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January 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-012
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2024 17:25 utc | 1
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21078
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21177 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2024 17:29 utc | 2 Ukraine is softening up the Orcs for USA to finish off… Posted by: Mr. American | Jan 13 2024 17:30 utc | 3 Is there any way to prevent people from posting the same message many times on this thread? Posted by: Alfred (Hurghada) | Jan 13 2024 17:32 utc | 4
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21180 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2024 17:32 utc | 5 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation (for the period from January 6 to January 12, 2024) Posted by: rumod ruport | Jan 13 2024 17:39 utc | 6 reply to 2 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 13 2024 17:56 utc | 7 Seems now that the ground is frozen and the FAB 1500 glide bombs arrive in greater numbers casualties went up. Posted by: SOS | Jan 13 2024 18:16 utc | 8 And in the meanwhile, Lloyd is nowhere to be found. No pics, no words, nothing. Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 13 2024 18:39 utc | 9 The effing nazis did it, they killed Gonzalo Lira 😭😢 RIP Posted by: Mac Chiavelli | Jan 13 2024 18:41 utc | 10 Aaand, Sunak in Kiev. Incompetent highs school pretender is how he comes through to me. Almost as bad as BoJo. Only perhaps saved by less awful haircut.? Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 13 2024 18:48 utc | 11 Giving Zelenskyy the benefit of the doubt I can I argue that, the bad optics aside, he can’t order a general advance to the rear until formidable defensive positions have been built, up and down several lines, like Russia constructed. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 13 2024 18:53 utc | 12 Stay on message! All will be ruined for naught! Our people are worthy of death, nyet. Posted by: aholionono | Jan 13 2024 19:14 utc | 14 g wiltek @ Jan 13 2024 18:39 utc | 9 Posted by: SOS | Jan 13 2024 19:16 utc | 15 Babel-17 @ Jan 13 2024 18:53 utc | 12 Posted by: SOS | Jan 13 2024 19:23 utc | 16 Did Ukraine become more proficient at air defense in December? Time has passed since the initial report so we can now evaluate whether Ukraine is telling the truth. Posted by: semiconductor | Jan 13 2024 19:25 utc | 17 @SOS 8 and MOD report @6 Posted by: BG13 | Jan 13 2024 19:28 utc | 18 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 13 2024 18:53 utc | 12 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 13 2024 19:59 utc | 19 Eightmann 7: Blitzkrieg ? – “The engine is the weapon!” – But of course this is only possible if the enemy does not have complete satellite aerial reconnaissance, such as the USA provides to Ukraine. Then it is the better strategy to grind the opponent’s forces slowly. Russia has time, the USA has investments. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 13 2024 20:01 utc | 20
Generally, if one wants to be taken seriously, it’s best not to post unsubstantiated propaganda from Western news. I know this bullshit story, the glide bombs are still falling in Kherson. The supposed planes shot down are like the planes burned on airfields and the Tu22m hit. In other words spurious bullshit designed to rally morale for Ukraine which is through the floor levels. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 13 2024 20:04 utc | 21 Mercouris. A farewell to Lira. Also fine remarks from MSC and Simplicius that I saw linked to on the previous open thread. Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 13 2024 20:44 utc | 22 “Ukrainian military personnel are suffering from illness;” Posted by: T S | Jan 13 2024 20:52 utc | 23 SECRETARY AUSTIN IS DEAD, Killed During Russian Massive Missile Attack While Unofficially Visiting Kiev on 1.3.24 Posted by: Toby C | Jan 13 2024 21:30 utc | 24 I would like to discuss the concept of “active defense” along a huge front as appears to be practiced by the Russians. What should we expect that look like as the adversary is attrited? How should we expect that adversary to respond as their resources decline below the critical threshold where collapse is to be expected? Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 13 2024 21:32 utc | 25 No 9 /gwilltek Posted by: Cloud ofFennoscandia | Jan 13 2024 21:32 utc | 26 FABulous.
