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February 9, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-042
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The CIA and MI5 are now also in the dock… Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 20:47 utc | 101 100 – They break their own laws if it is convenient. A neo-Nazi gang was going around for years, mostly murdering Turkish shopkeepers, and a known state informant was at the scene at one of the murders but no action was taken. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 9 2024 20:53 utc | 103 The two candidates for president of the USA Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 20:54 utc | 104 Oh, Mark2 @101, I was glad to read your comment because I was going to post about this… while sucking the thread in a very Canadian direction, for which I apologize, but it’s an extension of what I posted @65. Which is, you know, international in its scope. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 9 2024 21:06 utc | 105 @ S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99 with the Carlson after interview link…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:10 utc | 106
Have emboldened the part which I think far too many people keep believing because they are naively unwilling to accept the CLEAR AND PRESENT FACT that Western polities are run by criminal credit cartels not at all interested in ‘protecting their .. populations’ and who most decidedly ARE involved in unending ‘massive disinformation .. to the detriment of their own publics’. Besides my political disagreements, having grown up in the era of heavyweights like Gore Vidal I always considered Carlson a flyweight, getting rid of the ventriloquist’s dummy bowtie helped, maybe the human growth hormone kicked in and he developed beyond man-child, and while I still consider him a flyweight he rose to the occasion in trying to prevent the mother of all USA misadventures and WW3 in Ukraine. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:15 utc | 108 Yves at Naked Capitalism sums up my views on the interview pretty well. Here’s a short excerpt:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/02/tucker-carlson-interview-of-vladimir-putin.html Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2024 21:21 utc | 109 The Russian President was having some fun while making a serious point. Are you not entertained? Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110 Scorpion @ 107 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 21:28 utc | 111 is how competent Putin appears in comparison to the disaster that is Biden. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 9 2024 21:30 utc | 112 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:31 utc | 113
psychohistorian @ 106 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:31 utc | 114 Yes very competent. Powers of magnitude moreso than any western leader. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:32 utc | 115 Peter AU1 @ 115
Nice. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 21:38 utc | 116 Tom @ 109 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 21:40 utc | 117 Well that Biden presser to reassure us on Biden’s memory, after latest DoJ report on his fading memory, was something… O_O Posted by: titmouse | Feb 9 2024 21:41 utc | 118 You can watch it here: https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/02/09/310187.html Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:42 utc | 119 Please, send my regards to President Sisi of Mexico. Love, Old Glory Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:43 utc | 120 Good catch Jane! How interesting, eh? Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:50 utc | 121 It’s simultaneously revealing a bad memory while attesting to conspiring with Netanyahu, and attempting coercion on Sisi, for ethnic cleansing. And we’re not even a month away from the ICJ result! Nicaragua’s case against USA at the ICJ ticks another bit of evidence. O_O Posted by: titmouse | Feb 9 2024 21:50 utc | 122 Joe Rogan should get Putin on. Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:56 utc | 125 The imbecility of some immersed in the colors of an ordinary tie….. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 9 2024 21:57 utc | 126 Inresponse to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2024 21:57 utc | 127 Tucker: I want to join the CIA! Posted by: Honzo | Feb 9 2024 22:01 utc | 128 It’s a pity Carlson’s after the interview video is behind a paywall otherwise a much larger audience would get to see it. I have seen a few short sections of that video and to Carlson’s credit, it has used the interview as a learning experience. Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 9 2024 22:26 utc | 129 There’s a certain conceit in expecting Putin to talk down to the average Joe the Plumber, he’s not running for POTUS. Posted by: Suresh | Feb 9 2024 22:35 utc | 130 Carlson came over as an outstandingly good interviewer. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 22:43 utc | 131 What depressive and lethargic interview with a bored & spiritless TC. Posted by: SlowSoft | Feb 9 2024 22:57 utc | 132 Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:
