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January 10, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: High Losses, Mobilization Problems, Too Few Air Defenses

The Wall Street Journal provides another dark frontline story (archived) from Ukraine. It describes the attempts by a airborne company to take Russian positions near Verbove, a town next to the famous 'Bradley square' where the Ukrainian counteroffensive had failed:

Just after dawn on Aug. 12, drones swept overhead as they approached the target along a line of trees between farm fields. Kharchenko’s men had been told Russian drones would be downed by Ukrainian jamming equipment and assumed they were their own. Then the drones began dropping explosives. The trees exploded with machine-gun fire. Grenades lobbed from automatic launchers burst around them.

The platoon was incapacitated. More than half of its 20 or so men were dead or wounded within minutes, including the medic.

“What shall we do with the injured? F—!” Senior Sgt. Maksym Serheyev, commander of the first platoon, yelled over the radio to his commander. “There are more of them than us.”

The company commander requested smoke grenades to be fired before a rescue mission was sent to recover the wounded without being seen by Russian drones or soldiers.

Why no smoke was used during the first attempt to attack is not explained. Smoke would also have helped during the first phase of the counter attack when dozens of infantry fighting vehicles and tanks ran into minefields and were then destroyed by Russian anti-tank missiles.

When I learned to become a tank platoon leader we regularly requested smoke screens from the artillery or used the smoke grenades mounted on our tanks to hide our movement. The Ukrainian soldiers have done so only rarely:

“This isn’t World War II and Guderian,” said a senior Ukrainian security official, referring to German Gen. Heinz Guderian, a pioneer of Blitzkrieg. “This is World War I and trenches.”

By the end of the day, only three of 22 men in the first platoon remained fully fit.

Verbove remains in Russian hands. Further infantry assaults by Khorol’s men led to further small gains, but more losses and no significant breakthrough.

The WSJ report includes a picture of an old Ural sidecar motorcycle describe as the only means to evacuate the wounded:


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Such sidecars were widely used during World War II.

The Ukrainian army is said to lose about 30,000 men per month:

The Ukrainian government has not released official figures for the total number of soldiers who have been killed or wounded since Russia launched its full-scale invasion nearly two years ago.

However, anecdotal evidence of mounting Ukrainian casualties in the war was reinforced by claims made on Ukrainian television this weekend by the country's former prosecutor general.

Yuriy Lutsenko claimed that around 30,000 Ukrainian troops are now being killed or badly wounded per month and that the total casualty toll for wounded and killed in the war is around 500,000.

Those are 1,000 per day. That is more than the Russian Ministry of Defense claims in its daily reports. The average therein is about 600 to 700 per day listed as Ukrainian dead or heavily wounded. Left out of the reports are those killed or wounded unobserved due to far range missile strikes.

The high losses are the reason why the Ukrainian government wants to, over the next year, mobilizes another 500,000 men and women. That are about 41,000 per months. But the new mobilization law the government presented to the parliament was full of unconstitutional clauses (in Russian) and will have to be heavily modified. The mobilization efforts are unlikely to be successful.

December and January have seen three large scale Russian missile attacks aimed at Ukrainian weapon production sides. The attacks have exhausted the Ukrainian air defenses (machine translation):

The Ukrainian Air Force confirmed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do have a shortage of anti-aircraft guided missiles.

This was stated by Air Force spokesman Yuri Ignat, commenting on The New York Times article that the United States will soon not be able to supply Ukraine with Patriot missiles.

"It is clear that there is a shortage of anti-aircraft guided missiles, and no one is hiding it. That is why there are such concerns in the Western press. I think that our Western partners are well informed about the state of affairs with our air defense systems," Yuri Ignat said on the telethon.

He said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces spent a lot of missiles to repel the last three massive Russian attacks on December 29, January 2 and January 8.

There will be more large scale missile attacks and there will only be few new anti-air missiles to replace the fired ones.

On the front line the Russian practice what they deem an 'active defense'. Local attacks, while small, are used to take up better positions.

The toll on the Ukrainians is high:

“Morale is all right,” said the deputy battalion commander, who uses the call sign Shira, standing nearby to see the men off. “But physically we are exhausted.”

The men of the 117th Brigade, who were deploying to the front line in the Zaporizhzhia region on a recent night, faced a four-mile hike through rain and mud, the intelligence commander said. If they were wounded and captured, Russian troops would execute them, he warned them.

The long, arduous slog to carry in ammunition and food to supply troops and to carry out the wounded was one reason Ukraine could not sustain its counteroffensive, a company commander, Adolf, 23, said.

Ambulances and supply vehicles came under fire from kamikaze drones so often that his unit stopped using them, resorting instead to a four-wheeled buggy that volunteer engineers rigged up to carry a stretcher.

The toll is heavy for all units along the front. Almost everyone has been wounded or survived a narrow escape in recent months, soldiers said.

“We are short of people,” said an intelligence commander of the 117th Brigade who uses the call sign Banderas, after the actor. “We have weapons but not enough men.”

A some point such units will break down, likely at the end of the currently harsh winter.

That might become the moment the Russians will change from active defenses to bigger attacks. But big red arrow movements are difficult to prepare for as NATO surveillance via spy planes and satellites is able to detect any concentration of forces.

Expanding multiple local attacks to find a weak position to then lead up rear forces where a breakthrough seems likely is probably the better strategy.

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He was informed of the decision to close the entry to Russia to a number of Moldovan officials, in response to the actions of the Moldovan leadership, and expressed concern about information that appeared in the media about plans to assist in the training of Armed Forces personnel in the territory of the republic with the participation of instructors from NATO countries, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 10 2024 21:30 utc | 101

beep beep boop boop – never mess with people who understand machine talk
– the westerners will never understand

Posted by: Macpott | Jan 10 2024 21:31 utc | 102

Posted by: TG | Jan 10 2024 21:14 utc | 98
Relatives and acquaintances from RF who came back from fighting, told that very ‘convinced’ or heavily nazi tattoed pows don’t stand a chance when captured. Foreign mercenaries are basically killed on the spot.

Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Jan 10 2024 21:34 utc | 103

To add to my above @100, there have been a number of cases where Russia has opend heavy fire on positions of nazi units to alow consc rpt regulars to cross the line and surrender. Another case captured on drone where a nazi unit opened fire on a retreating regular unit and downed them all. Another case on telegram where a surrendering regular unit were all downed by a nazi unit from behind as they were heading across no mans land with a white flag. This was videoed and posted to social media by the nazis. The machine gun that downed the surrendering unit opened up from close beside the camera.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:35 utc | 104

Canuck @90
I am further south then Sudbury, closer to Bancroft and my LCBO is part of a gas station/convenience store complex so I’m definitely shopping for Wiser’s in a convenience store lol.
Nobody around here has an opinion on the Outlaw US Empire, Ukraine or Gaza which is the way I like it since they would most likely be Ukrofans anyways. It’s the Leafs, the weather and snowmobiling talk 24/7 these days….

Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 10 2024 21:38 utc | 105

@75 sln2002 – Johnson is in deep trouble. He cannot hold his GOP coalition together:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4400715-conservatives-tank-procedural-vote-in-revolt-against-johnsons-spending-deal/
If the spending deal can’t pass the House, they’ll have to go to a CR, and probably Ukraine money is dead.
I can’t see the Freedom Caucus not rebelling and calling for a motion to vacate if Johnson makes one more move to sellout to Biden.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 10 2024 21:46 utc | 106

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 19:48 utc | 76
Yes I agree with the short term scenario that the US desires.
It won’t work in the medium and long term for the following reasons:
1. The US dollar is not what it used be and the US debt will drag down it value-more QE will just inflate the weakening currency so it won’t be easy to buy off cheap European companies
2.The atavistic American diplomatic corps are still operating as it it is 1992 and they have no competition militarily or economically; today there are the BRICS and a strong if not official military alliance including Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen et al.
3. China, Russia, Middle East will also bid for the ruptured European assets.
4. The European populace will eventually realize they were bagged by the US/NATO//UK et al and vote out the scum they have in now and focus on trade with Russia and the East.
5. The US itself is blowing up-it is now in the dying phase of a falling Empire (1) and its internal problems will extinguish its foreign ambitions.
6. The City will dump the US and pick another beard, or work/collude with China/Russia et al.
That’s why, in the medium to long term the US plan is doomed.
1. The United States is a Republic -it fashioned it’s government from the Roman republic; the last fight in the late Republic was Pompey versus Caesar. We have Biden versus Trump. Sigh…

Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 21:48 utc | 107

We have a insurrection in Ecuador,
Venezuela claiming territorial rights in Guiana,
the Houthis closing the Suez canal,
Israel-Palestinian and Israel-Hezbollah war,
North and South Korea “exchanging” ammo,
Germany in a standstill due to strikes,
the war in Ukraine,
continuous attacks on US bases in the middle east,

The only way I see the west keeping up with the loss of access to raw materials and markets while simultaneously projecting their power onto multiple fronts is money printing and colored revolutions. An economic crisis with a high inflation is imminent by middle or the end of this year. The Weimar republic is coming to an end, let us see who comes to power and what becomes of the EU.

