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January 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-025
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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This is current typical thinking in the NATO, from Slavyangrad forwarded by Geroman (that tells the time) X:
Yes, definitely invited to try. Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 16:19 utc | 1 What is likely to happen to the average American’s mindset when Russia wins? Posted by: team10tim | Jan 22 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Slavyangrad has a link on how huge the Open Society Soros-linked mafia has become, posted just now around 16:35 UK time. Posted by: Augusto Pi | Jan 22 2024 16:37 utc | 3
And who is going to stop them? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 22 2024 16:51 utc | 4 Afternoon all, Posted by: extremebuilder | Jan 22 2024 17:12 utc | 5 And who is going to stop them? Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 22 2024 17:15 utc | 6 Idiot Zelensky continues to send ukrainians to slaughter in Krynki across the Dnieper. Posted by: Psycho | Jan 22 2024 17:16 utc | 7 “We’ve had two solid years of wildly inaccurate propaganda filling western minds with garbage.” Posted by: Not Ewe | Jan 22 2024 17:25 utc | 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXqNfF4-IlI Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 22 2024 17:25 utc | 9 Posted by: team10tim | Jan 22 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 17:41 utc | 10 @ Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 16:19 utc | 1 Posted by: Richaard L | Jan 22 2024 17:51 utc | 11 by shаdοwbanned | Jan 22 2024 16:51 utc | 4 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 17:52 utc | 12 fwiw I have the script thing that lets me block users (only show their handles with a line through them), and have blocked some people (for posting BS), and then I open this thread and 3 of the first 4 the text is not showing. A new record, sort of. Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Jan 22 2024 18:08 utc | 13 by JustSomeOldGuy | Jan 22 2024 18:08 utc | 13 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 18:17 utc | 14 Sorry, my last comment about blocking commenters was too harsh. I should have stopped after the 1st paragraph and just linked to the script (which needs also a extension like Tampermonkey) Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Jan 22 2024 18:18 utc | 15 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 17:52 utc | 12 Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 18:19 utc | 16 did you mean decades or generations? Posted by: team10tim | Jan 22 2024 18:20 utc | 17
Posted by: Down South | Jan 22 2024 18:22 utc | 18 Question is, why are they lying? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 18:23 utc | 20 by Naive | Jan 22 2024 18:19 utc | 16 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 18:25 utc | 21 Posted by: team10tim | Jan 22 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 18:34 utc | 22 Eighthman @ 9 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 18:45 utc | 23 Scott Ritter has said it a gazillion times – no one in the US cares about Ukraine any more than the CNN tells them to care about it. And CNN cares about Ukraine only to the point it’s useful to the MIC complex, which it soon won’t be. Posted by: Not Ewe | Jan 22 2024 18:47 utc | 24 Lavrov speaks: Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 18:53 utc | 25 Eighthmann, Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 22 2024 18:54 utc | 26
What is likely to happen? Absolutely nothing. First of all, the US media will not tell the public that Russia has won, and if they are not told, it never happened. Anything can be spun to look like something it isn’t. Second, the US public (speaking in broad generalities here) will only be outraged over what happens in other countries if they are told to be outraged by the propaganda machine. Otherwise, they just don’t give a fig. The only thing that will generate grass roots outrage in the American public is if all the goodies they have been used to having are no longer in reach. When they can’t buy a loaded pickup truck with all the bells and whistles or afford to put gas in it, then you will see real outrage. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 22 2024 18:56 utc | 27 by Ghost of Zanon | Jan 22 2024 18:54 utc | 26 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 19:08 utc | 28
US has a tendency to hide things that aren’t to its favor. Even if someone hit the US congress with a missile, they would simply say a Comet hit it, if they don’t think their MIC could benefit from that particular war. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 19:30 utc | 29 @29 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 19:35 utc | 30 Ghost of Zanon @ 26 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 19:37 utc | 31 Big Israel Border Bulletin, Jan 22
President of Ukraine initiates a key bill that will enable the introduction of multiple citizenship
The Russian language was deprived of its rights indefinitely (09.12.23), COE.int Convention for the Protection of National Minorities (01.02.98)
