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January 26, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-029
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6477356
And the more significant announcement:
So basically Russia isn’t ready for total war yet because despite the loud proclamations, while the key systems do exist, they don’t exist in a state of proper full deployment. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 15:47 utc | 1 The Russians are increasingly using drones with thermal imaging cameras to drop grenades night, hell, it looks like they’ll soon have to move only underground. Posted by: Psycho | Jan 26 2024 15:55 utc | 2 By VIPS ”Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity” Posted by: FromFrance | Jan 26 2024 16:02 utc | 3 Of course that is the charitable interpretation, which grants the “we are stalling for time” excuse to the pathetic displays of weakness observed in the last two years. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 26 2024 16:08 utc | 4 Reading the Guardian comments is like being on another planet. They’re talking about Russia invading the UK like its plausible and how evil Putin is, every single discredited nonsense put out by the ISW and their ilk and…its so completely insane. It really shows the power of repeating lies convincingly. When the truth intrudes expect massive mental health crises. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 16:10 utc | 5 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from January 20 to January 26, 2024) Posted by: rumod report | Jan 26 2024 16:14 utc | 6
The Russian Federation is far more prepared for total war, as you put it, than their NATO and Maerican would-be adversaries. If nothing else the Ukraine misadventure has revealed the complete disparity in capacities. NATO is a paper tiger. Maerica couldn’t fight just Russia today, let alone an alliance of Russia China Iran. The strutting fool US generals and pompous proclamations of NATO politicians are all devices to mask a deep understanding of their own utter inferiority. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 16:15 utc | 7 For example, it was the US who just tried, and failed, to successfully launch one of their Minutemen ICBMs. It had to ditch in the sea. This display was intended as a ‘show of force’ after Russias submarine based ICBM test. Like so many things Western these days, it failed spectacularly. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 16:18 utc | 8 @1 it’s clear as day, from all available evidence over the past 2 years, that Putin is not trying to win the war in the sense or marching into Odessa or Kyiv, he is trying to end the war, get this nightmare Ofer with. Posted by: Jabuta | Jan 26 2024 16:28 utc | 9 The fridges have proven a trusty reserve, after the washing machines have done real yeoman’s work. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 26 2024 16:29 utc | 10 So basically Russia isn’t ready for total war yet because despite the loud proclamations, while the key systems do exist, they don’t exist in a state of proper full deployment. 1. Posted by: ossi | Jan 26 2024 16:40 utc | 11 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 15:47 utc | 1 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 16:49 utc | 12 shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 15:47 utc | 1 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 26 2024 16:52 utc | 13 it’s clear as day, from all available evidence over the past 2 years, that Putin is not trying to win the war in the sense or marching into Odessa or Kyiv, he is trying to end the war, get this nightmare Ofer with. Posted by: ossi | Jan 26 2024 17:04 utc | 14 “Ukraine also got high on their initial success…”
Putin no longer has a choice on this. It is existential now, and nothing short of erasing the Ukrainian state from the map and from the history book will suffice as a war objective. The alternative is the slow disintegration of Russia, first in terms of physical infrastructure under constant missile and drone attacks, then politically too. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:13 utc | 16 Ukraine Weekly Update: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-6be Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 26 2024 17:13 utc | 17 Posted by: Passerby | Jan 26 2024 10:41 utc | 266
Why did you defend shadowbanned — the CIPSO agent ; How do you know what he meant ? Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 26 2024 17:14 utc | 18 Remember the US General Antonio Aguto that was sent to Ukraine to assist/lead Ukranian forces on dec. 12. Have anybody heard of or from him lately? Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 26 2024 17:19 utc | 19 Proves what I said to Odessa, Odessa must never remain under Ukrainian power.. Posted by: ossi | Jan 26 2024 17:23 utc | 20
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That’s not how it works. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:24 utc | 21
