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January 7, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-005
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://karlof1.substack.com/p/high-kudos-the-russian-art-of-war Posted by: marcjf | Jan 7 2024 15:48 utc | 1 The small crossings of the Dnieper continue. The overall futility of them is well enough established that even Ukrainian sources with Ukrainian soldier accounts are common. Now it’s been a relatively mild winter so far but I saw a video yesterday where a Russian drone was dropping charges at an inflatable boat. It missed and the soldiers made it to the left bank and scrambled out (the boat and all its supplies was hit just after). What I thought about was all those guys got to the other side with no supplies and limited cover. They arrived all soaked from the waist down at least. Posted by: Lex | Jan 7 2024 16:04 utc | 3 Merry Christmas! Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 7 2024 16:15 utc | 4 @Lex 2. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 7 2024 16:19 utc | 5 https://t.me/ZandVchannel/95047
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 7 2024 16:22 utc | 6 I think the SMO has to be seen as a fixing attack; a tar-baby to suck up the resources of the west; and as such, don’t expect it to end until the west stops sending support and the Ukes surrender. In the meantime, new fronts open, such as Israel, and more western resources are drained and tied down. Hezbollah can tie down 120k IDF at the cost of a few rockets. Yemen can cut Red Sea shipping with a few drones, and the west simply can’t do anything about it. If there’s a hint that they are attempting to concentrate forces against Yemen/Iran, DPRK shells an island, and pins US forces in the Far East. Any attempt to put out one fire leads to the outbreak of another, and the west doesn’t have the firemen to deal with them. They didn’t even try in Niger, because of the drain of the SMO, and I expect the US base there will close in the not too distant future without a shot fired. Posted by: Honzo | Jan 7 2024 16:24 utc | 7 The tanks delivered to Ukraine by the West were not miracle weapons, but rather exposed the weaknesses of the Western arms industry. This also applies to other Western weapon systems that are not suitable for real war use. Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2024 16:45 utc | 8 Aleks from Black Mountain Analysis dropped a huge and detailed article about the destiny of Ukraine, the EU, and the US. What we need is somehow to be kept positive despite all the gloom. B has a knack of explaining, and the barflies of commenting in a varied way. Thanks to all. I love Honzo’s summary in No.6 Posted by: anaisanesse | Jan 7 2024 16:54 utc | 10 this may seem offtopic, but can anyone here provide a direct link to that disgusting and insulting ukrainian state tv music video that they released on christmas eve? (orthodox, not their newfound satanic one). i saw a clip in the latest alex christforou video at the 33:40 mark of it. cant sort that twitter account of blackrussian tv by date where that video is posted allegedly. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 7 2024 17:13 utc | 11 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 7 2024 17:13 utc | 10 Posted by: Zet | Jan 7 2024 17:28 utc | 12 Good God, the ‘U.K. is recycling every trope in Ukraine Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jan 7 2024 17:42 utc | 13 Posted by: Zet | Jan 7 2024 17:28 utc | 11 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 7 2024 17:43 utc | 14 The M1 Abrams tanks supplied by the USA to Ukraine are so unsuitable for war that they have not yet been used at the front. Aside from the fact that, like the German Leopards, they are far too heavy for the Ukrainian terrain and can therefore quickly get stuck in the Ukrainian mud, the M1 Abrams tanks are also so poorly armored that they have not even been used yet the front sends. Retrofitted armor is supposed to help, but this can only be used in the dry season next summer because it makes the tanks even heavier. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 17:46 utc | 15 …The Abrams is pretty well armored, or at least the Leopard 2 should not have a massive edge over it when talking comparable versions; in addition it has separate storage with external venting for all its ammunition which I believe no other tank has (usually it is partial if present at all) a big plus in my book….. Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2024 18:02 utc | 16 summary: Posted by: Zet | Jan 7 2024 18:04 utc | 17 Addendum Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2024 18:06 utc | 18 Anyone who is interested should read to find out the truth, whoever has a better source… bring it on or keep quiet about losses Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2024 18:19 utc | 19 Moreover.. Posted by: ossi | Jan 7 2024 18:29 utc | 20 Seems like a lot of trouble given the installation works will be visible from space so there won’t be many secrets.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 7 2024 18:34 utc | 21 Here is a link to a timely and topical paper “New Trends of the Russian Import Substitution Strategy”, from the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations ==> http://www.cicir.ac.cn/UpFiles/file/20230406/6381639405631433858275006.pdf
Posted by: too scents | Jan 7 2024 18:37 utc | 22
It isn’t futile for NATO.
Maybe, but so what? Those are old tanks, already paid for, and what were they going to be used for anyway? Nobody will fight an open land war with Russia. It will be a missile war with nukes. So as long as you can get a lot of Russians killed, disposing of that equipment is not a real cost.