https://t.me/milinfolive/114260
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 13 2024 21:33 utc | 27 Doctor eleven 21: “Imagine if lies won wars. Biden’s Maerica would rule the Known Universe.” – Basically, it is very fortunate for the world that those people who have to cut their sandals out of old car tires are insensitive to the lies of the Anglo-Saxons and their Jews. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 13 2024 21:36 utc | 28 In older less dysfunctional times to reassure America there would be photos at this point in Life magazine and on the evening news of a smiling Austin sitting up in his hospital bed, flowers, sunny window, smiling wife holding his hand – even if after the shutter clicked he passed out from the sheer exertion of sitting up and everyone was rushed out of the room. Odd too, no personal stories from Congressmen, defense committee members, saying they just got back from visiting Austin confirming he’s doing well. No doctor press conference either? Think back to the past decades of US history? Unprecedented. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 21:42 utc | 29 SIMPLICIUS Ѱ Posted by: ukra AD depleted | Jan 13 2024 21:43 utc | 30 Those missiles are expensive and the Russians and letting them fly, I don’t think it means so much they have a lot of missiles as that they have a lot of confidence in their intelligence. As Ukraine declines more and more people there are getting up the courage to help the Russians. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 21:51 utc | 31 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 21:42 utc | 29 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 13 2024 21:51 utc | 32 Meanwhile, the psychos in charge in the west continue pushing us toward nuclear annihilation. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 21:51 utc | 33 Posted by: Toby C | Jan 13 2024 21:30 utc | 24 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 21:58 utc | 34 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 21:42 utc | 29 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 13 2024 22:03 utc | 35 Lloyd, Russia losing, Ukraine winning, Moon landing, Waco, Boston, 911, global boiling, democracy, vaccines, rules based order, tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 13 2024 22:08 utc | 36 Dima of the Military Summary Channel says that Austin was wounded in Kiev Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2024 22:09 utc | 37 Eh, actually Austin may still be in hospital in The Swamp. Don’t think he was injured in Ukraine though, but initially I thought that might’ve been the case. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 22:09 utc | 38 I have read of the passing of Gonzalo Lira… can this be confirmed? I am very sorry if this is true. Posted by: Bringoutyourdead | Jan 13 2024 22:13 utc | 39 Norwegian @ 36 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 22:24 utc | 41 . Posted by: Cortes | Jan 13 2024 22:25 utc | 42 A long time since I read the Rus MoD briefings. Their estimates of enemy casualties though have proved to be on the conservative side. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 22:28 utc | 43 No death certificate yet, the US coroner is waiting for biopsy results but the UKR has no one left to scrape up the tissue. Posted by: SOS | Jan 13 2024 22:28 utc | 44 This is probably a good time to reflect on how potent the legacy Soviet air defense systems were. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 13 2024 22:31 utc | 45 Lord Austin… beginning to sound like the middle digit kinzhal was a bit much for Austin. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 22:37 utc | 46 It would be quite interesting if Austin intercepted a kinzhal. Afaik all kinzhals were intercepted. Or was I lied upon? Posted by: Naive | Jan 13 2024 22:44 utc | 47 @Naive | Jan 13 2024 22:44 utc | 46 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2024 22:49 utc | 48 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 22:28 utc | 42 Posted by: NoName | Jan 13 2024 22:56 utc | 49 Re: Gonzalo Lira. I fail to understand why anyone gives a shit about the demise this internet attention whore. Speaking of rumors of his dying of Covid, remember that girl who posted a video of herself licking a toilet seat, to prove she wasn’t afraid of ‘rona, back when the Covid panic was just getting going in Spring 2020? Another famous (for a while) internet attention whore. Wonder what became of her? There are thousands of quality career soldiers on both sides of this war who have died or suffered severe injury, and others who continue doing their jobs under often very difficult conditions. I plan to reserve my use of terms like “courage” for men like this versus jackasses who bring about their own demise for the sake of clicks and views by an anonymous audience. Posted by: anonposter | Jan 13 2024 22:57 utc | 50
