Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 5, 2024
In The Middle East The U.S. Has Reached The End Of Its Abilities

The Biden administration is trying everything to better the situation for the Israeli government except by withdrawing its financial and munition support which are the only two measures that could bring Israel to its senses.

There are now several small wars in the Middle East which may soon accumulate into a big one. Israel is fighting Hamas and the Islamic Jihad in Gaza. It is fighting a silent resistance in the West Bank. On its norther borders it is involved in daily clashes with Hizbullah and various Palestinian resistance groups.

Israel is also bombing Syria and killing Iranian envoys to that country. Iraqi and Syrian resistance groups are attacking U.S. bases in Syria and Iraq. The U.S. is bombing these groups for more or less therapeutic purposes while trying to not hurt them too much. In the Red Sea the Ansarullah government of Yemen is blocking sea traffic related to Israel, the U.S. and UK. The U.S. and UK are bombing Ansarullah positions even as they know that no amount of bombing will change its position.

People in other Arab countries, while seemingly calm, are enraged over Israel's genocidal behavior in Gaza. Their leaders try to keep their distances from the wars but at some point may well be forced to take sides in it.

Meanwhile the U.S., the alleged superpower, is hapless and helplessly trying to achieve results that are way beyond its abilities.

See for one example the last attempt by a U.S. envoy to prevent a further escalation with Lebanon:

US presents new blueprint to push Hezbollah away from Israeli borderYnetnews, Feb 4 2024

U.S. President Joe Biden's Middle East envoy Amos Hochstein outlined the key elements of a political settlement to deescalate tensions between Israel and Hezbollah during his visit to the Jewish state on Sunday.

The plan consists of two phases: In the first, Hezbollah would cease hostilities actions along the border with Israel and will retreat between eight to ten kilometers north from the border.

Israeli residents will return to their homes, and a significant deployment of the Lebanese army and UNIFIL peacekeeping forces will maintain stability in southern Lebanon and along the border.

In the second phase, Israel and Lebanon will begin negotiations to demarcate the land border, including discussions on 13 points on disputes along their shared boundaries. Simultaneously, the U.S. and the international community will explore offering "economic incentives" to Lebanon.

Hochstein received the green light from the Lebanese government for his proposal, though it remains unclear whether Hezbollah agrees with the arrangement.

The envoy, who recently met with President Isaac Herzog, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Minister Benny Gantz urged Israel to give his plan a chance.

Nice plan. But what can you do to implement it?

How in hell will the U.S. be able to make Hezbollah to cease hostilities actions along the border with Israel and to retreat between eight to ten kilometers from the border?

Hizbullah fighters at the border are living in the border towns. They were born there. They want to die there. How the f*** does the U.S. think they can be pushed out? And why would Hizbullah agree to a ceasefire when the murdering of Palestinians in Gaza continues to be the major project of Israel?

The U.S. has no means, none, to press Hizbullah into a ceasefire or to push it to retreat from the border line.

The Lebanese government supports that move? Sure, verbally, as long as you cough up some money. But Hizbullah is part of that government. It is also the superior military power in Lebanon. Neither the Lebanese army nor the U.N. forces have the ability to fight it.

Step one is thereby meaningless. Step two, a promise for negotiations between Israel and Lebanon, makes likewise no sense as Israel is notoriously unwilling to make any concessions.

If baseless fantasies like the above are all the U.S. can come up with it is truly at the end of its abilities.

A chance of  a war between Israel and Hizbullah in Lebanon is increasing daily. While there are already daily clashes these are limited by certain red lines and targets. Both sides still avoid to cross those.

But Israel's government needs a victory. Its war aims in Gaza are clearly not achievable. Losses are mounting. Its population, especially the settlers from the north who had to flee their homes, are unruly.

Alastair Crooke thinks (vid) that Israel will start a full out war with Hizbullah simply because the Israeli government needs a victory. He thinks that Netanyahoo still thinks he can achieve one. Others though have their doubts. Hizbullah today is far better equipped and trained than it had been during the 2006 war with Israel. That war ended in a draw or, as some see it, with a defeat of Israel. I know of no expert in that area who thinks that Israel today would fare any better than that.

I'd say let them try. The may well learn from it.

But why the Biden administration even thinks that it can stop such a clash by presenting plans it has no means to press for is beyond me.

Comments

Acco Hengst | Feb 6 2024 1:50 utc | 178–
Thanks for digging up that info. Jane pegged her quite well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2024 4:28 utc | 201

@ Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 4:25 utc | 199
fighting propaganda with propaganda.. i get it, but who wants to live in a world of propaganda?

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 4:43 utc | 202

fighting propaganda with propaganda.. i get it, but who wants to live in a world of propaganda?
Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 4:43 utc | 202
Where can I find the alternative? I’d like to at least give it a visit.

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 6 2024 4:45 utc | 203

@ Honzo | Feb 6 2024 4:45 utc | 203
you’ll have to use your imagination and not rely on others so much for information and etc. etc.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 4:48 utc | 204

Among the anti-jewish tropes I’ve seen is the number 109, allegedly representing the number of countries that Jews have been kicked out of… where neo-nazis of various countries striving to make their own country 110. Who would have thought that Israel itself might become the 110th?

Posted by: Peter b | Feb 6 2024 4:57 utc | 205

Among the anti-jewish tropes I’ve seen is the number 109, allegedly representing the number of countries that Jews have been kicked out of… where neo-nazis of various countries striving to make their own country 110. Who would have thought that Israel itself might become the 110th?

Posted by: Peter b | Feb 6 2024 4:57 utc | 206

Surely a people who so sloppily wield ‘the holocaust’ as a weapon in every possible way
emotionally, legally, financially, as a defense & reason to murder even
and shamelessly so, as if they are determined to squeeze every last drop of nectar from it
SURELY those people would not have told a single lie about such a ‘holocaust’ tool, right ? RIGHT ?
What say you barflies ?
Does what I write in words on this precious website (and it is truly previous) CONCERN you ?
Does it OFFEND your high brow sensibilities ?
I think it does not, if I am honest.
You are all much more rugged than that.

Posted by: ryanggg | Feb 6 2024 5:15 utc | 207

54 Canuck. Migration erupts from colonialism. In turn the thousands of migrants produced by the colonial power’s impoverishment of their native country disrupt the social fabric of that colonial power. A dialectic. But then the migrants can teach different cultural perspectives and ways of being into the decaying colonial power. A positive influence for possible change of national direction? Thank you Lord for the Islamic community in Michigan USA.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 5:18 utc | 208

james 157
I don’t blame you for not understanding, james, as even the wikipedia article on the decision was labrynthlike for me in attempting to find a clear explanation of the result of it. The simplest was the following describing a poll I remember seeing at the time:

An ABC–The Washington Post poll conducted February 4–8, 2010, showed that 80% of those surveyed opposed (and 65% strongly opposed) the Citizens United ruling, which the poll described as saying “corporations and unions can spend as much money as they want to help political candidates win elections”. Additionally, 72% supported “an effort by Congress to reinstate limits on corporate and union spending on election campaigns”. The poll showed large majority support from Democrats, Republicans and independents.

