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January 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-009
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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So Lloyd Austin has been treated for prostate cancer. Apparently a biopsy that went bad, forced him back into ICU. If we can believe that! I wonder if we will see him again. i wonder if this is true! Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 15:52 utc | 1 How many cases of prostate cancer does the military hospital that treated Austin treat in one year ? If the answer is 1 then it is not surprising Austin is still in recovery . Posted by: Cheryl | Jan 11 2024 16:23 utc | 3 I just disbelieve any reporting coming from official US. That has stood me in good stead many, many times! Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:26 utc | 4 https://weapons.substack.com/p/ukraine-in-dire-need-of-new-air-defenses Posted by: chop | Jan 11 2024 16:32 utc | 5 Anyone who has the USA as a friend doesn’t need (….) Posted by: ossi | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 6 Absolutely no fear of Russia or rush to negotiate peace. No way this war ends in a year or two. This is Vietnam 2.0. Posted by: bored | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 7 Ukraine now in Dire Need of New Air Defenses! Posted by: ossi | Jan 11 2024 16:35 utc | 8 @bored | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 7.
So you think the U.S. are losing this war too? Posted by: dustbunny | Jan 11 2024 16:40 utc | 9 “Absolutely no fear of Russia or rush to negotiate peace. No way this war ends in a year or two. This is Vietnam 2.0.” Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:43 utc | 10 Guess with the Houthis in the Red Sea already depleting the ship missiles it’s time for USA to recaclculate how many Patriots they will need for themselves in the future. Posted by: SOS | Jan 11 2024 16:44 utc | 11 Austin’s supposed issue is now far beyond a simple prostate biopsy but actually the removal of his prostate which is a multi-hour operation. And then supposedly he went bad with a UTI that are not uncommon after such surgery– why wouldn’t he be put on prophylactic antibodies?? Given how apparently fucked up the American command authority is now, I’m betting the prostate thing is a cover for a KIA or at least a serious wounding of ole Lloyd while in Ukie land and they have to find a body double and good cover story down. We’ll see… Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 11 2024 16:45 utc | 12 “Does anyone think, like Dima does, that Austin got injured or died during a Russian missile raid on the Ukraine? Posted by: Mary | Jan 11 2024 16:49 utc | 13 @canuck….being the leprechaun I am, the first thing that crossed my my mind when I heard rumor of Mr Austin’s incapacitation was that he had a visit from Dr Kinzhal. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 11 2024 16:49 utc | 14 Newsflash Neo-Barbarians Posted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 15 It would take something as powerful as a kinzhal to knock out an asshole as huge as Austin. Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 11 2024 17:19 utc | 16
Posted by: Down South | Jan 11 2024 17:20 utc | 17
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21152 Posted by: Down South | Jan 11 2024 17:23 utc | 18
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21154 Posted by: Down South | Jan 11 2024 17:26 utc | 19 Posted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 14 Posted by: Macpott | Jan 11 2024 17:35 utc | 20 @Posted by: bored | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 7 https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/44652
This is from the Times so more likely to reflect something of a UK preference in how the conflict develops, which is interesting because the last paragraph is exactly what Ukraine forces did on Dec. 30th when they shelled Belgorod city centre with cluster bombs. Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 11 2024 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 15:52 utc | 1 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 11 2024 17:58 utc | 23 I’m telling you- Austin transitioned. The question is, in which direction? Posted by: Honzo | Jan 11 2024 18:01 utc | 24 Apparently a biopsy that went bad
