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January 12, 2024

U.S. (Re-) Starts War With Houthi

The Houthi movement is a major part of the Ansar Islam government of Yemen.

Over eight years of war the Houthi have fought the U.S. supported Saudis and UAE mercenaries to a standstill.

Their slogan:


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God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

In solidarity with Gaza the Houthi have recently blocked sea bound traffic to the U.S. supported Israel.

Richard Medhurst @richimedhurst - 2:32 UTC · Jan 12, 2024

Yemen fulfilled their duty under Art. 1 of the Genocide Convention to prevent and punish Israel for its genocide.
If you don't like Yemen firing at commercial ships, then you shouldn't fire 2000lb bombs at Palestinians.
All non-Israeli ships can pass np
It's very simple.

After its failed attempt to form a anti-Houthi coalition under the stupid name Operation Prosperity Garden the U.S. asked its sidekick Britain to support an attack on the Houthi.

Houthi leader Sayed Abdel Malik Al Houthi promised publicly (vid) to responds to any U.S./UK attack.

The Houthi prepared by diverting its equipment and personnel.

Faytuks News Δ @Faytuks - 8:32 PM · Jan 11, 2024

Breaking: Houthi forces have transported some weapons and equipment and fortified others in anticipation of a strike by the U.S. and its allies, a U.S. defense official and a person close to the Houthis says - WSJ

Maritime executives have been told by Western diplomats that targets would likely include missile and drone launch sites, radars and weapons depots around the Yemeni cities of Hodeida and Hajjah. Infrastructure in the capital San’a is also on the list of possible targets - WSJ

The Middle East is braced on Thursday for U.S.-led coalition strikes on Houthi positions

The U.S (and UK) attacked anyway:

US, UK carry out strikes against Yemen's Houthis following Red Sea attacks- AL-Monitor

The United States and the United Kingdom carried out precision strikes on a dozen military sites used by the Houthis in Yemen on Thursday night in response to the group's continued attacks on commercial cargo ships and tankers in the Red Sea since the outbreak of the Gaza war.

US and UK combat aircraft, joined by US warships and at least one submarine fired more than 100 precision-guided munitions, including Tomahawk cruise missiles, starting around 2:30 a.m. local time Friday, suppressing air defenses by targeting radar systems, two US defense officials told Al-Monitor.

More than 60 targets, including facilities used by the Houthis to store and launch drones, cruise and ballistic missiles, were struck at 16 different locations, US Central Command said following the attacks.

The targets were chosen specifically in order to disrupt the Houthis' ability to continue to their attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea while minimizing risk to civilians, defense officials said.

After its failures during twenty years of War Of Terror one wonders how many weddings the U.S. strike in Yemen has hit. 

The Houthi will, of course, retaliate.

If I were a sailor on a U.S. Navy ship in the Red Sea or Persian Gulf I would now put on a rescue vest and sleep on the deck.

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Yeah I here all that B....but at what point do Arab nations - who have spent decades promising to fight the Anglo Saxons(TM) if Palestine was getting attacked- going to actually fight and take a principled stand ?

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc | 1

With the assistance of the plucky British contingent.
Given that the Saudi's attempted to bomb Yemen into dust.
What are token air strikes going to achieve that year's of Saudi conflict didn't.
It's costing Egypt a fortune in Suez transit fees.
Strangely the Egyptians aren't providing naval support.
Or the Israeli's for that matter.
And the Red Sea is now completely off limits for commercial shipping for who knows how long.
Expensive optics.

Posted by: jpc | Jan 12 2024 7:40 utc | 2

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc | 1

You must be a 'concern' troll for Israel. You are conveniently forgetting that Israel spent more than 20 years directing the US to destroy any rival Aran powers, a policy that was quite successful.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 12 2024 7:40 utc | 3

New slogan idea ...

"Springtime in Sahel"

Posted by: too scents | Jan 12 2024 7:43 utc | 4

If this is the prophesied war for the End Times aka the End of Days, what will happen next is massive destruction followed by a new awakening of harmony and global prosperity for a long time--the world's scriptures say.

Posted by: kana | Jan 12 2024 7:45 utc | 5

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-once-warned-president-war-iran-without-congressional-approval-impeachable-n1019041

Biden upset at Trump claims he never sought congress approval to start a war. Biden didn't bother to get congress to approve the Yemen attack

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 12 2024 7:46 utc | 6

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc | 1

You say "...but at what point do Arab nations - who have spent decades promising to fight the Anglo Saxons(TM) if Palestine was getting attacked- going to actually fight and take a principled stand?" To the contrary the Houthis are fighting and taking a principled stand, as is Hezballah. Your head is buried in the sand. Or maybe you're a zionist hasbara troll? Most likely the latter.

Posted by: Deschutes | Jan 12 2024 7:48 utc | 7

I wear sandals in honour of the Houthis

Posted by: Jacq | Jan 12 2024 7:51 utc | 8

As I mentioned on the previous (Palestine) thread (Posted by: laguerre | Jan 12 2024 4:54 utc | 411), I doubt that these airstrikes had much effect, and I think the US will be forced to continue, and get slowly drawn into a quagmire, if they want to achieve their aims by military means (which is all the US knows). I am doubtful the intelligence sources are good, and the Houthis just don't have the organisation of a modern state. Also the attack was unlikely to be a surprise, and they would have had time to hide the weaponry.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 12 2024 7:54 utc | 9

I wear sandals in honour of the Houthis

Posted by: Jacq | Jan 12 2024 7:51 utc | 8

I'm looking for that cool blade they wear down the front of their bellies ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 12 2024 7:59 utc | 10

The commentator FB has written in detail about the use of cheap drones by the Yemeni Houthis to force the Saudi regime to accept a ceasefire. This is a deep technical analysis of how to design cheap and effective long-range drones...
https://jetguyone.home.blog/

Now that the US and the UK are all in by attacking SANA the games will begin. I expect the US to lose warships in the Red Sea and Bahrain airbases to be hit effectively.

By allowing NATO planes to fly over Saudi Arabia the Kingdom opens itself up to losing refinery capacity. Sure the Saudis have S-400 missiles but they are overkill against cheap drones. As for the Patriot missiles, the radar cannot pick up such low-flying drones.

