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January 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-003

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine.

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https://t.me/intelslava/54452
“It is possible that a North Korean-made KN-23 ballistic missile could have been used for the strike.”
Russia is very isolated and has no more missiles. Wishfull thinking of the empire of lies

Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1

And her is the result:
https://t.me/intelslava/54449

Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:50 utc | 2

@ Naive
Sure it is time for the in line testing of foreign weapons. Why not and where is the problem? It is not a matter of a national pride to fight with only Russian made weapons, if those are given in an exchange for ICBM tech.
I wait to see how NK MLRS of 600 mm with 9 barrels works. Apparently it goes up to 290 km in ideal conditions, sanitizes area of 5 football fields if it lands with thermobaric charge. GLONASS module is there, too.
Also according to some reports from artillery branches, NK 152 mm shells are of exceptional quality and make.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 20:03 utc | 3

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of January 5, 2024)
In the period from December 30, 2023 to January 5 of this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 41 group and one massive strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on decision-making centers, facilities of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, military airfield infrastructure, arsenals and fuel bases.
In addition, strikes were carried out at the locations of units of the armed forces of Ukraine, formations of nationalists and foreign mercenaries. All assigned objects are hit.
Over the past week, units of the “Western” group of troops repelled 18 attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kupyansk direction.
Air strikes and artillery fire defeated the enemy’s manpower and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Ivanovka, Berestovoye, Vishnevoye, Kupyansk, Peschanoe, Petropavlovsk, Sinkovka, Terny, Timkovka of the Kharkiv region, Novoselovskoye and Stelmakhovka of the Luhansk People’s Republic.
The enemy’s losses amounted to over 485 military personnel, six tanks, including one Leopard-2, 11 armored combat vehicles, 24 vehicles, seven Czech-made MLRS launchers, as well as eight field artillery guns. In addition, three ammunition and fuel depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.
In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of forces, in cooperation with operational and tactical, army aviation and artillery, repelled four enemy attacks. Clusters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova of the Luhansk People’s Republic, Torskoye, Grigorovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Serebryansk forestry.
The enemy’s losses amounted to over 690 soldiers killed and wounded, two tanks, 11 armored combat vehicles, 24 vehicles, as well as five field artillery guns.
In the Donetsk direction, units of the “Southern” group of troops, supported by aviation and artillery fire, repelled nine enemy attacks. Over the past period, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this area amounted to over 1990 servicemen killed and wounded, four tanks, 17 armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, 64 vehicles and 26 field artillery guns.
In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces repelled five enemy attacks. Air strikes and artillery fire inflicted fire damage on units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Vodiane, Makarovka, Paraskovievka, Staromayorskoye, Ugledar, Urozhodnoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Priyutnoye of the Zaporozhye region.
The enemy’s losses in this direction amounted to over 950 military personnel, 12 armored combat vehicles, 27 vehicles and 17 field artillery guns.
In the Zaporozhye direction, units of Russian troops repelled an enemy attack north of the settlement of Novoprokopovka in the Zaporozhye region.
In addition, fire damage was inflicted on the personnel and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Verbovoye, Orekhov, Kamenskoye, Lukyanovskoye, Novodanilovka and Rabodino in the Zaporozhye region. The enemy’s losses amounted to up to 350 soldiers, a tank, 15 armored combat vehicles, 18 vehicles, as well as eight field artillery guns.
In the Kherson direction, units of the Dnepr group of forces, in cooperation with artillery, defeated enemy manpower on the right bank of the Dnieper in the areas of the settlements of Tyaginka, Ivanovka, Sadovoye and Tokarevka of the Kherson region. As a result of the actions of the Russian troops, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 225 servicemen killed and wounded in this direction. In addition, a tank, two armored combat vehicles, 28 vehicles, 14 boats, a Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile launcher, 11 field artillery guns, an electronic warfare station and an ammunition depot were destroyed.
During the week, 13 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered, including eight people in the Kupyansk direction.
Over the past period, missile forces and artillery, operational and tactical aviation and strike unmanned aerial vehicles of the groups of troops have destroyed: three launchers of the HIMARS and Alder multiple launch rocket systems, a launcher of the S-200 anti-aircraft missile system, a radar of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system, a radar station for detecting and tracking low-altitude targets ST-68, as well as two US-made counter-battery warfare radars.
Aviation and air defense means shot down during the week: the Su-27 aircraft and the Mi-8 helicopter of the air forces of Ukraine.
In addition, eight Storm Shadow cruise missiles, 14 Tochka-U tactical missiles, three S-200 anti-aircraft missiles converted for firing at ground targets, 107 HIMARS, Alder and Vampire multiple rocket launchers, three HARM anti-radar missiles and 253 unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 565 aircraft, 264 helicopters, 10459 unmanned aerial vehicles, 447 anti-aircraft missile systems, 14483 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1200 multiple rocket launchers, 7639 field artillery and mortars, as well as 17100 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Posted by: Luiza Lur | Jan 5 2024 20:03 utc | 4

