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January 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-023

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According to Tass, the 13 names are those who are/were French mercenaries who are (or were) fighting in Ukraine, but not necessarily the ones who were killed. There were 60 killed and 20 injured:
Volunteers collected data on 13 French mercenaries fighting for the Ukrainian Armed Forces
The head of SOS Donbass, Anna Novikova, said that data on the status of these mercenaries – whether they are alive or dead – is being clarified, as well as more detailed information about their identities and, possibly, new names that will be added to this list
PARIS, January 22. /TASS/. French volunteers collaborating with the humanitarian organization SOS Donbass have prepared a list of 13 people who, according to their information, are fighting on the side of the Ukrainian forces. The head of the organization, Anna Novikova, reported this to TASS.
“We have a group of activists who are monitoring the situation and sent this list tonight,” she said. According to Novikova, information is currently being clarified about the status of these mercenaries – whether they are alive or dead – as well as more detailed information about their identities and, possibly, new names that will be added to this list.
The list, which TASS managed to get acquainted with, contains 13 names.
At the same time, the compilers of the list do not specify whether these particular citizens of the republic were in Kharkov during the defeat of the location of foreign mercenaries last week, which was reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the Russian Armed Forces carried out a high-precision strike on the temporary deployment point of foreign fighters in Kharkov, most of whom were French. As a result of the strike, more than 60 militants were killed and over 20 were wounded.
The French Foreign Ministry, in response to a request to comment on the statements of the Russian side, limited itself to commenting that there are no French mercenaries in Ukraine, without confirming or denying the death of its citizens. French Armed Forces Minister Sebastien Lecornu said on January 19 that a democratic country cannot prohibit its non-military citizens from voluntarily going to Ukraine to fight on the side of Kyiv. He stressed that the ban cannot be imposed if the citizens are not career military personnel and do not have ties to French military institutions.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:13 utc | 201

Military Summary said another mercenary base in Konstantinovka was hit. Some TG reports also say these were Polish, UK, US mercenaries.
Dima suggests this is not an isolated event, but it is part of the entire picture of the Bakhmut front. That is, hitting concentrations in the near rear to disrupt the enemy ability to respond.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 9:16 utc | 202

Another American mercenary was killed in Ukraine – former US Marine Thomas Gray Harris
https://t.me/genshtab24/45502

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:19 utc | 203

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 22 2024 6:34 utc | 195
Thanks Mel
One day we should even meet. Not sure which city you are in.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 22 2024 9:31 utc | 204

Can you guys constantly complaining about other posters just suck it up or man up? It’s like being on a college campus with people asking for safe zones.

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 9:50 utc | 205

Why the US-led West must win in Ukraine at all costs
If the US-led West loses to Russia in Ukraine, the US’s role as a leading world power will be history. For the USA, Ukraine is about the survival of its system, which is based on domination and exploitation of the world.
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From a transatlanticist’s perspective, it is a terrible idea that countries other than the United States could have influence on the world order. However, this also shows why the West is increasingly isolated internationally, because the rest of the world has long been fed up with having to live by the rules set by the US-led West.
You may think of Russia, China, Iran and so on as evil regimes, but they all have one thing in common: They do not tell other countries and peoples how they should live, which “values” they should find great, or according to which one political or economic system they should live. Therefore, the prospect of Russia, China and other opponents of the West determining the coming world order is positive news for most countries in the non-Western world.
Robertson also said in the interview that the current situation is “almost a confrontation of alliances,” effectively confirming the Russian thesis that Russia is not at war with Ukraine but with the collective West, adding:
“The countries of the Global South decide which side they are on, but they do not seem to realize that what is happening also affects their interests.”
Yes, these countries have recognized this very well and their sympathy clearly lies with Russia, even if many have not yet declared this publicly for fear of Western punitive measures such as sanctions. But you can see it clearly if you remember, for example, the G20 summit, which was a spectacular failure for the West.
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Would you rather have the end of the world than the end of US dominance?
This is also their attitude towards total war!
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A conflict between Russia and NATO would lead to the end of humanity, not a Russian defeat. But apparently for some Western hawks, the end of the world is the lesser evil than the end of US global domination.
Corporate power is in danger
French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet gave an interview to the newspaper Le Parisien in which he said that if Russia defeats Ukraine, it would control 30 percent of world grain exports:
This is an interesting argument when you consider that the West is currently making life difficult for small farmers and forcing them to give up their farms. This is not an exaggerated formulation, because in the Netherlands this is officially said and implemented. The beneficiaries will be a few Western food companies.
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Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 9:53 utc | 206

The beneficiaries will be a few Western food companies.
Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 9:53 utc | 206

Chickenization ==> https://youtu.be/E5EquPriZgc

Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 10:03 utc | 207

Clearly neither of you have any concept of military operations from the tactical level on up.
Yes, the civilians of Donbass continue to take casualties from Ukie war crimes, but they are nothing like the casualties that would have resulted from a nazi invasion of Donbass and the seizure of more cities, let alone the war that would have to follow to expell the nazis.
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 21 2024 17:06 utc | 39

Ukraine controlled most of the Donbas before the war and still controls parts of it. Like Avdiivka. Russia went after Donbas cities like Mariupol, Severodonetsk. Bahkmut, Lysichance and Popasnya before going all in on Avdiivka, the heavily fortified city that shells Donetsk City civilian areas.

