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February 9, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-042

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The CIA and MI5 are now also in the dock…
They are funded to protect their respective countrys populations not carry out a massive disinformation campagn to the detriment of their own public,
Risking nucular war puely to line the curupt leaders pockets.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 20:47 utc | 101

S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99
Thanks S.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 20:51 utc | 102

100 – They break their own laws if it is convenient. A neo-Nazi gang was going around for years, mostly murdering Turkish shopkeepers, and a known state informant was at the scene at one of the murders but no action was taken.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 9 2024 20:53 utc | 103

The two candidates for president of the USA
are both… MENTAILY DEFECTIVE.
Let that sink in.
Good night all.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 20:54 utc | 104

Oh, Mark2 @101, I was glad to read your comment because I was going to post about this… while sucking the thread in a very Canadian direction, for which I apologize, but it’s an extension of what I posted @65. Which is, you know, international in its scope.
The Beaverton, a Canadian satirical news site, made me collapse into giggles with their repost of, “Rogers can’t fucking believe they’re the less evil telecom giant” Maybr its like with the CIA and MI5/6 , I don’t know. That’s what I read, anyhow.
https://x.com/TheBeaverton/status/1756017683768766795
Then, there’s this from TASS — https://tass.com/politics/1744537
“Russia acknowledges intense Western pressure on CIS nations in UN — diplomat” which quotes Andrey Grozov as stating, “ We understand and never dramatize this. At the same time, we keep on calling on our partners and allies not to be afraid of Western gendarmerie and more actively demonstrate their attitude to such anti-Russian initiatives,”” — see, that caught my eye because yesterday I posted in Week in Review about French regions cooperating with Russia (via TASS), with a piece from La Presse on the gendarmerie royale du Canada au Québec, speculating that this is one such region where there’s cooperation. (Shouldn’t come as too much surprise, since on the map from north to south, it’s Russia – French region (Quebec) – New York State).
“Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Pankin said at a meeting of CIS ambassadors in late January in Minsk that Russia wanted CIS countries to speak out against anti-Russian resolutions more resolutely. He stressed that Russia was ready to stand up against politically-motivated documents concerning other CIS countries within the United Nations.”
Well. I hope that those CIS countries take that advice.
Here’s Trudeau in today’s La Presse talking about that more evil telecom giant, BCE
https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/entreprises/2024-02-09/compressions-chez-bell/une-decision-pourrie-lance-justin-trudeau.php

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 9 2024 21:06 utc | 105

@ S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99 with the Carlson after interview link…thanks
I watched it believe that Carlson is a tool or playing ignorant about geo-politics.
In the after interview piece he calls Putin angry about the West’s treatment of Russia and totally obfuscates the historical intent of the God Of Mammon cult to break up Russia and control the pieces to contain China.
Carlson is on the Red team side and not on the side of the American public….sad
Any benefit he may provide to the American public by exposing the current puppets is of limited benefit if the private money mafia stay in power.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:10 utc | 106

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 20:47 utc | 101
The CIA and MI5 are now also in the dock…
They are funded to protect their respective countries’ populations not carry out a massive disinformation campaign to the detriment of their own public, risking nuclear war purely to line the corrupt leaders pockets.

Have emboldened the part which I think far too many people keep believing because they are naively unwilling to accept the CLEAR AND PRESENT FACT that Western polities are run by criminal credit cartels not at all interested in ‘protecting their .. populations’ and who most decidedly ARE involved in unending ‘massive disinformation .. to the detriment of their own publics’.
That is who they are and what they do though wouldn’t it be nice to really know for whom they work.
Hint: much of the modern British Secret Services originally come from banking networks because for millennia they managed international relations handling agreements between Party A in Country X with Party B in Country Y. And they have rarely if ever worked for the benefit of their host nation populations.
Take Waterloo: a Rothschild’s private Intelligence service carrier pigeon informed London just before the open that Napoleon had won the battle; shortly thereafter the Rothschilds had bought up nearly all UK private companies at pennies to the pound; then later official messages arrived with the news that actually Wellington had won immediately after which the prices went back up and then some, only now one family controlled pretty much the entire national economy (including the Crown). That’s what they do, not protect their people.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 21:12 utc | 107

Besides my political disagreements, having grown up in the era of heavyweights like Gore Vidal I always considered Carlson a flyweight, getting rid of the ventriloquist’s dummy bowtie helped, maybe the human growth hormone kicked in and he developed beyond man-child, and while I still consider him a flyweight he rose to the occasion in trying to prevent the mother of all USA misadventures and WW3 in Ukraine.
Saddest is Oliver Stone had cleared the path and paved it, all Carlson had to do is walk down it but seems he still wants one foot in the msm and one in alt media, unwilling to let go of passed privilege or wander off too far and get lost. Maybe one more shot of growth hormone is needed.
Col. Wilkerson just now on Judge Nap nailed Tucker’s positive contribution in these troubled times, that a journalist is having to do the work American diplomates are incapable of and have abrogated.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:15 utc | 108

Yves at Naked Capitalism sums up my views on the interview pretty well. Here’s a short excerpt:

Further update: This talk was flabby and Tucker blew this opportunity. Given that Putin often does 3-4 hour press sessions, and Tucker said there was no time limit, Tucker ran out of gas due to his difficulty in engaging effectively with Putin, as contrasted with the Stone interviews. Putin shut it down and Tucker didn’t offer any reason to continue: “Shall we end here, or is there anything else?”
I don’t think Tucker was knowledgeable enough nor did he compensate with preparation. He appeared ignorant of many key issues germane to Putin’s decisions to invade, such at the US refusing to give written responses to Russian proposals in 2021, Zelensky asking for nukes in the February 2022 Munich Security Conference, and Ukraine increasing shelling of Donbass then as it was also massing troops. He might have been able to banter with Putin during his discussion of NATO expansion, for instance, but Tucker exhibited almost no independent point of view or meaningful preparation.
Further thoughts: Tucker’s translator was nowhere near as good as the one in the Oliver Stone series. The translations often had stilted sentence structures and awkward pacing, which may accurately replicate Russian grammar but is not English-friendly. The translator in the Stone interviews was a young man who sat next to Putin….as in provided by the Russian government, and Stone did the voice-over much later (Stone noted that one way the Western press set out to diminish Putin was via ugly-voiced translators).

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/02/tucker-carlson-interview-of-vladimir-putin.html
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve voiced my own opinion in favor of him having conducted it, but he was very unprepared and isn’t a very good interviewer or communicator (like Oliver Stone, for example). I’m not sure that in the end it will have done much good, and will be classified as either “preaching to the choir” or “giving Evil Vlad a platform to spew his propaganda.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2024 21:21 utc | 109

The Russian President was having some fun while making a serious point. Are you not entertained?
Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 9 2024 18:34 utc | 70
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Yeah, that was a great little moment.
VVP not only reminded viewers that he is an insider and knows a lot more than they, plus he reported himself as talking to Zelensky in an avuncular tone, using a nickname, Volodya. Basically putting the immature Zelensky in his place.
Little Volodya sure should have paid attention to his Uncle Vladimir Vladimirovich.
I also liked that Putin suggested that Tucker ask his own politicians for answers rather than asking Putin what he thinks they think or what he thinks their motivations are. Those were all points for Putin on the score card, with the sly implication that you can’t get real answers out of American politicians, plus that the press is actually less free in the USA than in Russia.
I also liked the way Putin used his hands to help convey/illustrate his points. He actually gesticulated quite a lot!
Regarding Tucker’s inadequate preparation, I suspect there is not a single member of his staff who knows enough to look for and find a few of Putin’s sessions with the press and public so that TC could do some genuine preparation. Tucker was almost purely on “broadcast,” not on “receive.” TC showed no real curiosity about either his host or Russia.
He could have started out with warmth and empathy, telling Putin how much he looked forward to the conversation; how much he enjoyed the Bolshoi Ballet performance of whatever it was he saw, and the magnificent theatre. A few pleasantries to break the ice. You know, basic manners . . . He should not have chosen a tie with yellow stripes on it.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110

