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February 2, 2024
Boycott, Divestment And Sanctions

Despite its utter cruelty and destructiveness Israel is far from achieving its goal of ethnic cleansing Gaza. It also has not even dared yet to attack Hizbullah in south Lebanon. This while Zionists settlers had to move out of the areas surrounding Gaza and from the ground near to the Lebanese border.

Netanyahoo is in a trap. He has to 'do something' to allow for the return of the internal refugees to their homes. But any action towards that will cause more death of his troops and may well hurt Israel's strategic viability.

It seems that the Zionist idea of a settler colony exclusively for Jews is coming, slowly but surely, to its inevitable end.

There have long be signs of this. The boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign (BDS) against Israel has been continuously growing.

I remember that some decades ago groceries in Germany were selling 'Jaffa oranges'. These were from Israel – good fruits by the way – but already back then a constant and more or less silent campaign was underway to shun Israeli products. 'Jaffa oranges' are no longer marketed here. I presume that are now used to produce orange juice which can be sold without naming the country from where the fruits in the juice came from.

There were other failed attempts to sell Israeli produce into European markets. A year or two ago some local Aldi store had potatoes for sale with the country of origin marked as 'Israel/Germany'. I talked to the sales manager and protested against that designation. He admitted that it was wrong to use two origins for one product but complained that if he would label the origin as 'Israel' nobody would buy them.

I have since seen no potatoes from Israel.

People check the country of origin when they buy tangerines. Others check the first three numbers of the barcode on canned products. Anything that starts with 729 comes from a company registered in Israel. I don't buy those neither should you.

During my time as an IT executive I had worked with network managers who would shun any equipment from Israel. Not only because there was a high risk that it could be used for espionage but out of principle concern over Israeli policies.

Back in October Starbucks had sued Workers United – the union organizing its employees — because the union had posted a pro-Palestinian message on social media. The result was a global call to boycott Starbucks. Its success is astonishing:

World's biggest coffee chain cuts sales forecast and misses market expectations amid boycottsMSN, Jan 31 2024

The world's biggest coffee chain told investors on Tuesday night there was a "significant impact on traffic and sales" in the Middle East due to the Israel-Hamas conflict.

The impact was also felt in the US as boycotts of the chain took place, chief executive Laxman Narasimhan told attendees of a post-quarterly earnings conference call.

Some had avoided Starbucks in the Middle East and US after it took legal action in October against Workers United for using Starbucks's name and similar logo.

A post from the union's social media account in October expressed solidarity with the Palestinian people before being deleted.

Boycotting Israel related products is the one small thing each and everyone of us can do without much effort of strain.

Over time it will be successful.

Comments

Statement by the Yemeni Armed Forces regarding targeting targets of the Israeli enemy in Umm Al-Rashrash (Eilat) with a number of ballistic missiles
In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
God Almighty said: {O you who have believed, if you support Allah, Allah will support you and make your feet firm.} God Almighty has spoken the truth.
A victory for the oppression of the Palestinian people, who until this moment are subjected to aggression and siege
The missile force of the Yemeni Armed Forces, with the help of God Almighty, carried out a military operation against specific targets of the Israeli enemy in the Umm al-Rashrash area, south of occupied Palestine, with a number of ballistic missiles.
The Yemeni Armed Forces affirm their continued implementation of their religious, moral and humanitarian duties towards the oppressed Palestinian people, in response to the calls of our free Yemeni people and the calls of all free people of our Arab and Islamic nation.
The Yemeni armed forces will not hesitate to carry out further military operations against the Zionist enemy on land and at sea until the aggression is stopped and the siege on the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip is lifted.
God is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs, the best protector, and the best helper
Long live Yemen, free, dear and independent
Victory belongs to Yemen and to all the free people of the nation
Sanaa, Rajab 22, 1445 AH
Corresponding to February 2, 2024 AD
Issued by the Yemeni Armed Forces
🚩 @ResistanceTrench

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/24087

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 2 2024 20:26 utc | 101

Are we happy with the disproportianat number of jews running our political partys ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 20:34 utc | 102

Just on the news: US launched revenge attack for Tower 22 incident, trying to hit targets in Syria.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 2 2024 20:37 utc | 103

Israeli Foreign Ministry published a video where Palestine is completely erased from the map.
The West Bank, Gaza, and the annexed Golan Heights territory are all absorbed into Israel.

https://t.me/rtnews/56183

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 2 2024 20:37 utc | 104

https://bdscoalition.ca/boycott-list-of-shame/
Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 16:00 utc | 14
Bad list
It criticizes every Canadian politician, except the Conservative Party, who’s leader declared Israel is the one suffering genocide.

Posted by: Meh | Feb 2 2024 20:44 utc | 105

@fanto #92:
Briefly, since veering OT, almost all chips will have ‘political baggage’ and some spy gear embedded. Search for least-bad hardware, then search for capable software. I don’t use my phone for much so I don’t give 2 phuqs for who might spy on it. It’s a Samsung product, so supported/supports Empire in some way or other.
There are several Linux distros for phones (I haven’t tried), but it’s a chore and expense to play mix-n-match with hardware/software/provider, the provider part often being sticky. If your choice is strictly BDS-driven, buy a Huawei or something else from China. You’ll probably get spy gear, but it may not work (or degrade) in western networks. Also, remote chance a Chinese company is also in some way supporting Empire.
Further aside: I’m starting to view my phone as a security chit, a kind of active signet. Less as a communications device. It’s very good at keeping keys/passwords, etc. It’s leaky as phuq for comm.
China and Russia are both accelerating chip development, very close to Intel for desktop CPU right now, and China may have an edge on everybody else in graphene devices. Watch this space! 🙂

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Feb 2 2024 20:46 utc | 106

“In my family it’s been 5 decades shunning Israeli products as the Khazarians ( of origin Ukraine?) continue with their terror.
Many non-Jews confuse Israeli Zionism with Judaism.”
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2024 18:59 utc | 78
Impressive post.
I hope you will post more often.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 20:47 utc | 107

Beyond its wildly overrated military, the real vulnerability of the Apartheid State is economic, especially in a world where Western largesse is fading.
They are about to find this out when a huge chunk of the planet starts seriously shunning them. #BDS

Posted by: muttman | Feb 2 2024 20:51 utc | 108

Since we, the civilized peoples of the Earth, have been persecuting, robbing, killing and insulting Jews for the last 2,000 years, I suppose boycotting Israeli products Isreal committtind genocide is quite acceptable.
Posted by: Sertorius | Feb 2 2024 15:52 utc | 12

Just sayin’

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 2 2024 20:54 utc | 109

“I have to say that remarks such as those DuchessandBob @ 82 express, provide fertile ground for the likes of Sertorius @ 74 and elsewhere in this comments forum to justify Israel’s genocide of Palestinians.”
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
Your post was well nuanced.
Conflation of ‘Zionism’ with ‘Jews’ is a clever strategy and posters like DuchessandBob-who mean well, are good people-fall into the cunning trap..

