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January 7, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-005
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Ukraine Weekly Update: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-bad Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 8 2024 8:42 utc | 101 In the last around 2009 I not only read, spent hours and days in it….incidentally…the older models of the T still had a crew of 4. From around 1999 these were replaced…only with 4 men and automatic loading or semi-automatic. ..then completely reduced to 3 men with fully automatic operation. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 8 2024 9:24 utc | 102
Thanks for this. Good information and ideas. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 9:54 utc | 103 Analog Devices’ field applications engineer Jon Kraft is out with his 2nd radar tutorial video. Posted by: too scents | Jan 8 2024 10:13 utc | 104 Yes karlof1 at 69, we should say a friendly hello and thanks to seemingly new contributor: ossi. 🙂 It has been a breath of fresh air in a rather brutal slog of near-daily Ukraine topic comment boards. The Russian tank materiel info to undo Western FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) propaganda is well received. So hello, ossi! Posted by: titmouse | Jan 8 2024 10:15 utc | 105 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 9:54 utc | 103 Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 8 2024 10:20 utc | 106 “Guaranteed RF will take Kharkov and Odessa, after all the military trouble RF has had with attacks on Crimea and the entire Belgrade area from Odessa and Kharkov areas, it’s impossible they won’t do whatever is necessary to take those cities. No other reasons matter, culture, history, demographics, if 1 million Papua New Guineans lived in Odessa with no ties to Russia whatsoever, Russia would still have to take it.” everything about this war has been scorched earth, actually lunar landscape, by NATO and their Ukrainian lackeys, I’m sure they would have no problem razing Odessa and Kharkov to the ground. Victor vicktop55 Posted by: rpst | Jan 8 2024 11:03 utc | 109 Posted by: Digital Dinosaur | Jan 8 2024 5:31 utc | 92 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 11:04 utc | 110 “Because you are a scientific communist, you can not entertain any line of questioning like this, so I know you are limited in what you can offer. I will continue, however, to try to give you the benefit of the doubt even though you are unable to help with this endeavor.” https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/44560
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Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 11:12 utc | 112 @Honzo 7 Starokonstantinov airfield – six arrivals at once. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 8 2024 11:29 utc | 114 RUS: MEDICAL STUFF – SMO Posted by: MD | Jan 8 2024 11:41 utc | 115 https://ukraina.ru/20240108/1052580578.html Posted by: MD | Jan 8 2024 11:55 utc | 116
Probably still inflated but closer to truth, passing it along. Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 8 2024 12:04 utc | 117 re: 114 (f-16’s), just noticed this from this morning.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 8 2024 12:07 utc | 118 North Korean missiles for the Russian army ?! Posted by: MD | Jan 8 2024 12:15 utc | 119 Posted by: MD | Jan 8 2024 12:15 utc | 119 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 12:26 utc | 120 Re: Posted by: Honzo | Jan 7 2024 16:24 utc | 7
Some amazing post-hoc rationalizations here. Posted by: Julian | Jan 8 2024 12:35 utc | 121 CONCERNING 404/UKRAINE SMO: Posted by: MD | Jan 8 2024 12:44 utc | 122 Swedish “defense” minister: Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 13:13 utc | 123 Posted by: titmouse | Jan 8 2024 10:15 utc | 105 Posted by: Down South | Jan 8 2024 13:20 utc | 124 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 13:13 utc | 123 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2024 13:24 utc | 125 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2024 13:24 utc | 125 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 13:41 utc | 126 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 13:41 utc | 126 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2024 13:58 utc | 127 “Russia Claims Lloyd Austin Died in Missile Strike in Ukraine Posted by: Austin Died? | Jan 8 2024 14:01 utc | 128 Posted by: Austin Died? | Jan 8 2024 14:01 utc | 128 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 14:03 utc | 129 godlikeproductions . com/forum1/message5615738/pg1 Posted by: Austin Died? | Jan 8 2024 14:13 utc | 130 Posted by: Austin Died? | Jan 8 2024 14:01 utc | 128 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 14:14 utc | 131 @128….when I read the bit about elective surgery and hmm….complications, for a second, just a second mind you…..but it crossed my mind, maybe, just maybe Russia capped the bastard…..oh, sing of joy yee Angles. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 8 2024 14:16 utc | 132 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 8 2024 14:16 utc | 132 Posted by: knighthawk | Jan 8 2024 14:42 utc | 133 @Honzo | Jan 7 2024 16:24 utc | 7
Excellent idea about DPRK there Honzo. Everyone knows that RocketMan doesn’t give a damn, so in honour of Russia’s second year in Ukraine RocketMan should send a few shells into Seoul. And then keep sending a few shells into Seoul and surrounds every day just like Hezbollah is doing in Israel. Its about time the Korean peninsular was united again. The North Koreans can be viewed in the same light as the Houthis: damn stubborn, belligerent and not too easy to deal with. Posted by: gT | Jan 8 2024 14:50 utc | 134 Perhaps this was covered a while back, but a few days ago Simplicius offered an article: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/under-the-radar-major-cia-revelations
