“A Final Solution” – Moon of Alabama

February 21, 2024

“A Final Solution”

The Wikipedia entry for 'final solution':

The Final Solution (German: die Endlösung, pronounced [diː ˈʔɛntˌløːzʊŋ]) or the Final Solution to the Jewish Question (German: Endlösung der Judenfrage, pronounced [ˈɛntˌløːzʊŋ deːɐ̯ ˈjuːdn̩ˌfʁaːɡə]) was a Nazi plan for the genocide of individuals they defined as Jews during World War II. The "Final Solution to the Jewish question" was the official code name for the murder of all Jews within reach, which was not restricted to the European continent. This policy of deliberate and systematic genocide starting across German-occupied Europe was formulated in procedural and geopolitical terms by Nazi leadership in January 1942 at the Wannsee Conference held near Berlin, and culminated in the Holocaust, which saw the murder of 90% of Polish Jews, and two-thirds of the Jewish population of Europe.

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Yesterday the U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution which demanded an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza. Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, flouted her own resolution which, for lack of support, was not put to a vote.

At the press stake-out after the vote Thomas-Greenfield remarked:

Good afternoon, everyone.

You just heard me make the case for a resolution that I believe all of us can agree to. In fact, the points in the proposed resolution have all been articulated by the other 14 members of this Council.
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The draft we’ve presented is a forward leaning resolution. And it is one that we intend to work on in good faith with other Council members to ensure it gets over the finish line.
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We are eager to continue working with the Council on this proposal: One that would see a temporary ceasefire as soon as practicable, based on the formula of all hostages being released. And one that would get aid into the hands of those Palestinians who so desperately need it.

All told, we intend to do this the right way, so that we can create the right conditions for a safer, more peaceful future. And we will continue to actively engage in the hard work of direct diplomacy on the ground until we reach a final solution.

A final solution – one way or the other …

Posted by b on February 21, 2024 at 13:36 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Why spend billions building IRBM/ICBM capabilities if you are not going to fit them with nukes?
Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 12:54 utc | 392
How’d they build these underground silos without one of their neighbors knowing?
Eventually you have to build the lids, and you have to build access roads to maintain those lids.
Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon dont need satellites or spy planes either, simply by flying within their borders they can see all of Israel, and have been able to since Israels formation.
So I hear a lot of bluster… The Samson option to me sounds sad, like somebody with a fake gun yelling they’ll kill everyone.
I can definitely be wrong, and I would not bet a nation I was entrusted to protect on it, it just seems a little questionable.
But I feel like Israels dirty little secret is just accepted without enough skepticism.
They should want the world to know they have nukes, and they have had plenty of time to develop their own. North Korea did. So why don’t they prove it?

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 13:22 utc | 401

“So why don’t they prove it?”
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 13:22 utc | 401
As I said earlier, it comes down to the Symington and Glenn Amendments, which would render *all* U.S. aid to the Zionist Entity illegal if they officially demonstrated or acknowledged this capability.

Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 13:26 utc | 402

@ UWDude | Feb 22 2024 13:22 utc | 401
It might be possible for Israel to get away with constructing and maintaining installations in the Negev, which borders two Israeli allies that would need little persuasion to look the other way.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 13:28 utc | 403

jure | Feb 22 2024 13:26 utc | 402
“As I said earlier, it comes down to the Symington and Glenn Amendments, which would render *all* U.S. aid to the Zionist Entity illegal if they officially demonstrated or acknowledged this capability.”
And we know how law-abiding the empire is, especially where it comes to the Zionist state.
But if they thought it really necessary they’d cheerfully amend the law to accommodate the Zionukes.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 22 2024 13:31 utc | 404

“And we know how law-abiding the empire is, especially where it comes to the Zionist state.
But if they thought it really necessary they’d cheerfully amend the law to accommodate the Zionukes.”
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 22 2024 13:31 utc | 404
Yes, the Empire just thinks “Rules-schmules” and “Our way or the highway”, and the only “rules” (that apply to others) they set (and others must comply) is the “rules-based-order”.
However, amending the law to officially allow Zionukes would probably alienate its vassals more than they would like so they just stay with the so called “nuclear ambiguity”… but then again, who knows what the future brings.

Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 13:45 utc | 405

Posted by: canuck | Feb 22 2024 13:11 utc | 397
Right. However the “religious” angle is a new addition to get public approval by playing to the Western public’s prejudices based on racist colonial stereotypes.
In the 1980s when Netanyahu first started banging on about PLO terrorism, the target was “Arab”,later expanded to “Muslim” so as to start interfering in China, Chechnya etc.
It’s hard to blame “Bandera” on Saudi Arabia but by adding “radical religion” to the terror label, you can now blame it on any rich Muslim and sanction them if they complain.
As Trubind describes well in #399, this is the core of the US argument.

Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 13:47 utc | 406

I’ll tell you: my computer fixes my grammar.
[It’s a joke in case you puritans pile on…]
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 3:13 utc | 292
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You need your computer to fix your grammar.
That is pathetic. Certainly not humorous.
BTW, a typo is not a grammar error.
Generally a typo—typing “different” for “difference”— is not even a spelling error per se, just a result of typing too fast and falling into a pattern.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 13:48 utc | 407

For 30 years, Israel supposedly had these nukes, but nowhere to hide them.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 12:41 utc | 389
You’re not looking at this thing historically. Back in the 1960s, Dimona was indeed secure. As secure a spot in Israel as you could find. The Negev desert is certainly where it would be, as far as possible from inhabited areas. I don’t know whether the silos are all in Dimona; they probably have mobile launching gear. It doesn’t much matter from a targeting point of view.
But before October 7th nobody in Israel thought Israeli territory was at risk. I’m shocked even now by the evacuation of so many from the north, from Kiryat Shemona (spelling?) and the Lebanese border. They never did this before. Something has fundamentally changed, and I don’t think there’s any way out for them.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 22 2024 13:50 utc | 408

Trubindi 391.
Thanks for that explanation. I had read something about this somewhere—perhaps in the Algerian argument?—but this explanation is crystal clear.
I hope the ICJ rules, clearly:
You have no right to be there, your occupation is illegal, you have not recognized the Palestinian state, the only country that defends your illegal occupation is the USA–
Push the RESET button.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 13:54 utc | 409

But if they thought it really necessary they’d cheerfully amend the law to accommodate the Zionukes.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 22 2024 13:31 utc | 404
Back in the 60s and 70s, AIPAC and the Lobby weren’t as powerful as they are now.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 22 2024 13:54 utc | 410

@Jure is correct.
If Israel’s neighbors see the installations, what exactly could they do????
Why do you think Saudi’s main motive for “normalizing”? They want to under the US nuclear umbrella and they want “permission” from Uncle Sam to start a nuclear program.
It’s a catch 22 for Israel’s neighbors. Other than reducing the nuclear or non nuclear military threat to themselves from Israel, they have absolutely zero reason to “normalize” with genocidal maniacs.
Israel only exports violence, surveillance and hate based products.
The anger at Israel is so evident at the ICJ from all of Israel”s neighbors. Nobody likes being blackmailed and threatened for decades.

Posted by: Pq | Feb 22 2024 13:56 utc | 411

RE: Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 13:22 utc | 401
All I know is on a recent Judge Nap show, Phil Giraldi, who was an Intelligence Officer back in the day, stated that Israel “stole” the materials back in 1967-69 ish. He stated that a Jewish firm in Pennsylvania sold them the Uranium and that another firm in California sold them the “igniters”.
At the same time, in 1963 Israel was caught selling atomic weapons designs to South Africa. And tested one in 1979.
Vela Incident: South Africa “blamed for test, but was later refuted & assessed that it was Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
I’ve said it before, and I’ll reiterate that I believe that the same kind of shenanigans were ongoing during the Shah of Irans reign. I believe somewhere between 1953 and 1979 nuclear weapons designs, and perhaps some material. Oil was at that time piped directly to Israel. Israel was obsessed with bringing (at that time) Iraq, Lebanon & Syria to heel. This was before the Sinai war or any of the wars and in the midst. At that time, Iran was Israel’s “besti”.
As I’ve stated, since the 1979 revolution, I believe the Fatwa issued by Kohmeni sincere, I don’t believe they have been producing atomic weapons. However, I do believe they have a leftover stockpile from prior to revolution.
It was why the U.S. had to endure the 446 days of the hostages & couldn’t flatten Iran then.
I believe the JCPOA was actually the incremental release and destruction of their stockpile (like Libya did) , which as we all know, Trump hated having to “pay a bribe” and destroyed agreement.
So, yes, I believe since 1967 at least, Israel has a stockpile or producing a stockpile, but I also believe Iran is sitting on one. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me as to why the U.S./Israel has not yet to date, directly fired on Iran.
Some talk about the straight of Hormuz closure, but seriously, all these years, when Iran wasn’t near as militarily developed as they are now, gotta wonder 🤔, I believe both of those ME nations have stockpiles. It’s also why Saudi Arabia has always been so fearful of Iran, and wanting its own “nuclear” energy…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 14:03 utc | 412

