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February 22, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-055
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My math isn’t adequate to understanding how these unconnected points can form the kinds of visible patterns we see at different scales, except that the ‘snowmen’ seem to have some correlation to series of primes- and I probably have that wrong. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 23 2024 5:16 utc | 101 My math isn’t adequate to understanding how these unconnected points can form the kinds of visible patterns we see at different scales, except that the ‘snowmen’ seem to have some correlation to series of primes- and I probably have that wrong. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 23 2024 5:22 utc | 102 Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 4:26 utc | 94 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:31 utc | 103 Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
In the US there is the toothless Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and I fully expect Western finance folks to get brought to task in China unlike the US so West can see good example of public finance regulation. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 5:45 utc | 104 Watched the official NASA “live feed” of the LM-1 Odysseus landing as it happened. Two hours of animated simulations, talking heads, and slick advertisements of each of the lander’s alleged virtues. Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:11 utc | 105 Here’s the official video record of the whole lunar landing that doesn’t show any of the lunar landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg2ffigGcYM Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:24 utc | 106 @Posted by: Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:34 utc | 96 OK last post before going to bed mystified. NASA’s official news feed still makes no mention of a successful soft landing: https://www.nasa.gov/news/all-news/ Is the PR crew wildly short-staffed, or would the humility of NASA’s management make an angel weep? Does the budget for this reboot fall short of the full Capricorn One treatment? Will I be able to sleep at all tonight? Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:39 utc | 108 @Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2024 22:47 utc | 52
Milanković cycles, after the Serbian astronomer Milutin Milanković. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 7:51 utc | 109 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:10 utc | 100 Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 110 Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 6:39 utc | 108 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 111 Posted by: Roger | Feb 23 2024 6:36 utc | 107 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:02 utc | 112 @Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 3:31 utc | 87
The precession of Earth’s axis has a period of 25,772 years. It is caused by the other solar system bodies pull on the Earth’s equatorial bulge, the Earth is not a perfect sphere. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113 Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 110 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:46 utc | 114 @Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 7:52 utc | 111
I watched a NASA live feed last night, expecting Apollo-style technical information, but got nothing. Nothing at all. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:50 utc | 115 Not that it matters, but I never mentioned the milankovitch cycles, that was someone else. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 8:51 utc | 116 @Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:50 utc | 115 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:59 utc | 117 It so easy to disrupt and deny just follow the rules of superior sophistry: Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:00 utc | 118 Posted by: persiflo | Feb 22 2024 21:17 utc | 37 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:06 utc | 119
Yes, but it does not replace them. Posted by: persiflo | Feb 23 2024 9:08 utc | 120 Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 7:51 utc | 109 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 121 Another pointless story. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122 Posted by: UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:31 utc | 123 Crumby source, BBC, replete with the usual handicapped tropes, but there could plausibly be some small truth to it.
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 23 2024 9:32 utc | 124
This is a good comment and a really good point. If I may add a few things? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:49 utc | 125 UWDude | Feb 23 2024 9:27 utc | 122 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2024 10:12 utc | 126 “Voxukraine” has made a picture of the network of russian propaganda. Posted by: Passerby | Feb 23 2024 10:37 utc | 127 (Sheep always walk and graze into the wind so the flies are at their bum) Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 23 2024 11:23 utc | 128 “Is it any surprise that the national debt moved higher ? What is the unprecedented catastrophic landscape risk humanity faces currently? And what has to be done that is not already currently in place to resolve these issues? In this conversation social philosopher and co-founder of The Consilience Project, Daniel Schmachtenberger and futurist, regeneration architect, Thomas Ermacora, offer an orienting context that affects all human endeavour, and frame what grounded, post-cynical optimism might entail. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 11:32 utc | 130 “It all makes sense when you realize that none of the ‘western leaders’ that you see are actually leaders. They are mere employees of less visible powers. ” It’s now 13 hours since the IM-1 Odysseus lunar lander allegedly touched down successfully, yet still no images of the event or anything else since then on NASA’s live feed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlRNt47Fi8) and no mention of that story on NASA’s news feed (https://www.nasa.gov/news/all-news/). Posted by: Ralphie | Feb 23 2024 12:47 utc | 132 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113 Canadians are warned that this Israel-Hamas situation could inspire violent incidents, such as lone-wolf attacks, right here in Canada. I say, by the time they publicize this warning, it’s either mostly taken care of already, or they can no longer keep the lid on it. And the Canadian establishment is very good with lids. Or – it’s a warning. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 23 2024 14:14 utc | 134 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 8:34 utc | 113 @24 Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 14:39 utc | 136 The attack occurred around 8.30 pm when officers attempted to disperse a disorderly group in front of 220 West 42 Street.” So called ‘westerners’, Posted by: stranger | Feb 23 2024 14:52 utc | 139 “Your dissing of The Systems View of Life w/o even seeing what it is sounds a bit hubristic to me.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 14:59 utc | 140 https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/opinion/inside-mayor-adams-migrant-debit-card-boondoggle-no-bid-bank-gets-50-million-border-crossers-up-to-10000-each/ Systems View of Life preface extract: Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:18 utc | 142 @Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 8:02 utc | 112 @Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 14:03 utc | 134
For the record, I have suggested no such thing. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 15:31 utc | 144 @canuck | Feb 23 2024 14:26 utc | 136
Be sure not to confuse magnetic poles with geographic poles. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2024 15:34 utc | 145 Lol. psychohistorian? I’m now pretty sure that your earlier question regarding mathematics ability to describe the universe was facetious. Although I can’t tell if you believe the answer is no. In my opinion the answer is indeed no; no current mathematics is not up to the task. Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:37 utc | 146 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 5:31 utc | 103
I did. Then you replied about normal gyrations over time so I clarified that I was referring to something else. Sorry for any confusion. >>> Hot Mossad viral infections are waiting for you on —– https://shorturl.hasAvirus Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:43 utc | 149
The Apollo lander scooted around quite a bit, appearing in the photos in numerous places relative to the (nicely fabricated) background scenery. Maybe its leftovers can run and hide too. Posted by: Michael A | Feb 23 2024 15:43 utc | 150 @Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 23 2024 9:49 utc | 125 “The truth is one and very simple: Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 23 2024 15:51 utc | 152 Do we suppose Armenia did this because otherwise France (and, one could postulate, perhaps other French regions) would become de facto member(a) of the CSTO? Per TASS: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 23 2024 16:01 utc | 153 @ UWDude Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 154 Correction — blockquoting lost during time out. Sorry. Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:19 utc | 155 @Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 23 2024 15:38 utc | 148
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csr/2012/08/06/choice-at-the-supermarket-is-our-food-system-the-perfect-oligopoly/?sh=1ad3e419334e Bad commercial real estate loans put strain on banking system
And we are only at the start of the delinquency and default process, as problems really manifest as loans have to be refinanced or as property owners run out of cash to make the payments or decide to simply dump the problem on the bank by walking away (as many corporations tend to do, they feel no obligation to keep paying property loans where liability can be localized to a ring-fenced subsidiary or a loan that they can get out of through pre-packaged corporate bankruptcy).
This headache, plus the car loan, credit card and soon to be home loan headaches will be with us for years. But heh, NVDA hit a new high! Get ready for years of massively enhanced bank loan loss provisions and write-offs. The government will be coming to your pocket to bail these schmucks out from their own recklessness once again. There’s always that “bail-in” provision backstop where some of your deposits suddenly become worthless shares in the bank! Recent survey of China’s satellite ISR capabilities, and other things ==> https://youtu.be/1bnl0FFaUgc Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2024 17:06 utc | 158 “…an interesting article in Al Jazeera about Chinese migration to the US…” Posted by: oracle | Feb 23 2024 17:16 utc | 159 “…an interesting article in Al Jazeera about Chinese migration to the US…” Posted by: oracle | Feb 23 2024 17:16 utc | 160 Honzo | Feb 23 2024 4:13 utc | 91 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 17:38 utc | 161 How PBS used to report on things around the world, still very much from an Imperialist position and equating “communist geurillas” to “right-wing army groups” with the population “caught in the middle” (rather than being the natural allies of he geurillas) but actually properly identifying who was doing the vast majority of the killing (the military). Just imagine if the same type of reporting was being done about Ukraine and Occupied Palestine, it was never perfect but at least this was a lot closer to the truth. How far US media has fallen into becoming the US versions of Pravda and Izvestia, and so nice to watch a report that isn’t suffering from ADHD. A couple of Friday evening signing off comments that belong here. Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 23 2024 18:03 utc | 163 “what does Biden vs Trump portend? Nothing good. Posted by: lester | Feb 23 2024 18:17 utc | 164 “DEMS PANIC Over Michigan Voter Israel REVOLT” Posted by: WMG | Feb 23 2024 18:42 utc | 165 ….a new science of qualities is slowly emerging.”