A better wikipedia article to me was one reviewing the book “Republic Lost” by Lawrence Lessig. This focusses on the consequences of no holds barred for corporate spending on campaigns rather than the actual circumstances of the case.
I’m fine with ‘root’ instead of my own definition of ‘source’, if that makes one feel better. I wasn’t quoting the Bible, just playing on b’s ‘US has reached the end of its abilities’ heading as to where those abilities began to deteriorate. And of course the frayed beginnings of such have been discussed here, the voting machines and hanging chads that were hot topics in their day, — even further back in history for some, including me. It struck me, however, that we got the money issue writ large with this court decision and we hadn’t remembered how important it was to the general public at the time.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 6 2024 5:19 utc | 209

Netanyahu cannot end the war because otherwise he will face prosecution for previous crimes
@Johann
That is true of the whole Jewish “nation”. If they back down now, there will be a tremendous backlash against them now that yesterday’s “conspiracy theories” have proven to be true. That is why Netanyahu can present himself to “his” people as a defender of some BS “cause” which means more destruction to everyone else.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 6 2024 5:20 utc | 210

208 Lavieja That Muslim community is making the Dems pay for supporting genocide.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 5:24 utc | 211

The caption in Farsi reads: The miracle is in our hands.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 5 2024 17:29 utc | 30
This post ⤴️ is why I freaking love this place.
> Thanks to all who contribute simple, but valuable gems.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 5 2024 23:43 utc | 147

The translation was indeed a gem and destined to be overlooked. Thanks Sakineh Bagoom!
Ditto your post, Melaleuca.
‘Simple but valuable’, a worthy goal for barflies.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 6 2024 5:51 utc | 212

SURPRISE SURPRISE
Gazans search in vain for medicines
Cancer, diabetes and heart disease patients among those facing chronic shortage of treatments
FT

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 6 2024 5:58 utc | 213

@ juliania | Feb 6 2024 5:19 utc | 209
i have always maintained lobbying is legalized bribery.. i have never understood how it can be condoned.. that is what i think of when i read what you said there.. i think that quote from b is relevant to his examples given.- “If baseless fantasies like the above are all the U.S. can come up with it is truly at the end of its abilities.” i just see all those fantasies b highlights as a diversion from what is staring everyone in the face..
the usa is not interested in any settlement or move towards peace that doesn’t include israels dominance and ultimate goals in all of this.. the icing on the cake is the usa’s unwillingness, or inability to sign a UN resolution for a ceasefire.. that is on the usa only, as everyone else wanted to sign onto a ceasefire… unfortunately the usa, aside from showing its devotion to warmongering, also shows fully its devotion to israel – right or wrong.. there is no sanity in the usa’s position here – non whatsoever.. i think anyone looking at this can see it too.. no amount of putting lipstick on a pig ( the medias sole purpose at this point it seems ) is going to change any of this here.. i am not impressed with some of the countries in the arab world either – ksa, and uae.. i never was before, so nothing much has changed in that regard.. i have an even lower impression of israel and those leaders guiding them at this point.. the christian evangelicals, and christian zionists – same deal.. i have no respect for any of them in their desire for some type of reenactment of the book of revelations… sorry for the rant..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 6:02 utc | 214

reenactment of the book of revelations
Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 6:02 utc | 214
Yes that is what happens when the “accelerationists” end up in the White House and get the ear of the Prez

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 6 2024 6:11 utc | 215

RE You are in for a surprise. Pre-alert: 17,600 words with 2,327 comments
The Holocaust Denial
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 5 2024 22:07 utc | 113
Look, I get annoyed with off topic posts here – but this is too much – I stopped to read Lillemore’s ref to UNZ and frankly it is a SUPERB READ …. and I’m not half way through it yet.
MY Comment – Transferred to MoA Week In Review
SEE – Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 6:11 utc | 114
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2024-039/comments/page/2/#comments

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 6:15 utc | 216

Via that UNZ article he mentions Chomsky ….
The Fate of an Honest Intellectual
Noam Chomsky
Excerpted from Understanding Power, The New Press, 2002, pp. 244-248
I’ll tell you another, last case—and there are many others like this. Here’s a story which is really tragic. How many of you know about Joan Peters, the book by Joan Peters? There was this best-seller a few years ago [in 1984], it went through about ten printings, by a woman named Joan Peters—or at least, signed by Joan Peters—called From Time Immemorial. It was a big scholarly-looking book with lots of footnotes, which purported to show that the Palestinians were all recent immigrants [i.e. to the Jewish-settled areas of the former Palestine, during the British mandate years of 1920 to 1948]. And it was very popular—it got literally hundreds of rave reviews, and no negative reviews: the Washington Post, the New York Times, everybody was just raving about it. Here was this book which proved that there were really no Palestinians!
Of course, the implicit message was, if Israel kicks them all out there’s no moral issue, because they’re just recent immigrants who came in because the Jews had built up the country. And there was all kinds of demographic analysis in it, and a big professor of demography at the University of Chicago [Philip M. Hauser] authenticated it. That was the big intellectual hit for that year: Saul Bellow, Barbara Tuchman, everybody was talking about it as the greatest thing since chocolate cake.Well, one graduate student at Princeton, a guy named Norman Finkelstein, started reading through the book. He was interested in the history of Zionism, and as he read the book he was kind of surprised by some of the things it said. He’s a very careful student, and he started checking the references—and it turned out that the whole thing was a hoax, it was completely faked: probably it had been put together by some intelligence agency or something like that.
Well, Finkelstein wrote up a short paper of just preliminary findings, it was about twenty-five pages or so, and he sent it around to I think thirty people who were interested in the topic, scholars in the field and so on, saying: “Here’s what I’ve found in this book, do you think it’s worth pursuing?”
Well, he got back one answer, from me. I told him, yeah, I think it’s an interesting topic, but I warned him, if you follow this, you’re going to get in trouble—because you’re going to expose the American intellectual community as a gang of frauds, and they are not going to like it, and they’re going to destroy you.
https://chomsky.info/power01/
Nothing has changed … Israeli Zionist Jews and US Zionist Neocons are still all Liars 24/7.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 6:25 utc | 217