The collective West and Saudia Arabia have shit on the grand chessboard and I expect Russia will just watch the fireworks.

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 12 2024 8:06 utc | 11

The Americans are pretty stupid.
If Saudi Arabia, with all their money and American support saw their asses in Yemen, a couple of air strikes from fascist countries against Yemen is not going to make them change their minds. Keep this going for a while, and the UK will have to retreat in any case. They are a paper tiger with no teeth.
And America can be kept busy in Ukraine and in Israel far quicker than we know.
I think Putin has outsmarted the lot.
Now we just need means sent to Yemen to defend themselves! Putin.
I can already hear the climate freaks crying about the long route around Africa and extra emissions.
Nobody thinks in lives, bodies and shattered families.
The world has gong mad.
How do we stop the bus??

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 12 2024 8:07 utc | 12

The AIS ship trackers clearly indicate that Red Sea ship traffic is still active. What’s missing are only Israeli linked ships. The Yemeni Blockade is targeted against a narrow slice of Red Sea traffic

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:10

Posted by: Exile | Jan 12 2024 8:08 utc | 13

Anything to be the centre of attention, and draw eyes and ears away from the Gaza Massacres.

As much as I dislike Iran for the way it treats women, I thought it way cool they stole their oil tanker back :-)

Posted by: Rain | Jan 12 2024 8:11 utc | 14

I'm from a silly little trading nation at the end of the world. Our oil comes from the Gulf, our goods flow there. That may stop or slow down now because some stupid thick as pig shit idiots in Washington decide to throw missiles about. Good work guys, we and other nations like us are supposed to be your allies and friends. Great incentive, I can only pray those fools in Washington do not get a pile of your service people who we respect killed. Wake the f up America.

Posted by: Nick | Jan 12 2024 8:13 utc | 15

The USUK strategy is to create chaos, close off the suez canal, disrupt trade to Europe from China and vice versa.
Once this total chaos has been established, the bribery of arab states begins. They'll try to organise a coalition of the bribed to invade Yemen and Iran. Before that happens, I imagine a big ship of the USUK navy has to be sunk by "enemy fire".

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jan 12 2024 8:18 utc | 16

I don't know what is more "comical," the attempt to divert the world's attention from the ongoing proceedings in the ICJ or the supposedly "serious" strategy of trying to bomb Yemen into submission, something that never once worked over EIGHT LONG YEARS of continuous bombardments.

Hey, you got to laugh or you got to cry, but one thing's for certain: it's the beginning of the end on this season of (GAE) Survivor.

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jan 12 2024 8:22 utc | 17

Jpc
Egypt does what ksa order nowadays. They have started to negociate with qatar and the mb but are more than afraid that the uae has a new betrayal up their sleeve.

Posted by: Mînaa | Jan 12 2024 8:32 utc | 18

Thanks b, but “sidekick UK” is far too generous of a description.

More accurate would be “pathetic vassal and fellow imperialist lackey UK”

More people will die unnecessarily. At least there won’t be a resumption of coffins draped in the Union Jack returning to the UK, because British sailors will be buried in the Red Sea in this latest needless escalation by western leaders of flailing, thrashing, desperate neoliberal capitalism.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 12 2024 8:35 utc | 19

@."Laguerre"
What is this shit ?!?

So I am a "concern troll " and somehow working for "Israel" for asking why other Arab nations are not doing what Yemen is doing?

What is wrong with you??
Clown

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 8:37 utc | 20

The US Navy and thus Washington is only so many drone saturation attacks away from becoming the laughingstock of the world

Posted by: Jonathan | Jan 12 2024 8:42 utc | 21

Posted by: Mînaa | Jan 12 2024 8:32 utc | 18

So that's the real money behind Egypt?

Posted by: jpc | Jan 12 2024 8:43 utc | 22

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc | 1

You must be a 'concern' troll for Israel. You are conveniently forgetting that Israel spent more than 20 years directing the US to destroy any rival Aran powers, a policy that was quite successful.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 12 2024 7:40 utc | 3

Of course she is a concern troll. All concern trolls complain about how little X is doing to fight the West.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 12 2024 8:44 utc | 23

The Houthis have good dance moves.

Posted by: Jose J. | Jan 12 2024 8:46 utc | 24

Egypt will need to decide if it wants to continue being anericas special freand.
They need to look at what happend in Ukraine and Afganistan.
With freands like that...

The Streets of Egypt may have other idea's

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 12 2024 8:52 utc | 25

@7 "Deschutes"
Groan.
Syria, Iran and Yemen are actual nation states who decided to take a stand and are paying in blood.
All I see from other natins who have means to do much more...all I see are speeches online.
So again- why aren't all the other Arab nations who love denouncing Israel, why aren't they fighting Israel then as they always say in speeches??
What are they waiting for ?

Maybe it's your head 'buried in the sand' lol...

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 8:54 utc | 26

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jan 12 2024 8:22 utc | 17

It’s not just attempting to divert from ICJ.

Hunter Biden had another court appearance related to his gun crimes and tax crimes related to $5 million he earned in one year in…Ukraine. I saw that Jill Biden said she was very proud of him.

So proud of him that her husband Genocide Joe Biden has been prepared to sacrifice over 400,000 Ukrainians, 80,000 Russians, around 1,000 Israelis and over 30,000 Palestinians so far to keep his son’s actions quiet.

It makes that dickhead Trump and his family look like a (dishonest and depraved) Sunday school teacher when he paid off the porn star to try and stop her from telling everyone about his expensive infidelity and dishonesty.

These are the people in charge of our society. Get out there this weekend and do something to get these lying, Muswell seeing people out. I thought about printing off the Houthi slogan and putting it in my front window. But in my so called free society that would result in me being arrested and convicted.

Where are my sandals.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 12 2024 8:55 utc | 27

why other Arab nations are not doing what Yemen is doing?