Since I’m early, I’ll post a few observations. First, thanks B and all those who post facts and real information. If you need to rant mindlessly about the evil of the West, it’s politicians etc. point taken, enough ranting. Also endless iterations about the financial collapse of the West, without evidence, are useless.

Posted by: Mbartv | Jan 5 2024 20:04 utc | 5

gents, are there any news about UKR bagging Gerasimov with unexpected strike?

Posted by: DeChristo | Jan 5 2024 20:17 utc | 6

If true, this would be absolutely great news. It could only be topped off by the Ukies nailing the Shoigu.
But I wouldn’t give too much credence to such stories. Both camps are guilty of spreading such rumors, who can forget the rumours about Zaluzhny, who is alive and well – unless you subscribe to the theory of the body double. But in that case it becomes a matter of faith.
Just like Gerasimov probably. Most likely scenario : in a few weeks Gerasimov will at appear at a briefing with Putin or Shoigu, and then the Ukies will switch to the “body double” theory.

Posted by: Micron | Jan 5 2024 20:23 utc | 7

“If true, this would be absolutely great news. It could only be topped off by the Ukies nailing the Shoigu.”
Posted by: Micron | Jan 5 2024 20:23 utc | 7
please explain how this would be great news.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 20:33 utc | 8

DeChristo @ 6:
The news about Valery Gerasimov remains unconfirmed. As far as I have been able to discover, the news started on social media.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 5 2024 20:37 utc | 9

intel republic (https://t.me/IntelRepublic) is report a mysterious fire broke out in a New Jersey warehouse that was storing undelivered weapons for Ukraine. Local businessman Tony Soprano, stated that this “was clearly an unfortunate accident”.

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2024 20:46 utc | 10

BREAKING:
Biden warned North Korea of possible sanctions against Iran for their invasion of Taiwan, which violates the territorial integrity of Israel.

from X Olga Bazova
🙂
Sums it up for this year. So, Ukraine is off the list?

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 20:48 utc | 11

RE: Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1
Goodness! Read the headline…”it is possible”…
There ya go! 😂🍻! … makes one think of all the “possibilities” in this SMO…
This is the “reporting” of today.
They should just shout: Time for US Citizens to get back to hating North Korea & Iran again” we don’t want to talk about “Ukraine” anymore… please…! It’s their fault Ukraine lost…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 21:02 utc | 12

RE: RE: Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1
To further my “hate North Korea” move of citizens to go to war there… see this dribble:
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-bombards-kharkiv-north-korean-191518486.html
“(Russia) is attacking Ukrainians with missiles
received from a state where citizens are tortured in concentration camps for having an unregistered radio, talking to a tourist, watching TV shows,” he added.
“Russia is **“believed”**to have been supplied with dozens of short-range ballistic missiles and launchers from North Korea, according to US intelligence.”
Oh and they’re “scrubbing the markings” (guessing North Korean”) off of every single missile purchased.
I guess missiles from “the garden” are more…”fashionable”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 5 2024 21:12 utc | 13

