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January 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-003
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://t.me/intelslava/54452 Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1 @ Naive Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 20:03 utc | 3 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of January 5, 2024) Posted by: Luiza Lur | Jan 5 2024 20:03 utc | 4 Since I’m early, I’ll post a few observations. First, thanks B and all those who post facts and real information. If you need to rant mindlessly about the evil of the West, it’s politicians etc. point taken, enough ranting. Also endless iterations about the financial collapse of the West, without evidence, are useless. Posted by: Mbartv | Jan 5 2024 20:04 utc | 5 gents, are there any news about UKR bagging Gerasimov with unexpected strike? Posted by: DeChristo | Jan 5 2024 20:17 utc | 6 If true, this would be absolutely great news. It could only be topped off by the Ukies nailing the Shoigu. Posted by: Micron | Jan 5 2024 20:23 utc | 7 “If true, this would be absolutely great news. It could only be topped off by the Ukies nailing the Shoigu.” Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 20:33 utc | 8 DeChristo @ 6: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 5 2024 20:37 utc | 9 intel republic (https://t.me/IntelRepublic) is report a mysterious fire broke out in a New Jersey warehouse that was storing undelivered weapons for Ukraine. Local businessman Tony Soprano, stated that this “was clearly an unfortunate accident”. Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2024 20:46 utc | 10
from X Olga Bazova Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 20:48 utc | 11 RE: Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 21:02 utc | 12 RE: RE: Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 21:12 utc | 13
Posted by: Down South | Jan 5 2024 21:12 utc | 14
Ukrainian CIPSO has successfully convinced some, and continue trying to convince others, that Russia’s top general and minister of defense have somehow been doing a terrible job. No arguments provided, unless you count “Prigozhin said so” as an argument. Even the propagandists here tend to stick to the good old “Putin weak” instead. Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2024 21:21 utc | 15 It’s funny how ukro/nato propaganda changes the news instantly. I give NK missile story about 1% possibility. In theory, NK and Iran should be begging to test their weapons on natoids, for free, that’s where the 1% comes from. Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2024 21:22 utc | 16 Personally, I think Israel is done. At best they might have a pyrrhic victory. There’s a few billion people that are tired of the US and Israel running the world into constant wars and strife. The new year doesn’t look good for peace or tranquility. Cheers everyone! Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jan 5 2024 21:31 utc | 17 Wolfgang Schäuble was the face of German democracy for over 40 years. Now he is dead and there is no end to the lamentation. In the state of lies, no one really asks whether this is what democracy should really look like. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18 by Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18 Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 21:59 utc | 19
What happened to the older Russian OTR-21 Tochka systems? Posted by: zorge | Jan 5 2024 22:18 utc | 20 the old otr-21 were to be decommissioned in 2020 or so. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 22:38 utc | 21 Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18 Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2024 23:29 utc | 22 Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2024 20:46 utc | 10 Posted by: NoName | Jan 5 2024 23:34 utc | 23 A korea blog category may soon open up. South is firing artillery back ( where i not know ) as response to previous north artillery. Where this goes is anyone’s guess. If RF/China or USA deems it worthy to it will. The recent stripping of missile assets from Japan Korea, buying up south Korean shell production capacity all make the mathematics equations of war needing updates. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:37 utc | 24 23 . Yeah I went to look up the link but it’s the playstore censored telegram version I don’t use. No way Tony’s warehouse has accidental fires. He is the one that does that to others. Joe Pesci, now he is a guy that gets things done – carlin Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:46 utc | 25
Maybe, but they still probably have thousands of the things in storage. Sure, they’re not super precise, but for taking out large objects, such as factories and big ammo depots, they should be fine. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:48 utc | 26 Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:46 utc | 25 Posted by: NoName | Jan 5 2024 23:52 utc | 27 Usa has suggested that the G7 (mostly EU) confiscates russia’s 300 billions. Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 5 2024 23:55 utc | 28
We can only hope. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:56 utc | 29
Actually the shitshow of the last two years is neither or the MoD nor on the General Staff. Is Shoigu corrupt? I would be highly surprised if he wasn’t, but I would also be highly surprised if he was totally incompetent, and so far in fact the MoD has done a good job on logistics and production. We also have no idea who screwed exactly what in the planning of the initial invasion, but based on the available information Gerasimov is highly competent when it comes to strategy. People throw random accusations with zero evidence to back them up — what exactly did Gerasimov screw up that was in his control to not screw up? We have zero information on how the planning went, who made what decisions, etc. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:03 utc | 30 RUAF managed to destroy 3 IRIS-T AD systems in Kherson in the last 3 days. So it seems AFU went all in betting on protecting their bridgehead at Krynky and it was a losing trade, now FABs are flying again. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 6 2024 0:20 utc | 31 Since I’m early, I’ll post a few observations. First, thanks B and all those who post facts and real information. If you need to rant mindlessly about the evil of the West, it’s politicians etc. point taken, enough ranting. Also endless iterations about the financial collapse of the West, without evidence, are useless. Posted by: kupkee | Jan 6 2024 0:24 utc | 32 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:56 utc | 29 Posted by: Cato in Norway | Jan 6 2024 0:40 utc | 33