I warned y’all about shipping European war ‘fugees with rotten beefs to the “New World.” It’s a bad habit. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 22 2024 19:38 utc | 32 reply to 29 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 22 2024 19:42 utc | 33 «He believes that the more ordinary people die, the faster victory will come. As an example, he cited the destruction of half of the population of the “Third Reich” and the dropping of atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Ukrainian army should behave in the same way, because the enemy’s aggression can be stopped by even greater aggression.» Posted by: Blissex | Jan 22 2024 19:46 utc | 34 Posted by: team10tim | Jan 22 2024 16:35 utc | 2
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/99244 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 22 2024 20:01 utc | 36 Declaration by Churchill in a speech on 14 july 1941: Posted by: Honzo | Jan 22 2024 20:10 utc | 37 no one in the US cares about Ukraine Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 22 2024 20:13 utc | 38 https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/438
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 22 2024 20:17 utc | 39 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 18:34 utc | 22 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 22 2024 20:21 utc | 40 The British military of course is ahead of everything else in that regard. The idea it could fight Yemen is a joke, never mind Russia. Posted by: jpc | Jan 22 2024 20:26 utc | 41 It’s like a fire insurance. If the fire is small enough, the insurance company might say OK, here’s your insurance money. If the fire is huge, and results massive, potentially bankrupting liabilities for the Company, they will dig up one of the 1000 different clauses and say, ‘hey guy’s, seems you missed this prerequisite requirement in maintaining your house fire safety, sorry, we can’t cover ya, see ya’. Posted by: jpc | Jan 22 2024 20:38 utc | 42 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 19:35 utc | 30 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 22 2024 20:45 utc | 43 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 22 2024 20:10 utc | 37 Posted by: Military | Jan 22 2024 21:03 utc | 44 Posted by: Military | Jan 22 2024 21:03 utc | 44 Posted by: irish al | Jan 22 2024 21:19 utc | 45 Honzo@37 Posted by: AJ | Jan 22 2024 21:25 utc | 46 Military@44 Posted by: AJ | Jan 22 2024 21:34 utc | 47 Interesting things from Military Summary. More Ukr. surrenders across the front. An acceleration of soldiers killed and Ukr. may be starting to depend on horses. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 22 2024 21:34 utc | 48 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 22 2024 20:45 utc | 43 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 22 2024 21:35 utc | 49 re:%20Posted%20by%3A%20team10tim%20%7C%20Jan%2022%202024%2016%3A35%20utc%20%7C%202
And when exactly do you think that will be? Posted by: Julian | Jan 22 2024 21:35 utc | 50 Blissex 34: “if tonight the people of London were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of all cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, ‘No, we will mete out to the Germans the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us.’” Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 21:48 utc | 51 Will it just be forgotten, like the humiliating retteat from Afghanistan? Or will it have some tangible impact? Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 22 2024 21:49 utc | 52 Sobre o bombardeamento de cidades na 2a WW. Posted by: Soviético | Jan 22 2024 21:50 utc | 53 Posted by: Military | Jan 22 2024 21:03 utc | 44 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 22 2024 22:15 utc | 54 The times, they are a’changin’ so fast. Once I was a Russian Bot, yet now I’m an Iranian Proxy. What shall I be tomorrow to such “official” airheads? Betwixt and between such madness are truth and its seekers. 😉 Posted by: titmouse | Jan 22 2024 22:25 utc | 55 Posted by: Pq | Jan 22 2024 16:01 utc | 15 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 22 2024 22:32 utc | 56 Posted by: AJ | Jan 22 2024 21:34 utc | 47 Posted by: Milites | Jan 22 2024 22:42 utc | 57 So when will Ukraine’s front finally collapse? Even with the foreign equipment apparently throttled, there’s still no acceleration on the front line. No big arrows, attrition war continues. For how much longer? Posted by: catdog | Jan 22 2024 22:46 utc | 58 Posted by: Milites | Jan 22 2024 22:42 utc | 57 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 22:48 utc | 59 Young woman from Kiev, originally from Lugansk, relocated in 2014. Her words. Posted by: Dante | Jan 22 2024 22:55 utc | 60 ne thing I don’t get about the “Austin is dead” coverup theory is why would they cover it up, if he were killed in Kiev? Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 22 2024 23:19 utc | 61 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 22:48 utc | 59 Posted by: Milites | Jan 22 2024 23:20 utc | 62 Watching the general big picture and it seems the Russians are now waiting. General pressure all along the frontline in Ukraine – basically the methodical destruction of anything holding or operating a weapon. I read the Geroman twitter as it often has links ect to the big picture but more often than not swamped with useless frontline maps. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 23:21 utc | 63 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 23:21 utc | 63 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 23:41 utc | 64 Meanwhile… Posted by: rpst | Jan 22 2024 23:55 utc | 65 Unimperator@59 Posted by: AJ | Jan 23 2024 0:02 utc | 66 Dante@60 Posted by: AJ | Jan 23 2024 0:06 utc | 67