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Summary for 5 Dec 2024 by 19:08⚡️
🔹In #Kherson Direction, business as usual. The Washington Post, having interviewed an Ukrainian marine, concluded that in #Krynki “Ukrainian leaders sought to show their Western supporters some progress – any progress. At the monstrous cost of thousands of human lives.
🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, positional fighting is ongoing at the #Rabotino – #Verbovoye line. From the side of #Novoprokopovka our forces are noticeably advancing. But #Verbovoye has some minor successes with the AFU.
🔹In #SouthDonetsk Direction, our army is hitting #Kurakhovo, the next target after #Maryinka, they have advanced near #Georgiyevka and in the direction of #Pobeda. Heavy fighting is taking place on the outskirts of #Novomikhaylovka, the AFU is fighting fiercely.
🔹In #Donetsk Direction, on the northern #Avdeyevka flank, our units advanced at #Stepovoye. Ukrainian resources say that the AFU has pushed our forces back from the village of #Zarya to the west of #Novobakhmutovka. There are no denials or confirmations so far. This is the frontline, positions are changing hands. Our army aims to advance along the railway line towards #Ocheretino. On the southern flank, our forces are expanding their zone of control at #Pervomayskoye.
🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, on the southern flank of the city, ours are clearing the outskirts of #Kleshcheyevka and battling on the heights northwest of the village. North of #Kurdyumovka near the railway station, our army is fighting for AFU strongholds. Our military continues to push back the AFU in #Bogdanovka.
🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our Army attacks near #Dibrova, have not yet brought success. But in #Sinkovka our forces seem to have managed to turn the situation in their favour. The village is now mostly in the grey zone, with the AFU abandoning a number of positions.
▪️ By the way, the British The Telegraph released an announcement that Russia is preparing an offensive near #Kharkov, at #Kupyansk and the surrounding area. According to the authors, this is indicated by powerful missile attacks on the #Kharkov region. One wonders why, in such a case, the powerful missile attacks in recent days on targets in the Ukrainian capital do not indicate that the RF Armed Forces are preparing to enter #Kiev.

https://t.me/sitreports/20549

Posted by: Down South | Jan 5 2024 21:12 utc | 14

please explain how this would be great news.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 20:33 utc | 8

Ukrainian CIPSO has successfully convinced some, and continue trying to convince others, that Russia’s top general and minister of defense have somehow been doing a terrible job. No arguments provided, unless you count “Prigozhin said so” as an argument. Even the propagandists here tend to stick to the good old “Putin weak” instead.

Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2024 21:21 utc | 15

It’s funny how ukro/nato propaganda changes the news instantly. I give NK missile story about 1% possibility. In theory, NK and Iran should be begging to test their weapons on natoids, for free, that’s where the 1% comes from.
And talking about the daily dose of idiots, remember when Kitschko took a selfie with some little tube, calling it downed Kinzhal? Now they’ve published a new photo. Also a little tube clearly placed by them into a hole in the ground from an exploded missile. What is very funny is that this one also doesn’t look even close in shape and size to Kinzhal. It’s like watching Special Olympics, you feel like laughing but it’s sad.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2024 21:22 utc | 16

Personally, I think Israel is done. At best they might have a pyrrhic victory. There’s a few billion people that are tired of the US and Israel running the world into constant wars and strife. The new year doesn’t look good for peace or tranquility. Cheers everyone!

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jan 5 2024 21:31 utc | 17

Wolfgang Schäuble was the face of German democracy for over 40 years. Now he is dead and there is no end to the lamentation. In the state of lies, no one really asks whether this is what democracy should really look like.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18

by Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18
So many dead German politicians are turning in their crypts now.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 5 2024 21:59 utc | 19

https://t.me/intelslava/54452
“It is possible that a North Korean-made KN-23 ballistic missile could have been used for the strike.”
Russia is very isolated and has no more missiles. Wishfull thinking of the empire of lies
Posted by: Naive | Jan 5 2024 19:46 utc | 1

What happened to the older Russian OTR-21 Tochka systems?
Why are they not used?