Same with the planes. There are thousands of F-16s towards the end of their life span. Throw them at Russia — it’s a low cost way to eat AD missiles, score some kills on their air force, and destroy a fair few Russian air defense units. Those are real losses for Russia with the war that really matters in mind — in the future missile war it will be naval, air and air defense assets that matter. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 18:37 utc | 23 Posted by: Thomas | Jan 7 2024 16:49 utc | 9 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 7 2024 19:04 utc | 24 Honzo @ 6
I’d hold off on the optimism, bet this is like Vietnam, USA is muzzling in on the France’s turf, or, more correctly not so much its turf but vassal France is being fired for having fucked up management of Central Africa while the Emperor was busy with other things.
Guaranteed RF will take Kharkov and Odessa, after all the military trouble RF has had with attacks on Crimea and the entire Belgrade area from Odessa and Kharkov areas, it’s impossible they won’t do whatever is necessary to take those cities. No other reasons matter, culture, history, demographics, if 1 million Papua New Guineans lived in Odessa with no ties to Russia whatsoever, Russia would still have to take it. It would be an enormous strategic blunder for Russia’s future security to not own it fully and garrison it, and this war is all about Russia’s future security. Even if the Putin administration for some reason tried to make a bargain over those cities the MoD would overrule or overthrow him. Russia is waiting for the AFU to collapse or falter enough to make their move with minimal death and destruction, everything about this war has been scorched earth, actually lunar landscape, by NATO and their Ukrainian lackeys, I’m sure they would have no problem razing Odessa and Kharkov to the ground. Question is how will the USA respond to Russia’s attempt to taking Odessa and forever ending their well planned dream of controlling the Black Sea. It’s a big, costly, dream to end. If NATO responds militarily then we are in the prelude to war not the final stage of the SMO. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 7 2024 19:10 utc | 25 This is nonsense!!! Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 19:10 utc | 26 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 17:46 utc | 14 Posted by: 600w | Jan 7 2024 19:33 utc | 28
They’re actually on video now, sending tanks to blow up all buildings in the Donbass villages they are retreating from, so that there is nothing left for the Russians… Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 19:36 utc | 29 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 18:37 utc | 23 Posted by: Macpott | Jan 7 2024 19:48 utc | 30 USA saved the entire world from Nazism in the 1940’s. Posted by: utc | Jan 7 2024 20:25 utc | 31 This is the M1A1 model (possibly an export variant). Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 20:31 utc | 32 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 7 2024 16:24 utc | 7 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2024 20:59 utc | 33 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 18:37 utc | 23 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2024 21:01 utc | 34 @ 31 utc Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 21:03 utc | 35 “..USA saved the entire world from Nazism in the 1940’s. Posted by: bevin | Jan 7 2024 21:11 utc | 36 “USA saved the entire world from Nazism in the 1940’s.” Posted by: armati | Jan 7 2024 21:13 utc | 37 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 20:31 utc | 32 Posted by: 600w | Jan 7 2024 21:23 utc | 38 Reading TG the biggest hell since the start of the SMO is raining down in the Kharkov area. It’s been building for a while, reaching a crescendo maybe, something is certainly up. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 7 2024 21:30 utc | 39 @ 36 bevin Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 21:36 utc | 40 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 21:36 utc | 40 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2024 21:44 utc | 41 but my lips always must speak the truth. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 7 2024 21:47 utc | 43 They’re actually on video now, sending tanks to blow up all buildings in the Donbass villages they are retreating from, so that there is nothing left for the Russians… Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 7 2024 21:47 utc | 44 @41 pretzel Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 21:49 utc | 45 Simplicius puts up this interview. The video seems to come to an end but runs on if you let it. Posted by: English Outsider | Jan 7 2024 21:58 utc | 46
Russia has nuclear-powered cruise missiles now, which means it has achieved sufficient miniaturization of nuclear reactors, as well as, presumably, mass production of those. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 22:01 utc | 47 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 21:49 utc | 45 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2024 22:16 utc | 48 @40. Posted by: paddy | Jan 7 2024 22:19 utc | 49
Good point. That happened sufficiently late in the war for there to have been no hope of them beating the Soviets to it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 22:20 utc | 50 Apparently Ukraine took out 2 Pantsir Systems in the Belgorod region. Posted by: bored | Jan 7 2024 22:26 utc | 51
See, this is why the Anglo-Saxons have been winning for so long. They always have you on the back foot, always engineering wars and instability, etc. etc. It’s why the USSR lost the Cold War too — once the idiot Khrushchev made “peaceful coexistence” the official policy, that ensured the eventual defeat, because it meant they were going in strategic defense mode. And despite actually expanding to a lot of Third world countries in the 1960s and 1970s, in the end we saw what happened. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 22:35 utc | 52
