Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 2, 2024
Boycott, Divestment And Sanctions

Despite its utter cruelty and destructiveness Israel is far from achieving its goal of ethnic cleansing Gaza. It also has not even dared yet to attack Hizbullah in south Lebanon. This while Zionists settlers had to move out of the areas surrounding Gaza and from the ground near to the Lebanese border.

Netanyahoo is in a trap. He has to 'do something' to allow for the return of the internal refugees to their homes. But any action towards that will cause more death of his troops and may well hurt Israel's strategic viability.

It seems that the Zionist idea of a settler colony exclusively for Jews is coming, slowly but surely, to its inevitable end.

There have long be signs of this. The boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign (BDS) against Israel has been continuously growing.

I remember that some decades ago groceries in Germany were selling 'Jaffa oranges'. These were from Israel – good fruits by the way – but already back then a constant and more or less silent campaign was underway to shun Israeli products. 'Jaffa oranges' are no longer marketed here. I presume that are now used to produce orange juice which can be sold without naming the country from where the fruits in the juice came from.

There were other failed attempts to sell Israeli produce into European markets. A year or two ago some local Aldi store had potatoes for sale with the country of origin marked as 'Israel/Germany'. I talked to the sales manager and protested against that designation. He admitted that it was wrong to use two origins for one product but complained that if he would label the origin as 'Israel' nobody would buy them.

I have since seen no potatoes from Israel.

People check the country of origin when they buy tangerines. Others check the first three numbers of the barcode on canned products. Anything that starts with 729 comes from a company registered in Israel. I don't buy those neither should you.

During my time as an IT executive I had worked with network managers who would shun any equipment from Israel. Not only because there was a high risk that it could be used for espionage but out of principle concern over Israeli policies.

Back in October Starbucks had sued Workers United – the union organizing its employees — because the union had posted a pro-Palestinian message on social media. The result was a global call to boycott Starbucks. Its success is astonishing:

World's biggest coffee chain cuts sales forecast and misses market expectations amid boycottsMSN, Jan 31 2024

The world's biggest coffee chain told investors on Tuesday night there was a "significant impact on traffic and sales" in the Middle East due to the Israel-Hamas conflict.

The impact was also felt in the US as boycotts of the chain took place, chief executive Laxman Narasimhan told attendees of a post-quarterly earnings conference call.

Some had avoided Starbucks in the Middle East and US after it took legal action in October against Workers United for using Starbucks's name and similar logo.

A post from the union's social media account in October expressed solidarity with the Palestinian people before being deleted.

Boycotting Israel related products is the one small thing each and everyone of us can do without much effort of strain.

Over time it will be successful.

Comments

I think that given all the bad blood for so many decades common sense has to prevail, leaving three options:
Two States, separated, with neither having power over the other. Some sort of monitoring force to ensure compliance.
One State – Jewish, all current Palestinians expelled.
One State – Palestinians, all current Israelis expelled.
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 3 2024 0:53 utc | 177
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Okay, let’s discuss that last option.
First of all, what’s with “all current Israelis expelled”? Are you really unaware that roughly 1/5 of the Israeli population is NOT Jewish?
Secondly, nobody, at least not in public, has called for the expulsion of Jews who descended from those Jews who have had land in Occupied Palestine for centuries.
Thirdly, there’s no reason why additional Jews couldn’t live there too, as long as their presence doesn’t entail the dispossession of the land’s rightful owners.
That much said, the way things are looking now (and have looked for decades), this can end only with the expulsion and/or extermination of either the Jews or the non-Jews, so in that respect you’re probably on the mark. But please!—not all Israelis are Jews.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 3:27 utc | 201

@ Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Feb 2 2024 20:46 utc | 106
Thank you for your reply, it is very helpful for this old foggy. Slightly off topic, but the issue of cell phones as very ‘open secret’ for the snoopers – I think that the politically motivated/governmental snoopers of this or other countries, are probably overloaded with the millions of peoples who may be considered ‘suspect politically’ –
G.K. Chesterton wrote: “where does a wise man hide a pebble?” Answer is – on the beach. The ‘great Israeli intelligence services’ may have fallen afoul this overload of information.

Posted by: fanto | Feb 3 2024 3:37 utc | 202

Lukacs 192
That’s fascinating. My great grandfather on my father’s side was Polish Jewish, and my grandmother was a very secular concert pianist.
But traces of Jewishness are quickly removed in English society because of antisemitism as in Budapest.
My great grandfather on my mother’s side was a
French Huguenot engineer who owned a wealthy shipping company in Cardiff. They aspired to join the British Upper class but found the British toffs racist against French Methodists. Not sure if it was being French or Christian they didn’t like..
So I have come to believe that it was my Greatb grandfather who was Jewish with a big black beard my father didn’t like whose prayers resulted in me converting to Islam. But inside Islam I find the South Asian people extremely racist against the British.
I agree with DunGroanin that the USUKIS genocide of Palestine is nothing to do with religion and is about oil and geopolitics.
But if USUKIS wants to break its own International Law, : If salt loses its saltiness , with what will you salt it?
The burning question that I have to address in my own personal life is how the heck the Siuth Asians are going to reach the souls of the English with the beautiful truth of Islam , when they hate the English ?
The religious generations of English people have long perished and the daily media propaganda of the Zionist media against Islam is odious. Weyhill have to wait for the new crop of young British Muslims to teach England Islam, because Time has healed the poisonous legacy of the British Raj.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 3 2024 3:38 utc | 203

sertorius @ 74 wrote:
“But seeing how Jews have been persecuted and brutalized for two thousand years, because they have never had a place they could call their own, and have always been at the mercy of the rest of the world, you must understand that Israel is necessary for their survival. ”
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This is cuckoo. The “safest” place for Jews was Palestine—until the Zionists decided to steal the whole place. And it certainly is not safe now, so what was really the point? The political Zionists (and their descendants, most obviously Binjamin Netanyahu) were opportunistic fanatics who used the Bible to justify their bloody fanaticism. They didn’t “lead their people” into safety. They created a perfect storm of antisemitism and now the victims of political Zionism claim to be the victims of those whom they displaced and murder. We are seeing 300 Palestinians basically murdered in cold blood every day, and the Jews are whining about their victimization—the world is nauseated.
I don’t know why people who are perfectly aware of class division and class privilege in goyisch societies, which feature class divisions and separated “estates”—whereby the elites are bloodsuckers on the body of the regular people— are blind to the existence of Jewish elites, especially among European Jews. In fact, Jews who emigrated from the East and Middle East to Eastern Europe seem to have taken on this class coloration with enthusiasm. Whether they be financial tycoons, rabbis, or political Zionists, they have harmed their Jewish “flocks.”
One of the greatest sources of harm has been the promulgation of an atavistic, tribal, supremacist, exclusionist ideology and projected it into the modern age, which has separated Jews from the rest of the human race and incurred the latter’s annoyance, disgust, resentment, and ultimately hatred.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:46 utc | 204

The burning question that I have to address in my own personal life is how the heck the Siuth Asians are going to reach the souls of the English with the beautiful truth of Islam , when they hate the English ?
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 3 2024 3:38 utc | 202
You’re as bad as the American singalongs. The question would be why would the Asians want anything to do with perfidious albion?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 3 2024 3:47 utc | 205

