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January 16, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-017
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Butcher Zelensky continues to send ukrainians to slaughter across the Dnieper to Krynki Posted by: Psycho | Jan 16 2024 15:49 utc | 1 https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/new-war-drums-chill-europe-with-renewed Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2 @ #1 Posted by: A. Pols | Jan 16 2024 16:45 utc | 3 Not entirely off topic – Posted by: jared | Jan 16 2024 16:46 utc | 4 Byebye Simplicius. I appreciated his articles, but honestly, they are not worth the relatively high fare (Asia Times is cheaper, and with more relevant articles beside the rubbish). Posted by: aquadraht | Jan 16 2024 16:48 utc | 5 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jan 16 2024 16:52 utc | 6 Simplicius is getting the way of Dreizin: writing outrageous stuff so that people pay his subscription and feel they have some “special” knowledge. Posted by: Augusto Pi | Jan 16 2024 16:53 utc | 7 It is my impression that this war represents a paradigm shift – the outcome may be largely determined by supremacy in drones. This must be truly hellish for the soldiers – on both sides. Slavyangrad claimed that the Ukraine started with the lead in capability but that the Russians are perhaps surpassing. They are able to locate and target drone operators, somehow (I gather). Posted by: jared | Jan 16 2024 16:55 utc | 8
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21219 Posted by: Down South | Jan 16 2024 16:57 utc | 9
Posted by: Down South | Jan 16 2024 16:59 utc | 10 2024 radio interlude … the $25 hackable radio with encrypted long range comms. Posted by: too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:07 utc | 11 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 16 2024 17:11 utc | 12 @4, @7 Posted by: SOS | Jan 16 2024 17:11 utc | 13 Here is latest report from Russia MOD from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel Posted by: ctiger | Jan 16 2024 17:13 utc | 14 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2: Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 17:19 utc | 15 Right now I am ashamed to be German Posted by: too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:21 utc | 16 “Why do ypu think they – the deep state – are so afraid of him? He means to go after all these people running America, serving the MIC and perpetuating the forever-wars. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 17:22 utc | 17
It’s two things conflated with each other here — the events and the motivations behind them.
Sure, but the problem is that what has already happened would not have happened if they were never going to risk it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 16 2024 17:25 utc | 18 @ Down South | Jan 16 2024 16:57 utc @ 9: Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 17:26 utc | 19 “As to NATO I am surprised how shortsighted and blindly loyal EU politicians are. EU is on the cusp of a move to the right, populists sense this and play national pride cards. I do not trust any geopolitical, long-term, wise or even rational ideas to win. Right now I am ashamed to be German, we all gave up on our democracy only to find the “lesser evil” is quite evil. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 17:28 utc | 20 He means to go after all these people running America Posted by: too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:28 utc | 21 “Because a nuclear war should have started according to official nuclear doctrine on about a dozen occasions already, and escalation continues. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 17:35 utc | 22
I don’t doubt that they will try that, but when it comes to choosing between: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 16 2024 17:38 utc | 23 some mild hazing and maybe cutting off benefit checks Posted by: too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:46 utc | 24 @24 – I doubt there will be many forced deportations. Ukrainian refugees can claim asylum status and lawyer up. There will be lots of bureaucracy and red tape; it might take years. Even Kallas (Estonia) admitted as such. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 16 2024 17:48 utc | 25 ” He apparently takes the idea seriously that NATO will begin a major and direct war with Russia on or around November 2024 to stop Trump from winning a second term in office.” Posted by: pavi | Jan 16 2024 17:52 utc | 26 Ukrainian refugees can claim asylum status and lawyer up. Posted by: too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:52 utc | 27 aquadraht | Jan 16 2024 16:48 utc | 5– New types of Inferno carpet bombing drones used in Ukraine. They carry a bunch of grenades, released over enemy trenches. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 16 2024 17:56 utc | 29 Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16 2024 17:52 utc | 28 Posted by: migueljose | Jan 16 2024 18:01 utc | 30 Posted by: SOS | Jan 16 2024 17:11 utc | 13 Posted by: Oberbayer | Jan 16 2024 18:13 utc | 31 @ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2 Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 16 2024 18:13 utc | 32 “Simplicius76’s latest article is mostly paywalled, so I’ve only read the free portion. He apparently takes the idea seriously that NATO will begin a major and direct war with Russia on or around November 2024 to stop Trump from winning a second term in office. Posted by: oracle | Jan 16 2024 18:16 utc | 33 Posted by: Psycho | Jan 16 2024 15:49 utc | 1