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:05 utc | 208

Newsweek has an article referencing a Chinese military guy writing in a Chinese publication that the USA and Ukrainian stories of Patriot missiles taking out Kinzhal hypersonic missiles are true.
https://www.newsweek.com/china-studies-underperforming-russian-missiles-ukraine-war-1862458

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209

stories of Patriot missiles
Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209

Newsweek is spinning fairytales.
Patriot missiles add up to not enough to matter ==> https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/not-ready-for-the-big-leagues

Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 10:16 utc | 210

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209
I suspect you are a lobbyist for the US company Raytheon.

Posted by: Oberbayer | Jan 22 2024 10:18 utc | 211

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209
LOL. They showed Klitschko’s ‘water pipe’ as evidence of a downed Kinzhal. It has a pointy nose like Kinzhal, but is is much less sharp than the Kinzhal.
How many times this needs to be said, US Media exists mostly for propping up faltering US weapon products to save their sales.
Ukraine has maybe managed to down some decoy, recon and occasional subsonic missiles with Nato air defense weapons. That’s it. Even as a standard, all new cruise missiles produced now are some supersonic variant, significantly improving their survivability or probability of reaching target. Forget about Kinzhal.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:21 utc | 212

i am not going to click on this newsweek link, but is this “chinese military guy” thats writing for a “chinese publication” writing for the epoch times?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 22 2024 10:22 utc | 213

DunGroanin @ 185
Pass the wine.
Mercouris suffers from the “brevity is the soul of wit” problem, but I too use him for a lullaby, Garland Nixon is also excellent for a lullaby, well spoken and mellow for an American.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:24 utc | 214

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209
I find it amusing that the only reason one found this worth mentioning, was because this time it’s in Chinese. Not new data or analysis. Clearly, if someone tells the same bullshit in a different language, then it could be true.

Posted by: boneless | Jan 22 2024 10:24 utc | 215

FYI Epoch Times is owned by Falun Gong which is owned by the NED/CIA. ZH links to them all the time, kind of fucked up, alt media is in itself a mixed, up mashed up world, doesn’t mean there isn’t some factual info the glean, in the old days of meritocracy when verisimilitude was seen as essential to propaganda the BBC offered much to glean, you needed 90% fact to shovel the 10% mind warp bullshit, it’s the reverse now, glaring and crass, dumbed down propaganda for a dumbed down audience. As always, proceeded with skepticism.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:36 utc | 216

Ossi 206: “French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet gave an interview to the newspaper Le Parisien in which he said that if Russia defeats Ukraine, it would control 30 percent of world grain exports” – Und how much of the world grain exports controls US if it defeats Russia ?

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 10:51 utc | 217

There are whispers from Kyiv that Zaluzhny will be fired and CIA favorite Kyrylo Budanov is taking over the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If it’s true here’s why:
The real President of Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, needs someone crazy enough to blow up a nuclear power plant and Budanov is her guy. She needs a pretext for NATO troops to enter Ukraine, urgently. Russia is winning the US proxy war and Nuland is running out of options.
In her deranged mind the best way to get NATO involved is to harm Europeans with a radioactive cloud from a nuclear power plant that Russia allegedly destroyed. The Propaganda media would sell the story and suppress the truth as it has done throughout the war.
If Budanov executes Nuland’s dirty plan he would become the next Zelenskyy. That’s her promise and his ambition.
Zaluzhny would leave a vacuum. Ukrainian soldiers are burned out. Assistance from the West has dried up, temporarily. The window for Putin to end this war on Russias terms is now. Expect a major push.

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1749380743124701558

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:53 utc | 218

90k troops at the Russian border would mostly be a diversion. Thew idea may be to force Russia to put up balancing forces to take pressure off Ukraine.
NATO may soon learn that Russia did not clear out the cupboard unlike them. The whole point of the SMO and dragging things out via attrition is to preempt this exact move.
I don’t think this will result in an invasion of Belarus or Russia, the typical pretext is missing. No signs of a color revolution in either country. The drone strike on Ust-Luga terminal is strange, such a long range strike in a theater really far from the war. It would make far more sense to blow up some pipeline compressor station delivering fuel to the war theater.
If anything I would keep an eye on Syria, another strike at the underbelly.
Alternatively the EU war hawks think the population is no longer invested in the UKR war so something hitting closer to home might rekindle “the russians are coming” fears and revitalize the propaganda effort.
Worst case nothing happens and NATO gains some “combat training” and can fly some AWACS planes near the border. We will see how many broomsticks Germany can muster this time.

