and other lenders, which are hoping to avoid selling loans at significant discounts.”

This headache, plus the car loan, credit card and soon to be home loan headaches will be with us for years. But heh, NVDA hit a new high! Get ready for years of massively enhanced bank loan loss provisions and write-offs. The government will be coming to your pocket to bail these schmucks out from their own recklessness once again. There’s always that “bail-in” provision backstop where some of your deposits suddenly become worthless shares in the bank!

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 16:48 utc | 157

Recent survey of China’s satellite ISR capabilities, and other things ==> https://youtu.be/1bnl0FFaUgc

Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2024 17:06 utc | 158

“…an interesting article in Al Jazeera about Chinese migration to the US…”
There’s a darkhorse podcast – maybe in January – that gets into this. There are specific camps in the gap for chinese incoming. Different routes for them. Mostly military age young men.

Posted by: oracle | Feb 23 2024 17:16 utc | 159

“…an interesting article in Al Jazeera about Chinese migration to the US…”
There’s a darkhorse podcast – maybe in January – that gets into this. There are specific camps in the gap for chinese incoming. Different routes for them. Mostly military age young men.

Posted by: oracle | Feb 23 2024 17:16 utc | 160

Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:13 utc | 91
*** Voters, dumb as a bag of spanners.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Feb 22 2024 21:39 utc | 39
Sorry, American voters are dumb as a box of rocks. You must be thinking of British voters, we don’t even know what a spanner is over here.***
Spanners or monkey-wrenches?
Millions of British voters are still — despite decades of fact to the contrary — convinced that there is a huge difference between 3/4 inch and 19mm.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 17:38 utc | 161

How PBS used to report on things around the world, still very much from an Imperialist position and equating “communist geurillas” to “right-wing army groups” with the population “caught in the middle” (rather than being the natural allies of he geurillas) but actually properly identifying who was doing the vast majority of the killing (the military). Just imagine if the same type of reporting was being done about Ukraine and Occupied Palestine, it was never perfect but at least this was a lot closer to the truth. How far US media has fallen into becoming the US versions of Pravda and Izvestia, and so nice to watch a report that isn’t suffering from ADHD.
MacNeil/Lehrer Report – October 25, 1982 – Guatemala. Of course the “democrat” Rioss Montt was actually carrying out the bloodiest period of army subjugation. He was actually looking to the US evangelical community to gain support, just like the Zionist regime in Occupied Palestine. Justice takes a long time to arrive for such bastards: “In 2013, a court sentenced Ríos Montt to 80 years in prison for genocide and crimes against humanity, but the Constitutional Court quashed that sentence, and his retrial was never completed” (from Wikipedia) and even then corrupt elite judges provide a get out of jail free card.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 18:01 utc | 162

A couple of Friday evening signing off comments that belong here.
What happened to Wagner in Africa? And Yes it was the Perfidious Brits who actually DID NS2 – being the Royal Navy’s back yard as it were and got Lizzy the Queen Killer Dumbest blonde PM Trussed over excited wet knickers orgasmic “IT’S DONE!!” Yes yes yes WhatsApp to the WH!
‘ 🇷🇺💀🌍 Wagner in Africa: How the Russian mercenary group has rebranded
Russia is offering governments in Africa a “regime survival package” in exchange for access to strategically important natural resources, a major new report has found.
The multibillion dollar operations are now mostly being run as the Russian “Expeditionary Corps”, managed by the man accused of being behind the attempt to murder Sergei Skripal using the Novichok nerve agent on the streets of the UK – a charge Russia has denied.
Control was to be handed to Gen Andrey Averyanov, head of Unit 29155, a secretive operation specialising in targeting killings and destabilising foreign governments.
But it seems Gen Averyanov’s new business was not destabilising governments, but rather securing their future, as long as they paid by signing away their mineral rights.
In early September, accompanied by deputy Defence Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, Gen Averyanov began a tour of former Wagner operations in Africa.
They started in Libya, meeting warlord Gen Khalifa Haftar. Their next stop was Burkina Faso where they were greeted by 35-year-old coup leader Ibrahim Traoré.
After that, they landed in the Central African Republic, possibly the most well-established Wagner operation on the continent, before heading to Mali to meet the leaders of the junta there.
On a subsequent trip they also met General Salifou Modi, one of the military men who seized power in Niger last year.
Readouts of the various meetings demonstrate that the two men were reassuring Wagner’s partners on the continent that the demise of Prigozhin did not mean the end of his business deals.
Reports of the meeting with Capt Traoré of Burkina Faso confirmed cooperation would continue in “the military domain, including the training of Burkinabe officer cadets and officers at all levels, including pilots in Russia”.
In short, the death of Prigozhin did not mean the end for the junta’s relationship with Russia. In some ways, it would become deeper still.
The three West African states with close links to Wagner – Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso – have all experienced military takeovers in recent years. They have since announced their withdrawal from the regional bloc Ecowas, and the creation of their own “Alliance of Sahel States”.
🔗 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68322230
https://t.me/africaintel/9126