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 5:18 utc | 208
A nice counter to Canuck’s fictive essentialism. Frank’s notion of ‘Roman stock’ is a projection of early 20th century eugenic pseudo-science into antiquity. Rome was multicultural from its origins, historically and in myth. The best engagement with the question ‘what is a Roman?’ is Virgil’s Aeneid, as profound a reflection on civic and national self-identity as any text I can think of since. We all come from ‘somewhere else’. Polity and human flourishing don’t depend on maintaining some fictive ‘purity’ of ‘stock’ (every fascist’s wet dream, as though we belong to breeding farms) but on finding a politics that can transcend all fetishisms of origins. Rome’s great success lay in this: citizenship meant membership of a community of political rights and obligations in a declared relationship of responsibility to fellow citizens. Zionists, being utterly fixated by genetics (‘Genesis’ says it all), will never get this—and it frustrated the Romans too. The only solution is Titus’.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2024 6:38 utc | 218

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 6:02 utc | 214
For whatever reason, the Americans that support these Zionist policies can’t accept that they are being lied to. If Zionist lies control Americans that support these policies and actual Zionists run the country through the State Department, how can the US possibly be considered a sovereign nation? Was the Vichy government a reflection of the will of France?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 6 2024 6:52 utc | 219

Judaism is an ancient religion, and when religions deviate too far , God sends a prophet with an update, not a change, but a reminder of the original intentions before the corruptions.
People are writing here that the Jews were not obfuscating their own history. All religions revise their own shortcomings. The British Raj used “”” Muslims “” to administer India. They created an entire class of privileged families.
With the holocaust the issue isn’t about numbers but about who wanted to purify the Jews. After all , Usama bin Laden launched a 50 year campaign against whom.he billed to be the wring type of Muslims. Political Islam has used US military power to destroy the Syrians, Libyans Somalis etc and now the Palestinians whom they believe to Sufis, in other words the wrong kind of Muslims.
In religious wars, it is always, ( as with Pontius Pilate ) the political keepers of the
religion trying to harness the superpower to defeat the co-religionists who refuse to follow their mad ideas .
That’s what political Islam or political Judaism means: the political alliance with the enemies of your religion in order to defeat the co-religionists who refuse to kowtow to your fanatical ideas.
In the case if Gaza, the main drivers of the genocide are political fanatics of Muslim Brotherhood and others worse than them, harnessing US military power to crush their own people. The war by political Islam against ordinary Muslims has been going on for 40 years.
The Holocaust is exactly the same, in which the zealots of Zionism utilised multinational Christian Antisemitism against their own, and other peoples whom they despised and whe rejected their stupid, fanatical ideas.
The Crucifixion of Jesus which God has told us in the Qur’an did not occur, was the most famous example of political zealots trying to destroy a prophet of God who would destroy their little religious mafia.
Jesus wept, except he didn’t, he’s coming back inshallah soon.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 6 2024 7:19 utc | 220

Electronic intifada discuss the USA case against Biden blinken and Austin.
https://youtu.be/BKnyxsJAnhc?si=i1Upi-q9XpR3QTN7

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 6 2024 7:23 utc | 221

Building on to what I said previously about There is a definite pattern of Jews killing others horrendously out there @186, it was on the island of Cyprus where the Jews attempted to wipe out the resident Greeks, plus they tried similar things in Cairo and Alexandria.
“Cypriot Jews participated in the Kitos War against the Romans and their leader Trajan in 117 CE under the leadership of Artemion. They sacked Salamis and annihilated the Greek population. According to Roman historian Cassius Dio, the revolting party massacred 240,000 Greek-Cypriots.[2] Cassius Dio also reported that Jews were not allowed to settle on Cyprus after the uprising was put down. The law was applied so strictly in the centuries that followed that any Jew who wrecked his ship off the coast of Cyprus was executed right away.[3][4] Jewish settlement in Cyprus appears to have completely halted until the fourth century CE.[3]”
So even though Cyprus was most definitely not Jewish territory, Jews felt the need to wipe the Greeks out there. That is the Jewish modus operandi, they go somewhere, start with their infiltrate, subvert nonsense, then wipe out the local populace. And since the Jews have taken over the US, the Jewnited States of America is now said to be undergoing depopulation as we speak, as per the Deagel report. Bye bye Yanks, you are going to die horrendously.
Meanwhile Jews from Israel, scared of Hamas and Hezbollah, are now said to be fleeing to Cyprus yet again, they will try to take over there yet again. They tried it multiple times in the past, even in the 1800’s.
https://cyprusreview.org/index.php/cr/article/download/796/641/1218
Jewish behavior, wherever they are, is very, very, very, very predictable.

Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 7:57 utc | 222

You can call the confusion about the US plans “The decent man’s fallacy”. What you see now – the chaos, the misery, the death – is the very purpose of all hotspots in the world. What has to be understood properly is that Washington and its vassals are people of pure evil. Think about the word evil and its implications for a while. Decent men do not think as evil people do and therefore the actions and words of evil people are confusing in a very fundamental sense. Start to think that this is what evil people do, feeding and profiting of chaos, fear, misery, death and all will fall in place.

Posted by: Fight Evil with Evil | Feb 6 2024 8:08 utc | 223

bevin 41. “ Holocausts are part of imperialism and that in Poland was by no means the largest, even of the period. What made it unique was the careful industrialisation of the process of killing when the maximum amount of surplus value- carefully calculated by experts on diet and health- had been extracted. In the end we are all useless eaters. What surprises me and perhaps I am just ignorant of the matter, was that the Blood and Soil compost enthusiasts did not work out a way of returning all that decaying flesh and crumbling bone to the soil, as enrichment.”
This post has sparked a horrific comprehension . What was German nazis’ strategy, derived from laws of industrialization, used on the Jews in the Holocaust. And how Israel now inflicts that nazi-scientism killing on the Palestinian people. I had read an article in a journal (NewLeftReview-144, Nov/Dec 2023) only partially comprehended then, but perhaps moreso now after reading this bevin MOA post. In his article “Therborn’s World-Casting: The Left against Dialectics?”, the author Oliver Eagleton draws from both dialectical materialism and theorizing by the Swedish sociologist Göran Therborn. The author suggests that, in the future, people may be motivated for change by ‘anticipatory fear’. But now that I have read the above post, I get the NLR article more, although I’m not sure the two texts are related.
Eagleton writes:
“The central question then becomes: can the global left regain its modernist momentum? Can it reconstitute itself as the sole representative of opposition to the present—outflanking the populist right? Writing in Jacobin, Alyssa Battistoni argues that radical politics in this century starts from the premise that current conjunctural trends have no long-term direction other than generalized devastation. ‘Told we’d reached the end of history, it turns out that we’ve actually arrived at the end of the future, or at least the one we knew.’ Once this is acknowledged, the association between optimism and utopianism breaks down, since the assumption that everything will be alright is precisely what beckons Armageddon. It is only ‘clear-eyed pessimism’, unflinching recognition of our predicament, that opens up a hopeful space beyond it. An apocalyptic sensibility, then, is not incompatible with a utopian one. The former may even be the precondition for the latter—providing the necessary impetus to effect a terraformation. Therborn described this prospect some four decades ago in The Ideology of Power and the Power of Ideology, when he wrote that ‘it is possible to mobilize the future against the present’: ‘In the really dramatic socio-political mobilizations . . . the future has predominantly taken the form of an imminent threat flowing from current tendencies, which has called for pre-emptive action in the present. We might term this process mobilization by anticipatory fear’. This is surely the appropriate formula for our times. Contemporary dialectics may not have a progressive structural trend with which the left can ally itself. But they do have a tendency towards calamity which could, out of sheer terror, incite the imagination of alternative realities.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 8:15 utc | 224