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Not quite there yet, but it is a start. Posted by: john brewster | Jan 16 2024 18:27 utc | 34 Posted by: Oberbayer | Jan 16 2024 18:13 utc | 31 Aber Oberbayer, unser Kapital wird eben vom Imperium verwaltet und in seinem Sinne eingesetzt. Dafür hat das Imperium bei uns seine Leute. Wenn die Investition unseres Kapitals in die Hose geht, weil die Russen z.B. dummerweise in der Ukraine gewinnen, dann ist zwar unser Wohlstand weniger geworden, aber den USA ist gar nichts passiert, ganz im Gegenteil. Aber warum sollten wir uns beklagen, das ist nun mal auch 80 Jahre später das Schicksal von Kriegsverlierern, den Japanern geht es ja auch nicht anders. Servus, Oberbayer. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 16 2024 18:31 utc | 35 osted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 16 2024 16:35 utc | 2 #6 – @aobh Posted by: Johnny | Jan 16 2024 18:42 utc | 37 One final comment, the regime is not lashing out at Trump per se. His 2016 election might have been the last free election in America. Posted by: Johnny | Jan 16 2024 18:50 utc | 38 @Oberbayer Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 16 2024 18:53 utc | 39 NATO can easily wage war against Russia by attacking from Poland or Romania via long range rockets. Russi wont dare tovrespond due to Article 5. of NATO. Posted by: zorge | Jan 16 2024 18:54 utc | 40 “However Potus’s rarely get to pick their Team. Lots of backers get a say. Their ‘National interests’” Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 16 2024 18:55 utc | 41 Aleks from Black Mountain Analysis just dropped a new article about Ukraine. He doesn’t be as concerned as others regarding a possible NATO escalation. Worth reading: https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-the-middle-east-i My suggestion in regards to Trump is to keep your expectations extremely low. Mine were pushing a bit the brakes or at least not pushing the gas pedal on certain issues which he sort of did; at this turn the best he could do is getting the gears of the US government to turn against each other. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 16 2024 19:12 utc | 43
Sasha Kots’ post 44464 echos that sentiment. The information policy of the RF unfortunately resembles the information policy of the USA, much to the annoyance of those close to the warriors. There is no military secret here, NATO knows what was hit, whether friendly fire or by NATO, what landed and what did not. The information policies are focused on manipulating domestic public opinion. Therefore Lloyd Austin is living with prostate cancer, but cannot be photographed. The heroes who landed the IL-22 go unsung. And no A-50 is missing, no need to admit the most likely possibility of friendly fire, or some other lapse of awareness.
Posted by: Drifter | Jan 16 2024 19:13 utc | 44 @ zorge | Jan 16 2024 18:54 utc | 40 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 16 2024 19:14 utc | 45
Same as shadowbanned: Posted by: schkid | Jan 16 2024 19:17 utc | 46 Posted by: zorge | Jan 16 2024 18:54 utc | 40 Posted by: ctiger | Jan 16 2024 19:18 utc | 47 Posted by: zorge | Jan 16 2024 18:54 utc | 40 Posted by: SOS | Jan 16 2024 19:18 utc | 48 karlof1 | Jan 16 2024 17:52 utc | 28 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 19:19 utc | 49 Regardless of what Trump is, a president can’t do jack shit – he’s a lame duck if he doesn’t have power in the senate and congress. There is approval of presidential appointees ect. State department, intel ect. Only deep state vetted appointees allowed. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 19:28 utc | 50
If they acknowledge the loss the A-50, they need to explain how it was lost. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 16 2024 19:33 utc | 51 I participated in my Republican district U.S. presidential preference caucus in Iowa’s capital city last night. Very orderly and efficiently run operation. Much discussion and stump speeches provided by candidate surrogates. Immigration, the economy, and ending support of carnage in Ukraine and the ME were the top issues. People are fed up and desperate for change. Trump won 98 out of 99 Iowa counties. Historic. In the one county (home of a liberal University) that did not go to Trump, establishment candidate Nikki Haley led by one vote at last count. Posted by: UBAH | Jan 16 2024 19:35 utc | 52 Posted by: zorge | Jan 16 2024 18:54 utc | 40 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 16 2024 19:39 utc | 53 Posted by: Augusto Pi | Jan 16 2024 16:53 utc | 7
Once Dreizin built up a substantial following, he began to insult basically all of his competition, including just about anyone who invited him on to their podcasts, and insulted his readers who weren’t coughing up enough money. The last couple months have just been him calling himself a god and telling everyone how great he is, how full of shit everyone else is, and that he’s taking his special insights behind a paywall and you better hurry up and pay if you want to be able to “see behind the curtain.” Posted by: Frank McGar | Jan 16 2024 19:40 utc | 54 Not just Michael Green. He also moonlighted as Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox. How such a person can have held so many high offices astounds me. But this is Thatcherite Britain, bent on shredding civil society and returning us to serfdom, so plumbing the depths is normal. Posted by: Bramble | Jan 16 2024 19:43 utc | 55 Part of our problem generally as citizen analysts is that we can at best see through the glass darkly. This is because most of our governance systems are relatively occluded. (One of the few advantages of monarchy is that final authority is invested in a single human being who cannot hide and can be easily overthrown.) Posted by: Drifter | Jan 16 2024 19:13 utc | 44 Christoforou throws out an oddball guess, that the downing of the A50 and the hit of the IL22 was USA reprisal for the RF hit on Austin. It’s creative thinking at least, at best he goes to the head of the class. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2024 19:55 utc | 58 Scorpion @ 57
Are you really asking that??? You haven’t noticed there’s a rather distinct difference btwn RF (and China) and the west on how they handle things? That is not like grade school children. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2024 19:59 utc | 59 There is still no proof of any downing of Russian A-50. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 16 2024 20:09 utc | 60 Posted by: SOS | Jan 16 2024 17:11 utc | 13
Not how it works. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 16 2024 20:11 utc | 62
Respectfully, that’s not much of an answer.