An analytical report by the independent online publication Nordic Times concluded that “members of the British government” during the period when Liz Truss was Prime Minister were the most likely organizers of the bombing of the Nord Stream gas pipelines. According to this version, the explosion was carried out by a British special forces team operating from the British nuclear submarine HMS Ambush.
@Slavyangrad | Wiggims ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 18:03 utc | 163

“what does Biden vs Trump portend? Nothing good.
Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 22 2024 16:31 utc | 9”
More war. More poverty and homelessness. More privileges for the super-rich. Biden might throw a few crumbs to the remaining upper middle class in the form of gay marriage laws or promothing lady boy basketball. Trump might throw a few crumbs to the religious right by harassing other religions.

Posted by: lester | Feb 23 2024 18:17 utc | 164

“DEMS PANIC Over Michigan Voter Israel REVOLT”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC4q9ja0P78
We saw a similar story in 2016. The Democrats thought they could count on the “workers”/”working class” to elect Hillary Clinton to become president, under the slogan “They have no where else to go”. But these voters did “go somewhere else”. They voted in droves for Bernie Sanders who turned out to be a much larger danger for Hillary Clinton than anticipated. When the Democrats succesfully “killed” Sanders (politically), they thought the working class would vote in droves for clinton but instead A LOT OF those people voted for Trump.

Posted by: WMG | Feb 23 2024 18:42 utc | 165

….a new science of qualities is slowly emerging.”
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:18 utc | 143
………………….
Qualities are non-material experiential quanta.
We live within an experiential continuum self-generating qualia like the perception of three dimensional space in which appear forms etc
Fish, for example, are the eyes of the ocean seeing itself from myriad apparently different locations within the same all-pervasive field of living wakefulness.
Insects and birds help sing this experiential dimension into being, for that is what they do.
Unfortunately too many humans like to turn this paradise into a death-fest of Hell, for that is what hell beings do.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 18:44 utc | 166

Posted by: oracle | Feb 23 2024 17:16 utc | 160
“…an interesting article in Al Jazeera about Chinese migration to the US…”
There’s a darkhorse podcast – maybe in January – that gets into this. There are specific camps in the gap for chinese incoming. Different routes for them. Mostly military age young men.

I read a recent estimate of over 30,000 military aged Chinese illegals now in California alone. They are sponsored, many with debit cards refilled monthly, not economic migrants as most naively imagine.
Hmm…the Chinese were there long before Columbus; maybe they are soon going to take it back?! I doubt it, at least not for a few more decades, but for sure something is up. I suspect: a blatantly stolen election which Trump loses; then both real and orchestrated riots possibly involving US military versus ‘patriot’ militias, etc. during which many of these tens of thousands of military aged males will play a part. Large protests will be met with ruthless suppression, arrests, crack-downs etc. Perhaps these illegals will get citizenship in return for joining the military which then cracks down on the hapless citizenry. Also all are already being given ID’s so they can vote. It comes down to about 15 counties in seven swing states, or thereabouts, to swing an election. Just like in 2020. So they have a one party system in place already now so soon can officially mount another system.
Because seems to me that very soon the pretense that the nation is a bona fide republic will be jettisoned as long past its due date. Quite possibly during this Wood Dragon year.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 19:00 utc | 167

Reuters is documenting the hypocrisy of empire with the following
U.S. President Joe Biden speaks to the media, following his meeting with late Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s widow and daughter in San Francisco, California, U.S., February 22, 2024.
So, in the last US (s)election wasn’t there a big deal made of trying to show ways that Russia influenced the process. Isn’t this meeting with Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s widow trying to influence the coming election in Russia?
Its ok if empire tries openly to influence elections but none can peak behind the curtain in America and say anything.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:09 utc | 168

Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:06 utc | 119
Thanks for that link. The man has done his homework. Am very much enjoying his:
https://arthuryoung.com/applications/the-theory-of-evolutionary-process-as-a-unifying-paradigm/
in which am pleased to find, in his cosmology, reference to Mahayana and Yogachara Buddhism. As it happens, have been recently writing about both in an ongoing series about non-materialist views/mindsets and was about to write about his ‘Bodies of Buddha’ in the next couple of days (aka ‘Body, Speech and Mind’) as an example of how reality is multi-layered moreover always containing experiential dynamics with no solid, independent physical world outside the field in which life forms arise and which features some sort of consciousness or mind factor, one of whose foundational elements is the perception (and also participatory creation) of three dimensional space with all apparent forms arising within that dimension.
I noticed this tab open from earlier just after writing my earlier comment about the same subject matter. Coincidences are always a good sign, though of what it is hard to say…

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 19:25 utc | 169

@ suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 155 with the Confucian thoughts about human nature…thanks!
If humans in the West did nuance they would notice that people from China were having these thoughts back when monotheism was being born in the West….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:26 utc | 170

Mathematics symbolically describes the cosmos and its constraints; it in no way defines or constraints anything.

Not true. In a modern, “formalist” view, its objects are introduced together with the relations between them through a set of axioms. Within such formal systems, research comes across all sorts of interesting and tricky stuff, that gets its own name – group, metric, morphism, dimension, and many more. Those objects are all completely and positively defined; they live in the space given with the framework of the formal system, as parlance goes, and they come to live as ideal, notional “things” of pure reason (though pen and paper helps). As such, maths describes actually nothing. To view numbers as Begriffe is a very interesting perspective: they refer to their formal traits, like in 2+2=4, and nothing else, as in the apples and oranges problem, the first thing kids learn at school.
Modern physics is essentially built on three basic measuring devices (scale, yardstick and clock), which relate observations and experiments to the framework of maths that physicists use to describe their stuff; not accurately termed “laws of nature”, because those things are merely falsifiable theories in modern understanding (cf. Karl Popper). People often wonder how this all fits together so nicely, but I discourage any of the easy and common mystifications that arise here just because maths is a difficult and arcane subject that most journalists don’t understand. I had a professor Mr. Dirk Dubbers who was then head of the physics departement in Heidelberg, he was no less of a teacher than Georg Christoph Lichtenberg or Richard Feynman, comment the issue thusly: “It’s not a surprise to see mathematics so well-prepared to accomodate physical reality, as it has been invented for this very purpose in the first place!” And that is it. Modern physics uses euclidean geometry, calculous, and the delta-distribution (in order of their respective invention), while everything else can be expressed with the notions that are present in those objects (such as complex numbers, topological spaces, stochastic processes, Differentialgeometrie, etc).
Now of course you can play around with other sets of axioms, and this is done a lot by logicians, who came up with three-valued, many-valued, and fuzzy logic among other things, but as it turns out, most of these creations have a very limited use in the Lebenswelt. But even those that are useful must be regarded as an image of whatever empirical “things” to describe; the problem begins already with the fact that you cannot accurately measure a real number with its infinite digits. But even the idealized objects of maths tend to run away if you want to make them too real, such as Poincaré’s theorem (aka the butterfly effect) sets a limit to the predictability of chaotic systems. Also the empirical things would shy away even if you had a magic yardstick to go after them, as quantum mechanics shows (the Heisenberg principle). And then, all axiomatic frameworks you may come up with – they only need to include natural numbers, addition and multiplication – will not be able to decide the veracity of all proper statements you may express within those “formal systems”, as per the Goedel theorem.
So maths can not be expected to describe “everything”; it can’t. Here a few favourite examples: the universe. Feelings. The sensation of colour. Music (as opposed to sound). Sense, meaning and believe. Humour. Reasons. I and Thou. Interest. A fresh drink.
With than, I’m out for tonight.

Posted by: persiflo | Feb 23 2024 19:41 utc | 171

@ persiflo | Feb 23 2024 19:41 utc | 172 with the hubris deflation….thanks
The hubris I like to kick is our basic understanding of things in the Cosmos we live in.
Science says that we understand some things about matter which only represents 5% of the Cosmos. The other 95% science currently refers to as dark energy and dark matter.
The real human hubris is that science talks about dark energy and dark matter as being out in space rather than admitting that it constitutes 95% of those atom things we say we know about and try to understand…..we don’t have Feynman types setting the proper context of our intelligence/ignorance….sad