If, after direct order from the ICJ to ceasefire, the Israeli genociders continue with their broadbased ethnic cleansing /murder campaign, and if the UN refuse to enforce the ICJs ruling, a strong multinational force must be deployed to confront and stop this aggression immediately.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 2 2024 20:04 utc | 97
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I totally agree.
But who will organize this multinational force?
The Houthis? African nations? Maybe South Africa?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:50 utc | 206

Patroklos writes:
“Thus, my question is, given that Israel is not going to disappear, can it become a mutli-ethnic secular state in which all its inhabitants can hope to live well?”
NO. Israel is going to disappear. Israel will be exterminated. Sooner or later, but exterminated it will be.
The Israelis, the Zionists and the Jews will be welcomed in Hell. The sooner they all leave the better.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 3:54 utc | 207

sertorius @ 74 wrote:
But seeing how Jews have been persecuted and brutalized for two thousand years …
That’s Lying Bullshit!
because they have never had a place they could call their own…
That’s Lying Bullshit!
and have always been at the mercy of the rest of the world…
That’s Lying Bullshit!
you must understand that Israel is necessary for their survival…
AND That’s Lying Bullshit too!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 3:58 utc | 208

The question would be why would the Asians want anything to do with perfidious albion?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 3 2024 3:47 utc | 204
Because they live there, of course. Giyane is talking about South Asians in UK.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 3 2024 4:03 utc | 209

Years ago after a motza of intoxication with a Germanic type who had acquired a ‘ Champagne grove ‘ with money ‘, rather than an inherited title , nor from trench warfare . Anyway after the last bottle of ‘VVF Bolli ‘, not his obviously, was extinguished … to rev up the party ! I pulled out an Israel invention / product , soda stream . Anyway pulled a couple of bottles of aged , tired whites . A Chardonnay/ and a Pinot ( Blanc ) , but after blaring and blasting , SODA , the whites had transformed ! Whilst serving them in an appropriated Bolly VVF , by gosh . I restarted WW1! Anyway apart from the lack of yeast flavour … it doesn’t matter when you’ve had a half dozen already !

Posted by: Paleologos | Feb 3 2024 4:25 utc | 210

But who will organize this multinational force?
The Houthis? African nations? Maybe South Africa?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:50 utc | 205
I’d recommend Turkey as the lead army / power.
Closely followed by the Saudis, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon. Almost 1948 v2.0
Backed up diplomatically and militarily first by Russia, China, South Africa. And then military armed forces involvement by India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
With additional early military and humanitarian aide logistics support by Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
As well as IRAN, Azerbaijan and Armenia, and the Taliban army from Afghanistan.
And maybe even Oman, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Yemen, and Bahrain.
Plus Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Philippines, and Viet Nam, and even Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, Columbia, Peru, Mexico, and Equador.
And then additional support including ground forces where possible by Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Morocco, Somalia, Tunisia, Mauritania, and Sudan. With Mali, Niger, Tanzania, and Senegal.
Whoever can assist is a bonus. The more the merrier. Many hands make Light work!
Readers might note a pattern arising here in the lists.
It’s way past time they all nailed their colours to the Mast!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 4:42 utc | 211

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 2:29 utc | 193
You ask “why get personal?” and then get personal. And now it seems I’m not welcome because I work at a university as a perfesser and like a Spanish fortified wine. The comments section is a bit of an echo chamber now, with too many ad hominem attacks. I do try to add content here with a certain sincerity but it’s not worth the insults unfortunately.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 4:49 utc | 212

Malenkov @ 195:
Do all multi-ethnic societies necessarily have to include non-Jewish people?
Historically Jewish people themselves have come from different societies with different customs and traditions, and spoken different languages. The irony is that once Jews from across north Africa and the Middle East were compelled to migrate to and live in Israel, they were compelled to speak Hebrew, use Hebrew names and accept European culture. They had to forget their original cultures and histories, and their cuisines and music were plundered by Zionist elites and claimed as “Israeli”.
It seems that some MoA barflies here don’t understand that non-Western Jewish people themselves have been subjected to cultural genocide … by Western Jews.

Posted by: Refinejenna | Feb 3 2024 4:50 utc | 213

Posted by: Refinejenna | Feb 3 2024 4:50 utc | 212
What you wrote was told to me practically verbatim from a Jewish friend from Morocco.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 3 2024 5:01 utc | 214

I do try to add content here with a certain sincerity
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 4:49 utc | 211
When was that?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 5:11 utc | 215

Lavrov’s Dog @ 198:
So what is objectionable and abhorrent about saying that in the past, wealthy Jews exploited poor Jews and left them at the mercy of Galician peasants with pitchforks, led by Bohdan Khmelnitski, coming for their feudal Polish overlords (with whom the rich Jews fled) back in 1648? Bear in mind that Khmelnitski is held in high regard by Banderites in Ukraine.
And do you not think that repeating old stereotypes about Jewish people’s behaviour, as DuchessandBob did @ 82, provides hay for hasbara trolls like Sertorius to play with and demonise Bernhard H and the Moon of Alabama blog?
We can criticise Israel’s genocidal policies against the Palestinians, and Binyamin Netanyahu’s criminal behaviour in exploiting the genocide for his personal benefit to stay out of jail, without resorting to repeating anti-Jewish stereotypes and giving Sertorius and his/her fellow pro-Zionist propagandists fuel to discredit MoA and bring it and Bernhard into the target sights of the Scholz government.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 5:12 utc | 216

For me, the first public “display” of BDS was while living in Paris in 2006, and the relevant produit was patate douce: sweet potato.
I said to the young bloke in my brutal schoolboy French: Vos patates doux proviennent d’un lieu qui s’appelle “Israel”. Avez vous les autres qui proviennent d’autre part?
Response: Non, monsieur. Y’a que ca. Desole.
(Apologies for absence of accents: no idea what the AltGr key is on this keyboard)
Anyhow, The Lovely was sure we would be denounced, reported and kicked out…but nothing happened.

Posted by: Kratoklastes | Feb 3 2024 5:34 utc | 217

[Starbucks’] chief executive Laxman Narasimhan

Colour me amazed that the guy at the helm of a company that exemplifies goyslop is almost certainly the product of a culture that has no deep attachment to Western Enlightenment values.

Posted by: Kratoklastes | Feb 3 2024 5:42 utc | 218

Small detail you may or may not have noticed about last night strikes on Syria and Iraq. Kirby said that the Iraq government had been informed in advance. As the militias targeted are financed and effectively employed by the Iraq government, there is not a single doubt that the targets were forewarned, and made themselves scarce before the bombs arrived. The whole thing was just for show.

Posted by: Laguerre | Feb 3 2024 5:53 utc | 219

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 5:11 utc | 214
Search my posts going back to 2018. Never heard of you.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 5:56 utc | 220

Peter AU1 204
I.personally am not either perfidious or Albion
But I get gaslighted for the crimes of people who are 100 to 300 years in their graves.
Admittedly not Amelek 4000 years in their graves, but what’s the difference ?
It’s racism. It makes you feel that theyvwant to genocide you. And it doesn’t help that white-haired old men preach this hatred in the mosques. Like the Likud ear cabinet .
Oh well, when they do it, they can be Perfidious Albion

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 3 2024 6:03 utc | 221

When was that?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 5:11 utc | 214
Yes, long before you were here, JW.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2024 6:03 utc | 222

Since we all seem to agree that Arab land taken over by Israel should be given back, should we apply the same principle to German land taken over by Poland
Posted by: Sertorius | Feb 2 2024 17:52 utc | 56
The Poles aren’t busy genociding the Germans on their land or holding them in an open-air concentration camp at this very moment, you imbecile fuck.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 3 2024 6:07 utc | 223

canuck – i see you as a shit disturber.. i am not impressed with you.. jonathan – that was a cheap shot..