It’s the exact opposite — it has been made inevitable by the current turn-the-other-cheek policy. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:48 utc | 34 The other effect of the treaty discussions of the 80s was the widespread dispersal of US military and intelligence agents throughout the top levels of the USSR for negotiations. Scott Ritter talks about this, but he still thinks he was doing good. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 6 2024 0:58 utc | 35 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:03 utc | 30 Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 0:59 utc | 36
My knowledge of, not hatred of. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 37 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:48 utc | 34 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 38 https://tass.com/politics/1729447 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 6 2024 1:39 utc | 39
My understanding is that there is a substantial legal difference between selling weapons and giving weapons free of charge. If Ukraine is paying for weapons, then there is not much to accuse the suppliers of (other than violating various arms proliferation treaties, but those are legal fiction anyway). Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:54 utc | 40
Yeah, we’re all hoping for collapse, but what has happened in reality over the last two years? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 2:04 utc | 41 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 2:04 utc | 41 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 2:30 utc | 42 The level of delusion in the lol “west”is unbelievable! I don’t even know what to say. Hahahahaha!!!! Posted by: nook | Jan 6 2024 2:33 utc | 43 I guess murica and it’s slaves are daydream believers and home coming queens. Posted by: nook | Jan 6 2024 2:37 utc | 44
Well, they aren’t now, but they should be. America was happier in the 1930s than now, by far. Because Americans were more spiritual, less driven by fear and greed, and less divided. A great philosopher, Siddhartha Gautama, said the key to contentment was not wanting things. So the Monkees were not wrong. When the west gets poor again, and the haters and self haters get done killing each other and themselves, maybe they can find faith and love again?
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/16733533032692650858 Posted by: Drifter | Jan 6 2024 2:59 utc | 45
More delusional nonsense. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46 I can see now why RSH left (or got banned). Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47 Ukraine Weekly Update 5th Jan 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-bad Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 6 2024 3:23 utc | 48 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46 Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 3:27 utc | 49 Might be of interest, from the previous thread:
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 6 2024 3:34 utc | 50 It’s funny how ukro/nato propaganda changes the news instantly Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jan 6 2024 3:36 utc | 51 Check out Simplicius’ breakdown of a July Newsweek article which gives lie to a lot of stuff happening within and around Ukraine and NATO. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 6 2024 5:18 utc | 52 @ 52 Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 6 2024 5:39 utc | 53 @23 re Tony Soprano Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 6 2024 5:42 utc | 54 Simplicious has new article from a CIA leak that shows US is the real adult in the room restraining mad Putin from escalating after losing in Ukraine. Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55 Mamuka Mamulashvili, the commander of the terrorist Georgian Legion, who killed Russian POW’s, has not tweeted in five days. Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 6 2024 6:21 utc | 56 Ukrainians are unsalvageable
Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 6 2024 6:24 utc | 57 @anonposter | Jan 6 2024 3:27 utc | 49 Posted by: gT | Jan 6 2024 7:26 utc | 58 Could be buried in the hotel that the Russians leveled. Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 7:35 utc | 59 57 omg. There is not much left to bottom out onto. That’s as depraved as can get. Posted by: Hankster | Jan 6 2024 7:43 utc | 60 Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47 Posted by: largolaw | Jan 6 2024 8:11 utc | 61 @shadowbanned Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Jan 6 2024 8:16 utc | 62 13 I read somewhere Russia must be grinding off the Korean writing on missile parts as Ukraine hasn’t presented any fragment evidence yet. Lol , they could fake it easier than waiting to be pounded for months .that’s some funny cope as how that works for electronics and chips I would leave for others imaginations Posted by: Hankster | Jan 6 2024 8:41 utc | 63 Sure, linear trends cannot be extrapolated indefinitely, etc. Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 6 2024 8:42 utc | 64 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 6 2024 1:39 utc | 39
Now that US has effectively abused the veto powers to the point of farce on Gaza it’s time for the Russians and everyone else to turn it into a defacto propaganda outlet against US foreign policy. Good way to profit from years hyping up UN in the media as the arbiter of human rights. Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:02 utc | 65 shаdοwbanned @ Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46
Kind of reminds me of WWII after Stalingrad. Seen from Berlin news there was little movement, Wehrmacht kept winning battles closer to home every day until it became a open joke when the names turned German. Cue the obvious Steiner memes. UKR is being hollowed out in place until collapse. Don’t deny te hidden dynamics just because you think big arrows and nukes make for better war porn. Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:05 utc | 66