Then it discusses force capabilities etc. but to me what is most interesting is that there are negotiations back and forth all along with this SMO. No doubt there are similar machinations around Gaza-The Middle East though here there are more possibilities for things getting out of hand, aka ‘escalation’. unimperator 125: Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 8 2024 15:09 utc | 136 it is not England that is ‘the plotter’ but the City of London the stronghold of the Anglo/Zionists-City of London is not UK nor England , it is a supranational entity. Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 8 2024 15:10 utc | 137 Where all “experts” agree, extreme caution is required… Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jan 8 2024 15:13 utc | 138 Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 8 2024 4:14 utc | 86 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 8 2024 15:31 utc | 139 by Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 7 2024 16:19 utc | 5 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 8 2024 16:01 utc | 141
The austerity and ramped-up totalitarism is a given. But I don’t see how EUrope will be able to pick up where/when Ukraine leaves the battlefield. We’ve seen a lot of strange things over the years but I lack the fantasy of EUropean men going into the trenches in the way Ukrainians did. Maybe Poles would be an exception (I hope not!) — if someone from Poland could comment what’s the feeling at home is like about fighting Russia, please tell us. Posted by: konami | Jan 8 2024 16:20 utc | 142
First of all it clearly demonstartes that you are a liar, because the article by Simplicius says nothing of the kind. FSB or GRU communicating with the CIA behind the curtains? Might be. They have been doing this for decades, would do this now. Putin? In your wet dreams only, liar. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jan 8 2024 16:20 utc | 143 realrawnews.com/2024/01/russian-claim-austin-dead-in-ukraine/ Posted by: Austin dead source | Jan 8 2024 16:32 utc | 144 But if Austin was meeting with Zaluzhny when the bunker was blasted, what became of Zaluzhny? Was he killed (again)? Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2024 16:38 utc | 145 Also, the Russians have gone out of their way NOT to eliminate high profile westerners when they visit the Ukronazi entity — a few generals possibly holed up in the Azovstal tunnels being the only arguable exception. Seems to me the Russians would take pains NOT to off Austin, who would be a low-value (if high-profile) target anyway. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2024 16:43 utc | 146 it’s getting a little hard to find articles on the current status of the Ukraine war on youtube. what a shock. all the articles I found were from sites like Times Radio on why Putin is losing. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 8 2024 16:58 utc | 147 by malenkov | Jan 8 2024 16:43 utc | 146 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 8 2024 17:03 utc | 148 Shadowbanned Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jan 8 2024 17:05 utc | 149 Question. Posted by: golddigger | Jan 8 2024 17:13 utc | 150 Latest of Alastair Croock on SCF Posted by: Antonio Ferrao | Jan 8 2024 17:15 utc | 151 @ golddigger | Jan 8 2024 17:13 utc | 150 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2024 17:20 utc | 152 Zalujni ? Dead ? Again ? what is he, Rei Ayanami’s hidden brother ? Posted by: Savonarole | Jan 8 2024 17:34 utc | 153 How’s the battle for Odessa going? Not started? (But it’s started in the Barfly heads. Who cares about objective reality. That’s so Newtonian.) Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 8 2024 17:53 utc | 154 Never occurred to me Austin was killed in Ukraine, I’m getting slow in my dotage. The entire story out of the Biden admin is shaky as hell given nuclear codes and succession and the troubled times we are in. It is certainly bad visuals, I don’t see why an official message out of the WH wouldn’t just say, “of course we knew all about it but out of respect for his privacy we didn’t bring it up.” Much better lie than saying we’re clueless in times of global crisis. Ukraine isn’t the only Country 404, USA and EU all too often crash as well at this point, Biden is just plain blue screened, so, it may all be as incompetent as it seems. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2024 17:54 utc | 155 The propaganda that damned Ukraine Chas Freeman Jr. Unheard Posted by: upstater | Jan 8 2024 18:00 utc | 156 Posted by: Austin dead source | Jan 8 2024 16:32 utc | 144 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 8 2024 18:01 utc | 157 Russia would never intentionally target Austin as they would risk their own top command for same treatment. Internet foolishness. Ukraine might try this, but not with US assistance. Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 8 2024 18:06 utc | 158 @ Anonymous | Jan 8 2024 17:53 utc | 154 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2024 18:12 utc | 159 Hamas using North Korean weapons – Seoul Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 18:22 utc | 160
What was posted above is obvious trolling. Just look at the language used. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 18:30 utc | 161 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 8 2024 16:43 utc | 146 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 18:39 utc | 162 Subject Austin Posted by: schkid | Jan 8 2024 18:47 utc | 163