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 20:55 utc | 110

Posted by: todd | Feb 2 2024 16:14 utc | 20
Is Ned Flanders your old man?

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 2 2024 20:59 utc | 111

Thank you for sharing this link- to see how bad it really is in Germany. The point that you can soberly discuss any arab country except Israel, it’s really Darkness.
Posted by: Darkness | Feb 2 2024 17:16 utc | 44

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Feb 2 2024 21:05 utc | 112

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2024 19:50 utc | 91
Thank you very much Tom. Likewise. I did a lot of business in UAE. Including royal families and supporting the F117 base, Al Dophra. BTW I refer to only security management. And especially the larger airports. I dont know of any intl Israeli managment of ports. The Chinese have a large share of the port management business as well. 34 major ports and 2000 small. IIRC they were set to renovate and manage Haifa. But the US nixed that one. Security experts are how the Israelis are branded. Pay them a lot of cash and you wont have terrorist problems, wink wink.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Feb 2 2024 21:06 utc | 113

Posted by: Honzo | Feb 2 2024 18:23 utc | 65
Excellent point and worth thinking about. A very Hudsonian observation.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 2 2024 21:09 utc | 114

I’ve heard it said that DuckDuckGo is israeli owned. Is this true?

Posted by: hispanidad | Feb 2 2024 21:12 utc | 115

Here in Britain the country is now run by jews, and thats not hyperbole it’s fact.
As evidenced in december when an overwhelming majority of polaitians voted to continue the Genicide of Gaza. A small area the size of the ise of white (look on a map)
Using bombs and weapons made by british tax payers money for OUR defence.
Weapons now used to mass murder inocent children women and men by the tens of thousands, demoloshing
Their homes and comunitys.
Fuck the jews.
Shame on you canuck.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 21:16 utc | 116

@ Meh | Feb 2 2024 20:44 utc | 105
its not a great list.. i agree with you.. and definitely the leader of the cons needs to be on the list, as he is a rabid israeli ideologue stooge.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 21:21 utc | 117

Even in cities that had Jewish ghettos, most Jews living there were poor and themselves were exploited by richer Jews. The Jews who worked as tax collectors for Polish nobility were protected by their employers but their fellow Jewish poor suffered the brunt of persecution by peasants whose experience of Jews was limited to the tax collectors.
For all that, the irony is that for most of the past 2,000 years, the Jews were treated better in Muslim-ruled countries generally than in Christian countries,…
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
This is what I have been sensing. It is worth taking a look at Iran and the Jewish quarter. I think much of this revolves around the muslim world just taking out the bad apples and not letting them rise to positions of influence/power.
In Iran, Jews can run prosperous businesses, but cannot take on official positions. In the western world, this doesn’t seem to have been done and results in massive backlash against all jews rather than just the bad apples.
Current Israel and Zionism though is a different animal to the historical. With the protection of the anglo world, it is the bad apples unleashed with many others drawn into it.
Like wahhabism, it is a belief system that can very easily tip into extremism.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 2 2024 21:23 utc | 118

Here in Britain what party would you vote for if you were against Geniciding palistinans ?
Let me help … we have several partys.
(Answer) none, ther is none that oposse it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 21:23 utc | 119

Posted by: Sertorius | Feb 2 2024 18:47 utc | 74
This is a little confused logically. Israel has existed as a place where Jews can emigrate should they choose to live closer to the ancestral ‘biblical’ sites that mean something to them. But why can’t others live there too? Why does it have to be exclusively Jews? Jews live all over the world without a problem. In some parts they’ve done very well, and like many other ethnic migrants they’ve often secularised and simply passed into the citizenship of the wider community they live in. Israel too could have been a place where Jews had a special place but not an exclusive one, where Israeli citizenship took on a political character instead of an ethnic one.
Consider Paul of Tarsus: he was a Roman citizen. He wasn’t a ‘Jewish-Roman’. Roman citizenship’s great success lay in the substitution of a political definition of belonging for an ethno-religious one. This mentality was one of the reasons why he could reconfigure Christianity as an ecumenical movement (from oikoumene ge, ‘the inhabited earth’—apologies to those who hate it when I refer to classical languages). Paul could offset larger humanity against the exclusivity of a sect precisely because he had the Roman polity as a counter-weight. The fusion of Christianity and Roman identity takes on a certain significance as a result.
Yahveh is the god of the Jews, that is, the hypostasis of an ethnic identity. Paul levered Christ into the ‘son of man’, in turn displacing Yahveh altogether, so that Pauline Christianity would end up laying the basis for a generalised conception of the ‘human’.
Israel could just simply be a country with a multicultural population where citizenship was the basis of legal-political identity first, with, if they wanted, a special place for a Jewish past. But true progress here would be to allow a secular state to abandon the nationalism, which is just the reassertion of ethno-religious chauvinism.
That said, this kind of revanchism usually has an ulterior motive, typically a land grab. There’s oil in them thar hills and the only way to offer a legitimate cover story for pillaging it is freedom fighters, free settlers, yada, yada, since time began.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 2 2024 21:27 utc | 120

https://bdscoalition.ca/boycott-list-of-shame/
Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 16:00 utc | 14
“Bad list
It criticizes every Canadian politician, except the Conservative Party, who’s leader declared Israel is the one suffering genocide.”
Posted by: Meh | Feb 2 2024 20:44 utc | 105
The Canadian conservative party as regards Israel may be as bad or worse than the as ruling Liberal party.
A very good Canadian friend works for the KSA government in the real estate sector. In 2014 John Baird, the conservative Foreign affairs minister at the time made a trip to the Middle East. He was to visit Israel then KSA where he was to meet with 10 or so top KSA officials and they invited my friend, as he is a Canadian, to attend as well.
This turned into a shit storm.
Baird like an idiot, whom he certainly is, agreed, at the last minute , urged by the Israeli government to switch his meeting from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He did.
Well when he arrived for the meeting in KSA not one of the 10 officials attended, only my buddy was there. Doing official business in Jerusalem is a ‘no no’ for the Arabs.
My friend said it was the most awkward 10 minutes of his life. Baird or his underlings didn’t understand or did not comprehend their ‘faux pas’. My friend attempted to diplomatically explain the situation but to this day he doesn’t know if that lunkhead, Baird, understood what he was talking about.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 21:33 utc | 121

If you want to hit Israel in the wallet, there are 2 simple things anyone can do. The first is: refuse to buy anything with the “729” barcode prefix. Remember: “729 you must decline”. The other thing is to have nothing to do with cut diamonds. The trade in these baubles accounts for an astonishing proportion (around 40 per cent, I think)) of Israel’s entire export income.