Scorpion @ 107
Thanks for that, and i totaly agree with all you have added.
Respect
Ps great to be pulling on the same rope.
And same direction.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 21:28 utc | 111

is how competent Putin appears in comparison to the disaster that is Biden.
That alone will change many minds.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 9 2024 14:16 utc | 20
To be fair a carrot is more competent than the demented pipe bomber.
Yes very competent. Powers of magnitude moreso than any western leader. Those who watch will have set themselves in the right direction anyways

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:30 utc | 112

In response to

He should not have chosen a tie with yellow stripes on it.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110

Good catch Jane! How interesting, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:31 utc | 113

Carlson is on the Red team side and not on the side of the American public….sad

psychohistorian @ 106
No one is on the side of the American public they’ll have to get off their butts like in 1776 and take control back, the fight being peddled in the USA btwn left and right, Dems and Trump GOP, is the choice between trying to recoup and make a friend of Russia to fight China, or fighting them both. Which ever way you turn in America today, RFKjr, Tulsi, Bernie, the Squad, Tucker, Trump, etc etc all you see is people with their heads up their ass. That’s the long and short of it, it’s like a doctor telling you you have three months to live and hoping beyond hope a shark cartilage enema is going to save you.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:31 utc | 114

Yes very competent. Powers of magnitude moreso than any western leader.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:30 utc | 112
The ‘West’ has politicians not leaders. A world of difference. Carlson for the first time met a leader.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:32 utc | 115

Peter AU1 @ 115

The ‘West’ has politicians not leaders. A world of difference. Carlson for the first time met a leader.

Nice.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:38 utc | 116

Tom @ 109
In fairness to Carlson we dont know what restrictions Putin put on the interview before hand when negotations for it were taking place with Carlsons team.
Id guese the whole format was their stipulation. (Russia)
Putin interviews are as rare as hens teeth on a one to one with a jurno. Not least a yanky one.
Anyway we may never know that background, Carson pulled off a major scoop and would be glad to grab it and run.
Much respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 21:40 utc | 117

Well that Biden presser to reassure us on Biden’s memory, after latest DoJ report on his fading memory, was something… O_O
Article 25 yet? There’s no one flying the plane! Who holds the football? No one to Hail Mary Pass to Our Lady — what’s her name?
Aaaaargh! >.< Please, send my regards to President Sisi of Mexico. Love, Old Glory

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 9 2024 21:41 utc | 118

You can watch it here: https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/02/09/310187.html
Posted by: S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99
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Thanks. Watched the “after interview.”
Tucker really has to up his game if he wants to be taken seriously as a pundit of any kind. Quit all the ridiculous exaggerated cliches, etc., which are just misleading.
He has not shown that he is actually a thinker. Politically he sounds pathetically naive.
And it is a cheap trick to keep talking about Putin’s emotions: “wounded”; “angry.” Deeply annoying to me.
It is pretty disrespectful and clueless for a protected frat boy like Tucker to breezily think his take on Putin’s emotions is a subject of importance, the supposed emotions of a man who has seen in his life what Putin has seen and experienced (starting with loss by starvation of his brother in the Siege of Leningrad) and who bears the enormous responsibility of steering the RF on a safe course—to think that armchair psychologizing of someone like Putin is appropriate, that is IMO the grossest impertinence.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:42 utc | 119

Please, send my regards to President Sisi of Mexico. Love, Old Glory
Posted by: titmouse | Feb 9 2024 21:41 utc | 118
That was an interesting one. While Putin was Giving Carlson a history lesson, Biden was saying Mexico, president Sisi of Mexico should open its borders to Gaza.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:43 utc | 120

Good catch Jane! How interesting, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:31 utc | 113
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In the “after interview” video the darker stripes actually look like navy blue, not black. Was this some kind of little frat-boy-level joke?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:50 utc | 121

It’s simultaneously revealing a bad memory while attesting to conspiring with Netanyahu, and attempting coercion on Sisi, for ethnic cleansing. And we’re not even a month away from the ICJ result! Nicaragua’s case against USA at the ICJ ticks another bit of evidence. O_O

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 9 2024 21:50 utc | 122

Joe Rogan should get Putin on.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:51 utc | 123

Joe Rogan should get Putin on.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:51 utc | 124

Joe Rogan should get Putin on.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:51 utc | 124
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Great idea!
Rogan in Moscow.
Or St. Petersburg.
Anyone can get a visa.
If he can’t interview Putin he can interview someone else—his own Russian counterpart, Solovyev. What fun that would be!

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:56 utc | 125

The imbecility of some immersed in the colors of an ordinary tie…..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:57 utc | 126

Inresponse to

In the “after interview” video the darker stripes actually look like navy blue, not black. Was this some kind of little frat-boy-level joke?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:50 utc | 121

Yes Jane, empire exceptionalist males would do the tie color scheme just to show they could get away with it and Putin did not rise to the bait of making it into something….Alpha males are very hurt humans and project that hurt onto others.
I agree with Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:51 utc | 124 about a Joe Rogan interview with Putin might be more interesting and useful to society.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:57 utc | 127

Tucker: I want to join the CIA!
CIA: No, you can’t. But we have a job for you.

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 9 2024 22:01 utc | 128

It’s a pity Carlson’s after the interview video is behind a paywall otherwise a much larger audience would get to see it. I have seen a few short sections of that video and to Carlson’s credit, it has used the interview as a learning experience.
Carlson gets the highest number of views and viewers in the US, so I’m with james on this that the interview was an important event.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 19:58 utc | 87
The link is here although I think it has already been posted.
https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/02/09/310187.html
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Carlson makes a few good points and, if you ignore his amateur psychology assessment of the Russian President, then it’s worth noting:
1. Carlson debunks the whole “Russia is going to invade [fill in the blank]”; he does so by simple demography and such. Russia is a gigantic, under-populated country, with magnificent resources and an incredibly diverse population. They need more territory like they need a hole in the head. It’s rather like the argument as to why Canada is unlikely to invade Greenland.
2. Carlson is incredulous but admits, reluctantly, that the Russian President has left the door open for peace negotiations. I don’t think Carlson really has understood how the threat of Ukraine in NATO, NATO weapons on the Russian border, yadda yadda, the failure of the collective West (primarily NATO regimes) to respect Russian security interests, has all led to the current situation. Remember he started the interview with the astoundingly stupid claim that Putin/Russia was afraid of a NATO invasion (paraphrased) and the Russian President had to patiently explain to him that that wasn’t the case.
3. This is the best one. Carlson asks, “Where are the lunatics?” ha ha. Quite a clever way to put the question of making sense of a complicated international political situation. And he gets it right. The blob. Washington. The US government. We are the lunatics. He addresses this in an interesting way by pointing out that a Russia with a weak leadership is a dangerous country. The largest nuclear stockpile in the world in the hands of a disorganized massive state is the problem.
I’ve never heard this argument made against hegemonic American pretensions but it makes perfect sense; it’s merely a different version of the Chinese idea of “win-win” couched in smart-Alec frat boy terminology.
So good on Carlson. His realisation here is just priceless. It’s Pogo saying “I’ve seen the enemy and he is us.”
So the most dangerous part of the interview isn’t in the interview. It’s this realisation after the fact by the interviewer. ha ha.

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 9 2024 22:26 utc | 129

There’s a certain conceit in expecting Putin to talk down to the average Joe the Plumber, he’s not running for POTUS.
Those following Tucker will be expecting a commentary in the typical easily digestible form from him.
I am here because I have no interest in any of the lies from MSM. That Western MSM will spin this is a given.
Why anyone here needs to state the obvious is beyond comprehension.

