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January 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-025
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“My friend Misha in Kiev informs me that it is still easy to bribe your way out of conscription, as long as you still have money. The moment you don’t have it, though, you’re done…”
Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 23 2024 11:42 utc | 113
I sincerely hope that he is not really known as Misha. As you are, no doubt aware, such people are in real danger of being beaten, detained, even killed by the fascist police.
Posted by: bevin | Jan 24 2024 2:48 utc | 201
Let’s face it by ‘figured it out” you mean that, with the help of all manner of trashy fascist and White Russian propagandists you have cobbled together a theory which you can pass of f in casual conversation as something that you have ‘figured out.’
Posted by: bevin | Jan 24 2024 2:44 utc | 198
If you think about it, is actually extremely convenient for the powers that be to spread that idea that the Bolshevik revolution was orchestrated by outside forces.
That trains people to think that they are powerless and cannot ever carry out revolution themselves without external help.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:52 utc | 202
shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:52 utc | 202
You are an ant. The humans are temperate.
You try to make the people thing that the restriction is something wrong.
The strict control of the power to destroy a target is the difference between 500000-1000000 and 70000-120000..
This is not a conflict for western fanboys. The Rf soldiers are there because are professionals, and apprentices in a cycle.
If idiots, like you an girkin, would be able to administrate the Country, in a week would be the whore land of the incompetents.
Everybody wants more destruction, but it’s clear that it’s not and never be the case.
Posted by: David | Jan 24 2024 3:35 utc | 203
Two points from me on two points by Peter AU1, upthread.
1 – Your lab theory is interesting. Having read various articles over the years by that courageous woman Journalist from Bulgaria on yank BioLabs there, I am completely prepared to accept the accusations implied in your theory at face value. Not sure if it’s a road I would personally pursue, but have you tried tracking/come across any signs of possibly related, time-critical operations during those advances? (Like airborne or commando raids ahead of the RU columns; though this is my own coloured imagination of things, not being a military guy myself).
2 – RE: [The upcoming NATO exercises], coupled to the obvious publicly spoken intention of assorted Euro elites to have a war with Russia. | Jan 23 2024 19:13 utc | 149
On tuesday, the infamous german tabloid Bild placed a huge headline, “Foreigners to join Bundeswehr!” (Ausländer in die BW). It had another small piece of text next to it, “Will it backfire?”, and thus was made up the full frontpage above the fold (plus the date, which I came to view as the only truthful thing printed in any of the western campfire aids these days).
I didn’t bother to look for news on corresponding legislation, but I certainly found my breakfast tainted today.
Posted by: persiflo | Jan 24 2024 3:49 utc | 204
by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:45 utc | 199
Stalin was caught with his pants down. But at least he had strategically prepared for war, he was caught slipping tactically and operationally.
It is not wise to compare those two events.
Russian leadership and all in the military know who the enemy is from the day 1. If you could understand the dimension of the front-line and beyond logistical scope of it, it is minuscule in everything. In comparison to what dimension was used when Stalin and Hitler danced.
Not like SMO is designated, with minimum of minima, when it started. It also happens along 1/25th of a Russian border.
Tank battles, a few, tank numbers, a few, here and there some platoon gets wiped, or IFV or a mortar’s nest destroyed. That is a skirmish, not moving red arrow armies. Treat it so, until.
But there were no nukes back then, so who strikes first wasn’t as consequential. It still was monstrously consequential though — the USSR never fully recovered and eventually fell apart.
That is a nonsense. Soviet Union was a social and humanistic improvement for the civilization. It ended because it was surrounded with Piranhas, miraged as a bunch of sweet teddy bears and fluffy bunnies.
Now there are nukes, and the Kremlin is again in Leopold the Cat mode.
Stalin wouldn’t use the nuke on Germans 40 km away from Moscow. standing on the 2/3 of Moscow-Kiew highway, if he had it.
Russia will never use nuke first. But it’ll also not be a second. That is the doctrine and stop dooming on nukes. If one nuke goes, they all go off until no missiles are left. It is as simple as that. So it is not happening. Or if it will, you wouldn’t know it anyway.
They say that nuke doomers are mostly people that do not make 6 zero sums a year and have too much debt, and a bad sex life.
It is a subconsciousness wish for ending the system and relieving the personal debt, Freud will say a lust for an orgasm if it falls along all together.
A suicide from the self-ambush.
And pretty much misunderstood Christianity. Can’t buy off your sins just like that. Voltaire tells it all.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 24 2024 3:52 utc | 205
persiflo | Jan 24 2024 3:49 utc | 204
Other than heading at full speed on the ground for the Bio and nuke sites there is nothing else.
There was the airborne landing at the airport outside Kiev but that does not seem connected to labs and nukes. A good part of Ukraine the Russians did run through with zero resistance.
As Shoigu said, the bold/the best die first.
This video gives a good idea of the speed of the advance on the first day. If you take the video up to full screen you will see the two trucks on the left of the screen both towing guns that are simply bypassed. The lead elements were stopping for nothing. From earlier videos, all had religious service the night before, orthodox, muslims and no doubt other faiths. They knew what they were heading into.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tpKUMGQh9HJc/
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 4:06 utc | 206
@200 Shadowbanned
“Such an agreement is absurd though.
It automatically places Russian in a subservient position. NATO military can be on the ground in Ukraine and can fight against Russia, but Russia can’t strike it? What kind of an arrangement is that???
Those NATO troops weren’t there just to give advice. The HIMARS, the Cesars, etc., are operated by them. And they killed a lot of Russians. That strike in Makeevka on New Year? How many dead Russians was that?”
I have wondered that myself but what seems absurd on the surface may be due to us not knowing all the factors behind such an arrangement. One of Putin’s main goals seems to be to avoid any direct hint of confrontation with the West as well as staying leader of Russia, even if it comes at the expense of Russian lives or money/treasure/strategic assets which to me is a crazy deal, but there has to be more here than meets the eye, Putin is not stupid. This same unstated deal with most likely certain factions of the ruling class in the USA/West drove Prigozhin literally crazy as he could not figure out why the MOD would not act decisively even when it was clear it was costing Russian lives, he came to the unfortunate conclusion they were traitors and it led to his demise. There clearly is/was a deal in place not to “escalate” against Western forces/assets in Ukraine and the Black sea and other surrounding areas.