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 2 2024 21:43 utc | 122

Stop killing civilians and children. Stop the war with poor Palestine.
We should stop supporting Israel by buy their goods and support them to kill children, women and poor civilians.

Posted by: Kamran Haider | Feb 2 2024 21:49 utc | 123

cut diamonds. The trade in these baubles accounts for
Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 2 2024 21:43 utc | 122

Diamond trades are fungible. An easy way to wash money.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 2 2024 21:49 utc | 124

It’s not even necessary. The Jewish brand is dead. No one even wants a Jewish doctor lawyer or banker. It’s done, stick a fork in it.
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 2 2024 16:25 utc | 25
Don’t tell me in 2024 Saul Goodman would have to change his name!
(Breaking Bad joke… in the show, Bob Odenkirk’s character says he’s Irish but changed his name because the Jewish-sounding one got him more business)

Posted by: Lukacs | Feb 2 2024 21:56 utc | 125

Ormat – major Israeli energy company with a Nevada subsidiary has major “green energy” plants in Nevada. The plants and geothermal fields often exploit public lands and harm biodiversity. At least some power gets exported to California. Or Vegas – maybe helping keep the garish lights on in some of those Adelson’s casinos???
https://minerals.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/mineralsnvgov/content/Programs/Geo/NVGeoPowerPlants_20210709.pdf
Ormat gets Nevada state tax breaks. AND they may get DOE federal subsidies for plant development. Am not sure about the latter – needs to be researched.
A 2023 article shows Ormat acquiring geothermal and solar plants in NV, UT and CT.
https://investor.ormat.com/news-events/news/news-details/2023/Ormat-to-Acquire-Contracted-Operating-Geothermal-and-Solar-Assets-in-Nevada-Utah-and-Connecticut-for-271-Million/default.aspx
Beware of who may be supplying your energy …

Posted by: castilleja | Feb 2 2024 21:59 utc | 126

Boycott the west. Am i right?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 2 2024 22:02 utc | 127

85 air strikes in Iraq and Syria

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 22:03 utc | 128

I boycott Israeli and US product since Years recently for example I bought a photovoltaic system for my roof and the seller pushed solar edge inverter and optimizers he even offered a big discount
Well solar edge is Israeli and I bought Huawei 😁
I also check the Ean codes when I buy things
Israeli Ean starts with 729

Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Feb 2 2024 22:16 utc | 129

I boycott Israeli and US product since Years recently for example I bought a photovoltaic system for my roof and the seller pushed solar edge inverter and optimizers he even offered a big discount
Well solar edge is Israeli and I bought Huawei 😁
I also check the Ean codes when I buy things
Israeli Ean starts with 729

Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Feb 2 2024 22:16 utc | 130

The United States cannot afford to bomb Iran, so the U.S. is bombing Syria and Iraq instead. Right now.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 2 2024 22:16 utc | 131

“Fuck the jews.
Shame on you canuck.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 21:16 utc | 116
With crude, inchoate emotions like that you would fit in well with the Black Lives Matter crowd. maybe you could help burn down ghetto stores?
If you can’t discern Zionism from secular Jews whom abhor the Gaza situation you are on the same level as the people you hate.
Here’s a poem by Mohammed Younas that may help you get rid of your Bad Karma:
“Don’t hate!
Hate comes round to you;
As does love come round…
…to the person who loves;
I do feel it when someone…
…hates or loves me.
All is my doing.”

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 22:17 utc | 132

I already don’t like all our politicians. But come on that list [https://bdscoalition.ca/boycott-list-of-shame/ ] is crazy. I will have to live under a rock and eat things that I grow.

Posted by: Calgary guy | Feb 2 2024 17:09 utc | 37
My thoughts are similar. The other list james provided (https://theislamicinformation.com/news/list-of-brands-supporting-israel/ ) lists even more companies, like Sony and Nintendo. I’m not sure if that list is “even crazier”, but I’d be interested in what connections Sony and Nintendo, especially the latter, have with Israel besides the use of Israeli-made components. (Microsoft is already understandable, and they’re out for other reasons as well.)
Valve (Steam) isn’t mentioned in that list, and neither is Lenovo. At least with PC gaming, multiple hardware vendors’ hardware can run the same software as long as it’s x86-compatible and can run Linux.
Even so, where does Lenovo source its parts?
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One of the lists lists Dr. Pepper as a brand to boycott. In the US the brand is owned by Keurig Dr. Pepper, its own company. Outside of the US, it’s owned by either Coca-Cola or PepsiCo. depending on country. Is Keurig Dr. Pepper guilty of any Israel-related activity to a similar degree as Coca-Cola and PepsiCo.?

Posted by: joey_n | Feb 2 2024 22:17 utc | 133

US air strikes timed (4PM EST) to headline network evening news broadcasts in the U.S.
However, US is playing whack-a-mole. They’ve had to arrange another Blinken regional tour, supposedly to discuss a “humanitarian cease-fire”. This seems to be a response to Algeria, which is preparing to sponsor a cease-fire resolution in the UNSC (in coordination with other interested parties). The Americans are claiming Algeria’s resolution risks undermining “sensitive negotiations”(i.e. Blinken’s just announced junket).

Posted by: jayc | Feb 2 2024 22:29 utc | 134

Mark2 @128
I was following it in real time on the news channel (Fox). The interesting thing is that perhaps 15 minutes after initially reporting on the attacks, the same correspondent came back on the air, retracting her former statement, saying that it was not the US behind the attacks, having no idea who did it. Another 15 or 20 minutes go by, and the story changed again! Now the US hit 85 targets, etc. My reading of the situation is that America’s “best friend” started the attack to draw the US openly into the conflict, and they figured that since they will be blamed anyway, they might as well go in themselves.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 2 2024 22:30 utc | 135

“check the first three numbers of the barcode on canned products. Anything that starts with 729 comes from a company registered in Israel.”
Thanks, b. I hadn’t known about that. I’ll start looking for it. (Sigh, another number to remember.)
As for these lists of companies to boycott, I checked some of them and saw long lists of companies I’ve never heard of and don’t know what they make, or that make stuff I’ve never considered buying in the first place, interspersed with companies I already don’t do business with for unrelated reasons (PayPal, Amazon, and many many others). I didn’t see any new ones to add to my personal boycott list.
But as long as I’m on the subject, I don’t donate anything to websites that HAVE a PayPal option for donations. If they’re worth supporting, I’ll donate as soon as they delete PayPal as an option. (Anyone else remember seeing “You can use other means like credit cards when you donate through the PayPal button below.” on an otherwise-worthy website near you?)