Posted by: ForWhomTheBellTolls | Jan 10 2024 21:57 utc | 108

Posted by: Bob | Jan 10 2024 16:20 utc | 13
Human beings often regard “meaning” as more important than life itself. The more dangerous and difficult the situation once you are in a fight you deeply connect with your comrades and your flag (or whatever) much of religion is clearly bullshit as is national identity but people still live and die for mass aims once the shit hits the fan. Gradually after many years you begin to question what you are doing as happened in Vietnam which is why Nixon rolled back the war before mutiny would have crashed the combat soldiers–most were gung-ho but increasing numbers of military personal had lost their sense of mission. One of my best friends (in the Navy) described a culture of ignoring orders on the ship he was based on, for example. The ship had been, in essence out of the war towards the end.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jan 10 2024 21:59 utc | 109

I am betting that the 117th Brigade intel commander uses the call sign Bandera and that The NYT changed his call sign to Banderas and added “after the actor” to avoid complaints from its readers.
There must have been a slip-up though – no-one can be 100% perfect in parsing every single word, every single phrase in a long article – and “Adolph” was let through, instead of being changed to “Dolph”, after the actor Dolph Lundgren.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 10 2024 21:59 utc | 110

“Call sign Banderas, after the actor.”
Yeah right.

Posted by: Gregorio | Jan 10 2024 22:01 utc | 111

Posted by: Gregorio | Jan 10 2024 22:01 utc | 111
Thats quite funny.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 10 2024 22:25 utc | 112

I agree with Bevin @ 18 and others that consolidating neo-colonial control over Europe was always a U.S. goal for its long range plans regarding Ukraine. A more prophetic visionary saw this as early as 2014; probably I found this link here on MOA in 2021 or 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySZL3g1A1uI Only 7 minutes.
After the conclusion of this armed phase, attempts to carve up Russia will continue by other stratagems. The US for many decades used its own south as an internal colony for generation of super-profits. Europe has been a partial colony since WWII; hereafter Europe will be more tightly controlled. At least that’s the plan…

Posted by: mjh | Jan 10 2024 22:38 utc | 113

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:19 utc | 30 Acronyms…
Thanks for the updated list Alchemist. Appreciated by many.
Thanks for MOA b, and your superb commentary and analysis.

Posted by: UBAH | Jan 10 2024 22:47 utc | 114

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 10 2024 17:19 utc | 30 Acronyms…
Thanks for the updated list Alchemist. Appreciated by many.
Thanks for MOA b, and your superb commentary and analysis.

Posted by: UBAH | Jan 10 2024 22:47 utc | 115

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:28 utc | 100
On several occasions, surrendering Ukrainian units have been executed. It’s a dumb move that significantly increased casualties for other friendly units and targets your own for retribution. The Malmedy Massacre, during Pieper’s drive to the Meuse, significantly hardened some US unit’s resolve to fight on against the odds. Surrender is a very powerful ‘weapon’, which is why the Ukrainians’ have blocking units, but to say the Russians (not militia) haven’t, on occasion, killed POW’s is a false statement.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 10 2024 22:48 utc | 116

Posted by: bevin | Jan 10 2024 16:40 utc | 18
As recently noted elsewhere, the NATO objective of the war in Ukraine may have changed from ‘weakening Russia and hastening regime change” to sealing the US takeover of Europe. Now destined, like other Monroe Doctrine Protectorates to become, a prize of the empire. An ageless jewel in Uncle Sam’s harem.

Except now the Empire seems to be contained within the Western / Maritime axis. It’s not complete yet – there are flashpoints around the borders of Eurasia in various -stans, Ukraine, Israel – with perhaps Latin America and Africa going into the cauldron for a while soon until the two axes are set – but the overall thrust seems pretty much fait accompli already with Eurasia going their own way. This is a huge change in perception and facts on the ground compared to only a few short years ago which now seem part of era now rapidly receding into the past.
Indeed, the Reset is well underway. Once the global geopolitical bifurcation is set then political-financial reforms will follow within each bloc wherein our smaller Western one will be your ‘Empire’, whose elites will have conquered their own populations basically, but not the Rest of the World’s. Or so it will seem at first. Then later it will become apparent that although all are within their distinct civilizational ‘pole’ we are all ruled by the same financial-AI- technocracy whose internationally ensconced elites will no longer need to pretend there is any use for the old democracies we so naively imagined we grew up in.
Meanwhile, soon to be resolved: will the intensely tribal Jewish power networks bent on possessing Ukraine and Israel be able to stay there in charge, or is that period soon over? Interesting times..

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 10 2024 22:50 utc | 117

It would be interesting to hear from the German posters about this growing ‘rebellion’ against the WEF’s approved future. I’ve often posted that those who think the West will go quietly into the globalist noose are mistaken and that popular revolutions, driven by more right-leaning citizens, not the left, will be a serious impediment but is this a bona-fide example?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/10/massive-pushback-german-railway-workers-join-farmer-protest-german-and-polish-truckers-providing-additional-support/#more-254648
Also, what will the geo-political impact be, if Germany starts down this route?

Posted by: Milites | Jan 10 2024 23:03 utc | 118

“… who uses the call sign Banderas, after the actor.
Best chuckle all day!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 10 2024 23:29 utc | 119

I can’t see my german countrymen manning the barricades anytime soon. One piece of anecdotal argument: policemen here regularly carry a sidearm. It’s been that way for long, and for a reason.

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2024 23:30 utc | 120

Honzo: All true. But if the President refused to wage war according to the wishes of a veto-proof majority in Congress, he could well be impeached and convicted, the definition of “high crimes and misdemeanors” being eminently flexible and all.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2024 20:48 utc | 87
This is true, but impeachment is a long process and involves a majority in the House to bring the bill, and a two-thirds majority in the Senate to convict. Given the polarization already existing in the US, I doubt this could be achieved, and in the six months it took to find out, US forces would not be in combat. That’s enough time for a president to sway the masses from his bully pulpit, when the issue is not putting their sons and daughters on the line of fire.
I’m not suggesting that Trump would stonewall congress on this, but he could. Of course, they’d probably kill him, so there’s that.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 23:57 utc | 121

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 10 2024 17:47 utc | 40
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 10 2024 17:51 utc | 42
Re: Military Abbreviations and Acronyms
Thanks for the additions. My file (now with 123 items) is 25% larger than when I first posted it. Do you believe that most of our regular posters know the majority of these?
http://www.jugglerpress.com/acronyms.pdf

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 0:06 utc | 122

So, my estimate of 30,000 a month dead, irretrievably injured and taken prisoner seems to be even on the low side these days! My estimation that Ukraine would become a country of old and damaged men seems to be more vindicated by the day. Ukraine is working hard to prove me wrong though, by adding as many dead and damaged women as it can!
By the end of May we will have had 26 months of war, that’s 780,000 dead, irretrievably wounded and taken prisoner. With the recent escalation, that number may well be quite a bit north of 800,000. And that does not include the psychological damaging of so many of the ones who remain physically functioning.
Lets say the losses are now 35,000 a month, the requested extra 500,000 would be eaten up in 16 months. What would be left after that? But the Ukrainian armed services aren’t going to get anywhere near that amount so they will be running a sizeable deficit every month; while replacing younger, more experienced and more committed fighters with older cannon fodder that really does not want to be there. With Russian advances in drone technology and the increasing availability of artillery, rockets and missiles those losses can only continue to escalate.
I find myself closer to the camp of Richard Steven Hack, wondering how the Ukrainian army and Ukrainian society will manage to hold things together through 2024 without some form of collapse. The increasing dissension within the Ukrainian elites points to this reality becoming very evident to them. Who will cut and run for the Russians? Arestovich already seems to see the writing on the wall and is rapidly attempting to rebrand as pro-Russian.
With the supplies of Western equipment and munitions now falling to a trickle, Russia’s recent attacks on military production facilities is very intelligent. Now made during the day to kill the very hard to replace skilled munitions workers and send a message to other Ukrainians. With the supplies from North Korea, and the massively ramped up Russian MIC production, the contest is now increasingly unbalanced in Russia’s favour.
Another factor may be the kleptocratic elite’s rush to grab as much spoils as possible, further undermining the war effort, as the end of their party beckons. Zelensky appointing his hometown neighbour as the state financial controller certainly seems to be a step along the way.
Another excellent piece from Simplicius discussing some of the Russian technology advances, the crapification of the Western MIC and Ukrainian shenanigans:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-1924-latest-leading-edge-tech?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Posted by: Roger | Jan 11 2024 0:08 utc | 123

Posted by: Gregorio | Jan 10 2024 22:01 utc | 111
What are you trying to say? That Ukraine hasn’t got a ton of streets and statues dedicated to Antonio Banderas? Didn’t you know that “Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown” is the national movie of Ukraine?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 0:10 utc | 124

@Posted by: Milites | Jan 10 2024 22:48 utc | 116
Were the surrendering Ukrainians executed by their own punishment battalions or the Russians? If the latter please provide some supporting videos/documentation as that would be completely counter-productive for the Russians who have been treating Ukrainian POWs very well. This did happen somewhat during the fighting for Bakhmut, I forget the triggering episode for that.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 11 2024 0:11 utc | 125

@bevin | Jan 10 2024 16:40 utc | 18
Sadly. Agree. Strategic autonomy it sure ain’t. Geopolitically castrated.
Germany the leading lemming.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jan 11 2024 0:13 utc | 126

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2024 23:30 utc | 120
I think these are the slow moving, rolling barricades, that have proved effective in other similar demonstrations. What is the popular mood, the news here is useless at giving anything more that the ‘official version’.
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 10 2024 23:57 utc | 121
I also think the US military needs its own mid-service refit/update programme, and a serious ‘purging’ of senior leadership who are unfit for purpose, ironically mirroring the position of their post Cold-War adversary, albeit for different reasons.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 11 2024 0:13 utc | 127

@Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Jan 10 2024 21:34 utc | 103
As they should be, the rules of war do not apply to paid mercenary killers. Most especially the Nazi ones who have most probably been involved in numerous crimes against civilians and POWs. The less of them alive the better, and also sends a message to any others that are used to murdering farmers and goat-herders to stay away.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 11 2024 0:16 utc | 128

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 0:06 utc | 122
You missed my suggestions. But this is starting to seem a little bit like an IP harvesting operation. To what end, I have no idea. No other content on your WordPress site is a little concerning, though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 129

@tyrone_slothrop 103
I don’t blame the Russian soldiers one bit, not after Putin exchanged the Azovstal nazis and mercenaries.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 11 2024 0:41 utc | 130

“the US blew up NS2 impoverishing Europe for a generation. In the short term the greedy US pricks can sell them LNG and think they are brilliant, where in reality in the medium and long term – as the populace wakes up to the music – Gaul will inevitably separate from the Empire.”
Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 17:11 utc | 26
Outstanding observation!