Posted by: james | Feb 3 2024 6:09 utc | 224

Search my posts going back to 2018.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 5:56 utc | 219
That’s a bit thick old chap but I am sure there is a certain sincerity there somewhere if you put together all your posts over the past few years. Dreadfully sorry but never heard of you either before your bullshit about your sherry.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 6:09 utc | 225

If you want to hit Israel in the wallet, there are 2 simple things anyone can do. The first is: refuse to buy anything with the “729” barcode prefix. Remember: “729 you must decline”. The other thing is to have nothing to do with cut diamonds. The trade in these baubles accounts for an astonishing proportion (around 40 per cent, I think)) of Israel’s entire export income.
Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 2 2024 21:43 utc | 122
I will see what I can do to make my workplace stop using Iscar tools. They’re good tools but it’s an Israeli company. This is directly in response to your mentioning cut diamonds.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 3 2024 6:16 utc | 226

Israel Shahak: “Indeed, close analysis of Israeli grand strategies and actual principles of foreign policy, as they are expressed in Hebrew, makes it clear that it is ‘Jewish ideology’, more than any other factor, which determines actual Israeli policies. The disregard of Judaism as it really is and of ‘Jewish ideology’ makes those policies incomprehensible to foreign observers who usually know nothing about Judaism except crude apologetics.”
more from the horse’s mouth:
“Classical Judaism, which is clearly discernible in this period, has undergone very few changes since then, and (in the guise of Orthodox Judaism) is still a powerful force today.”
“Classical Jewish society has no peasants, and in this it differs profoundly from earlier Jewish societies in the two centers, Palestine and Mesopotamia. It is difficult for us, in modern times, to understand what this means. We have to make an effort to imagine what serfdom was like; the enormous difference in literacy, let alone education, between village and town throughout this period; the incomparably greater freedom enjoyed by all the small minority who were not peasants – in order to realize that during the whole of the classical period the Jews, in spite of all the persecutions to which they were subjected, formed an integral part of the privileged classes. Jewish historiography, especially in English, is misleading on this point inasmuch as it tends to focus on Jewish poverty and anti-Jewish discrimination. Both were real enough at times; but the poorest Jewish craftsman, peddler, land-lord’s steward or petty cleric was immeasurably better off than a serf. This was particularly true in those European countries where serfdom persisted into the 19th century, whether in a partial or extreme form: Prussia, Austria (including Hungary), Poland and the Polish lands taken by Russia. And it is not without significance that, prior to the beginning of the great Jewish migration of modern times (around 1880), a large majority of all Jews were living in those areas and that their most important social function there was to mediate the oppression of the peasants on behalf of the nobility and the Crown.”
“Everywhere, classical Judaism developed hatred and contempt for agriculture as an occupation and for peasants as a class, even more than for other Gentiles – a hatred of which I know no parallel in other societies. This is immediately apparent to anyone who is familiar with the Yiddish or Hebrew literature of the 19th and 20th centuries.”
“Most east-European Jewish socialists (that is, members of exclusively or predominantly Jewish parties and factions) are guilty of never pointing out this fact; indeed, many were themselves tainted with a ferocious anti-peasant attitude inherited from classical Judaism.”
According to jew Israel Shahak, it’s not anybody but the practitioners of judaism that poisons jews:
“It is a fact which must be remembered, not least by Jews themselves, that for centuries our totalitarian society has employed barbaric and inhumane customs to poison the minds of its members, and it is still doing so. These inhumane customs cannot be explained away as mere reaction to antisemitism or persecution of Jews: they are gratuitous barbarities directed against each and every human being.”
I am getting my information from the jew named Israel Shahak in his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, and I stand by what he wrote and I said. 15 years ago I, too, was writing that “israel” had a right to defend itself. 10 years ago I was writing that judaism is not zionism. Then I read books BY JEWS who revealed the truth about judaism and I lost my blinders. Now I see zero redeeming features in it. It’s a CULT, not a religion – jews themselves said it isn’t a religion like Christian or Islam.
It’s a CULT of evil that has as its most fundamental pillar the rejection of the equality of man, the absolute condemnation of equality of humankind. It is wicked, dangerous, it exists to deceive, it thrives on genocide of “the other” BY DEFINITION.
The idea that it is what I say that invites harm to Palestinians is LUDICROUS. It’s STUPID. Those who apologize for jews and judaism risk getting most of humanity killed. I welcome ANY “other” to be my next-door neighbor; any color, creed, religion – any group at all – but NOT jews because they are LETHAL enemies of mankind save for the wealthpower giants they nurture, cultivate, empower.
Shahak again: “It must be pointed out that in all the worst anti-Jewish persecutions, that is, where Jews were killed, the ruling elite – the emperor and the pope, the kings, the higher aristocracy and the upper clergy, as well as the rich bourgeoisie in the autonomous cities – were always on the side of the Jews. The latter’s enemies belonged to the more oppressed and exploited classes…”
“The whole racist propaganda on the theme of the supposed superiority of Jewish morality and intellect (in which many Jewish socialists were prominent) is bound up with a lack of sensitivity for the suffering of that major part of humanity who were especially oppressed during the last thousand years – the peasants.”
“Classical Jewish society was particularly dependent on kings or on nobles with royal powers. In the next chapter we discuss various Jewish laws directed against Gentiles, and in particular laws which command Jews to revile Gentiles…allow one and only one exception: a Gentile king, or a locally powerful magnate… As we shall see Jewish doctors, who are in general forbidden to save the lives of ordinary Gentiles on the Sabbath, are commanded to do their utmost in healing magnates and rulers…”
Those snips are just the tip of the iceburg and if you haven’t read that book you ought hold your opinion until you do. And that’s just one book!
Humanity would be wise to end judaism just like it ended nazism. Zero tolerance is needed. judaism’s apologists are mis-informed and lack self-respect and survival instinct.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Feb 3 2024 6:23 utc | 227

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 6:09 utc | 224
“before your bullshit about your sherry”
What bullshit exactly??? There were other drinks on the list. No idea what’s rubbed you the wrong way. I don’t have a problem with you (or at least not till now). I was responding to Canuck’s post about there being better drinks than soft drinks loaded with fructose; I agreed with the sample he posted and added some more. Something about that upset you clearly, but I don’t see what could possibly be offensive about that (or about anyone’s taste for that matter). But your ‘perfesser’ remark suggests you think you know me (or something) and have decided to launch ad hominem attacks. Maybe we should stay OT.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 6:26 utc | 228

But your ‘perfesser’ remark suggests you think you know me (or something) and have decided to launch ad hominem attacks. Maybe we should stay OT.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 6:26 utc | 227
I didn’t say perfesser, someone else did. Too much to drink from your list? And OT normally means off topic which is what you do very well: “better drinks than soft drinks loaded with fructose”. What? “I don’t see what could possibly be offensive about that” What?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 6:33 utc | 229

Tichy @222
The Poles successfully ethnic-cleansed the Germans from Schlesien and Pommern right after ww2.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 3 2024 6:55 utc | 230

What a bunch of worthless asshole barflies adding no value to the threads but sniping at each other….sad
ZH has a posting up with the title
US Strikes At Least 85 Targets In Iraq & Syria, Including From B1 Bombers
The quote I found interesting

This week, the US Navy saw its closest call yet when a Houthi-launched cruise missile came within a mere mile of the destroyer USS Gravely.
Details have only just emerged late in the week based on the accounts of several US defense officials. Presumably other longer range anti-air defenses failed as the missile was inbound close the ship. CNN describes:

In the past, these missiles have been intercepted by US destroyers in the area at a range of eight miles or more, the officials said. But the USS Gravely had to use its Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) for the first time since the US began intercepting the Houthi missiles late last year, which ultimately succeeded in downing the missile, officials said.
The CIWS, an automated machine gun designed for close-range intercepts, is one of the final defensive lines the ship has to shoot down an incoming missile when other layers of defense have failed to intercept it.