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 2 2024 22:31 utc | 136

Free bombing run.
Next time AD will test.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 2 2024 22:34 utc | 137

In retaliation for attacks on US bases by what the US says are Iranian-backed fighters, the US is bombing Syria and Iraq. It makes me think of the joke about the man searching for his keys under a lamp post, even though the keys were lost elsewhere.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 2 2024 22:43 utc | 138

The Wall Street Journal reports that Jordan joined the US in its strikes:

Jordanian aircraft are also slated to join in the operation and have been assigned targets. Jordan’s role is unusual and is intended to demonstrate solidarity with the U.S. following the drone strike on Tower 22, an outpost in Jordan near the Syrian border.

If true, the street should speak soon.
The fireworks have started so the Empire can continue deceiving the Western audience it still means business. Most Iranian officers have evacuated. But the Guardian reports at least 13 Iranian-backed fighters killed.
Meanwhile, US officials have stated no strikes will take place in Iranian soil.
This is yet another instance when the Empire has avoided real escalation. I am getting increasing optimistic that this means the sane minds have managed to show the craziness of open war with RoW.
Meanwhile, RoW continues unabated. CNN (!) reports that:

Nearly three dozen countries are seeking entry into the China and Russia-backed BRICS economic group, member state South Africa said Wednesday

The growing membership is widely viewed as a win for China and Russia, which have sought to reshape an international system they see as unfairly dominated by the United States amid growing frictions with Washington and the West.

The new cohort of countries join as BRICS pushes toward more diplomatic and financial coordination, including reform of the United Nations Security Council and a move away from a US dollar-dominated trade system.
Finance ministers were working to develop the use of local currencies for payments between member states and international payment platforms to “redress what we regard as a rather unfair and costly payment system,” South Africa’s Pandor said Wednesday.

China is more openly taking sides. Two relevant interesting tweets from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
* China hopes that the ICJ’s order on South Africa’s “genocide” case against Israel can be effectively implemented.
* No more collective punishment on the people of Gaza. Time to stop watching and doing nothing about the worsening humanitarian situation in Gaza. (Feb. 1)

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 2 2024 22:43 utc | 139

BDS was very integral and effective in ridding South Africa of the apartheid curse. But the apartheid State of Israel is a different kettle of fish. Despite serious fissures in its internal politics and a catastrophically gone wrong PR attempt to whitewash its ongoing genocide of the native population as confirmed by the recent ICJ ruling one should not underestimate the fanaticism of Zionists in Israel and abroad who wield extraordinary political and financial power in virtually every recess of western governments not to mention the grotesque fealty paid to Israel by those in the worlds richest “democracy” who never meet a genocide they didn’t like. To further complicate matters the finding of a vast store of natural gas beneath Gaza’s waters assures a guarantee of unmitigated corruption and exploitation for the victims of the victims.

Posted by: Tucson69 | Feb 2 2024 22:50 utc | 140

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
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Excellent summation of the history behind these relationships.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2024 22:51 utc | 141

Армия Ирака сообщила, что атаки США будут иметь тяжелые последствия.
Иранские прокси в Ираке сообщили, что США били по пустым или заброшенным обьектам.
В Израиле сообшили, что задержка в 5 дней перед ударом позволила иранским прокси эффективно рассредоточиться.
The Iraqi army has said the U.S. attacks will have dire consequences. Iranian proxies in Iraq reported that the U.S. was striking empty or abandoned facilities. Israel reported that the delay of 5 days before the strike allowed Iranian proxies to disperse effectively.
tg

Posted by: more war | Feb 2 2024 22:59 utc | 142

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 2 2024 22:02 utc | 127
yes I think you are.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 2 2024 23:00 utc | 143

@Paul from Norway: It’s become so bad I hardly read anything German anymore, but everytime I do, it seems to be getting worse. I was surprised they printed the Amro Ali text though but the hostile reactions on anything nuanced about the conflict and the nearly religious belief in anything coming from the Israeli side in justification for every single massacre, war crime, extrajudicial killings, etc is so over the top that it lacks any credibility because it’s so glaringly onesided that they could simply print Israeli press releases.
Maybe the subconscious crying for help.
@Mark 2: At least one party with George Galloway as its leader: https://workerspartybritain.org/

Posted by: Darkness | Feb 2 2024 23:00 utc | 144

China is more openly taking sides. Two relevant interesting tweets from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
* China hopes that the ICJ’s order on South Africa’s “genocide” case against Israel can be effectively implemented.
* No more collective punishment on the people of Gaza. Time to stop watching and doing nothing about the worsening humanitarian situation in Gaza. (Feb. 1)
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 2 2024 22:43 utc | 139
I’m very glad to hear of this. China moves slowly, but when it turns, political tectonic plates shift. I’m also encouraged by Zelensky (reportedly) firing Zaluzhnyi. a quicker collapse in Ukraine will help move things along.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 2 2024 23:02 utc | 145

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
Jews traditionally had better situations in Muslim territory than in Christian because Muslims didn’t blame Jews for killing Jesus. That Jesus was executed by Romans in a specifically Roman way is hard to get around when you’re cozying the Christian church up to Roman Emperors to gather wealth and power. The most convenient excuse was that the Jews did it. Anti-semitism springs mostly from Christianity.