Jewish behavior, wherever they are, is very, very, very, very predictable.
Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 7:57 utc | 222
And you believe that the actions of a handful of “Jews”, in 117 AD, in Cyrus, is justifiably indicative predictive proof of how and why “Jews” will behave today, 2000 years later. Seriously?
That the Romans destroyed Ancient Carthage and carried out an extreme genocide of their people and totally destroyed their infrastructure and agriculture is solid predictive proof that all Italians today (and any decedents of the Byzantines) are clearly all Genocidal psychopathic maniacs not to be trusted!!!
Geez it’s all so obvious now I think of it. /sarc God help us.
How about simply sticking to recent history and Revisionist and Religious Zionism and worship of the God of Mammon Cult? 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 8:22 utc | 225

It is only ‘clear-eyed pessimism’, unflinching recognition of our predicament, that opens up a hopeful space beyond it. An apocalyptic sensibility, then, is not incompatible with a utopian one.
Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 8:15 utc | 224
Apocalypse means unveiling. This is both a spiritual and a political insight.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 6 2024 8:25 utc | 226

Only in America! You send a Jew to negotiate with Jews about someone else’s land and home. As if any Jew would ever do something honorable in regard to a Goy. The whole US proposal is ridiculous on its face.
Now I’m going to posit something absolutely awful: Hitler was right. The Jews need to be eliminated. He knew why, because he was one of them.

Posted by: OldFart | Feb 6 2024 8:30 utc | 227

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 5 2024 20:17 utc | 75
re statements of karlof1 @ 57
There are fewer than 16 million Jews on the planet. Seven million in Israel and six million in US. Israel is their One Big Project. When it fails and is seen to fail and no amount of PR and indoctrination can make Jews look like anything but losers and sore losers and big dumb sore losers hopefully the 99.8% of the population that is not Jewish quit paying so damn much attention to the 0.2%. Already we see the population walking away from Jewish media and Jewish entertainment and Jewish authors and Jewish navel-gazing. Gaza accelerated the process greatly.
All the Russian Jews I used to know became Ukrainian Jews two years ago. They are now Lithuanian Jews or possibly Russian Jews again. The wheel of fashion will have them claiming they were maybe one quarter Jewish two or three generations back.
These Ron Unz links contribute to the Jewish question.
https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
Posted by: bisfugged | Feb 5 2024 21:28 utc | 101
Then you’ll be constantly ridiculed (like myself) by those just trying to get people to look for themselves.
<=agree [Forest for trees!] Don't bother me with your evidence and facts, what I believe is the only fact I need. Posted by: silverdog | Feb 5 2024 21:44 utc | 106 The current crisis is not about the Palestinians ,..is a much larger issue Iran has decided it wants the US out of Syria/Iraq for starters. <= Yes, I think the two sides are in this against each other for different reasons.. Iran and the Arab world for security and the west for access to the regions resources(particularly oil and gas) for those reasons . there is not likely to be a peaceful resolution.. each side wants something "the other cannot or will not give."

Posted by: snake | Feb 6 2024 8:44 utc | 228

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 6:25 utc | 217
“How many of you know about Joan Peters, the book by Joan Peters?” – Noam Chomsky
I do. This from last year:

… Here’s a challenge for anyone who likes Finklestein. I read his book demolishing Joan Peters’ fraudulent book From Time Immemorial. I got it from the U of Tromsø library some 15 years ago but can’t find any reference to it online. Anyone know the title or was it just his thesis ? It was masterful, comprehensive… . Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 17 2023 16:31 utc | 130

Finklestein’s book is titled Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine conflict .
You’ll find it online at the Internet Archive:
Image and Reality
Chapter 2 has NF’s demolition of Peters but the whole book is superb.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 6 2024 8:57 utc | 229

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 5 2024 21:00 utc | 88
Posted by: Menz | Feb 6 2024 1:22 utc | 171
Now I just need to wait for Nintendo and Sony to follow suit, unless something I don’t know about prevents them from doing so. Those two companies were on a list someone shared on the BDS thread.

Posted by: joey_n | Feb 6 2024 9:05 utc | 230

@Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 8:22 utc | 225
You are ignoring my reference to the old Testament in comment 186 about all the genocides the Jews have committed in the past. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, the Jewish religion just wants to kill others. Jews will always resort to genocide eventually, that is the end game of their existence strategy.

Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 9:08 utc | 231

Israel, like the US, is not agreement capable. Ask Syria, ask Russia, ask Lebanon.
They only understand military might.
This is one hilarious plan. “Hezbollah, you surrender the 10km of territory you have turned into hell for the IDF. In return, the corrupt local bigwigs of Lebanon get money. This is a great plan for peace.”

Posted by: Cresty | Feb 6 2024 9:12 utc | 232

waynorinorway | Feb 6 2024 8:57 utc | 229
TY SAVED for another time …. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 9:36 utc | 233

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior,
Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 9:08 utc | 231
Sure, that’s right. But relying on the Old Testament is beyond ludicrous it’s crazy thinking man … stop it. Focus on now and the last 100 years is more than enough. Deal with Netanyahoo being a psychopath is enough and that that was instilled in him by bullshit ideology of Revisionist Zionism and his equally psychopathic TOXIC Father and Mother …. talk about their extremists society and culture as collective Narcissism and Delusions of Grandeur aka Grandiosity, of PARANOIA instilled when infants and children by their TOXIC parents and grandparents, and all various collective Mental Pathologist that goes with these issues. All proven issues.
Israeli Zionist Jews and duel citizenship Zionist neocons etc, are a serious problem because they are ALL PSYCHOTIC now, right now, as mad as cut snakes!
forget the fantasy writing of the bible (and Cyprus in 117ad) … that’s horseshit, and you only look like a peddler of horseshit by relying on it as if it’s meaningful and not the writing of insane delusional creeps long dead.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 9:45 utc | 234

NEW YORK TIMES JUST NOW
What Israeli Soldiers’ Videos Reveal: Cheering Destruction and Mocking Gazans
An analysis of social media videos found Israeli soldiers filming themselves in Gaza and destroying what appears to be civilian property. The footage provides a rare and unsanctioned window into the war.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 6 2024 10:15 utc | 235

Jews do what they do becouse they have been allowed to do it, start from their and here’s
a hint…..
Breaking the law…….
Natraul justice.
Commen law.
International law.
And the law of your country.
Other law abideing jews are also available.
Hello, hello, hello is any body their.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 6 2024 10:47 utc | 236

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 8:15 utc | 224
Amazing post. Therborn is superb, thanks.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2024 11:09 utc | 237

167. The Sandinista govt. of Nicaragua has been under one kind of siege or another by the U.S. ever since it won the Nicaraguan revolution. It will go after the Brits and the other 3 Eu’ers, but somebody else should take on the U.S.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 11:17 utc | 238

238. Nicaragua takes on the other 2 European states and Canada I mean.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 6 2024 11:21 utc | 239

I hope b will clean-up all this revisionist mess. The numbers are not really an issue here. But doubting the multiple memories told or written by many witnesses, in various times and in various countries just help giving strength to the antagonist.