So this “last line of defense” which utilizes a 20 mm radar-guided canon had to be activated. The mounted weapon is a General Dynamics and Raytheon-produced ship defense system which engages closely inbound targets…

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 3 2024 6:56 utc | 231

@Jonathan W: you’ve never heard of me? I recall we once had a civilised conversation.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 8 2022 19:24 utc | 90
Excellent. How refreshing to hear that. But the Roman sense of principle had its societal aspect as well. We are seeing it in reverse in the West in the moral rot within. We don’t even need a revolution as the whole damn thing is about to collapse under the weight of its own sense of guilt.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Aug 8 2022 20:08 utc | 100

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 7:12 utc | 232

Good morning all.
Have cought up with last nights comments and wonderd if i was on the right blog, or some fusty ole profs history site, dusty and smelling of pee, an excess of wine by the looks of things, enjoy your hangovers. Me ? I’m refreshed and recharged.
So il pick up just where i left off.
Thanks bluesuade shoes, George Galloway is a hero.
So having established that the british political system is at preasent run by jews and that is why mass murder is being commited on the Palistines for jewish financal gain.
We can and should ask how did jews get such a hold on UK & US.
Remember the Israele jewish lobby groups, researched by electrtic interfarder site ?
Infiltrating politics, universitys and media.
Slowly the jews took over the levers of power, in a very nefareous way, a criminal way. Funded by israel mossad slush money, the oposition hacked by mossad and media moguls.
Thats why the jews have now taken over Britain. They took over palistine by a different methord but the result will be the same.
Boycots are good bombing is better.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 7:25 utc | 233

@ Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 5:12 utc | 215
You are asking me to explain it to you? I’ll think about it. But I am not motivated to do so now.
A hint might be that “poor miserable set upon oppressed jews from 1648 has FUCK ALL to do with Israel, Gaza, 27500 Palestinians being slaughtered or today’s obnoxious Zionist Jews in or out of the SHIT HOLE that is Israel.
For now, B is quite capable of dealing hasbara clowns here (and others) without your ‘help’. You’re not helping one bit.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 7:28 utc | 234

The irony is that once Jews from across north Africa and the Middle East were compelled to migrate to and live in Israel, they were compelled to speak Hebrew, use Hebrew names and accept European culture. They had to forget their original cultures and histories, and their cuisines and music were plundered by Zionist elites and claimed as “Israeli”.
It seems that some MoA barflies here don’t understand that non-Western Jewish people themselves have been subjected to cultural genocide … by Western Jews.
Posted by: Refinejenna | Feb 3 2024 4:50 utc | 212
CRY ME A RIVER …. wtf is wrong with you? No, don’t answer, I really do not care.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 7:33 utc | 235

#66 wrote:
“Personally I feel that the solution for this problem would be for Israel to offer Israeli citizenship to the Arabs living in Palestinian land and fully integrate them in Israel.”
Uh, there are more Palestinians than Jewish Israelis, so any “one-state solution” would see Israel voted out of existance. Literally, the only way for Israel to exist (as a Jewish-run homeland) is to oppress the locals and deny them the vote.
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As for Jaffa oranges, they’ve existed for centuries and were the source of (then quite rare!) imports into Europe since the Crusader days (oranges do grow in Europe esp Portugal and Spain but they generally taste quite bitter whereas Jaffa oranges are super sweet). They’re named after the port city of Jaffa, which long predates Israel. These days, it’s mostly just a suburb of Tel Aviv and doesn’t really produce many oranges anymore.
Instead, the big export fruit from Israel now is “sweeties” or green (skinned) grapefruit. I ate one once (my wife never looks to see the country of origin) and didn’t find it particularly sweeter than a regular grapefruit, so I think it’s mostly a marketing gimmick.
In my neck of the woods, the most predominant Israeli products are those “sweeties” and then lots and lots of household chemicals (for cleaning the sink, bathroom, etc) for whatever reason. Must be some nasty factories churning that stuff out somewhere in Israel.

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Feb 3 2024 7:53 utc | 236

Multi national Gaza force
If, after direct order from the ICJ to ceasefire, the Israeli genociders continue with their broadbased ethnic cleansing /murder campaign, and if the UN refuse to enforce the ICJs ruling, a strong multinational force must be deployed to confront and stop this aggression immediately.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Feb 2 2024 20:04 utc | 97
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I totally agree.
But who will organize this multinational force?
The Houthis? African nations? Maybe South Africa?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:50 utc | 205
I back this idea to the hilt, but unfortunately I cannot see it happening- the Zios will oppose it absolutely unless the UN force were composed of Western troops- who of courser they would have leverage over.
Jane is correct that a Hothi, South African/Moroccan force is the most sensible and (IMO) a very ethical one. Maybe Türkiye would be a good addition, but no other NATO involvement.
In any case in the unlikely event this ever happens the UN must be really committed, and the troops be quite willing to fight and kill the Israeli terrorists that would almost certainly be deployed.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 3 2024 7:58 utc | 237

Giyane | Feb 3 2024 6:03 utc | 220
I go to the Kimberlys and very few Aboriginals trust whitey. Now why would that be?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 3 2024 8:01 utc | 238

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 4:42 utc | 210
Sorry, I did not read this post before doing my own (at 236), but mine is in the same spirit.
But I repeat, could such a sane idea ever be put into effect???

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 3 2024 8:04 utc | 239

One of the greatest sources of harm has been the promulgation of an atavistic, tribal, supremacist, exclusionist ideology and projected it into the modern age, which has separated Jews from the rest of the human race and incurred the latter’s annoyance, disgust, resentment, and ultimately hatred.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:46 utc | 203

It would be hard to purposely engineer a group that creates stronger negative externalities.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 8:17 utc | 240