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 8:37 utc | 20

Saudi Arabia is not on good terms with the Houthis. I guess we need a refresher on what happened in Yemen until recently. The west armed the Saudis in Yemen to check the advance of Iran. And no, the Houthis are not on good terms with the Saudis either. And if you insist on the Iranian influence just see how Iran just moved the hotspot to the Red Sea, where it really hurts.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 8:55 utc | 28

Genocide Joe's re-election campaign launch a few days ago at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston SC took off like a lead balloon, interrupted by protesters chanting "ceasefire now" -- in turn countered by supporters of genocide who want "four more years" of it. This is our preview of every public appearance of GJ from now on, mumbling “I understand their passion; I’ve been quietly working with the Israeli government to get them to reduce and significantly get out of Gaza.”

ICJ is icing on the cake of justice, or maybe just electoral karma. Some US Americans are learning to deeply despise blood-soaked Bidenesque hypocrisy. Meanwhile, our presidential campaign literally starts yesterday. We desperately need something to talk about besides Gaza, ergo Good morning, Yemen! Good morning, Iran! Stuck in an escalation rut. The brakes are shot.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 12 2024 8:56 utc | 29

This shock-and-awe salvo comes in at a cool 700 million USD price tag.
It will achieve nothing than to deplete ammo stores.
Yemeni stores can be replenished with a single ship from Iran, how does that work for the US?

Taking the bait time after time into imperial overreach.

Note to alle ME regimes: build massive, empty, cheap decoy bunkers. Place top AD next to them. Keep the actual missiles and launchers in nondescript port warehouses and shipping containers. Survive the first strike, then win.

Posted by: SOS | Jan 12 2024 8:59 utc | 30

ICJ IS RESTARTING RIGHT NOW

https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1c/k1c10lsjoq

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 9:01 utc | 31

Boom first sentence is nazi blah blah holocaust we can't be guilty

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 12 2024 9:06 utc | 32

How convenient for Israel~
I guess most fruitflies will not be able to concentrate on a court case and a war! Let's see if Israel's day in court goes quietly.
And in the meanwhile sexual deviants appoint other sexual deviants to top posts in France.
How absolutely magic! The yellow vests better wake up. The country is stolen in front of your eyes.
Democracy, vote, duty!! Don't make me laugh. And Germany continues down the road to self destruction.
What a wonderful world.
Americas cancer has metastasized.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 12 2024 9:08 utc | 33

@28 Jonathan
I know all that shit.
You can justify their inaction all you want but it still doesn't explain the disparity between what is happening on the ground and what they promised in their speeches for the past two decades.
Palestine is being decimated and kids being killed daily...but that's okay because there is a Friday speech later to tell us how it's all going o plan (eye roll)

Stop with this trash. We can disagree on what the appropriate response is from Arab nations but at least don't gaslight the Palestinian plight....

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 9:09 utc | 34

@Posted by: Rain | Jan 12 2024 8:11 utc | 14

Women are the majority of students in Iranian universities, and heavily represented in technology sectors. Iran is a moderate Muslim nation, yes there are still limitations on what women are allowed to do, many unspoken, but it is a very, very different society to somewhere like Saudi Arabia. And yes Iranian women can choose their husbands and divorce their husbands. The Western Feminist Imperial propagandists are very good at painting a very unrepresentative picture of Iran, while giving Pakistan and Saudi Arabia a free pass. Complaining about headscarves (the women said to be beaten to death actually died of natural causes) rather than the horrific sanctions which affect women and children the most.

This is what Iranian street life in Tehran actually looks like. Most women wear headscarves, not the Niqab, and some don't even wear that. A hijab is actually just a headscarf. There are some more religious conforming and some less religious conforming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dey8ArtNCpM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awShKwusZ10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MfTZ9_2WAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWdNX4Njq_s

The US, UK, Israel etc. have all been attempting to undermine the Iranian government for decades and will use whatever they can to do so. The result will not be a better government, but rather a puppet one that will exploit Iranians for the benefit of the rich ay home and abroad.

It was better for RICH Iranian women under the Shah, but in fact since 1980 female literacy has quadrupled and is now very close to that of men. Birth rates have dropped massively due to better education and healthcare. The life of women in general has greatly improved under the post-Shah governments. Some basic statistics:

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2016/may/25/iran-numbers-women

https://www.parstimes.com/women/women_universities.html

Of course, you will not find any of this in the Western media. Stop listening to the Western propaganda and the fake left bullshitters.

This youtube channel is very good for providing a more realistic view of life in Iran, and some other Moslem nations. There are a lot of good sources if you look outside the Western bullshitters.

https://www.youtube.com/@RezaandMahsaTravellers/videos


Posted by: Roger | Jan 12 2024 9:15 utc | 35

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 8:37 utc | 20

Well, if you're not a concern troll, I suggest you don't make such a good representation of one. If you insist on ignoring all the ME politics of the last 20-30 years, there must be something wrong.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 12 2024 9:16 utc | 36

No, the bombing of Yemen is not for their submission, it is for their distraction value against the ICJ Genocide case AND ideally Yemeni Houthi over-reaction to universally cut off the Red Sea. They'll end up getting neither. The Houthis know why their selective, CONDITIONAL!, blockade of Israeli shipping works, the Israeli pride to insist on Genocide versus full allowance of humanitarian aid. The Israelis will pull all their international ally strings to avoid giving an inch -- even the bare minimum for basic human decency -- and that is their downfall.

The Western goal is to impoverish Egypt to twist them either into accepting refugees of ethnic cleansing or start a larger regional war. However the selective, conditional, blockade circumvents all of that by letting the REST of the shipping money go through to Egypt. This bombing is a Western taunt to get more of a response to excuse greater kinetic brinksmanship. But that just means the current board state is unbearable to the West and its allies.

Holding course is obviously the better strategy for the Houthis to bleed out Empire, but a few retaliatory examples won't hurt much. More importantly it is better to play your strategy than bother being distracted by another's disruption to play their game instead. The blockade's selectiveness helps Egypt and others stay steady, the blockade's conditionality reveals the genocidal intent and moral hypocrisy of the Israeli government. This tactic is an unbearable multi-layered strangulation, of course Empire is desperate to change it.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 12 2024 9:18 utc | 37

From Press TV

Sharmine Narwani, a Beirut-based writer, analyst, and columnist, even expected a strong retaliatory attack against US and UK vessels in waterways near Yemen.

“I honestly question whether the US or UK have carefully considered Yemen's potential responses to this act of war.”