What is most interesting is that the Belgorod attack or something along those same dates seems to have breached this unstated agreement and therefore the hit on the French and continued hits on them if reports are correct. Just look at how confident they were not to get hit that they were all congregating in a Kharkiv hotel en masse, a city not to far from Russia and very vulnerable to Iskander strikes.
Russia recently seems to have declared open season on Patriot/Iris T/ and other western air defense installations in Ukraine which it seemed like were previously “off limits” most likely due to being crewed by Western personell.
If this informal deal is indeed in place, expect a visit to Moscow from Bill Burns/CIA or someone similar to Moscow to renegotiate the terms of the deal as clearly parts of the deal no longer apply to the Russian side. I suspect one of the elements of this deal is that US has committed to not instigating any actual regime change efforts against Putin. Hence the tidbits from below, actual attempted regime change is crossing a red line, hence the scramble to assure Putin it was not the US.
I don’t know how much room Putin actually has to continue with this unstated deal given the crazy escalations such as the Belgorod attack or other stuff we may not even know about. What is clear however is the on the ground soldiers on both sides are still the pawns in this strange power game as they are the ones dying, while the chess masters play geopolitical power chess.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/world/europe/cia-william-burns-russia-wagner-rebellion.html
Posted by: silverdog | Jan 24 2024 4:07 utc | 207
📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 24 January 2024; pub. 06:57📍
🎯 Yesterday morning, the RF Armed Forces launched a massive strike on enemy territory with air and ground-based missile weapons. Tu-95ms, Tu-22m3, as well as Su-34 were used to launch missiles. The attacks mainly occurred in #Kiev, #Kharkov, and #Pavlograd. Explosions were reported in the #Poltava region.
▪️ In the #Kharkov direction, according to our data, the day before yesterday, in the evening our troops opened heavy artillery fire on enemy positions in the settlement of #Pletenevka, Volchansk district, and the AFU retreated from the strong point. Yesterday, units of the Russian Army conducted a raid on the enemy trenches, captured trophies and retreated to their initial positions without consolidating in empty positions. In fact, the RF Armed Forces carried out a daring raid on the territory in the #Kharkov region of #Ukraine, albeit in the nearest border area. It was difficult to establish the fact of such actions. The front was accustomed to the stable position of both sides. We note some intensification of our troops’ actions in the direction.
▪️ South of #Kremennaya, our attack on #Belogorovka continues, they report the occupation of some enemy positions.
▪️ Northwest of #Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut) there are battles in #Bogdanovka, the Russian Army has also advanced to #Georgiyevka.
▪️ In the #Avdeevka section, heavy fighting has been going on for several days in a row in the area of the Tsarskaya Okhota Recreation Center, after the capture of which our troops advanced to the outskirts of #Avdeyevka. The enemy throws infantry into battle, trying to recapture lost positions, and cut a ledge 1.5 km deep into our defences (⚠️I am not sure if I translated correct: “Враг бросает в бой пехоту, стараясь отбить утраченные позиции и срезать выступ в 1,5 км вглубь своей обороны.”).
▪️ The fighting near #Novomikhaylovka (between #Maryinka and #Ugledar) does not stop; the RF Armed Forces have the initiative and are trying to get to the road to #Ugledar, bypassing #Novomikhaylovka from the south. West of #Maryinka, our troops operate in #Georgiyevka.
▪️ On the #Zaporozhye front, the AFU practically do not use armored vehicles in the oncoming battles near #Verbovoye and #Rabotino. By sending infantry forward, the enemy counterattacks and conducts a maneuver defence.
▪️ In the #Kherson direction, no changes. The difficult situation of the few AFU forces in #Krynki forces the enemy to equip boats with homemade anti-ice protection equipment and try to increase the supply of manpower and weapons to our shores. Mutual artillery shelling and UAV strikes are ongoing.
💥 In the morning, the governor of the #Orel region announced the work of air defence over #Orel: “Services have been deployed to the incident sites in the #Zheleznodorozhnoye and Northern regions to ensure the safety of the population.” In the #Kursk region, the village of #Gogolevka, Sudzhansky district, was shelled. In the #Belgorod region, in the Valuysky urban district, air defence shot down one air target near the village of #Timonovo. Khutor Balki and Terezovka, Shebekinsky urban district and Lozovaya Rudka, Borisovsky district, were attacked by the AFU using kamikaze drones. There were no casualties. A man born in 1949 died in #Yasinovataya (#DPR) and a woman born in 1952. In total, 14 civilians were injured in the Republic during the day.
🎬 Zaporozhye Front, Verbovoye. Reports from Славянский рубеж. Losses of the 15th Separate Regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine during the next rotation in their positions.👇
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 6:57 utc | 208
Our sources in the General Staff report that the situation in Avdeevka is critical, the front may crumble, and the time to withdraw units to new prepared lines has been lost.
Now the situation is developing according to Bakhmut’s scenario, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to burn reserves, and elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Main Intelligence Directorate, as well as the former presidential regiment, were transferred to the city, but this did not save the situation. Avdeev is under 24/7 artillery and aviation fire, all positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been dug up.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21302
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 6:59 utc | 209
All our sources are confident in three scenarios for the Ukrainian crisis.
1. This is an escalation until other players are drawn into the war. For example, Moldova.
2. The collapse/cutting of Ukraine as a result of the conflict.
3. Freezing the conflict (but at the moment, this is an unrealistic outcome, since the Ukrainian leadership is afraid of losing power later).
The first scenario is adjacent to the second. This is also indicated by the processes taking place in Moldova, where President Maia Sandu is gradually transferring power to Romanian “proteges”, who are increasingly occupying high positions. At the same time, the PMR is pressing economically. Next, the issue will arise with gas from Moldova/PMR when the contract between Ukraine and the Russian Federation ends in 2024.
Sandu is preparing to merge Moldova under Romania (the Romanians will annex Chisinau as their “colony”), and she needs war to complete/accelerate this process.
