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January 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-012
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Dear Shadowbanned: Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | Jan 14 2024 3:55 utc | 101 Shadowshithead is a cooooooftruther too, color me shocked. I bet he’s also a full on globohomo sjw who loves trannies and thinks women can have dicks and men can get pregnant. Posted by: SWISS | Jan 14 2024 3:56 utc | 102 Instant response from the trollerie, sure touched a nerve! Posted by: Saul Goode | Jan 14 2024 3:59 utc | 103 Shadowshithead is a coooftruther too, color me shocked. I bet he’s also a full sjw who thinks women can have dicks and men can get pregnant. Also, to be clear, Lira dying of the coof isn’t a rumour, unless you count shadowshithead’s speculation from yesterday’s thread as “rumour”. Posted by: Swissmiss | Jan 14 2024 4:02 utc | 104 Russian underground trench/bunker complex: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 14 2024 4:13 utc | 105 Video tour of recently completed Russian trench system: Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 14 2024 4:17 utc | 106 by Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 14 2024 4:13 utc | 105 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 4:18 utc | 107 Eighthman No 7 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 14 2024 4:19 utc | 108 @Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 14 2024 4:13 utc | 105 Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 14 2024 4:23 utc | 109 reply to 108 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 14 2024 4:24 utc | 110 If you live in France, the UK, or Germany it is probably a good idea to think about emigration because it is likely those countries governments will become completely unhinged and start killing their own citizens at scale once Russia’s total victory over their pet becomes too obvious to deny anymore. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 14 2024 4:40 utc | 111
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21184 Posted by: Down South | Jan 14 2024 4:47 utc | 112 by Ghost of Zanon | Jan 14 2024 4:40 utc | 111 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 5:04 utc | 113 My retired US Navy doctor wife thinks that Austin, as former active duty, was not spared in the exhaustive vaccination regime the US military goes through. Not all the vaccines in that regimen are great. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jan 14 2024 5:23 utc | 114 You don’t build underground complexes like this if you expect to be advancing (retreat is obviously no longer even a possibility) from them in a short period of time. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 14 2024 5:50 utc | 115 Not sure if this has already been posted here Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:06 utc | 116 Honzo | Jan 14 2024 5:50 utc | 115 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:14 utc | 117 Since nobody wants to say it out loud: Gonzalo Lira wasn’t murdered by the Ukraine accomplices he was murdered by the United States. And willfully so. Just look at this paid CIA-tranny Cirillo who gloated about his arrest. This deluded dude wouldn’t take a dump in the morning without his Washington masters telling him to do so. Posted by: Zed’sDead | Jan 14 2024 6:15 utc | 118 @ Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:06 utc | 116 with the limitation claim on use of US military gear….interesting Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 14 2024 6:17 utc | 119 And he got the double pneumonia with the edema from what exactly? Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 14 2024 6:17 utc | 120
The Patriot systems are so uber, that they aren’t allowed to be turned on to shoot down the very thing they are so magically effective against. Posted by: boneless | Jan 14 2024 6:32 utc | 121 Anothe couple of twitter postings that go well together. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:41 utc | 122 I first saw Gonzalo Lira on the Duran Channel. He was a funny guy and made some good contributions on geopolitical issues. But as a blogger in Ukraine even as an American one criticizing the Selenskyj regime he was in great danger.. He was a brave man but also very careless. It is a shame and disgusting that the American government did. nothing for him and did. let him rot in this Ukrainian prison hell. Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Jan 14 2024 6:41 utc | 123 I thought the US had a fancy general over there making sure all was working well…..maybe there are conflicting goals and strategies operating here….no nukes so far is good Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:47 utc | 124 boneless | Jan 14 2024 6:32 utc | 121 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:53 utc | 125