RE Jane – But who will organize this multinational force?
@ Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 4:42 utc | 210
Plan of attack?
Russia and China do airlifts for forward positioning of multinational materials and troops to Sinai, Saudi arabia, Jordan, and Syria.
China naval; blockade via Arabian/Red Seas, Iran Persian Gulf, Russia/Turkey the mediteranean.
Major air/naval missile assaults and sorties from Med Sea by Turkey & Russia.
Long range missile assaults (and defenses) via Iran, Syria, Russia Black/Caspian seas, China naval fleet, and Russia aerospace forces.
Air assault sorties from Saudi Arabia, Jordan AF
Land forces multinational south via Egypt Sinai; Saudi Arabia, Jordan
Eastern multinational land forces from Jordan, Iraq positions.
Northern multinational land forces from Turkey, Syria, Lebanon.
Western multinational marines forces from the Mediterranean, Russia/Turkey and others
2nd line of defense
Indian Air force and Navy
India, Pakistan, China, Russia nuclear ready response
Reserves of China and Russia naval / air force missiles
Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh ground forces in ready reserve North, South, Eastern theaters
2nd phase Peacekeeping Police actions to secure captured territory Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and Sudan.
Undercover local Militias to act as pre-assault Special Forces Units with Turkey/Russian/Pakistan logistics transportation and support
One month for unannounced/secret military preparations within nations.
Two month preparation for forward deployments movements.
24 hour notice to surrender and Palestinians to scatter seek cover.
Done and dusted in 6 days and Israel is no more.
Who will Israel attempt to Nuke? No one is my guess.
What can Israel do to stop it? Nothing at all.
What will the US, UK and Nato do? Nothing is my guess.
Are they going to attack Russia and Turkish forces in the Med?
Attack China, India and Iran around the Arabian Sea?
Nuke Iran first?
Take out Medina?
Bomb Cairo?
A missile strike on Istanbul?
Shoot down military air transports delivering Troops, Arms and Equipment from around the world?
Ask Zelensky for help?
Call for a Vote at the UNSC?
Pray?
…. I’m just saying.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 8:20 utc | 241

Common Dreams is running the following news article:

800+ US, European Civil Servants Condemn Governments for Fueling Israeli War Crimes
“We are obliged to do everything in our power on behalf of our countries and ourselves to not be complicit in one of the worst human catastrophes of this century.”

More than 800 government officials in the United States and Europe released a letter Friday criticizing their countries’ leaders for providing unconditional military and diplomatic support to Israel as it inflicts disaster on Gaza’s population.
The civil servants, who signed the letter anonymously due to fear of reprisal, wrote that their attempts to voice concerns internally about their governments’ support for Israel’s assault on Gaza “were overruled by political and ideological considerations.”
“We are obliged to do everything in our power on behalf of our countries and ourselves to not be complicit in one of the worst human catastrophes of this century,” the letter reads. “We are obliged to warn the publics of our countries, whom we serve, and to act in concert with transnational colleagues.”
continues …

https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-european-officials-gaza

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 8:33 utc | 242

A very good interview on bbc radio 4 soon after 8.15 am, gmt.
An Iranian profesor calmly give’s Irans up to the minute opinion on the latest bombing in Iraq and syria.
If you want to be put in the geo picture, listen and learn. Well done the beeb.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 8:36 utc | 243

I don’t think people are that interested in US air strikes anymore tbh. It is like deja vu of deja vu and meanwhile the genocide is just going on.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 8:48 utc | 244

I guess people are just trying to keep the nightmare away from their own backyard as long as possible, fully aware it is only a matter of time until it is at their doorstep. E.g. a stabbing in Paris just now.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 8:54 utc | 245

25,000 Rohingas killed in genocide up to 2018 ….. many more now.
On 23 January 2020, the International Court of Justice ordered Myanmar to prevent genocidal violence against its Rohingya minority and to preserve evidence of past attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide
Israel has killed more people in 3 months in Gaza and the West Bank … just saying.
If nothing changes, nothing changes. And nothing is changing, in case you missed it.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 9:01 utc | 246

US air strikes
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 8:48 utc | 243

Shock and awe has lost its luster. The season’s successful propaganda will need more bread than circus.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 9:01 utc | 247

released a letter!
That’ll fix ’em quick smart. Nothing like a letter to make psychopaths start shakin’ in their boots
apologies for being repetitive. venting. that’ll fix ’em ….

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 9:04 utc | 248

The season’s successful propaganda will need more bread than circus.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 9:01 utc | 246
Man, we need more cowbell! 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 9:06 utc | 249

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 9:01 utc | 246
Quite, Biden also “promised” the strikes within a very limited time window. If you miss it even by one minute there will be no shock and awe. In the meantime he sanctioned some WB settlers. What is going on? Can there be any clearer message the US is scrambling? Not that anyone really cares.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 9:06 utc | 250

Tichy @222
The Poles successfully ethnic-cleansed the Germans from Schlesien and Pommern right after ww2.
Posted by: AJ | Feb 3 2024 6:55 utc | 229
I am aware and that takes nothing away from the comment I made to the hasbara troll.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 3 2024 9:11 utc | 251

Johnathan W @ 243
Here in eng land stabbings are the latest fashon, children stabbing their class mate.
Fueds between local estates. ect ect. Eng has gone trible. Degenerated into savagery without motive the police too.
National self harm. and nilism, coused by brainwashed hate programing.
Explains the forgien policey.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 9:16 utc | 252

Иранские прокси снова атаковали американскую базу в Ираке. На этот раз в Иракском Курдистане. Ночью, во время ударов США и чуть позднее, наносились удары по американским базам в Сирии. Как уже говорилось ранее, удары США в попытках сохранить лицо на Ближнем Востоке уже мало кого впечатляют и не ведут к достижению сколь-нибудь значимых целей. Что прекрасно понимают и в США, где кроме бодро отчитавшегося Пентагона, остальные структуры достаточно скептически оценивают и саму атаку и подготовку к ней.
Iranian proxies have again attacked a U.S. base in Iraq. This time in Iraqi Kurdistan. At night, during the U.S. strikes and a little later, strikes were carried out on American bases in Syria. As mentioned earlier, U.S. strikes in an attempt to save face in the Middle East no longer impress anyone and do not lead to the achievement of any meaningful goals. This is well understood in the United States, where, in addition to the Pentagon, which cheerfully reported, other structures are quite skeptical about both the attack itself and the preparations for it.
tg

Posted by: more war | Feb 3 2024 9:43 utc | 253

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 2 2024 21:43 utc | 122
I will do my bit and not marry again providing Israelis an income from a diamond wedding ring.
Back to usa air strikes. Syria is angry as most bombs were on the syrianarmy positions that are currently fighting remnants of ISIS that usa protects near their An Tanf base. How convenient and predictable

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 3 2024 9:52 utc | 254

More war @ 252
Good point, as your comment says can also be said for the western navy in the Red Sea.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 9:52 utc | 255

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 8:36 utc | 242
Would that be Prof. Mirandi?
How can we listen?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2024 9:54 utc | 256

Waynorinorway @ 255
It will be on the bbc podcast site, untill reacently you could just tap in the details i stated an just listen. This last month or so it seems to need an email adress or a phone number. A pain but not a concern.
Yes i think it was prof Mirandi.
One thing for sure it wont be repeated, it was to dam good.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 10:04 utc | 257

How can we listen?
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2024 9:54 utc | 255
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001v3dl
replay available for four days. Today is a 3-hour show, 6-9 am UK time, so it’ll be around 2/3 way through

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 3 2024 10:07 utc | 258

Laguerre @ 257
I’d love to hear your view on it, a veiw i always respect.
Cheers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 10:19 utc | 259

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 4:42 utc | 210
Nice roll call! Bring it on.
Not Philippines, sadly, they have crossed over to the other side, fully up the US arse as a proxy against China.
Bases going up to nine, one just across the channel from Taiwan, joint exercises in the South China sea. They’d soon be put in their place by their masters. Ecuador I think in the same bag?