Posted by: SOS | Jan 22 2024 11:06 utc | 219

@212
“How many times this needs to be said, US Media exists mostly for propping up faltering US weapon products to save their sales.” – unimperator
Notice the the vast majority of US news outlets use Institute for the Study of War (ISW) as their chief source of expert analysis on the Ukraine conflict.
ISW, a public relations or propaganda agency which poses as a “think tank,” is anything but objective. It just echoes rhetoric and lies emitted by NATO, the Ukrainian government, and the US State Dept.
That says it all about American media’s credibility on Ukraine-related news.

Posted by: GW | Jan 22 2024 11:12 utc | 220

keep an eye on Syria
Posted by: SOS | Jan 22 2024 11:06 utc | 219

Keep an eye on the seizure of Russia’s $300B. That seizure is designed to preempt the default of some unlucky Western nation, but this action will fail to achive that purpose.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 22 2024 11:13 utc | 221

“The City still purrs along to this day since none of the power and control has been diminished whatsoever.”
Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 21 2024 21:16 utc | 122
Yes of course it is; bevin, for some reason, cannot see it.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 11:14 utc | 222

“I do not agree with shadowbanned, but it is a remarkably stupid thing to accuse him of being a NATO troll for having a different opinion.”
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 22 2024 1:24 utc | 162
I concur; this site is designed for differing opinions to be presented.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 11:30 utc | 224

Und how much of the world grain exports controls US if it defeats Russia ?
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 22 2024 10:51 utc | 217
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Well at least in 2023 it was NOT America!
Worst drought in 170 years…remember?
In contrast, the USA bought wheat (bread wheat) for NOT livestock feed, they have enough of it! Bread wheat is not the same as wheat…ask your baker or mill about the difference in protein content! Why do you think THE WEST is so interested in the black soil of Ukraine and bought up millions of hectares of it?

Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 11:31 utc | 225

re 209 post and the link to the Newsweek quoting a “Chinese millitary guy” …. what a pile of BS!! … I wander if the guy who posted this, even read the whole article, he certainly did not attempt to check the information!
Let’s look first at who is it supposedly writing – they are referencing a guy which never published anything in western media & for our side of the divide he essentially does not exist – so much for credibility! – meaning essentially none. Also Chinese millitary guys as connected as they could be to Russian Mic would not have any chance of knowing how the kinzhal technology is working or not – so referencing a Chinese guy as an expert is just blatantly pathetic – it’s like car mechanic talking about the latest space ship developments – a commentary not worth the warm beer he is drinking! I wander at what point people wake up & stop lapping up BS just because it is written in the “media” – checking the sources & crosschecking info with the other side should become a second nature for anyone trying to consume this kind of content!!!
Another truly typical hint is that this “guy” is referred to by another “guy” who is from …. wait for it – Rand corporation !!! – now if that’s not a give away than nothing is! This reminds me the 50 FBI agents which signed a letter that Hunter Biden’s Laptop is not a real story only 3 weeks before 2020 Elections were due – and all media republished it without any question of what was their proof to make such conclusion – 3 years later and thousands of hours of obfuscated investigation and guess what – the 50 guys signed it only to keep their job & Hunter Biden’s laptop is not only real but contains incriminating material on both “the father & the son” (lol). People should demand proof & if it is not provided than none of their statements should be considered as worth any consideration.
Last and biggest hint that this is all BS coping is that all (google) searches point to the same information feeding of itself & all other MSM media outlets run with very similar stories bouncing unconfirmed information as if it was given & proven so (and yet the very picture of supposedly kinzhal shown in this article does not resemble even the very basic profile of the rocket which is shown in many other photos mounted on Russian jets) … but unless one goes outside of the scope of the mentioned article or anyone not in the know about this issue will not be able to possibly tell that what’s being written is complete coping bollocks.
Now, if someone wants to read up sound commentary which I think on this topic an many others discerning Russian Military I recommend Andrei Martyanov. He tends to rant on his u-tube channel, but he always pricks BS bubles with ease, most of the time by just looking at who is the author and who they are working for. But he can do that because he is an expert in this area and have done tons of research.
ps – it amazes me how many brainless posts are floating around here these days – I mean it used to be much better – but then there is far more gaslighting going on than before (apologies to the minority which makes effort to post something of relevance)

Posted by: check your source | Jan 22 2024 11:34 utc | 226

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 22 2024 9:00 utc | 200
LOL! Your comment is only more than 7 hours late.
And not complete. There is a list of 30 French soldiers. Why are you saying “mercenaries”?
Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 1:44 utc | 163

Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 11:48 utc | 227

“NATO may soon learn that Russia did not clear out the cupboard unlike them. The whole point of the SMO and dragging things out via attrition is to preempt this exact move.”
Posted by: SOS | Jan 22 2024 11:06 utc | 219
Exactly-however, shadow and others just can’t seem to understand this strategy.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 12:05 utc | 228

The drone strike on Ust-Luga terminal is strange, such a long range strike in a theater really far from the war. It would make far more sense to blow up some pipeline compressor station delivering fuel to the war theater.
Posted by: SOS | Jan 22 2024 11:06 utc | 219
I wonder whether the strike on the Ust-Luga terminal is more connected to the economic war being waged by the US against Europe than it is to the kinetic conflict in Ukraine. The idea that Ukraine by itself could get through Russia’s defences in the St Petersburg region is laughable. What is not laughable is a US strike, abetted by Poland, under the fig leaf of a blue and yellow flag.
Wake up Germany, this is directed at you!