It isn’t currently possible, but there is a grain of truth to it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:35 utc | 22 https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/440
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:35 utc | 23 Posted by: ossi | Jan 26 2024 17:23 utc | 20 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 17:35 utc | 24 4) I don’t know what the plan is for the SSBNs. NATO has twice the number of those that Russia has. If there is a solution to it, quite likely the Chinese would have to join the battle too. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 26 2024 17:40 utc | 25 On a slighty unrelated note, executing people left and right did no yield stellar military performances in the summer of 41′ and for quite a while after. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 17:42 utc | 26
I’m sure Ritter said it very loudly, and very energetically, which means it must be true. Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 26 2024 17:51 utc | 27 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:35 utc | 22 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2024 17:55 utc | 28 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:24 utc | 21 Posted by: ctiger | Jan 26 2024 18:12 utc | 29
Posted by: Down South | Jan 26 2024 18:13 utc | 30 Always look at the magicians other hand. Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 26 2024 18:16 utc | 31 Posted by: Macpott | Jan 26 2024 18:23 utc | 32
Which is why Churchill was planning how to attack the USSR before the Red Army had even taken Berlin (and who know what would have happened if he hadn’t lost the election)? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 18:29 utc | 33 Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 26 2024 18:16 utc | 31 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 18:29 utc | 34 unimperator | Jan 26 2024 18:29 utc | 34 unimperator@34….the only factor at the beginning of the SMO was there was no factor….much over hyped speculation. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 26 2024 18:56 utc | 37 Putin: Il-76 was downed by US or French air defenses, experts to prove it by next week Posted by: Thurl | Jan 26 2024 19:19 utc | 38
The exact phrasing matters:
In other words, they will take this one on the chin too. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 20:05 utc | 39 Which is why Churchill was planning how to attack the USSR before the Red Army had even taken Berlin (and who know what would have happened if he hadn’t lost the election)? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 26 2024 20:11 utc | 40 With their domestic policy distractions calendar this year quite full, the us will have a devil of a time juggling all it’s belligerent actions and “commitments” internationally. I believe the uk is going to have to step up to the plate more often and push the nato/empire agenda a little bit more. If the Axis of Resistance and Russia can keep up the pressure on these assets, we may see a few more cracks open up to the delight of an appreciative RoW. Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 26 2024 20:34 utc | 41 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 26 2024 20:34 utc | 41 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 20:39 utc | 42 “Reading the Guardian comments is like being on another planet. They’re talking about Russia invading the UK like its plausible” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 26 2024 20:58 utc | 43 The reason bots plant comments in the media is because they know humans act like this when they herd together. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 26 2024 21:04 utc | 44 unimperator @ 42 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 26 2024 22:12 utc | 45 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 26 2024 22:12 utc | 45 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 22:37 utc | 46 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 18:29 utc | 33 Posted by: Milites | Jan 26 2024 22:38 utc | 47 Salaam,the key systems may be still in the works good.Now shadowbanned@1- so what about “Satan” for example,is it any good at all,it’s going to be “de-commissioned to be replaced by “samat”,should push come to shoove,think Satan is capable enough!The Russ do have weapons right now that are just as capable to make the enemy lands glass. Posted by: 4q8 | Jan 26 2024 22:44 utc | 48 Deputy Minister of Defense M. Krivoruchko, on the occasion of the Unified Day of receipt of military products, communicated a large number of figures on the execution of the state defense order for last year. Among this multitude, two figures, in my opinion, deserve the greatest attention: last year, the Navy received more than 7.7 thousand missiles of all kinds, from the well-deserved “Uranes” to the latest “Zircons”, which will have no equivalent in the enemy for years to come, while the army received 4 thousand artillery systems and MLRS during the year. Posted by: Naive | Jan 26 2024 22:54 utc | 49 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 16:10 utc | 5 Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 26 2024 23:08 utc | 50 British AS-90 howitzer blows its barrel, presumably in Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 23:22 utc | 51 There really is no need to talk such minute details with certain characters. Even vk and dare I say…… Steven hack….circe with Bernie sanders..are better conversationist….. Posted by: Jason | Jan 26 2024 23:39 utc | 52 Yes, re: propaganda, sucking and blowing at the same time. It’s not going to work. Or rather, it works until it doesn’t. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 23:51 utc | 53 unimperator | Jan 26 2024 23:22 utc | 51 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2024 0:08 utc | 54 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2024 0:08 utc | 54 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2024 0:15 utc | 55 Interesting times! Posted by: BadDealMotorsOn | Jan 27 2024 0:46 utc | 56 Strelkov was not only a coward who abandoned his post in a combat zone but also advocated for mass murder like most Nazis and Zionists. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 27 2024 0:48 utc | 57 Milites @ 47 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 27 2024 0:49 utc | 58
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 0:59 utc | 59 Putin: “ “Most likely the strike was delivered by a US system Patriot system but even more likely by a French-made air-defense system.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2024 1:25 utc | 60 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 17:35 utc | 23 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 27 2024 1:28 utc | 61 But then why jail Strelkov and crack down on patriotic dissent? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 27 2024 1:54 utc | 62 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jan 27 2024 2:29 utc | 63 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 27 2024 0:48 utc | 57 Posted by: pesec | Jan 27 2024 2:49 utc | 64 “..How many major wars did the UK instigate or openly fought against Russia?..” Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 3:20 utc | 65 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 26 2024 16:10 utc | 5 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 27 2024 3:38 utc | 66 Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 3:20 utc | 64 Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 3:53 utc | 67 This report on the current reality in Ukraine by a woman who was visiting friends there appeared on MoA a week or two ago. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1743658029893984735.html Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 27 2024 5:07 utc | 68 Posted by: mtw | Jan 27 2024 3:53 utc | 66 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 27 2024 5:15 utc | 69
At first it was just to secure arms and supplies from being given to the Germans, only in about 7 months they sided with some Russians in their civil war. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jan 27 2024 6:07 utc | 70 Paranaense | Jan 27 2024 5:07 utc | 67 Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2024 8:01 utc | 71 Posted by: Poslan1 | Jan 27 2024 6:07 utc | 69 Posted by: Constantine | Jan 27 2024 9:06 utc | 72 Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 3:20 utc | 64 Posted by: Constantine | Jan 27 2024 9:16 utc | 73 Major Douglas McGregor: Posted by: WMG | Jan 27 2024 9:43 utc | 74 Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2024 3:20 utc | 64 Posted by: Milites | Jan 27 2024 9:47 utc | 75
Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 27 2024 10:01 utc | 76 @ Doctor Eleven, §5: Posted by: John Marks | Jan 27 2024 10:01 utc | 77 currently theres some 14 tankers with oil stranded around southkorea due to the unprovoked fullscale sanctions war of aggression against the russian federation. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 27 2024 10:49 utc | 78 75 – Wow. Kiev strategy drafted in Washington DC. Who ever would have guessed… Posted by: Waldorf | Jan 27 2024 10:53 utc | 79 Re nato equipment. Ukraine forces were complaining about it on social media before it became a criminal offence to do so. Captured javelins? stingers? went to the Donbass forces. Many of the batteries were no good. There was a bit of an article somewhere where they had figured out a method of fitting non standard batteries to get them working. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2024 11:10 utc | 80 So the Tuapse refinery will be out of action for more than a month after the “Ukrainian” drone strike. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 12:02 utc | 81 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 12:02 utc | 81 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 27 2024 12:11 utc | 82 Apollyon | Jan 27 2024 10:01 utc | 76 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2024 12:19 utc | 83
Incorrect.
Indeed they haven’t.