2024 will be very slippery and noisy.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 7:00 utc | 210
General Sir Patrick Sanders will stress the need for the Government to “mobilise the nation” in the event of war with Russia in a speech on Wednesday. It comes after a senior Nato military official warned that private citizens should prepare for an all-out war with Russia in the next 20 years. (The Telegraph)
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 24 2024 8:08 utc | 211
Posted by: alek_a | Jan 23 2024 7:12 utc | 93
«Please no. This platform is low tech with a purpose. Otherwise we will be tracked and identified. No anonymous posting anymore.»
It is *pseudonymous* posting, the major security services most likely track and identify every pseudonym here, unless exceptionally skilled techniques are used (VPNs like Tor and others are probably not sufficient without great precautions like “burner PCs” or “burner cellphones”). Even more generally:
https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1186271838386774018
NN Taleb, 2020: “every financial transaction done on Planet Earth since 2005 is traceable (the aftermath of Sep 11). Even if one uses prête-noms. Even if one uses cryptocurrencies, art work, etc. You cannot hide anything anymore.”
“Live unnoticed” “The nail that stands out will be hammered”
Posted by: Blissex | Jan 24 2024 8:17 utc | 212
Il-76 crashed around Belgorod, 63 dead.
No information on how exactly it crashed yet, but certainly looks very suspicious…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 9:19 utc | 213
Belgorod region
The media report the crash of an Il-76 plane in the region.
The governor of the region, Gladkov, wrote in his telegram channel about the incident in the Korochansky district. Investigators and rescuers are working at the crash site.
We are waiting for official messages.
https://t.me/two_majors/18076
Video in link
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 9:29 utc | 214
⚡️ On the night of January 20, a missile strike in Mirnograd hit a temporary deployment point for personnel of the 110th brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Ukrainian authorities acknowledged the death of 16 servicemen. Several dozen more were injured in various ways.
Military Informant
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/47567
…
A Russian response to the recent bloody attack on the crowded market in Donetsk was not long in waiting. On the morning of January 23, dozens of Russian drones and missiles targeted Ukrainian military facilities throughout the country. Sirens sounded in all regions of Ukraine immediately after Russian strategic bombers took off from airfields in the rear areas.
There were several waves of combined strikes in the morning hours. While the first wave missiles were cruising over the country, the overloaded Ukrainian air defense was forced to use scarce anti-aircraft missiles.
Meanwhile, the second wave of missiles came into the country, mocking the Ukrainian air defenses and moving from one region to another.
According to the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia struck with air-launched cruise missiles and ground-launched ballistic missiles.
The targets of the strikes were military facilities in the Kharkiv, Poltava and Dnipro regions and in Kiev.
As usual, representatives of the Ukrainian regime again announced the “destruction” of all missiles that attacked the country’s capital. According to a representative of the Kiev administration, there were about 20 missiles in total.
The claims from Kiev raise only one question: if the almighty Ukrainian air defense forces are so effective, why then does Zelensky continue traveling around the globe begging for more air defense systems and other weapons?
Even the residents of the Ukrainian capital did not believe in this lie and filmed videos that clearly show the arrival of Russian missiles on targets.
According to preliminary local reports, as a result of the Russian attack, facilities in the Boryspil airport area in Kiev, as well as the airfield in Pavlograd, were either damaged or destroyed. In Kharkiv, the targets were several bases used to house Ukrainian troops and foreign mercenaries, and military depots.
During the attack, Ukrainian sources in Kiev and Kharkiv confirmed attacks on civilian high-rise buildings, not by Russian strikes, but again by Ukrainian air defense missiles, which the Ukrainian military places directly in residential areas.
The ongoing Russian attacks interrupt the operation of various Ukrainian military-industrial facilities, used for production and repair of military equipment, as well as warehouses and logistic hubs necessary for the timely transfer of reinforcements to the frontlines. At the same time, Russian troops continue their offensives in almost all directions from Kherson to Kupyansk, and Ukrainian losses in manpower and equipment are growing.
The Ukrainian military has passed the point of no return. Their obsolete equipment is rapidly destroyed, and new supplies from NATO are not enough to plug the holes. As a result of the shortage of equipment, the elite Ukrainian troops have switched to horses.
https://southfront.press/ukrainian-military-industrial-complex-turns-into-ruins/
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2024 9:30 utc | 215
🇷🇺 An Il-76 military transport plane crashed in the Belgorod region. There were 63 people on board. According to preliminary information, everyone died.
According to a number of reports, there could have been Ukrainian prisoners of war on board who were being taken for exchange.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 9:31 utc | 216
❗️IL-76 VKS of the Russian Federation crashed in the Belgorod region, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported.
On board of the Il-76 there were 65 captured military personnel who were transported for exchange, 6 crew members and 3 accompanying persons.
A VKS commission flew to the site of the plane crash in the Belgorod region to establish the causes of the disaster.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86464
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 9:32 utc | 217
The IL-76 plane was shot down in the Belgorod region, someone knew for sure about its departure, here is the trace.
On board were 65 captured military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces transported to the Belgorod region for exchange, 6 aircraft crew members and 3 accompanying persons. Everyone died.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21309
Video in link
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 9:34 utc | 218
🇷🇺🇺🇦So far there are two versions of the IL-76 crash near Belgorod – either a shoot down or a technical malfunction.
Considering the fact that yesterday near Sudzha two IRIS-T air defense systems were attacked, which Ukrainian formations dragged to the border, it’s hard to believe in a technical malfunction. The Armed Forces of Ukraine began to saturate the border areas with anti-aircraft missile systems from the beginning of the year. There were 65
Ukrainian prisoners of war on board , who were preparing to be exchanged today as part of the planned exchange with the Ukrainian side. The exchange dragged on for quite a long time and was sabotaged by the Ukrainian side. In total , 192 people had to be exchanged . The Ukrainian side repeatedly sabotaged him and tried to sneak in other people. Now the Main Intelligence Directorate and the SBU will probably use the story of the downed Il-76 to accuse the Russian side of deliberate provocation and disruption of the exchange process. #Belgorod #Russia #Ukraine
So now we have Western AD systems shooting down planes in pre-war Russian territory.
Red lines and all…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 9:43 utc | 219
219
Mr Red line is the biggest loser in Russian history!
His liberal approach to the war in Ukraine is breathtaking
Coloring a real war as a SMO is Kamikaze & braindead
He gave and gives NatoUkronazis all the time they need to
Rearm and regroup.
He & his team re traitors !
Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 24 2024 9:56 utc | 220
IRIS-T has a 40km range. They have to park it on basically on top of the border posts to have range to Belgorod.
But maybe they did park them there. The event must have been very close to the border.
No Nato AWACS aircraft or drone should have range to see (from the Black Sea or Poland) targets in Belgorod area. Since Russia is still a pretty open country, it’s guaranteed AFU has observers around airfields. Moreover, in this particular case, since it was a pre-arranged prisoner exchange, AFU would have known to expect an aircraft. But we will just have to wait what the accident commission establishes.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2024 9:57 utc | 221
According to Reuters, Turkey has approved Nato membership for Sweden. Not that it means much as US already had full run of the place.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 10:12 utc | 222
turkeys approval is nothing more then a formality now, since the us already made agreements to use all those bases over there. kinda what they tried to pull in ukraine but didnt quite manage to accomplish, hence the fighting now over the land.
not the people.
just the land.
western values.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 24 2024 10:16 utc | 223
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 9:43 utc | 219
If it is true that the il76 was transporting Ukrainian prisoners shooting it down seems more a silly or desperate move from afu than a red line crossing.
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 10:19 utc | 224
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 10:19 utc | 224
Most likely this is what Budanov/Nuland are trying to achieve, Budanov is put in place of Zaluzhny to lead a broken army (Budanov has no military experience), but do terrorist attacks and provocations, even against their own. The main problem for them is how to stop surrenders.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2024 10:22 utc | 225
On tuesday, the infamous german tabloid Bild placed a huge headline, “Foreigners to join Bundeswehr!” (Ausländer in die BW). …
Posted by: persiflo | Jan 24 2024 3:49 utc | 204
As things stand, this only seems to make sense as a way to recruit Ukrainians who have fled to the EU from Ukraine, otherwise the logical question is “which foreigners?”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 4:06 utc | 206
I believe that’s a video of Russian forces advancing full speed towards Mariupol, successfully trapping westerner curators in Azovstal, not that anyone now admits as much, though we don’t seem to have Austin around any more to endorse the official version of events so perhaps we’re permitted to reintroduce the matter into polite conversation =)
It didn’t count for much because there wasn’t the political will to do anything more quietly trade even the worst back into temporary captivity but that doesn’t diminish the way Russia forces have distinguished themselves throughout.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 24 2024 10:29 utc | 226
Cynic @ Jan 23 2024 21:10 utc | 172
Poles would be surprised that their western neighbors see them just as close to Russia as the Ukrainians.. and just as expendable. Maybe someone saw the light there though, you hear less and less volunteering to become the next battleground. Maybe hopes are to take a piece of western Ukraine instead of going for their former Byelorussian homelands. Don’t forget Poland sat further east in former times.
Blissex @ Jan 23 2024 21:56 utc | 179
Everyone here should keep in mind this place is public as can be. Just the CloudFlare SSL certificate means NSA is directly reading unencrypted and having full access logs. They also have a saufficient number of exit nodes on Tor that that will not protect you.. and don’t even get me started on VPN providers.
silverdog @ Jan 23 2024 22:40 utc | 184
A lot of the current developments look like theater shaping for the spring/summer offensive. Russia is closing the fire bags while showing that they had the means all along. Effects of attrition on Ukrainian society won’t have much further to run, feels like it’s time to start preparing to roll.
First reports of upgrading Pantsir launchers with anti-drone (48 volley) cheap missiles may shift balance back to enable mobile operations soon. In WW1 after last war tactics stalled into trenches it took about two years until some mobility came back through tanks and planes. We will see the same now with missiles and drones. Expect cheap AI/IFF driven hunter drones as well as flying EW (GPS/2.4/5Ghz/833MHz) jammers, the fact that drones need low power comms mean that EW payloads will be light as well.
I expect pressure to be kept up on the current front with new drives on Charkow and Poltava. This would both solve Belgorod, make the whole southern front unsustainable and build a large enough hammer for the anvil that is Donetsk front. With few trenches prebuilt a breakthrough here would get them rolling.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 23 2024 23:45 utc | 187
Your comment rings true, EU is coming around without changing the narrative.
You can feel that alignment with the Us is becoming shakier by the day. EU is not willing to sacrifice the farm and pick up the Ukraine tab. Israel support is still on “talk is cheap” level, we’ll see what happens when Germany has to put up. US is mulling to limit LNG exports, this would be the last straw after North stream and spending some 40 bln EUR on LNG terminals. It’s not like EU can do without US natgas if the Red Sea is on fire and Quatar can’t deliver. For some reason this is not even a topic in German media yet though it’s a real chance to get real, as a CEO I would be scared shitless. EU politicians should also notice that US just skipped and left EU with the tab and deep political division for not only no gain but ruin. Gets harder by the day to sell the just war to citizens concerned, scared and waking up.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:47 utc | 200
You would do anything up to nukes to avoid perceived “weakness”.. insecure much? Randomly bombing hotels without proof would have been used against Russia hard. Even you now acknowledge shelling Belgorod and Donetsk is wrong, see how Russia got the moral high ground here now?
Just imagine why/how NATO “volunteers/mercs” can use HIMARS to target civilians? Their weapon systems can be gifted to Ukraine, the personnel can quit NATO armies and join UKR forein legion. You just can’t make them sit in trenches with soggy feet, so you put them up in 4 star hotels. Now how do you get to them if you don’t have plenty of long range drones and cruise missiles to spare and have more valuable (multibillion) arms shipments and logistics targets. Would you rather shoot at that hotel or at a cargo of Patriot-3. It’s a recent development Russia can target 2nd rate targets, and an ominous one. You wonder what the deal with the French ambassador was and wether the French will dare to send another arms package in the future. I am sure the French price will be paid somewhere in Africa.
Posted by: SOS | Jan 24 2024 10:34 utc | 227
🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Russian Il-76 was targeted by an anti-aircraft guided missile launched from Kharkov, at a distance of 130 km.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 10:44 utc | 228
The Il-76 was “shot down by three Patriot or IRIS-T missiles,” followed by another Il-76 with 80 Ukrainian Armed Forces prisoners on board, it was deployed, said the head of the Duma Defense Committee Andrei Kartapolov.