If you look at the drone footage, it looks like misses. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 22:37 utc | 53 @ utc | Jan 7 2024 20:25 utc | 31 Posted by: kvp | Jan 7 2024 22:39 utc | 54 Assuming weight and reliability are not a total deal breaker, of course… Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 22:44 utc | 55 Re: ongoing discussion about ww2 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2024 22:46 utc | 56 Ukraine’s defeat is strengthening some NATO weapons like HIMARS, sea drones, cheap rotor drones, etc. This is dangerous. Russia must develop new weapons to counter them and defeat these NATO weapons during the war. Not thereafter. Posted by: Jason | Jan 7 2024 22:47 utc | 57 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 22:44 utc | 55 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 7 2024 23:06 utc | 58 Russia and China are Melding | Dmitry Orlov on Dialogue works: Posted by: Toby C | Jan 7 2024 23:07 utc | 59 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 7 2024 22:37 utc | 53 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 7 2024 23:12 utc | 60 USA saved the entire world from Nazism in the 1940’s. EMP drones are sort of pointless. To produce EMP you either need a lot of energy or close proximity to the electronics. But if close proximity, much simpler to just shoot or bomb the electronics directly. Lot of energy means a huge drone to carry the EMP bomb, and huge drones expensive and easy to target and shoot down. Same reasons EMP is not used to defend against manned aircraft. Drones attacking drones directly is much more obvious, and existing technology. Getting existing technology to work properly in drone form is not so easy, of course. Posted by: anonposter | Jan 7 2024 23:24 utc | 62 NemesisCalling@56 Posted by: bevin | Jan 7 2024 23:33 utc | 63 @ 36 bevin “..the allied invasion of Sicily where Hitler moved much of his Army from the eastern front to meet them.” NemesisCalling@40 Posted by: bevin | Jan 7 2024 23:43 utc | 65 I regret not archiving that browser plugin that enabled blocking certain commentators. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 8 2024 0:09 utc | 66 Kiev’s problem with the broken-down German tanks”. Unfortunately, Spiegel doesn’t tell you what exactly the problem is with the supposedly best battle tank in the world Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 8 2024 0:11 utc | 67 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 8 2024 0:11 utc | 67 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2024 0:22 utc | 68
The logic is the following: Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 0:36 utc | 70 About tanks: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 8 2024 1:10 utc | 71 Posted by: utc | Jan 7 2024 20:25 utc | 31 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 8 2024 1:19 utc | 72 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 8 2024 1:10 utc | 71 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 8 2024 1:45 utc | 73 @shadowbanned, #23 Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 8 2024 2:17 utc | 74 I heard a good one today. How many dead ukies does it take to lose a war? All of them! Now that’s intertainment! Posted by: nook | Jan 8 2024 2:20 utc | 75 Mercouris’s secret informant Posted by: migueljose | Jan 8 2024 2:26 utc | 76 @ 65 bevin Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 8 2024 2:28 utc | 77 @Honzo 7 Posted by: Sam | Jan 8 2024 2:51 utc | 78 ” WEST” Posted by: Sam | Jan 8 2024 2:52 utc | 79 @70 shadow Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 8 2024 3:15 utc | 80 @Bevin 65 Posted by: Sam | Jan 8 2024 3:19 utc | 81 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 8 2024 0:09 utc | 66 Even Kursk, despite ostensibly being a loss for the Wehrmacht, saw a massive disparity in casualty figures in favor of Germany […]. And beyond, Uranus was a total failure for the Soviets. Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Jan 8 2024 4:05 utc | 84 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 0:36 utc | 70 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 8 2024 0:09 utc | 66 @84 north Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 8 2024 4:23 utc | 87 shаdοwbanned @47 re “Nuclear Tanks” Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jan 8 2024 4:49 utc | 88 Soviets could only manage parity despite having every advantage. The figures indicate a general incompetence on the Soviet side which they never really overcame. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 4:57 utc | 89 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 8 2024 2:28 utc | 77 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 4:59 utc | 90 “Those who do not stand in amazement and awe at the way that the peoples of the USSR defended themselves (and all of us) during the war are guilty of irreverence bordering on contempt for humanity in a moment of the highest achievements of ordinary folk.” Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 8 2024 5:23 utc | 91 From Simplicius: Posted by: Digital Dinosaur | Jan 8 2024 5:31 utc | 92 Honzo @ 6 Posted by: Honzo | Jan 8 2024 5:53 utc | 93 It looks like newly made Czech and Slovak weapons were used to kill the civilians in Belgorod and the Donbass. From Telegram: Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 8 2024 6:18 utc | 94
Posted by: Down South | Jan 8 2024 6:39 utc | 95
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/21108 Posted by: Down South | Jan 8 2024 6:47 utc | 97
Posted by: Down South | Jan 8 2024 6:49 utc | 98 Sorry mate but you are off track. First of all the soviets and then the russians have put autoloaders in every tank model since the T-64, so it is basically since the 60’s. That takes the form of carousel autoloader under the turret, with extra rounds carried all over the place in the crew compartment. They only partly fixed the latter starting from certain versions of the T-90 with external bustle storage (or at least that was what looked). Full separation has been around only since the Armata which is rather peculiar in how it protects. Posted by: ossi | Jan 8 2024 7:09 utc | 99 Posted by: Toby C | Jan 7 2024 23:07 utc | 59 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 8 2024 7:58 utc | 100 |
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