Posted by: Cerena | Jan 11 2024 0:51 utc | 131

“After Russia is sufficiently weakened USA will come to finish it off…”
Posted by: Captain America | Jan 10 2024 18:54 utc | 62
This statement has a strong Jewish-Ukrainian accent.
Who is exactly going to come from the USA to “finish off” the Russian Federation? – The geriatric kleptocrats occupying the Knesset on Potomac, the rotten private banking cartel parasitizing on the collective west, the unhappy US army, or mercenaries?
Russia is no Iraq & Afghanistan militarily – are you aware of this? Add to that the Russian patriotism which is orthogonal to the genocidal psychopathy characteristic for Israelis (Israel-firsters) and successfully-conned Banderites.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/10/army-sees-sharp-decline-white-recruits.html
https://usafacts.org/articles/military-recruitment-is-down/
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/upfront/2023/3/3/what-is-behind-the-us-military-recruitment-crisis

Posted by: Cerena | Jan 11 2024 0:55 utc | 132

Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 20:30 utc | 84
Sounds good, but …
Such a scenario would be ideal for both Russia and Ukraine, and while Moscow might calculate with this possibility, it definitely needs a plan B in case it doesn’t materialize.
The Ukronazis had 10 years to eliminate or force to emigrate any opponents, and esp. in the last 2 years, nobody really cared how many “pro-Russian traitors” were killed. Ordinary people are sent to die on the front, while the well-trained Nazi battalions are used as ‘barrier troops’ to keep them from running away. Which means few of them are killed in battle, unfortunately.
Where are the forces that could launch a popular uprising/ revolution?
In WW2, Germans became increasingly pessimistic after the attack on the Soviet Union, but there was no organized resistance. Even killing Hitler in 1944 probably wouldn’t have changed much.
“Ukraine opinion does appear to be starting to turn…” – I’d love to believe, but where do you see signs of that happening?

Posted by: smuks | Jan 11 2024 0:59 utc | 133

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jan 10 2024 21:09 utc | 95
Arte tv is Bernard-Henri Lévy, aka Botul, a sionist, supporter of the ukronazis. When he went to Odessa, he met Marchenko, from Aidar. Arte is lying like all western msm.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 11 2024 1:15 utc | 134

Posted by: TG | Jan 10 2024 21:14 utc | 98
Rumors, not fact. I am still looking for an example where an Ukrainian prisoner was killed by the Russians. The ukronazis are trying to kill those wanting to surrender. Several examples. The Russians try to save wounded prisoners sometimes at their own risk.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 11 2024 1:20 utc | 135

Posted by: Milites | Jan 10 2024 22:48 utc | 116
You are lying, you have no evidence, but your propaganda.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 11 2024 1:26 utc | 136

Posted by: Cerena | Jan 11 2024 0:55 utc | 132
Are stupid comments worth a reply? Russia becomes stronger with time, not weaker. And with more experience.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 11 2024 1:32 utc | 137

Listen dipsheets. Jewkraine is sooo last year. It’s 2024 fer krissake! Just die already clowns!

Posted by: nook | Jan 11 2024 1:33 utc | 138

mjh | Jan 10 2024 22:38 utc | 113
The UK/US strategy of tightening control over the EU really started in 2013, when they saw Berlin and Moscow cooperating in the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons. It became obvious with Brexit and the election of Trump in 2016.
However, this isn’t about “destroying” EUrope, but dependency and political control. The US (not to mention the UK) needs the old continent as industrial base in its confrontation with China.
It’s comparable to Nazi Germany’s occupation of France & other countries in 1940, which served both to avoid a two-front war and to supply Germany with goods and workers, while its own industry was producing weapons for the “real” war in the East.
Difficult for EUrope to find an answer to this attack.
If some countries ‘resist’ while others cooperate, the EU might well break apart, resulting in infighting and economic/ military civil war (to the Neocons’ delight). Securing EUropean unity is key, rather than taking quick decisions & action alone (even if they’re right).

Posted by: smuks | Jan 11 2024 1:37 utc | 139

Milites | Jan 10 2024 23:03 utc | 118
No, it’s pure coincidence.
Was thinking about writing a longer reply, but it’s rather OT on the Ukraine thread.

Posted by: smuks | Jan 11 2024 1:56 utc | 140

@Patrick Constantine | Jan 10 2024 16:10 utc | 10
The West has been bombing from afar since forever, think WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Serbia, Libya, etc. But you had no problem with the West’s strategy. Now that Russia can do the same now you have a problem with that. Fuck you moron.

Posted by: gT | Jan 11 2024 2:10 utc | 141

smuks | Jan 11 2024 0:59 utc | 133
Various Ukraine figures in interviews. For a start the neghotiator in the ealy talks speaking in an interview about how much Russian was willing to cede of its original goals so long ad Ukraine was not part of Nato. I believe that identity was the lead negotiator nut may be wrong on that. The former presidential advisor has been speaking bluntly for some time but that is old news. A Ukraine ambassador also recently spoke about the peace negotiations. there are others.
The worm is starting to turn. Plan b? What for? Russia can annihilate Ukraine any time it chooses. No need for that. Russia has set in motion something that can run indefinitely. Ukraine social cohesiveness held together by Brit US narrative cannot hold out indefinably. Current Ukraine traitors willing to sacrifice the peasants for Galician/UK/US aspirations will end up strung from lamp posts or bridges. A month from now, a year from now, ten years from now (unlikely). no matter. It will happen.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 11 2024 2:20 utc | 142

@Naive 136
Milites @116 is totally correct. Mercenaries are bumped off on capture and swastika and anti Russian tattoos are quickly being removed in Ukrainian tattoo parlours, that latter is on video.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 11 2024 2:26 utc | 143

Some videos for today.
Russian ATGM strike destroys Western-built armored vehicle near the DPR’s Artemovsk:
https://rutube.ru/video/7e1e0dc387461547ef1b303767a830f9/
Russian drones continue striking enemy vehicles and positions:
https://rutube.ru/video/7f198c817d02adfce324e57474a379fe/
Russian mortar team strikes enemy position on the southern DPR front:
https://rutube.ru/video/4f53dfb003d14391b2fddc7d5d54180a/
Russian sniper team in action:
https://rutube.ru/video/b0867e59345f958696f29e13c8ee3c89/

Posted by: Nate | Jan 11 2024 2:26 utc | 144

bisfugged, I’m guessing Sudbury is where you live-I have mining claims around there-I’m not a big fan of the LCBO (why can’t I buy booze at the corner store?) but I am a fan of the reserves as I get cheap cigs for my uncle when I’m up.
A frustrated Leaf fan as well
Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 20:57 utc | 90

Been watching Letterkenny and its spinoff, Shoresy on Hulu. Some real characters on both shows and really funny scenes, although the lingo is so thick I turned on closed captioning on the TV. Shoresy is set in Sudbury, which according to the show has the best looking women anywhere. Back in 70’s I lived in Houston, got to know some guys from Hamilton. We hit the bars together, northern expats in Texas. For them, drinking was an Olympic sport, no way I could keep up, although I tried.

Posted by: Mike R | Jan 11 2024 2:53 utc | 145

mjh | Jan 10 2024 22:38 utc | 113
Glen Ford, sadly missed. A great loss to America and to the world. But Black Agnda Report is still there doing what he did.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/

Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 2:59 utc | 146

Honzo | Jan 10 2024 20:42 utc | 85
Remember Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, that is what he thought.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 3:06 utc | 147

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 129
Sorry I thought that I had picked up all the suggestions I received today. Apologies if I missed yours, Please resend me anything that I failed to incorporate.
My intent in creating the list was to make it easier for myself and anybody else who didn’t know what many of the acronyms used mean to have a quick look up.
At one time http://www.jugglerpress.com had summaries and adverts for the books I had written and published over the years. Now retired in my 90s, I kept this domain thinking that I would put up a wordpress site about duplicate bridge (the game) but I find I don’t have the energy or brain power now to do anything so complex. However, I didn’t feel to get rid of the only domain I had left from my working days. I was glad I had a public place where I could locate the list of abbreviations. Nothing sinister I assure you.