Posted by: Walt | Feb 3 2024 10:21 utc | 260

Re: boycott
One trick I‘ve successfully applied is:
Me to my Lefty Friends: “the owner of that company is a Trump supporter, gives lots of money “
Lefty Friend: “ I’m never buying that ever again”
Me to my Rightist Friends: “the owner of that company suppprts Biden/Obama/Pelosi , gives lots of money “
Rightist Friend: “ I’m never buying that ever again”
Works every time.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 3 2024 10:26 utc | 261

Walt
Always good to see you here, give us some of your wisdom please.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 10:26 utc | 262

re 257, wrong link. should be:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001vzkd
I’ll listen to it and get back to you, Mark2 258.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 3 2024 10:26 utc | 263

DuchessandBob @ 226:
Excuse me, but in reading your rants about Israel Shahak and his book “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”, I get a very strong impression that your reading and interpretation of his work is not based on the book’s merits, but merely confirm what you already believe.
You appear to have cherry-picked and quoted whatever he wrote, because what he said apparently confirms your own prejudices.
I would not like to think that your ranting and your conclusion about Judaism indicate that your ethics are little better than those whom the Russians are fighting in Ukraine and in particular those who are supporting the neo-Nazis in Ukraine as much as they are supporting Binyamin Netanyahu, his ministers, the Knesset and all those in Israel who support genocide against the Palestinians – but the more you carry on the way you are doing at present, the more you expose yourself.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 10:27 utc | 264

This is what Muslim BOYCOTT looks like🔥🔥🔥
Thanks you Malaysia❤
Stand with Palestine 🇵🇸
Keep BOYCOTTING child killers🩸🩸🩸
#BoycottMcDonalds
#BoycottPizzaHut
#BoycottStarbucks
https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1753690992304124383

Posted by: Menz | Feb 3 2024 10:30 utc | 265

Peace keepers in Gaza , means peacekeepers on border with Lebanon . Means peacekeepers in Jerusalem . Means Peacekeepers in Washington . Means A , “”” JEWISH SPRING “”” ( CIA are you listening , coup , whatever and the cleansing of certain enemies of Humanity that peddle victim cult to wash their SINS ! Jerusalem becomes no- ones ! No one’s . A multi faith tax free haven . No one’s . ! Go on , who wants peace ?

Posted by: Paleologos | Feb 3 2024 10:32 utc | 266

Lavrov’s Dog @ 233, 234:
If you’re not keen on discussing things, and my questions to you @ 215 are answered by your apathetic response, why do you comment on the MoA forums then?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 10:35 utc | 267

laguerre | Feb 3 2024 10:07 utc | 257
Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 8:36 utc | 242
Laguerre, your link led to a Jan. 9, 2024 podcast. But from there I clicked on ‘More Episodes’
and found today’s podcast. With Mark2’s info that it was about 8:15a.m. I was able to find it
at the 1:16:45 mark. Mirandi 1:16:45
Just prior to that is a short bit by some Western General @ 1:12:50 for a lead in to Mirandi.
Mirandi is always good!
Thanks guys.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2024 10:36 utc | 268

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 10:19 utc | 258
I did listen to the Marandi interview. The interviewer was very aggressive, as is usual on the BBC when the interviewee does not represent the British government view. Marandi’s main point was that Iran does not have to do anything in response to the US airstrikes, as they were not an attack on Iran, but on Syria and Iraq. He’s quite right there. There’ve been more attacks on US bases in Iraq since, but Iran will do nothing.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 3 2024 10:44 utc | 269

Thanks both compared to nearly all interviews.
That interviwer was a pussy cat.
Main thing is we got the truth from Irans perspective, the back ģround detail was priceless from a uk perspective cutting clesn through the… lies lies lies.
Cherrs

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 10:58 utc | 270

why do you comment on the MoA forums then?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 10:35 utc | 266 and 263
To send blowhard judgemental folks like you to the naughty step. You’re not half full of yourself, eh. I call this place the Holy Church of Big Egos (there’s so many of them) Bye! 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 10:58 utc | 271

Lavrov’s Dog @ 270:
Well, don’t let the door hit you on the way out or you might just suffer a bruised ego yourself.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 11:05 utc | 272

Boycoting is good.
A concerted telephone blitz is legail and instant. As an example … pick a day ring all labour party phones on mass, asking relavent questions like why are they supporting Genicide, or why did they vote against a cease fire ? How many people have died since,ectra.
With good social media support, it would send a big message. Jamming the switch board for a day or much longer.
We got 3 actavists free doing that in less than a day, they couldnt kick them out fast enough. Ahh happy days.
The streets will win this war.
Who’s streets ? are streets !
And Iran and Russia kmow it. Count the days.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 11:31 utc | 273

Well let’s get back on topic, shall we, this is supposed to be about BDS.
Just scanned through the Muslim boycott list, there’s a few shocks there, can easily detach myself from Linked in for example but as someone remarked earlier there are no substitutes for some, such as AirBnB. HSBC is a problem, anyone know what puts them on the list?
Thanks Mark2!

Posted by: Walt | Feb 3 2024 11:39 utc | 274

Doing a search on it. HSBC has operated in Israel since 2001 and is financially involved in the arms trade with Israel too. Well Hang Seng is not on the list, I have some transfers to arrange tomorrow.

Posted by: Walt | Feb 3 2024 11:51 utc | 275

I think HSBC were implicated in partys run by epstian for top manigment. If you add that to arms trade deals big money investments for polatitians, for influence. We got from there to here.
From memory

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 12:16 utc | 276

HSBC has been providing banking services to the settlements.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 12:25 utc | 277

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 12:16 utc | 275
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 12:25 utc | 276
Thanks. That settlement activity is really beyond the pale. I will strip my holdings in HSBC to a minimum but I just remembered that they have a majority holding in Hang Seng. These banks don’t pay any interest now even in their so-called investment accounts. So perhaps I should just keep cash under the mattress?

Posted by: Walt | Feb 3 2024 12:45 utc | 278

Posted by: ebear | Feb 3 2024 12:51 utc | 278
Yes, that’s the list I am working from.
I just scrubbed my Linkedin membership and you get to explain why when you unsubscribe.
I am enjoying this.
It’s getting on to bedtime here so I’ll just relate a little anecdote before departing.
Some months ago I gave a link here and on Craig Murray’s blog to a film I made in the West Bank on a visit in 2019, “A Taste of Palestine”. It was on Vimeo because I was already boycotting YouTube. It got over a hundred views.
A few days later I got a message from Vimeo that someone had reported me for using copyright music on another video. I had used Vimeo for about ten years with over a hundred videos uploaded. I used to pay the usage fees for sampling recorded music but gave up because my audience was only family and friends and I figured it would not backfire on me. So I had two choices: go through the entire collection and delete the offenders, or scrap the lot. Well, you can guess.
One nil to the bad guys, I’d guess.

Posted by: Walt | Feb 3 2024 13:11 utc | 280

in re: diamonds
Y’all need to read up on the EU’s Price Cap Coalition (alias G7) “sanctions packages”, 1-12.
Start here. End here, lucky #12.

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 3 2024 13:24 utc | 281

@Trolls and sea-lions: Pleeeease, at least try to give the impression you are trying:
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
The topic. Facts. At least that. This is a bar where one can drink everything. Even Sherry. Or milk. You can follow up an off topic path some times. No serious person here would object or cry for help.
But this endless “jew this jew that”, “Khazars”, Bible, Talmud, their invisible friend is more invisible than my invisible friend, false flag, muslims do this, jews do that and christians are followers of jesus, is really getting annoying.
Don’t you have some place where you can shout those old tropes at each other without polluting the threads here? If you really are communicating and not just trying to destroy this nice bar at the end of the road?