Posted by: Marduck | Jan 22 2024 12:14 utc | 229

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 22 2024 2:05 utc | 169
Harsh? Not at all. He is relying exactly what the western corrupt governements want, be it with covid, be it about Ukraine. He is an agent provocateur, there is no doubt about it. He is posting within minutes long “comments” prepared in advance. And he is an anti-Russian racist like the ones he is supporting.
Btw Girkin is sent to court and facing more than 4 year in prison.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:18 utc | 230

Exactly-however, shadow and others just can’t seem to understand this strategy.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 12:05 utc | 228
On the contrary they understood too well this strategy. And would like to derail it. Too bad for them, it is not working, only exposing them for what they are.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:20 utc | 231

It’ll be interesting to see how people here react to this article.
Ukraine Is Losing the Drone War
1/22/24
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-losing-drone-war

Posted by: GW | Jan 22 2024 12:26 utc | 232

Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209
As usual western journos fall for the lying assertions of kiev regime.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 22 2024 12:29 utc | 233

When the Russians kill foreign “mercenaries” (real NATO armed forces including the French) who are sent to Ukraine as experts on the latest wonderwaffe weapons, the USE of those arms may be reduced. Due to loss of expertise as well as lack of ammunition. Cumulative benefit for the SMO.
There is a vsague possibility that DU ammunition has been supplied by the US, as seen used on a Russian T-90M tank by two Bradleys, although Simplicius notes that the crew excaped, so the hull was apparently not “breached” lethally.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 22 2024 12:30 utc | 234

Exactly-however, shadow and others just can’t seem to understand this strategy.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 12:05 utc | 228
“On the contrary they understood too well this strategy. And would like to derail it. Too bad for them, it is not working, only exposing them for what they are.:
Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:20 utc | 231
Perhaps; I give shadow the benefit of the doubt

Posted by: canuck | Jan 22 2024 12:33 utc | 235

Stonebird | Jan 22 2024 12:30 utc | 234
Watching the video, it looked as though the T-90 was blinded by the first burst from the Bradly.
It then moved around it seemed blindly trying to find cover, I assume so a hatch could be opened. Perhaps just the gun sight knocked out right at the start but a bit later completely blind. Towards the end of the video I saw, the turret began spinning so some internal damage done but no smoke. With the turret swinging round and round it headed off blindly but came to a stop against a tree or something and the video ended there. With turret controls gone, there is a good chance of casualties in the crew. I assume turret controls – electrics hydraulics ect would be in the main part of the hull rather than the engine bay.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 12:40 utc | 236

European Parliament member Bernhard Zimniok [AfD, Alternative for Germany] believes it is necessary to carry out an independent investigation into the death in a Ukrainian prison of video blogger, journalist, filmmaker, and dual US and Chilean citizen Gonzalo Lira, as well as denounce the current authorities in Ukraine.
Zimniok reiterated that “due to his critical coverage of the Ukrainian leadership’s activity,” Lira was repeatedly detained, “tortured” and eventually died, with “necessary medical care being denied.”
“To this end, we demand an independent investigation into the incident under the auspices of the OSCE and an immediate end to any support for this corrupt state,” the MEP said. In his opinion, the situation around Lira “vividly” shows that Ukraine is completely out of line with European values.
The MEP said that further military support for Ukraine is unacceptable for a number of reasons. “First, anyone who knows anything can see that Ukraine doesn’t have the slightest chance of winning. In light of this, it would be quite brazen to further overburden our taxpayers,” he noted.
“>https://tass.com/world/1733057

Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 22 2024 12:48 utc | 237

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2024 10:36 utc | 216
Hear! Hear! Typical OGA hoodwinking operations.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jan 22 2024 12:50 utc | 238

The upcoming Nato exercise for Feb March. 90,000 personal, not a lot considering 45000 have signed up in Russia after the mobilization. Exercise is about a hypothetical attack by Russia on Nato. No doubt will include lots of dummy attack runs up to Russia’s borders.
The Brits and Euro twits talking war with Russia. The Swedes and other telling their populations to prepare…. the Brits running strikes deep in Russia.
Medvedev warning against conventional strikes of Russia’s nuke missile sites. I assume the Brits have told Zelensky to hold out and keep the war going until Europe/Nato steps in.
The Brits, Macron, Scholz, Stoltenberg all desperate, saying Russia can’t be allowed to win in Ukraine. The Brits 20,000, Germans 10,000, France I think 10,000, I assume a few odds and ends from the rest of Europe with Americans making up the balance.
Feb March will be an interestring couple of months