“Ansarallah is an unusual member of the region's Axis of Resistance. It marches to its own tune and its mindset is entirely devoid of western narrative grooming. There is no guessing at the full spectrum of its retaliatory palette, but I would not want to be an American or Brit in the Persian Gulf, Red Sea, or any of the neighboring waterways right now.”

The attack was also seen as a big mistake that could spark a regional war.

“US made a big mistake bombing Yemen. If you think the new war in Yemen is going to be restricted to Yemen, think again. It's now open season for US and British military bases in the region,” Haz Al-Din said.

“The Yemenis are fearless and have nothing to lose. They will easily set the entire region on fire. Do not underestimate their strike capacity far outside Yemen either, or their deeply embedded alliances with other groups.”

“Everyone knows that the major regional war will break out this year. It looks like it might now be entering the point of no return.”

Haz Al-Din hailed Yemenis as “defenders of justice, soldiers of righteousness and keepers of honor”, noting that “All the noble among mankind are with Yemen”, which waged “a war for no other reason than the defense of human dignity, without any profit motive whatsoever.”

“History will remember heroic Yemen, who did what the other Arab leaders were too corrupt and cowardly to do, for all eternity.”

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/01/12/718060/US-UK-attack-Yemen-sparks-anger-social-media

Posted by: Moses22 | Jan 12 2024 9:20 utc | 38

Well there is this view that Hamas is a kind of Iranian satellite. And still some are wondering why the Saudis don't get more proactive. Or why they don't support the Houthis. This is such basic stuff that it should not even be discussed on MoA at this stage. China may have mended ties between Iran and Saudi but it may take more time with pressure mounting on Saudi from the west. Now Russia is trying to tightrope between the two at the risk of looking ridiculous. But remember that South Africa is part of BRICS and the ICJ case has probably been okayed by them. Anything else?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 9:22 utc | 39

ICJ -- if Hamas just lay down their arms, stop hiding behind 'civilians', hand over the and surrender, nirvana will break out and love will fill the air.

Civilian Palestinians will then no longer be shot and killed by Hamas!

You can trust us. We're Jewish. WE understand Genocide.

Only the first of these Lying Scumbags!

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 9:28 utc | 40

why the Saudis don't get more proactive.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 9:22 utc | 39

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The Saudis have all their money invested in the West, and they are watching the slow motion seizure of Russia's frozen $300 billions.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 12 2024 9:28 utc | 41

Red Sea attacks could shrink economy, warns Treasury

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67947795

The BBC understands the Treasury has modelled scenarios including crude oil prices rising by more than $10 a barrel and a 25% increase in natural gas.

On Thursday night, the UK launched air strikes against the Houthi rebels.

The government fears if the disruption to cargo traffic spreads to tanker traffic then another energy shock is possible.

On Friday, the price of Brent crude - the international benchmark for oil prices - rose by 2% to $78.94 per barrel while US West Texas crude increased by 2.1% to $73.55.

...

The boss of shipping giant Maersk has also said "significant disruption" to global trade was already being felt "down to the end consumer".

Prior to the military strikes on Thursday, Maersk chief executive Vincent Clerc had called for a "stronger mobilisation" to repel the attacks, which he said would lead to higher prices for customers.

Remember, buy local, support small business whenever possible.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 12 2024 9:29 utc | 42

The Saudis have all their money invested in the West, and they are watching the slow motion seizure of Russia's frozen $300 billions.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 12 2024 9:28 utc | 41

Where their money grows interest. Some Muslim scholars would call it riba.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 9:34 utc | 43

b, the US named their anti-Ansar Allah flotilla, Operation Prosperity Guardian; not Operation Prosperity Garden.

Savvy posters here will know that it should have correctly been named, Operation Protect Genocide!

Posted by: nudge | Jan 12 2024 9:35 utc | 44

I'd advise at a minimum Yemen to not retaliate immediately, just to 'fork' over all the "oh so clever" short-sellers trying to take advantage of this bombing taunt. Also, let's hear out the lame Israel excuses in full at the ICJ. ;) Sunlight's a great disinfectant, I hear. Exposure, revelations, nakedness... embarassment. The emperor has no clothes.

Posted by: titmouse | Jan 12 2024 9:36 utc | 45

The Houthis reported that a total of 73 strikes were carried out on Yemen.

The losses of the Houthis amounted to 5 people killed and 6 wounded.

"Amrican-British aggression will have no effect on Yemen's decision to attack Israeli ships in the Red Sea, and those ships bound for Israeli ports."

"There will be a response to the attack on Yemen."

Posted by: Yib Crabpit | Jan 12 2024 9:37 utc | 46

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 9:01 utc | 31

"ICJ IS RESTARTING RIGHT NOW

https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1c/k1c10lsjoq "

If I am not mistaken, the legal representative presenting Isreal's oral arguments at the ICJ is an Australian (apart from any other nationality he may hold).

As an Australian myself, he does not speak for me. I endorse and applaud South Africa's principled action at the ICJ, upholding the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and civilized humanity.

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jan 12 2024 9:39 utc | 47

why other Arab nations are not doing what Yemen is doing?

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 8:37 utc | 20

Most Arab governments were installed by the British Empire and/or are dependent on US for their own positions of power. This would include Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf states, Egypt, Jordan, Sudan and Morocco.

Of the remainder, most are recovering from brutal civil wars (Syria, Libya, Iraq, Algeria) or are too far away/incapable of meaningful help.

That leaves Yemen and Lebanon's Hezbollah.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 12 2024 9:39 utc | 48

The Houthis reported that a total of 73 strikes were carried out on Yemen.

The losses of the Houthis amounted to 5 people killed and 6 wounded.

Posted by: Yib Crabpit | Jan 12 2024 9:37 utc | 46

Zelensky's gonna be pissed ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 12 2024 9:40 utc | 49

doubt that these airstrikes had much effect, and I think the US will be forced to continue, and get slowly drawn into a quagmire, if they want to achieve their aims by military means (which is all the US knows). I am doubtful the intelligence sources are good, and the Houthis just don't have the organisation of a modern state. Also the attack was unlikely to be a surprise, and they would have had time to hide the weaponry.