Speaking of ‘insane’, the same publication broke this story:
Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:
Speaking of ‘insane’, the same publication broke this story:
SlowSoft @ 132 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:09 utc | 135 SlowSoft @ 132 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:09 utc | 136 SlowSoft @ 132 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 9 2024 23:10 utc | 137 Some more commentary for those interested:
Some more commentary for those interested:
Mark2 @ 131
Outstanding? You are referencing from the low bar of modern media, you are either young or need to get out more. Tucker had the good sense to not go into this with an aggressive gotchu infotainment style, and to his credit that was never really his shtick, a sophomoric scope was always his limitation not crudeness, the lethal combination of modern anglo political interviewers. The Russians gave him the interview because of that, they knew he was ultimately a well mannered rich boy. I’m thinking Afshin Rattansi might have juggled the right combination of aggressive, informed, and polite, or Liu Xin, but I have the hots for her, and neither would be viewed by the sheeple of the Empire. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 23:28 utc | 140 Thankyou Posted by: Surferket | Feb 9 2024 7:27 utc | 319 Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:30 utc | 141 “Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine the Great and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever. Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to the Russian Empire. That territory was the size of 3 to 4 regions of modern Ukraine, with no Black Sea region. That was completely out of the question.” Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 9 2024 23:32 utc | 142 @: Scorpion | Feb 9 2024 23:08 utc | 133 Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 9 2024 23:42 utc | 143 That is as near as he comes to saying it. Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 23:52 utc | 144 Scorpion @ 133 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2024 23:54 utc | 145 @Here is my selective reading, starting with my bug bear that Lenin wasn’t the saint he is worshipped as by some. Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 10 2024 0:00 utc | 146 Jane | Feb 9 2024 21:22 utc | 110– I note how some people here are down playing this interview, and some are saying one or other did well or not. According to their agenda. Dont over think this topic. Take it ast face value. It is what it is. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:13 utc | 149 Repost from me as well from the Ukraine thread Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 10 2024 0:14 utc | 150 Suresh @ 146
Views or clicks??? Views by same person in small bites? Views first 20min or all 2hrs? Views all 2hrs not concentrating while doing other shit, or interested and focused? Twitter would have the metrics on at least clicks and time spent, would be interesting to see that. Maybe Putin’s mom is at home clicking over and over as fast as she can? But yes, it’s a good sign that people are stirring and not totally in a propofol coma. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 10 2024 0:26 utc | 151 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 0:30 utc | 152 Did Vladimiri Putin stipulate he should see and agee to this interveiws release beforehand ? Highly likely. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 0:33 utc | 153
Putins electioneering is very simple, Everyone wants to nuke everything, ONLY he not .. Posted by: theo | Feb 10 2024 0:40 utc | 154 Russia should invest further in local semiconductor manufacturing. $38 billion invested is sufficient but more must be done soon. Getting fabrication equipment by whatever means from the Netherlands should be a top priority. Posted by: Jason | Feb 10 2024 0:41 utc | 155 Dugin’s latest. Posted by: Suresh | Feb 10 2024 0:48 utc | 157 The Monsanto Prototype? Posted by: Cynic | Feb 10 2024 0:49 utc | 158 Very entertaining comment thread with some observational gems. IMO, the ten year-old Dugin book scorpion linked to is out-of-date. Today’s Putin isn’t the Putin of 2008 after his first round as president. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2024 21:21 utc | 109 Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:02 utc | 160 Did Vladimiri Putin stipulate he should see and agee to this interveiws release beforehand ? Highly likely. Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:16 utc | 161 @karlof!: yes, it’s out of date, but Dugin posted it today for a reason. I think it provides good background of the sort of pressures Putin has to balance as President as well as the foundations of the multipolarity movement which is now blossoming quite nicely. He gets a lot of criticism from the conservative right these days; they think he is holding back in Ukraine and might be a traitor. In any case, I think he is right that that 2007 speech is one for the ages. That’s when I started paying attention to him, for sure.