https://t.me/readovkanews/72067
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 18:51 utc | 164 Oh, and guess who is freezing in the depth of winter now…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 18:55 utc | 165 https://t.me/FSBRyazan/6643?single
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 18:56 utc | 166 Re: Posted by: Honzo | Jan 7 2024 16:24 utc | 7 So let’s revisit the sequence of events. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 19:52 utc | 168 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 19:52 utc | 168 Posted by: ryanggg | Jan 8 2024 20:14 utc | 169 Of course NATO weapons (and probably aimed remotely by NATO crews) were used to attack Belgorod. Of course this was a calculated act of terror, pure and simple. Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 8 2024 20:24 utc | 170 I see no reason not to believe that Austin wasn’t injured in the Russian missile strike on the Ukrainian hotel that was being used as a foreign merc and NATO gathering point. That would make more sense than the ridiculous notion he actually died, with having to then stage a fake funeral, televised and all.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:29 utc | 171 More on Austin from the WSJ. I agree that this seems to be a dramatic break from precedent and that something definitely stinks in suburbia. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:34 utc | 172 re: My comment at 20:29 – I guess what I meant to say is a REAL funeral if he actually died, and then followed up with him going into hiding. Or a fake funeral in the sense that he is maimed and an open casket affair would have to be very carefully stage managed depending on the types of injuries. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:41 utc | 173 French readers may be interested by this recent interview of Emmanuel Todd by Le Point: Posted by: neutrino | Jan 8 2024 20:51 utc | 174 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:29 utc | 171 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 20:55 utc | 175 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:41 utc | 173 Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 20:57 utc | 176 The Austin thing is certainly weird. Posted by: watcher | Jan 8 2024 21:01 utc | 177 @Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:41 utc | 173 Posted by: Paranaense | Jan 8 2024 21:02 utc | 178
There is also a massive COVID wave picking up steam in the US (and already causing disaster in some European countries, including in Russia, which is why you once again see, if you look carefully, people in masks around Putin). But the political mandate is to pretend it is not happening, so they will never say if someone high ranking dies or is hospitalized with it. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 21:04 utc | 179 Even pbs, six hours ago, at Posted by: Oh | Jan 8 2024 21:09 utc | 180 OK Shadow Posted by: watcher | Jan 8 2024 21:20 utc | 181 https://t.me/ZandVchannel/95213
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 8 2024 21:23 utc | 182 This a place for debate I was told. So let’s debate. Posted by: Naive | Jan 8 2024 21:29 utc | 183 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 8 2024 20:34 utc | 172 Posted by: Milites | Jan 8 2024 21:30 utc | 184 anon2020 @ 182 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2024 21:38 utc | 186
Whenever you see someone dying of “pneumonia” these days, it is because they don’t want to tell you it was COVID. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 21:41 utc | 187 Retaliation for Belgorod, it seems, what a traumatic experience it must be for them that they are not allowed to do anything in this world… Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 8 2024 21:43 utc | 188 Cheer up, Shadowbanned, the inability of the former US aerospace titan Boeing to make aircraft that don’t either nosedive into oceans or decompress above 16,000 feet is surely a better omen for Russia than a problem with the heating systems in a few Moscow blocks, sad though that may be when the temperature is so low. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 8 2024 21:49 utc | 189
Mostly I am just posting here what people inside Russia are saying. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 21:53 utc | 190 Posted by: Naive | Jan 8 2024 21:29 utc | 183 Posted by: watcher | Jan 8 2024 21:58 utc | 191 “And this is the logic behind the terror bombings — make Russians unhappy with Putin.” Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 22:01 utc | 192 shаdοwbanned @165 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2024 22:06 utc | 193 There are so many Ukro sleeping terrorist cells in Russia. Posted by: zorge | Jan 8 2024 22:20 utc | 194
They are aware, but you still don’t get the full picture. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 22:23 utc | 195 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 8 2024 21:49 utc | 189 Posted by: Milites | Jan 8 2024 22:25 utc | 196 https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/8889 shаdοwbanned @ 195 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2024 22:39 utc | 198 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 8 2024 22:23 utc | 195 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 8 2024 22:53 utc | 199 Crooke’s latest SCF essay, his interview with Judge Napolitano, and link to something else by Simplicius that might surprise a few are all here, “Crooke on Ukraine, Gaza & the Imperial Narrative’s Demise”. |
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