@ laguerre | Jan 12 2024 7:54 utc | 9
And also
@ Krollchem | Jan 12 2024 8:06 utc | 11, who made many of the same points plus a few more:

Yap. I’m in total agreement, with all that. I am deeply skeptical the attacks achieved much (we’ll see in the coming weeks if the Red Sea actually opens up any—not very likely, is my guess).

I would add, however, a point made on Larry Johnson’s blog: one reason the US was forced to beg the participation of the UK isnecause the USN scrapped all its tender ships back in the Clinton administration. Tender ships (for those who don’t know) are smaller, faster ships that accompany fleets on active duty to provide on-the-spot, immediate re-supply services. They are used to re-supply, most critically, ammunition like missiles (but also other stuff like food, and fuel).

So the US needed the UK in on this because…its ships didn’t have enough missiles available to carry out a full strike that would meet the USN’s own RoE applicable to strategic planning. So, lacking the requisite number of missiles that were needed to “saturate” and “fully destroy” (those are Pentagon weasel-words, these days, insofar as they rarely achieve anything close to what those words actually mean) the identified targets.

Now, all those ships are hightailing it back to the nearest harbor that stocks all those missiles they no longer have.

It’s food for thought when mulling over the “when”—not “if” question of the Houthi’s inevitable development of drone swarms. Turkiye has them; the Azeris do, too; now Russia is testing them, so it’s not inconceivable that the Houthis could field cheap and abundant systems that are capable of quickly depleting even a very large ship’s AD systems

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jan 12 2024 9:41 utc | 50

B, I wouldn’t say it was any less stupid, but the operation is stupidly called Operation Prosperity Guardian, not Garden.

Posted by: Dalit | Jan 12 2024 9:44 utc | 51

Boom first sentence is nazi blah blah holocaust we can't be guilty

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 12 2024 9:06 utc | 32

I'm not even going to listen this time. Had enough of this vomit for the last three decades.

I'll wait for b's next summary.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 12 2024 9:45 utc | 52

Any excerpts from Schindler's List?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 9:49 utc | 53

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jan 12 2024 9:41 utc | 50

US-UK doesn't have staying power or continuous ability to project force, so they need to send back ships to ports in Italy to replenish.

I would assume, meanwhile, the obvious choice would be to LR drone strike US airbases in Bahrain and Qatar. And perhaps a refinery in Saudi. Pushing oil up $15 to around 90$ can cripple the fragile western economy, it will push inflation measures up, interest rates up and kill whatever hope for growth again.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 12 2024 9:50 utc | 54

About the strike on Yemen, my take is that it is the beginning of another genocide (or the continuation of the former) that the US and UK will undertake to show their solidarity with Israel.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 12 2024 9:57 utc | 55

@ unimperator | Jan 12 2024 9:50 utc | 54

Excellent observations, and you may be right. Then again, Iran still hasn’t exacted its own justice upon the US for the murder of Soleimani. These people of greater Asia are careful, crafty, and devious (in the best sense of that word), and technology currently favors their patience. Drone technology, strategic applications and tactical uses are developing so damn quickly right now that it’s hard to have any real confidence in our own speculations, so far from a fight we can only see through a glass, darkly.

But I concur: targeting bases makes a lot of sense, but I suspect the Yemenis are working quite diligently on the problem of how to sink a warship.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jan 12 2024 10:07 utc | 56

Arch Bungle | Jan 12 2024 9:45 utc | 52

I am of the same mindset as you.

The zionists have no legal or moral standing in this case; today's session will be a filibuster. Their cadre of liars will appeal to the collective guilt of western populations, with the assurance that their "intelligence" agencies would have already whispered in the judges' ears, "we know where your children & grandchildren live".

Posted by: nudge | Jan 12 2024 10:14 utc | 57

If I am not mistaken, the legal representative presenting Isreal's oral arguments at the ICJ is an Australian (apart from any other nationality he may hold).

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jan 12 2024 9:39 utc | 47

This and the endless parade of Israeli American dual citizens returning to give interviews on American TV make me wonder,

if these people have a home outside Palestine to return to, why are they fighting to deprive the Palestinians of theirs?

Doesn't the US military have a recruiting crisis?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jan 12 2024 10:16 utc | 58

How convenient is the evidence put before the ICJ just now, was Netanyahu's statement yesterday, about no intention to push Palestinians out of Gaza etc etc. they are only interested in Hamas.

In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are used disparagingly. A sophism, or sophistry, is a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments.

Meanwhile the South Africans look decidedly glum, the speaker is chipper, and the judges seem unusually attentive.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 10:18 utc | 59

The actions of the UK in supporting Israel’s genocide are depraved, evil, disgusting, and morally repugnant.

Look no further than the trips made by Prince Andrew and Prince Charles, (now King Charles) to Epstein’s Island for an explanation.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Jan 12 2024 10:19 utc | 60

@48 Delhilitellary

Thanks.
I especially like your point about how how Britain thinks long term and seeds its plants in place, always with nefarious intent.

It's almost like they are waiting for Russia to do something again...but the same nations didn't do much to help Syria even when it was under attack. It can't be Russia and to a lesser extent Iran only at this point (I'm talking militarily).

But here we are as the saying goes. Let's see what happens.
I appreciated the civil tone too 😊
Stay safe.

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 10:21 utc | 61

Oh look a distraction from the ICJ! How predictable.

Posted by: Vortex | Jan 12 2024 10:22 utc | 62

Someone should explain to our Elite warriors that Red Crosses and Red Crescents are NOT target markers for missile attacks.

And someone should explain to the governments sending out those Elite warriors that firing missiles into another means they are starting a war.

Posted by: Marvin | Jan 12 2024 10:23 utc | 63

Greetings to everyone here, this is the first time I'm participating in the conversation, even though I've been following you for a good few years.
I would like to see Yemen armed with effective means of repelling the attacks to which they are subjected due to their courage and boldness. Didn't they arm Ukraine to attack Russia? Arm Yemen with decent weapons to control entry into the Red Sea

Posted by: Zetoichi | Jan 12 2024 10:27 utc | 64

@52
Are you drunk?!?
You people are ruining what was once a good site.