You often make great posts but that one takes the cake! @Posted by: Jane | Feb 9 2024 23:52 utc | 142 Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 10 2024 1:25 utc | 164 mtw | Feb 9 2024 16:44 utc | 50
Back in 2008, Brenda Connors prepared a report (pdf) for the US Secretary of Defense which argued that Putin had (“suffered from” in her words) Asperger’s Syndrome. Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 1:30 utc | 165 S | Feb 9 2024 20:36 utc | 97
I would totally watch that. They could even leave out the dragons and necromancers. Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 1:31 utc | 166 Dugin’s Latest. Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:32 utc | 167 Below is a Putin quote from the Carlson/Putin interview
I decided to look up the term pragmatic and will only provide the first two definitions from my unabridged dictionary Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:36 utc | 168 Below is another Carlson/Putin Q/A that must have set Tucker on his heals given Putin’s answer
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:40 utc | 169 Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 10 2024 1:40 utc | 167 Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 170 @ S | Feb 9 2024 20:37 utc | 99 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 2:03 utc | 171 @ lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 168 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 2:05 utc | 172 “Substantive take by well-known ‘far right’ web-zine:” Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:26 utc | 173 And now it’s time for a musical interlude. Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 10 2024 2:33 utc | 174 Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:32 utc | 165
https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/werewolf-podcast-3-constantin-von?publication_id=1990457&post_id=141492895&isFreemail=true&r=1w3p2m
“Next to no one in America or on Twitter are going to watch it. Posted by: Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 176 The Putin interview was a history lesson. The gist if which is that Russia will be there long after the USA is gone. Posted by: PeteV | Feb 10 2024 2:48 utc | 177 Meet the who’s who of the FUKUSA MIC…
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http://tinyurl.com/yc2utrnh Posted by: denk | Feb 10 2024 2:49 utc | 178 Ok … another ‘Putin Interview’ comment. It would be, in my opinion, the years best comedic 2 hours if Biden could somehow be convinced to do a reciprocal 2 hr, unscripted, no prior question screening interview with a Russian interviewer. Biden couldn’t do it. He just couldn’t. That is all at the same time, hilarious and terrifying. If Biden and Trump are the best of the best for the big chair, the america is, simply put, fucked. Posted by: rgl | Feb 10 2024 2:51 utc | 179 Scorpion @ 173 Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 10 2024 2:52 utc | 180 Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 2:34 utc | 173 Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:55 utc | 181 I had shopping duties today, so I have only just now completed reading the Russian translation into very good english of Tucker Carlson’s interview of Putin, and I have to say my impression of the first question which I posted above, was soon followed by what I would call considerable rapport between the two. Posted by: juliania | Feb 10 2024 2:56 utc | 182 Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174
Both Lenin and Krushchev gave parts of Russia to Ukraine — Lenin added the eastern and southern oblasts to Ukraine in 1922, and Krushchev added Crimea in 1954. Neither asked the people living in either region if they wanted to be part of the Ukraine. Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 2:57 utc | 183 Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 2:57 utc | 181 Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:05 utc | 184 Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174– @ lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 2:02 utc | 168 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 3:10 utc | 186 @ Dalit | Feb 10 2024 2:42 utc | 174 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 10 2024 3:12 utc | 187 The interview video on Carlson’s twitter acc. 1.6 million views, 65k replies, 277k reposts, 892k likes, and bookmarked by 262k in just over 24 hours. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 10 2024 3:13 utc | 188 Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2024 2:34 utc | 173 Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 3:14 utc | 189 Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:05 utc | 182
Yes. That’s one of the southern oblasts I referred to that was added by Lenin.
Battleship Potemkin (1925)? Posted by: Kukulkan | Feb 10 2024 3:15 utc | 190 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2024 0:57 utc | 157 Posted by: juliania | Feb 10 2024 3:21 utc | 191 Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 3:14 utc | 187 Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 10 2024 3:31 utc | 192 Dalit, Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2024 4:01 utc | 193 @ Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 3:10 utc | 184 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 4:12 utc | 195 “It’s time for us to put on the imperial hat again and say: we will rule these countries if you are unable to rule yourselves” Posted by: Hankster | Feb 10 2024 4:14 utc | 196 Kukulkan @188 Posted by: Jane | Feb 10 2024 4:22 utc | 197 Posted by: Jake.Blanchard | Feb 10 2024 1:02 utc | 158 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2024 4:24 utc | 198 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2024 4:12 utc | 193 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 10 2024 4:27 utc | 199 @ Dalit | Feb 9 2024 13:59 utc | 16 Posted by: fanto | Feb 10 2024 4:33 utc | 200 |
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