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 12:54 utc | 239

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 21 2024 19:37 utc | 94

Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:33 utc | 73
Now everyone can understand why RussiaToday and Sputniknews are officially banned in France, but still available through a VPN.
I can get Sputnik News without a VPN in Italy https://sputnikglobe.com
for RT you need to be brave and update your hosts file in windows. simply add this line
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it is actually kind of nasty that states are manipulating DNS but here we are.

you can use a different address / URL 🙂
https://www.swentr.site

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 13:03 utc | 240

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:08 utc | 41

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But in order for those people to start fearing for their own lives Putin has to go, because his loyalties are with the elites, not with the regular people (let’s never forget the decades in which the dream of Russian elites was to merge with the Western elites; Putin epitomizes that era, and people don’t change at age 70). The problem is him being replaced in the middle of the war will be hugely destabilizing on its own…

Vladimir Putin takes Oleg Deripaska to task
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Kk7kobMQY

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 13:04 utc | 241

“The real President of Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, needs someone crazy enough to blow up a nuclear power plant and Budanov is her guy. She needs a pretext for NATO troops to enter Ukraine, urgently. Russia is winning the US proxy war and Nuland is running out of options.

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1749380743124701558
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:53 utc | 218

There is still room for escalation left, but I doubt that a change at the helm is needed for that. Either Vicci is in charge or she is not, we have to make up our minds.
And I doubt anything radioactive, since that would devaluate the fertile soil in Ukraine. My bet is on chemical disaster, that accusation has proven to work and does not leave the land uninhabitable. How about a nerve gas attack in Awdejewka, that would be convinient, right?

Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 22 2024 13:15 utc | 242

AFU squad surrendered in Ugledar direction during an assault operation.
https://t.me/levangudadzeopinion/14076

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 13:21 utc | 243

Scott Ritter: The Ukraine Scam is Coming to an End
New Rules sat down with Scott Ritter to discuss his recent trip to the Donbass, pro-Ukraine grifters on social media, and the contempt that Western elites have for ordinary Ukrainians.
https://twitter.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1749414809324617851

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 13:49 utc | 244

Naive | Jan 22 2024 12:18 utc | 230
“Girkin is sent to court and facing more than 4 year in prison”
Without wanting to sound like shadowbanned, I can’t understand this decision. Is he facing prison for sounding like shadowbanned, “Putin is too soft, he should nuke them”?
Always thought of Girkin as a Russian patriot, a kind of action-not-words version of Dugin.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245

YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245
Much quoted in the western propaganda organs. The cook lost the plot. I thought he was just winding up the Americans and Brits but then he marched on Moscow as he believed he was a better leader for the military. A wannabe oligarch. Girkin is cut from the same cloth.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2024 14:07 utc | 246

Currently 01/22/24
Consider six Storm Shadow cruise missiles in one day
in words Six in ONE day!
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of January 22, 2024) The main thing:
– Russian air defense shot down a Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near the village of Ivanovka, Kharkov region;
– Since the start of the special military operation, Russian forces have destroyed over 11,000 Ukrainian Armed Forces drones;
— Russian forces repelled three attacks by Ukrainian forces in the direction of Krasnoliman near Yampolovka and Grigorovka, the enemy lost up to 180 military personnel;
– Russian forces repelled six attacks by attack groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the direction of Donetsk;
— The Russian Armed Forces repelled nine attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kupiansk direction in one day, the enemy lost up to 180 military personnel;
— Russian forces destroyed two field camps of the 23rd Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces;
– The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 120 military personnel and 2 Akatsiya self-propelled guns in the direction of southern Donetsk in one day;
– Russian air defense intercepted six Storm Shadow cruise missiles and five HIMARS MLRS shells and destroyed 76 Ukrainian drones in one day;
— Russian forces shelled Ukrainian forces in the Kleshcheevka and Krasny regions of the DPR;
– The Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 100 military personnel in the Kherson direction in one day, the M777 system and the Grad MLRS vehicle were destroyed;
– The Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 105 military personnel and Caesar self-propelled guns in the Zaporozhye direction in one day;
— The Ukrainian armed forces lost up to 320 military personnel daily in the Donetsk direction;
— Ukrainian forces lost ten tanks in one day in the Donetsk direction, including a Leopard.

Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 14:45 utc | 247

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:16 utc | 82

s—o-b—– is an “agent-provocateur”. He wants that Putin will do exactly what nato and the ukronazis want: to be the first to use a nuclear weapon.
I absolutely do not understand why he is allowed to publish here his attacks against Russia.
Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:54 utc | 73
We have been over this countless times.
1) If you do not reestablish deterrence, you will be destroyed conventionally, slowly, piece by piece.
2) If you are not the first to use nukes, you may not even get the chance to be the second.

deterrence means :
On Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence
https://archive.mid.ru/en/web/guest/foreign_policy/international_safety/disarmament/-/asset_publisher/rp0fiUBmANaH/content/id/4152094
– 5. The Russian Federation considers nuclear weapons exclusively as a means of deterrence, their use being an extreme and compelled measure
III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons
– 17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.