Pretty much, after all, the enemy already knows exactly what happened in each case. Kissinger/CIA/Nixon’s ‘Secret War’ on Cambodia and Laos was not secret at all to the people being bombed, or to Russia and China. The point was to lie to the Western public to avoid domestic political repercussions. Posted by: Drifter | Jan 16 2024 20:17 utc | 65 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2024 19:55 utc | 58 Posted by: anon | Jan 16 2024 20:20 utc | 66 Posted by: anon | Jan 16 2024 20:20 utc | 66 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 16 2024 20:21 utc | 67 Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 19:19 utc | 49– Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 16 2024 17:25 utc | 18 Posted by: Gonzo | Jan 16 2024 20:24 utc | 69 🇷🇺📞🇮🇷 Today, the Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation General of the Army Sergei Shoigu held telephone talks with the Minister of Defence and and Armed Forces Logistics of the Islamic Republic of Iran Brigadier General Mohammad Ashtiani . Posted by: Ed | Jan 16 2024 20:31 utc | 70 Looks like further escalation is at hand from the RF side if the downing of the A-50 is indeed true, at the end of the day Putin will have to decide if the Black Sea/Sea of Azov is something he wants to have in his military sphere or not. Posted by: silverfox48 | Jan 16 2024 20:38 utc | 71 Thanks for your reply. A pay wall isn’t going to help a home security issue either. If someone wants to attack you, they can pay the subscription, hack into substack to get whatever info it can, then cancel the subscription. We writers don’t handle the payment side at all. We enroll with a third party that does the collecting and disbursement. Simplicius’s main site has over 20K subscribers by his admission; I have 1450. It’s the $$, IMO. Posted by: Newbie | Jan 16 2024 20:39 utc | 72
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21223 Posted by: Down South | Jan 16 2024 20:39 utc | 73 Supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion is the right thing to do, but I suspect some strategic thinkers wish to avoid a Russian internal collapse. Posted by: Kalmartard | Jan 16 2024 20:46 utc | 74 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2024 19:55 utc | 58 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 16 2024 20:51 utc | 75 Posted by: oracle | Jan 16 2024 18:16 utc | 33 Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jan 16 2024 20:54 utc | 76 Ed | Jan 16 2024 20:31 utc | 70 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 20:55 utc | 77 ” Simplicius76’s latest article is mostly paywalled, so I’ve only read the free portion. He apparently takes the idea seriously that NATO will begin a major and direct war with Russia on or around November 2024 to stop Trump from winning a second term in office. Posted by: Moonie | Jan 16 2024 20:58 utc | 78 The CCCP is the strategic threat that could grow faster as they plunder a fractured Russia. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 16 2024 20:58 utc | 79 ” You are wrong. They did everything possible to prevent Trump from doing what he wanted and needed to do. They completely neutered him. Why do ypu think they – the deep state – are so afraid of him? Posted by: Moonie | Jan 16 2024 21:00 utc | 80 by too scents | Jan 16 2024 17:07 utc | 11 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 16 2024 21:00 utc | 81 The one big thing that Russia has that no one else has is the scram jet hypersonic missile tech. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 21:01 utc | 82 ” from abroad. Accordingly, Zelensky is actively discussing the deportation of men of military age with the Baltic and Eastern European countries. The same Prime Minister of Estonia Kaja Kallas admitted that she spoke with Vladimir Zelensky on this issue, but ruled out the expulsion of Ukrainian citizens, since they are in Estonia legally. “We will definitely not do anything to extradite them. This is Ukraine’s task – to contact the people who are here and invite them back,” Kallas said. Posted by: Moonie | Jan 16 2024 21:04 utc | 83 And I am sure they are ready to strike. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 16 2024 21:05 utc | 84 Who will do me the pleasure to get rid of sh’s and zg’s comments definitively? Posted by: Naive | Jan 16 2024 21:07 utc | 85 RE: Trump, let’s not forget he greenlit arms transfers to Ukraine (reversal of previous policy) and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem in one of the most egregious acts of bending the knee to the Zionists and Netanyahu. And his White House included not just Bolton but arch-neocon Eliott Abrams. American imperialism is bipartisan. Posted by: Gengar | Jan 16 2024 21:08 utc | 86 whirlX | Jan 16 2024 21:00 utc | 80 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 21:13 utc | 87 If Austin was hit in Ukraine I don’t think he was targeted, he could have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, I totally agree he’s not worth the effort, no govt. official in the west is, they are interchangeable clowns at this point, e.g. foreign minster of France has no foreign policy training or experience, the Russians know Austin is just a woke figurehead for the US Army. The attack on the Russians planes would have been a target of opportunity, they would have had it planned for a long time irrespective of pay back, just part of the escalation, if NATO does intend to enter the fray they need air supremacy or at least parity and winnowing RF air surveillance would be part of it. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2024 21:16 utc | 88
Article 5. of NATO, or maybe the US and NATO company will vote under Chapter 7 of the UN charter to attacking themselves “from Poland or Romania via long range rockets”, hilarious dorge. Posted by: SlowDL | Jan 16 2024 21:22 utc | 89 Beware of bloggers whose motives you can’t easily identify. Posted by: Abe | Jan 16 2024 21:32 utc | 90 Gengar | Jan 16 2024 21:08 utc | 85 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 21:34 utc | 91 The bullshit about NATO being on a hair-trigger has been false since the beginning, look at the Houthis and the Iranians responding to each aggression, granted Russian responses are going to be of a different caliber as I suspect they will be much more deadly to I understand Putin needs to be careful but it’s unavoidable. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 16 2024 21:36 utc | 92
Well, the man is obviously not in charge of much anyway except dressing up as a senior official. (To me he looks like a cross between a dark potato and a pineapple.) Most likely they didn’t know if they hit him or not or if he was even there – if indeed they did hit him at all. It just occurred to me that the RF could have used the hit to expose USG participation in the SMO theatre. silverfox48@71…..expect something asymmetrical…Russia has really wide Red Lines….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 16 2024 21:45 utc | 94 Here’s a thought experiment for the barflies: Posted by: Honzo | Jan 16 2024 21:48 utc | 95 “I participated in my Republican district U.S. presidential preference caucus in Iowa’s capital city last night. Very orderly and efficiently run operation. Much discussion and stump speeches provided by candidate surrogates. Immigration, the economy, and ending support of carnage in Ukraine and the ME were the top issues. People are fed up and desperate for change. Trump won 98 out of 99 Iowa counties. Historic. In the one county (home of a liberal University) that did not go to Trump, establishment candidate Nikki Haley led by one vote at last count.” Posted by: Robert Italia | Jan 16 2024 21:53 utc | 96 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 16 2024 21:34 utc | 90 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 16 2024 21:54 utc | 97
Ambushes of conscriptors would not only send a message, but the (probably) unarmed people would find themselves weaponized. Reminds me of the scene in Diehard, “Now I have a machine gun.” The critical factor is that these ambushes have to happen frequently in order to cow the Nazi goons. An occassional ambush would just draw sadistic reprisals. Yes, it’s not quite there, and I wonder if it will ever get there. Seems like Ukrainian society can be put into two boxes – a minority of Nazi goons more than willing to use violence to enforce their ideology, and the mass of people who don’t want to get down and dirty and just avoid trouble. It’s the zombified status of most corporatized westerners. Ukrainians are going to have to do what’s necessary if they want to survive. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 16 2024 21:55 utc | 98 Bidensky suffering defeats while feebly talking about “a standstill” because the lines on the map don’t move much. Posted by: Tenet | Jan 16 2024 21:57 utc | 99 As tragic as it may sound, i also think that russia hammering away at ukraine may potentially averse some future potential proxies to participate in agression against the rf. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 16 2024 21:59 utc | 100 |
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