Posted by: Darkness | Feb 3 2024 13:38 utc | 282

Refinejenna writes: “Do all multi-ethnic societies necessarily have to include non-Jewish people?”
That’s the strangest questionI’ve ever encountered. South Africa for instance is multi-ethnic, and yes, I imagine it would have to include non-Jews.
But we’re talking “Israel”, which, despite the Nakba atrocities and expulsions, and because of subsequent land grabs, lords over millions of non-Jews. You really think *they* should be excluded?

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 13:41 utc | 283

Re diamonds:
Maybe this is a teachable moment for the world. Why do women absolutely need a “rock” as a sign of commitment?
Myself, I wear my deceased father-in-law’s ring. Can’t get much more meaningful than that.
Or maybe “more meaningful” is possible. A student of mine, of relatively modest means, had a wedding ring tattooed onto his left ring finger. I’m not a fan of tattoos, but I was impressed by the gesture.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 13:59 utc | 284

by malenkov | Feb 3 2024 13:41 utc | 282
In every nationalistic craze, feeling overly immune, with a strong military advantage, Israelis are behaving just like the Serbs did in 1990 former Yugoslavia, when they were ethnically cleansed areas they considered as theirs. Everyone who was not Serbian was an enemy, undesirable and kicked out, alive or dead, humiliated and brutalized along the way.
The same is in Israel, where everyone who is not a Jew is not worth even a 1 cent. Israelis will love to see those go, or die, no matter. 60% is against the ceasefire, where one can assume the rest 40% has even worse attitude.
Israel is not designed to be a multi-ethnic society, not they ever tried. That is why it is a failed project and at the end it is doomed, pretty much.
There are very few proper multi-ethnic states, Russia being one, India, South Africa and China following, while on the West multi-culti charade has been a farce and a great failure.

Posted by: whirlX | Feb 3 2024 14:06 utc | 285

“There are very few proper multi-ethnic states, Russia being one, India, South Africa and China following, while on the West multi-culti charade has been a farce and a great failure.”
Posted by: whirlX | Feb 3 2024 14:06 utc | 284
I believe Canada is also a ‘proper multi-ethnic state.’

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 14:14 utc | 286

Re re diamonds. The trade has always been about “value added”.
But semiconductor technology is about to shake things up ==> https://orbray.com/magazine_en/archives/1401

Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd. (Adachi-ku Tokyo; President and CEO Riyako Namiki) has succeeded in developing a mass production method for ultra-high-purity 2-inch diamond wafers. This ultra-high-purity diamond contains no more than 3 ppb (parts per billion) of nitrogen atoms, as required for quantum applications, such as quantum computers*1, quantum memory*2, and quantum sensing devices. The newly developed diamond wafer has a 2-inch diameter (approximately 55 mm), much larger than the 4mm×4mm crystal currently available. This new technology is expected to propel the advancement of quantum applications. Adamant Namiki plans to commercialize the product in 2023.

Of course there is lots of competition in the synthetic diamond process field. And Russia is a leader.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 14:18 utc | 287

malenkov | Feb 3 2024 13:41 utc | 282
There are 2 million Israeli Arab citizens (21% of the total population), so Israel is a multi-ethnic state. Israeli Arabs are mostly well integrated and a peaceful part of Israeli society. Addition of another 2 million Arabs from the West Bank would not disturb the Jewish cultural make up of the country.

Posted by: Sertorius | Feb 3 2024 14:21 utc | 288

“American intelligence officials say that while Iran provides weapons, funding and sometimes intelligence to its proxy groups, there is no evidence that it calls the shots — meaning it may not have known in advance about the attack in Jordan”
NYT

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 14:27 utc | 289

@ whirlX | Feb 3 2024 14:06 utc | 284
I don’t know what you mean by “proper” but there are many more multiethnic states than you seem to realize. Most African states, for instance, thanks to the hideously arbitrary borders bequeathed them by their colonialist oppressors. Spain has Basques, although it’s reluctant to admit it has Catalans. Myanmar has significant ethnic minorities that are in more or less open rebellion against the Burmese-dominated authorities. The Malay minority in Thailand and Hmong minority in Laos seem to have stopped shooting—for now at least—and the latter country seems to have moe than s little official awareness of its multiethnicity.
And then there’s good old blond-haired, blue-eyed Germoney with its huge Turkish population, much of which has naturalized and is now even forming its own political party….
Come to think of it, there aren’t many single-ethnicity states (with or without powerless and statistically insignificant minorities: think Sorbs) in the world.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 14:28 utc | 290

“One of the greatest sources of harm has been the promulgation of an atavistic, tribal, supremacist, exclusionist ideology and projected it into the modern age, which has separated Jews from the rest of the human race and incurred the latter’s annoyance, disgust, resentment, and ultimately hatred.”
Posted by: Jane | Feb 3 2024 3:46 utc | 203
The real culprits are not the Jews. There are Orthodox Jews who get beaten by IDF in Israel for being pacifists.
The real problem is the Anglo/Zionists of which many are Jewish.
If an Israeli, for example , agrees with Likud for no ceasefire in Gaza they stop becoming Jews they become Zionists and should be despised.
The Anglo/Zionists have laid a clever trap for goyim by conflating Jews with Zionism.
Jane you are too sophisticated to be snared by this propaganda trick.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 14:30 utc | 291