The Disqus comment system would allow people to easily block others and allows easy replies to others and a subtopic to have it’s own distinct path as replies go below the comment they are replying to. Posted by: Simon | Jan 23 2024 0:06 utc | 68 AJ@67 Posted by: Dante | Jan 23 2024 0:19 utc | 69 Stephen Bryen speculates on Ukraine’s retreat to Lwow, Budanov sabotaging a nuclear reactor and US scrambling to ‘save’ the regime and prevent Russian connection to Europe (them cutting own deals with Russia). Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 0:20 utc | 70 Dante@69 Posted by: AJ | Jan 23 2024 0:42 utc | 71 @Whirl 1 Posted by: Sam | Jan 23 2024 0:42 utc | 72 unimperator. I was considering posting the whole thing, but… Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 23 2024 0:45 utc | 73 AJ @ 66 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 23 2024 0:46 utc | 74 @wvirlx 12 Posted by: Sam | Jan 23 2024 0:51 utc | 75 What is likely to happen to the average American’s mindset when Russia wins? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jan 23 2024 0:58 utc | 76 @Posted by: Blissex | Jan 22 2024 19:46 utc | 34 Posted by: San | Jan 23 2024 1:02 utc | 77 @miketes 57 Posted by: Sam | Jan 23 2024 1:05 utc | 78 From Telegram reports Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 23 2024 1:09 utc | 79 @73 daffyDuct – fyi the author of that blog spent en entire career hawking weapons and policy adviceto the DoD. I suspect he’s simply pitching the reallocation of US resources to other areas of conflict that are of more interest to his colleagues. Posted by: pxx | Jan 23 2024 1:14 utc | 80 Blissex | Jan 22 2024 19:46 utc | 34 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 23 2024 1:17 utc | 81 Busy day for my substack with three articles: Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Jan 23 2024 2:15 utc | 83 Kim Dotcom Posted by: Menz | Jan 23 2024 2:39 utc | 84
This is old — Alksnis has been battling serious malignant cancer for the last several months and I haven’t seen him post almost anything regarding the SMO. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 23 2024 3:32 utc | 85 One thing I don’t get about the “Austin is dead” coverup theory is why would they cover it up, if he were killed in Kiev? Posted by: averros | Jan 23 2024 3:36 utc | 86 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 22 2024 18:54 utc | 26 Posted by: watcher | Jan 23 2024 3:55 utc | 87 The Russian Armed Forces are fighting in Avdeevka itself. Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 23 2024 4:02 utc | 88 Heavy is the albatross that is Ukraine upon the neck of The West’s Wallet… Around $5 billion a month minimum. Why punch another nation’s people indiscriminantly when you can punch a cabal’s wallet and liquidate their true believer guardians? 😉 Only incompetents grossly target innocents in the line of fire. Posted by: titmouse | Jan 23 2024 4:36 utc | 89 Milites #62, good summary of BoB. The unspoken result of the BoB was the loss of crew who were irreplaceable. Ditto panzer crews in Poland and France. By Barbarossa the sharp hard pros were diminished. Posted by: Nick | Jan 23 2024 4:47 utc | 90 Our government, unable to achieve a military defeat of Ukraine on the battlefields… Posted by: averros | Jan 23 2024 5:03 utc | 91 Posted by: extremebuilder | Jan 22 2024 17:12 utc | 5 Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 23 2024 6:15 utc | 92 Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 23 2024 6:15 utc | 92 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 23 2024 7:12 utc | 93 Posted by: titmouse | Jan 23 2024 4:36 utc | 89 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 7:39 utc | 94 … The retired U.S. Navy captain of the first rank believes that all means are good for defeating the enemy, so Kiev does not need to “shy away” from strikes on civilians. He believes that the more ordinary people die, the faster victory will come. … Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 23 2024 7:43 utc | 95
Posted by: too scents | Jan 23 2024 7:52 utc | 96 Posted by: Milites | Jan 22 2024 22:42 utc | 57 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 23 2024 8:23 utc | 97 (OT, but I’ll make an exception for a nonagenarian) Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 23 2024 8:28 utc | 98
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2024 8:34 utc | 99 Posted by: Alchemist | Jan 23 2024 6:15 utc | 92 Posted by: RB | Jan 23 2024 8:36 utc | 100 |
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