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 3:19 utc | 148

TG post from April 9 2022

Our source in the OP said that Great Britain promised to help Ukraine with military equipment and loans so that we could liberate Donbass and restore control over Crimea. Boris Johnson assured Zelensky that London will continue to impose sanctions and will achieve an embargo on energy resources from Russia.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/11553
Current post

Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson confirmed information that he influenced the decision of the Ukrainian authorities to abandon the peace agreement with Russia in the spring of 2022.
He told The Times newspaper.
Johnson said that after a meeting of representatives of the Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Istanbul in 2022, he held talks with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, during which he expressed his concern about the possibility of concluding any agreement between Moscow and Kiev.
According to Johnson, in that conversation he also emphasized that Great Britain is ready to help Ukraine “a thousand percent.”
We wrote that Johnson’s arrival was necessary to transform Ukraine’s position on peace negotiations.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/21144

Posted by: Down South | Jan 11 2024 6:22 utc | 149

Our source in the OP said that deputies from the Servant of the People faction are trying to send the mobilization bill for revision, as they understand the consequences for themselves and their careers.
On Bankova they are determined to push through the vote in the first reading, and the position of the people’s deputies does not bother Andriy Ermak, who demands not to sabotage Zelensky’s decision.
The Office of the President considers unacceptable the protest of the Servants, who discredit the Cabinet of Ministers bill and create doubts among political opponents about the ability of the Head of the OP to find votes for the mobilization bill.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/21145

The Servants of the People understand that the Office of the President will force them to vote for this bill without major modifications in the second reading, which is why they are trying to send it for revision. People’s deputies do not want to be extreme for an anti-people law, which can easily transform into the dictatorial law of Yanukovych.
As an influential source in the single-majority explained to the UP, judging by the correspondence of the “servants” in chats, the majority of faction deputies are in favor of returning this draft law for revision.
Direct speech: “The bill needs to be properly finalized, and not make point decisions. There are no votes for what we have now.”
Details: At the same time, the chairman of the Servant of the People faction, David Arakhamia, wrote on Telegram that all decisions on the consideration of bills will be made at a conciliation council, where the military command and the leadership of the Ministry of Defense are invited.
According to him, on Wednesday the “servants” held a meeting of the faction, at which they discussed the current situation and work plan for the coming days.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/21147

Posted by: Down South | Jan 11 2024 6:25 utc | 150

Re: Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 10 2024 19:55 utc | 78

reply to 70
I think that bill brings up Constitutional issues because the President is Commander in Chief. He might be able to strip resources away from NATO, rendering it irrelevant ( uh….more than it already is)
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Drilling-Is-Booming-in-Russia-Despite-Western-Sanctions.html
Another big defeat in the sanctions war. Despite hopes that Russia couldn’t maintain drilling, the opposite is true and they got business resources for almost nothing.

What do you mean, “NATO, rendering it irrelevant ( uh….more than it already is)”?
If NATO is so irrelevant, why hasn’t Russia just rolled right through Ukraine – it’s already 2 years into this war and no sign Russia is anywhere near even capturing the whole of Donbas!!
What are they waiting for? Why is the Ukrainian army so strong to resist the armed forces of one of the world’s superpowers so well for almost 2 years?
How has Ukraine even managed to do that? Do you have any idea 8man?

Posted by: Julian | Jan 11 2024 6:36 utc | 151

So many ??!?!?!!! in your post, Julian.
Are you feeling well?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Jan 11 2024 6:54 utc | 152

What are they waiting for? Why is the Ukrainian army so strong to resist the armed forces of one of the world’s superpowers so well for almost 2 years?
How has Ukraine even managed to do that? Do you have any idea 8man?
Posted by: Julian | Jan 11 2024 6:36 utc | 150
Ukraine still has a much larger number of forces. Russia just hasn’t sent in enough forces and support for such a country the size of Ukraine. Russia sent enough for a country of 4 million. Maybe.
Ukraine is also getting weapons, advisors, logistics and mercenaries from dozens of countries, while Russia only got some drone help from Iran and perhaps is getting some weapons from North Korea now. Most of the other countries are helping U.S. controlled Ukraine.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 11 2024 7:12 utc | 153

“If NATO is so irrelevant, why hasn’t Russia just rolled right through Ukraine – it’s already 2 years into this war and no sign Russia is anywhere near even capturing the whole of Donbas!!…” Julian@150
Bear Clausewitz in mind, this is ‘war’as an extension of politics. Not war, in fact, but a special military operation undertaken to achieve limited but highly significant political objectives.
Which are: the protection of the large Russian speaking population of the Ukraine, a demand that the most minimal rights, to speak their native language and enjoy their native culture should be guaranteed. That the Minsk accords, signed by Ukraine and co-signed by two NATO powers, should be honoured.
And secondly that Europe should recognise that the process of impinging more and more on Russia’s defences, moving missiles closer and closer to Moscow and other cities, whilst, at the same time, investing more and more energy and money into the subversion of Russian society, must be ended if not reversed.
There is a very good reason why Russia refuses to turn the SMO into a full scale war with NATO.
It wants every member state of NATO to be aware that if it goes to war, with a nuclear power of the first rate, it is doing so entirely of its own accord.
NATO has not been attacked, though it does seem to have been very aggressive in providing assistance to Ukrainian attacks on Russia. Nothing Russia does can be misintepreted as part of a plan to recover the lost territories of the USSR,or the Tsar’s Empire, or to reprise the March to Berlin, or to carry out the long promised advance to the channel.
Or anything more than to secure the Donbas from further attacks, offer people free plebiscites in border regions and demobilise Ukrainian Fascist militias because they represent a threat to (and a stench in the nostrils of) decent people everywhere.
Nothing pleases the fascists or the imperialists more than the opportunity to accuse the Russians of aggression. Thank God, Russia had more sense than to fall for a well prepared ambush.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 7:33 utc | 154

Re: Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 3:19 utc | 147

At one time http://www.jugglerpress.com had summaries and adverts for the books I had written and published over the years. Now retired in my 90s, I kept this domain thinking that I would put up a wordpress site about duplicate bridge (the game) but I find I don’t have the energy or brain power now to do anything so complex. However, I didn’t feel to get rid of the only domain I had left from my working days. I was glad I had a public place where I could locate the list of abbreviations. Nothing sinister I assure you.

You were born in the 1920s/30s? I am very impressed to see you posting on here – keep up the good work!
Perhaps you should arrange to have someone else given access to this domain – perhaps the proprietor of this site – B?

Posted by: Julian | Jan 11 2024 7:36 utc | 155

Russia just hasn’t sent in enough forces and support for such a country the size of Ukraine.
Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 11 2024 7:12 utc | 152
This is true. From the beginning Russia sent a force size comparable to what the US sent to Iraq, a country with half the population of Ukraine. You notice how much the American military struggled with the insurgency in Iraq, while Russia doesn’t have these same struggles.
Also Russia has not increased its force vis-à-vis Ukraine. It has only (mostly) replenished losses. There are reasons for this – not wanting to trigger escalation from Ukraine’s backers, not wanting to deal with insurgency in Ukrainian-speaking parts, not wanting to cause internal domestic strife or economic hardship by mobilizing fully, etc. And these are just some of the reasons.
But listening to Brave Sir Shadowbanned, and his lackeys like Julian and Micron – experts all in military strategy – you would think that Russia was losing horribly. The outcome is inevitable, and when it happens, and the war is over, these propogandists and their pay masters will blow away like leaves on the wind.

Posted by: James M. | Jan 11 2024 7:39 utc | 156

Re: Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 7:33 utc | 153

NATO has not been attacked, though it does seem to have been very aggressive in providing assistance to Ukrainian attacks on Russia. Nothing Russia does can be misintepreted as part of a plan to recover the lost territories of the USSR,or the Tsar’s Empire, or to reprise the March to Berlin, or to carry out the long promised advance to the channel.
Or anything more than to secure the Donbas from further attacks, offer people free plebiscites in border regions and demobilise Ukrainian Fascist militias because they represent a threat to (and a stench in the nostrils of) decent people everywhere.
Nothing pleases the fascists or the imperialists more than the opportunity to accuse the Russians of aggression. Thank God, Russia had more sense than to fall for a well prepared ambush.