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 20:09 utc | 172

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:09 utc | 169
Navalny’s mother already made the call of his “wife” who hasn’t visited him for two years (and she has no travel restrictions in the way of doing that) and has been seen with multiple other men. The whole Western propaganda “stoic wife” is utter bullshit. But you wont find that through google search, you will on twitter.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1760689047490724042
Mother says:
– His wife did not see Navalny for 2 years
– She forced him to go to Russia
– She made him put all his property in her name
– She appears with other man in public
– Is shamelessly profiting on his death.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:17 utc | 173

@Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:17 utc | 174
Aaaaah, its a fake! Too good to be true.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:19 utc | 174

An actual reliable story, Keir Starmer served on the Trilateral Commission from 2017-2018 without telling his leader Jeremy Corbyn, who would of course have blocked it. The Trilateral Commission was set up in the 1970s by Rockefeller to link the establishments of the US, Europe and Japan. Adds more weight to the position that his role was one of Manchurian Candidate to both destroy Corbyn and take Labour back from the working people. Another thing not well publicized is that he attends a Jewish Synagogue, married a Jewish wife and is raising their children as Jewish (just like Biden’s three offspring and Trump’s favourite daughter!).
Starmer was the one that got Corbyn to follow the utterly disastrous Brexit second vote position!

Starmer was a member of the Trilateral Commission alongside two former heads of the CIA, and spoke at one of its London events alongside the former heads of MI5 and GCHQ.

Starmer did not respond to Declassified’s questions about his membership—and never declared it to parliament as some other British parliamentarians have done.

Declassified has previously revealed that the year after Starmer protected MI5 chief Sir Jonathan Evans from possible prosecution over his agency’s role in CIA torture, the then senior public prosecutor went to Evans’s farewell drinks, paid for by MI5.

KEIR STARMER JOINED SECRETIVE CIA-LINKED GROUP WHILE SERVING IN CORBYN’S SHADOW CABINET
Our family treasures our Shabbat dinners, says Keir Starmer
The CPS also destroyed all records of Starmer’s trips to the US during the time he was in charge of extraditing Julian Assange from Sweden.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), England and Wales’ public prosecutor, has deleted all records of its former head Keir Starmer’s trips to the US, it can be revealed.
Starmer served as Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) from 2008-13, a period when the body was overseeing Julian Assange’s proposed extradition to Sweden to face questioning over sexual assault allegations.
While DPP, Starmer made trips to Washington in 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 at a cost to the British taxpayer of £21,603. It was his most frequent foreign destination while in post. Max Hill, the current DPP, has made just one trip to Washington during his five-year tenure.

Declassified has previously shown that the UK Home Office deployed eight staff on the secret operation to seize Assange from his asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. This was a highly irregular move as Ecuador is a friendly country and asylum is a right enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The CPS’s lack of disclosure of documents related to Assange may raise suspicions of a cover-up. While Starmer was still in charge, in April 2013, the CPS rejected Assange’s request for the personal data it had on him “because of the live matters still pending”.
Even GCHQ, the UK’s largest spy agency, had granted Assange’s request for the personal information it held on him, which revealed one of its intelligence officers calling the Swedish case a “fit-up”.

CPS HAS DESTROYED ALL RECORDS OF KEIR STARMER’S FOUR TRIPS TO WASHINGTON

Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:53 utc | 175

Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:53 utc | 176 …
Starmer could well have been an unlisted member of the Trilateral Commission prior to stated date … as has happened with attendees/members of various invitation-only groups like the (for decades dismissed as “conspiracy theory” — but then suddenly not) Bilderberg Group.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:19 utc | 176

Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:53 utc | 176
***… without telling his leader Jeremy Corbyn, who would of course have blocked it.***
Corbyn was an idiot not to dispose of him anyway — regardless of TC membership — having seen Starmer’s persistent US-invoked corruption with regard to the Assange case.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:29 utc | 177

Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 155
@ UWDude
Re Confuscist conception of good and evil in ~ 550 BCE
Mengzi (also known as Mencius, 372 – 289 BCE) and Xunzi (310 – 238 BCE) are the two other great Confucian thinkers from the ancient period.
And, while they are both rightly recognized as major Confucians, Mengzi and Xunzi actually fundamentally disagreed on a rather important issue: human nature.
In a key passage from the Mengzi (a collection of dialogues featuring the great Confucian philosopher), Mengzi identifies four such sprouts, which are aligned to the key Confucian virtues:
1. The sprout of ren (commonly translated as benevolence or humaneness, involving having a heart sensitive to the suffering of others)
2. The sprout of righteousness (having a heart that feels shame or disdain in certain situations)
3. The sprout of ritual proprietary (having a heart that feels courtesy or deference)
4. The sprout of wisdom (having a heart that feels approval and disapproval and has a sense of right and wrong
Mengzi says that “a person having these four sprouts is like their having four limbs,” continuing:
Having these four sprouts within oneself, if one knows to fill them all out, it will be like a fire starting up or a spring breaking through! If one can merely fill them all out, they will be sufficient to care for all within the Four Seas. If one merely fails to fill them out, they will be insufficient to serve one’s parents.
The ‘sprouts’ for goodness, then, are innate. As long as we are nurtured in healthy environments, Mengzi thinks, we are all capable of growing our sprouts into full-blown virtues.