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 6 2024 11:31 utc | 240

@Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 9:45 utc | 234
So WW1 never happened, as that was more than 100 years ago, so it only exists in the writing of insane delusional creeps long dead. Nah, I don’t like this kind of thinking, all history is relevant and will always be relevant, even if its just stories from long ago because all tales have some element of truth in them. Some folktales existed for millennia in oral form before they were finally written down when writing developed.
I guess this is a case of different strokes for different folks.

Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 11:39 utc | 241

gT | Feb 6 2024 11:39 utc | 241
“Some folktales existed for millennia in oral form before they were finally written down when writing developed.
I guess this is a case of different strokes for different folks.”
“Progressives” of every sort think only today is permanent. Thus in the same way they find any kind of historical memory literally unthinkable, so they also don’t understand that, for example, everything written on the internet, in “the cloud”, will soon be gone and forgotten forever.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2024 12:24 utc | 242

@83 Uncle Sam:
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
Many arms I have to smuggle,
To raze poor Gaza into rubble;
While my economy is in a bubble,
Or my Zionist dreams will crumble.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 6 2024 12:32 utc | 243

i watched a french documentary that stated clearly with music backgrounder that 8 million died in the camps late 70s early 1980s frenchie tv show.
bronowski on the bbc assent of man series said the ashes of 4 million where in a pond in one camp arbeit macht frei.
the red cross had paper work stating clearly a hundreds of thousands of dead a numbers problem.
let us not even talk of the false claims of human soap and lamp shade skin…
never talk of other losses the eisenhauer rhineland open air camps the millions of germans killed after the war a ground hog day for one ashkanazim pirate group only..
the new anthony hopkins ww2 hollywoodland programming movie has the tag line saving one child saves the world.
which tally with protocol and talmud only those that self identify as yahu matter the life of one rothschild made chosen
who cares about the gaza slaughter the bloodied rituals open wounds that israel,uk and usa usa leave all over the world

Posted by: todd | Feb 6 2024 12:55 utc | 244

@ canuck 61
please take some time to read at link below on the extensively researched and very detailed article on this contentious topic, (with references), on the rise and suppression of Holocaust denial; written by a once sceptic Jew on the purported 6 million figure..[ever since 1869] and after ww 2, subsequently revised down.
@ Patroklos 72 in reply to canuck @ 61
yes, please read the suggested article at link that addressed your question [.]”Majdanek, Belżec, Sobibor and Treblinka alone at over 1.2M in 1942 alone. The use of gas for industrial murder is not being contested here, surely?
[.] was it Zyklon B as was posited – “a delousing agent that for decades was used by the U.S. government for immigrants entering at its Mexican border”
You are in for a surprise. Pre-alert: 17,600 words with 2,327 comments”
The Holocaust Denial
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 5 2024 22:07 utc | 113
I’m not interested in the politics of the Holocaust, I am only interested in an estimate of the Jewish fatalities at the hands of the Nazis in WW2 as I am skeptical of the official figure.
I apply Occam’s razor using math as the cutting tool.
We have established there was 15 MM Jews in 1938 in Europe and roughly same number in 1948.
So how does one cram 6 MM deaths into that period?
It isn’t possible, in my humble opinion.
That’s it, that’s my argument.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 6 2024 13:01 utc | 245

Would Hizbullah have sufficient power (sufficiently advanced missiles in quantity) and reach to degrade Israeli air power?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 5 2024 15:49 utc | 4
Assuming Hezbollah has access to Iranian Missile technology and given the performance of those missiles at Ain Al Assad and in Saudi Arabia and given the current performance (precision and accuracy) of Hezbollah’s missiles, I would say they definitely have enough firepower to severely damage Israel’s air-power (hangars, fuel facilities, flight control facilities).
However, that may not be the best use of Hezbollah’s missiles:
– It’s been established that air power has little capability to degrade the fighting ability of the Resistance (as evidenced all over the middle east from Yemen to Iraq), and appears to primarily serve the purpose of terrorising civilians.
– Hezbollah could “twist the arm” better by simply targeting it’s missile forces at actual IDF infrastructure, which it has demonstrated the capability to hit with great accuracy and reach.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 13:20 utc | 246

Oh this is the current Palestine thread. A repost from the other one then. Edited.
The archetypal imagery of Christianity is the nativity and the crucifixion with the calvary leading to it. The Pontius washing his hands.
The mythical hunt for the baby Jesus, the betrayal and torture by the judaeo priestly hierarchy and the nailing and stabbing on the cross with the crown of thorns.
Anyway what I am talking about is the gruesome, blood thirsty, inhuman, torture condoned and largely carried out by the supposed judaeo peoples under Roman rule. After which they all disappeared, abracadabra, in a puff of smoke!
No Roman Empire. No Judaea! Nothing!
Until the birth of the Holy Roman Empire some CENTURIES later in various parts of Europe eventually residing as the See of Power in the Vatican.
A potted history obviously, not complete or reliable, mainly to point out the violence and torture and baby killing.
That is happening right in front of our C21st eyes and ears of the whole world. It is an exact ‘repeat’ of that imagined history. As if the biblical story was a script to be followed.
The ungodly folk occupying the holy land- the fake priests – guess who?
The Semitic peoples oppressed by imperial forces who have their comprador Pilates – guess who?
The mass murder of new borns and I borns and toddlers and children.
The murder of civilians and freedom fighters alike.
And the torture – oh the fucking torture!
Iconic Imagery has been upgraded for this millennium!
The rows of dead babies !
The crushed and head shot rock throwers.
Now this.
Now – there is the naked Palestine young man in a chair with an armed zionazi imperial stormtrooper soldier/torturer staring down at him.
There is a nail through the guys big toe, his knee is bloody ‘it has been ‘capped’, his crotch is bloody. What other torture he has been subjected to is unseen from the vantage point of the ‘proud photo’ taken by the torturers.
Yet he sits erect, looking straight up into the eyes of the torturer fake semite, invader of his land and killer of his people ,the real ancient semites.
It is an immense image that will surely be as iconic as any in the centuries to come.
No crown of thorns – no crucifix. The chair is the prop.
Just plain simple Imperial khazarian askhaNazi brutality.
Which has not yet finished its work on the proud Palestinian.
We are the Roman Empire , The Collective Waste. We are the Natzios.
We are supporting the fake Jewery … there can only be one end to this.
The one that was described fictionally.
An exit and demise of the Empire and its comprador fake religion and peoples.
To disappear into history as if it never really happened. Just a nightmare.
The shapeshifters are moving on and leaving humanity with such imagery.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 6 2024 13:22 utc | 247

Hochstein received the green light from the Lebanese government for his proposal, though it remains unclear whether Hezbollah agrees with the arrangement.