Posted by: zorge | Jan 5 2024 22:18 utc | 20

the old otr-21 were to be decommissioned in 2020 or so.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 22:38 utc | 21

Oliver Krug | Jan 5 2024 21:50 utc | 18
I imagine that in Athens they are dancing in the streets.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2024 23:29 utc | 22

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2024 20:46 utc | 10
„Local businessman Tony Soprano, stated that this “was clearly an unfortunate accident”.“
Is this some kind of joke or is that really his name? Because Tony Soprano is also a fictional character from „The Sopranos“.

Posted by: NoName | Jan 5 2024 23:34 utc | 23

A korea blog category may soon open up. South is firing artillery back ( where i not know ) as response to previous north artillery. Where this goes is anyone’s guess. If RF/China or USA deems it worthy to it will. The recent stripping of missile assets from Japan Korea, buying up south Korean shell production capacity all make the mathematics equations of war needing updates.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:37 utc | 24

23 . Yeah I went to look up the link but it’s the playstore censored telegram version I don’t use. No way Tony’s warehouse has accidental fires. He is the one that does that to others. Joe Pesci, now he is a guy that gets things done – carlin

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:46 utc | 25

the old otr-21 were to be decommissioned in 2020 or so.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jan 5 2024 22:38 utc | 21

Maybe, but they still probably have thousands of the things in storage. Sure, they’re not super precise, but for taking out large objects, such as factories and big ammo depots, they should be fine.
The main limitation is the range.
People don’t realize how much damage Gorbachev did with the INF treaty and how treasonous the terms were.
Why does Russia have Kalibrs (i.e. sea-launched cruise missiles) and ALCMs that reach thousands of kilometers, but it only has the Iskander as an SRBM and no IRBMs? Meanwhile the Chinese, Iranians and North Koreans have untold thousands of SRMBs and IRBMs ready to go. It’s because of the INF treaty. And it is not at all clear if now that it is completely dead, new production Iskanders can have their range increased. Presumably they can, but who knows, it might actually be a hard design limitation that you can’t put more fuel in there.
So what do we have now in Ukraine?
We have the deep Ukrainian rear being more than 500 km from the front line and the Russian border, in Western Ukraine, where it is reachable only by ALCMs, Kalibrs, Gerans/Shaheds and Kinzhals. Kinzhals are obviously super fast and get their target within minutes, but everything else has the great limitation of being slow and detectable (and detected) an hour before it arrives to its target. Thus you can’t hit anything time sensitive and the Ukrainians have time to scatter from potential target locations, to scramble planes in the air, etc. Also, all of these platforms are very expensive, except for the Shaheds, but the Shaheds are also small warheads – 50 kg – while we want 500-kg, 1000-kg, or even larger warheads for a lot of targets.
So you need cheap mass-produced SRBMs and IRBMs.
But Russia has none because of the INF treaty. Sure, they can easily design them, they have the best rocket scientist and industry in the world, but that takes time, and then you need to set up production, etc. etc.
Thus having to go to NK and Iran.
P.S. Finally, to wrap up on why the INF treaty was treasonous — you have a dominant land power against a dominant sea and air power, with the latter having encircled the former from three sides because of how WWII went, and you sign a treaty that limits land-based intermediate-range weapons, but you don’t do anything about the air- and sea-launched ones. Who is that going to benefit? The answer is obvious. And you see the end result, which is the US having triple digit naval assets that can launch thousands of Tomahawks from different five directions towards Russia, while Russia only has the SSBNs, and a small number of surface vessels and SSGNs (and for a long time didn’t even have those, during the worst years of the post-Soviet collapse).