Yah – Posted by: Kapyong | Jan 14 2024 6:55 utc | 126 Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 6:53 utc | 125 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 7:08 utc | 127 https://www.unz.com/article/the-case-for-genocide/ Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2024 7:36 utc | 128 @ Babel-17 | Jan 13 2024 23:00 utc | 50 Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 14 2024 7:37 utc | 129 Ukraine Weekly Update 12th Jan 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-cf0 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 14 2024 8:14 utc | 130 @shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:17 utc | 64 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 14 2024 8:24 utc | 131 Pneumonia from cold exposure due to prison neglect is quite likely, especially around winter. No need to attach any more complexity to it. A passive murder of a noisy nuisance to the Kiev Regime, it seems. Sad and expected, RIP Gonzalo Lira. Posted by: titmouse | Jan 14 2024 8:44 utc | 132 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 13 2024 21:32 utc | 25 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 14 2024 8:55 utc | 133 On January 13, the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed another massive attack on the Ukrainian military facilities throughout the country. The Russian Air Force launched a group attack on the facilities of the military industry of Ukraine. High-precision naval and air-based weapons were used, including hypersonic Kinzhal missiles. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2024 8:57 utc | 134 Posted by: Saul Goode | Jan 14 2024 2:11 utc | 86 Posted by: James M. | Jan 14 2024 9:14 utc | 135 snake | Jan 14 2024 7:36 utc | 129 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 9:29 utc | 136 He spams the board since he either has nothing better to do with his life, or he’s paid as a propogandist, so I understand why people get mad at him. That said, a more appropriate approach would be to ignore him, or mock him if you’re feeling cheeky. Posted by: Martina | Jan 14 2024 9:30 utc | 137 Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Jan 14 2024 6:41 utc | 124 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2024 9:44 utc | 138 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 3:45 utc | 98 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 9:54 utc | 139 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 2:40 utc | 93 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 10:20 utc | 140 On that NAFO-note, Ian McCollum of “Forgotten Weapons” is proudly wearing a “NAFO OFAN”-patch in one of his latest videos: Posted by: Zed’s Dead | Jan 14 2024 10:23 utc | 141 Milites | Jan 14 2024 9:54 utc | 140 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 10:28 utc | 142 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 9:54 utc | 140 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 14 2024 10:32 utc | 143 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2024 8:57 utc | 135 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 10:39 utc | 144 Very sad news about Gonzalo Lira. Murdered by fascists in Kiev, part of a wave of fascist murders of journalists in a desperate attempt by the imperialists to suppress truth tellers and hide their crimes in Donbas and Gaza. It’s tragic and sad for the bereaved families, but they can be very proud of those who have fallen whilst documenting events. Their legacy will live forever. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 10:56 utc | 145 Some points from Colonel Trukhan’s interview at BMA. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2024 11:01 utc | 146 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 14 2024 4:19 utc | 109 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 14 2024 11:04 utc | 147 Pneumonia from cold exposure due to prison neglect is quite likely, especially around winter. No need to attach any more complexity to it. A passive murder of a noisy nuisance to the Kiev Regime, it seems. Sad and expected, RIP Gonzalo Lira. Posted by: Micron | Jan 14 2024 11:09 utc | 148 unimperator | Jan 14 2024 11:01 utc | 147 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 11:13 utc | 149 Posted by: Milites | Jan 13 2024 23:31 utc | 58
the war starts at 1941 — that are 1,5-2 years till 1943 Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 14 2024 11:15 utc | 150 Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 13 2024 20:44 utc | 22 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 14 2024 11:20 utc | 151 And footage of the surrounding scenery from Ukraine positions at the bridgehead. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 11:23 utc | 152 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 14 2024 8:24 utc | 132 Posted by: SWISS | Jan 14 2024 11:29 utc | 153 It is becoming funny: Posted by: Flash | Jan 14 2024 11:30 utc | 154 Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 11:23 utc | 153 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 11:33 utc | 155 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 10:28 utc | 143 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 11:37 utc | 156 Milites | Jan 14 2024 11:37 utc | 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 11:41 utc | 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 11:33 utc | 156 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 11:48 utc | 158 As much as shadowbanned gets annoying by constantly singing to a different tune, his pov is a useful counterweight to the mainstream conversation on this blog and I think that’s a very good thing even though I seldom find common ground with him. canuck | Jan 14 2024 12:02 utc | 160 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 12:06 utc | 160 Neoliberal troll: “You MoA people need a diversity of opinion!” Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 14 2024 12:06 utc | 161 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 14 2024 12:06 utc | 162 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 12:23 utc | 162 For the shadow critics let me help you with your problem: instead of bitching about shadow and upsetting yourselves just do not read his posts. Posted by: James M. | Jan 14 2024 12:26 utc | 163 You don’t build underground complexes like this if you expect to be advancing (retreat is obviously no longer even a possibility) from them in a short period of time. Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 14 2024 10:32 utc | 144 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 14 2024 12:48 utc | 165 “Bottom line, the Russian Army, like all armies in history, are finding out that their real world capabilities rarely ever match their theoretical capabilities, the Achilles heel of experimental archeology, but that’s another story. The irony of ironies is that the posters that over-exaggerate the capabilities of the Russian military are denying it it’s real victory in the SMO, the ability to adapt and transform effectively, whilst engaged in a peer-to-peer conflict fought in the 21st century.” The trench system is not just for men, it also transports weapons including shoulder fired missiles. These will have the enemy guessing. Posted by: Jason | Jan 14 2024 12:54 utc | 167 canuck | Jan 14 2024 12:02 utc | 160
That is the one charitable interpretation of what is happening that we can grant the Kremlin. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 13:03 utc | 169
What were the state-of-the-art MLRS systems in the fourth century B.C.? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 13:05 utc | 170 “No, you do not need “all opinions represented”. That is garbage neoliberal ideology on display. If all opinions are to be represented, then let’s have a “Flat Earth” thread every week. Let’s have a thread on self-identifying as mountain pandas every week. Let’s have a thread for sharing tips on the care and feeding of European gimps as pets (doubtless would be very popular among our European trolls… they’re always in need of a better owner). ”So you prefer censorship…” Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 14 2024 13:10 utc | 172 snake | Jan 14 2024 7:36 utc | 129 Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2024 13:21 utc | 173 It also does not excuse things like not isolating the battlefield and not taking out NATO ISR when there are abundant technical means to do so. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 13:22 utc | 174 @shаdοwbanned Posted by: schkid | Jan 14 2024 13:23 utc | 175 “It also does not excuse things like not isolating the battlefield and not taking out NATO ISR when there are abundant technical means to do so.” 101 Posted by: heavymetai101 | Jan 14 2024 13:25 utc | 177 Ukrainian casualties were already reported by sources on both sides to be extreme even before the depletion of its defences left its frontline personnel more vulnerable, with life expectancies at some frontline positions in 2023 being as low as four hours while conscript units, sent into high intensity combat with little training, were known to have casualty rates as high as 80-90 percent. Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 14 2024 13:35 utc | 178 Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2024 7:36 utc | 129 Posted by: RB | Jan 14 2024 13:44 utc | 179 @65 Posted by: Tusky | Jan 14 2024 13:54 utc | 180 canuck | Jan 14 2024 12:56 utc | 169 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 14:07 utc | 181 the obnoxious canuck troll has parked its ass here and is not interested in anything but incessant stupid cut and paste bloviations. Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:12 utc | 182 “It also does not excuse things like not taking out NATO ISR” Posted by: SWISS | Jan 14 2024 14:12 utc | 183 Ghost of Zanon | Jan 14 2024 4:40 utc | 112 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 14:25 utc | 184 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 14:25 utc | 185 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 14:32 utc | 185 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 14 2024 12:48 utc | 166 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 14:35 utc | 186 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 14:35 utc | 187 Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:45 utc | 187 “the obnoxious canuck troll has parked its ass here and is not interested in anything but incessant stupid cut and paste bloviations.” Lol the Ukrops have pledged their fealty to the Bozo kings heir, the little turd Sunak and shappshifter war minister and Lord mighty ‘just call me Dave’ aristo in charge. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 14 2024 15:00 utc | 189 Flash | Jan 14 2024 11:30 utc | 155 Posted by: Cynic | Jan 14 2024 15:03 utc | 190 Posted by: canuck | Jan 14 2024 14:46 utc | 189 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 14 2024 15:07 utc | 191 404 – a waste land of Nazi’s merged with zionism coupled to or coupling with Biden diversity. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 15:09 utc | 192 @ 57 Posted by: Callmelennie | Jan 14 2024 15:36 utc | 193 Posted by: ld | Jan 14 2024 14:45 utc | 188 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 16:27 utc | 194 Jan 14 2024 2:40 utc | 93 Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 18:39 utc | 195 Posted by: Flash | Jan 14 2024 11:30 utc | 155 Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 18:52 utc | 196 Lev @192 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 14 2024 19:38 utc | 197 Peter Gold @193 Posted by: bisfugged | Jan 14 2024 19:49 utc | 198 Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 18:39 utc | 196 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 21:19 utc | 199 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 21:19 utc | 200 Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 22:50 utc | 200 |
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