Posted by: Lex | Feb 2 2024 23:03 utc | 146

Hoarsewhisperer@54….oy vey, sign on at yer own risk. I feel a chill, hmm, can you smell that….frozen bank accounts. Dictators can do that.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 2 2024 23:07 utc | 147

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 2 2024 22:43 utc | 139
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The Jordanian regime is not long for this “new” Middle East which is being created before our eyes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2024 23:08 utc | 148

When I was a logistics salesman I tried to present Israeli services to the Jewish community. Specifically, Zim the Israeli national steamship line. They were 100 miles ahead of me. They told me that they might like to support Israel but due to politics Israels services were unreliable. And they were correct because no Zim vessel has been able to offload on the USWC due the port unions support for Palestine for the last 10 years. They tried a few years back and the vessel sailed from Los Angeles all the way to Portland unsuccessfully trying to discharge its cargo. I believe that they had to use a military port, probably Port Hueneme to unload. So, containers destined for places thousands of miles from there had to eat huge cartage fees as a result. And there are a lot of ways logistics personel can privately enforce their own embargo on Israel without running afoul of the US Israel antiembargo act. Wink wink. Probably as a result, most non military US exported to Israel was directed to Jewish, Zionist logistics companies back in the 90s. I had to interact with Israeli cargo security at that time quite a bit to move their cargo.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Feb 2 2024 15:52 utc | 11
I’m employed at the most advanced container terminal on the west coast of North America. Our union members were ordered to stand down by our executive at ILWU 505. I was there and refused to cross the line due to the request of the USA locals.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Feb 2 2024 23:09 utc | 149

@ canuck | Feb 2 2024 21:33 utc | 121 // joey_n | Feb 2 2024 22:17 utc | 133
i have sent the contact info on that list a note to update the list to include Pierre Poilievr.. cheers…

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 23:16 utc | 150

“Despite its utter cruelty and destructiveness Israel is far from achieving its goal of ethnic cleansing Gaza.”
Very stormfront worthy, but then again no difference between sf and mofa. Dad and grandpa must be proud of you living up to your heritage.
Anyway BDS been going on for 20 years. The TA-125 has tripled in that time. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: HH | Feb 2 2024 23:17 utc | 151

Posted by: HH | Feb 2 2024 23:17 utc | 151
what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza is very Nazi worthy. Zionists are putting a bigger and easier target on Israel’s back. that did not work out well for South Africa, back when Israel supported its fellow apartheid state.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 2 2024 23:20 utc | 152

My apologies.
I should have previewed before posting. I sure screwed up with the HTML tags. Hope you understand

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Feb 2 2024 23:28 utc | 153

have sent the contact info on that list a note to update the list to include Pierre Poilievr.. cheers…
Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 23:16 utc | 150
Reading that list, it’s more than compromised.
CBC bad, but no mention of national post, who has daily editorials about khamas terrorism.
No mention of AIPAC.
Heck, no mention of only fans.
I’m suspecting it’s a honeypot list or at least a misleading psyop. They list as many things as possible so you don’t actually boycott israel specifically.
I wouldn’t trust anything with a .ca or .com domain unless it was confirmed by a trusted source.

Posted by: Meh | Feb 2 2024 23:34 utc | 154

Posted by: Lex | Feb 2 2024 23:03 utc | 146
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You’re partially correct. Muslims don’t revere Jesus as God or an interlocutor as Christians tend to do. The Prophet Isa PBUH was one of the most important messengers in Islam but was not to be prayed to directly. There is only one God, and he has no equals or partners.
The Glorious Quran explicitly calls for responsibility and brotherhood with the “People of the Book” (Jews and Christians) as demonstrated by the Prophet PBUH during his time in Medina and until his death. Most Muslims hold no animus for the people of the book. With so many Jews living peacefully in countries with Muslim populations, the particular issue in recent times is related to Zionism, which is antisocial racial supremacy, even against other non-Ashkenazi Jews.
Not being a scholar but merely a dilettante myself, it is my understanding that the Holy Lands are to be administered by the Muslim Ummah, where all of the people of the book can practice their faiths and cultures in peace, so long as they don’t violate the Shariah (God’s law) which they should all hold in common. Jesus and David both prayed by protestation and did not consume foods that were not consecrated.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2024 23:36 utc | 155

@ Meh | Feb 2 2024 23:34 utc | 154
i suggest you write them instead of writing to me, lol! cheers..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 23:41 utc | 156

@ Meh | Feb 2 2024 23:34 utc | 154
and your opinions are all fine and good too.. being proactive is a good way and that is what i am trying for here..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 23:42 utc | 157

the list may not have been updated recently either.. hard to know.. we all have opinions though.. i will give you that..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2024 23:43 utc | 158

“One of the lists lists Dr. Pepper as a brand to boycott. In the US the brand is owned by Keurig Dr. Pepper, its own company. Outside of the US, it’s owned by either Coca-Cola or PepsiCo. depending on country. Is Keurig Dr. Pepper guilty of any Israel-related activity to a similar degree as Coca-Cola and PepsiCo.?”
Posted by: joey_n | Feb 2 2024 22:17 utc | 133
Don’t drink any of the sodas they are poison. Most of them use corn fructose, your body has a hard time digesting the fructose that is the sugar they use.
If you like rum and coke, be a man go rum and ice , or rum and water, be a fucking man.
Low sugar red wines with a meal probably is the best health wise
Vodka and orange juice isn’t any better, juice will (if you want to eat an orange, eat an orange, the fibre will slow down the glycemic reaction)cause a glycemic reaction like the rum or whatever will do.
Drink gin and vodka with a hint of vermouth in a martini-same theme being a fucking man once more
It is more healthy to drink booze than drink soft drinks.
In my opinion.
I am having a nice Spanish red (1) followed by a couple of Asahi Drys ($3.50 per 500 milliliters) a Japanese beer made in Italy, go figure.
1. Finca Nueva Reserva 2015 , 14.1 % , Rioja. For a 9 year old wine for $22 Canadian its great value especially when I ummmm, negotiated with my younger son staying at home (26) to purchase the wine in lieu of rent…

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 23:44 utc | 159

Boycott, eh….better than nothing I suppose, but a bit late, the hand behind the scenes is well diversified making the boycott effort an annoyance at best. Now don’t pile on, anyone who has read anything I’ve posted, over twenty odd years, esp at the old Iraqwar.ru site, know (lep was verve back then) that I have been a proponent of boycott years before BDS even existed. Corporations and governments are held hostage to and by the Borg, evil that begets evil. The real power rests with the individual and the discretion they use with and how they direct their power. It’s greater than the sum total of all its parts. So it’s not just BDS Occupied Palestine, boycotting their ‘products’ it’s time for a full court press,
boycotting those countries and entities that support and supply the genocide of Palestinians. It’s not just lip service BDS, it requires more thought and strategy by the individual than that.
Cheers M
Personally stared boycotting travel to the US after Iraq War1.0……shop local, buy local, travel local, vacation local, cut back, embrace the Zen of less is more.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 2 2024 23:49 utc | 160