Ah, thanks for reminding of an early effort by Frank Herbert, one in which he uses a premise that he’d often later on expand on. He wrote the serial Under Pressure, alternatively titled The Dragon in the Sea from when published as a novel. I never finished reading it, as I’d picked it up when just a kid. Must get to it! Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 13 2024 23:00 utc | 51 The enemy’s air defense did not work Posted by: Naive | Jan 13 2024 23:00 utc | 52 If it had been Lindsey Graham in that subterranean bunker in Kiev, his gaydar would have driven him to raise his rear end to the incoming Kinzhal, hoping for hypersonic penetration. Right on target too, with the low CEP. The jokes would have written themselves. As it is, token diversity appointment Austin deserved his fate for aligning himself with Nazis and Zionists. Posted by: Matthew | Jan 13 2024 23:16 utc | 53 NoName | Jan 13 2024 22:56 utc | 48 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 23:16 utc | 54 More than one post to effect Posted by: Jerr | Jan 13 2024 23:25 utc | 55 Is that True or false? We KNOW the USA has become an empire of lies, and that the officials are a bunch of habitual liars- the blind who lead the blind. Posted by: James M. | Jan 13 2024 23:30 utc | 57 No death certificate yet, the US coroner is waiting for biopsy results but the UKR has no one left to scrape up the tissue. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jan 13 2024 23:31 utc | 58 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 13 2024 21:32 utc | 25 Posted by: Milites | Jan 13 2024 23:31 utc | 59 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 13 2024 22:57 utc | 49 Posted by: James M. | Jan 13 2024 23:40 utc | 60 Milites | Jan 13 2024 23:31 utc | 58 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 23:53 utc | 61 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 13 2024 22:31 utc | 44 Posted by: Milites | Jan 13 2024 23:55 utc | 62 by SOS | Jan 13 2024 19:23 utc | 16 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 0:03 utc | 63 “MI6 transmitted intelligence information to the Office of the President and the General Staff about Russia’s plans to launch an offensive on several sectors of the front in mid-January, with the Kharkov direction not being the main one.
And he got the double pneumonia with the edema from what exactly? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:17 utc | 65 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 23:53 utc | 60 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 0:21 utc | 66
If they are not publishing such evidence, how do we know they are even doing this? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:26 utc | 67
And this is not a good number at all — usually it is a third of that. Which means Ukrainians have plenty to fire and the HIMARS have not been meaningfully suppressed at all. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:27 utc | 68 Milites | Jan 14 2024 0:21 utc | 65 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 0:28 utc | 69
See, this is why the Western pro-Russian commentariat is so harmful.
Dima has no inside information aside from what a few people close to the frontlines that he knows tell him, but that is very little, and has not been heard of in a long time anyway. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:34 utc | 70 by Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 0:28 utc | 68 @ Milites: Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 0:36 utc | 71
Boris Johnson when he got COVID did show his face even from the ICU daily, until he got too sick even for that. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:37 utc | 72 I see Donald Trump Jnr commented on how US foreign welfare recipients like Zelenski are allowed to murder US citizens and journalists, with MSM staying silent. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 0:47 utc | 73 whirlX | Jan 14 2024 0:36 utc | 70 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 0:49 utc | 74
I still have very hard time seeing that — aerial bombardment over the front lines — happening any time soon. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 0:49 utc | 75 Posted by: shаdοwpuppet | Jan 14 2024 0:34 utc | 69 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 0:55 utc | 76 by Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 0:49 utc | 73 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 0:59 utc | 77 Posted by: Milites | Jan 13 2024 23:55 utc | 61 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 1:05 utc | 78 From Russian MFA, Zahkharowa:
I think her last sentence refers to Ukraine, as well. Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 1:09 utc | 79 sh is using two Russian letters in his pdeudo to show how wrong and twisted his comments are. Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 1:17 utc | 80 It is becoming funny: Posted by: Naive | Jan 14 2024 1:36 utc | 81 Good times. As Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk circles over the entire southern side of the Black Sea at the moment. Escalation? Do they make it go down? When RF turns a dark cloud over the Black Sea and all the way to Kaliningrad and further, wake me up only to see the morph from “we didn’t start anything yet”, to “ok, now we do”. Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 1:38 utc | 82 In responxe to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 14 2024 1:49 utc | 83 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2024 21:42 utc | 29 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 14 2024 1:56 utc | 84 Naive | Jan 14 2024 1:36 utc | 80 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2024 1:59 utc | 85 reply to 80 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 14 2024 2:04 utc | 86 As much as shadowbanned gets annoying by constantly singing to a different tune, his pov is a useful counterweight to the mainstream conversation on this blog and I think that’s a very good thing even though I seldom find common ground with him. Posted by: Saul Goode | Jan 14 2024 2:11 utc | 87 I still have very hard time seeing that — aerial bombardment over the front lines — happening any time soon. Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 14 2024 2:17 utc | 88 It only takes o e journalist with some integrity to demand proof of life from Austin. Empire of lies already has the secondary infection story out there, it’s only a few days away from he couldn’t be saved blah blah, cover up complete, but a simple prove he is in hospital with a media visit ends all that speculation and pretence. . Posted by: Hankster | Jan 14 2024 2:20 utc | 89 The second part I forgot is do we really believe a man of his position can dissapear without anyone knowing for days in other departments. This man would have untold numbers of assistants and appointments , secret service, several phones and devices that have their own security details just for them. There’s no possible way the man’s movements aren’t tracked and logged every second by multiple agencies. So the whole should he be fired for AWOL is the Red herring for dummies Posted by: Hankster | Jan 14 2024 2:29 utc | 90 by Hankster | Jan 14 2024 2:29 utc | 89 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 2:36 utc | 91
Officially. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 14 2024 2:40 utc | 92 I’m going to need to see some Austin memes before I make a decision. None of that low-budget Budanov and Zaluzhny cut-out comedy. And don’t pass the deep fake video porn either. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 14 2024 2:45 utc | 93
Yes, Steve Kirsch has been addressing that lately on his substack starting with the California nurse whistleblower, Gail Macrae, interview posted 1 Jan 2024. This was confirmed by ICU specialist Dr Paul Marik in the VRSF broadcast posted 12 Jan 2024. Bottom line, in the USA, and other nations following CDC protocols, 90% of ‘covid’ deaths were due to the protocols themselves, including withholding of family visitation, fluids, nutrition, antibiotics, steroids, administration of toxic chemicals, intubation, and sometimes the midazolam/fentanyl euthanasia cocktail when the hospital had obtained the maximum govt payout. The use of safe off-label drugs proven to have antiviral effectiveness could have saved most of the remaining 10%. As ‘covid’ was no more severe than a seasonal flu, real global deaths in the absence of the CDC death protocols would have been less than a million. Meanwhile estimated 13 – 17 million and counting have died from the jabs. Posted by: Drifter | Jan 14 2024 2:59 utc | 94 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 14 2024 1:05 utc | 77 Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2024 3:10 utc | 95 “But in the same time let’s not forget that he spent two years reminding everyone that COVID is a hoax. So he has in his small way contributed to pushing the global death toll towards the 30 million count, which is what we are approaching now… In general, my rule is to cheer every time someone who has done that dies of COVID. Quite a few such cases already, but still only a small fraction of the people who deserve it.” Posted by: shadowbarfed | Jan 14 2024 3:29 utc | 96 by Milites | Jan 14 2024 3:10 utc | 95 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 14 2024 3:45 utc | 97 Forgive me if this has already been mentioned (I did search) but if Austin is dead, isn’t Zaluzhny gone too? (dead again??) Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 14 2024 3:52 utc | 98 PSA: US gov’t employees & contractors can be Charged w/ Complicity in War Crimes re: 18 US Code § 2441 & Complicity in Genocide under 18 US Code § 1091 – VIPS Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 14 2024 3:55 utc | 100 |
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