Not sure why you posted this, but most enjoyable. FWLIW, I would translate ‘sprouts’ as ‘seeds’. Sounds better. And ‘ritual propriety’ as ‘decorum’ though without further explanation it can be misinterpreted. Decorum is a two-way process: a sincere, humble individual acting in accordance with societal norms, be they everyday, like saying ‘Good Morning’ or observing Boardroom or Court procedures, or in sacred ceremony, which also involves externally established formats.
All this debate, BTW, was influenced by Mahayana Buddhism which has similar lists though a different thrust.
The Good-Evil business is partly a confusion in terminology. On the one hand our Nature is basically, fundamentally good, unaffected by whatever arises. A more Western way of saying this perhaps is that all of Creation is basically good, primordially sacred even. However, when we act against this Nature, we engender Evil. Evil is not original to Creation/Reality/Nature which is why you so often find evil individuals or peoples/cultures aping decency. Like in some of the Court cases recently in the US they are ostensibly following true Law but in fact are twisting it out of all recognition. As is said, there is a difference between following the Letter and the Spirit of the Law. When following the Letter without following its reasonable and decent spirit you pervert that same Law and indeed promulgate Evil whilst pretending to be good.
A good thing I now limit my post length. I could easily go on for 10,000 words!
Last year I wrote a light exploration of Good and Evil which am not satisfied with, but you might enjoy some of it: https://baronbrasdor.files.wordpress.com/2023/09/articles-60-76-good-and-evil-series-4.pdf
PS. To many other posters on this thread: appreciation for a wide-ranging, multi-faceted discussion with so many interesting, intelligent contributions. Kudos to our host.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 22:30 utc | 178

@Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:29 utc | 178
Corbyn was an idiot not to clear out the whole Labour Head Office and force re-selection on all MPs to force out the traitors. The press would have gone insane, but he would have won the election (if he had been allowed to live). Then the next day “a very British Coup”.

Posted by: Roger | Feb 24 2024 0:47 utc | 179

fyi,
Arnaud B. is one of the more astute and better commentators over in twitlandia
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1760901662796038466
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
Zbigniew Brzezinski once wrote that, from a U.S. standpoint, “the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia and perhaps Iran, an ‘anti-hegemonic’ coalition, united not by ideology but by complementary grievances.”
He didn’t think big enough. What we’re seeing slowly materialize is a grand coalition of China, Russia and the entire Muslim world, whose people are united like never before by anti-West grievances. Together with countries like Brazil or South Africa. And frankly, deservedly so, as a result of the West’s unbelievable hubris and insane double standards.
Which is why all the news around China being supposedly in a fight against Islam should make you burst out laughing. These news are a symptom of Western hubris, of their unbelievable ability to lie to themselves and gaslight their people, but in no way a reflection of anything resembling reality.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2024 1:06 utc | 180

Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 155
Heh. I have gotten a sense of confucian morality from chinese historical dramas.
I learned about about it in Chinese history.
There is first and foremost, filial piety. Which kind of means loyalty to your family, and loyalty to the structure of society. It is almost as if if your father tells you to do something, to disobey would be more “immoral” than any “immoral”, by our standards, command he could give
Second. There is competence. To take on responsibility, but to fail, is in a sense, immoral.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 1:25 utc | 181

Also, in the other thread I said Sun Tzu does not talk about morality.
He says “the moral law”, but if you look for definition of what “moral law” is, you will find nothing about truth or justice. It is more like “doing war right”. You can find some of ot perhaps meaning “balance” between “benevolence” and strictness, and fairness when punishing and rewarding.
But the “an evil emperor will burn hos empire down to rule over the ashes” is not in there, because Sun Tzu never talks of “good” or “evil” as we know it.
The “good” a word actually not used, except “good job” or “well done” by some translations, is more again like “desirable” not “moral”, and “evil” is certainly never used, at best, he says, “suffers from an extreme lack of intelligence”
I cant say I have memorized the art of war, but it is the one book ony nightstand, i have read it about a dozen times, and listened to the audio book over 100 times. I recognize any quote, and also immediately know a false quote, of which there are many floating around the internet.
He gives advice, like to “treat your prisoners well”, but this is not moral advice. In the same chapter he talks about turning your enemy to your side as the best outcome from battle.
Confucianism is different from most “religions”, in that ot really does delve into the spiritual or supernatural. “The will of heaven” is a bit different than “in sha Allah”, or “God Willing”, as it is more an explanation for events, than a judgement of morality, or request to a higher power.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 2:03 utc | 182