“I’ll tell you: my computer fixes my grammar.”
I’ll tell you, no it doesn’t. 😉
Thanks for answering my question karlof. One cannot find what doesn’t exist.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 14:05 utc | 413

Does anyone have a good sense of the scale of Israel’s nuclear arsenal, its location, strength, capability, deliver systems, etc. Nukes offer a fairly ‘final’ solution, and if anyone is likely to resort to them it’s them.
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 22 2024 7:22 utc | 314
We’ve gifted them with 3Diesel+2AIP Submarines, another AIP one is under way
a third batch of 3 is planned.
Afaik: all have XL size (4@650mm) torpedo tubes for launching (nuclear capable) cruise missiles.

Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:07 utc | 414

As I said earlier, it comes down to the Symington and Glenn Amendments, which would render *all* U.S. aid to the Zionist Entity illegal if they officially demonstrated or acknowledged this capability.
Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 13:26 utc | 402
America gave Pakistan and India a slap on the wrist, and then back to deals. I dont remember how long, but iirc, it was less than two years.
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Back in the 60s and 70s, AIPAC and the Lobby weren’t as powerful as they are now.
Posted by: laguerre | Feb 22 2024 13:54 utc | 410
They powerful enough now. Israel can make it official any time they want.
And they were never signatories of the nnpt.
*they probably have mobile launching gear. *
Russia does. It is on rail. Not really feasible or useful in Israel, as again, simple commercial planes can see all Israel.
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which borders two Israeli allies that would need little persuasion to look the other way.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 13:28 utc | 403.
Jordan and Egypt were not always “allies”, and paying them to keep a secret is risky, I mean, how close did Morsi get to that secret, eg, those locations?

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 14:11 utc | 415

“We’ve gifted them with 3Diesel+2AIP Submarines, another AIP one is under way
a third batch of 3 is planned.
Afaik: all have XL size (4@650mm) torpedo tubes for launching (nuclear capable) cruise missiles.”
Posted by: MAKK | Feb 22 2024 14:07 utc | 414
sadly correct. Germany considers the security of the (racist, fascist, genocidal, apartheid) Zionist Entity the German “reason of state” (Staatsräson).

Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 14:13 utc | 416

Jordan and Egypt were not always “allies”
–> true enough
and paying them to keep a secret is risky
–> Uncle Sham’s arts of persuasion include sticks as well as carrots
I mean, how close did Morsi get to that secret, eg, those locations?
–> and look at what happened to Morsi. Not that I imagine he had a chance to get close to that secret anyway.
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 14:11 utc | 415

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 22 2024 14:15 utc | 417

Pq 370
Sorry to have touched a nerve.
Islamists who work for USUKIS are part of the problem of Zionist confidence in their own impunity.
I see that distinction doesn’t work for you, easier to keep all Muslims in one bag for convenience.
I also see that you can’t see that Putin is playing with the lies of USUKIS. Satire is obviously not your thing.
I realised that Putin said that Hamas’s actions on Oct 7 were rerrorism. You must think that Hamas are stupid for assuming that the world’s leading country for spying, like Pegasus, thought Israel hasn’t noticed anything. Really?
That was also a game being played between Zionism and Islamism
Stupidity on both sides, called out as stupidity by Putin. Sometimes the truth hurts. What a shame.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:17 utc | 418

We’ll pretend not to notice that you will probably genocide us if we attack Israel illegal settlements and you can pretend you haven’t noticed what we’re doing. Brazen Complicity.
Some people don’t like it up ’em.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:20 utc | 419

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 14:03 utc | 412
I have suspected Iran has them too. I have read your shah angle and it makes more sense than making them from reactors.
However, the US hit Iran pretty hard in 1987 and 1988, but Iran was not capable of retaliation with nukes.
Being hit by Saddam’s chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war perhaps, but perhaps they lacked delivery vehicle, or even a good target.

Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 14:22 utc | 420

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Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 22 2024 2:34 utc | 270
This channel looks like a great source of detailed and breaking news. Thanks.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 14:25 utc | 421

RE: Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 14:22 utc | 420
Agreed. Admit holes in my assessment, but something occurred. Maybe just design plans sold or stolen at the time. All I know is the Netanyahu rants for 40 years about Iran “getting” a nuclear weapon is irrational if no basis, and I think there is a reason.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Feb 22 2024 14:27 utc | 422

Alistair Crooke has clearly stated that the West is perfectly happy with well-understood civilisational grievances held by civilisational conflicts between the West and Islam.
But what hexsays the West has no control over is those who actually believe Islam. Their witness to the punishments in store for those who attack zislam terrifies them.
With good reason

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:34 utc | 423

Islam

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:35 utc | 424

“…HH: You are all intellectuals.
MoA: Yes, we are all intellectuals.
Me: I’m not…”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Feb 22 2024 2:13 utc | 265
“Give a rest, Jake. If you’re too good for the bar, then scram. But don’t hang around bitching about it.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus
I’m not making an allegation regarding Jake here but I have noticed a sudden constant stream of snarky comments referencing either narcissism or academic credentials here.
It’s not a bad tactic as far as trolling goes. And it appeals to readers that are insecure or uneducated.
I don’t need to know everyone’s credentials but I am interested in members area of expertise and focus.
I’m planning to ask about it in the open topics thread not here. In the meantime, I’m going to keep an eye on that particular troll talking point.
And having reached the subject I certainly find myself amongst esteemed company here at the bar. You know for a bunch of drunks. 😉 and I certainly include our deep thinking non-academic crowd.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 14:35 utc | 425

“America gave Pakistan and India a slap on the wrist, and then back to deals. I dont remember how long, but iirc, it was less than two years.”
Posted by: UWDude | Feb 22 2024 14:11 utc | 415
Regarding Pakistan, the aid went significantly down for 10 years or so due to various sanctions, and more came after the 1998 tests, which then were lifted after 9/11 to have Musharraf support the US in its “War on Terror”.
https://www.cgdev.org/page/aid-pakistan-numbers
https://southasianvoices.org/sav-explainer-u-s-response-1998-nuclear-tests/
Regarding India and its 1998 tests, those lasted about 2 years, correct.

Posted by: jure | Feb 22 2024 14:40 utc | 426

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 14:46 utc | 427

Interesting piece on Israel’s nukes, which American government employees are forbidden to mention – because US official policy is not to aid nations with a secret nuclear program.
https://archive.ph/RK5OT#selection-497.0-497.69
With the Israel-Hamas war, a nuclear Rubicon of sorts has been crossed: Two elected Israeli officials — a government minister and a member of parliament — not only publicly referenced Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons but suggested that they be detonated over Gaza. This was a disturbing first. Meanwhile, in Washington, a long-standing secret executive order has prohibited American officials from even acknowledging that Israel has nuclear arms. Given the increasing risks of nuclear weapons proliferation — and, worse, use — continuing such self-censorship about Israel’s nuclear arsenal is not just bizarre; it’s harmful.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 22 2024 14:51 utc | 428

That’s another one of those lies that I bought into has a child of the 60s.
Never again.
And then I learned about what was allowed to happen in Rwanda and my eyes begin to open in horror.
Another question for our historians. How many genocides have occurred since 1960? Or wherever you would like to set the date, perhaps post World War II?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 14:51 utc | 429

Political Islam cares nothing for the lives of fellow Muslims apart from their own political power.
Saddam killed thousands of Iraqis taunted by Political Islam.
The Islamists have a seat in Parliament and control the Mosques in Kurdistan, signing away Kurdish Oil to USUKIS at the same time
How lovely of them.
Zionism cares nothing for the lives of fellow Jews apart from their own Political power. Israel killed 1000 Israelis on Oct 7 and has continued the same Cannibal doctrine.
Netanyahu’s stated aim is to create Greater Israel between the Euphrates and the Nile. US bombs arrive to support that proposal.
How lovely for him.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:51 utc | 430

“Zionism cares nothing for the lives of fellow Jews apart from their own Political power. Israel killed 1000 Israelis on Oct 7 and has continued the same Cannibal doctrine…”
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 22 2024 14:51 utc | 430
I’ve heard multiple reliable sources put that number at closer to 600. Between 424 and 600 as the number is unknown exactly.
There have been repeated allegations that the IDF buried vehicles from the Rave in the desert in order to hide evidence. Which is kind of stupid from a long-term perspective . There is quite a lot of evidence of the idea’s hand that day.
I don’t have the link at hand but the electronic enfada and sources within the resistance detailed that along with he breakdown of pows and hostages.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 22 2024 15:01 utc | 431

“I have noticed a sudden constant stream of snarky comments referencing either narcissism or academic credentials here.
It’s not a bad tactic as far as trolling goes. And it appeals to readers that are insecure or uneducated.”
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It’s the “edumacated” who seem insecure . . .
I haven’t noticed any actual academic credentials being flaunted.
But, a few academic pretensions and pomposity . . .