So somehow I am now a "nazi" for wanting Arab nations to hit Israel militarily instead of their leaders giving speeches on the internet?

And what's this shit about the "holocaust "??
What ?
Seriously, what is wrong with some of you ? How on earth did you take that from my question ??
Shrug.
Good luck with whatever is going on in your head, weirdo lol

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 10:30 utc | 65

at what point do Arab nations actually fight

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc |

1. What planet do you live on?

2. On earth, NATO has shown a willingness to completely destroy Arab /Muslim nations when they can't meet their warmongering objectives

3. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY wants a war at home. Resistance movements are defensive movements. A move by an Arab nation would be an OFFENSIVE movement, a declaration of war.

People in West Asia do not want to end up like Libya.

4. There is an active regime change industry in NATO already operating against GCC countries for a long time.

5. STOP blame shifting. The countries bombing West Asia for 32 years are primarily NATO.

Only clueless armchair warriors or Zionist agents like Sami Hamdi who advocate for destabilising the entire GCC so Israel can move in engage in this kind of propaganda.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 12 2024 10:34 utc | 66

at what point do Arab nations actually fight

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 7:20 utc |

1. What planet do you live on?

2. On earth, NATO has shown a willingness to completely destroy Arab /Muslim nations when they can't meet their warmongering objectives

3. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY wants a war at home. Resistance movements are defensive movements. A move by an Arab nation would be an OFFENSIVE movement, a declaration of war.

People in West Asia do not want to end up like Libya.

4. There is an active regime change industry in NATO already operating against GCC countries for a long time.

5. STOP blame shifting. The countries bombing West Asia for 32 years are primarily NATO.

Only clueless armchair warriors or Zionist agents like Sami Hamdi who advocate for destabilising the entire GCC so Israel can move in engage in this kind of propaganda.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 12 2024 10:34 utc | 67

Posted by: Roger | Jan 12 2024 9:15 utc | 35
Posted by: Rain | Jan 12 2024 8:11 utc | 14

Spectacled Western opinion; Muslim women are oppressed. Sure, the same way western women are oppressed in their personal lives.
West wants to see barely clothed women, casual plural partner mating, and all that comes with it. This is another colonial mindset that wants to be imposed on ROTW. Western perception of freedom of women is a great thing for western inclined women. Keep it. Others want to live their lives according to their wishes. Why does that ail the western mind (of course with exceptions that want to let live)?

Posted by: Joey | Jan 12 2024 10:40 utc | 68

"Daddy, daddy, daddy. What did you do in the war?
"I bombed Ansar Allah (literally Followers of God) to stop them blockading Israel so that Israel could complete its plan of ethnic cleansing and genocide as its final solution to the Palestinian problem without suffering any economic damage."


When ICJ rules that Israel is committing genocide, I hope the Royal Navy that once did much to stop the slave trade will back out.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 12 2024 10:52 utc | 69

I wonder whether the US will consider attacking Djibouti for refusing to install US missile launchers for the purpose of attacking Yemen.

Djibouti is just across the Bab al Mandab (Arabic: "Gate of Grief") Strait from Yemen, the name originally having been given due to past perils in navigating it. Now the Bab al Mandab is sure to mean grief for the US, but in a very different way, and with longer-lasting consequences.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 12 2024 10:59 utc | 70

OMG Hamas turns Hospitals into terrorist compounds!

Damn, I had no idea until this pretty Israeli lawyer told the ICJ just now.

I hope the Judges were listening. Jeez, Israel must be innocent. They do so much to protect civilians.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 11:00 utc | 71

Of course, this provides all the Judges with what they need as the out to vote one way not t'other.

I already said where I think this is going to go, but, we'll see.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 11:03 utc | 72

Egypt as 100 millions inhabitants. After the so-called Arab spring and removing of Mubarak, tourism never recovered fully. The MB tried to (and managed for a while) kidnap the revolution and poured money on Morsi, whose campaign was funded mainly by Qatar (there were other Islamist parties, called "salafists", funded by KSA).
KSA has an organic need of Egypt in terms of labour force, proximity, military experience, mixed weddings, education.

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 12 2024 11:03 utc | 73

"If this is the prophesied war for the End Times aka the End of Days, what will happen next is massive destruction followed by a new awakening of harmony and global prosperity for a long time--the world's scriptures say.

Posted by: kana | Jan 12 2024 7:45 utc | 5"

Nope. WW3 doesn't start until 2049 and in 2063 at the height of the Atomic horrors we invent the Warp Drive and make contact with the Vulcans. Then in 2161 after a four year war with the Romulans we form the United Federation of Planets and after that we have global prosperity for a long time - the Star Trek universe according to Gene Roddenbury.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 12 2024 11:24 utc | 74

Some questions in case someone has some information:

1. Did ukus suffer any casualties on the strike force? Any signs of significant Yemeni AD?

2. Was there any droid/missile salvo that might indicate the launchers/bases were being targeted and better try using whatever you have before being hit?

3. Why did UK forewarn Yemen ? Was it a way to do something and say “job done” without pissing the houtis too much?

4. Oman took a pass on bending the knee (refused usage of airspace) , will not be dragged into a war.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 12 2024 11:32 utc | 75

"So proud of him that her husband Genocide Joe Biden has been prepared to sacrifice over 400,000 Ukrainians, 80,000 Russians, around 1,000 Israelis and over 30,000 Palestinians so far to keep his son’s actions quiet..."

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 12 2024 8:55 utc | 27

No, you are incorrect.

Biden is but a puppet of the City/Deep State and is only doing what he is being told-ie start WW3.

The only reason we know about Hunter's um, 'problems', is that he failed to pay to get his laptop fixed-a $250 bill I recollect. The Deep State couldn't afford $250 to protect their 'front man's' son?

It was a set up to put pressure on Biden to advance the Uke war (Zelensky and co. of course have all the damaging corruption evidence against Hunter and his father not to mention Killary and John Kerry)and, as well, they possess a 'tool', cudgel, a method to retire Biden from the Presidency if and when the Deep State decides to do so.