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 18:05 utc | 25 which direction? Posted by: skn2002 | Jan 11 2024 18:08 utc | 26 One thing might explain the weirdness surrounding Austin – sex change operation? They wanted to avoid controversy so they kept it hush-hush, get ready for the trans-unveiling, barrage of woke festivities, the Blue Eagles will do rainbow chemtrails over the Pentagon. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 18:24 utc | 27 Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 16:14 utc | 2 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:27 utc | 28 Posted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 14 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:28 utc | 29 It should be plain for anyone seriously paying attention that Maerican military dominance is greatly overstated. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 11 2024 18:33 utc | 30 re: Austin. unlikely the Russians would target senior American official. However, Austin did tell the Israelis if they continued on their path in Gaza, they were headed for a strategic defeat. That probably didn’t go over well. Posted by: jayc | Jan 11 2024 18:40 utc | 31 osted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 14 Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 19:10 utc | 31 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 19:12 utc | 33 “NATO is all set to fight the next 1990s war.” Posted by: Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 14 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 19:19 utc | 35 Prostate biopsy with a kinzhal. Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 11 2024 19:22 utc | 36 Come on, this is getting ridiculous now. Posted by: Micron | Jan 11 2024 19:30 utc | 37 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 11 2024 19:22 utc | 35 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 19:35 utc | 38 I think the obsession with timetables reflects the need for quarterly planning by capitalists. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 11 2024 19:36 utc | 39 Posted by: Micron | Jan 11 2024 19:30 utc | 36 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 19:37 utc | 40 Posted by: Micron | Jan 11 2024 19:30 utc | 36 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 19:47 utc | 41 Drones with autopilot homing of a selected target point and long range UA artillery firing from the roadside in order to make a quick getaway (which is a good sign, as it suggests the alternative is too risky).
https://t.me/milinfolive/114172
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 11 2024 19:47 utc | 42 Putin has sacked an official for describing Chabad as a supremacist cult. Posted by: sarz | Jan 11 2024 19:53 utc | 43 Telegram report about Swedish weapon near Russia’s border: Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 11 2024 20:02 utc | 44
So would a solution be to destroy the asphalt roads in the area? If there aren’t civilians there, then destroying the road system in the area around the Swedish 155-mm Archer would help neutralize it, if it can’ be taken out by artillery, missile or drones. Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 11 2024 20:06 utc | 46 Posted by: sarz | Jan 11 2024 19:53 utc | 43 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 20:08 utc | 47 Unaware of decline of its military industry US gets trapped in Ukraine — French historian, 01.11.2024. Posted by: rpst | Jan 11 2024 20:12 utc | 48 Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 19:10 utc | 31 Where are these Archers getting their ammo? Do they fire more than once per hour? How long does the mouse think it can hide from the (flying) cat? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jan 11 2024 20:23 utc | 50 Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 20:13 utc | 49 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 20:30 utc | 51 Given his ethnicity it is no surprise that Austin got prostate cancer. Given his obesity he would have been tough to operate on even using a robot. Given that along with his age of 70 it was a high risk operation. Here in the UK that risk would make the NHS almost certainly reject him for surgery, making him go down the radiation path. No doubt in the US it is different. Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 11 2024 20:39 utc | 52 WOW! I was extremely impressed with the case presently by South Africa to the ICJ yesterday. Mandela would be proud, watching the proceedings from up there>>>> Posted by: Menz | Jan 11 2024 20:45 utc | 53 Amro Ali reposted Posted by: Menz | Jan 11 2024 20:52 utc | 54 Shoigu and the rest of the MoD proly don’t read MoA on a daily basis (if it’s even known of, for that matter) so the trolls are just beating off, with the sock puppets using both hands. Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 11 2024 20:53 utc | 55 Saul Staniforth Posted by: Menz | Jan 11 2024 20:58 utc | 56 My guess with Austin is if we don’t see him in the media soon something is fishy. If we get a report he died of prostate cancer or complication then we know the Kiev 3rd Jan strike holds credence. All I know for fact is if you have a major op like prostate cancer it’s known in advance and as the man who allegedly commands the nuclear codes or whatever bullshit the US portrays its completely beyond believe that the Government did not know or was not informed. Alex and Alexander has a good thesis on it recently regarding the situation. I think a week or so we will know more information but the signals from.washington appear there is a huge mess and power struggle happening that they can’t contain within the media safety blanket and need time to make up a believable story. Posted by: Scot1and | Jan 11 2024 21:04 utc | 58 Lev Davidovich @ 41
