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January 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-023
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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25 Dead From Donetsk Shelling Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 21 2024 14:22 utc | 1 Why is Ukraine commiting these attacs on civilian population? Posted by: zorge | Jan 21 2024 14:36 utc | 2 They have been bombing cities forever. They also place weapon systems inside their own cities, so when they get hit, potentially some non-combatants get hit as well. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 14:52 utc | 4 “Why is Ukraine committing these attacks on the civilian population?” Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 21 2024 15:08 utc | 5 Posted by: Tranny Cirillo | Jan 21 2024 15:09 utc | 8 Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 15:11 utc | 6 Why is Ukraine commiting these attacs on civilian population? Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 21 2024 15:12 utc | 7 Why is Ukraine … Posted by: too scents | Jan 21 2024 15:17 utc | 8 The situation in Ukraine will become ever more bizarre as their soft coup develops. My feeling is the tragedy at the Donetsk market is part and parcel of the leadership shadow play. Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 15:23 utc | 9 Ukraine Weekly Update 19th January 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-07a Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 21 2024 15:26 utc | 10 Hey guys, propaganda runs both ways, you have no idea what the Ukies are firing at in Donetsk, both sides play the same game…..that civilians get killed……chosing to live in a conflict zone has risks. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 21 2024 15:31 utc | 11 Why is Ukraine commiting these attacs on civilian population? Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 21 2024 15:32 utc | 12 “Why is Ukraine commiting these attacs on civilian population? Posted by: jr | Jan 21 2024 15:34 utc | 13 “Why is Ukraine committing these attacks on civilian population?” Posted by: bevin | Jan 21 2024 15:42 utc | 14 personally, from a total uninformed position, i would say the greatest mistake was to incorporate the new regions into russia at that point. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 21 2024 15:45 utc | 15
I also think they should have gone after Avdiivka right away to stop it, but it is a heavily fortified area that is proving very hard to conquer. But you would think they could have instead cut off the supply routes to it. Posted by: Simon | Jan 21 2024 15:47 utc | 16 Everyone knows that the Ukraine is run by fadcists. Posted by: too scents | Jan 21 2024 15:49 utc | 17 i am now going to propose to my family to leave germany for good. Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 15:51 utc | 18 Krynky has effectively fallen and AFU remnants kicked out of the village. For the duration of 4 months, 4 elite marine brigades of AFU were completely defeated, and significant concentrations of fire support on the opposite bank of the river. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 15:53 utc | 19 i am now going to propose to my family to leave germany for good. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jan 21 2024 15:53 utc | 20 Regarding adviika and the shelling of donetsk Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 21 2024 15:54 utc | 21 Why is Ukraine bombing the Donbass? Because old habits are hard to break. It’s in their nature. This exemplifies nhilism. They know they’re a dead nation walking (and they were played). Posted by: Seer | Jan 21 2024 15:59 utc | 22 More on Krynky. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 16:13 utc | 23 From a previous thread. Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 21 2024 16:13 utc | 24 ossi 12: Actually they can’t achieve much on the battlefield, so they try to expand the war by provoking counterattacks. It’s always been that way, it’s the trademark of the Anglo-Saxons. Hitler presented a whole list in his declaration of war on the USA. But if they can’t win without expanding the war, how can they win against an enemy like Russia, which cannot be provoked? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 21 2024 16:20 utc | 25 https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-the-west-was-defeated/ Posted by: snake | Jan 21 2024 16:20 utc | 26 And where ? Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 21 2024 16:21 utc | 27 “i am now going to propose to my family to leave germany for good. Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 21 2024 16:24 utc | 28 Gepostet von: English Outsider | 21. Januar 2024 16:13 UTC | 29 Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 16:28 utc | 29 The safest places in the world would be in the southern parts of South America..Chile, Argentina, and especially Uruguay, because of neutrality and lack of a military presence…Butch, Sundance and Etta lived there happily for years despite an outstanding warrant for their arrest… Posted by: pyrrhus | Jan 21 2024 16:40 utc | 30