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:48 utc | 26

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 5 2024 23:46 utc | 25
Joe Pesci
Do I amuse you?
Sorry for offtopic but I couldn‘t resist 😉

Posted by: NoName | Jan 5 2024 23:52 utc | 27

Usa has suggested that the G7 (mostly EU) confiscates russia’s 300 billions.
How do you harm G7 (mostley EU) most.
The USA can get the EU do the stealing, they still will get the bulk of the money, but it was not “us” (USA) who did it.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 5 2024 23:55 utc | 28

intel republic (https://t.me/IntelRepublic) is report a mysterious fire broke out in a New Jersey warehouse that was storing undelivered weapons for Ukraine. Local businessman Tony Soprano, stated that this “was clearly an unfortunate accident”.
Posted by: Kadath | Jan 5 2024 20:46 utc | 10

We can only hope.
Russian internal security is completely f***d – there is still no SMERSH, they did not close the borders, and this is after decades of anyone being able to enter and do whatever one likes. There are strong suspicions that for decades now there have been even nukes planted in key locations (thus not having to be fired through the air) just waiting to be activated when the time comes. Nothing was done to fix these problems aside from some heightened FSB vigilance. Because urban elites must not be inconvenienced by the existential war going on.
The only positive aspect of the situation is that it is no better in the US, which also has no real control over its borders.
Thus weapon shipments should have been sabotaged on the ground from the start. It is not hard to do, especially now with drones — you can launch FPVs from ships in the harbors or passing by, and all you need is to initiate the cook off, the rest is a chain reaction. Hopefully that is what happened.
Of course, there should have been ships sunk in the Atlantic too, but the cowards in Moscow would never dare.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:56 utc | 29

Ukrainian CIPSO has successfully convinced some, and continue trying to convince others, that Russia’s top general and minister of defense have somehow been doing a terrible job. No arguments provided, unless you count “Prigozhin said so” as an argument. Even the propagandists here tend to stick to the good old “Putin weak” instead.
Posted by: boneless | Jan 5 2024 21:21 utc | 15

Actually the shitshow of the last two years is neither or the MoD nor on the General Staff. Is Shoigu corrupt? I would be highly surprised if he wasn’t, but I would also be highly surprised if he was totally incompetent, and so far in fact the MoD has done a good job on logistics and production. We also have no idea who screwed exactly what in the planning of the initial invasion, but based on the available information Gerasimov is highly competent when it comes to strategy. People throw random accusations with zero evidence to back them up — what exactly did Gerasimov screw up that was in his control to not screw up? We have zero information on how the planning went, who made what decisions, etc.
The big problem is that the military still has to fight with one hand tied behind its back. Only when all such limitations imposed by the political leadership are lifted can we judge the military on its performance.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:03 utc | 30

RUAF managed to destroy 3 IRIS-T AD systems in Kherson in the last 3 days. So it seems AFU went all in betting on protecting their bridgehead at Krynky and it was a losing trade, now FABs are flying again.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 6 2024 0:20 utc | 31

Since I’m early, I’ll post a few observations. First, thanks B and all those who post facts and real information. If you need to rant mindlessly about the evil of the West, it’s politicians etc. point taken, enough ranting. Also endless iterations about the financial collapse of the West, without evidence, are useless.
Posted by: Mbartv | Jan 5 2024 20:04 utc | 5
1. Please provide details of the West’s Financial details which accord with your sensibilities. There is plenty of financial and economic evidence. What is your pleasure?
2. U.S. Federal Government Debt exceeded $34 Trillion, which is $100,000 per PERSON, or more than $400,000 per family, and interest for the next 12 months will be $1 Trillion. Or $12,000 per family. On top of your mortgage, credit cards and all other personal debt.
3. History provides evidence of nations, societies and people’s whose warring nature expanded debts to where only THEFT was left to pay the piper.
4. Perhaps Ukraine was a teeny-weeny bit foolhardy to instigate a war with Russia when it neither had the weapons nor finances for such an enormous project.
5. Ask an Afghani woman how much the U.S. can be trusted.
K

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 6 2024 0:24 utc | 32

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 5 2024 23:56 utc | 29
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:03 utc | 30
I’ve been reading MoA for over 2 years now,- and i’ve come to the conclusion that if ever Russian high command would listen to you – nuclear war would be right around the corner, but maybe that’s what you want…..