This can’t be right. For anyone in the Lebanese government to be seriously contemplating negotiating giving away Lebanese land (because that’s ultimately what awaits at the end of any ‘deal’ with the Zionists) to ‘Israel’ is a formal act of treason.
This “green light” nonsense must be more of the usual Zionist lies that proliferate.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 13:25 utc | 248

This is what b’s post is about, not the movie titled “The Holocaust”. Staying on topic was a cool suggestion eh?
The facts
Netanyahu cannot end the war because otherwise he will face prosecution for previous crimes
The Israeli settlers will not agree to a two-state solution.
Neither do the right-wing parties or the Israeli population.
The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank has little popular support. They tend to trust Hamas.
Hamas will not agree to a solution with a West Bank fragmented by settlements.
Hostages and ceasefire
Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire and to exchange all Palestinian prisoners for all hostages.
At most, Israel wants a short ceasefire, all hostages free, only a few prisoners released, and then continue fighting
The Israeli government hardly cares about the hostages. She wants to destroy all of Hamas first.
Hamas apparently cannot be defeated. There will always be pockets of resistance.
There is increasing pressure from the Israeli population to release the hostages. >> The pressure on Netanyahu to release the hostages is growing
The right-wing parties are threatening to break the coalition if high-ranking Palestinians are released. >> This would mean that Netanyahu would be out of the government and subject to prosecution.
Hezbollah and Lebanon
Because the expected successes in the Gaza Strip are not being achieved, there are tendencies in Israel to take action against Hezbollah.
Hezbollah is highly armed and cannot be defeated by Israel. It could even harm Israel and make other areas uninhabitable or even conquer them.
The USA could support Israel in the fight against Hezbollah, but could not defeat it.
Hamas is mobile, has over 100,000 rockets and, like Gaza, a large tunnel system.
Bombing Beirut, as has happened before, would not affect the war, but would generate international opposition.
The Houthis and the Islamic resistance groups in Iraq and Syria.
The Houthis cannot be defeated because they are highly mobile in a rugged country and have eight years of fighting experience against Saudi Arabia.
The same applies to the Islamic resistance groups in the Middle East.
The US and British ships in the Red Sea cannot protect shipping and are easy targets for drones and missiles.
To combat the Houthis’ cheap rockets and drones, expensive defensive projectiles have to be used, which are only available in sufficient quantities. There is no defense for hypersonic weapons.
US bases in the Middle East remain vulnerable despite the bombing of resistance groups.
The Arab and Muslim states do not want to become involved in hostilities in order to avoid losses and to avoid destroying relations with the West.
However, the populations of these states are pro-Palestinian and are pushing for intervention.
Although the US and the West support Israel, they are afraid that the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip will reflect negatively on them and are trying to scale back.
Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Feb 5 2024 19:02 utc | 56

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Feb 6 2024 13:35 utc | 249

This “green light” nonsense must be more of the usual Zionist lies that proliferate.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 13:25 utc | 248
Where was this reported? MSM?

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Feb 6 2024 13:47 utc | 250

The shapeshifters are moving on and leaving humanity with such imagery.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 6 2024 13:22 utc | 247
A powerful imagining.
I would call out to any modern day Titian to paint again the Crucifixion of Christ once again, this time a Palestinian Jesus on the cross of Zionism, with Pontius Biden washing his hands far in the distance while sending his American centurions to pierce the sides of the Christ.
At the foot of Golgotha the Judas ICJ slinks, the pieces of silver already draining from his pockets.
And weeping at the feet of that cross a Palestinian Mary …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 13:49 utc | 251

Where was this reported? MSM?
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Feb 6 2024 13:47 utc | 250
That was pasted from b’s. original post above …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 13:51 utc | 252

The fallout from the rumoured “land bridge” to supply ‘Israel’ (itself the fallout from the Red Sea blockade) begins.
Jordanians On Warpath After ‘Amman Helping Israel’ Expose; ‘End Zionist Land Bridge Else…’

The Jordanian regime is facing revolt over allegedly helping Israel amid the war in Gaza. Hundreds of Jordanians held protests demanding an end to the “Zionist Land Bridge.” The so-called “Zionist Land Bridge” is aimed at circumventing the impact of attacks on ships heading to Israeli ports by Iran-aligned Ansar Allah, also known as Houthis. “We stand united to block the land route that saves the Zionist enemy,” said protesters. Israeli media reported the arrival of shipments from the UAE through a new alternative route that passes through Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

Whether or not the rumours of a land bridge via Jordan are true, it’s proven enough to anger Jordan’s Palestinian majority, the monarchy’s biggest nightmare ….
What if a butterfly should flap it’s wings …?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 6 2024 14:02 utc | 253

I just googled Iran Holocaust conference. The search yielded the following result:
International conference to review the global vision of the holocaust in Tehran, Iran, 11/12/2006 to 12/12/2006. Immediately below is a link to a Wikipedia entry on the subject. The entry begins thus:
“The International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust was a two-day conference in Tehran, Iran that opened on December 11, 2006. Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the conference sought “neither to deny nor prove the Holocaust… [but] to provide an appropriate scientific atmosphere for scholars to offer their opinions in freedom about a historical issue”.[1] Participants included David Duke, Moshe Aryeh Friedman, Robert Faurisson, Fredrick Töben, Richard Krege, Michèle Renouf, Ahmed Rami and Yisroel Dovid Weiss of Neturei Karta.
“The conference was widely described as a “Holocaust denial conference” or a “meeting of Holocaust deniers.”[2]
“The conference provoked strong criticism.[3] The Vatican condemned it, the US administration of President George W. Bush called it an “affront to the entire civilized world,” and British Prime Minister Tony Blair described it as “shocking beyond belief.”[4] Historians of the Holocaust attended a separate conference in Berlin organized in protest against the assembly in Iran, calling it “an attempt to cloak anti-Semitism in scholarly language.”[5]
……
The Wiki article continues under a variety of headings for related topics.
……
Imo this conference caused the uptick in “Iran-backed” codswallop.
It’s funny to see how many Western jew$lave$ were included in the list of Western critics of the conference at the time.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 6 2024 14:13 utc | 254

I notice that threads about Palestine are often taken over by single-issue Holocaust denier posters.
To refute one of the claims, no, there weren’t 15 million Jews in Europe before and after the second world war. Prior to the war, there were about 9 million European Jews, with the 3 million in Poland being the largest community, and almost completely wiped out.
The number of “15 million” refers to the global, and not European, population of Jews in the 1930s.
The Holocaust, one of many genocides in Western history, does not justify nor explain the current massacre in Gaza. There are obviously many Jews responsible there, but so are at this time, Biden, Trudeau, Scholz, Macron, etc. I suspect that part of the reason for this current fight is that the West wants the Gaza fields to undermine Russia.