Posted by: Suresh | Feb 9 2024 22:35 utc | 130

Carlson came over as an outstandingly good interviewer.
To be a good interviewer you have to be a good listener, Calson scored ten out of ten on that.
Most jurnos ask a question and interupt incesantly. You know that.
This was real journalism, as he said in the preamble.
Monumental.
Well done both.
Watch it and think for your self. Instead of being told what to think.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 22:43 utc | 131

What depressive and lethargic interview with a bored & spiritless TC.
Putin like always sink into monologues
Nothingburger

Posted by: SlowSoft | Feb 9 2024 22:57 utc | 132

Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:

U.S. — Journalists across the country expressed a combination of outrage and confusion after a video surfaced online of a journalist doing journalism.
According to sources, the video, posted on social media platform X, shows known journalist Tucker Carlson wilfully and recklessly engaging in actual journalism without any regard for the damage that may be caused by such a wanton display.
“We’re not sure what this guy thinks he’s doing,” said one New York Times columnist who asked to remain anonymous. “He’s out here investigating and searching for the truth and interviewing world leaders on important geopolitical topics. Wild, unrestrained journalism. It’s dangerous, really. Digging for information and conducting interviews and just… reporting what he’s learned and putting it out there for people to see it? Are you serious?!”
With Carlson’s much-anticipated interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin soon to be released to the public, mainstream journalists prepared for the worst. “I wouldn’t even know what to do in that situation,” said one CNN correspondent under the condition of anonymity. “Look, I’m a journalist, but at no point would I ever entertain the notion of, you know… doing journalism. That’s beyond the pale. I don’t think anyone could predict the consequences of doing such a thing. This Tucker guy is insane.”
At publishing time, journalists throughout the media industry were sheltering in place in preparation for the Putin interview, unsure if the world as they knew it would even exist the following day after a journalist threw caution to the wind and did journalism.

Speaking of ‘insane’, the same publication broke this story:

Man Ruled Too Senile To Stand Trial Still Fine To Run Country
U.S. — Special Counsel Robert Hur will not recommend charges for Biden’s mishandling of classified documents on the grounds that he’s too old and senile to stand trial.
“I mean, seriously, have you seen that guy?” said Hur to reporters. “I tried to ask him questions and he attempted to put my notepad in his mouth. The dude is totally zonked out for sure. I mean, we all knew this, right?”
In spite of the report detailing Biden’s late-stage dementia, the Special Counsel confirmed Biden is just fine to continue running the country. “Oh yeah, that’s no problem,” he said. “You heard the Press Secretary. He’s so active and alert no one can keep up with him! Impressive!”
When reporters approached the President for a statement, Biden responded by attempting to put the microphone in his mouth.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:08 utc | 133

Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:

U.S. — Journalists across the country expressed a combination of outrage and confusion after a video surfaced online of a journalist doing journalism.
According to sources, the video, posted on social media platform X, shows known journalist Tucker Carlson wilfully and recklessly engaging in actual journalism without any regard for the damage that may be caused by such a wanton display.
“We’re not sure what this guy thinks he’s doing,” said one New York Times columnist who asked to remain anonymous. “He’s out here investigating and searching for the truth and interviewing world leaders on important geopolitical topics. Wild, unrestrained journalism. It’s dangerous, really. Digging for information and conducting interviews and just… reporting what he’s learned and putting it out there for people to see it? Are you serious?!”
With Carlson’s much-anticipated interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin soon to be released to the public, mainstream journalists prepared for the worst. “I wouldn’t even know what to do in that situation,” said one CNN correspondent under the condition of anonymity. “Look, I’m a journalist, but at no point would I ever entertain the notion of, you know… doing journalism. That’s beyond the pale. I don’t think anyone could predict the consequences of doing such a thing. This Tucker guy is insane.”
At publishing time, journalists throughout the media industry were sheltering in place in preparation for the Putin interview, unsure if the world as they knew it would even exist the following day after a journalist threw caution to the wind and did journalism.

Speaking of ‘insane’, the same publication broke this story:

Man Ruled Too Senile To Stand Trial Still Fine To Run Country
U.S. — Special Counsel Robert Hur will not recommend charges for Biden’s mishandling of classified documents on the grounds that he’s too old and senile to stand trial.
“I mean, seriously, have you seen that guy?” said Hur to reporters. “I tried to ask him questions and he attempted to put my notepad in his mouth. The dude is totally zonked out for sure. I mean, we all knew this, right?”
In spite of the report detailing Biden’s late-stage dementia, the Special Counsel confirmed Biden is just fine to continue running the country. “Oh yeah, that’s no problem,” he said. “You heard the Press Secretary. He’s so active and alert no one can keep up with him! Impressive!”
When reporters approached the President for a statement, Biden responded by attempting to put the microphone in his mouth.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:08 utc | 134

SlowSoft @ 132
You’l be american i take it.
Try tic tock ha ha ha.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:09 utc | 135

SlowSoft @ 132
You’l be american i take it.
Try tic tock ha ha ha.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:09 utc | 136

SlowSoft @ 132
You’l be american i take it.
Try tic toc ha ha ha.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:10 utc | 137

Some more commentary for those interested:
Published by Alexander Dugin today: https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/putins-munich-speech-a-turning-point
wherein he references an earlier work, Putin vs Putin available here:
https://ia801607.us.archive.org/32/items/dugin_202303/Putin%20vs%20Putin.pdf
From which a blurb:

Vladimir Putin Viewed from the Right
According to Prof Alexander Dugin, Vladimir Putin stands at a crossroads. Throughout his career as the President of Russia, Putin has attempted to balance two opposing sides of his political nature: one side is a liberal democrat who seeks to adopt Western-style reforms in Russia and maintain good relations with the United States and Europe, and the other is a Russian patriot who wishes to preserve Russia’s traditions and reassert her role as one of the great powers of the world. According to Dugin, this balancing act cannot go on if Putin wishes to enjoy continuing popular support among the Russian people. Putin must act to preserve Russia’s unique identity and sovereignty in the face of increasing challenges, both from Russian liberals at home and from foreign powers. Russia is no longer strong enough to stand on her own, he writes. In order to do this, Russia must cooperate with other dissenting powers who oppose the new globalist order of liberalism to bring about a multipolar world, in which no single nation wields supreme power, but rather several major powers keep each other in balance. Russia is crucial to this effort, in Dugin’s view, and indeed, its own survival as a unique and independent civilisation is dependent on a geopolitical shift away from the unipolar world represented by America’s unchecked supremacy. This fascinating book, written by an informal advisor to Putin and a Kremlin insider, is the first of its kind in English.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:24 utc | 138

Some more commentary for those interested:
Published by Alexander Dugin today: https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/putins-munich-speech-a-turning-point
wherein he references an earlier work, Putin vs Putin available here:
https://ia801607.us.archive.org/32/items/dugin_202303/Putin%20vs%20Putin.pdf
From which a blurb:

Vladimir Putin Viewed from the Right
According to Prof Alexander Dugin, Vladimir Putin stands at a crossroads. Throughout his career as the President of Russia, Putin has attempted to balance two opposing sides of his political nature: one side is a liberal democrat who seeks to adopt Western-style reforms in Russia and maintain good relations with the United States and Europe, and the other is a Russian patriot who wishes to preserve Russia’s traditions and reassert her role as one of the great powers of the world. According to Dugin, this balancing act cannot go on if Putin wishes to enjoy continuing popular support among the Russian people. Putin must act to preserve Russia’s unique identity and sovereignty in the face of increasing challenges, both from Russian liberals at home and from foreign powers. Russia is no longer strong enough to stand on her own, he writes. In order to do this, Russia must cooperate with other dissenting powers who oppose the new globalist order of liberalism to bring about a multipolar world, in which no single nation wields supreme power, but rather several major powers keep each other in balance. Russia is crucial to this effort, in Dugin’s view, and indeed, its own survival as a unique and independent civilisation is dependent on a geopolitical shift away from the unipolar world represented by America’s unchecked supremacy. This fascinating book, written by an informal advisor to Putin and a Kremlin insider, is the first of its kind in English.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:24 utc | 139

Mark2 @ 131

Carlson came over as an outstandingly good interviewer. To be a good interviewer you have to be a good listener, Calson scored ten out of ten on that.