“The Ukrainian leadership was well aware of the impending exchange and was informed of how the prisoners would be delivered,” he said during a speech in the State Duma.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86473
Details of the Il-76 plane crash in the Belgorod region are given State Duma deputy Kartapolov:
The leadership of Ukraine was well aware of the upcoming exchange, knew perfectly well how prisoners of war would be delivered.
The IL-76 was “shot down by three Patriot or IRIS-T missiles.”
▪️ Another Il-76 with 80 prisoners on board was flying next, it was turned around.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86474
Video of speech in link
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 10:47 utc | 229
Russia says a transport plane has crashed and that 65 Ukrainian POWs were on board – https://tass.com/defense/1736555
Posted by: Mike Hampton | Jan 24 2024 11:09 utc | 231
Ukrainians are literally crazy demons…
Today’s had to be POWs exchange. When our aircrafts with Ukrainian POWs were approaching exchange point – Ukrainians attacked them.
One our craft managed to flee, another crashed.
Ukrainians are happy and celebrate in SocNets they killed 3 Russian pilots.
…and half hundred Ukrainian soldiers they do not care a slightest for.
Posted by: Arioch | Jan 24 2024 11:21 utc | 232
228
„I am sure the French price will be paid somewhere in Africa.“
Mr Red lines wedtern Partners killing NOW and since 2008 russian civilians in Ukraine & Russia mainland!!!
U want to pay the price somewhere in Africa????
Ehy not on Mars or Saturn or Jupiter?
Hahahaha insane totally insane
Typical kremlin trolls selling bananas for apples and painting black as white
Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 24 2024 11:22 utc | 233
keep in mind, those ukrainian pow are most probably native russians or of russian heritage, likely forcefully conscripted by the kievan thugs.
of course those vocal idiots in kiev dont care about them. the plane also most likely wasnt even shot down by ukrainians themself, but rather by “not mercenaries and not military personell, but purely civilians that went there on their own” from a friendly nato country nearby.
those people dont care either.
rather, they saw an opportunity to kill more russians, and the pow on the ukrainian side that were to be exchanged will probably now face a cruel fate.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 24 2024 11:42 utc | 234
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 10:19 utc | 224
If it is true that the il76 was transporting Ukrainian prisoners shooting it down seems more a silly or desperate move from afu than a red line crossing.
Is this a Ukrainean version of The Hannibal Doctrine?? From memory Ukr. has some form in this department.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 24 2024 11:47 utc | 235
Posted by: zorge | Jan 24 2024 10:22 utc | 225
Crazy to transport POWs in such a big military transport, when you could have used railroad.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 24 2024 11:52 utc | 236
@ Greg Galloway | Jan 24 2024 11:52 utc | 237
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It is also an exercise.
Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 11:57 utc | 237
Crazy to transport POWs in such a big military transport, when you could have used railroad.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 24 2024 11:52 utc | 237
now that i think about it, what if the target was just the plane(s) itself?
its a known open stated goal of nato to degrade russia in any way possible, and shooting down 1(2) planes on the cheap, as their flightpath and destination is well known, was just too juicy of an opportunity.
the poor souls on the plane(s) were just “collateral”, as the americans say.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 24 2024 12:11 utc | 238
In short, Russia asked for permission to fly with prisoners (because they can’t fly without permission?), nato said ok then made fun of them and shot down the plane.
” Il-76 crashed at about 11.00 Moscow time in the Belgorod region. On board the fallen Il-76 there were 65 captured military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces transported to the Belgorod region for exchange, 6 members of the aircraft crew and 3 accompanying persons, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported.
Following was another Il-76 with 80 prisoners on board, it was turned around.
The Ukrainian side was informed about the route of the plane with prisoners. The first Il-76 was shot down by three Patriot or Iris-T missiles, State Duma deputy Evgeny Popov reports, citing the head of the State Duma military committee Kartapolov”
Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2024 12:19 utc | 239
The message is quit clear to the Ukr armed forces. There is no hiding place, if you surrender we will kill you – period.
Between the mad dog Zionists, the mad dog Nazis et Al in Ukraine and the lunatics 8n the US, UK and EU / NATO supporting them this has to end now by whatever means necessary.
Posted by: Al Dossary | Jan 24 2024 12:23 utc | 240
Senator Viktor Bondarev, former commander-in-chief of the Russian Armed Forces: There is no doubt that the plane was shot down. According to the video, which is presented in telegram channels, we can see a characteristic black and gray cloud and a characteristic trace of a missile.
I can’t say specifically yet – maybe one or two or three, maybe more. The commission that flew there will look into this, and everything will be clear there. But the fact that the plane was shot down is 100% clear, visible and understandable. Plus the crew had time to report: there was an external impact.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86495
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2024 12:26 utc | 241
“We shot down a Russian plane”
“We didn’t shoot down anything”:
The art of editing headlines in Ukrainian media.
“>https://twitter.com/DagnyTaggart963/status/1750110616713400814
It merely confirms the headline and news generation is directed by Budanov and Nuland. They reported the truth first about downing AFU POW plane (because the media was not yet coordinated of what to report), then after half an hour changed it to the ‘POW plane had crashed’. Because the first headline does not serve the purpose of blaming RUAF but rather implicates AFU for killing its own people.
It’s now confirmed it was shot down by a Patriot missile from between Kharkov and Belgorod.
Regardless, loss of an aircraft is an loss of an aircraft. Either way, you have to wonder why they wouldn’t use trains or busses to move POWs around. Maybe they just thought it’s fastest to use plane if timely manner is needed.
If you think of this from Zelensky’s or Nuland’s perspective, it’s obvious they don’t want POWs back in Ukraine, because those POWs were with a high probability force-drafted. They were ‘supposed’ to die in the trench. That they get back to business with the mobilizing personnel can result bad things.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2024 12:29 utc | 242
Justpassinby | Jan 24 2024 11:42 utc | 235
“keep in mind, those ukrainian pow are most probably native russians or of russian heritage, likely forcefully conscripted by the kievan thugs.”