Posted by: Afro | Feb 6 2024 14:17 utc | 255

I meant Gaza natural gas fields.

Posted by: Afro | Feb 6 2024 14:20 utc | 256

fighting propaganda with propaganda.. i get it, but who wants to live in a world of propaganda?
Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 4:43 utc | 202
That’s your own interpretation and re-framing of what I speaking about, and not mine. What you just did was “propaganda” by dissing what I was suggesting and redirecting the conversation in a negative spirit. So, thanks for that, Real kind and considerate of you.
Taking things back to where I had left them off – I suggest a question you and others might like to entertain is – would like to use a approach that is effective and proven to drive action for the good of all, the common good long term, to reduce harm and abuse and war, or are you happy sticking with what we should know hasn’t worked and will never work?
AND
you’ll have to use your imagination and not rely on others so much for information and etc. etc.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Feb 6 2024 4:48 utc | 204
Seriously? So telling people to go use their imagination … this is a solution for what and for who?

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 14:21 utc | 257

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2024 4:26 utc | 200
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I didn’t write anything about “rewarding” Hamas.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 6 2024 14:36 utc | 258

So WW1 never happened, as that was more than 100 years ago, so it only exists in the writing of insane delusional creeps long dead. Nah, I don’t like this kind of thinking, all history is relevant and will always be relevant, even if its just stories from long ago because all tales have some element of truth in them. Some folktales existed for millennia in oral form before they were finally written down when writing developed. I guess this is a case of different strokes for different folks.
Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 11:39 utc | 241
Don’t let me stop you from completely distorting what I actually said ….. such as ridiculing the fcat that WW1 immediately impacted Palestine via the British …. that led to the Mandate which was implemented on the ground from 1922 when the first Mandate Governor turned up who was a Zionist Jew from Britain with a whole cabal of Zionists to start the immigration and wholesale take over of lands.
Yeah I figure that my figure of 100 years ago was pretty right actually ….. and I never instructed you to be a complete dick about it by forcing you make 3500 years ago equivalent to 1918 either.
I guess this is a case of different strokes for different folks. I can’t do a thing about that! Being polite and sincere sure doesn’t help at all. 😛

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 14:38 utc | 259

good books bad books are just books bits of paper burning them now that is suspicious read them and you be the judge why let a speal berg show you force on you emotion on how to feel. read the protocols and ask yourselves did any of it come to pass?
conspiracy israel
Harry Elmer Barnes (1889-1968) was a pioneer of historical revisionism, meaning the use of historical scholarship to challenge and refute the narratives of history promulgated by the state and the political class, or as Barnes himself termed it,
another good man Paul Rassinier
a political activist and writer member of the French resistance who survived Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora concentration camps. A journalist and editor, he wrote hundreds of articles on political and economic subjects.
very interesting writer his mother was ashkanazi so technically he was special
a book
The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses by Paul Rassinier

Posted by: todd | Feb 6 2024 14:40 utc | 260

Posted by: hedlykarok | Feb 5 2024 23:31 utc | 142
Totally agree, Juliana. The fallacy of ‘money=speech’ is a far-right libertarian wet dream and is the definition of fascism, as desired by Mussolini.

What a peculiar conflation. Libertarians are anti-collectivist; fascism is highly collectivist. In fact, only socialism is more collectivist than fascism.
With regards to Citizens United, “money” already had speech in the form of a handful of corporates owning the media, the idea was that this “money” was a cartel controlling speech, and allowing other non-MSM-owning companies to lobby (read: bribe) would even up the score. Somewhat.
Didn’t quite work out that way, of course.
BTW, corporations aren’t a “libertarian” phenomenon; they are creations of government; all their privileges arise from government edict.

Posted by: Observer | Feb 6 2024 14:41 utc | 261

That the Romans destroyed Ancient Carthage and carried out an extreme genocide of their people and totally destroyed their infrastructure and agriculture is solid predictive proof that all Italians today (and any decedents of the Byzantines) are clearly all Genocidal psychopathic maniacs not to be trusted!!!
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 8:22 utc | 225

Bad analogy. Italians today don’t have the same gods or culture as the genocidal Romans (and probably only some of their genetic material, given the huge waves of invaders that have over-run their peninsula in the last two millennia).
Whereas today’s far-right Israelis do worship the same God as the ancient Israelites, who told them to slaughter, conquer and enslave the non-Chosen.
In fact, they actually claim to be the outright heirs of the Israelites, hence their entitlement to Palestine. They even claim to be the same ethnicity, which is plainly ridiculous, but hey – that’s what they say.
If someone claimed to be a fascist, it would be fair to judge their attitudes and intentions by looking at the “historical” attitudes, intentions and acts of fascists. They’re telling you who they are; believe them.

Posted by: Observer | Feb 6 2024 15:24 utc | 262

@Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 14:38 utc | 259
I can’t understand gay logic.

Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 15:36 utc | 263

I hope the foolishness about an ever-expanding Air Force replacing every other branch of the military — AND the diplomatic corps! — is finally being shown conclusively for the horseshit that it is. Endless bombing neither occupies land, nor changes minds. May anyone in power who heeds these fecal blabberings from NeoCons share their eating of the same foul poop. These people are pigs in slop with endless lies, chewing up airtime with dumb ideas like swine with waste and manure.

Posted by: titmouse | Feb 6 2024 17:59 utc | 264

can’t understand gay logic.
Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 15:36 utc | 263
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Gay logic? What is that? The Tractatus logico-philosophicus maybe?

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 6 2024 18:30 utc | 265

I’m a “Holocaust Denier” because I deny Jews their self-proclaimed distinction as the Sole Victim.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2024 21:47 utc | 109

A friendly variant: I’m a “Holocaust Denier” because I deny Zionists their self-proclaimed representation of the Jewish victims of Nazism and their racist claim to distinction as the Special Victim. A brainwashed acquaintance defended that special victimhood status by saying that “but the Jews were the only ones killed in gas chambers!”– makes the filthy racist Zionists deserving of reparations when they were actually accomplices in the genocide.

Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 6 2024 19:24 utc | 266

@gT | Feb 6 2024 2:44 utc | 186
and others..
not that you’re likely to heed this, but it has to be said: attacking the Jews in any way feeds the Zionist/imperialist justification of genocide against the Palestinians.
Not to mention that the effing “Christians” will never be matched in their genocidal crimes across the globe.

Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 6 2024 22:03 utc | 267

Deeda Weeda aka DMAN 🇵🇸
@DeemTheDreem
Everyone with the last name Al-Astal has been murdered by Israel in Gaza. Israel killed all 88 members of the Al-Astal family, including the children. They don’t exist in the registry anymore.
https://twitter.com/DeemTheDreem/status/1753416067966263659
Posted by: Menz | Feb 6 2024 1:24 utc | 174

The Zionist genocidal entity is probably the first to commit multiple genocides at the same time. Its supporters are not only complicit but will stand accused as accomplices.

Posted by: SlowDL | Feb 6 2024 22:20 utc | 268

gT | Feb 6 2024 7:57 utc | 222
*** Meanwhile Jews from Israel, scared of Hamas and Hezbollah, are now said to be fleeing to Cyprus yet again, they will try to take over there yet again. They tried it multiple times in the past, even in the 1800’s.***
This time they’ve got a UK military base there to assist in their efforts.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 6 2024 22:49 utc | 269

Minaa | Feb 6 2024 11:31 utc | 240…..
Oh yes, why not launder everything. (who decides?)
And ban all inconvenient facts….
Then within the electric mind-fence there can be really free discussion?

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 6 2024 23:04 utc | 270

Yemeni dis track to the zionists
Waiting For The Zionists

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 6 2024 23:47 utc | 271

Observer | Feb 6 2024 14:41 utc | 261
*** Libertarians are anti-collectivist; fascism is highly collectivist. In fact, only socialism is more collectivist than fascism.***
Though there are a comparatively small number of genuine “Libertarians”, most claiming that descriptive in recent decades are basically rabid “free marketeers” (except their so-called markets are *very* far from free) … neoliberals, neocons, sociopaths and debt-money spivs.
They are in effect *extremely collectivist* — so long as the collectivism is that of monopoly-capitalism and its corrupt corporate entities.
They are “anti collectivist” only where the collectivism is that of the public against the corporate predators, usurers and exploiters.
They are very anti-national (though often present themselves as “patriotic” — ie. fervently loyal to *their own* ruling system and its corrupted institutions) since the nation and nationalism is a major potential base of defence against the predators.
They are also very anti-socialist, since genuine socialism — another potential base of united public defence — must inevitably mean opposition to the actions, agendas and existence of their privately owned and controlled monopoly-capitalist institutions.
Are private corporate entities “collectivist”? Is fascism “collectivist”? Are nationalism and socialism “collectivist”?
Is undermining and destroying the only potential bases of resistance to private, corporate dictatorship — the dictatorship of a private and extortionist debt-money / economic system — in reality an extreme “collectivist” action, albeit one carried out under a false flag?
And finally — even if they didn’t have corporatist laws to enforce their position — is rule by a bunch of Oligarchs and billionaires not itself “collectivist” since they, in their very existence, comprise a very distinct and separate Class?

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 6 2024 23:49 utc | 272

SlowDL | Feb 6 2024 22:03 utc | 267
*** has to be said: attacking the Jews in any way feeds the Zionist/imperialist justification of genocide against the Palestinians.***
So never in any way criticise or question the genocidalist mass-murderers — because if you do that then they’ll just get annoyed and kill, lie and extort even more.
Well, that should guarantee a nice future under their dictatorship.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 7 2024 0:03 utc | 273

ROTFLMFAO

@Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 6 2024 14:38 utc | 259
I can’t understand gay logic.
Posted by: gT | Feb 6 2024 15:36 utc | 263

What a total fuckwit! 🙂
Off to the Blocklist he goes! Bye bye sweet pea!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 7 2024 1:54 utc | 274

“Israel will act militarily to return the evacuated citizens to their homes” if Hezbollah doesn’t comply with the demand for a buffer zone, according to Monday statements of Foreign Minister Israel Katz.
Israel is further demanding that the Lebanese government take action, but this has already been rejected in a fresh Tuesday statement:
Lebanese caretaker Foreign Minister, Abdallah Bou Habib, voiced on February 6 the nation’s rejection of recent Israeli and international demands seeking to push Lebanese resistance group, Hezbollah, north of the Litani River, saying Beirut will not accept ‘partial solutions’ to resolving the cross-border conflict.
“Western countries demand the retreat of Hezbollah for about eight to ten kilometers north of Litani,” Bou Habib said in an interview with Nida al-Watan. “This is a formula that Lebanon rejects. [Beirut] will not accept ‘partial solutions’ that do not bring the desired peace and do not secure stability but will lead to the renewal of the war again and again.”
But in reality even if the Lebanese government wanted to try and force Hezbollah away from the southern border it would not be able to do so. The Lebanese Army has long had a very limited arsenal, and really no air force to speak of, due to sanctions and limitations imposed by Washington.

As expected, any notion of an agreement between the Lebanese State and the Zionist occupation is a non-starter on any terms.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 7 2024 3:42 utc | 275

B, US political psychopaths are so DRUNK on Jew billionaire money that the ability to think and reason ceases to exist..
It’s ALWAYS about ISRAHELL and as long as folks are stuck to their line in the sand based on what Israhell wants, nothing will change.
Israhell is getting its ass handed to it in Gaza. Hezbollah is capable of much more. Nasrallah is due to speak again on the 13th of this month. THAT should be interesting.
What really blows my mind is the downright HUBRIS and arrogance of the US/UK/ISRAHELL/gov, all of whom are in the ME ILLEGALLY, demanding that Hizbollah or Palestinians move out or away from their OWN GEOGRAPHY. I mean, HOW DARE THEY? Are the squatters upset? Aaaww poor babies! GROSS!
I personally am tired of this and the longer the GENOCIDE goes on the more outraged I feel.
Just wish more felt the same.

Posted by: Kay | Feb 7 2024 4:58 utc | 276

@malenkov | Feb 6 2024 18:30 utc | 265
Oops, I’ve pissed off the gays on this side, like I give a damn about those weirdo’s.

Posted by: gT | Feb 7 2024 6:24 utc | 277

site not side

Posted by: gT | Feb 7 2024 6:29 utc | 278

The ommission of Turkey’s persistent bombing campaigns in Northern Iraq is telling …
Let alone the supposed terrorist attacks there over the last month which include the stabbing of an Imam in Fatih mosque; an attack in Sariyer church with one shot dead, and yesterday’s gun attack outside a court in Istanbul – all these have been blamed on Daesh and affiliated.

Posted by: What The … | Feb 7 2024 11:16 utc | 279

@ gT | Feb 7 2024 6:24 utc | 277
As far as I know, there’s only one gay at this site — yours truly — and sorry, but you’ll have to try a lot harder.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 7 2024 11:40 utc | 280

https://twitter.com/i/status/1754554707031306515

Posted by: ld | Feb 7 2024 15:36 utc | 281

My appreciation for the edified opinions.

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