Outstanding? You are referencing from the low bar of modern media, you are either young or need to get out more. Tucker had the good sense to not go into this with an aggressive gotchu infotainment style, and to his credit that was never really his shtick, a sophomoric scope was always his limitation not crudeness, the lethal combination of modern anglo political interviewers. The Russians gave him the interview because of that, they knew he was ultimately a well mannered rich boy. I’m thinking Afshin Rattansi might have juggled the right combination of aggressive, informed, and polite, or Liu Xin, but I have the hots for her, and neither would be viewed by the sheeple of the Empire.
Maybe after this blockbuster Putin will catch the self-promotion bug? After Joe Rogan can we hope for Putin to go on Jimmy Dore?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 23:28 utc | 140

Thankyou Posted by: Surferket | Feb 9 2024 7:27 utc | 319
In previous post for transcript.
My reading. Selective obviously.
I already said we don’t need Carlson interview here to know what Putin thinks.
Also Dugin told us what this guy s about. It’s as much a message to Russians as the Yanks.
It is election year. Obviously Puts n is electioneering!
But there is something about the dog that barked in the interview!
It s about the global conflict against The Money. Without putting a J or Z label on it.
A trap set for Putin by the assassin interviewer they sent.
A bit sarcastic obviously. But I don’t appreciate Tuckers pedigree. As iI don’t trust any gunslinger brought up in the Media Moguls stable. (Eg Morgan)
Here is my selective reading, starting with my bug bear that Lenin wasn’t the saint he is worshipped as by some.
“For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR. And again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands, together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine.”
bark.
VVP states it straight away. There was something wrong with the Bolsheviks from the start!
That’s the TD;LR of my reading of the interview in the post.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:30 utc | 141

“Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine the Great and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever. Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to the Russian Empire. That territory was the size of 3 to 4 regions of modern Ukraine, with no Black Sea region. That was completely out of the question.”
This is an ancient battle!
“And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainization. “
bark.
“So in this sense, we have every reason to affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin’s will.”
bark!
“After all, the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time…”
BARK
“Help should be given to unified Germany, but a new system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and other Central European countries. But NATO needs not to expand.”
CANADA !!???? WTF! He said Canada!
“Yanukovych agreed to all conditions, he was ready to hold an early election, which he had no chance of winning frankly speaking. Everyone knew that. Then, why the coup? Why the victims? Why threatening Crimea? Why launching an operation in Donbas? This I do not understand.”
Lol bark.
WHY?? Another ‘inexplicable’ lol. VVP playing ..but he says it
“in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared,’”
BARK.
What else appeared in the early C19th? I say Zionism.
“In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States because the United States controls all the world’s media and many European media. The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions.”
BARK BARK.
“the world should be a single whole. Security should be shared rather than a meant for the golden billion.”
BAAAAARRRRRKKKK.
DOES HE NEED A SPELL IT OUT?
‘Why did the United States do this? My only guess is self conceit.’
Yup. Read my lips moment. The Money folk OVEREXTENDED AND FICKED UP THE RESERVE DOLLAR. THEY. DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE US.
“Do you even realize what is going on or not? Does anyone in the United States realize this. What are you doing? You are cutting yourself off. All experts say this. Ask any intelligent and thinking person in the United States what the dollar means for the US. But you are killing it …”
“this is inevitable. This will keep happening. It is like the rays of the sun. You cannot prevent the sun from rising. “
No matter how Implacable they claim to be.
They’re fucked and you know they are.
That’s why they sent you here!
“It is about the elites mindset,”
“The largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied, are applied against Russia. And we have become Europe’s first economy during this time”
Tucker ends up begging. Goading VVP into some religious AS! The judo master escapes.
“I don’t know… “
maybe a crap electoral system. Lol .
“There were many centers created and specialists on the Soviet Union who could not do anything else. They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia, to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi state entities, and to subdue them in a divided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China.”
Who? Vladimir who are They?
Tucker tries again “You’ve said you’re Orthodox. What does that mean for you? You are a Christian leader by your own description. So what effect does that have on you?”
VVP throws him a bone
“people who profess other religions. This is our strength. This is absolutely clear. And the fact is that the main postulates main values are very similar. Not to say the same in all the world religions I have just mentioned, and which are the traditional religions of the Russian Federation. By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and religion of those people who came into the Russian Empire.”
Tucker jumps straight onto it. Thinking he has got VVP
“Tucker: The one way in which the religions are different is that Christianity is specifically a nonviolent religion. Jesus says, turn the other cheek. Don’t kill. How can a leader who has to kill – of any country – how can a leader be a Christian? How do you reconcile that to yourself?”
Idiot. He has revealed his agenda.
Vvp slapsvbim down. It’s judo!
“It makes it possible for today’s golden billion to achieve good success in production, even in science and so on. There’s nothing wrong with that. I’m just saying that we kind of look the same.”
Ah the SHAPESHIFTERS get recognised as that by VVP!
Tucker really thins he has got Putin
“Tucker: So do you see the supernatural at work as you look out across what’s happening in the world now? Do you see God at work? Do you ever think to yourself, these are forces that are not human?”
lol- Putin says lizards are running the planet! – idiot tucker you ain’t as smart as you all think. He realises he can’t win and tries a new god to tempt VVP with – AI!
Putin smacks that down with genetic engineering/ bio warfare and tells him the genius Elon who Tucker is programmed by is seen for what he is.
Tucker throws his last dice. What about the poor imprisoned journalist? Putin does not even mention Assange. He doesn’t say he is just one of you. A trained CIA hood. Pretending.
Tucker ends up wailing and gnashing please just say you lost!
“Tucker: Would you be willing to say congratulations, NATO, you won and just keep the situation where it is now?”
“It would be funny if it were not so sad”says VVP to that request. Tucker involuntarily laughed. He knew he’d been bested.
“Why are the Ukrainian authorities dismantling the Ukrainian Orthodox Church? Because it brings together not only the territory. It brings together our souls.”
That is as near as he comes to saying it.
Thank you and goodnight.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:32 utc | 142

@: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:08 utc | 133
Enjoyed that!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 9 2024 23:42 utc | 143

That is as near as he comes to saying it.
Thank you and goodnight.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:32 utc | 140
===============
Saying what?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 23:52 utc | 144

Scorpion @ 133
It’s already been summed up in one word: “ASUFUTIMAEHAEHFUTBW”.
Joe Biden describes America in single word
“When you’re born into this world, you’re given a ticket to the freak show. If you’re born in America you get a front row seat.” – George Carlin

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 23:54 utc | 145

@Here is my selective reading, starting with my bug bear that Lenin wasn’t the saint he is worshipped as by some.
“For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR. And again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands, together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine.”
bark.
VVP states it straight away. There was something wrong with the Bolsheviks from the start!
That’s the TD;LR of my reading of the interview in the post.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:30 utc | 139
No1 No! No! Niet!
Not at all. Lenin had a spot of bother with Trotsky’s endless bickering one fine night – and it gave poor ol’ Lenin a bad bout of his intestinal dyspepsia …
… and in a fine fit of pique the following morning he signed a decree pushing Trotsky’s birthplace out of the Empire to get one over on his rival …!!!
… and look at the fine mess he created ….
Did Pres Putin look, act and speak like the DEMON as portrayed by Western Propaganda?
NIET! Maybe that was the purpose for the Western Audience?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 10 2024 0:00 utc | 146

Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110–
Your observations on the lack of proper preparation for this task are the best IMO on the thread so far. In a way, my whole substack since I started it last July is prep for the interview, at least all the Russian related articles are. I even did my own very short one article prep piece for my readers. But it’s done now and the next interviewer now has several examples of what to do and what not to do. As I replied to comments at my substack, the questions I’d have asked are very different and probably would have mostly ignored the SMO, but that’s me.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2024 0:04 utc | 147

Over 100 million views on X (former Twitter) alone.

Posted by: Suresh | Feb 10 2024 0:04 utc | 148

I note how some people here are down playing this interview, and some are saying one or other did well or not. According to their agenda. Dont over think this topic. Take it ast face value. It is what it is.
Reality and the truth.
Suck it up.
———
My repeated 3 comments were down to the spooks,
I was 503’d time out.
Someone is spying on this blog.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:13 utc | 149

Repost from me as well from the Ukraine thread
~*~
But the long preamble surprised me. Not footage aimed at a Western audience at all.
Puzzling.
Then I realised, that first segment wasn’t aimed at the West at all, It was aimed at Ukraine, Belarus, and the home (Russian) audience.
Posted by: scepticalSOB | Feb 9 2024 10:52 utc | 26
I had exactly the same reaction.
Further to the countries you mention, I would add that the audience Putin intended to reach is the 7 billion in the Global South, and of course people from the “golden billion” that will have the capacity to sit out the first “30 seconds or one minute” of history.
But I think the most important audience is history. This speech will most likely remain as a Hallmark in years to come of great statesmanship and the clarion call for global cooperation, particularly when juxtaposed to the current feeble leader of the US and the neurotic paroxysm of the ruling establishment cronies.
I think this interview drove the point home: we’re all in this together, we must cure the disease that prohibits the two hemispheres from working together, and the inevitable multipolar world is already a reality.
The era of the Empires is over

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 10 2024 0:14 utc | 150

Suresh @ 146

Over 100 million views on X (former Twitter) alone.

