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January 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-025
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Add some geo-political context here. Washington needs to “fix” Russia along the NATO-Ukraine frontier znd away from the looming Middle-East war front. That is the job the US likely asks the European leaders and NATO to work on. Posted by: rk | Jan 23 2024 9:12 utc | 101 Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 7:52 utc | 96 Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 23 2024 9:22 utc | 102 fake news, the version you regurgitated here Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 9:32 utc | 103 Ministry of Defence of Estonia had publicated a plan for an Ukrainian victory in 2026. Well, Estonia in 1.5 million powerfull state and also strange one, most of neighbours have a jokes about estonians. Numbers is not an actual army but the total population. Posted by: Alef | Jan 23 2024 9:34 utc | 104 Well Austin is apparently back at work – at home. Russia is apparently flying along the Israel Syria border. Scholz blames Russia for his energy crisis and his party hacks seem to accept this. The EU is preparing for Russia to invade even though they haven’t left Donetsk. The Houthi are telling the USUK they are not scared of WWlll, but I think I am. It’s a really f@&k@d up world we live in but we in the west need this war – apparently – to hide our economic and social collapse as we can’t think of what else to do. Here is the script that moves post’s author name in top of comment. Posted by: aletsan | Jan 23 2024 9:48 utc | 106 1 & 4 Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 23 2024 9:51 utc | 107 scents | Jan 23 2024 7:52 utc | 96
This liberal kleptomaniac kremel talkmaster is slowly getting embarrassed. Posted by: theo | Jan 23 2024 10:16 utc | 108 Inki | Jan 23 2024 9:47 utc | 104 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 10:27 utc | 109 For a long time now the Rus military had been talking about Russian moves on the frontline as position. The goal of this is now starting to take shape in the form of numerous small firebags, further increasing the effectiveness of the eradication of Ukroids. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 10:38 utc | 110 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 10:38 utc | 109 Posted by: RB | Jan 23 2024 10:58 utc | 111 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 10:38 utc | 109 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 11:09 utc | 112 My friend Misha in Kiev informs me that it is still easy to bribe your way out of conscription, as long as you still have money. The moment you don’t have it, though, you’re done. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 23 2024 11:42 utc | 113 Accoring to the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, the U.S. is setting up a colonial administration in Ukraine, filling government with people who have studied in the U.S. Posted by: Passerby | Jan 23 2024 12:04 utc | 114 I wonder why those fire bags are not closed. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 12:05 utc | 115 The majority of adds on youtube now seem to be for Ukraines main export. The blurb for one such ‘sponsored video’. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 12:10 utc | 116 @RB 110 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 23 2024 12:16 utc | 117 NATO is going to hold the largest military exercise EVER ??? Is this meant to hide/to postpone the confroantation with the fact that NATO has lost/is losing the war in Ukraine ??? Posted by: WMG | Jan 23 2024 12:29 utc | 118 An idea that The West is weak is delusion. At this moment they cannot wage ground war but the population of Eastern Europe would be good enough for this. Poland is an immense reservoir of such would be soldiers. Posted by: zorge | Jan 23 2024 12:46 utc | 119 They do not care about their population. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 23 2024 12:50 utc | 120 Posted by: aletsan | Jan 23 2024 9:48 utc | 105 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 23 2024 12:55 utc | 121 Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 23 2024 12:16 utc | 116 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 12:58 utc | 122 Thank you Babel-17. Posted by: aletsan | Jan 23 2024 13:26 utc | 123 The Western elites are not afraid, contrary to the Russian oligarchs. They do not care about their population. Specially Anglo Saxons (their elites) who never experienced a social revolution still have that aristocratic mindset. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 23 2024 13:42 utc | 124 https://t.me/ZandVchannel/97255
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/99288
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 23 2024 14:20 utc | 125
Quite accurate Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 14:44 utc | 126
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Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 14:46 utc | 127
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 15:01 utc | 128 shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 14:44 utc | 126: Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 23 2024 15:03 utc | 129 Posted by: aletsan | Jan 23 2024 13:26 utc | 123 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 23 2024 15:10 utc | 130 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 14:44 utc | 126 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 15:16 utc | 131