LoveDonbass 148
Jordan is a country that polices the Mosques which thankfully prevents subversion by Political Islam, Iqwan etc. But Iqwan have done a deal with Israel to instigate the Palestinian genocide in exchange for permission to infiltrate the mosques.
Just because second hand car dealer David Cameron wants West Asia to be run by moderately mad Mullahs, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
British Foreign policy is still looking for somewhere in the world it can still boast its influence. Bowser still circling, Netanyahu is all mouth.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 2 2024 23:49 utc | 161

85 air strikes in Iraq and Syria
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 2 2024 22:03 utc | 128
the deaths must continue for how can moloch baal be fed without the talmud blood rituals
on classic fm they played the theme the violin theme from schindlers list and many other yiddisher violin pieces as if the tel aviver where the victims tonight.
i am mined of the great movie about a name stealer identity thief killer the talented mr ripley who cries sobs like a baby as he his strangling his lover like he is the victim the psychopathy of it demonic.
did the east india company really get wound up or just become rotten shield then later black rock vanguard cameron is a scottish name is it not
Levit, also Levitt – typically from the Bessarabia region of Romania, Moldova and southern Ukraine; Levita – Elia Levita, an ancestor of David Cameron; Levits east india company officers agents.
lots of stabbings on the news lots of sirens up and down up and down in london town keeping the goyim on gladio edge
while the us uk is ra heil hell ashkanazim bombers kill more semites

Posted by: todd | Feb 2 2024 23:50 utc | 162

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 23:44 utc | 159
There are plenty of ‘small market’ colas out there that use cane sugar rather than HFCS as well as a few that are actually natural and derived from cola nuts. They can be hard to find in America’s “food deserts” or areas serviced only by Wal Marts and the like, but occasionally even those have brands like Boylan’s, Fentiman’s and others (I would bet those are available in Canada too).
There’s also Zevia which is sweetened by stevia, although I’m not sure if the jury’s out on the safety of it.
Clearly I like Cuba Libres.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2024 23:54 utc | 163

Posted by: Sertorius | Feb 2 2024 18:47 utc | 74
“Israel is their ancestral home”
Sorry mate, the Canaanites whom you genocided, were there first. The Canaanites are Palestinians’ genetic ancestors. And if you saying that God commanded you to take over Canaans’ land, well the same God then kicked you out from there and told you never to return.

Posted by: Shah | Feb 3 2024 0:09 utc | 164

@hispanidad $115 DuckDuckGo
I can confirm that Duck Duck Go is funded largely by Israeli investors, even though it is incorporated in the USA. This is not a public knowledge, though. I just happen to work in the industry and know some people in the company.

Posted by: Mercado4 | Feb 3 2024 0:09 utc | 165

Merv @ 149
On January 14 2024, here at the Port of Oakland, CA, for two shifts at 5AM and noon, pickets by hundreds of “Ceasefire Now” demonstrators prevented the loading of an Israeli ship with military supplies. ILWU Local 10 honored the pickets and refused to load the ship. It left. The Port lost two shifts when no ship of any kind was loaded or unloaded. [I participated in the noon picket.]

Posted by: mjh | Feb 3 2024 0:23 utc | 166

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 22:17 utc | 132
Don’t be churlish with Mark2’s turn of phrase, look at where that landed me… oh, at your hands as it turns out. Goes around comes around I guess. At least Mark2 spelled ‘fuck you’ correctly 😉

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:25 utc | 167

Every major business in the west seems to be boycottable when you drill deep enough. Burger King is the only fast-food chain that has not been shot down from my initial rudimentary list. As someone suggested above it is better to target a limited number of businesses to bring them to their knees. The BDS movement already does this on its website
https://bdsmovement.net/news/join-bds-movement

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 0:26 utc | 168

And this is their ACT NOW AGAINST THESE COMPANIES list
https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 0:29 utc | 169

On palestinian workers . India has a few thousand people camped out the front of the Israeli embassy begging for permits to go work there. They don’t mind being the next slaves in a place being under attack for a few dollars.

Posted by: Hankster | Feb 3 2024 0:29 utc | 170

Patroklos writes:
“This is a little confused logically. Israel has existed as a place where Jews can emigrate should they choose to live closer to the ancestral ‘biblical’ sites that mean something to them. But why can’t others live there too? Why does it have to be exclusively Jews?”
This is well meaning but bass-ackwards. The real question is: Why should the rightful owners of the land have to cede it to outsiders on the basis of a religious claim those owners neither recognize nor have to recognize, or on the basis of those outsiders’ fluffy cultural nostalgia?

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:30 utc | 171

Burger King is also on the BDS list

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 0:30 utc | 172

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2024 23:44 utc | 159
Agree with your choices. My preferences
*Local craft beer (Blue Mountains have a number of nice Red IPAs) or certified Bavarian Lagers (Spaten, eg)
*Single malts, Islay etc
*Barossa Valley Shiraz
*Barbadillo La Cilla Pedro Ximenez
*Dirty Martini (4:1 ratio, with a teaspoon of olive brine)

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:33 utc | 173

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:30 utc | 170
Well quite dude, but Sertorius did raise the double-standard of western colonial habits. My solution was to try to move past that by creating an inclusive polity based on a principle that transcends ethno-religious identity. In other words, for example, given that Australia has completely stolen indigenous land, and ain’t about to return it soon in any meaningful way, the question then becomes one of how do we re-found Australia in such a way that can at least give aboriginal people a fighting chance to flourish in the future. Thus, my question is, given that Israel is not going to disappear, can it become a mutli-ethnic secular state in which all its inhabitants can hope to live well? Maybe not so long as Gaza sits alongside a supergiant LNG/oilfield off the coast.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:40 utc | 174

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:30 utc | 170
I guess my problem is with your own naivety in thinking ‘rightful owners’ can ever be discerned. There is always a fictive third party that is invoked to guarantee title (God, the state, the king, force, etc). Isn’t the better solution to critique the idea of property by linking it to the production of a form of life? This is why Marx always will be right.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:44 utc | 175

Yes, Marx should go down well with your Barbadillo La Cilla Pedro Ximenez

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 0:48 utc | 176

@ Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:44 utc | 174
To the extent that the squatters haven’t destroyed the relevant documentation, we know who the rightful owners are.
Much as I appreciate Marxist perspectives, they aren’t of much use when some New Yorker — or some gang of terrorists — tells a landowner to flee or die.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:49 utc | 177

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:40 utc | 173
Thus, my question is, given that Israel is not going to disappear, can it become a mutli-ethnic secular state in which all its inhabitants can hope to live well? Maybe not so long as Gaza sits alongside a supergiant LNG/oilfield off the coast.