Views or clicks??? Views by same person in small bites? Views first 20min or all 2hrs? Views all 2hrs not concentrating while doing other shit, or interested and focused? Twitter would have the metrics on at least clicks and time spent, would be interesting to see that. Maybe Putin’s mom is at home clicking over and over as fast as she can? But yes, it’s a good sign that people are stirring and not totally in a propofol coma.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 10 2024 0:26 utc | 151

In response to

Over 100 million views on X (former Twitter) alone.
Posted by: Suresh | Feb 10 2024 0:04 utc | 146

Thanks for that data. It would be interesting know the country spread of the 100 million.
Reading that Occupied Palestine just got downgraded by Moody’s on a Friday adds to the weight of the weekend for those not directly engaged in the fighting and dying going on.
The US has the Super Bowl of American football this Sunday and rare are those Americans not entrapped by the event… I am not entrapped by the Hollywood show of Western aggression for profit….it would be a shame if geo-political events spoiled the show…../s
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and it beats following TV soap operas.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 0:30 utc | 152

Did Vladimiri Putin stipulate he should see and agee to this interveiws release beforehand ? Highly likely.
If its good enough for Vlad its good enough for me.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:33 utc | 153

It is election year. Obviously Puts n is electioneering!

Putins electioneering is very simple, Everyone wants to nuke everything, ONLY he not ..
Putin plays the considered, intelligent, weighing leader that say noo we do not nuke something. No one, except the gang around him and some right-wing idiots, understands why Russia have to nuke something. what a bullshitshow. But the russian electorate accpet this cheap show and the next 5 neoliberal yaers and the war will come ..
Reality is, this what we see, since 2 yaers, is a 100% russian problem, the neoliberal talkmaster can not keeping the russian house clean, this is all.
malo and great russian people accept foreign payments, accept foreign orders and with this the sully the russian house. and what do the Kremel talkmaster, he cry all the time, the west manipulates ukrain people. Putin do not understand that the people that accept the money are the problem and not the money from the West.

Posted by: theo | Feb 10 2024 0:40 utc | 154

Russia should invest further in local semiconductor manufacturing. $38 billion invested is sufficient but more must be done soon. Getting fabrication equipment by whatever means from the Netherlands should be a top priority.
No need to match 7nm or even 14nm anytime soon. Certainly no requirement to match 2nm which is Taiwan’s target. 28nm is what all military hardware needs. 28nm by 2027 is a good plan. Everything must be done to get there.
Since December 2023 Zombiden imposed further sanctions against banks that transact with Russia for transactions involving tech purchases.

Posted by: Jason | Feb 10 2024 0:41 utc | 155

That Marea Zarankova is real hot.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:46 utc | 156

Dugin’s latest.
https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/tucker-putin-and-the-apocalypse

Posted by: Suresh | Feb 10 2024 0:48 utc | 157

The Monsanto Prototype?
See a picture of the original “Ronald McDonald” as was used by
the burger chain …. old corporate mascots
Suspiciously strong resemblance to the neoliberal lunatic Milei
now head-banging around as President of Argentina.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 10 2024 0:49 utc | 158

Very entertaining comment thread with some observational gems. IMO, the ten year-old Dugin book scorpion linked to is out-of-date. Today’s Putin isn’t the Putin of 2008 after his first round as president.
Putin and his team have received the best and most unique on the job training possible in the grand scheme of geopolitics and domestic governance. And his team is allied with Xi Jinping’s team in China, while other national teams are falling in behind those two. Furthermore, the education Team Putin got prior to being called to duty was perhaps the best that could be had at the time anywhere. Putin’s knowledge of cognitive psychology was somewhat of a surprise but it wasn’t shocking, and it does make sense that a person being educated then trained to do the sort of tasks he did in KGB would have that knowledge and much more. Where the USSR failed was within the Communist Party and its inability to perform in several areas vital to any nation’s wellbeing: #1 being good governance that looks to solve the problems that always arise because they always do and they must be confronted and solved as best as can be done. USSR leaders failed to do that at all three levels of governance. The second great error was the poisoning of their own lands and people AND not giving a damn about it–a legacy that began in the 1920s. And the third was described by Xi Jinping as a form of nihilism spurred by the corruption within the Party and its insularity from those it was to govern. And learning from those failures has proven to be the best educational and motivational spur possible atop the depredations of the 1990s.
Of course, none of that was expressed in the interview, but it was there just the same. And that’s part of the overall Russianness that only a Russian will know. Yes, we can learn what the attributes are, but we cannot feel it as we are not Russian. IMO, S and other Russian barflies will know what I mean.
Now I’ll need to watch the post-interview video as reports indicate it contains some relevant context.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2024 0:57 utc | 159

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2024 21:21 utc | 109
Contrary to TC running out of steam, I found the build up towards, and the very end of the session, most appropriate, profound, and even subconsciously fortuitous by both persons, especially Putin’s final sentence: “No-one will be able to seperate the soul” — being the coda to his story about the spiritual oneness of the Ukrainian and Russian people. I sat there, momentarily thinking, there could be nothing further said. Then VP said “Shall we end here, or is there anything else?”, to which TC said “No, I think that’s great”.
Imo, Putin left Carlson somewhat speechless. It would have been crass in the extreme to then lower that reverent tone back into dumbarse mundane matters. I salute Carlson for letting those be the final words in the interview.
Carlson himself steered his last few questions into the philosphical, religious, personal domains. Putin actually pointed this out, and the tone subsequently became more hushed and peaceful.
If TC did run out of steam (ie, probing issues) it was in the middle sections due to his scattered threads and jumpy interruptions. But Carlson is who he is and who his culture has made him. He did the best he could do against the world’s most challenging interview subject. He was, for 2 hours, an open but imperfect pipeline from RF to West, and for that the world should be grateful.

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:02 utc | 160

Did Vladimiri Putin stipulate he should see and agee to this interveiws release beforehand ? Highly likely.
If its good enough for Vlad its good enough for me.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:33 utc | 151
In fact, unlikely. Carlson has stated that questions were not pre-vetted (off course there might have been some no-go zones). As a sound engineer, I detect that post-edits were ONLY to do with translation timings and facial variation. It was a 3 camera shoot, with video only cut and mixed to allow a continuous soundtrack, meaning that nothing that VP or TC said was touched. Why would they? Putin says what he means. No need for hiding stuff. All other such bullshit is for fearful controlling Western MSM.

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:16 utc | 161

@karlof!: yes, it’s out of date, but Dugin posted it today for a reason. I think it provides good background of the sort of pressures Putin has to balance as President as well as the foundations of the multipolarity movement which is now blossoming quite nicely. He gets a lot of criticism from the conservative right these days; they think he is holding back in Ukraine and might be a traitor. In any case, I think he is right that that 2007 speech is one for the ages. That’s when I started paying attention to him, for sure.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 1:18 utc | 162

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:32 utc | 140
“And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainization. “ bark. ………………
“in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared,’”
BARK.
What else appeared in the early C19th? I say Zionism.
“In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States because the United States controls all the world’s media and many European media. The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions.”