Well explained about the civil war. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 12:19 utc | 84 Horrible month so far for the Russians. Not only did the AFU drone strike a major Russian oil center but there was a HIMARS strike that killed a lot of Russian drone operators (see Down South’s post #30 above). Posted by: bored | Jan 27 2024 12:47 utc | 85 It’s always a shame when the shadow band are allowed to take over the thread, especially at the start. There’s really no point reading further. Posted by: Another Thing | Jan 27 2024 13:27 utc | 86 Re nato equipment. Ukraine forces were complaining about it on social media before it became a criminal offence to do so. Captured javelins? stingers? went to the Donbass forces. Many of the batteries were no good. There was a bit of an article somewhere where they had figured out a method of fitting non standard batteries to get them working. Posted by: Micron | Jan 27 2024 13:29 utc | 87 Also, if you read attentively the pro-Russian TG reports, you will find some disturbing tidbits, like this one about the Ukrainian artillery having in some places superiority over Russian art. How can that be, if they have lost all their Soviet equipment and if M777 break like crystal ? Propaganda bullshit. The Ukies do have an effective mix and do not suffer from shell hunger. Posted by: Micron | Jan 27 2024 13:31 utc | 88 @65 Posted by: GW | Jan 27 2024 13:37 utc | 89 Dima reports that yesterday Putin said that there are 600 thousand Russian soldiers involved in the SMO. Dima added that there are 1.2 million soldiers involved on the Ukrainian side. Can anyone confirm this number of Ukrainian soldiers? Posted by: Fern | Jan 27 2024 13:44 utc | 90 Have to agree, again, with the shadow. People who talk about US/UK “Appeasement” are telling a bad joke. Both the US and UK had elites, like Ford, who loved Hitler and would do anything to help him – as long as he directed his aggression to the east. Many have noted the role that Chamberlain played in the Munich agreement. Few realize that before Hitler was given Czechoslovakia and the Skoda works, France’s army, alone, could have defeated him. The US and UK were only forced to open a 2nd front after the Soviets’ victory, August ’43 in Kursk. They saw the Red Army pushing the nazis back, so they decided to meet the Red Army as far East as they could. At the Quebec Conference, Churchill agreed to join with the US in trying to keep control over as much of Europe as possible. Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 27 2024 13:45 utc | 91 Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 26 2024 23:08 utc | 50 Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 27 2024 13:48 utc | 92 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 26 2024 18:29 utc Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 27 2024 14:01 utc | 93 Posted by: Another Thing | Jan 27 2024 13:27 utc | 86 Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 27 2024 14:14 utc | 94 https://t.me/treugolniklpr/19580
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 14:18 utc | 95
Also, people don’t understand how much stuff was actually sent. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 14:40 utc | 96
Take a look at the stalemate on the front lines. Does it look like UA is out of men? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 27 2024 14:40 utc | 97 Former Canadian Armed Forces member and author, Mike Mihajlovic, is posting a series of articles on Black Mountain Analysis. The first one is up: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 27 2024 14:40 utc | 98 As ever, if a terrorist farts in the woods, banned is here to promote it. What we would do without you here to report every single propaganda ‘win’ of the Ukrainazis? A cowardly attack by terrorists on civilian targets. Shows the utter weakness and desperation of the Ukrainians, despite the assertions here. When I see Colombian cartel goons as Ukrops soldiers you know just how serious the meat supply issues are becoming.
This isn’t physics. It’s industrial capacity. Who is going to help the West catch up now that the genius financiers earlier alluded to have outsourced all means of production to unfriendly nations? Not to mention the prouncounced intellectual decline. Remind me how many engineers the US trained last year. Now remind me how many of these were Chinese or Indian immigrants. The writing is clearly on the wall for those paying attention. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 27 2024 14:45 utc | 99
See my last comment, NATO shill. I would answer affirmatively, since Ukraine is actively preparing to conscript women of childbearing age. But do go on, I enjoy watching people do a rendition of Colin Powells white vial UN performance. Outrageous exaggerations and hyperbole are always amusing. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 27 2024 14:48 utc | 100 |
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