lavrov —> https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1833089/
The theoretical use of nuclear weapons is clearly limited to extraordinary circumstances within the scenarios outlined in the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation and the Fundamentals of State Policy in the Sphere of Nuclear Deterrence. These are open documents. Anyone can read them.
….. and the means to implement it

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 22 2024 14:49 utc | 248

Newsweek has an article referencing a Chinese military guy writing in a Chinese publication that the USA and Ukrainian stories of Patriot missiles taking out Kinzhal hypersonic missiles are true.
Posted by: Simon | Jan 22 2024 10:08 utc | 209

Hitting a bullet with a bullet is always going to favour the attacking bullet. Even if the Kinzhal was travelling at the speed of light and shimmying like a stripper on meth there is a chance that a Patriot missile could shoot it down. Statically however the Kinzhal is going to get through more often than not … that’s what really matters.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 22 2024 14:58 utc | 249

Russian Ministry of Defense
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of January 22, 2024)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation.
In the Kupyansk direction, units of the “Western” grouping of troops, with active actions and artillery fire, repelled nine attacks by assault groups of the 32nd, 60th, 66th, 81st mechanized and 68th Jaeger brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Makeyevka, Novoegorovka of the Luhansk People’s Republic and Sinkovka of the Kharkiv region.
The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to up to 180 military personnel, five tanks, two armored combat vehicles and two pickups.
During the counter-battery struggle, the following were hit: the M777 artillery system manufactured by the United States, two howitzers: Msta-B and D-30, as well as the MT-12 anti-tank gun.
In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of forces, with the support of artillery, repelled three attacks by assault groups of the 117th Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Yampolovka and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
The enemy’s losses amounted to up to 180 soldiers, two tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles and six vehicles.
In addition, during the counter-battery struggle, the Zuzana-2 self-propelled artillery unit manufactured in Slovakia, two M777 artillery systems manufactured in the United States, as well as the D-20 howitzer were hit.
In the Donetsk direction, units of the “Southern” group of troops, supported by artillery fire, repelled six attacks by assault groups of the 22nd mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Kleshcheyevka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
Also, in the areas of the settlements of Kleshcheyevka and Krasnoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic, artillery strikes inflicted fire damage to the manpower and equipment of the 22nd and 92nd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The enemy lost up to 320 soldiers killed and wounded, ten tanks, including one Leopard 2A5, two infantry fighting vehicles, six armored combat vehicles, a combat vehicle of the Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system and 12 vehicles.
During the counter-battery struggle, two US-made M777 artillery systems, a Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery unit, howitzers: Msta-B and D-20, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, a Gvozdika self-propelled artillery unit and two D-30 guns were hit.
In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces, in cooperation with artillery, inflicted fire damage on the manpower of the 31st mechanized, 79th airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 105th Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Staromayorskoye, Novomikhailovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Priyutnoye of the Zaporozhye region.
The enemy’s losses amounted to up to 120 soldiers, three vehicles, two self-propelled artillery installations “Acacia” and a D-20 howitzer.
In the Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian group of troops, with the support of aviation and artillery, defeated clusters of manpower and equipment of the 117th, 118th mechanized and 128th mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Workino, Kamenskoye and Pyatikhatki of the Zaporozhye region.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 105 servicemen killed and wounded, a tank and three pickups.
During the counter-battery struggle, the following were hit: a self-propelled artillery installation “Caesar” made in France and two howitzers: D-20 and D-30.
Units of the 35th Marine Brigade and the 121st Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Novotyaginka and Zolotaya Balka in the Kherson region were defeated in the Kherson direction. As a result, the enemy’s losses amounted to up to 100 soldiers and three vehicles.
In addition, during the counter-battery struggle, the US-made M777 artillery system and the Grad MLRS combat vehicle were destroyed.
Two field ammunition depots of the 23rd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, manpower and military equipment in 103 districts were destroyed by operational and tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile troops and artillery of groups of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
The Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down by air defense means in the area of the settlement of Ivanovka, Kharkiv region. During the day, six Storm Shadow air-launched cruise missiles were intercepted, as well as five HIMARS multiple rocket launchers.
In addition, 76 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Donetsk, Novoselovka, Vodiane, Verkhnetoretskoye, Lipovoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Kremennaya, Zolotarevka of the Luhansk People’s Republic, Ocheretovatoye of the Zaporozhye region, Novaya Kakhovka of the Kherson region and Tokorevka of the Kharkiv region.