I will tell you this. If Russia’s war aims are so limited as to only secure the Donbas from further attacks and offer people in border regions plebiscites – this is a lost war already.
Ukrainian Fascist militias can not be “demobilized” if Russia doesn’t occupy that territory – including Central Ukraine and parts of Western Ukraine – ie, a land-bridge to Transnistria AND Hungary.
If these territorial gains are not made this conflict will ultimately be regarded as victory by The West and a strategic defeat of Russia – which in 2014 controlled (in effect) 100% of Ukraine – and now controls less than 20%.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 11 2024 7:47 utc | 157

@ bevin | Jan 11 2024 7:33 utc | 153 with the nuance of the Ukraine SMO….thanks
I think the Russian success of the SMO is the precipitator for the genocide in Gaza we are watching. To me it is the escalation of what I consider to be our civilization war about how the world gets run going forward of the culmination of this culture changing event.
I would add that I think it is now going beyond the 100 year claim that Xi and/or Putin made about the changes coming. Global private finance has been dominant for our species for more than 100 years, eh? More like easily 4 centuries or all the way back to Sumarian/Roman times with debt jubilees like Michael Hudson talks about.
The Ukraine SMO will accomplish its objectives or society may go extinct which may be best for Cosmos karma anyway….barbarism is way ugly to me and I am sick of seeing my species exhibit such….extreme patriarchy is bad enough but the combination with barbarism says our species has not evolved in ways it claims.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 11 2024 7:51 utc | 158

Re: Posted by: James M. | Jan 11 2024 7:39 utc | 155

Also Russia has not increased its force vis-à-vis Ukraine. It has only (mostly) replenished losses. There are reasons for this – not wanting to trigger escalation from Ukraine’s backers, not wanting to deal with insurgency in Ukrainian-speaking parts, not wanting to cause internal domestic strife or economic hardship by mobilizing fully, etc. And these are just some of the reasons.
But listening to Brave Sir Shadowbanned, and his lackeys like Julian and Micron – experts all in military strategy – you would think that Russia was losing horribly. The outcome is inevitable, and when it happens, and the war is over, these propogandists and their pay masters will blow away like leaves on the wind.

“not wanting to trigger escalation from Ukraine’s backers,”
If this is true – this is signalling weakness to your foes. Usually the best way to deter enemies is to PROJECT STRENGTH. Projecting WEAKNESS tends to embolden and encourage your foes to continue to attack you and up the ante – which is exactly what we have seen!
“not wanting to deal with insurgency in Ukrainian-speaking parts”
Well – this is not hard – what Ukrainian-speaking parts of Ukraine does Russia actually occupy? NONE!!! Should be easy to not deal with any insurgency when you have such limited territorial gains over the last 18 months (virtually none, and in fact have gone backwards).
“not wanting to cause internal domestic strife or economic hardship by mobilizing fully, etc.”
Just projecting more weakness and inviting escalation from The West. Not saying what you say isn’t true, maybe it is, but if it is true – it is clearly exhibiting weakness.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 11 2024 7:53 utc | 159

Re: Military Abbreviations and Acronyms
Do you believe that most of our regular posters know the majority of these?
Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 0:06 utc | 122
No. Only the war porn crowd might know most.
I’m not one of those and knew only 20-30%.
Kids would know the text message ones of course and
are making new ones faster than you can collect, 🙂
“Now retired in my 90s…”
Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 3:19 utc | 147
Well then, a hat tip to you. Rock on!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 11 2024 7:59 utc | 160

I am wondering when the people of places like Odessa wake up and start taking out those who are grabbing people off the street. If a few of these bullies get killed, it would make their jobs far less desirable. Getting sent to Bakhmut is a heck of a lot worse than being sent to the Gulag.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

Posted by: Alfred (Hurghada) | Jan 11 2024 8:02 utc | 161

“If NATO is so irrelevant, why hasn’t Russia just rolled right through Ukraine – it’s already 2 years into this war and no sign Russia is anywhere near even capturing the whole of Donbas!!
What are they waiting for? Why is the Ukrainian army so strong to resist the armed forces of one of the world’s superpowers so well for almost 2 years?
How has Ukraine even managed to do that? ”
Russia is battle hardening its population, not only its army. It is the cat playing with the mouse. Putin realizes that the West has no qualms colonizing and splitting Russia to get at the raw materials. He knows the only thing that stands between USA and Black Rock taking over, is Russia fighting.
Putin is under no illusion. Keep the fighting going, and give as many as possible a chance to have a skin in the game.
The West is fighting an increasingly motivated, capable and experienced Russia. With a soft Western army, spoiled and incapable and a population not backing the war with heart and soul. Open revolt in Germany and France, Spain and other nations is a distinct possibility. A decadent West against a Russia in the corner.
My money is on Russia, any day!

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 8:15 utc | 162

Julian@156
This is a matter of opinion, which is to say political judgement.
I understand your position which is eminently reasonable. I too, find the restraint that Russia is exhibiting frustrating. But I think that they are right, they know what they are dealing with which is a polity (NATO) which is very much inclined to follow the lead of anti-communist fanstics.
Russia saw how quickly public opinion in the west fell into line behind the neo-fascist Stand by Ukraine slogans and hoisted the Ukrainian flag.
They saw too how quickly the Baltic states and Poland descended again into the russophobia that harks back to their alliances in Barbarossa days, and the way in which the Greens in Germany and elsewhere recollected their Boood and Soil (and anti Bolshevik) roots.
And they eschewed the opportunity to indulge themselves by responding to the provocations offered.
As to the extent of the gains that Russia will have- the key here is the principle of plebiscite which is likely to lead to the voluntary repatriation of large regions of New Russia to their old allegiances. together with the issues of plebsicites in the Carpathians and elsewhere, this is likelyto lead to the erosion of the current Ukraine to a rump.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 11 2024 8:21 utc | 163

I live in a country where Ukraininan is one of the national languages, and about a third of my neighbors are Ukrainian. I have NEVER, EVER met a man (Ukrainian or otherwise) here named Adolph. Never. Or any other variant such as “Adolphus” etc.
Also, I think we can be sure that some NYT editor added an “s” to that second call sign.

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Jan 11 2024 8:43 utc | 164

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67942020
“Two Russian missiles have struck a hotel in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, injuring 11 people, the Kharkiv governor says… Two S-300 missiles struck at about 22:30 (20:30 GMT), he said.”
S-300’s??
Either the BBC knowingly lies, or the idiot writing this article, Laurence Peter, is unaware 2 years into the war he is covering, that the S-300 is an air defense missile, operated by both Russia and Ukraine, yet Russia most certainly does not attack Ukraine with S-300 missiles.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 11 2024 8:54 utc | 165

@ Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 20:57 utc | 90
@ Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 10 2024 19:22 utc | 68
How very dare you imply that I am drinking by 4 pm!
I try not to start until 6 usually and since it’s drynuary I am waiting till at least 6.30 but mostly 7 pm.
Though that doesn’t mean that I’m not quite under the blood alcohol limit by the afternoon after!
IN VINO VERITAS you wombles of canuckia.
How’s the unearthing of ukropnazis going there or is it all about ‘Don’t mention the War’?
My suspicions go back a while and were reinforced by reports of IOF in the ukraine and others of banderas in the illegal apartheid entity – it’s a small world. Even if you boys think you are far from our Madding Crowd – you ain’t. You guys have been hiding and breeding Nazis since they were beaten back by the Red Army? Not innocent wombles.
Anyway The Hague court is starting. So laters.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 11 2024 9:05 utc | 166

Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 18:36 utc | 56
H.R.2670 – National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024 (Public Law No: 118-31, 22.12.2023)

The commander-in-chief (Trump) solely determines what to do when Article 5 is invoked. Nothing in this Act prevents him from doing nothing.

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Jan 11 2024 9:09 utc | 167

But listening to Brave Sir Shadowbanned, and his lackeys like Julian and Micron – experts all in military strategy – you would think that Russia was losing horribly. The outcome is inevitable, and when it happens, and the war is over, these propogandists and their pay masters will blow away like leaves on the wind.
Posted by: James M. | Jan 11 2024 7:39 utc | 155

How about we check what actual Russians think about the situation, shall we?
https://t.me/dva_majors/32653

Dear Comrade Rybar points out the dissonance between the constant appeals of official speakers to the Great Patriotic War and existing realities.
⭐️In particular, the issue of rotation/demobilization of those called up for partial mobilization is very acute. Our familiar officers from the front often ask what they have heard about this. Most people don’t have vacations; the situation doesn’t allow it. Wives again ask logical questions. Well, those at the top know this problem and are even trying to solve it. What month?
And since there is a constant appeal from respected speakers to the experience of the Second World War, we report. Now there are about half a million of our soldiers and officers at the front. 500 thousand.
During the Great Patriotic War, 336 thousand people took part in the Odessa offensive operation. In Kharkov – 210 thousand. In the liberation of Kiev – 671 thousand. And in the territory of Belarus in 1944, during the legendary “Bagration”, 1 million 670 thousand soldiers and officers took part.
So we absolutely do not understand how the respected speakers are going to solve the problems of the SVO in the future. Fighting for villages has been going on for months . But not only because the mathematics of war is broken and the wrong number of our personnel is involved. Questions (reasonable and polite) about planning and supply also arise regularly.
But what would have been done under Stalin , who is so often mentioned, for organizing, for example, the “regrouping” of 2022, the consequences of which are being reaped by Belgorod and not only to this day?
Don’t remember Stalin, citizens of the speakers. Not from your lips.
And Comrade Rybar is right. If someone says that “there are not enough cars at the front,” this does not mean that such sedition was invented by the CIA. Perhaps it’s just that those bastards who report to the Supreme Commander that the troops are 99.9 percent supplied make their calculations from the report cards. Well, how many thermal imagers do they have, in those report cards?
Personally, we believe that the people who were caught up in the war should speak to the people about the progress of the war. And not “he draws his judgments from forgotten newspapers from the times of the Ochakovskys and the conquest of the Crimea.” But it turns out that the SVO, on the one hand, is a “special operation” by our speakers, and on the other, an analogue of the Great Patriotic War.
Understand the terminology.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 9:20 utc | 168

S-300’s??
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 11 2024 8:54 utc | 164
They know nato/zeli uses S200 to shoot at ground targets since they have no other missiles in large numbers. They also use US anti-radar missiles. So bbc or cnn switched it, as always, and said Russia used s300 because they ran out of missiles since the second month of the smo. It’s retarded propaganda for their retarded people, what did you expect? “It’s science!”

Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 10:35 utc | 169

The author of the article ponders why the Ukrainians aren’t using more smoke artillery rounds to screen operations. They aren’t stupid, so I would suggest that they simply don’t have much of it available. You can’t use what you don’t have.
And given the Russian dominance in air and artillery, the Ukrainian artillery probably spends a good amount of the day displacing to avoid getting smashed.

Posted by: Mr. Ed | Jan 11 2024 10:50 utc | 170

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 9:20 utc | 167
Did you say something? No? I didn’t think so. Nothing useful comes out of your posts, O Brave Sir Shadowbanned who read Thucydides in the original Greek at age 2, and Clausewitz in German at age two and a half, and “mastered” the terminology by age 3.

Posted by: James M. | Jan 11 2024 11:06 utc | 171

Attrition warfare is mathematical. The Bazaar of War substack did an excellent article on it that I linked previously.
The horrendous losses Ukraine is suffering are the sort of thing that can be absorbed until they can’t. Attrition warfare looks like nothing is happening for a long time because both sides suffer losses; however, one side can’t sustain the rate of loss. So each loss is more impactful over the long run. There’s a point when the two casualty lines diverge with one going exponential in terms of impact on the conflict. That is, the losses are sustainable until they simply aren’t.
Russia is maximizing this math by limiting its own casualties to the extent it can while concentrating on maximizing Ukrainian losses. All war participants want this of course, but Russia is taking it to an extreme by choosing to go slow to avoid casualties even when going fast might win the war. Only time will tell if Russia is making the right decision, but there’s no question that it is making a rational one.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 11 2024 11:27 utc | 172

Also Russia has not increased its force vis-à-vis Ukraine. It has only (mostly) replenished losses. There are reasons for this – not wanting to trigger escalation from Ukraine’s backers, not wanting to deal with insurgency in Ukrainian-speaking parts, not wanting to cause internal domestic strife or economic hardship by mobilizing fully, etc. And these are just some of the reasons.
Posted by: James M. | Jan 11 2024 7:39 utc | 155
Has not increased in the operational theater.
As I mentioned from October onwards:
1. RF had enough in the new armies to muster the engagement (with rotation) of 600.000 men
2. RF had a budget for 80.0000 KIA
3. Regardless, the test tube offensive had to prove it was doable (1 RF to 5 or 6 AUK KIA) for it to be worthwhile
the ones
I’m assuming it wasn’t and back to strategic attrition (although with new tactics)
I would assume that if the ukranian population is indeed 25.000.000 and the casualties close to 1.2 m they should reach terminal WWI ratios in a couple of months and fold in May. If the numbers are the ones the RF MOD mentioned then they should be able to hold for a couple of years more (as long as they have the money and weapons)

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 11 2024 11:38 utc | 173

“The Ukraine nazis on the other hand did, like ISIS, post their torture and killing of prisoners to social media.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2024 21:28 utc | 100

Same trainer from the US.
Seems to be a staple activity.
And in general a good indicator of who is the “Leader from Behind”

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 11 2024 11:39 utc | 174

Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 11 2024 0:06 utc | 122
You missed my suggestions. But this is starting to seem a little bit like an IP harvesting operation. To what end, I have no idea. No other content on your WordPress site is a little concerning, though.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 0:19 utc | 129
You are paranoid on this non issue-go back to pontificating.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 11:39 utc | 175

bisfugged, I’m guessing Sudbury is where you live-I have mining claims around there-I’m not a big fan of the LCBO (why can’t I buy booze at the corner store?) but I am a fan of the reserves as I get cheap cigs for my uncle when I’m up.
A frustrated Leaf fan as well
Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 20:57 utc | 90
Been watching Letterkenny and its spinoff, Shoresy on Hulu. Some real characters on both shows and really funny scenes, although the lingo is so thick I turned on closed captioning on the TV. Shoresy is set in Sudbury, which according to the show has the best looking women anywhere. Back in 70’s I lived in Houston, got to know some guys from Hamilton. We hit the bars together, northern expats in Texas. For them, drinking was an Olympic sport, no way I could keep up, although I tried.
Posted by: Mike R | Jan 11 2024 2:53 utc | 144
I have the same problem watching the British show based in Manchester, “Shameless”, which I loved yet I couldn’t follow without the closed captioning.
That’s a funny show and they are many characters in Sudbury-but ho they are not many beautiful women in Sudbury; if they are hot they wander 500 klicks South to Toronto.
I live about 25 clicks east of Hamilton. Yes, you Yanks can never keep up to our drinking. However, on business in China years ago I was ashamed I couldn’t keep up to the Chinese drinking, though I violently tried to…

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 11:50 utc | 176

@ Posted by: canuck | Jan 10 2024 20:57 utc | 90
@ Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 10 2024 19:22 utc | 68
How very dare you imply that I am drinking by 4 pm!
I try not to start until 6 usually and since it’s drynuary I am waiting till at least 6.30 but mostly 7 pm.
Though that doesn’t mean that I’m not quite under the blood alcohol limit by the afternoon after!
IN VINO VERITAS you wombles of canuckia.
How’s the unearthing of ukropnazis going there or is it all about ‘Don’t mention the War’?
My suspicions go back a while and were reinforced by reports of IOF in the ukraine and others of banderas in the illegal apartheid entity – it’s a small world. Even if you boys think you are far from our Madding Crowd – you ain’t. You guys have been hiding and breeding Nazis since they were beaten back by the Red Army? Not innocent wombles.
Anyway The Hague court is starting. So laters.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 11 2024 9:05 utc | 165
Extensive drinking is a sensible reaction to today’s world.
There are more Ukrainians in Canada than any other country other than Ukraine and Russia. We have had a Nazi problem for years-Ukrainians flocked to the West of Canada historically as the land in Alberta Saskatchewan is simliar to that of the Ukraine. That is where our depusty Prime Minister, and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland is from Alberta and she’s our official ‘top Nazi’ now.
If I mention SMO no one cares but occasionally, like my daughter -in -law, they bite. When I talked about it with my son who understands the SMO she pipes up, “Putin is evil”. She is a high school teacher, properly educated so I attempted to ‘educate’ her. I asked her if she knew about Minsk 1 or two, no of course not. Did she realize how the Maiden coup was executed in 2014-she didn’t really know anything about it but she was ‘positive’ it was done ‘democratically”. UGGGHHHH…
I was about to go all in on her but I hesitated; I do like to see my 7 month old grandson on a regular basis so I just nodded. Unfortunately, her ignorance is probably shared with 80% of Canadians, probably 95% of white Canadians.
A pity

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 12:14 utc | 177

Gonzalo Lira Sr., ‘Free my son’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dv5jfarY4Q

Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 11 2024 12:40 utc | 178

Contrary to the Hollywood image, evidence pops up on occasion that the CIA are a sort of ‘gang that couldn’t shoot straight’. Like this:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240111/us-working-on-creating-fifth-column-in-russia-intel-chief-warns-1116110933.html
Yeah, they need to reach out and nab anyone who studies Russian to overthrow Putin. I’m sure the Kremlin won’t see that coming. A surprise attack, ha ha.
Are they idiots? After the fall of the Soviet Union, there were rumors that embassies had “phone books” listing who all the CIA people were, for handy reference.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 11 2024 12:58 utc | 179

Posted by: Pierrot | Jan 10 2024 18:20 utc | 51
They can hold the line as long as Russia doesnt attack it.
This lasted from 2015 to 2022 last time.
Russia seems not interested in winning the war (skirmishes actually) any more than the Waste.
What they all want is the war to never end.
Same in “West Asia”.
Profiteering is king.
Politically speaking they barely talk about the “wars” except “effort must go on”…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 11 2024 12:59 utc | 180

Posted by: Lex | Jan 11 2024 11:27 utc | 171
Thanks! It is so easy to understand that those pretending not to understand are ukronazi or banderist or western pro-nazi propagandists and liers It is that simple.
We know who they are. The only question is: are they paid or do they do it because of their hate of Russia?

Posted by: Naive | Jan 11 2024 13:05 utc | 181

It’s called 404 for a reason.
Obviously, Zelenskyy & Co. don’t remember what happened to Manuel Noriega of Panama, or Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Like anyone could EVER trust an Anglo. LOL

Posted by: OldFart | Jan 11 2024 13:05 utc | 182

@shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 9:20 utc | 167
dva_majors has dumb logic. I can’t find reasons for a large ground war with 1m soldiers. So they start with the wrong idea and continue to comment on it but it’s only in their heads. They jump from the 5 soldiers of the smo to 1m. The ukro clowns should be left in their own destruction, with more or less control and/or occasional bombing raid. Let them enjoy the results and pay for them.
What eventually medieval Gerasimov will do, or will be ordered to do, is to buffer all areas, +200km. It’s clear long range missiles will arrive with f16s or even before, waiting for it is useless. Putin talked exactly about buffers a year ago. Or was it Lavrov? Anyway, once war is moved inside Ukr, for example in Kiev where there was an uninterrupted party since Maidan and no smo yet, the real party can start.

Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 13:24 utc | 183

Russian weakness on display:
“ANKARA, January 11. /TASS/. The defense ministries of Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria have signed a memorandum to create an anti-mine naval group in the Black Sea, the Turkish Defense Ministry said on X (formerly Twitter).
“Military operations [in Ukraine] have negatively affected the security situation in the Black Sea, creating a mine threat. Last summer, the three countries decided to take protective measures and establish a joint team. The decision was made and now you can see that it has been signed. A committee will be established that will make decisions on participation in [multilateral anti-mine] work by majority vote,” Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Guler said at the signing ceremony.”
This is what Russia deserves for playing footsie for years with Erdgoan instead of hammerfist. “Majority vote” of the 3… this is laughable and further puts Black Sea defense at risk. Bravo Turkey, you found a work-around UK “mining” vessel via Bulgaria and Romania.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 13:28 utc | 184

What eventually medieval Gerasimov will do, or will be ordered to do, is to buffer all areas, +200km. It’s clear long range missiles will arrive with f16s or even before, waiting for it is useless. Putin talked exactly about buffers a year ago. Or was it Lavrov? Anyway, once war is moved inside Ukr, for example in Kiev where there was an uninterrupted party since Maidan and no smo yet, the real party can start.
Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 13:24 utc | 182

Well, we have more threats today from Medvedev:
https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/434

Here, some thick-headed warriors from Banderostan agreed to the point that the best method of fighting Russia is to destroy our launchers throughout Russia with long-range missiles transferred from the West.
What does it mean? There is only one thing – they risk running into the action of clause 19 of the Fundamentals of Russian State Policy in the field of nuclear deterrence: “d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is at risk.” This is not a right to self-defense, but a direct and obvious basis for our use of nuclear weapons against such a state .
All the heirs of Hitler, Mussolini, Pétain and others in today’s Europe, which supports the Nazis in Kyiv, should remember this.

I will start believing when I see actual mushroom clouds in Poland and Romania.
But it should never have gotten to that point.
I am tired of repeating it, but where the cargo cultists around here see in Putin an omniscient omnibenevolent demigod, the more sober observers see indecisive action bringing the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
Ukraine had to be finished quickly and completely, so that the NATO-Russia line of contact is moved to the Polish border and further escalation is prevented. By going in unprepared and then allowing all red lines to be trampled, the Kremlin has ensured that we will get to the point where it is either nuclear strikes on NATO or Russian surrender.
P.S. +/-200km won’t do. They’ll be given much longer ranged missiles than that. It’s Lvov, Chernovograd, Drogobych, Uzhgorod and Mukachevo or bust…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 185

https://unherd.com/thepost/emmanuel-todd-vaporisation-of-protestantism-is-bringing-down-the-west/
The French historian claims that religion has lost all influence
Western decline can be attributed to the “vaporisation” of Protestantism, according to the leading French historian and public intellectual Emmanuel Todd. Speaking to French centre-right magazine Le Point last week, Todd highlighted the “values of work and social discipline” inherent to the Christian branch, which he appraised as central to the rise of the “Anglo-American world”.
Todd, whose 1976 book The Final Fall predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union and who last year notably claimed that a third world war has already begun, was promoting his new book, titled La Défaite de l’Occident (The Defeat of the West), which is published in France today. He told Le Point that “the vaporisation of Protestantism in the United States, in England and throughout the Protestant world has caused the disappearance of what constituted the strength and specificity of the West.”
The historian added that we have passed the “active stage” and the “zombie stage”, and are now approaching “stage zero”, whereby religious belief loses all influence within the Western world. He cited the passage of laws relating to same-sex marriage as the “ultimate indicator” of the transition from the “zombie” to “zero” stage.
Within this theory, the “zombie stage” incorporates much of the US rise to prominence during the first half of the 20th century — what Todd calls “Great America, from [Theodore] Roosevelt to Eisenhower”. This was “an America that retained all the positive values ​​of Protestantism, its educational effectiveness, its relationship to work, its capacity for integrating the individual into the community”. Ultimately, the historian suggested, “the Protestant matrix has disappeared at the height of American power”, not least because of the Catholic faith of incumbent President Joe Biden.
In Todd’s view, this religious and cultural decline is paired with Anglo-American economic defeat. “Globalisation has made not the West in general but specifically the United States unable to produce the weapons necessary for Ukraine,” he told the magazine. “The Americans sent the Ukrainians into disaster during the summer offensive with insufficient equipment.”
Todd has previously been described as an “anti-American” thinker, particularly following the publication of his 2001 book After the Empire, which focused on the United States’ waning status as a global superpower. When challenged on this by Le Point, he argued that America “is falling into nihilism and the deification of nothing”. He defined this nihilism as “the desire for destruction, but also of the negation of reality. There are no longer any traces of religion, but the human being is still there.” This mindset has been the catalyst, in Todd’s opinion, for American escalation of foreign wars, with the Gaza conflict being the most recent example.
Criticised in the Le Point interview for an alleged sympathy towards Moscow’s present leadership, including referring to Russia’s “authoritarian democracy”, Todd reiterated that he does not think that Putin has won total victory in Ukraine, but found parallels between the country’s cultural history and Western Protestantism. “What is common to Protestantism and Communism is the obsession with education,” he said. “Communism established in Eastern Europe developed new middle classes. And it was these middle classes who then decreed that they were liberal democracy in action and that the Russians were monsters.”
Todd sees another declining world power as a precursor to America’s fall. “England is even less powerful than France. The English don’t really have nuclear weapons. They are not even capable of making themselves hated in Africa, like us,” he told the magazine. “The English ruling classes were a model for the American ruling classes. The current warmongering madness of the English has certainly had a very bad influence on the Americans.”

Posted by: Massie | Jan 11 2024 13:52 utc | 186

And so the Russians can also calculate how long Ukraine can hold out if they continue to suffer losses of this magnitude. Unfortunately, politicians in the West can’t do that, because they now have computers and artificial intelligence – but unfortunately no calculators anymore.

You could say pencils instead of calculators. Russian can do math without electronics.

Posted by: Chicago Bob | Jan 11 2024 14:08 utc | 187

It would be interesting to hear from the German posters about this growing ‘rebellion’ against the WEF’s approved future. I’ve often posted that those who think the West will go quietly into the globalist noose are mistaken and that popular revolutions, driven by more right-leaning citizens, not the left, will be a serious impediment but is this a bona-fide example?
Posted by: Milites | Jan 10 2024 23:03 utc | 118

Capitalism needs growth. And that is difficult in societies that are shrinking and ageing. The World Economic Forum (WEF) was in the paper “The Business Case for Migration” quite unequivocal back in 2013:

“The private sector has interests in accessing talent from around the world and developing new markets. Governments, in the interest of business competitiveness and economic growth, need
to change the tone of the debate and make the case for migration. Civil society and the international community, as guardians of decent work and migrants’ rights, must see themselves as partners of the private sector. Bringing together these stakeholders, along with migrants themselves, for an honest and objective debate is imperative to establish effective migration policy.“
https://www3.weforum.org/docs/GAC/2013/WEF_GAC_Migration_BusinessCase_Report_2013.pdf

They need Migration for their Business. The Right Wing Governments in Germany do what they always did, they bring in Migrants (Adenauer the Turks, Kohl the German Russians, Merkel the Syrians, Scholz the Ukrainians, Syrians, Iraqis and Afghanis).
And not only in Germany:

Neoliberal and Libertarian US Think Tanks about Migration:
Adam Smith Institute
Low tax good, anti-migration bad.
American Enterprise Institute
Immigration reduces the cost of labor-intensive goods and services.
Brookings Institution
Today, more than ever, immigration can be a solution to the biggest challenges facing the American economy.
Cato Institute (Koch Brothers)
Congress should look to America’s past for inspiration to expand and deregulate legal immigration.
Ford Foundation
In 1983, the Ford Foundation initiated a greatly expanded immigration program, becoming the dominant funder in the field.
Hoover Institution
Immigration Will Make America More Unequal, And That’s A Good Thing
Open Society Foundation (Soros)
People from all countries should be allowed to move across borders freely for a range of purposes, such as making asylum claims, looking for work, pursuing education, reuniting with family members, starting on a path to citizenship, or escaping the effects of failed economic policies, environmental degradation, political instability, conflict, or other push factors at home.
The Aspen Institute
I believe that, in a globalized world, it is natural and desirable for all resources to flow freely. This includes capital, goods, technology, and people. Genuine liberal minds do not question this principle.

Another strategy to secure or increase profits is the destruction of small business in favor of big business e.g. through a policy that destroys small restaurants to make room for large restaurant chains which are more profitable for Big Money (Hedge Fonds, Blackrock etc.).
The far Right never understands the Tendency of the rate of profit to fall they don’t even know how capitalism works.
Prominent AfD politicians are members of the neoliberal Mont Pèlerin Society (Hayek, close to Chicago School). Economically they are close to the WEF but their Racism doesn’t fit with the ongoing migration.
When they come to power there may be some small changes from the multinational big money to the national big money, but that doesn’t change anything for the people.
The traditional anti Mass-Migration Left
https://monthlyreview.org/2017/02/01/marx-on-immigration/
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/
is flipped over to the neoliberal camp.
We will see what Wagenknecht and her new Party will do. It seems she is the only one who understands how capitalism works. I think with her in the game the far right in Germany will come down to 10-15%.
And apart from Left or Right, many problems in Germany result from an unmanageable complexity of national and EU laws that hardly any politician can fully understand anymore.
By the way, there is very little room for maneuver for German politicians. Pipelines are blown up and nothing happens. The German establishment’s interpretation is that it was the Ukrainians. In other times that would be a reason for war, but today we are supplying them with all kinds of weapons. I think Scholz is blackmailed by the US with CumEx, but who knows.