You think Putin was forcibly handing press-ganged Russians back to the Ukronazi thugs? That’s the most anti-Putin thing I’ve heard yet.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 24 2024 12:31 utc | 243
(…) it’s obvious they don’t want POWs back in Ukraine, because those POWs were with a high probability force-drafted. They were ‘supposed’ to die in the trench. That they get back to business with the mobilizing personnel can result bad things.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2024 12:29 utc | 243
Spot on. There is no way these POW would have been allowed to go back to their units, spreading the news that they were well fed and well treated by the russians during their captivity, while ordinary UAF forced conscripts are harassed, insulted and threatened every day by their masters.
Posted by: Pierrot | Jan 24 2024 12:33 utc | 244
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 24 2024 11:47 utc | 236
No. I don’t think so. Simply Ukraine and NATO are desperate for some ‘victory’ to feed to citizens and, to shadowbanned trolls to feed the red lines weakness of RF, of course.
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 12:34 utc | 245
Doesn’t matter who was in the plane Ukros, Russians, Elephants,…..only whats counts the RUSSIAN plane was
Shoot down by WESTERN PARTNERS and Mr Red Line will
Pay them back in Africa.
What a liberal weakling. His western partners re active in war with Russia and this loser is babbeling something about „active defence“, „denazification“, …..blablabla…..
Meanwhile more & more russians getting slaughtered by his western partners.
They re stealing russian assets & killing russian civilians and mr red line with lavrov speaking last few days lots about negotiations
INSANE!!!!
‼️🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇦💥✈️🇷🇺 The first Il-76 was shot down by three Patriot or Iris-T missiles, State Duma deputy Evgeny Popov reports, citing the head of the State Duma military committee Popov.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 24 2024 12:39 utc | 246
Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 7:52 utc | 96
Reporter’s question:
– Putin signed an executive order declaring the sale of Alaska to the United States in 1983 illegal. How do you respond to this?
US State Department Deputy Press Secretary Vedant Patel:
“Let me get this straight. Did he sign a document stating that the sale of Alaska is illegal?
– yes.
“I think I can say for all of us in the U.S. government: of course, he won’t get it back.
“>https://t.me/jnb_news/42504
This just goes to show that Martyanov is right after all – people in the USA are simply too stupid!
the link from “too scents” in | Jan 23 2024 9:32 utc shows that this is all ridiculous
https://youtu.be/i4Z9g7BOEt8?t=119
imaging:
– some “journalist” claims something ( can’t even get the year right )and asks a US “diplomat” about his comments
– of course this stodgy us “diplomat” knows nothing about the subject and just starts drooling (instead of verifying the claim first)
https://t.me/jnb_news/42312 vom Jan 19 at 18:45
correctly reports on the TASS message of 19.01.2024 —–> NOT a word about Alaska
https://t.me/jnb_news/42504 reports on 23.01.2024 about the
“…Реакция “цивилизованного мира” на…” = the reaction of the “civilized world” to …..https://t.me/jnb_news/42312
with the post by too scents | Jan 23 2024 7:52 utc we have the dissemination of “fake news” here; despite correct initial data !
AND then there’s the Theo creature | Jan 23 2024 10:16 utc
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a summary
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/putin-alaska-illegal/
Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 24 2024 12:48 utc | 247
Simply Ukraine and NATO are desperate for some ‘victory’ to feed to citizens and, to shadowbanned trolls to feed the red lines weakness of RF, of course.
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 12:34 utc | 246
It depends. The plane was shot down inside Russia, right? Then it is a “victory”, shooting down planes inside Russia. Knowing how stupid Ukr are, maybe they wanted to shoot down the plane on its way back, after prisoners were exchanged and the plane filled only with Russians, and made a mistake from too much white powders. Anyway, I would call “victory” the fooling the mentally deficient Russian commanders/generals to fly a plane alone at the border so it can be shot down.
The only real loss is the Russian crew, the plane itself not much.
Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2024 12:54 utc | 248
maybe that plane had some nato pow on board and was deliberately set up to be shot down.
or maybe nato decided to destroy the evidence of “not ukrainian looking” pow that would be publicly available after the exchange was done.
who knows.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 24 2024 13:03 utc | 249
Sheer incompetence on the part of the Russians.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240124/russias-il-76-crashed-in-belgorod-region-was-shot-down-by-two-ukrainian-missiles—defense-ministry-1116357897.html
Posted by: Surferket | Jan 24 2024 13:08 utc | 250
The Ukros shot down the plane to signal their troops in the trenches, “Surrender, and you’ll die.”
Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 24 2024 13:46 utc | 251
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/97378
🇺🇦🏴☠️🏥🇵🇱🏴☠️🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺 Doctors report that in Kharkov, wounded foreigners are being treated in the surgical department of city hospital No. 3 (Novobavarsky district).
The territory of the department is isolated for civilians. There have been a lot of military people in the hospital lately.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 24 2024 14:21 utc | 252
Surferket | Jan 24 2024 13:08 utc | 251
Fighting the US is not like fighting goat herders.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 14:42 utc | 253
I agree with unimperator
it’s obvious they don’t want POWs back in Ukraine, because those POWs were with a high probability force-drafted. They were ‘supposed’ to die in the trench. That they get back to business with the mobilizing personnel can result bad things.
The nazi’s have brain washed the average Ukroid into thinking the Russians will kill them if they surrender. POW’s returning and saying they were treated well is bad for business.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 14:48 utc | 254
Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2024 12:54 utc | 249
Shooting down a plane that afu known, in advance the routing and that it was transporting afu pow is like shooting on the red cross. Great victory just for usuk trolls.
Posted by: Mario | Jan 24 2024 14:57 utc | 255
So based on both statements from RU and UA MoD it seems indeed that the plane was shot down by Ukraine. It shows again (and again) that these people just don’t care about their own cattle soldiers as long as they do some damage. Shocking the level of propaganda that these people (in Ukraine) are fed on a daily basis.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jan 24 2024 15:06 utc | 256
Great victory just for usuk trolls.
@Mario | Jan 24 2024 14:57 utc | 256
But Ukr made the flight path! They wanted prisoners delivered at some location, at a time. Since Russian prisoners still exist in hundreds, caused by always being highly outnumbered and using bad strategies from bad generals, they accepted as anyone would. And boom. Now they can’t fly over Belgorod, not different from the Black Sea fleet which can’t park in Crimea anymore.
You must come here from the church of taxi driver Martyanov, so I suggest you go back to his blog where only worshipers of Gerasimov and Shoigu are allowed to post.
Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2024 15:14 utc | 257
Interesting background to prisoner exchange. Probably there is one (somewhat moderate) faction that wants to conduct prisoner exchanges on the basis of historical norms and another (terrorists) faction backed by western extremists that is able to move antiaircraft systems up to the Russian border, just as it moves artillery systems to within range of Belgorod, with the result we now see.
https://t.me/geromanat/18503
🇷🇺🇺🇦 It is an indisputable fact, as Kartopolov stated, that the future exchanges of prisoners of war are in jeopardy. The Ukrainian side, which has repeatedly sabotaged exchanges, is primarily interested in this.
▪️ They regularly deceive and mislead others, even when the lists have been agreed upon.
▪️ During the exchange on January 3, only four out of the promised thirty Russian captured officers were handed over.
▪️ People who have been in captivity for more than six months were not approved for release.
▪️ The total number of Russian military personnel in captivity is up to 1,200 people.
📌Meanwhile, about 5-10% of the individuals presented as prisoners have not been seen by any of the respondents.
🔻In the West-1 camp in the western part of what is called Ukraine, a couple of prisoners of war regularly disappear each month.
▪️ They do not join the ranks of the extremists of the RDK or the Russian Freedom Legion. Such successfully recruited Russians are always demonstratively brought and shown to former cellmates, urging them to make the “right choice.”
▪️ Among the returned prisoners, this is explained by lynching and the targeted elimination of certain captured Russian military personnel by local authorities. They say that someone from the camp administration is doing this on a small scale to avoid making too much noise.
#Russia Ukraine
@rybar
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 24 2024 15:16 utc | 258
Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
The United States is distancing itself from the war with Russia in Ukraine, shifting this responsibility to Europe.
“Due to a lack of funding, the United States cannot help Ukraine with the repair of weapons already provided”. This was stated by the representative of the American defense department, Patrick Ryder.
“Additionally, without additional funding, we cannot provide systems and equipment to meet medium- and long-term needs and help them maintain the systems we have previously provided,” Ryder said.
UK/Ukr …. desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. What passes for MoD in Ukr saying they shot the planes down as it was carrying S-300 missiles. Semi intelligent bullshit is not required for the western woke. Any bullshit will do. Same goes for the average Ukroid.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 15:19 utc | 259
There’s a logical and effective retaliation to such Ukronazi / NATO treachery.
Hamas should be supplied with anti-aircraft missiles.
Which the zio-appeasers in the Kremlin are rather unlikely to do.
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 24 2024 15:35 utc | 260
This is an absurd reaction from Medvedev.
It doesn’t matter if even Zelensky, Zaluzhny, Biden and Nuland were all on that plane together, plus 50 of the most evil WEF globalists, and that PAC-3 missile did humanity a major service by taking them out.
The important thing is that NATO openly and brazenly shot down a plane over central Russia.
A brutal violation of any conceivable red line.
What is Russia going to do about this? I have said it many times that we have long arrived at the point where it should not be possible for Western politicians and members of the oligarchy class to leave North America and Western Europe — they should be actively hunted with lethal intent. And not just by Russia — STUF about that mushy brained multipolarity and form an actual military coalition to stop these lunatics.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 15:50 utc | 261
There’s a logical and effective retaliation to such Ukronazi / NATO treachery.
Hamas should be supplied with anti-aircraft missiles.
Which the zio-appeasers in the Kremlin are rather unlikely to do.
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 24 2024 15:35 utc | 262
A lot more can be done.
There should be well positioned people with MANPADS near all airports with Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and even Western Europe and the US (where internal security is completely degraded because they think they are untouchable). In fact, use the MANPADS that the US and the UK provided Ukraine and that Russia captured — that would be poetic justice.
And start shooting down the planes of the politicians and the private jets of the billionaire class.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 15:54 utc | 262
rpst | Jan 24 2024 15:23 utc | 261
Medvedev:
Great, now the losers (without any plan) explain us the world. Soon Zelensky will come and explain us the economy.
Russians are dying evry day because of these idiots and they tell us more of their philosophies.
Posted by: theo | Jan 24 2024 15:55 utc | 263
It is starting to look like either US or UK has introduced a long range SAM missiles that are taking out large aircraft at long distances. Possibly a small stock of S-300 being used but no mention of it so unlikely. Doomers celebrating.
UK strategy is to hit soft targets behind the lines trying to create dissent ahead of Rus presidential elections. Fools have never studied Putin.If he sees a need for something, everything is prepared then he waits until the majority are demanding that move. Possibly not the case this time, but if it is, the Brits will be hit hard will be hit hard.
Like with the CIA Chechen ‘freedom fighters’, Brits responsible for terrorist strikes will be hunted down and killed. With the strike on the Brit HQ in Kaharkov, very much a private war going on between Rus and Brits.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 15:58 utc | 264
The MoA empire election thread…. I was talking to a relative not long back who asked me who would win the US election. I said Trump fills stadiums.
The Euro twits are screaming disaster if Trump wins. Brits will be the same as they are focused on Europe with a Mackinder mindset. The Biden faction the same. Brits and Euro’s all talking war with Russia. Some commentators have been talking war to cancel US elections. Everything now taking that shape.
The Brits and Euro’s working with the Biden or Biden backer faction in the US are just as likely to kick off a war against Russia just to derail US elections.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 16:08 utc | 265
It gets worse:
https://t.me/yurasumy/12777
The Il-76 disaster: someone really wanted to kill the main negotiators from Russia.
Very important information, which also fits well with my version , that all this was planned by the “British”, who were upset by the activity of the “Americans” in Ukraine and began to confuse their plans to the war until the last Ukrainian… And that is why they decided to strike this blow:
“Representatives of the negotiation group of the Russian Defense Ministry – State Duma deputy Shamsail Saraliev and General Sergei Egorov – were supposed to fly on the downed board.”
And according to my data, this is completely true. Their flight was canceled by accident, and those who planned the terrorist attack (and this is a terrorist attack) could not know this. That is, someone wanted to disrupt everything thoroughly and completely…
So they didn’t just attack the plane, but thought that a member of the Duma and a Russian general were on the plane too.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 16:08 utc | 266
This is laughable:
Statements by State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin:
— The State Duma will prepare an appeal to the US Congress and the German Bundestag in connection with the Il-76 crash.
