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January 31, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-035
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of January 31, 2024) Posted by: rumod report | Jan 31 2024 16:13 utc | 1 Question: Did Zelensky consult with the US or NATO before his move to fire Zaluzhny yesterday? Posted by: Noah Nehm | Jan 31 2024 16:18 utc | 2 Posted by: Noah Nehm | Jan 31 2024 16:18 utc | 2 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2024 16:35 utc | 3 Nuland is the annoyed owner showing up telling management their public squabbling is causing the stock price to tank and that they are all around underperforming, start showing positive results or heads will roll. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2024 16:44 utc | 4 If only Ukraine Flakes cereal (now with NATO marshmallows!) gave dry, plausible reports like rumod report reprinted from the Russian Ministry of Defense above at post 1, then I would have been more inclined to think of it as part of a complete breakfast. As it is I suspect Ukraine is all over-priced, frosted-covered, sugarbombs that’s gonna rot out teeth and empty wallets. EU needs more parental guidance or it is going to end up toothless and broken. Posted by: titmouse | Jan 31 2024 16:52 utc | 5 Sputnik News:
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2024 16:55 utc | 6 Nuland was also on the record stating that there will be no withdrawal from syria either, despite rumors Biden wants to run away from there too. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 31 2024 17:01 utc | 7 Vicious Vicky Nuland/Nudelman…..visit Kyiv…will Dr.Kinzhal visit her …as did (?)honorable lloyd austin ????? The prisoner exchange was completed successfully with 195 soldiers from each side. Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 31 2024 17:07 utc | 9 Posted by: titmouse @ 5 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2024 17:07 utc | 10 “Nuland is the annoyed owner showing up telling management their public squabbling is causing the stock price to tank and that they are all around underperforming, start showing positive results or heads will roll.” https://t.me/Slavyangrad/87752 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 31 2024 17:20 utc | 12 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2024 16:44 utc | 4 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 31 2024 17:26 utc | 13 Vicky Nuland visits Kiev. Posted by: Pierrot | Jan 31 2024 17:32 utc | 14 JUST SEEN – UKRAINE will today receive its first big batch of longer-range missiles that promise to blast Putin targets twice as deep inside Russia. Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Jan 31 2024 17:37 utc | 15 U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland arrives in Kyiv on a visit Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 31 2024 18:06 utc | 16
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21448 Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2024 18:08 utc | 18 @canuck Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 31 2024 18:09 utc | 19 And of cource- if somebody will protest the mobilization- Aidar will take care of it: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 31 2024 18:14 utc | 20 @ Geraint ap Iorwerth | Jan 31 2024 17:37 utc | 15 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 31 2024 18:14 utc | 21
Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 31 2024 18:17 utc | 22 It could be problematic for the AFU to give up all offensive operations while occupying their current positions, imo anyway. That would allow the Russian Federation forces a lot more latitude to maneuver, and I’d expect them to use that to fight for more of the high ground, better position their artillery, and better position themself for laying siege to Ukrainian positions. Russia would be able to send out more patrols, and it could even begin surveying Ukraine’s mine fields. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 31 2024 18:18 utc | 23
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21454
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21445 Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2024 18:22 utc | 24
Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2024 18:24 utc | 25 The prisoner exchange was completed successfully with 195 soldiers from each side. Posted by: Ed | Jan 31 2024 18:29 utc | 26 The whale imagery is not much of a stretch. Posted by: Ed | Jan 31 2024 18:32 utc | 27 Mmm, what sort of cookies will Nuland bring to Ukraine this time?! I hope they smell of pumpkin spice! Do you think she giggles like a poked Pillsbury Doughboy when people die from her idiotic, murderous advice? Must sound like a methed out terrier with a chew toy at the State Dept. Posted by: titmouse | Jan 31 2024 18:34 utc | 28 As for why UAF soldiers would wish to return – no doubt many have families in Ukraine they wish to return to. Posted by: MAKK | Jan 31 2024 18:40 utc | 29 Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 31 2024 18:17 utc | 22 Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 31 2024 18:55 utc | 30 Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2024 18:22 utc | 24 Posted by: Martina | Jan 31 2024 18:56 utc | 31 Nuland is the annoyed owner showing up telling management their public squabbling is causing the stock price to tank and that they are all around underperforming, start showing positive results or heads will roll. Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 31 2024 19:03 utc | 32 #28 (titmouse): > Mmm, what sort of cookies will Nuland bring to Ukraine this time?! I hope they smell of pumpkin spice! Do you think she giggles like a poked Pillsbury Doughboy when people die from her idiotic, murderous advice? Posted by: Noah Nehm | Jan 31 2024 19:05 utc | 33 Do you mean minus the 65 Ukie POW’s that were shot down by Ukraine? Please clarify and provide sources. Posted by: rk | Jan 31 2024 19:11 utc | 34 That means these people cannot be sent to the front for quite some time. Posted by: Angelo | Jan 31 2024 19:12 utc | 35 The whale imagery is not much of a stretch. Posted by: jpc | Jan 31 2024 19:13 utc | 36 Nuland was also on the record stating that there will be no withdrawal from syria either, despite rumors Biden wants to run away from there too. Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 31 2024 19:16 utc | 37 Regarding the recent shoot down of the Prisoner plane, there is some chatter on the usual blogs that Putin has chastised a very senior military officer for allowing the Ukrainians to place a Patriot missile system just 5 miles from the Russian border. Posted by: Questioneer | Jan 31 2024 19:16 utc | 38 This is the second time (known about) that Ukraine has placed a Patriot system on a train and surprised / ambushed Russian aviation. Posted by: jpc | Jan 31 2024 19:27 utc | 39 Many people are asking not only how this massive intelligence failure occured, but why the heck trains are freely moving around at this point in the war. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 31 2024 19:48 utc | 40 @ Satepestage | Jan 31 2024 19:48 utc | 40 Posted by: too scents | Jan 31 2024 20:04 utc | 41 Look at the very top of the US government now in power in DC and we see Ukrainian family ex pats in positions of high power continuing to visit Kieve and push for more aid for the Ukrainian fascist government: Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jan 31 2024 20:08 utc | 42 Ukraine to Australia: ‘We don’t want your flying trash’ Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2024 20:14 utc | 43 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2024 20:14 utc | 43 Posted by: NoName | Jan 31 2024 20:43 utc | 44 UST SEEN – UKRAINE will today receive its first big batch of longer-range missiles that promise to blast Putin targets twice as deep inside Russia. Posted by: kupkee | Jan 31 2024 20:44 utc | 45
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/87809 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2024 20:48 utc | 46 Now I no longer believe in the goodness of Putin and the Russian army, Posted by: A.cagliostro | Jan 31 2024 20:52 utc | 47 Video of Victoria Nuland in Kiev
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/100176 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2024 21:03 utc | 48
Ukraine’s methods remind me of the old joke “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” Except that in Ukraine, they believe this will actually work. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 31 2024 21:07 utc | 49
Azov members are being prosecuted, slowly but steadily. However, AFU appears to prioritize to exchange POW for their best troops, giving little thought to poor territorial defense and the like. As long as Russia is interested in getting their own soldiers back, they will likely have to keep trading the sun salute enthusiasts. Posted by: boneless | Jan 31 2024 21:10 utc | 50 Posted by: Questioneer | Jan 31 2024 19:16 utc | 38 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2024 21:10 utc | 51 I was discussing Ukrainian Army recruitment with a friend who reads only MSM sources. She was “very skeptical” when I suggested that recruitment was disproportionately from the ethnic Russian/Hungarian minorities. Does anyone have a link with evidence for this that I could share with her? Thanks all. Posted by: Maff | Jan 31 2024 21:20 utc | 52 titmouse | Jan 31 2024 16:52 utc | 5 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 31 2024 21:22 utc | 53 https://t.me/ChDambiev/27710 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2024 21:22 utc | 54 If Russia wins, there will be consequences for the European Union (nobody cares, certainly not Victoria) and for NATO (wasn’t supposed to happen). Perhaps this explains Nulands’ insistence on war. Posted by: Passerby | Jan 31 2024 21:34 utc | 55 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 31 2024 21:22 utc | 53 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2024 21:39 utc | 56 NoName | Jan 31 2024 20:43 utc | 44 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 31 2024 21:45 utc | 57 No Name @ 44: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2024 21:49 utc | 58 Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2024 21:49 utc | 58 Posted by: NoName | Jan 31 2024 22:02 utc | 59 Russian MFA has released two PRs on the two ICJ rulings made public today, “International Court of Justice Rulings on Ukraine’s Claims”, that provide good short summations, with a few added twists. “Posted by: Pierrot | Jan 31 2024 17:32 utc | 14” Posted by: Dalit | Jan 31 2024 22:11 utc | 61 by NoName | Jan 31 2024 22:02 utc | 59 & Refinnejenna | Jan 31 2024 21:49 utc | 58 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 31 2024 22:41 utc | 62 “FT: EU planning to destroy Hungarian economy” —The Duran today at YouTube. Only real shock is that there is nothing shocking about extent of EU desperation re Russia Posted by: Pundita | Jan 31 2024 23:02 utc | 63 The money for Ukraine question remind me of the tanks standoff between USA, Germany/EU and UK Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 31 2024 23:08 utc | 64 Posted by: Pundita | Jan 31 2024 23:02 utc | 63 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2024 23:08 utc | 65 Exactly as stupid to be following RAND’s plan on destabilizing Russia, the USA, exactly as expected, is.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 31 2024 23:16 utc | 66 Unimperator @65 – hmmm insightful observations. Mercouris has detailed advice Posted by: Pundita | Jan 31 2024 23:34 utc | 67 Re: Victoria Nuland Posted by: Rolando | Jan 31 2024 23:49 utc | 68 Try to act surprised. Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 1 2024 0:09 utc | 69 Martina@31…..sent to the front and can’t run away, genius really. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 1 2024 0:39 utc | 70 Wow! Definitely get some more popcorn on shopping list. Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 1 2024 0:40 utc | 71 Posted by: Maff | Jan 31 2024 21:20 utc | 52 Posted by: anonposter | Feb 1 2024 1:16 utc | 72 RT reports Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 1:36 utc | 73 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Feb 1 2024 1:48 utc | 74 The real game changer is coming next Wednesday! Posted by: Surferket | Feb 1 2024 1:49 utc | 75 by Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 1:36 utc | 73 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 1 2024 1:57 utc | 76 Bodies of the dead were also exchanged – 55 Russian, 77 Ukrainian. Exchange facillitated by UAE. Some consolation to the families. A hopeful thing, the exchange, so soon after the il76 went down. Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 1 2024 2:10 utc | 77 Perhaps Nuland’s visit reflects the state of disarray and an attempt at damage control – putting out fires. Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 1 2024 2:13 utc | 78 by the pessimist | Feb 1 2024 2:13 utc | 78 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 1 2024 2:36 utc | 79 re:%20Posted%20by%3A%20unimperator%20%7C%20Jan%2031%202024%2023%3A08%20utc%20%7C%2065
Yes, true, but after two years of conflict Russia is a long long way from creating a land bridge to Hungary – and I suspect we will see hundreds of thousands of NATO troops in Western Ukraine before that ever happens and Russia will back off and sign a deal – by Russia, I mean of course Putin. Posted by: Julian | Feb 1 2024 2:47 utc | 80 The Sputnik story below is a reminder that the information war that matters most is the one that Russia is waging against its own Fifth Columnists. Posted by: bevin | Feb 1 2024 3:08 utc | 81 WhirlX @ 62: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 1 2024 3:08 utc | 82 by Refinnejenna | Feb 1 2024 3:08 utc | 82 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 1 2024 3:32 utc | 83 Surferket Posted by: mark linhter | Feb 1 2024 3:34 utc | 84 With Nuland flying around everywhere breaking shit, perhaps we should compare her to a whale, namely Twitter/X’s Fail Whale error image: a big, smiling whale being held aloft by ropes tugged by tiny tweety birds. She is the Fail Whale of the US State Dept. We should make humpback whale song noises followed by explosions whenever the news has to mention her. Uuuooooooooaaaaa *ka-boom!* Aaaaoooouuuuuu-uuu *shabroom!* Oooouuuiii-iii *ker-pow!* Posted by: titmouse | Feb 1 2024 4:27 utc | 85 ZH does have a posting up with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 1 2024 4:52 utc | 86 Putins goals were denazification, liberation of Ukraine, saving Russian lives, now we hear it need a buffer in missile range and all is super. Posted by: theo | Feb 1 2024 6:04 utc | 87 by Refinnejenna | Feb 1 2024 3:08 utc | 82 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 1 2024 6:08 utc | 88
Posted by: Down South | Feb 1 2024 6:32 utc | 89
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21462 Posted by: Down South | Feb 1 2024 6:36 utc | 90 Finally, Russia is saying that the demilitarized zone in Ukraine must be expanded to cope with the West’s long range weaponry supplied to Ukraine. Posted by: gT | Feb 1 2024 7:33 utc | 91 Posted by: NoName | Jan 31 2024 20:43 utc | 44
for all complainers: Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 1 2024 7:35 utc | 92 Ah the never failing to entertain inform and educate Russian MFA has an update on the ICJ that seems to have given a no way Jose ruling against grabbing Russias funds – no wonder the Cookie Monster was visiting her trashy ancestral lands yesterday. She saying a final goodbye? Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 1 2024 8:13 utc | 93 Finally, Russia is saying that the demilitarized zone in Ukraine must be expanded to cope with the West’s long range weaponry supplied to Ukraine. Posted by: Micron | Feb 1 2024 8:52 utc | 94 Posted by: Julian | Feb 1 2024 2:47 utc | 80 Posted by: Boo | Feb 1 2024 8:57 utc | 95 Micron | Feb 1 2024 8:52 utc | 94 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 1 2024 9:16 utc | 96
It’s important to understand that the F-35 Program is not just about supplying a fighter jet to countries, it’s also about stimulating the local economy via component manufacturing. Each of the partner countries gets to build a set of components for the remainder of the partners aircraft.. eg Australia builds the wings and intakes, Norway builds the main under carriage etc etc. Australia chose to buy F-35s (and US subs) because of the injection of infrastructure, skills and money into our economy. Doesn’t matter if the product is crap, or the current aircraft are capable… it’s about the ‘Industry.’ More than anything else. Posted by: DDK | Feb 1 2024 9:21 utc | 97 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 1 2024 9:16 utc | 96 Posted by: Micron | Feb 1 2024 9:30 utc | 98 The people who think about wars as winning the shooting match and taking the twrritory never cease to amaze me with their untarnished naivete. Posted by: averros | Feb 1 2024 9:48 utc | 99 AFU launched 20 missiles toward Crimea overnight. 17 were shot down over the Black Sea and 3 above Crimea according to RU sources sighted by Dima. One video released shows a missile crashing in a field setting off a huge dust cloud. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 1 2024 9:49 utc | 100 |
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