Posted by: Cato in Norway | Jan 6 2024 0:40 utc | 33

I’ve been reading MoA for over 2 years now,- and i’ve come to the conclusion that if ever Russian high command would listen to you – nuclear war would be right around the corner, but maybe that’s what you want…..
Posted by: Cato in Norway | Jan 6 2024 0:40 utc | 33

It’s the exact opposite — it has been made inevitable by the current turn-the-other-cheek policy.
The only possible excuse is that it was inevitable anyway, the Russian high command knew it, and is just buying time to prepare better (which is happening in the background, but we hear nothing about it for obvious reasons).

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:48 utc | 34

The other effect of the treaty discussions of the 80s was the widespread dispersal of US military and intelligence agents throughout the top levels of the USSR for negotiations. Scott Ritter talks about this, but he still thinks he was doing good.
Followed by 3 leaders of 3 republics getting together in secret in 1991, and dissolving the Soviet Union, against the wishes of the majority of the populations, but somehow, the people’s wishes were thwarted. And they were violently suppressed, while their wealth was sold off, and they became impoverished.
Or, as they put it in the West, they “became free.”
Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jan 6 2024 0:58 utc | 35

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:03 utc | 30
Is Shoigu corrupt? I would be highly surprised if he wasn’t, (…)
and
People throw random accusations with zero evidence to back them up
Said it all.
“prejudice /prĕj′ə-dĭs/
noun
* The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions.
* An adverse judgment or opinion formed unfairly or without knowledge of the facts.
(…)
* Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular social group, such as a race or the adherents of a religion.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language”
Your hatred of Russia is showing too much.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 0:59 utc | 36

Your hatred of Russia is showing too much.
Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 0:59 utc | 36

My knowledge of, not hatred of.
Somebody much smarter than me a long time ago made the observation that if corruption is somehow successfully banned, the place would completely stop functioning. And it’s an accurate observation.
There is corruption everywhere. The trick is to keep it at manageable levels. And someone having done a lot of it does not mean that he is incompetent, it’s just how things are done.
In the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s the levels were absolutely not manageable. And you had drunk clonws like Yeltsin in power to add insult to injury.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 37

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 0:48 utc | 34
>It’s the exact opposite — it [ed: nucleus war] has been made inevitable by the current turn-the-other-cheek policy.
No, what is inevitable is that Ukrainian military will divide into 4 parts in the next year or two: 1) those who will die or be injured severely and so become unfit for service; 2) those who tire of war and desert/surrender; 3) those who won’t desert/surrender but who can be reconciled with Russia ala Chechens; 4) those who won’t desert/surrender and who will always hate Russia with a passion.
Once groups 3 and 4 are small enough, Russia will apply divide and conquer tactics. Group 3 signs a peace treaty that turns central Ukraine into Russian vassal state (same relationship as Canada to USA). Group 4 retreats to Galicia with their weapons, where they will be a source of trouble to Poland. Galicia may declare independence and apply to enter NATO, but Russia has many ways to slow down this process. Plus even worst case of nuclear missiles Galicia is less of a threat to Russia than Finland and the Baltics, so can be ignored.
Slow but steady war is causing collapse of both USA hegemony and NATO at low risk to Russia.

Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 38

https://tass.com/politics/1729447
Russia requests UN Security Council meeting for January 22 on arms supplies to Kiev
“A meeting on the supply of Western weapons has been requested for January 22,” a source in the world organization said“
lol 😂
“So, you want to drag us in here and talk about “illegal arms sales” between us & N. Korea eh?” …
“Well, let’s all talk about “illegal arms sales” then!
( How did those weapons given to Ukraine end up in
(Fill in the blanks) anyways?
I can see the UN gloves coming off… every single “meeting” called” to discuss “Ukraine” … Russia the whole of 2024 will call meet after meet after meet…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 6 2024 1:39 utc | 39