You often make great posts but that one takes the cake!
Not sure about the early 19th Century Zionism though. I extracted Ch 11 of Myers Cosmopolitan Empire (bark!) which includes a little-known but revealing text by Marx called ‘The Russian Loan’. He describes a vast network of Jewish bankers who in a short time in the 1850’s could put together a huge 100,000,000 ruble loan. One person would delegate to 10 and each in turn until very quickly in all major nations dozens of small contributors, including individual aristo investor-clients, would contribute and voila: one hundred million quickly raised.
This shows
a) a vast, responsive international network
b) exceptional communications
c) high degree of trust.
Regarding c) this would also include enforcement both for an entire nation defaulting or individuals not honoring commitments or getting impatient etc.
One of their vectors is secret societies. We think of them as subversive operations to foment revolutions as happened in France and Russia; but they also keep their members in line, binding them in Darkness. The Russian Loan piece within the Chapter on Marx linked below evidences an extraordinary network far beyond the capacity of any nation state at the time. This is not conspiracy per se rather rarely revealed logistical / methodological information.
This network, IMO, goes beyond mere finance. Like the fungal networks in the plant kingdom, it’s a hidden symbiotic component without which the entire ecosystem perishes – perhaps why creating a new financial system is not as simple as setting up a new currency.
(Although Zionism had been around for a while, one of the biggest expansions into Israel happened when Stalin turned on the tribe in Russia. Thousands left their houses unlocked and streamed into the streets leaving Moscow en masse, many ending up in the Promised Land not long after.)
http://tinyurl.com/22fzz8ns.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 1:22 utc | 163

@Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 23:52 utc | 142
‘Saying what?’
Umm …It’s the Khazarians who in that whole historical exposition that he doesn’t mention or name directly as the villains !
Or as I portray it : the dog that DID bark in the night direct statements. Putin actually alluded it to it constantly. I pointed out when.
You may notice Gaza wasn’t mentioned once by either interlocutor. Interesting no?
It was a masterful display by both sides on the world stage of narrative control.
Putin and Russia won. Western media sent their best and will have to reap the whirlwind they sowed.
A billion people will view this.
Billions more will get to know about it.
Not a single person on my Friday night social evening in London knows anything about it. There is a purdah on it in the msm. There is going to be a bit of hangover moment coming down the line as they suddenly wonder what happened? America is supposed to be the most powerful nation!
Some listened to me. They may even go look it up tonight or over the weekend.
The world turned.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 10 2024 1:25 utc | 164

mtw | Feb 9 2024 16:44 utc | 50

I have read many of Putin’s speeches (thank you karlof) but watching the interview last night it finally dawned on me that Putin is on the autistic spectrum.

Back in 2008, Brenda Connors prepared a report (pdf) for the US Secretary of Defense which argued that Putin had (“suffered from” in her words) Asperger’s Syndrome.
My favourite part is where Connor describes Asperger’s (since folded into the broader autism spectrum) as being stuck in the “reptilian stage of development”. Not a theory I’ve encountered outside this paper.
Putin and the Russian government denied that he had Asperger’s, for what it’s worth.
Perhaps Putin is part of what’s called the broader autism phenotype, often found in close relatives of autistic people, where a person displays some autistic-like traits, but not enough to qualify for a diagnosis.
Of course, trying to diagnose people at a distance is frowned upon (for good reason), so this is all just idle speculation.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 1:30 utc | 165

S | Feb 9 2024 20:36 utc | 97

Had Russia produced a TV series about Russian history with some dragons and necromancers added here and there, as well as lots and lots of arbitrary and totally unnecessary sex scenes, the U.S. audience would have become hooked on the intricacies of the succession wars in the Ancient Rus’, waiting for the next week’s episode with bated breath: will Olga really burn the entire city of Iskorosten’ to the ground in the season finale? (Spoiler: she will.)

I would totally watch that. They could even leave out the dragons and necromancers.
Unless, of course, it was a Netflix production. Given their recent forays into historical drama, not even arbitrary and totally unnecessary sex scenes could save it.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 1:31 utc | 166

Dugin’s Latest.
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Posted by: Suresh | Feb 10 2024 0:48 utc | 155

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:32 utc | 167

Below is a Putin quote from the Carlson/Putin interview

As for religion in general.
You know, it’s not about external manifestations, it’s not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor. It is in the heart. And our culture is so human-oriented. Dostoevsky, who is very well known in the West as the genius of Russian culture, Russian literature, spoke a lot about this, about the Russian soul.
After all, Western society is more pragmatic. Russian people think more about the eternal, about moral values. I don’t know, maybe you won’t agree with me, but Western culture is more pragmatic after all.
I’m not saying this is bad, it makes it possible for today’s “golden billion” to achieve good success in production, even in science, and so on. There’s nothing wrong with that, I’m just saying that we kind of look the same, but our minds are built a little differently.

I decided to look up the term pragmatic and will only provide the first two definitions from my unabridged dictionary
Pragmatic
1. (a) busy; active; (b) practical.
2. pragmatical; meddlesome, officious, conceited, etc.
I believe that Russia was implying the 2nd definition of the term pragmatic which fits the God Of Mammon cult and its followers quite accurately.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:36 utc | 168

Below is another Carlson/Putin Q/A that must have set Tucker on his heals given Putin’s answer

Tucker Carlson: So do you see the supernatural at work? As you look out across what’s happening in the world now, do you see God at work? Do you ever think to yourself: these are forces that are not human?
Vladimir Putin: No, to be honest, I don’t think so. My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are. It’s always been this way in the history of mankind. Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to. There is probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with Genghis Khan and the Horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire.
It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind. Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population. In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and began to develop economically, as we would say today. This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans. However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart. The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:40 utc | 169

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:40 utc | 167
I have such respect for President Putin. Can you imagine Biden giving such a response? I doubt even the Donald could do so. I am sure neither of them could.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 170

@ S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99
thanks!
@ 87 peter au… when one thinks of the number of people who are exposed to this video – that in itself is a major accomplishment, even if carlson is way out of his depth..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 2:03 utc | 171

@ lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 168
ditto! and you are absolutely right about biden and trump never being able to muster any type of response anywhere near anything like that! biden and trump are a couple of hopeless blowhards and propagandists and nothing much more..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 2:05 utc | 172

“Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:”
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:08 utc | 133
The Onion?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:26 utc | 173

And now it’s time for a musical interlude.
Although it’s Canada hour on the open thread we’d like to dedicate this song to our American friends.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:33 utc | 174

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:32 utc | 165
Thank you. I’ve been on a Dugin kick this week.
The article you linked is so short I pasted it in below. The man who runs Arktos Journal whose substack regularly publishes Dugin articles has written a book called ‘Esoteric Trumpism’, so it seems the coterie around Dugin are actively courting American conservatives as kindred spirits – which they are in so many ways. This in part explains Dugin’s take and view about who Tucker Carlson is, what he represents in the US political landscape. This blurb from one of his videos:

In this third episode of Werewolf, we welcome Arktos’ very own Constantin von Hoffmeister to ask him about his first book, Esoteric Trumpism, which explores the deeper culture-historical, political-philosophical and mythopoeic background of the Trump phenomenon. In Esoteric Trumpism, von Hoffmeister, educated and well-travelled in America, but dedicated to an Old World ‘long durée’ perspective on the typically New World phenomenon of Trump, reveals the larger historical forces at work in the irresistible rise, contrived fall and anticipated comeback of the Trump character. Thus, Trump, brash billionaire, cunning orator and golden boy poster child for all things American, is revealed as a larger-than-life force fitting the impending denouement of Hegelian World Spirit dialectics — and an authentic expression of Faustian America stepping across its final frontier.

https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/werewolf-podcast-3-constantin-von?publication_id=1990457&post_id=141492895&isFreemail=true&r=1w3p2m
Now the Dugin article:

Dugin: Putin showed in an interview that it is necessary to communicate with the West in a meaningful way
Dugin: Putin showed in an interview that it is necessary to communicate with the West in a meaningful way
MOSCOW, Feb 9 – RIA Novosti. The interview of Russian President Vladimir Putin to American journalist Tucker Carlson is aimed at a Western audience who knows nothing about Russian history so that they understand that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, therefore such lessons are important and in general communication with the West should become more meaningful, philosopher Alexander Dugin told RIA Novosti.
Tucker Carlson published an interview with Putin on his website on Friday night, Moscow time, and then posted it on the social network X and on YouTube. In about 9 hours, the number of video views in X exceeded 70 million, and in YouTube – 3.1 million. The interview was also published on the Kremlin’s website. Weapons of mass enlightenment. Putin gave an interview to Tucker Carlson
“I believe that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin’s interview with American journalist Tucker Carlson was a historic event,” Dugin said. According to him, what makes this interview so is not even what the president said, but the fact that it became a breakthrough due to the incredible popularity in American society of Tucker Carlson, who is “actually considered the number one figure of the American conservative majority.”
He noted that this is a very correct move on the part of the Russian president, since the official globalist media, the elite and the ruling circles of Western society “will not hear, understand, believe, broadcast, censor” his words anyway. “And Putin has found, perhaps, the only way in this situation, how to convey his understanding of the Ukrainian conflict, and our attitude towards the West, and the future of the world to the general public,” Dugin noted and called the interview the most successful event in media politics since the beginning of his career.
“This is the first, but fundamental step towards a different understanding of the West in general. The Western government is our enemies, we are at war with them, but Western society, Western peoples – they are not our enemies at all. And it is very important to address them, find access to them, find a way to them, explain Russia’s position,” Dugin believes. Putin’s call for peace scared the West more than the declaration of war
In addition, the philosopher called Putin’s interview “an appeal to the American people” and compared it to a “straight line” and “an appeal to the nation,” and its result, in his opinion, “will not be slow to affect.” In particular, he believes that the interview is a manifestation of support for the Republican majority supporting Donald Trump. “American conservatives, if you come to power, we will be able to save humanity from possible death, to which it is being pushed by globalist maniacs who seized power in Washington” – that’s what Putin broadcast, not so much in words as by the very fact of an interview with such a person,” Dugin noted.
“Of course, this conversation will go down in history, because it is possible that historians will later describe it as the event that helped to avoid a nuclear conflict,” he stressed.
Also, according to him, the historical part of the president’s answers was “brilliantly prepared”, convincingly presented with those things that Western viewers are completely unaware of. The Arab media saw Putin’s interview with Carlson as a message to the United States and the West
“Even the most objective, most attentive, most correct representatives of the West do not know anything about Russian history, about our peoples, about how everything developed, how the fate of the territories of the old lands developed. These are our old lands. Russian Russian people Ukraine is the old land of the Russian people, the united Russian people, which, of course, was divided into three historical branches, then joined, then somehow diverged. There were different stages. Russian Russians, for example, who at a certain point separated from the single body of the Russian people, then joined together, this is very important,” Dugin said.
He stressed that such history lessons are necessary and that Russia’s “communication” with the West should be just such a “meaningful” one.
“This is a brilliant example of how interviews and news releases should be organized. We need to talk in detail, we need to give historical examples, we need to make references to church history and philosophy. Putin has shown an example of how to talk to everyone in general, that is, thoroughly, convincingly, argumentatively, relying on serious sources,” the philosopher concluded.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 2:34 utc | 175

“Next to no one in America or on Twitter are going to watch it.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 9 2024 17:23 utc | 59”
On the scale of integers, 1 is next to 0. I’m curious to know how “next to” 0 do you consider 157 million in one day. And that’s not even counting views on his own site.
“He should not have chosen a tie with yellow stripes on it.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110”
I noticed that also, and the alternate stripes looked blue to me (but at least not light blue). Was he trying to subconsciously say he’s “slanted” toward Ukraine? Or does he not even own a plain neutral tie? Go buy one, Carlson, and wear it for your next interview.
One thing that confused me about Putin’s history lesson was that I thought I knew that Khrushchev ‘gave’ part of Russia to Ukraine, without bothering to ask the people who lived there what they wanted, and in this interview, Putin said that Lenin did that, and never mentioned Khrushchev at all. It’s hard to believe that Putin was wrong, but the alternative is that all my previous sources were wrong. It’s not an important point, but I’d like to know what the facts are.
“The US has the Super Bowl of American football this Sunday and rare are those Americans not entrapped by the event…
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 0:30 utc | 150”
Oh, is that happening again? Yawn. I didn’t know or care, so count me among the rare.
“Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:32 utc | 140
“And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainization. “ bark. ………………
“in the early 19th century, when the theorists of independence and sovereignty of Ukraine appeared,’”
BARK. [etc etc etc]
You often make great posts but that one takes the cake!
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 1:22 utc | 161”
Bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark…. I have no idea what his point was, and skipped to the next post about halfway through. Did I actually miss anything?
Finally, thank you for the transcript, karlof1, yours is the one I bookmarked, though I plan to read the one from http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411also.

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 176

The Putin interview was a history lesson. The gist if which is that Russia will be there long after the USA is gone.

Posted by: PeteV | Feb 10 2024 2:48 utc | 177

Meet the who’s who of the FUKUSA MIC…

Its members range from top-tier venture funds to corporate venture groups attached to defence primes [i.e. large armaments manufacturers, collectively known as the US military-industrial complex] to individuals with little knowledge of national security investing. While its membership is comprised of [sic] mostly US firms, there’s a growing contingent from the other two countries. Australia, which started its network about 18 months ago, has 40 members and the UK, whose DIN was created last March, has about 80.”

AT

How much is Australia profiting from the Gaza war?

DUK

BRITAIN ALWAYS SEEKS A PROFIT IN WARS

NCW

Reports Expose US Billionaires and Corporate Profiteers Enabling Israel’s War on Gaza

GT

Who stands to profit from Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

http://tinyurl.com/yc2utrnh
http://tinyurl.com/ypk3tdpr

Posted by: denk | Feb 10 2024 2:49 utc | 178

Ok … another ‘Putin Interview’ comment. It would be, in my opinion, the years best comedic 2 hours if Biden could somehow be convinced to do a reciprocal 2 hr, unscripted, no prior question screening interview with a Russian interviewer. Biden couldn’t do it. He just couldn’t. That is all at the same time, hilarious and terrifying. If Biden and Trump are the best of the best for the big chair, the america is, simply put, fucked.

Posted by: rgl | Feb 10 2024 2:51 utc | 179

Scorpion @ 173
Had me fooled for a while up thread.
Now your talking total bull shit.
You must be american. Try tic toc.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 2:52 utc | 180

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 2:34 utc | 173
Thank you for the Dugan article! It is nice to hear his view on this important event. So many have discounted the importance for this interview. It is really great that President Putin was able to communicate with the West. God bless Tucker Carlson for doing it. I know Oliver Stone did his interview earlier which went a bit deeper, but Tucker C’s has much more reach. Props to Tucker! Rock on!!
I think we’re totally f-ed and the zionists will blow up the world, but it’s nice to have a bit of a smile on a Friday night here in Pindosan.
Much love to the MoA community.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:55 utc | 181

I had shopping duties today, so I have only just now completed reading the Russian translation into very good english of Tucker Carlson’s interview of Putin, and I have to say my impression of the first question which I posted above, was soon followed by what I would call considerable rapport between the two.
I believe it became (thanks to Putin not responding as I said I would have done to the opening question) a very interesting conversation altogether, and I hope it will have a positive affect on any who take the time to consider it within the US public. Certain nuances were new to me; and I hope they were new to the US audience as well.
Well done to both of them. Mr. Carlson did not pursue an argumentative tone, in my opinion, but became a good foil for Putin to expand within on all his main points. I hope he too will feel it went well, as after that first question there was development of ideas within the interview, which both men enabled.
Well done.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 10 2024 2:56 utc | 182

Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174

One thing that confused me about Putin’s history lesson was that I thought I knew that Khrushchev ‘gave’ part of Russia to Ukraine, without bothering to ask the people who lived there what they wanted, and in this interview, Putin said that Lenin did that, and never mentioned Khrushchev at all. It’s hard to believe that Putin was wrong, but the alternative is that all my previous sources were wrong. It’s not an important point, but I’d like to know what the facts are.