By nature or mission trolls don’t do sensible. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 21:07 utc | 59 Posted by: Micron | Jan 11 2024 19:30 utc | 37 Posted by: zorge | Jan 11 2024 21:08 utc | 60 There’s going to to be so much gold standard, fixed exchange rate type thinking coming out regarding the frozen foreign currency that will be stolen. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 21:12 utc | 61 Posted by: Scot1and | Jan 11 2024 21:04 utc | 58 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 21:17 utc | 62 >>Austin’s supposed issue is now far beyond a simple prostate biopsy but actually the removal of his prostate which is a multi-hour operation. And then supposedly he went bad with a UTI that are not uncommon after such surgery– why wouldn’t he be put on prophylactic antibodies?? Given how apparently fucked up the American command authority is now, I’m betting the prostate thing is a cover for a KIA or at least a serious wounding of ole Lloyd while in Ukie land and they have to find a body double and good cover story down. We’ll see… Posted by: Jmaas | Jan 11 2024 21:23 utc | 63 The White House announced the suspension of supplies of weapons and equipment to Ukraine, 01.11.2024. Posted by: rpst | Jan 11 2024 21:26 utc | 64 Everything we read about “Ukro army almost finished” are just lies. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 21:30 utc | 65 … Maria Zakharova specifically accuses the UK of being behind the Belgorod attack (*). If that is true, and it was correctly judged that Russia would respond with a big salvo of the missiles the west has made a big deal of Russia stockpiling, then the UK might have directed the Belgorod attack with the intention that high ranking NATO personnel be killed in the hopes of dragging NATO a little closer to direct confrontation with Russia. Posted by: smuks | Jan 11 2024 21:31 utc | 66 Posted by: rpst | Jan 11 2024 21:26 utc | 64 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 21:40 utc | 67 https://t.me/ukraine_watch/14818 Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 11 2024 21:43 utc | 68 Those 100 missiles they dropped all over Ukraine recently, could have cleaned out everything in front of Chasiv Yar for example. If dropped on the strongholds in front of Chasiv Yar. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 21:56 utc | 69 Echo Chamber @ 65
They’re working on it: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 22:00 utc | 70 Finster 68: But why shouldn’t they go from Poland to Germany? No German politician will ever dare to send these poor people back to Ukraine to fight – they would rather send the Bundeswehr. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 11 2024 22:01 utc | 71 Jmaas | Jan 11 2024 21:23 utc | 63 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 11 2024 22:05 utc | 72 The Western military leaders watching Russian tactics must be saying to themselves – ” All they try to do is flank positions and try and encircle every position from the left and right ” – ” It’s all they try to do. ” very poorly at times. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 22:05 utc | 73 UK Cabinet dmeeting at this moment on whether to attack Yemen with the US, maybe tonight. Ukraine would then really be last year’s news. Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 11 2024 22:10 utc | 74 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 22:00 utc | 70 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 22:14 utc | 75 One thing not mentioned by anyone on this site (or anywhere else much) is the non role of Kathleen Hicks. Posted by: watcher | Jan 11 2024 22:21 utc | 76 ‼️BREAKING Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 22:22 utc | 77 Finster 68: But why shouldn’t they go from Poland to Germany? No German politician will ever dare to send these poor people back to Ukraine to fight – they would rather send the Bundeswehr. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 11 2024 22:27 utc | 78 “Mark my words. Believe if you wish this stalemate nonsense. Russia is bleeding the West white.” How the mighty UK has fallen. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 22:45 utc | 81 Just occurred to me, Yemen strikes are a rather timely distraction from the SA UN court genocide hearings, weird too that you would announce a strike before hand, wouldn’t it be better to hit your enemy unannounced then announce it afterward? They are hyping a new show to get you to change your channel. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 22:47 utc | 82 To chew your way through another 300k Ukrainians. It will take another 100 weeks at the current death rate of attrition of around 3k per week. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 22:47 utc | 83 sln2002 @ 81