AI futures and the metacrisis. AU
59:42 / 1:15:27
The Metacrisis: Making Sense in a Nonsensical World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKI2C61jVE&t=1682s

Daniel Schmachtenberger …. Imagining what must the future coordination systems and the distribution and allocation of resources and you start to get into things like doesn’t ‘Interest’ (Banks/Borrowing) by itself even if we don’t think about Central Bank policy or interest rates or fractional Reserve banking or anything doesn’t Interest itself, compounding interest, force exponential growth of Finance?
Yeah it does, and then to not debase the currency doesn’t that mean you have to have an exponential growth of goods and services?
Yeah it does. Doesn’t that mean you basically have to have an exponential materials economy on a finite Planet? Yeah! So Interest has to go too!
Well that’s really fundamental (to how our world operates globally) We don’t know how to make that World.
And then as long as most access to resources is based on private property doesn’t that mean rival Risk Interest where I can do better at the expense of the environment and others, based on private property?
Probably a lot of stuff has to be rethought around property law and then even like – I can appreciate the atmosphere in fact my life depends upon it, but I don’t have to pay for it myself (it’s free / held in common).
And so if I cut a tree down I get immediate benefit from the Timber and the little tiny damage it causes to the atmosphere I don’t really notice that, but when everybody thinks that way it does have that effect (globally to the Commons.)
But locally I have way more incentive to cut it down than to leave it up because the extraction value that I get from turning it into Lumber gives me game theoretic value ($ in hand relative wealth) whereas if I put my resources towards planting more trees, that I don’t have a direct economic interest in, I do less well in
the economic system – become relatively less wealthy.
This means that there is a fundamental rethinking of the value equation because whoever ends up valuing extractable exchangeable wealth ends up doing game theoretically much better than those who don’t.
Which means they influence the world and culture more than those who pay more attention to the Common Wealth, Society and the Culture who then have less influence over the whole thing (economically, socially, politically, and culturally).
So the (near term future) changes (to avoid a meta crisis / civilization destruction of planetary boundaries) that we’re talking about at the level of Economics are things like: interest, private property, fungible currency, which are even deeper than whether we have nation states or not.

The discussion then moves onto the potential of positives from AI/AGI to individuals/society and culture

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 24 2024 2:18 utc | 183

Quoting nutjob MIke Adams ‘bombshell’
China supporting BLM
Military age [sic]Chinese infiltrating into USAss big time,
Chinese arms intercepted..
CPC instructors training narco gangs
CPC/NEWSome plotting insurrection
Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 26 2024 20:05 utc | 27
————————
denk

Anyone who harbors the indea of a ‘Chinese invasion’ must be a fucking moron

The pop backtracking….
scorpion

Any child could see that its Mike Adams claim, not mine,. [1]
even if the parts came from China as the Customs Agency officials state, this doesn’t mean ‘China’ was driving the subversive activities, rather private parties could be helping for profit or serving as cover for the CIA actually driving it all possibly
Jan 27 2024

Then another bombshell, quoting FC..

They say the neocon plan is to break Russia into five pieces. Looks to me like there is a counter-plan to break America down, possibly into pieces as well. If so, the Chinese might get Vancouver down to Cabo San Lucas; maybe Mexico grows into Arizona, New Mexico and Texas; and so on, to be determined by what’s left of the citizenry after economic collapse, disease and civil war.
Feb 2 2024

Wow !
A joint Russia/China/Jew conspiracy !!!

Quoting PCR..
More on the mass immigration initiative, this directly tying together Jewish groups with the CCP and DOJ
Feb 7 2024

So its not some private profiteer after all , but a full blown CPC caper to take over USAss , in cahoot with Russia, Jews, eh prof ?
Im still waiting for your proof of a CPC tye up with DOJ, Newsome, ???