Posted by: rumod said | Jan 22 2024 14:59 utc | 250

(KimDotcom) ” …The real President of Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, needs someone crazy enough to blow up a nuclear power plant and Budanov is her guy. She needs a pretext for NATO troops to enter Ukraine, urgently. Russia is winning the US proxy war and Nuland is running out of options. …”
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2024 10:53 utc | 218

Coincidentally, Italian News:

‘Nuclear accident in France’: IT Alert, the tests of the Italian alert system start again: today it’s up to Piedmont, then the other regions …

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:13 utc | 251

… although Simplicius notes that the crew excaped, so the hull was apparently not “breached” lethally.
Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 22 2024 12:30 utc | 234

Saw a TG post (can’t remember which channel now) that suggested a loss of visibility, due to the hail of autocannon fire, followed by detonation of their own tank shell in the barrel caused by more impacts.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:30 utc | 252

Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 22 2024 12:48 utc | 237
Some good could come from Gonzalo Lira’s death, if a western politician has the good sense to use it as an off ramp to stop the mad warmongering in the west. It would be a memorial to Gonzalo Lira’s bravery to continue to try and speak truth, if a way could be found to stop the carnage and prevent another 500,000 deaths.
All they need to do to expose the Nazi’s in Kiev and thus end once and for all the arming and funding of a CIA proxy terror group is to reveal the fact that a journalist who was a US citizen was tortured to death by the Kiev junta. Mr Lira senior has already said as such.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 22 2024 15:32 utc | 253

A very sensible account of these attacks on civilian targets.
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/28888

Trusted comrades from the front have repeatedly told me that attacks on civilians are almost always carried out by NATO mercenaries, usually Poles. And here it is clear that, in this case, the Ukrainian Armed Forces can learn about the shelling of peaceful neighborhoods after the fact, already from the shelling, since the orders are given by curators from the USA or Great Britain.
The meaning of these actions is clear – the accumulation of enmity, so that our people do not take Ukrainians prisoner, so that they begin to respond even more harshly, that is, in the end, to tighten the spiral of war and create conditions for the impossibility of a peaceful resolution of the conflict and reconciliation between Russians and Russians.
And this will continue. The war, according to their plans, should go to the last Ukrainian. And only the residents of Ukraine and their military can stop the curators at this stage.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254
ive read similar accounts on this issue.
one can also see the smo as a big hostage rescue operation, in a weird sense.
the ukraine is defacto a hostage to nato (an according to latest news, the us is planing on doing one of those colonial inspired government shakeups with even more “trusted” personell on top), and russia has to be patient and take safe steps to not endager the hostages, ie the civilian people there.
well the latter part is already known to anyone with two working eyes and a brain.
this combined with quisling stoltenbergs admission that “nato is already in ukraine since 2014” paints a clear picture. unfortunately, the sheeple in the west refuse to see it, and their unelected dictators in brussels do everything to keep it that way.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 22 2024 15:54 utc | 255

Context on the origin of the war.
Last night I was watching Yoav Shamir’s Defamation (2009) film and suddenly at 36 min in the video I was taken to a meeting (15 people maybe) including an assistant to then Ukrainian president, Yushchenko, and the presicdnt of the Anti-Defamation League. The Ukrainian envoy was seeking Israel assisrance to establish a relationship with the US to distance Ukraine from the Russian influence and to create a US-Ukraine relationship as the future direction of Ukrainian politics.
* https://archive.org/details/defamation-yoav-shamir
That was 5 or 6 years before Maidan.
Such aspirations by a section of the Ukrainian politicians is not a problem per se. However the devil is in the details and the means used to achieve that goal by using violence at all levels against other Ukainians has resulted in immense suffering and no improvements yet.

Posted by: Richard L | Jan 22 2024 15:59 utc | 256

https://southfront.press/faced-with-looming-defeat-in-ukraine-nato-wants-ww3-to-prevent-it/
Ofcourse the american/British elite are determined the human race to the brink. Its neo colonial dreams are collapsing faster than the F35 ! But any Ww3 is unlikely to be confined to Europe! Instead the array of missiles may decide to pay visit to his majesty’s secret surface and Biden’s team of lunatic asylums including that murderous woman Ms Nuland !

Posted by: Srang | Jan 22 2024 16:02 utc | 257

Golly this does look like a vomit of history repeating – the little sun king Napoleon and his bum chums have thrown a hissy fit because someone was loose lipped and spilled the location of their secretest base for the French troops. The hissy fit killed a market full of people in Donbas.
I doubt that the RC spies on the ground didn’t know their whereabouts all along.
And there are many merc rats being captured who would not think twice about betrayal to escape the noose. If it was that option then probably a Brit mercenary. We have a very long love hate relationship with the French!
The macaroon is happy to destroy the latest republic – it looks like the French will have to revolt once again! One can generally count on the peasant mentality French to chop a few royal heads.
There are plenty of moron macaroon supporters too about 25% based on last elections.
many working in global finance and business, in Britain they hate their fellow citizens demands to retain their rights and benefits. They bitch about the lack of neoliberalism in France , the capped wages. the taxes etc.
Having lived the high life in British laissez fair loadsamoney world – they then insist on retaining their ‘French’ benefits. When it comes to maternity and social benefits.
Without a hint of irony of their hypocrisy.
They think Le Pen is bad but the fascist in government with his own made up party installed by the technocrat minders is a democrat!
Dumb , Dumbs Mon amis. I’ll be asking about their dead mercs when I meet some tonight.
But nicely, as you can’t really kick a dog when it’s down eh? And they are friends.
They are the Zion kings of Europe – around a lot longer than the Zion state was born.
Having had their arses served in Indochina before passing that hot potato to the US ; now same again in the Sahel, again with the Yanks stepping in.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 22 2024 16:06 utc | 258

@ Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 22 2024 15:40 utc | 254
I would expect naively that the Russian Army Intelligence knows who is firing the guns and who orders where and when to fire.
Those politicians of Ukraine who are weak seeked outside help instead of activating the genius already there among the Ukrainians. Unfortunately the foreign forces involved have no empathy and they do not care about the people. They are abstaction processors and act like dumb computers.