– Deputies of Western governments must finally see the light – who they help, must realize their responsibility.
— They shot their own soldiers in the air, their own. There their mothers were waiting, their wives were waiting, their children were waiting.
“Our pilots, who were carrying out a humanitarian mission, were shot defenseless.
An appeal? Seriously?
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 16:10 utc | 267
Ukies have been attacking across the entire front for 2 days. They are now using the same tactics as us. They want to force us to move our reserves back and forth like they have had to do in the last few weeks. Unfortunately, they are successful at some points. They have all the weapons and there is no shortage of them (statement from one of our soldiers with whom I am in contact) and there are enough personnel. Don’t be misled by western propaganda articles.
Please stop thinking that the enemy is getting weaker. No he won’t, he’ll get stronger. There have also been huge deliveries of weapons in the last few weeks and months. Just look at how many planes landed in Poland with military equipment and weapons on board. It’s just that the whole thing is no longer announced publicly. As long as the enemy is shelling Belgorod, Donetsk and other border regions with hundreds of projectiles every day, everyone can be sure that there is enough artillery and MLRS available.
There will still be very, very difficult times. We should pray for our fighters at the front and wish them good luck. The enemy will launch flesh attacks at many points on the front, as he is doing now in Avdeevka. The enemy doesn’t care about losses at all. The best example of this is today’s shooting down of the plane.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 16:15 utc | 268
Footage of the Avdiivka invasion tunnel.
This is footage of the same pipe through which the attack aircraft of the brigade of” Veterans “of the Volunteer Corps penetrated the “Tsar’s Hunt”. The object was discovered a year ago by intelligence officers, all this time the details of the operation and its preparation were kept secret. Work on sawing out passages in the pipe was accompanied by active artillery and mortar fire, thereby drowning out the noise from the work being carried out. The first attempt was unsuccessful. The reason was not enough oxygen and had to make additional ventilation pits. Then the flood flooded the pipe with water. And only now the “Veterans” were able to implement this daring operation. The fighters went to the rear of the enemy and cut off most of the fortifications near Avdiivka, while taking a group of AFU fighters prisoner.
Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2024 16:23 utc | 269
I have a saying that I try to apply consistently: “never assume that what happened is based on hostile intent when it can be more readily explained by incompetence or stupidity”. It has helped me not too harshly judge those around me.
From what I can see, the AFU command structure is not entirely sound. Perhaps this was an example of a missile unit commander not being told about the incoming PoW transport and thinking, “gee, I can down a Russian plane, woo hoo!”
MH17 is proof that AFU SAM crews (or Su-25, depending on your story) lack critical identification friend or foe discrimination.
From the other perspective, the previous incidents of AFU targeting their own PoWs makes an intentional shoot down credible as well.
Either way it’s not a good look for 404 and further illustrates the senselessness of the current conflict and makes it hard for me to control my anger against those in the West who are enabling the continued death and destruction all over the world.
The disjointedness of the initial Ukie response makes me lean toward the accident scenario. If the story about the two VIP riders who were supposed to be on the plane is true, that would lend more credence toward an intentional act. We may never know what really happened.
Posted by: mtw | Jan 24 2024 17:25 utc | 270
Don’t be surprised next you’ll read plane with Putin shot down on flight to Belarus.
Posted by: Surferket | Jan 24 2024 18:40 utc | 271
At 201 bevin. Its total clown world garbage the way you insist on denigrating any and all who have a differnt opinion than u on anything here.
I get that you are very knowledgeable and appretiate most of your posts. The constant antisemite/fascist/troll smears say less and less about your targets and sooooomuch more about you. Imo. You aound like my wife who thinks anyone who doesnt tow the party line is a new putinhitler. It was along time ago. Dungroanin and others who use their own minds to arrive at conclusions on their own are worth more than a higher education used as a cudgel is. Am well aware you may have already scripted me out for your QOL issues
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jan 24 2024 18:41 utc | 272
There is a mobile Ukr unit that no one contacts so it’s position is not exposed. There is a possibility it was this group that did in the IL 76. As commented considering the disjointed Ukr remarks possibly a hideous accident.
But there is no Ukr retreat from Avdeevka you will come under fire from your own mob. Unless this too is panicky accident.
And Kiev Kyiv even Russian military seem to use both and personally I think worrying about it is a waste of brain cells.
Replying to shаdοwbanned, poster David in his post of Jan 24 2024 3:35 said this:
If idiots, like you [shadowbanned] an girkin, would be able to administrate
the Country, in a week would be the whore land of the incompetents.
Everybody wants more destruction, but it’s clear that it’s not and never be the case.
While I agree that girkin (new) and shadowbanned (old) are destructive and might look idiotic at the first sight, I heartfully disagree that ‘shadowbanned’ ENTITY is simply an idiot.
No, sir.
Idiots DO NOT (and supposedly COULD not) post such a host of long, unsolicited, repeating messages of sophistry and theatrics rife of FALSE russian patriotism, which (in almost every instance) ends in disparagement/despise of everything that Russia does.
No sir! The ‘shadowbanned’ ENTITY willfully invades discussion threads on @MoA connected to RUSSIA, with the purpose to interrupt, subvert, derail (by number/length of messages and replies) any reasonable, meaningful discourse.
(All BOLDED and [square bracketed] text in citations is by LongCovid. For some ideas about who/what shadowbanned ENTITY might really be see my earlier post on “MoA ukraine-open-thread-2024-23”.)
Cheers.
Posted by: LongCovid | Jan 25 2024 8:38 utc | 274
If Escobar is correct then US/UK or perhaps France or Germany is using a new SAM missile in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1750236415688839640
“The sources also said Kiev used a new type of missile they didn’t have before – with a 100km+ range.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 25 2024 8:46 utc | 275
Russian build up for war. 300,000 mobilized. 450,000 volunteers. Plus the new force to face Finland Sweden. Addition of one million on top of pre SMO 1.2 million combat forces.
Many analysts thinking the Brit Euro war talk is all noise for the masses, but like the vaunted offensive towards Crimea, Russia is taking it seriously.
The Euro twits wont know what hit them if they are stupid enough to launch their ‘diverse’ tranny forces against Russia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 25 2024 9:09 utc | 276