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 15:11 utc | 432

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 2:20 utc | 266
Great again Jane.
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“I understand why you’re struggling to legitimize the colonization of north America. It’s an existential question to you as it is to all north Americans.”
Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 22 2024 2:42 utc | 274
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Thanks, David, for the positive response to my response to Sidd’s question. He really had no reason to expect me to accommodate him, and provide him with the opportunity to win the sanctimoniousness prize that I am sure he was looking forward to, regardless of what I might write.
It was, actually, also a little test–one that Sidd failed.
Regarding this whole subject David of course speaks only for himself, certainly not for me.
As for “I understand why you’re struggling to legitimize the colonization of north America,”–no, you understand nothing. As for “existential question,” the recolonization of North America is of course an existential question, but probably not the one you meant.
Maybe the handle Siddharta hides a German idealist.
NB: No one gets to choose when and where he or she is born.
Sidd’s apparent assumption that I, my ancestors, or anyone could have derailed the eventual encounter of technologically advanced Europeans with the inhabitants of the New World, or prevented the incursion of lethal germs (possibly before any living Europeans set foot in North America), is quaint. This encounter was far more complex than Sidd or many other commenters seem to grasp. It is so much more fun to deploy the g-word and virtue-signal.
For a wide-ranging account of the realities behind the broad-brush historical stereotypes and guilt-tripping, I highly recommend John K. Thornton’s A Cultural History of the Atlantic World, 1250 — 1820. Thornton provides detailed descriptions of the political realities in all of the political entities of the Atlantic World, including Africa, in the centuries when this encounter took place. I have mentioned this fascinating work before but doubt that anyone here has sat down and read it.
The USA is full of people who arrived on these shores in the late 19th and 20th centuries. If “genocide” (as defined for the New World context) was committed here, it was not by their ancestors.
This topic is OT.
I am sorry I responded to Sidd at all.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 15:48 utc | 433

Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 15:48 utc | 433
Genocide and war are one and the same activity.

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 22 2024 16:27 utc | 434

@433 jane
Your comment recoils in my an idea as to why communists hate German Idealism in Hegel so much. They hate it, because, despite whatever circumstance an individual is born into, the possibility of freedom is given as a gift, an indelible mark on any rational thing. The Marxists want you to view reality through a prism of materialism or how things appear externally. Hegel challenges this notion and this is, of course, what Marx is unable to grasp and therefore errs into believing that spirit can be steered by a movement.
How does this tie together with your post?
One can look at the film from Terrence Malick called “The New World,” where what you are alluding to in your post is artfully rendered in cinema.
A complex encounter between natives and settlers? Indeed.
A tragedy? It need not be.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 22 2024 17:16 utc | 435

Salaam,using the words “House N” to lable Greenfield-Thomas,is insulting to those deserving that lable.”Honorary White” is a more accurate lable.

Posted by: 4q8 | Feb 22 2024 23:58 utc | 436

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Salaam,using the words “House N” to lable Greenfield-Thomas,is insulting to those deserving that lable.”Honorary White” is a more accurate lable.
Posted by: 4q8 | Feb 22 2024 23:58 utc | 436
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You are quite correct. She does not sexually fit the Uncle Tom label like Obama does either.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 23 2024 0:46 utc | 437

People from “vulnerable communities” placed in positions to serve as the mouthpiece for the empire sure do say the darnedest things. Linda and Karine undoubtedly are from the same casting agency.

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Feb 23 2024 7:57 utc | 438

You do know that the Wikipedia definiton of “final solution” is a blatant lie, right ?
(see 1985 Canadian court case with defendant Ernst Zundel)

Posted by: Koen | Feb 23 2024 11:11 utc | 439

Back in my larval days I was brainwashed into believing that the US “stood up” to the big bad world when it came to matters with Israel. I’ve long since shed those foolish notions and see the US for what it truly is…. Israels “bitch”.

Posted by: MoT | Feb 23 2024 23:18 utc | 440

The holocaust never happened. There was no final solution, except the hideous massacre that the zionist neoplasm is planning for palestinian arabs in gaza right now.

Posted by: blurz | Feb 25 2024 3:46 utc | 441

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