Biden isn't in control of anything , including his bladder and bowels.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2024 11:34 utc | 76

on classic fm radio this morning they played pomp and circumstance military march the theme from the dam busters,theme from the battle of britain movie and the lovely violin refrain from schindlers list simply perfect programming

Posted by: josip | Jan 12 2024 11:40 utc | 77

"b, the US named their anti-Ansar Allah flotilla, Operation Prosperity Guardian; not Operation Prosperity Garden.

Savvy posters here will know that it should have correctly been named, Operation Protect Genocide!"
Posted by: nudge | Jan 12 2024 9:35 utc | 44

With the idea that everything the Empire signifies is almost always the exact opposite how about:

"Operation Poverty Guaranteed."??

Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2024 11:51 utc | 78

Weasels worldwide will be silent for years to come. All their words were used up in court today

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 12 2024 11:54 utc | 79

Scope of strike on Yemen is limited to a point the whole thing amounts to media posturing to divert attention from ICJ processings.
UK sent four planes for Christ's sake Argentina could do much better.
The US getting rid of passed sale date Tomahawks.
Indeed some real Joe Tzu stroke: oh y'all see my muscle!

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 12 2024 11:57 utc | 80

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jan 12 2024 9:41 utc | 50

Wonderful analysis, thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2024 11:57 utc | 81

I wear sandals in honour of the Houthis

Posted by: Jacq | Jan 12 2024 7:51 utc | 8

I can't due to belated global warming here in Canada.

Though I am thrilled by their spirit and courage!
They already succeeded in shutting down sea traffic to Eilat.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 12 2024 12:02 utc | 82

@68
Calm down clown.

1. So basically allow Palestine to be completely ruined because they are afraid of getting hit themselves if they try to stop the genocide.
You can add all the sophistry you want but this is just cowardly. I bet you look forward to those speeches every Friday eh 😏...

2. So they give decades of speeches about standing up to Israel and then when a lifetime crisis emerges that has at its centre the absolute destruction of brave Palestinians...your response is to simp for the nations doing nothing but are on record for saying they will do something.
I have no issues if they kept quiet and even used the same rhetoric as you. But why lie for decades about what you're going to do, give Palestinians hope... and then when the genocidal war starts, do nothing but give speeches. Pathetic.

3. I'm not blame shifting (whatever that means). Just observing that we all know what has been done by the usual AngoSaxons (as Putin calls them lol) plus Israel to everyone from sanctions to bombs.

But at some point you have to fight.

Palestine is doing that.

Save your "explanations" for all the other Arab nations who ,thanks to their conflict, are being exposed for the blowhards they are.

Let see what happens next....

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 12:15 utc | 83

Didn't they arm Ukraine to attack Russia? Arm Yemen with decent weapons to control entry into the Red Sea
Posted by: Zetoichi | Jan 12 2024 10:27 utc | 64

Who? Iran probably, not much I suspect. The "multipolarists" aren't united by their own will or by force (like nato slaves), they're pre-digested food behind a simple trade deal which won't last long, not with India or Brazil or Africans trying to arrest Putin for ICC. Russia and China or India are also Israel's friends, partners, they will never do anything against (tass.com/economy/1730077) even after Bibi started killing Russians on Ukr side. Iran is still waiting for two little planes from Russia but nato received S400 years ago. Syria is still bombed, often multiple times a month. Why would Yemen even ask for this type of "help"? Russia already is concerned (tass.com/politics/1731495) and that is all.

Posted by: rk | Jan 12 2024 12:22 utc | 84

Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 12:15 utc | 83

Blame shifting armchair warrior with IQ below room temperature and even more limited vocabulary.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 12 2024 12:34 utc | 85

How many people here remember how the USA aided and abetted the Ukrainian attack that sank the Moskva?

I'm sure everyone in the Kremlin remembers that only too well.

They must be rubbing their hands in glee at the thought that the US Navy has decided to go all-in in a war fought within the confines of the Red Sea.

Expect the Houthis to receive surreptitious supplies of sea drones that can easily sink a destroyer-sized vessel.

No idea where it came from, of course, and if you asked anyone in the Kremlin they'd shrug and say "It wasn't me. Zelensky, maybe?"

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 12 2024 12:35 utc | 86

With the idea that everything the Empire signifies is almost always the exact opposite how about:

"Operation Poverty Guaranteed."??

Posted by: canuck | Jan 12 2024 11:51 utc | 78

All this while the guy leading it got prostate cancerized by a missile strike in Kiev... and failed to advise Joe Tzu and Kirby in time ...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 12 2024 12:35 utc | 87

The Houthi's were fighting the Saudi's for years, the Saudi bombed everything in Houthi territory worth bombing, there is literally nothing left to bomb. The Saudi's were reduced to bombing water wells in the absence of anything else to bomb. Lots of Sunni Muslim nations sent troops to aid the Saudi's in their fight against the Houthis. Both America and Israel assisted the Saudi's with there being talk of both American and Israeli planes bombing the Houthis during the Saudi Houthi conflict.

The conflict stopped over the covid period, so the Houthis have been building up supplies and munitions since then. Bombing the Houthi's now will make no difference whatsoever. Only lots of Western boots on the ground can stop the Houthi's, it doesn't look like the West has the stomach for that sort of a fight.

Posted by: gT | Jan 12 2024 12:37 utc | 88

@84 rk "Russia and China or India are also Israel's friends, partners, they will never do anything against"

Hmmm, if you say so. But the Russians have a MAJOR beef with the USA, given how they gave invaluable real-time intel that allowed the Ukrainians to attack and sink the flagship of the Russian Black Fleet.

Pretty sure the Kremlin hasn't forgotten, and certainly haven't forgiven.

So giving the Houthis something that can poke holes in a US destroyer sufficient to send it to the bottom of the Red Sea is likely to be one of those times when the Russians say "Yeah, why not? After all, it is their turn."

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 12 2024 12:39 utc | 89

"b, the US named their anti-Ansar Allah flotilla, Operation Prosperity Guardian; not Operation Prosperity Garden.

Savvy posters here will know that it should have correctly been named, Operation Protect Genocide!"
Posted by: nudge | Jan 12 2024 9:35 utc | 44

Should have been named "Market Guardian" a.k.a. "One strike too far".