Thankfully in Russia the Duma has war powers and Putin and the generals are given rules of engagement to follow. The only countries where the head of state has unlimited war powers are North Korea and the USA. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 21 2024 16:41 utc | 31 ossi@23…best place to live is outside the blast zones….far from military installations. There’s always going to be fallout, the planet is only so big……but, life forms do adapt….even if they glow in the dark. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 21 2024 16:41 utc | 32 Re the the empires strikes against civilians and the behind the lines attacks within Russia. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 16:44 utc | 33 https://t.me/otryadkovpaka/34190 Posted by: Unlawful graves | Jan 21 2024 16:46 utc | 34 Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 15:23 utc | 12 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 16:46 utc | 35 Can this shelling of Donetsk city come from Avdeevka? Russia is advancing on multiple fronts around Avdeevka. This morning Dima remarked that on one front the Russians encountered little or no artillery to stop them. And yet the Ukies find the shells to lob into a civilian population. Certainly gives away the priorities of Ukraine, which are utterly depraved. I think Bevin had it right, the Kiev government is essentially racist. They’ve been shelling Donetsk city for 10 years and will only stop when their army is destroyed. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 21 2024 16:53 utc | 36 too scents | Jan 21 2024 15:49 utc | 21 Posted by: bevin | Jan 21 2024 16:54 utc | 37 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 21 2024 16:53 utc | 41 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 16:56 utc | 38 What I fail to understand is that Russia does not simply irradicate them! Posted by: Honzo | Jan 21 2024 17:06 utc | 39 Mike R | Jan 21 2024 16:53 utc | 41 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 17:07 utc | 40
Why did the grandfathers of the people doing this slaughter more than a million Poles, Jews, Russians and Belorussians? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:08 utc | 41
Summoning the ambassador is quite unprecedented. This has been going for two years now, not just with French soldiers, but ambassadors were not summoned to give explanations. I recall the US and the UK ambassadors being summoned regarding weapon supplies, but was it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:09 utc | 42
This is ridiculous nonsense. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:09 utc | 43 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 16:46 utc | 40 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 21 2024 17:16 utc | 45 Lost amidst the outrage over the massacre in Donetsk (which, if I recall correctly is the largest in terms of death toll since the start of the SMO) is the fact that there were two drones strikes on the oil and gar terminal infrastructure around St. Petersburg in consecutive nights. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:16 utc | 46 Posted by: snake | Jan 21 2024 16:20 utc | 31 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 21 2024 17:18 utc | 48 This is ridiculous nonsense. Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 17:19 utc | 49 Posted by: bevin | Jan 21 2024 16:54 utc | 42 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 21 2024 17:28 utc | 50 Well, folks, I’ve taken to scrolling up from the bottom, so I don’t have to bother reading shadowbanned’s post except the signature. There are a few others I skip as well. I’m an old man, I don’t have time for the same repetitive nonsense over and over again. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 21 2024 17:35 utc | 51 You say it like campaigning against Satanhevism is a bad thing. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 21 2024 17:35 utc | 52 Is the bombing of civilians in Donetck a sign that Ukraine is still very strong or a a sign of weakness? Posted by: zorge | Jan 21 2024 17:35 utc | 53 “Since 1945 the US elites attempts to “get their money back”…..” The shelling of the civilian market took place in Kirovskyi district west of the main city using 152mm and 155mm shells. Firing point was to the north west near Krasnoghorivka, so far from Avdeevka. Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 21 2024 17:45 utc | 56 Russian speaking Ukrainians? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 17:45 utc | 57 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 17:08 utc | 46 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 21 2024 17:52 utc | 58 https://t.me/boriskarpovblog/18544 Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 17:54 utc | 59 Posted by: canuck | Jan 21 2024 17:45 utc | 60 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 21 2024 17:57 utc | 60 Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 21 2024 17:45 utc | 61 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 17:57 utc | 61 Ukraine commits atrocities against civilians because that is the US modus operandi. They believe that killing civilians will make the remaining citizens rise up and overthrow their leaders and allow the US to pick them. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 21 2024 18:07 utc | 62 unimperator | Jan 21 2024 17:57 utc | 66 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 18:16 utc | 63 Military Watch Magazine has an article about foreign mercenaries in Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 18:18 utc | 64 go directly after the billionaires, and you don’t even have to strike the US mainland, you can catch them slipping while they’re on their private islands in the Caribbean or while their private planes are over international waters. Then it will stop very quickly because nobody wants to escalate to the point of total annihilation. Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 21 2024 18:21 utc | 65 Posted by: CommiesGoFY | Jan 21 2024 15:51 utc | 22 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 21 2024 18:32 utc | 66 Unmarked Ukrainian soldier’s grave in the forest, being buried with a tractor. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 18:32 utc | 67 https://boriskarpov.tvs24.ru/2024/01/18/22-officiers-francais-liquides-a-kharkov/ Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:33 utc | 68 Posted by: ossi | Jan 21 2024 16:28 utc | 34 Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 21 2024 18:38 utc | 69 @Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 18:16 utc | 68 Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 21 2024 18:40 utc | 70 “Ukraine commits atrocities against civilians because that is the US modus operandi. They believe that killing civilians will make the remaining citizens rise up and overthrow their leaders and allow the US to pick them. The deal for the French officers is the following: they resign from the army, they go to Ukraine and when they will come back they will be reintegrated in the army at a higher level. Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:42 utc | 72 s—o-b—– is an “agent-provocateur”. He wants that Putin will do exactly what nato and the ukronazis want: to be the first to use a nuclear weapon. Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:54 utc | 73 …I would appreciate better tools to ignore him with. Posted by: JuliaHin1984 | Jan 21 2024 18:56 utc | 74 Zelensky is trying to sack Zaluzhny. Earlier reports claimed that Zaluzhny would be held personally responsible in the case of losing Avdeevka. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 21 2024 18:57 utc | 75 Russia is not concerned about Russian speaking Ukrainians.
He did go on to explain the other objectives of the SMO but protecting the Russian speaking Ukrainians under attack in the Donbas was Russia’s primary SMO objective as of Feb 2022. He did go on to explain some secondary objectives but this was the main objective. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jan 21 2024 18:59 utc | 76 “Ukraine is bombing donetsk out of desperation because the military losses are making it crazy.” Firing distance seems to have been 15-20km based on what was posted
Posted by: too scents | Jan 21 2024 18:59 utc | 78
Action speaks louder than words. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:13 utc | 80 HB_Norica | Jan 21 2024 18:59 utc | 76 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 19:16 utc | 81
We have been over this countless times. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:16 utc | 82 Why is Ukraine commiting these attacs on civilian population? Posted by: Passerby | Jan 21 2024 19:17 utc | 83
Posted by: Down South | Jan 21 2024 19:18 utc | 84
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21266 Posted by: Down South | Jan 21 2024 19:23 utc | 85
It’s even more laughable given that the intermarriage and other extremely close family links between “Ukrainians” and Russians number in the tens of millions. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:24 utc | 86 Very interesting take. Posted by: jpc | Jan 21 2024 19:26 utc | 87 the west is preparing a new and bigger war. Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 21 2024 19:27 utc | 88
Posted by: Down South | Jan 21 2024 19:29 utc | 89 shаdοwbanned | Jan 21 2024 19:24 utc | 86 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 19:29 utc | 90 Paul from Norway | Jan 21 2024 19:27 utc | 88 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 19:33 utc | 91 Folks here at MoA need to wake up and know that in a previous troll life, Shadowbanned worked as a paid troll for big Pharma/MIC sowing disinformation about covid and the covid vaccines. Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | Jan 21 2024 19:34 utc | 92
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21270
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21277
Posted by: Down South | Jan 21 2024 19:34 utc | 93 Posted by: Naive | Jan 21 2024 18:33 utc | 73 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 21 2024 19:37 utc | 94 @65 James o donnell Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 21 2024 19:37 utc | 95 sorry, the full path in windows is Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 21 2024 19:38 utc | 96
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 21 2024 19:27 utc | 88
Posted by: Down South | Jan 21 2024 19:40 utc | 97 I can settle the speculation: Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 21 2024 19:43 utc | 98 Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 21 2024 19:43 utc | 98 “On another subject. Has anyone got any insight on the rumours of the Ukr army chief getting sacked & replaced by that ball-headed, droog Budanov?” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 21 2024 19:50 utc | 99 Some Russophobe Republicans have come up with a plan: Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 21 2024 19:52 utc | 100 |
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