If they could drop their Zionists sense of biblically-derived entitlement to Eretz Israel, it should be no problem. But even though most Jews are not especially religious, they do seem – at least collectively – to fervently believe that they are a cut above all others and thus are entitled to whatever cut they set their little heart’s desire upon.
The way things are, if a single state were set up would anyone trust the Jewish contingent to honor the terms and not introduce all sorts of corrosive elements that would end up with their trying to take it over and move all the Palestinians out? How could such a thing be prevented from the get-go?
I think that given all the bad blood for so many decades common sense has to prevail, leaving three options:
Two States, separated, with neither having power over the other. Some sort of monitoring force to ensure compliance.
One State – Jewish, all current Palestinians expelled.
One State – Palestinians, all current Israelis expelled.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 3 2024 0:53 utc | 178

Patroklos writes:
“Thus, my question is, given that Israel is not going to disappear, can it become a mutli-ethnic secular state in which all its inhabitants can hope to live well?”
Israel CANNOT become a multi-ethnic secular state. For precisely this reason it must cease to exist.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:53 utc | 179

Yes, Marx should go down well with your Barbadillo La Cilla Pedro Ximenez
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 3 2024 0:48 utc | 175
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I think you just put your finger on what real German leftists (back when they existed) referred to as Salonmarxismus.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:57 utc | 180

@Mark 2: At least one party with George Galloway as its leader: https://workerspartybritain.org/
Posted by: Darkness | Feb 2 2024 23:00 utc | 144

https://youtu.be/X5g4mZuV06A?feature=shared

Posted by: blueswede | Feb 3 2024 1:01 utc | 181

But isn’t BDS…antisemitic?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 2 2024 16:21 utc | 23
I believe the preferred term is economic terrorism lmao.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 3 2024 1:04 utc | 182

I suggest that BDS be renamed, BDS&I… Boycott,Divest,Sanction & Inspect. Weapons of mass destruction in Zioland must be made known to the rest of humanity…Zioland must have at least 1200 nuclear bombs… minimum… BDS&I now before it is too late

Posted by: Prometheus1200BC | Feb 3 2024 1:07 utc | 183

“cut diamonds. The trade in these baubles accounts for”
Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 2 2024 21:43 utc | 122

Diamond trades are fungible. An easy way to wash money.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 2 2024 21:49 utc | 124
Not so much anymore-diamonds because of more production and new artificial diamonds the prices of even good diamonds have been cut in half such that liquidity is scant.
Gold is the metal, precious metal you want to store value or hide from jurisdiction. Or bitcoin which is easier to move across borders. Diamonds not so much.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 1:07 utc | 184

Patroklos writes:
“Thus, my question is, given that Israel is not going to disappear, can it become a multi-ethnic secular state in which all its inhabitants can hope to live well?”
“Israel CANNOT become a multi-ethnic secular state. For precisely this reason it must cease to exist.”
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:53 utc | 178
I have to go with malenkov on this one.
Even Henry Kissinger, Jewish of course, decreed in 2014 that Israel will be done in ten years; Kissinger was a war criminal (see unauthorized Cambodian bombing) yet a very smart prick (see deal for KSA buying oil only in American dollars ((1973?)) in return for American military security) :
“In a recent article, NY Post columnist Cindy Adams stated in no uncertain terms that former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger predicted the end of the nation of Israel in 10 years. Ms. Adams also took the Democratic Party to task for their anti-Israeli behavior at their convention and criticized Obama for refusing to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. In 102 powerful words, Cindy Adams managed to question Obama’s support for the Jewish state and raised frightening possibilities for the future of Israel:
“Henry KISSINGER. Former secretary of state. Current savant of the state of the world. Do not argue with Mr. Kissinger’s know-how. He already knows how.” (1)
1. https://www.strategicstudyindia.com/2014/12/henry-kissinger-predicts-in-10-years.html

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 1:28 utc | 185

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 2 2024 23:20 utc | 152
Projection much? It is mofa that shares it common values with nazis, hitler, stormfront, hamas, hezbollah, kkk, skinheads, blm etc.

Posted by: HH | Feb 3 2024 1:45 utc | 186

In Pakistan they boycott ~1% of the society called the Ahmadi community: not ‘real’ Muslims.
Even during elections: https://www.dawn.com/news/1810836/singled-out

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 3 2024 1:51 utc | 187

Regarding boycotts:
I am going to boycott b’s MoA: too heavily anti-zionist.
Till the AfD comes in power I will also boycott Germany’s main stream product output.
“Good luck” with the growing import of Islam; one day you will understand Israel.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 3 2024 1:57 utc | 188

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 0:57 utc | 179
“I think you just put your finger on what real German leftists (back when they existed) referred to as Salonmarxismus.”
How clever. I can hear your undergraduate giggling all the way down here. Heaven forbid you should offer an opinion on this site anymore. Some smug fuck just pours shit on you instead. So I like a $20 bottle of sherry… oooh how inconsistent with agreeing with Marx… wtf?

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 1:57 utc | 189

So many hasbara trolls here trying to make us sound like judaeophobes.
It’s telling.
I really don’t hate Jewish people. Or any other religion.
Some of my best friends…etc
The concept that everyone should support the illegal apartheid entity, a recent invention, because the rest of the world is judeophobic! Is the weird belief we have to accept a strawman?
Wtf? Let’s walk this through.
We are supposed to support or hate a colonial occupation ONLY because we are not able to tolerate a specific religion?
We happily live with multiple other religious beliefs ? We grow up and interact and intermarry?
We are supposedly to believe they are the only people that we can’t live with?
Are we saying the Collective Wastes peoples can’t coexist and cherish such an ethnicity of our own peoples in our multicultural world when we have lived side by side with them for generations?
Are we being asked to believe we are so judeophobic that we have to guarantee them a piece of someone else’s native land so they can only feel safe there?
Like a zoo? Saving some dangerous animal?
Is that the only way they will ever be safe?
What a load of bollocks that is. I say fuck off. Don’t make this the problem of native Semites to supposedly save those we supposedly hate. If it’s a problem, it’s our problem. We are the ones who are intolerant and demand ‘they’ should be put in that space for ‘their own safety’. Because otherwise we will not be able to not Holocaust them!
There is imperialism being enacted under this Zionist cover.
It has nothing to do with religion.
b, perhaps there is some discernment required here please.
It’s sick rabble rousing to make this bar look bad.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 3 2024 2:00 utc | 190