The EC might be better able to pitch its trade regime from the side of Ukraine’s food security rather than the side of European prices. Instead we’re served Ukrainian Kulak déjà vu. Posted by: too scents | Jan 6 2024 9:54 utc | 67 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 6 2024 3:23 utc | 48 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 6 2024 10:21 utc | 68 Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:05 utc | 65 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 10:36 utc | 69 There is very little to like about NK, but Russia and it (and China) share enemies. The way of the world. And why not test out weapons in a live environment which features the cutting edge of emerging technologies and their practical use on a battlefield? No doubt NK “observers” are also present. Posted by: marcjf | Jan 6 2024 12:35 utc | 70 Shadowbanned 40: Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 6 2024 13:04 utc | 71 Posted by: marcjf | Jan 6 2024 12:35 utc | 70 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 13:07 utc | 72 @ Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 6 2024 13:09 utc | 73
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 13:16 utc | 74 If we picture as in propose a media-less private image channel manner of communicating the word on the street and public opinion, the role of the artist and musician must be that of a certain responsibility. We can safely say that misinformation and profit based algorithms have created a society in which the lie and the omission of editorial content pays off. A sheik makes for an awesome blowjob and these care have to stay on the roas has been a model that is perhaps a bit dated. How do we categorize the personal homepage and the private streaming image without having market forces create an artificial popularity of smiley comments that is all to easy too sideline the real substance. Posted by: Leon Mussche | Jan 6 2024 13:45 utc | 75 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 6 2024 13:09 utc | 73 Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 14:00 utc | 76
See above about the SRBMs and the INF treaty. Iskanders don’t have the range to hit Lvov and Lutsk. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 14:17 utc | 77 Dear shadowbanned, Russia has existed as an entity for many centuries, surviving hordes coming their way to rob them of their riches, yet they survived without your advice. You should apply for a job in their secret service FSB (former KGB) and as a reference link them your posts here as credentials. I am sure they will accept your super-duper knowledge with open hands and take you in as personal advisor to the people in charge. Posted by: Jzo | Jan 6 2024 14:30 utc | 78 Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 6 2024 14:32 utc | 79 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 6 2024 14:32 utc | 79 Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 15:01 utc | 80 I can see now why RSH left (or got banned). Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47 Your hatred of Russia is showing too much. Posted by: largolaw | Jan 6 2024 8:11 utc | 61 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 15:40 utc | 84 Posted by: canuck | Jan 6 2024 15:35 utc | 83 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 16:04 utc | 85
So, white-collar workers aren’t working class? A bit divisive and splitting the class into disunity, isn’t it?….was Lenin blue-collar? Marx? Engels? Could you explain how you define “class”? Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 6 2024 16:18 utc | 86 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 37 Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:34 utc | 87 A weekly French newspaper (which stated in 2022 that there is no nazi in Ukraine) writes that during a meeting between high-graded French militaries where it was discussed what should have been done in 2021 to “stop Putin”. And the idea was formulated that nukes, with the agreement of the Ukrainian authorities, should have been placed inside the country. Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:50 utc | 88 Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 6 2024 16:18 utc | 86 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 16:58 utc | 89 Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:34 utc | 87 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 17:12 utc | 91 Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:50 utc | 88 Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 17:23 utc | 92 https://t.me/milinfolive/113885
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/44493
Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 6 2024 17:35 utc | 93 @ostro | Jan 6 2024 17:03 utc | 90 Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 6 2024 17:37 utc | 94 Naive 88:The French in particular have to say that, a completely centralized country. What will be left of their Elites, of “Duce France”, if Russia burns Paris? Rien. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 6 2024 18:02 utc | 95
I realize you’re probably referring to the apparent logistical unpreparedness of the initial invasion forces but setting that aside for a moment, one of the things I found notable viewing the videos coming out the first couple of days was the disciplined professionalism of the Russian soldiers. Their patience and the lack of violence in their dealings with civilians was on full display. At least by some measures, I think the Russians performed very well. Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 6 2024 18:18 utc | 96 … one of the things I found notable viewing the videos coming out the first couple of days was the disciplined professionalism of the Russian soldiers. Their patience and the lack of violence in their dealings with civilians was on full display. … Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 6 2024 18:48 utc | 97 Posted by: ostro | Jan 6 2024 17:03 utc | 90 Posted by: golddigger | Jan 6 2024 18:52 utc | 98 Machine learning for these drones could really speed up them getting improved. It’s like they are part of a Borg collective, what one learns they all learn. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 6 2024 19:10 utc | 99
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