I read a recent estimate of over 30,000 military aged Chinese illegals now in California alone. They are sponsored, many with debit cards refilled monthly, not economic migrants as most naively imagine.
..the Chinese were there long before Columbus; maybe they are soon going to take it back?! I doubt it, at least not for a few more decades, but for sure something is up. I suspect: a blatantly stolen election which Trump loses; then both real and orchestrated riots possibly involving US military versus ‘patriot’ militias, etc. during which many of these tens of thousands of military aged males will play a part. Large protests will be met with ruthless suppression, arrests, crack-downs etc. Perhaps these illegals will get citizenship in return for joining the military which then cracks down on the hapless citizenry. Also all are already being given ID’s so they can vote. It comes down to about 15 counties in seven swing states, or thereabouts, to swing an election. Just like in 2020. So they have a one party system in place already now so soon can officially mount another system.
Feb 23 2024

tHE pop had officially owned nutjob Mike Adams crazy CONspiracy theory.
NO more excuse., pop.
QED

Posted by: denk | Feb 24 2024 2:28 utc | 184

While USA picks fights here and there, it misses the greatest dangers looming above our heads:
Mysterious balloon intercepted over Utah ABC New
Once again, Western states are invaded, but the government does not even know where it came from? Our valiant boldly intercepted the intruder, but not before it reached Utah. If I were a presidential candidate, I would promise re-orientation of defense policies toward identifying and fighting the Mysterious Threat. Some possible bold moves are easy: freeze all assets with mysterious owners, with addresses in Cayman Islands, or post boxes in Panama or Bermuda etc. Send fleets in all directions where the Mysterious threat may originated. Convene assembly of experts. Censor all Mysterious disinformation (expect a conspiracy theory that they do not exist, it should be stamped out).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2024 2:55 utc | 185

Our valiant boldly intercepted… –> Our valiant NORAD boldly intercepted…

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2024 2:57 utc | 186

Roger | Feb 23 2024 15:51 utc | 152
Thanks for the reply on soft denial etc. and your ref to empty institutions, as well as the one on Food later.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 24 2024 3:02 utc | 187

The latest in distraction for the US masses from Reuters
Alabama’s highest court ruled frozen embryos are people. What is next?
Just to muddy the waters further…..
The link below is to a recent study that shows that if you culture cortical organiods (40% glia/astrocytes) for 6-7 months they start creating coherent bio-electric wave forms similar to unborn infants. The study is gnarly bio stuff but can be read and understood by overlooking the stuff you don’t quite get
https://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/fulltext/S1934-5909(19)30337-6

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2024 4:01 utc | 188

A change of pace perhaps —
“It is quite clear from study of megalithic structures still to be found (Egyptian pyramids included, but there are many others), that the ancient builders had an intense interest in celestial alignments in general and studied precession in particular, over thousands of years.
The equinoxes drift westward along the ecliptic at the rate of 50.4 arc seconds annually, i.e. it takes about 72 years for the equinoxes to drift 1 degree. Studying precession is a long term effort.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113

(The Watchman, alone)
I ask the gods some respite from the weariness
of this watchtime measured by years I lie awake
elbowed upon the Atreidae’s roof dogwise to mark
the grand processionals of all the stars of night
burdened with winter and again with heat for men,
dynasties in their shining blazoned on the air,
these stars, upon their wane and when the rest arise.
[Aeschylus, Agamemnon first play in the Oresteia, Lattimore translation]

Night all.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 4:56 utc | 189

Below is a link to a Xinhuanet posting that shows China is thinking comprehensively
Xi stresses promoting equipment renewals, trade-ins of consumer goods
The quote

Highlighting the roles of equipment renewals and consumer goods trade-ins in boosting investment and consumption, the meeting called for efforts to promote a continuous increase in the advanced production capacity proportion, recycle waste resources, and facilitate national economic circulation.
The country should promote technological upgrades at all types of industrial and service facilities, while encouraging trade-ins of automobiles, home appliances and other durables, according to the meeting.
China needs to accelerate the development of a logistics system that integrates both trade-ins and recycling, ensuring its development delivers greater benefits to consumers.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2024 6:58 utc | 190

Re: recent Moon Landing
Might want to learn a bit about the Lunokhod Soviet moon buggy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_1

Posted by: Exile | Feb 24 2024 8:34 utc | 191

Journalism reduction scheme ….
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/101587

🏴‍☠️ CBS seized files about Biden from a fired investigative journalist
CBS News senior correspondent Catherine Herridge had her files, recordings and computers seized after the channel fired her this month, Mediaite reports.
According to several sources, at the time of her dismissal, Herridge was investigating the case against US President Joe Biden. KBS has banned her from taking her recordings and other files, including documents allegedly containing confidential information from sources.
The New York Post, citing sources close to the channel, reported that these files “most likely contain confidential materials about Herridge’s work at both Fox and CBS” and “may contain non-disclosure conversations she had with her lawyers and sources.”

Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 24 2024 9:17 utc | 192

The timeline of COVID seems to indicate politics and money played a role:
On August 11, 2020, the Russian Ministry of Health registers the Russian Sputnik-V vaccine.
On October 11, 2020, the Pfizer CEO files with the US SEC he intends to sell Pfizer shares on November 11, 2020. (bit.ly/3eQ0RPV)
On November 3, 2020, Biden wins the US presidential elections against Trump.
On November 9, 2020, Pfizer announces its COVID vaccine. Pfizer shares jump.
On November 11, 2020, the Pfizer CEO earns $5.56 million by selling Pfizer shares.
With hindsight, some COVID deaths were avoidable. If the Russian vaccine was used, vaccination could have begun months earlier.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 24 2024 9:49 utc | 193

The great American moon landing…. much cheering but no pics. Now we are told it is laying on its side but can still perform much of what it was sent there for. Next we are told….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 11:53 utc | 194

Historic moon lander likely on its side, but data is flowing, says company official
Embry-Riddle’s EagleCam payload has yet to deploy to send back pictures
A day after a private company made history with a soft landing on the moon, company officials detailed what they think they know from limited data gathered and lack of imagery about the lander, including the likelihood that is on its side.
Houston-based Intuitive Machines’ Nova-C lander Odysseus touched down Thursday at 6:23 p.m. EST near the south pole of moon, making it the first time a commercial company had achieved the feat. It also marked the first soft landing by a U.S.-based moon lander since Apollo 17 in 1972.
“Just to clear up some confusion, we thought we were upright,” said company CEO Steve Altemus during a press conference Friday, which was what the company declared in the hours after touchdown.

continues ==> https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/02/23/historic-lunar-lander-likely-on-its-side-but-data-is-flowing-says-company-official/

“Data still flowing” is one way to spin it.
Press conference photo of the situation ==> https://www.orlandosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/intuitivemachineslanding2.jpg?w=1360

Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2024 13:52 utc | 195

Woops, I see my post way back on the second page – Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 4:56 utc | 190
Sorry, carry on!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:23 utc | 196

Sorry, got my open forums mixed somehow. Not way back at all. That was me, laying on its side, not the moon lander — I’m upright now (I hope).
But back to weather — there is a very nasty component to the current lot for us in the US, which is sudden drastic ‘plops’ into frigid temps overnight after warmth. I know that is a usual component of spring weather but here abouts I don’t remember it being so extreme. Thus, I can see how there are extreme positions being taken in predictions here, as very definitely, the hot parts are hotter and cold colder as we get into spring.
I hope that doesn’t start another round of upping the arguments. I would say we just don’t know what’s coming, having not had these experiences before. So, if this is going to continue as our new normal for springtime, we need to adapt. I’ve only planted peas and potatoes (gonna keep trying) so far, all others still incubating indoors or under glass (kale). And some little critter came along the other night and ate or carried away most of my crocus blooms – never had that happen before. Not shrivelled – vanished!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:48 utc | 197

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 2:03 utc | 183
Would you describe Nicomachean Ethics as “religion”?

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 24 2024 16:00 utc | 198

On the plus side, my indoor sunroom nasturtiums have huge leaves – no flowers, just dinner plate (well, more like sandwich plate) leaves, so that’s the CO2 I guess, or maybe methane (?) as I live under NM’s methane cloud. Also leaves of saffron crocus,(which should bloom in fall but only a few did this year)are extremely long out in the garden as well.
And, come to think of it, all the indoorseys are greener than they usually are this time of year from getting less sun – tomato plants, citrus, dracaenas, geraniums. I thought it was my thumb getting greener but given my usual not so greatness maybe …

Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 16:08 utc | 199

I would say we just don’t know what’s coming, having not had these experiences before.
@ juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:48 utc | 198

Such observations are shared by anyone who tends a garden, anywhere in the world! Plants, whether flowering frivolities or dietary staples, profoundly care about whether the weather is just a little bit colder or hotter, a little bit sooner or later. Such issues, while dismissed as woke propaganda by ecological agnotologists, make all the difference to little winged pollinators. Gardeners really notice when fruit trees take the year off.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 24 2024 16:17 utc | 200