Ok, but how about they give that little sprite Sunak a Homburg, some lifts in his shoes, and a big Cuban to beef his image up? And by Cuban I mean a cigar and not a burly latino boyfriend. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 11 2024 22:58 utc | 84 If Russia has started killing massed mercenaries, that means that there are still men fanatic enough to come to Ukraine to kill Russians. Who are these guys? Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 11 2024 22:58 utc | 85 Posted by: Micron | Jan 11 2024 19:30 utc | 37 Posted by: Milites | Jan 11 2024 23:02 utc | 86 Just occurred to me, Yemen strikes are a rather timely distraction from the SA UN court genocide hearings, weird too that you would announce a strike before hand, wouldn’t it be better to hit your enemy unannounced then announce it afterward? They are hyping a new show to get you to change your channel. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 11 2024 23:08 utc | 87 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 22:05 utc | 73 Posted by: Milites | Jan 11 2024 23:11 utc | 88 “Jews in the Walls” music video on Simplicius video channel is hilarious. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 11 2024 23:15 utc | 89
Surely you mean WW1? Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 11 2024 23:16 utc | 90 Prostate surgery is major surgery, though less traumatic than it used to be with robotic laparoscopic methods, and I’m sure Walter Reed has good equipment and surgical teams. I went through that a long time ago when I was 58 and not a fat 70 year old black man. My recovery was uneventful, but I was weak as a blind kitten for weeks and my full vigor took 6 months. if he had complications such as leakage from the anastomosis that required subsequent surgery that could keep him in the hospital out of an excess of caution, whereas an ordinary schmuck gets booted out after one night. Posted by: A. Pols | Jan 11 2024 23:20 utc | 91 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 11 2024 21:56 utc | 69 Posted by: Suresh | Jan 11 2024 23:29 utc | 92 Posted by: A. Pols | Jan 11 2024 23:20 utc | 91 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 23:47 utc | 93 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 11 2024 23:16 utc | 90 Posted by: Milites | Jan 12 2024 0:16 utc | 94 “Dropping a hundred missiles on 4 square miles might make a lot of sense to you but not to the Russian military.” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 12 2024 0:24 utc | 95 4+ is an arbitrary number, according to Richard Ablin inventor of the PSA test. The PSA is not definitive and results in significant excess surgeries, as the patient looks to his Urologist savior to “Get it out!”. The urologist who has been trained in surgery is incented by fees and relentless malpractice exposure to proceed. The MRI exam is non invasive and you are unlikely to have malignant cancer with a metasis showing up on the MRI. However, beyond your 50s you are 50% likely to test positive for prostate cancer through a biopsy but the iincidence of a malignant cancer vs a non malignant strain are quite low. We do not have the technology to distinguish between malignant and non malignant cancer so it all gets taken out. Prostrate surgery is extremely difficult and botched operations aren’t unusual. Which is why Austin’s situation is quite plausible. Fortunately there has been tremendous gains in oncology over the past decade so surgery is now the last resort. Posted by: Turk 152 | Jan 12 2024 0:35 utc | 96 BEWARE of the ideologues when they start talking about the stolen Russian funds. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 12 2024 1:11 utc | 97 Point of information SOS @11: The Patriot Air Defense System is land based and does not use the same missiles as the AEGIS naval system. So the Houthi attacks will not affect the supply of Patriot missiles. Posted by: mjh | Jan 12 2024 1:13 utc | 98 Find, fix, flank, Posted by: Echo Chamber | Jan 12 2024 1:30 utc | 99 Does anyone think, like Dima does, that Austin got injured or died during a Russian missile raid on the Ukraine? Posted by: James M. | Jan 12 2024 1:54 utc | 100 |
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