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 12 2024 12:48 utc | 90

OMG Hamas turns Hospitals into terrorist compounds!
Damn, I had no idea until this pretty Israeli lawyer told the ICJ just now.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 11:00 utc | 71

Yes I tuned in to that grand performance based mainly on gaslighting, misrepresenting facts on the ground, etc. I'm biased. Go Hamas. lol

1) However most of the argument was around precedents and rejected cases. WAY beyond my knowledge of both the conflicts and ICJ involvement in them. So they reject South Africa's use of prior conflicts (cases) as either not being similar (re Russia) or the requirement not being met. They also focus on when the court rejected applications before it (Bosnia?).
A lawyer or political analyst familiar with international law might have a valid opinion here, I don't.

2) Essentially, Israel argues this is an attempt to end the conflict, prevent Israel from defending itself and biases the conflict in favour of Hamas.

They also argue that they are meeting their obligations, particularly in the case of humanitarian aid, protecting (evacuating) civilians, food and water, and prevention of harm.
They reference daily aid, which I would like to see a chart of the prior year; it's something I recognized as a false claim (easily refuted).

I can't tell, but any hope Israel has here will be in 1) IE prior precedents established and the jurisdiction of the court here. Basically looking to get off on a legal technicallity of some sort.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 12 2024 12:49 utc | 91

It’s just occurred to me that the ICJ must find in favour of South Africa and will issue cease and desist notice to Israel.

The tell is that USUK know this, hence their immediate attack on Yemen. If the ICJ was going to reject South Africa’s case then Yemen would have no legal right to resist Red Sea shipping to Israel on the basis that there was no genocide. USUK would only have had to wait until early next week for threats and attacks, but they didn’t wait. They’ve attacked already.

This must be a huge indicator that the ICJ will rule In favour of South Africa that Israel is committing genocidal acts.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 12 2024 12:53 utc | 92

Isr at ICJ accuses S A of "weaponising"the accusation of genocide.. jeez these guys need locking up in a psychiatric treatment place Could not watch this manifestation of their psychosis . poor little Isr... always someone else's fault everyone else is complicit against us.....attack attack attack!

They are very sick in the head.

Posted by: Jo | Jan 12 2024 13:08 utc | 93

I am personally looking forward to seeing Yemen send in some small unmanned attack boats containing explosives (remember the Stark incident). Better would be to see semi-submerged underwater drones running slowly and attacking capital ships like aircraft carriers or Cruisers. We are seeing a new age of warfare and things like saturation attacks which overwhelm defensive systems. I recall an Arleigh Burke carrying something like 90 air defense missiles and can now only be re-supplied in port. It doesn't take too many attack waves to deplete their supply. This is when you will see a sudden movement way out of range or back to home port. The underwater drones might have far greater ranges and be able to sneak in if they move quietly. They have been a PITA for Russia but once used by someone they will get used by everyone hence a game changer in that regard.

We are only seeing the opening moves so far. The worst thing is attacking a country trying to stop a genocide. This clearly puts the US and UK into co-defendants to the genocide should the court decide in favor of South Africa. Personally, I think they have been subjugated and will rule in favor of Israel. What happens then is a huge question.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 12 2024 13:18 utc | 94

Posted by: Roger | Jan 12 2024 9:15 utc | 35
Posted by: Rain | Jan 12 2024 8:11 utc | 14

Spectacled Western opinion; Muslim women are oppressed. Sure, the same way western women are oppressed in their personal lives.
West wants to see barely .....

Posted by: Joey | Jan 12 2024 10:40 utc | 68

@68
Calm down clown.
Posted by: Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 12:15 utc | 83

Besides being a blind clown. You are also an idiot. Textbook description.

Posted by: Joey | Jan 12 2024 13:18 utc | 95

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 12 2024 13:18 utc | 94

How do those ships normally respond on drones? Can the radars see the drones, and do they fire an anti-air missile at the drone while still out of range of point defense weapons? I also understand the US carrier has been sending fighters to intercept drones and sub-sonic ASMs.

If so, then what experts say about $1-2k drones depleting a single $1-2M missile is probably very effective. It will also significantly increase US/UK costs of operating their ships.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 12 2024 13:23 utc | 96

@ Joey | Jan 12 2024 13:18 utc | 95

Did you realise that @ Skeletor | Jan 12 2024 12:15 utc | 83 was actually replying to Pq @67 and not you @68?

Does Skeletor realise it too? What a terrible day here. Is it a full moon? Or a mega-mercury retrograde? :-)

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 13:27 utc | 97

@ Lev Davidovich | Jan 12 2024 12:53 utc | 92

I don’t think so, sadly. Assuming the attack on Ansarallah was meant as a distraction from the SA case at ICJ, the motive doesn’t have to be a fear that SA will prevail. More likely it’s just an act of narrative control: Discourse must be limited so as to exclude the very thought that the Zionists are capable of committing genocide.

Looks like most of the judges are eating out of the Zionists’ hands (or hind quarters) anyway.

That much said, I appreciate your contributions here, which are uncommonly thoughtful.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 12 2024 13:29 utc | 98

@ Lavrov's Dog | Jan 12 2024 13:27 utc | 97

Perhaps it isn’t entirely useless to note, for what seems like the thousandth time, that referring to comment number is worse than useless. When the site owner rescues or deletes comments, the comment numbers change.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 12 2024 13:32 utc | 99

The Israeli team had the benefit of knowing in advance the South African submissions. Eighty four well drafted, footnoted and well evidenced pages. The Israeli team submitted nothing in writing in advance. So the opening prick for Israel was able (at least try) to minimise the damage the detailed factual exposition caused. In this he was unsuccessful and he had to resort to an “Alice in Wonderland” style inversion in asserting that Israel was in fact preventing a Hamas genocide.
The real significance of the hearing will be the highlighting to the non-western world and its hangers-on that the assumption, that the UN and its highest court is capable of acting non-politically, impartially and is not dominated by the US, et al, is completely false.
The world needs to look elsewhere for justice. And I say this well in advance of the ICJ’s verdict. Because even if it founds itself bound by its own decisions such as the Myanmar finding, Israel and the US will simply ignore an adverse finding. Just look how many UN resolutions they and the UK ignore with total impunity.

Posted by: Vragtes | Jan 12 2024 13:32 utc | 100

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