Both Lenin and Krushchev gave parts of Russia to Ukraine — Lenin added the eastern and southern oblasts to Ukraine in 1922, and Krushchev added Crimea in 1954. Neither asked the people living in either region if they wanted to be part of the Ukraine.
Given where the war in Ukraine is currently being fought, Putin probably thought Lenin’s additions were more pertinent to explaining the situation Carlson was asking about. After all, Krushchev’s addition of Crimea had already been undone in 2014.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 2:57 utc | 183

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 2:57 utc | 181
Hasn’t Odessa also been a part of Russia historically, too?
Or maybe I just saw that in a movie with some scene on a staircase.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:05 utc | 184

Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174–
You’ll find they are the same as I announced in my comment. The only difference is mine is annotated via emphasis of the text and a few parenthetical comments. And of course there’s a separate comment thread that’s not as cumbersome as here.
psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:36 utc | 166-7–
Yes, weren’t those marvelous?! I emphasized both. Thanks for the pragmatic definition. When I read that, I flashed to the Pragmatism of James and Dewey. Now I’ll need to give that further thought.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2024 3:06 utc | 185

@ lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 168
ditto! and you are absolutely right about biden and trump never being able to muster any type of response anywhere near anything like that! biden and trump are a couple of hopeless blowhards and propagandists and nothing much more..
Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 2:05 utc | 170
Allow me to agree. People who think Trump is a solution for our problems are mistaken. No worse than Biden sure, but there isn’t a lot of room under Biden to squeeze through. If you know their history, you will see they are much alike: blowhards, womanizers, crooks, con-men, narcissists, greedy, angry when criticized, never showed a lick of interest in helping anybody but themselves. A particularly “american” type both of them, the USA has always been a magnet for crooks and grifters looking for new horizons. Politics here is and always has been the choice for ambitious mediocrities.
What surprised me with our political class is how cheap they sell themselves and everybody else out. Having read Mark Twain in my youth on the congress as it was > 100 years ago, I should not be surprised, but hope dies hard.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 3:10 utc | 186

@ Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174
Dyslexic maybe? LOTE? 🙂
Show me the data that proves how many watched the 2 hour interview.
Americans struggle to get through a south park episode.
Or a tiktok video even!
I recommend you get a clue and realise you are reading an international forum where the onus is mainly on you to understand what other people are saying, what it means, and why. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 10 2024 3:12 utc | 187

The interview video on Carlson’s twitter acc. 1.6 million views, 65k replies, 277k reposts, 892k likes, and bookmarked by 262k in just over 24 hours.
Carlsons following being mostly American, his content always aimed at American, most if not close to all the numbers in those stats will be American numbers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 10 2024 3:13 utc | 188

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 2:34 utc | 173
As you may detect, I have little respect for Dugin. He’s just a celebrity Cold War dinosaur in my books, pumped up by ideologue neo-Trotskists. Remember 2 years ago he was touted in Western MSM as “Putin’s Wizard Advisor”. Lol. That must have given VP a belly laugh. He’s nought but a well published hard left nationalist academic pundit with miniscule public support. Probably a good historian but certainly not a man of the times! I find his writings rather banal — and I’m not even Russian!!!
As regards his most recent synposis, as quoted above, from his ivory tower, he presumes that common Westerners will actually digest and benefit from Putin’s wise words. A few will, most won’t. The typical Russophobic MSM headlines will paraphrase, distort, propagandarise them into mush and irrelevance. Yes, thinking people will consider the interview, but it will be fish and chips next week as Taylor Swift buys a new top. The sad reality from which Philosopher Dugin is far removed. Carlson did his best, within the inevitable push back of his fraternal media culture.
And the funny thing is, more Russians will get the point of his 2 hour interview than Westerners because they are far more used to Putin’s long form talks of fact and logic. Dugin thinks and writes as a Russian academic, not as the intended audience of one Tucker Carlson!

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 3:14 utc | 189

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:05 utc | 182

Hasn’t Odessa also been a part of Russia historically, too?

Yes. That’s one of the southern oblasts I referred to that was added by Lenin.

Or maybe I just saw that in a movie with some scene on a staircase.

Battleship Potemkin (1925)?

Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 3:15 utc | 190

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2024 0:57 utc | 157
Thanks, karlof1. (Scrolling upwards, as I didn’t want to be influenced as I read the transcript.) On your final reflections – there was one comment Putin made that touched my soul:
“… We kind of look the same, but our minds are built a little differently…”
How kind that is, given all that has happened; and how expressive of gentle goodwill. And yet one knows there is steel within as well.
Another telling point was when he described the Ukrainian soldiers who facing defeat still cried out in perfect Russian: ‘Russians never surrender!’ And they did not. That epitomizes the paradox and tragedy of the current conflict, and he sees it and can give it voice as did someone else reporting it to him.
Takes my breath away.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 10 2024 3:21 utc | 191

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 3:14 utc | 187
I am sad about the fate of Dugan’s daughter.
Your post will make me dig a bit deeper into Dugan. I always thought he was like a modern Ivan Ilyin.
But what do I know?

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:31 utc | 192

Dalit,
:One thing that confused me about Putin’s history lesson was that I thought I knew that Khrushchev ‘gave’ part of Russia to Ukraine, without bothering to ask the people who lived there what they wanted, and in this interview, Putin said that Lenin did that, and never mentioned Khrushchev at all. It’s hard to believe that Putin was wrong, but the alternative is that all my previous sources were wrong. It’s not an important point, but I’d like to know what the facts are.”
++++++++++++++
I noticed that, too—no mention of Khrushchev “giving” I think it was Crimea to the Ukraine or at least making it a part of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in I think 1952. Putin did mention at one point that a number of relevant Soviet leaders at some point in his chronology came from the Ukraine. One of those was Khrushchev (although according to my Google Maps searching he came from a town just east of the actual Ukraine).
I don’t know who the others might have been—seems like Brezhnev also was born in the Ukraine. Also, Chernenko. Maybe someone here caught was Putin was implying about Soviet politicians from the Ukraine—how that would affect later events.
Historical reminder:
U S S R stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
The Soviet Republic of Ukraine was one of the founding republics of the USSR, in 1922.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2024 4:01 utc | 193

Looks like Chinese elites are fucking Russia up.

Posted by: Qarmen | Feb 10 2024 4:09 utc | 194

@ Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 3:10 utc | 184
thanks… i really do have to read some mark twain, as opposed to the passing quotes i see which i love… and do believe me when i say it isn’t much different here in canada… a rebel news reporter asked trudeau about the quote from putin on the nazi being applauded by the canadian parliament… trudeau evaded the question.. all he could come up with was russian propaganda.. the guy is essentially brain dead… polly the cracker is our other lead contender – another completely self serving hopeless case.. here is the video if you want to see it.. the bullshit is breath taking..
Trudeau reacts to Putin’s mention of Canadian Parliament applauding a former Ukrainian Nazi in his interview with Tucker Carlson.

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 4:12 utc | 195

“It’s time for us to put on the imperial hat again and say: we will rule these countries if you are unable to rule yourselves”
— Founder of the American PMC Blackwater, Erik Prince suggests for the US to rule over Africa
Ahh colonialism , exceptionally isnt dead amongst the folk in gilded towers. How jolly to think a whole continent and its people are yours for the pleasure. Best worry about the third world usa is becoming

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 10 2024 4:14 utc | 196

Kukulkan @188
Famous Odessa Steps scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWMq4AEyjU

Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2024 4:22 utc | 197

Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:02 utc | 158
I’m going to have to disagree about the end there. Tucker had a blank eyed stare by that point because he’d literally completely run out of things to ask, you could tell that Putin had nowhere near the level of respect for him that he does for Oliver Stone (a common theme throughout was Putin sizing Tucker up and being unimpressed), so he had basically decided the show was over, even though he would have been willing to carry on about any topic Tucker might have broached.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2024 4:24 utc | 198

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 4:12 utc | 193
Thank you james, he looks like an airhead all right. “a suit droid”. They are all much alike.
I thought about commenting on Canada too, but decided it was not my place to do that.
Dugin seems like a nice man and I sympathize with his loss, having kids of my own, but he projects to much when talking about the USA. An academic type.
Putin seems like a sport to me, nothing usual about him, I would not want to put him any pidgeon hole like autistic or aspie. If he is either one, he is “high-functioning” enough to make it a silly idea.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 4:27 utc | 199

@ Dalit | Feb 9 2024 13:59 utc | 16
@ Jane 23
Dalit, I agree with your observation – the question of God and our lives was a possible catastrophe for a weak mind – Putin showed himself as a true statesman. He can be rightly compared to Bismarck, whose name he (Putin) mentioned once.
The mentioning of Indonesia was also very good.
There were so many excellent thoughts and observations, that the combined West ought to listen to, to internalize.
The explanation why old Nazim and neo-Nazism are not tolerable for Russia was very well done.
Jane, I also was put off by Tucker’s style and even freshness, ‘sophomoric’ mimic;
in general, Putin was able to contradict the many propagandistic lies – so let’s hope that the world audience will see and some percentage of it will lose the degree of Russophobia. It was good for Russia and bad for the West what Carlson produced. That’s why there is now a huge outrage and throwing mud on him.

Posted by: fanto | Feb 10 2024 4:33 utc | 200