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January 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-023
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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According to Tass, the 13 names are those who are/were French mercenaries who are (or were) fighting in Ukraine, but not necessarily the ones who were killed. There were 60 killed and 20 injured: Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:13 utc | 201 Military Summary said another mercenary base in Konstantinovka was hit. Some TG reports also say these were Polish, UK, US mercenaries. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 9:16 utc | 202 Another American mercenary was killed in Ukraine – former US Marine Thomas Gray Harris Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:19 utc | 203 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 22 2024 6:34 utc | 195 Posted by: watcher | Jan 22 2024 9:31 utc | 204 Can you guys constantly complaining about other posters just suck it up or man up? It’s like being on a college campus with people asking for safe zones. Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 9:50 utc | 205 Why the US-led West must win in Ukraine at all costs Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 9:53 utc | 206 The beneficiaries will be a few Western food companies. Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 10:03 utc | 207
Ukraine controlled most of the Donbas before the war and still controls parts of it. Like Avdiivka. Russia went after Donbas cities like Mariupol, Severodonetsk. Bahkmut, Lysichance and Popasnya before going all in on Avdiivka, the heavily fortified city that shells Donetsk City civilian areas. Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:05 utc | 208 Newsweek has an article referencing a Chinese military guy writing in a Chinese publication that the USA and Ukrainian stories of Patriot missiles taking out Kinzhal hypersonic missiles are true. Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209 stories of Patriot missiles Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 10:16 utc | 210 Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209 Posted by: Oberbayer | Jan 22 2024 10:18 utc | 211 Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:21 utc | 212 i am not going to click on this newsweek link, but is this “chinese military guy” thats writing for a “chinese publication” writing for the epoch times? Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 22 2024 10:22 utc | 213 DunGroanin @ 185 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:24 utc | 214 Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209 Posted by: boneless | Jan 22 2024 10:24 utc | 215 FYI Epoch Times is owned by Falun Gong which is owned by the NED/CIA. ZH links to them all the time, kind of fucked up, alt media is in itself a mixed, up mashed up world, doesn’t mean there isn’t some factual info the glean, in the old days of meritocracy when verisimilitude was seen as essential to propaganda the BBC offered much to glean, you needed 90% fact to shovel the 10% mind warp bullshit, it’s the reverse now, glaring and crass, dumbed down propaganda for a dumbed down audience. As always, proceeded with skepticism. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:36 utc | 216 Ossi 206: “French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet gave an interview to the newspaper Le Parisien in which he said that if Russia defeats Ukraine, it would control 30 percent of world grain exports” – Und how much of the world grain exports controls US if it defeats Russia ? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 10:51 utc | 217
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1749380743124701558 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:53 utc | 218 90k troops at the Russian border would mostly be a diversion. Thew idea may be to force Russia to put up balancing forces to take pressure off Ukraine. Posted by: SOS | Jan 22 2024 11:06 utc | 219 @212 Posted by: GW | Jan 22 2024 11:12 utc | 220 keep an eye on Syria Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 11:13 utc | 221 “The City still purrs along to this day since none of the power and control has been diminished whatsoever.” US to Get Access to 17 Swedish Military Facilities After Inking New Defense Deal Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 22 2024 11:29 utc | 223 “I do not agree with shadowbanned, but it is a remarkably stupid thing to accuse him of being a NATO troll for having a different opinion.” Und how much of the world grain exports controls US if it defeats Russia ? Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 11:31 utc | 225 re 209 post and the link to the Newsweek quoting a “Chinese millitary guy” …. what a pile of BS!! … I wander if the guy who posted this, even read the whole article, he certainly did not attempt to check the information! Posted by: check your source | Jan 22 2024 11:34 utc | 226 Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:00 utc | 200 Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 11:48 utc | 227 “NATO may soon learn that Russia did not clear out the cupboard unlike them. The whole point of the SMO and dragging things out via attrition is to preempt this exact move.” The drone strike on Ust-Luga terminal is strange, such a long range strike in a theater really far from the war. It would make far more sense to blow up some pipeline compressor station delivering fuel to the war theater. Posted by: Marduck | Jan 22 2024 12:14 utc | 229 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 2:05 utc | 169 Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:18 utc | 230 Exactly-however, shadow and others just can’t seem to understand this strategy. Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:20 utc | 231 It’ll be interesting to see how people here react to this article. Posted by: GW | Jan 22 2024 12:26 utc | 232 Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 22 2024 12:29 utc | 233 When the Russians kill foreign “mercenaries” (real NATO armed forces including the French) who are sent to Ukraine as experts on the latest wonderwaffe weapons, the USE of those arms may be reduced. Due to loss of expertise as well as lack of ammunition. Cumulative benefit for the SMO. Exactly-however, shadow and others just can’t seem to understand this strategy. Stonebird | Jan 22 2024 12:30 utc | 234 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 12:40 utc | 236
Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 22 2024 12:48 utc | 237 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:36 utc | 216 Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jan 22 2024 12:50 utc | 238 The upcoming Nato exercise for Feb March. 90,000 personal, not a lot considering 45000 have signed up in Russia after the mobilization. Exercise is about a hypothetical attack by Russia on Nato. No doubt will include lots of dummy attack runs up to Russia’s borders. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 12:54 utc | 239 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 21 2024 19:37 utc | 94
you can use a different address / URL 🙂 Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 13:03 utc | 240 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:08 utc | 41
Vladimir Putin takes Oleg Deripaska to task Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 13:04 utc | 241 “The real President of Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, needs someone crazy enough to blow up a nuclear power plant and Budanov is her guy. She needs a pretext for NATO troops to enter Ukraine, urgently. Russia is winning the US proxy war and Nuland is running out of options. Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 22 2024 13:15 utc | 242 AFU squad surrendered in Ugledar direction during an assault operation. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 13:21 utc | 243
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 13:49 utc | 244 Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:18 utc | 230 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245 YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 14:07 utc | 246 Currently 01/22/24 Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 14:45 utc | 247 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:16 utc | 82
deterrence means : Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 14:49 utc | 248
Hitting a bullet with a bullet is always going to favour the attacking bullet. Even if the Kinzhal was travelling at the speed of light and shimmying like a stripper on meth there is a chance that a Patriot missile could shoot it down. Statically however the Kinzhal is going to get through more often than not … that’s what really matters. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 22 2024 14:58 utc | 249 Russian Ministry of Defense Posted by: rumod said | Jan 22 2024 14:59 utc | 250 (KimDotcom) ” …The real President of Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, needs someone crazy enough to blow up a nuclear power plant and Budanov is her guy. She needs a pretext for NATO troops to enter Ukraine, urgently. Russia is winning the US proxy war and Nuland is running out of options. …”
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:13 utc | 251 … although Simplicius notes that the crew excaped, so the hull was apparently not “breached” lethally. Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:30 utc | 252 Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 22 2024 12:48 utc | 237 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 22 2024 15:32 utc | 253 A very sensible account of these attacks on civilian targets.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 22 2024 15:54 utc | 255 Context on the origin of the war. Posted by: Richard L | Jan 22 2024 15:59 utc | 256 https://southfront.press/faced-with-looming-defeat-in-ukraine-nato-wants-ww3-to-prevent-it/ Posted by: Srang | Jan 22 2024 16:02 utc | 257 Golly this does look like a vomit of history repeating – the little sun king Napoleon and his bum chums have thrown a hissy fit because someone was loose lipped and spilled the location of their secretest base for the French troops. The hissy fit killed a market full of people in Donbas. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 22 2024 16:06 utc | 258 @ Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254 Posted by: Richard L | Jan 22 2024 16:32 utc | 259 A source reported more than 300 mercenaries from France who fought for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 01.22. 2024. Posted by: rpst | Jan 22 2024 16:37 utc | 260 “Consider six Storm Shadow cruise missiles in one day” Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 22 2024 16:40 utc | 261 RT: “US forming ‘colonial administration’ in Ukraine – Russian spy chief” Posted by: MAKK | Jan 22 2024 17:52 utc | 262 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245 Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 18:01 utc | 263 Long range stealth AAM/SAM missile would be enormously helpful there. Posted by: messer | Jan 23 2024 12:49 utc | 264
said this:
I aggree.
is MORE than just simply stupid. Posted by: LongCovid | Jan 24 2024 10:47 utc | 265 |
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