Posted by: schkid | Jan 11 2024 14:11 utc | 188

@ shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
No one cares about Russia’s red lines, that is their own failure, no one else to blame. Medvedev the twitter warrior sets red lines only to make Russia look bad. He basically tells nato what to hit next. He talked about Crimea bridge, big no no “God forbid”, and a few days later it was burning then Medvedev disappeared from twitter a few days. I can’t decide who he works for and now that he has spoken again, I’m waiting for exactly that to happen.

Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 14:12 utc | 189

reply to 183
I think your interpretation of this is extreme. Turkey wants NATO/UK ships out of the Black Sea but the problem of mines still remains. If they solve it themselves and keep the warmongers out, it’s a positive for Russia. And Russia has avoided US arrogance of trying to dominate and threaten everybody to get what they want.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 11 2024 14:16 utc | 190

“…said an intelligence commander of the 117th Brigade who uses the call sign Banderas, after the actor.”
NYT gotta be trolling Ukraine at this point.

Posted by: Frank McGar | Jan 11 2024 14:25 utc | 191

@ shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
No one cares about Russia’s red lines, that is their own failure, no one else to blame. Medvedev the twitter warrior sets red lines only to make Russia look bad. He basically tells nato what to hit next. He talked about Crimea bridge, big no no “God forbid”, and a few days later it was burning then Medvedev disappeared from twitter a few days. I can’t decide who he works for and now that he has spoken again, I’m waiting for exactly that to happen.
Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 14:12 utc | 188

Unfortunately, you are likely correct.
Given that Czech arms factories are not already piles of smoking rubble, after the New Year massacre, then the Czech laughing about in Russia’s face, then firing again, what else can we expect…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 14:29 utc | 192

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
P.S. +/-200km won’t do. They’ll be given much longer ranged missiles than that. It’s Lvov, Chernovograd, Drogobych, Uzhgorod and Mukachevo or bust…

Re the missile argument, which boils down to a 2 minute versus 5 minute response time argument, is it not the case that submarines can enter and leave the Black Sea at will or is that way now shut? Similarly, the Baltic Sea is international waters, no?, in which case they can get a stone’s throw away from St. Petersburg and the same distance as Kiev from Moscow using those platforms. Seems to me if the missile argument is serious then RF needs to take those Baltics back and push their border in Ukraine as close to Poland as possible. Putin basically offered Western Ukraine to the Poles, Romanians and so on a couple of weeks ago so perhaps is planning to annex most of Ukraine except for those Western zones which historically were part of other nations. But again, if the missile argument is serious, then they should take the Baltics back to ensure no more NATO encroachment so very close to their Western populations.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 11 2024 14:33 utc | 193

Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 14:12 utc | 188
@ shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
No one cares about Russia’s red lines, that is their own failure, no one else to blame. Medvedev the twitter warrior sets red lines only to make Russia look bad. He basically tells nato what to hit next. He talked about Crimea bridge, big no no “God forbid”, and a few days later it was burning then Medvedev disappeared from twitter a few days. I can’t decide who he works for and now that he has spoken again, I’m waiting for exactly that to happen.

I read an article a couple of months back featuring a list of Russian politicians and leaders ranked by popularity and Medvedev was a very long way down the list even below most opposition figures. I suspect his telegrams are mainly for foreigners in the near-Russia orbit. And perhaps he is trying to impress upon people that if Putin is replaced then RF will become much more hard line so they should be careful what they wish for.
His announcements sound very serious and terse but also somewhat playful trolling.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 11 2024 14:40 utc | 194

responding to various comments
The Vietnam wae was over by 1968 and every reasonable person knew it. The Paris Accords were negotiated in 1968. Not applied until 1975 and then the US violated every provision with impunity. The foreign policy establishment in Washington has never admitted US lost it’s war in Vietnam. Vietnam was punished mercilessly for over 20 years after the war ended.
RF seems to be waiting for US to come to it’s senses. That is not going to happen. Some time after Moldova joins RF and the Suwalki Gap is closed US might concede. Not before then.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 11 2024 14:42 utc | 195

I am tired of repeating it, but where the cargo cultists around here see in Putin an omniscient omnibenevolent demigod, the more sober observers see indecisive action bringing the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.
Ukraine had to be finished quickly and completely, so that the NATO-Russia line of contact is moved to the Polish border and further escalation is prevented. By going in unprepared and then allowing all red lines to be trampled, the Kremlin has ensured that we will get to the point where it is either nuclear strikes on NATO or Russian surrender.
P.S. +/-200km won’t do. They’ll be given much longer ranged missiles than that. It’s Lvov, Chernovograd, Drogobych, Uzhgorod and Mukachevo or bust…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
With all due respect, shadow, you are missing the big picture.
You believe that the SMO is Russian strategy; it is not, it is but a tactic in a long, long yellow brick road for the ROW to throw off the Empire’s yoke.
So Putin/Russia go slow as time is on their side. Retreating from Kherson and Kharkov region only excited the West’s greed and they doubled down on the Uke offensive: how did that work out for them?
Are you old enough to remember the “Rumble in the Jungle” where Ali let George Foreman bang on his torso for 7 rounds until George, the bigger, stronger, younger opponent ran out of juice?
How did that work for George?
Russia being patient achieves five goals:
1. Limits Russian casualties-check that box
2. Destroys Western military materiel and kills conscripts-check that box
3. Brings down the West’s economy-US still standing but Germany, Italy and UK are going down-Canada is not far behind.
4. The longer war and its privations brings tensions between the Western allies as the public turns nasty and becomes anti-war-check that box.
5. Russia instead of massive bombing everything that moves like the US does , Russia is going slow as they want to keep the confidence of the ROW which they desperately need with all the sanctions against the country-checked box
6. Russia, China et al are all cognizant of the Empire running out of credit, materiel (ie. see China stopping exports of rare earths to the Hegemon), and political capital; the longer the West has to keep supplying Ukraine, Israel with armaments from their own stockpiles the closer one comes to the Empire’s demise.-box not yet checked
In my opinion you are obsessing about individual trees, the SMO, in the forest, whereas I, and many others on this thread, see the entire forest.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 14:55 utc | 196

@ shаdοwbanned | Jan 11 2024 13:50 utc | 184
“No one cares about Russia’s red lines, that is their own failure, no one else to blame. Medvedev the twitter warrior sets red lines only to make Russia look bad. He basically tells nato what to hit next. He talked about Crimea bridge, big no no “God forbid”, and a few days later it was burning then Medvedev disappeared from twitter a few days. I can’t decide who he works for and now that he has spoken again, I’m waiting for exactly that to happen.”
Posted by: rk | Jan 11 2024 14:12 utc | 188
Medvedev is basically the Russian equivalent to Lindsey Graham-lot of barking, no bite.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 14:57 utc | 197

“The Vietnam was over by 1968 and every reasonable person knew it. The Paris Accords were negotiated in 1968. Not applied until 1975 and then the US violated every provision with impunity. The foreign policy establishment in Washington has never admitted US lost it’s war in Vietnam. Vietnam was punished mercilessly for over 20 years after the war ended.
RF seems to be waiting for US to come to it’s senses. That is not going to happen. Some time after Moldova joins RF and the Suwalki Gap is closed US might concede. Not before then.”
Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 11 2024 14:42 utc | 195
I agree with you somewhat , however, the final nail in the coffin was Congress defying Gerald Ford whom asked for more money for the South Vietnamese struggle:
“In 1975, Congress refused President Gerald Ford’s last-minute request to increase aid to South Vietnam by $300 million…”(1)
Such that I believe the Congress will eventually stop financing the SMO sooner than later
1.https://prospect.org/features/congress-got-us-vietnam/

Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 15:07 utc | 198

the Ukrainians have suffered higher losses, but they haven’t been fatal, there still seems to be plenty of men in the AFU, and the line is still holding despite minor Russian advances here and there. the most impressive Russian operations in the war remain withdrawals from Kharkov and Kherson, and even the most destructive shelling of Donetsk and Belgorod can induce the Russians to actually do something apart from missile barrages, the effectiveness of which is dubious to say the least. Ukraine is large country and Russians have a limited fleet of strategic bombers and ships in the Black Sea Fleet. it doesn’t look like this war will end anytime soon

Posted by: abel | Jan 11 2024 15:18 utc | 199

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Qoy2dd7qg
This move will radically change the whole world. When it happens, it will tell us just how dangerous US leadership actually is. While we can talk about a nebulous Deep State, this move will expose a horror that a tiny group of warmonger fanatics direct the US – and not bankers or groups such as the CFR or other groups long associated with power. I tend to think, more than any other move, it will effectively end US power. $300 billion is a lot of money but it may be cheap compared to the task of ending US hegemony. A financial set of dominos set falling, one after the other.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 11 2024 15:30 utc | 200