So it seems that the answer to the BDS ramping up regardless of it supposedly being illegal as in ‘heretic’ – is to rush to the new sky is falling on our (Zionazi) heads hate mongering narrative.
To calm our fevered brows a fable, a parable, a potted history …
So let me take us back over a hundred years ago in the midst of the Great War – the other one with trenches – the setting being the Cabinet Office in Downing Street as great generals and statesmen debate the idea sent throughout by CP Scott (the father of the Manchester Guardian, now the deepstates mouthpiece and betrayer of Assange and Corbynites, suppprter of Zionists and neocons endless wars) and his ‘friends’ who we’re representing the Zionists under Lord Rothschilds rule.
The scene had been set , the Fed was up and running, the potus was being held back from supplying the British with serious boots on the ground because there was a grand whiz and last minute prize to be grabbed. The Russian royals had been deposed; the Bankers Bolsheviks had succeeded in their plans – there was no need for an an eastern front anymore. Or even a western one. The War would soon be called off. Where Napoleon and others had failed in the Khazar dream of conquest. , money planning and a few thousand Latvian mercenaries had succeeded.
All was to be theirs. Including the Crimea and the old Khazar lands after centuries. They would finally be able to throw off the bloody sheepskin disguise of Jewery , and actually just keep their Talmudic , Money Ownership , Slave Owning , Trading and Contractual Infallibility!
The final empire could finally emerge from all the centuries of being the masterminds of every single European Imperial claim and colonisation. They would be the kings of all.
They already had the US as that wholly created and owned vehicle – with its evangelists and melting pot of all other European nations. He’ll they even had Australasia and all points reached by sea power.
All that was needed was a cherry on that cake. It went back to the early C19th when the already owned Crown had raised the prospect of a Homeland for the White Khazarians in the Semitic Levant to the Egyptian and Turkish overlords. A Zion! That would lay claim to the whole Levant and join up the land gate between the World Island and Africa.
The Cabinet office was split between the agents of Redshielders and anglicised Khazarians who had outgrown their roots and were as English as English can be. Spreading Englishness through the Never Sun setting on Empire. They really believed they were doing the world a favour with the ‘civilisation’ and law they were bringing. The rational modern world of science and technology. The meritocracy. The professional armies. Actually not wholly racist!
The Great General of India said fuck off, no way can there be such a racist homeland in the Levant – because that racism was now a thing of the past. He knew , he was Jewish. The Nobility and Norman Aristos were accepting of such Jewish faith English families and intermarriage.
So they said ok we won’t do it now get back to the Raj and keep the Jewel safe!
The minute he left town – in came Balfour with his short contract , a declaration immediately published in the Times and in the US ! Forever to be used as the title deed upon Jerusalem and The Palestine and the Greater Levant! The Fed got a massive debt upon the Empire and its bloodsucking began.
Abracadabra it was a fine deal …. Except not many of the Anglicised and Americanised khazarian folk wanted to go and be the colonisers for their masters ! Even the oppressed in Europe wanted to go to the New Lands rather than some Arab lands they had NO connection with by birth.
Worse the Russian plan had taken a surprising turn- they had been betrayed by the death of Lenin and Stalins refusal to deliver the lands to the Khazars! So a new proxy war was needed! They picked on the wretched Germans again.
That required raising fascism and hate of Stalinism. The Proxy Nazis that would have to go and physically restart an Eastern front and take it for the Khazar Masters.
A pretext of the enemy within being raised the Judaeophobia of the rent collectors and money lenders being somehow related to the anti communism – a strange deal!
Even that didn’t work ! Leningrad and Moscow and Stalingrad survived, the European Army was defeated again. So a grand Crime of Jew hatred was needed as the Soviets threatened to take all of Europe to stop the never ending invasions !
A mass of settlers were needed to settle their paper cherry! It needed legitimacy and physical reality.
So voila finally as a consolation prize rather than a cherry on the cake the Illegal Apartheid Entity was suddenly born with many a Fascist and Nazi vicious bastards installed as exactly the fascists Zion and an actual Holocaust of the real Semitic peoples started.
Now , today, with the failure to take Crimea and failure to yet again destroy the RF and the Chinese might and the Persian and Syrian survival, along with the willing partnership of the Global South – there is nothing left except the cherry and their last wholly owned empire, the USA , for the Khazars.
Along with its 5eyes and European husks.
That cherry is rotten and has slipped into the dirt as it was always going to. The cake is rancid. Uneaten. Inedible even.
Just goes to prove that you can’t have it and eat it too ! even if you are a self professed Masters of The Universe and Owners of the World with some Declaration by a Dead Empire that had no right to offer it.
So they must go, retreat to the US , with it turned into a Khazar heaven turned hell for its deluded ‘citizens’. The only thing left is their god Money but even that looks like it will be lost. With that an end of power over the world after a Millenia – the end of the dream.
Oh and a sob story of ‘they all hates us , poor liitle smeagleses because we are what we are! What we always were. ‘ A Lie.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 3 2024 14:31 utc | 292

by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 14:14 utc | 285
From what I could see, it was mainly French-English majority dominating over non Anglo Saxons and its native tribes, but in a definitely more civilized way than Canadian Southern neighbors. At least, they pretend very well. A bit like Australians.

Posted by: whirlX | Feb 3 2024 14:31 utc | 293

@ Sertorius | Feb 3 2024 14:21 utc | 287
I see that you omit the 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. Hmm, wonder why.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 14:33 utc | 294

A lack of gentic divesty In a species is a sereous problem, look at the Banana or olive or alasation dogs. Pick an mix everytime.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2024 14:39 utc | 295

Here is Aleks’s opinion:

Unfortunately, Israel’s prime minister condemned his country to strategic defeat. I acknowledge that Iran, with Chinese help and Russia’s approval, showed a red cloth to the Israeli raging Bull (Netanyahu). And this bull made a fatal but entirely predictable error and charged right into this red cloth—right into Gaza. This was a fatal mistake! And it can’t be reversed. This genie can’t be put back into the bottle.
Israel has lost a significant number of human lives in northern Gaza, as well as numerous military assets. Israel is not a big country, and its armed forces are not as big as many think. The tank forces have been seriously degraded.
Israel’s next goal would be to conquer southern Gaza. From a military perspective, the logical move would be to cut it off from the Egyptian border. And yes, Hamas withdrew to southern Gaza and would commit to a last stand there. But then… Israel began to withdraw from several places in Gaza. It withdrew significant brigades to reposition them to the Lebanon borders. Why?
It doesn’t make sense. Israel had a chance, by suffering serious losses, to conquer Gaza, but at the last minute, it stopped and began to withdraw. That’s not what Netanyahu would do.
I want to offer an opinion. I can’t verify it, but I assume that Netanyahu received credible intelligence, perhaps from the Americans or others, that Hezbollah is ready to enter Israel from the north as soon as the Israelis are fully committed to the battle for Southern Gaza. Which essentially would deal a death blow to Israel.
Now, we must understand that Israel does not have the forces left to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. It has already lost significant armored resources; it has no experience in peer-to-peer combat. And it is far too small. Hezbollah is battle-hardened, as it learned through its ground operations in assaulting occupied Syrian cities. They are well-equipped, organized, and trained. Moreover, they have the modern missiles needed to decapitate Israel’s infrastructure and airfields within days.
Frankly, I think this is a very tense situation. I don’t know whether Israel will invade Lebanon. Israel is physically not able to do that but still, Netanyahu could decide to do it out of desperation. If this order follows, it will be the end of the Israeli state as we know it today. I want to stress that I firmly believe that Hezbollah would not engage in any war crimes against the Israeli people (I have no idea how they would react to the “settlers”). This whole operation is an Iranian/Chinese/Russian operation, and I’m firmly convinced that Russia’s support for this operation was given in exchange for guarantees that the goal is a two-state solution, as required by the UN SC Resolution 262. And guarantees that civilians will remain unharmed.
Honestly, I don’t think that there is any way out of this situation without a strategic Israeli defeat and surrender. And this is Netanyahu’s sole responsibility. He betrayed his country and his people by doing what he did.
Still, there is hope for a peaceful solution. As far as I can see, intense backchannel negotiations are taking place between China, Russia, and the regional powers to reach an agreement to transition peacefully to a two-state solution. Nevertheless, we have not yet reached the degree of Israeli defeat that would require Israel to agree. It is like Ukraine. Ukraine has also already lost, but a lot more defeat is needed before it eventually surrenders unconditionally.
As always, I must highlight here that what I have written does not represent my opinions/wishes, etc. It is a dry analysis of the situation in the region, which is tragic and disastrous. First and foremost, for the situation of the Palestinian people!
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/chickens-in-the-middle-east-i

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 3 2024 14:43 utc | 296

In my state in the USA like many other states to support boycott of Israel means no teaching jobs or government contracts.

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | Feb 3 2024 14:46 utc | 297

I wholeheartedly agree. The Zionists need a viable economy. If they are hit where it hurts most, the ability to make money out of illegal occupation of Palestine, then the Zionists have no alternative but to concede defeat or move out of Israel!

Posted by: L K | Feb 3 2024 14:46 utc | 298

Where’s the bouncer? This bar has become a trashy disco fight club overnight and needs a clearing out.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2024 14:50 utc | 299

The Zionists need a viable economy.
Posted by: L K | Feb 3 2024 14:46 utc | 297

I doubt very much that Israel needs “viable” economy in the way you think it does. To a very large extent Israel exist to be a payments transfer hub for undeclared trade that occurs elsewhere. It is an offshore money haven where trades are made on the blackest of dark pools.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2024 14:54 utc | 300