Complete framing. This is how the US will sell their defeat to its people: America and NATO got their ass kicked, but it’s Russia who lost, because she killed so many Ukranians. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jan 23 2024 15:20 utc | 132 Philip Roddis quotes Andrew Korybko today on the meaning of that strike on French “mercenaries” in Ukraine. He calls it a massive blow to France’s prestige. To put that in perspective, it follows a year in which France was pretty comprehensively kicked out of West Africa by the natives. More than a blow to ‘prestige’ that had a substantial economic cost for France’s predatory ruling class. Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 15:40 utc | 133 The Living Legend Lavrov Lets Loose: Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 23 2024 16:10 utc | 134 How is public France going to conceal the death of 60 people in the army? Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 23 2024 16:27 utc | 135 @ Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 15:40 utc | 133 Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 23 2024 16:30 utc | 136 The Russian forces in the south of Avdeevka used a several kilometer long tunnel or pipe (unknown to the Ukrainians) to enter the urban district in the sw portion of the city in force. They surprised the Ukrainians, beat back reinforcements and disrupted the rotation process, and cut off the forces in the air defense base to the south which they then captured. Quite an effective operation. Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 23 2024 16:39 utc | 137 the pessimist @ 137
Latest Dima does a very good job laying out that battle, this time worth watching. Saw on TG that the tunnel was 80cm, imaging crawling with equipment through that for 2Km, something like 100 men went through. One day Ruskies will make a movie, hopefully it’ll play in theaters across the west. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 23 2024 17:14 utc | 138
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 23 2024 17:20 utc | 139 “The majority of adds on youtube now seem to be for Ukraines main export. The blurb for one such ‘sponsored video’. Posted by: Not Ewe | Jan 23 2024 17:23 utc | 140 Biden postponed the State of the Union Address until March 7. This is to give the neocons an extra month to end the Ukraine war. He’ll declare “victory” for “stopping Putin from conquering Ukraine” and then move on. Most people will forget there was a Ukraine war by 2 weeks later. The Ukraine War is a big problem for the Dems, and they need it well shutdown before the election. Posted by: JackG | Jan 23 2024 17:27 utc | 141 It seems to me that the subject of war between Russia and US is no longer a matter of “if” – Biden has in fact started war with Russia. Posted by: jared | Jan 23 2024 17:30 utc | 142 @ JackG | Jan 23 2024 17:27 utc | 141 Posted by: kvp | Jan 23 2024 18:02 utc | 143 Posted by: JackG | Jan 23 2024 17:27 utc | 141 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 18:06 utc | 144 How is public France going to conceal the death of 60 people in the army? Posted by: Naive | Jan 23 2024 18:41 utc | 145 Apparently the French were hit in Kharkov again. French defense ministry officials as well as more mercenaries were struck in Kharkov, as they were receiving back unidentified French mercenary bodies. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 18:47 utc | 146 Please no. This platform is low tech with a purpose. Otherwise we will be tracked and identified. No anonymous posting anymore. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 23 2024 19:02 utc | 147 Marianna Vyshemirskaya speaks of her experience when she was used by the ukronazi propaganda as a pregnant woman in Mariupol. She will vote for Putin. Posted by: Naive | Jan 23 2024 19:11 utc | 148 Promo video for defender 24, the largest Nato exercise since end of cold war. Exercise in which article 5 has been triggered. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 19:13 utc | 149 He’s back(?) This snippet of boilerplate drivel could have been made any time, this is Austin’s return to form? Face seems a littler thinner though, what a weird confused, confusing country the USA has become: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 23 2024 19:31 utc | 150 The theft has begun.
Once this is over, unless the west is a glow in the dark sheet of glass, it will be repaying everything it has stolen. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 19:31 utc | 151 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 23 2024 19:02 utc | 147 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 23 2024 19:39 utc | 152 @ unimperator | Jan 23 2024 18:47 utc | 146 with the report of the new strikes on those forces that France say don’t exist….. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 23 2024 19:45 utc | 153 The pessimist @ 137 @canuck | Jan 23 2024 19:54 utc | 154 Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 20:00 utc | 155 canuck | Jan 23 2024 19:54 utc | 154 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:02 utc | 156 by Sam | Jan 23 2024 0:51 utc | 75 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 23 2024 20:03 utc | 157 Nowadays there is absolutely no way one can have a multi-part multilateral discussion remotely. Except here. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 23 2024 20:09 utc | 158 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 18:47 utc | 146 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 23 2024 20:15 utc | 159 I’m surprised that Dima hasn’t been deplatformed, but maybe greed wins over fellating the MIC over at Google. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 23 2024 20:17 utc | 160 whirlX | Jan 23 2024 20:03 utc | 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:22 utc | 161 Does anyone else find it odd that there has been no mention by the leaders of the Russian Federation concerning the 100 anniversary of the founder of the Russian Federations death. This blog has also been remarkably silent. Posted by: zargo | Jan 23 2024 20:23 utc | 162 Ghost of Zanon | Jan 23 2024 20:17 utc | 160 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:27 utc | 163 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 18:47 utc | 146 Posted by: Micron | Jan 23 2024 20:30 utc | 164 I think the Biden administration is nauseous over the idea that the United Nations International Court of Justice might decide it’s worth the time to investigate if Israel has created genocidal conditions in Palestine, at the same time its proxy army in Ukraine is getting obliterated by Russian led forces, and while the Houthi thumb their nose at American might, and openly hamper shipping in protest of Israel’s genocide. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 23 2024 20:34 utc | 165 WMG | Jan 23 2024 12:29 utc | 118 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 23 2024 20:41 utc | 166 “My friend Misha in Kiev informs me that it is still easy to bribe your way out of conscription, as long as you still have money. The moment you don’t have it, though, you’re done. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 23 2024 20:46 utc | 167 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:02 utc | 156 Posted by: Naive | Jan 23 2024 20:48 utc | 168 “How is public France going to conceal the death of 60 people in the army? Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 23 2024 20:49 utc | 169 Naive | Jan 23 2024 20:48 utc | 168 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:57 utc | 170 But the fact Russia has gone out of its way to avoid giving NATO a casus belli is clear proof they fear the reaction. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 23 2024 20:59 utc | 171 zorge | Jan 23 2024 12:46 utc | 119 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 23 2024 21:10 utc | 172 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 23 2024 20:59 utc | 171 Posted by: Naive | Jan 23 2024 21:18 utc | 173 @164 Posted by: Mario | Jan 23 2024 21:22 utc | 174 Posted by: Micron | Jan 23 2024 20:30 utc | 164 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 23 2024 21:33 utc | 175 @169 : Absolutely correct! Remember, Medvedev was right when he recently qualified the frenchies as connards! 85% of the french population are morons, They are just happy with McDo, Netflix, an unpaid Tesla or a pick-up! Remember 80 years ago, there were 15% resistants either Communist and/or Gaullist, the others were supporting Petain and the Boches. They are like the ostriches, burying their head in the sand! I’m not proud to be french! Posted by: Berenkopf | Jan 23 2024 21:36 utc | 176 by Mike R | Jan 23 2024 20:15 utc | 159 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 23 2024 21:41 utc | 177 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 23 2024 11:42 utc | 113 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 23 2024 7:12 utc | 93 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 23 2024 21:56 utc | 179 Donbass coal miners, who make up part of the DPR militia, now part of the Russian forces, have dug two other tunnels recently, as I recall, in order to bypass parts of Kiev regime forces embedded on their land in Adeevka. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 23 2024 21:57 utc | 180 Posted by: Micron | Jan 23 2024 20:30 utc | 164 wagelaborer | Jan 23 2024 21:57 utc | 180 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 22:14 utc | 182 The multi-polar world … each for himself. Posted by: Richard L | Jan 23 2024 22:27 utc | 183 I have criticized Putin for not responding to NATO crossing of Russian red lines throughout this conflict. However, after the Belgorod cluster munitions attack and the possibly downing of the A-50 the gloves seem to have come off. Ukraine has become a dangerous place now for western military “advisors/mercenaries”. Posted by: silverdog | Jan 23 2024 22:40 utc | 184 “You cannot hide anything anymore” Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 23 2024 22:49 utc | 185 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 22:14 utc | 182 Posted by: watcher | Jan 23 2024 23:42 utc | 186 Apparently the EU decided against the seizure of RF central bank assets, it’s a losing proposition in every way. Another bluff called by the RF. Russians are now patrolling the skies over Syria, they just upped the ante against the USA, let’s see if Netanyahu is crazier than the Europeans and goes to war with Russia to further USA plans. It’s ok to spend the cookie jar money but never bet the farm. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 23 2024 23:45 utc | 187 164 Posted by: SlowSoft | Jan 24 2024 0:15 utc | 188 Posted by: bevin | Jan 23 2024 15:40 utc | 133 Posted by: Jacko.Blanchard | Jan 24 2024 0:27 utc | 189 by Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2024 20:22 utc | 161 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 24 2024 0:30 utc | 190 Phew. A normalish thread. Thanks all. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 24 2024 0:45 utc | 191 A “Dreamtime” should ring a bell to Australians, not? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 1:01 utc | 192 But the fact Russia has gone out of its way to avoid giving NATO a casus belli is clear proof they fear the reaction. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 24 2024 1:14 utc | 193 by DunGroanin | Jan 24 2024 0:45 utc | 191 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 24 2024 1:20 utc | 194 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 24 2024 1:01 utc | 192 Posted by: watcher | Jan 24 2024 1:48 utc | 195 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jan 24 2024 1:52 utc | 196 by watcher | Jan 24 2024 1:48 utc | 195 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 24 2024 2:18 utc | 197 “..I have figured out over recent years that there was something askew with the Bolshevik ‘Revolution’. It was obviously externally coordinated – as the ‘Color’ things have been over the decades since…” Posted by: bevin | Jan 24 2024 2:44 utc | 198
Russia will never flatten Kiev (spell it right, please). They already had to destroy it once in 1943, and it was a much smaller city then. They have no intention of doing it again. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:45 utc | 199
Such an agreement is absurd though. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 24 2024 2:47 utc | 200 |
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