I read a recent estimate of over 30,000 military aged Chinese illegals now in California alone. They are sponsored, many with debit cards refilled monthly, not economic migrants as most naively imagine. Reuters is documenting the hypocrisy of empire with the following Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:09 utc | 168 Posted by: Ron | Feb 23 2024 9:06 utc | 119 @ suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 155 with the Confucian thoughts about human nature…thanks! Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:26 utc | 170
Not true. In a modern, “formalist” view, its objects are introduced together with the relations between them through a set of axioms. Within such formal systems, research comes across all sorts of interesting and tricky stuff, that gets its own name – group, metric, morphism, dimension, and many more. Those objects are all completely and positively defined; they live in the space given with the framework of the formal system, as parlance goes, and they come to live as ideal, notional “things” of pure reason (though pen and paper helps). As such, maths describes actually nothing. To view numbers as Begriffe is a very interesting perspective: they refer to their formal traits, like in 2+2=4, and nothing else, as in the apples and oranges problem, the first thing kids learn at school. Posted by: persiflo | Feb 23 2024 19:41 utc | 171 @ persiflo | Feb 23 2024 19:41 utc | 172 with the hubris deflation….thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 20:09 utc | 172 @Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 19:09 utc | 169 An actual reliable story, Keir Starmer served on the Trilateral Commission from 2017-2018 without telling his leader Jeremy Corbyn, who would of course have blocked it. The Trilateral Commission was set up in the 1970s by Rockefeller to link the establishments of the US, Europe and Japan. Adds more weight to the position that his role was one of Manchurian Candidate to both destroy Corbyn and take Labour back from the working people. Another thing not well publicized is that he attends a Jewish Synagogue, married a Jewish wife and is raising their children as Jewish (just like Biden’s three offspring and Trump’s favourite daughter!).
KEIR STARMER JOINED SECRETIVE CIA-LINKED GROUP WHILE SERVING IN CORBYN’S SHADOW CABINET
CPS HAS DESTROYED ALL RECORDS OF KEIR STARMER’S FOUR TRIPS TO WASHINGTON Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:53 utc | 176 … Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:19 utc | 176 Roger | Feb 23 2024 20:53 utc | 176 Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:29 utc | 177
Not sure why you posted this, but most enjoyable. FWLIW, I would translate ‘sprouts’ as ‘seeds’. Sounds better. And ‘ritual propriety’ as ‘decorum’ though without further explanation it can be misinterpreted. Decorum is a two-way process: a sincere, humble individual acting in accordance with societal norms, be they everyday, like saying ‘Good Morning’ or observing Boardroom or Court procedures, or in sacred ceremony, which also involves externally established formats. @Posted by: Cynic | Feb 23 2024 22:29 utc | 178 fyi, Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 24 2024 1:06 utc | 180 Posted by: suzan | Feb 23 2024 16:17 utc | 155 Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 1:25 utc | 181 Also, in the other thread I said Sun Tzu does not talk about morality. Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 2:03 utc | 182 AI futures and the metacrisis. AU
The discussion then moves onto the potential of positives from AI/AGI to individuals/society and culture Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 24 2024 2:18 utc | 183 Quoting nutjob MIke Adams ‘bombshell’
The pop backtracking….
Then another bombshell, quoting FC..
Wow !
So its not some private profiteer after all , but a full blown CPC caper to take over USAss , in cahoot with Russia, Jews, eh prof ?
tHE pop had officially owned nutjob Mike Adams crazy CONspiracy theory. Posted by: denk | Feb 24 2024 2:28 utc | 184 While USA picks fights here and there, it misses the greatest dangers looming above our heads: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2024 2:55 utc | 185 Our valiant boldly intercepted… –> Our valiant NORAD boldly intercepted… Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 24 2024 2:57 utc | 186 Roger | Feb 23 2024 15:51 utc | 152 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 24 2024 3:02 utc | 187 The latest in distraction for the US masses from Reuters Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2024 4:01 utc | 188 A change of pace perhaps —
Night all. Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 4:56 utc | 189 Below is a link to a Xinhuanet posting that shows China is thinking comprehensively
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2024 6:58 utc | 190 Re: recent Moon Landing Posted by: Exile | Feb 24 2024 8:34 utc | 191 Journalism reduction scheme ….
Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 24 2024 9:17 utc | 192 The timeline of COVID seems to indicate politics and money played a role: Posted by: Passerby | Feb 24 2024 9:49 utc | 193 The great American moon landing…. much cheering but no pics. Now we are told it is laying on its side but can still perform much of what it was sent there for. Next we are told…. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2024 11:53 utc | 194
Posted by: too scents | Feb 24 2024 13:52 utc | 195 Woops, I see my post way back on the second page – Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 4:56 utc | 190 Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:23 utc | 196 Sorry, got my open forums mixed somehow. Not way back at all. That was me, laying on its side, not the moon lander — I’m upright now (I hope). Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 15:48 utc | 197 Posted by: UWDude | Feb 24 2024 2:03 utc | 183 Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 24 2024 16:00 utc | 198 On the plus side, my indoor sunroom nasturtiums have huge leaves – no flowers, just dinner plate (well, more like sandwich plate) leaves, so that’s the CO2 I guess, or maybe methane (?) as I live under NM’s methane cloud. Also leaves of saffron crocus,(which should bloom in fall but only a few did this year)are extremely long out in the garden as well. Posted by: juliania | Feb 24 2024 16:08 utc | 199 I would say we just don’t know what’s coming, having not had these experiences before. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 24 2024 16:17 utc | 200 |
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