Posted by: Richard L | Jan 22 2024 16:32 utc | 259

A source reported more than 300 mercenaries from France who fought for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 01.22. 2024.
Source: since the beginning of the Northern Military District, over 300 mercenaries from France have arrived in Ukraine.
MOSCOW, January 22 – RIA Novosti. Since the beginning of the special military operation, over 300 French mercenaries have arrived in Ukraine to participate in hostilities, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

“Some of them served in the 2nd parachute regiment of the Foreign Legion of the 11th airborne brigade of the French ground forces (the settlement of Calvi on the island of Corsica ),” he specified.
According to the agency’s interlocutor, about 130 mercenaries were killed in battles, and up to 170 militants left Ukraine.
“As of January of this year, there were 50 militants from France in the Northern Military District zone,” the source added.
He indicated that “foreign mercenaries are part of the International Legion of Defense of Ukraine (ILOU).”

Posted by: rpst | Jan 22 2024 16:37 utc | 260

“Consider six Storm Shadow cruise missiles in one day”
Posted by: ossi | Jan 22 2024 14:45 utc | 247

This is where the Russians spent their money on, their air defence is pretty impressive, otherwise they’d have to rebuild the Crimean bridge on a weekly basis. My guess is that they even have a solution to handle ISR, not only by EW, but also by active measures. Unfortunately NATO is not a party in this conflict and Russia can just grind its teeth watching all those pretty AWACS flying just outside Ukrainian airspace.

Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 22 2024 16:40 utc | 261

RT: “US forming ‘colonial administration’ in Ukraine – Russian spy chief”
i.e. Biden is said to have pushed Selensky to swap his ministers for
US educated / aligned / Loyal persons of (preferably) Ukrainian background.
robbing Ukraine before it goes down in flames?

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 22 2024 17:52 utc | 262

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 22 2024 14:01 utc | 245
Girkin is a soldier. As such he has to obey the orders of his hierarchy. If not, he has to accept the consequences.
In the current situation the unity of the Russian people is important. Girkin is a disruptive voice.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 22 2024 18:01 utc | 263

Long range stealth AAM/SAM missile would be enormously helpful there.

Posted by: messer | Jan 23 2024 12:49 utc | 264

Replying to the post of Biswapriya Purkayast, poster
Naive | Jan 22 2024 1:44

said this:

… He is not a troll, he is an agent provocateur, enemy of Russia. And it is far more stupid to not understand it. If he would be in Russia he would be under arrest like Girkin or in prison like Navalny …

I aggree.
Biswapriya Purkayast’s nebulous nonsense in the penultimate sentence

Face it, Russia is not playing 5555555D chess any more than it is going to run out of everything and collapse in ten days. And it is not trolling to point that out.

is MORE than just simply stupid.
Even if we ignore the paternalizing, hectoring ‘Face it’, we can’t ignore Biswapriya’s conclusion that (alleged!) shadowband’s pointing to the bloviage HE HIMSELF concocted ‘is NOT trolling’! What a load of utter, UTTER bullshit.
IMHO shadowbanned entity (or collectivity, i.e. It) is a (bunch of) cunning NAFO shill(s) of Russian/ex-USSR provenience. It‘s countless, endless posts of on MoA always repeat the same antirussian propaganda hidden behind long pseudo-patriotic tirades. (HINT: search for ‘but‘ in concluding paragraphs.)
What finally convinced me was It‘s post on MoA with a piece of explicit antirussian propaganda from ‘vchokgpu‘ Telegram channel.
Here’s the MISSION of the ORGANIZATION that stands behind vchokgpu channel, as stated on the it’s title page:
In Russian:
:::
Раскрываем тайны чиновников, олигархов, гангстеров, силовиков. Документально.
Официальный сайт: http://www.rucriminal.info
По всем вопросам обращаться на vchkogpu@protonmail.com
:::
In English (translated by Google, all CAPS and […] by LongCovid):
:::
We reveal the SECRETS of OFFICIALS [!], oligarchs, gangsters, and SECURITY FORCES [!]. Documented.
Official site: http://www.rucriminal.info
For any questions please contact vchkogpu@protonmail.com
:::
The title page also contains a link to the ORGANIZATION’s Web page: “www.rucrminal.info”.
Cheers.

Posted by: LongCovid | Jan 24 2024 10:47 utc | 265