fyi,
americans never pass up an opportunity to do dumb things.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/most-targeted-sites-completely-evacuated-before-aggression
Most targeted sites completely evacuated before aggression: Sources
The Iraqi Armed Forces stress that these “strikes” flagrantly violate Iraqi sovereignty, undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government, and pose a significant threat that could drag Iraq and the region into highly undesirable consequences.
The spokesperson for the Commander-in-Chief of the Iraqi Armed Forces, Yahya Rasool Abdullah, stated that the cities of al-Qaim and the Iraqi border areas were subjected to air “strikes” by US aircraft, adding that these “strikes” come at a time when Iraq is striving to ensure the stability of the region.
He emphasized that these “strikes” flagrantly violate Iraqi sovereignty, undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government, and pose a significant threat that could drag Iraq and the region into highly undesirable consequences. He underscored that the ramifications of these actions would be severe, particularly jeopardizing the security and stability of both Iraq and the region…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 3 2024 2:01 utc | 191

How clever. I can hear your undergraduate giggling all the way down here. Heaven forbid you should offer an opinion on this site anymore. Some smug fuck just pours shit on you instead. So I like a $20 bottle of sherry… oooh how inconsistent with agreeing with Marx… wtf?
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 1:57 utc | 188
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That really the best you can do, perfesser? I guess so, since you didn’t bother with my other comments.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 2:07 utc | 192

Even in cities that had Jewish ghettos, most Jews living there were poor and themselves were exploited by richer Jews. The Jews who worked as tax collectors for Polish nobility were protected by their employers but their fellow Jewish poor suffered the brunt of persecution by peasants whose experience of Jews was limited to the tax collectors.
For all that, the irony is that for most of the past 2,000 years, the Jews were treated better in Muslim-ruled countries generally than in Christian countries,…
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
I’m Polish on my Dad’s side of the family, who are from a small town in the eastern mountains of Poland. I’ve had several Jewish friends tell me that you can’t be both Polish and Jewish, since the Poles were so anti-semitic (not a surprising view, considering that 90% of Polish Jews were exterminated–by the Nazis). I researched this small town and found that, 19th-early 20th c., the town was equally made up of Poles and Jews, with very religious Jews living in the center of town, and most Poles having farms in the surrounding areas. All of the memoirs are written by Jews, all of whom left Poland well before WWII and moved to “Palestine” (after the Balfour declaration, I suppose).
There are almost no anti-semitic incidents recorded in the several memoirs I read, though one does get the sense that Catholics and Jews mostly kept to themselves (except for commerce). One of the Polish Jews in the town describes how two Polish boys put up a cross in the town square, directly facing his parents’ house–the parents were horrified. They complained to the provincial officials, who told the two boys that they had to take the cross down. Not exactly a pogrom. Most of the anecdotes depict a sleepy village life structured by religious practice, not unlike in 19th c. U.S. One rabbi’s memoir describes how a Jewish young man left the town to find work, moved to Budapest and made a lot of money, and came back to the town in his fancy new clothes. Then he began to tell all the villagers that God didn’t exist. The little kids in the town chased and threw rocks at him! The rabbi says that this–a man stating casually that God didn’t exist–was the most incredible thing he’d seen in his entire life. (He must have had a boring life.)
There’s a monument in the town to those killed in the war. The greatest number were killed by Ukrainian nationalists, the second biggest were people killed by Nazis, the last group, those killed by the Soviets (much smaller number). From another monument in the town I learned that one of my relatives, a Catholic Pole, was taken to Auschwitz, tortured and killed by the Nazis.

Posted by: Lukacs | Feb 3 2024 2:22 utc | 193

“How clever. I can hear your undergraduate giggling all the way down here. Heaven forbid you should offer an opinion on this site anymore. Some smug fuck just pours shit on you instead. So I like a $20 bottle of sherry… oooh how inconsistent with agreeing with Marx… wtf?”
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 1:57 utc | 188
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“That really the best you can do, perfesser? I guess so, since you didn’t bother with my other comments.”
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 2:07 utc | 191
I enjoy both of your comments.
Why get personal?
Yes, I think a bottle $20 bottle sherry is a female affectation {canuk’s mom used to enjoy a cheap sherry when he was a child, Bright’s 88 was the brand) but that idea is irrelevant to the topic..
Let’s use our arguments to pursue truth rather than personal values.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2024 2:29 utc | 194

Patroklos @ 173:
Israel could have been a secular multi-ethnic state based on socialist principles back in the 1950s. The kibbutzim movement was inspired by 19th-century socialist thinkers like Charles Fourrier. In its early years, Israel’s economy was very worker-oriented, with the Histadrut, an organisation analogous to the ACTU in Australia, being dominant.
Israeli society in those days was multi-ethnic with the agricultural and industrial working class made up of Mizrahi Jews from across North Africa and Western Asia, and the middle and upper classes dominated by European Ashkenazi (and some Sefardi) Jews. The Mizrahim were compelled to give up their original names and languages (mostly based on Arabic) and adopt Hebrew names.
Some time in the 1950s, I believe the Knesset made a conscious choice to include religious-based parties in the government, and from there, Israeli politics became more and more theocratic.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 2:30 utc | 195

@ Refinnejenna | Feb 3 2024 2:30 utc | 194
Yeah, those kibbutzim were multi-ethnic all right — as long as the ethnicity was considered Jewish. If that multi-ethnicity didn’t include non-Jews, what was your point?

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 2:41 utc | 196

I am going to boycott b’s MoA
Posted by: Antonym | Feb 3 2024 1:57 utc | 187
That’s an exceptional good idea. I will support you as much as possible in that endeavor. Perhaps a couple of bouncers to assist your exit, or maybe someone to hold the door so it doesn’t hit you in the butt.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 3 2024 2:53 utc | 197

@ Peter AU1 | Feb 3 2024 2:53 utc | 196
Given the truth value of his other comments, I wouldn’t expect a long absence.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 3 2024 2:55 utc | 198

@ Refinnejenna | Feb 2 2024 20:20 utc | 100
I find your miserable “oh poor me” “hard done by” jews comments abhorrent. Disgusting, irrelevant BS. Cry me a River.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 3:08 utc | 199

the question then becomes one of how do we re-found Australia in such a way that can at least give aboriginal people a fighting chance to flourish in the future.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 3 2024 0:40 utc | 173
It’s called TREATY and REPARATIONS …… in the dozens of Billion$ to all their descendants Land councils and community groups!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 3 2024 3:17 utc | 200