Russia requests UN Security Council meeting for January 22 on arms supplies to Kiev
“A meeting on the supply of Western weapons has been requested for January 22,” a source in the world organization said“
lol 😂
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 6 2024 1:39 utc | 39

My understanding is that there is a substantial legal difference between selling weapons and giving weapons free of charge. If Ukraine is paying for weapons, then there is not much to accuse the suppliers of (other than violating various arms proliferation treaties, but those are legal fiction anyway).
However, if it is being given weapons free of charge, then not just effectively, but also legally what is happening is that Ukraine is firing the weapons for whoever supplies them, i.e. the suppliers are waging war on Russia.
The Americans are supposedly doing most of their supplies under Lend-Lease, so Ukraine is technically paying for it (by enslaving itself to forever repaying those loans).
But I highly doubt the aid the UK and the Europeans are providing is paid for, it is all straight up donations. And that includes most of the hugely problematic weapons — the Storm Shadows from the UK and France, the Czech MLRS used to kill the civilians in Belgorod, and soon the Taurus missiles from Germany too.
Thus Russia is fully in its legal right to carry out strikes against those countries.
On the other side, Russians are paying for weapons they get from NK and Iran, so there is nothing wrong there.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:54 utc | 40

No, what is inevitable is that Ukrainian military will divide into 4 parts in the next year or two: 1) those who will die or be injured severely and so become unfit for service; 2) those who tire of war and desert/surrender; 3) those who won’t desert/surrender but who can be reconciled with Russia ala Chechens; 4) those who won’t desert/surrender and who will always hate Russia with a passion.
Once groups 3 and 4 are small enough, Russia will apply divide and conquer tactics. Group 3 signs a peace treaty that turns central Ukraine into Russian vassal state (same relationship as Canada to USA). Group 4 retreats to Galicia with their weapons, where they will be a source of trouble to Poland. Galicia may declare independence and apply to enter NATO, but Russia has many ways to slow down this process. Plus even worst case of nuclear missiles Galicia is less of a threat to Russia than Finland and the Baltics, so can be ignored.
Slow but steady war is causing collapse of both USA hegemony and NATO at low risk to Russia.
Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 38

Yeah, we’re all hoping for collapse, but what has happened in reality over the last two years?
Have the Ukrainians become weaker or stronger? Objectively?
1) Russia used to advance substantially up until summer 2022. Since then all offensive attempts other than Soledar and Bakhmut — Seversk, Vugledar, Zaporozhye (there was an abortive Russian offensive attempt there too a year ago), Kupyansk, Avdeevka — have failed, and Bakhmut was only taken at a horrendous cost. It used to be that the Ukrainians had no chance against the Russians in a direct battle. Used to be. Now they have won quite a few of those.
And the front is a stalemate where we used to see constant and steady Russian advances.
That is an objective change.
2) Another objective change — was Ukraine able to carry out missile strikes several times a day every day against Crimea? Because that is what has been happening for several days now (those inhabiting the realm of blissful ignorance about on-the-ground events may not have noticed, but that is an objective fact). No, it wasn’t. It used to fire a few Tochka-Us at Rostov, and that’s it. But now it has legitimate long-range strike capabilities, and it doesn’t seem to have a shortage of them either. And it is set to expand them much further.
3) Did Ukraine have the capability to push the Black Sea Fleet out of Sevastopol a year ago? No. Well, it has done it now.
4) Did Ukraine dare carry out open terrorist attacks using anti-personnel weapons on big Russian cities? No. Well, now it’s daily reality for Belgorod.
5) How Banderized and brainwashed was Ukraine two years ago versus now?
Objectively, everything is much worse now than it used to be in the beginning of the war.
Sure, linear trends cannot be extrapolated indefinitely, etc. But these are the current facts, and they do not at all support the triumphalist attitude you see among so many noawadays.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 2:04 utc | 41

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 2:04 utc | 41
>5) How Banderized and brainwashed was Ukraine two years ago versus now?
>Objectively, everything is much worse now than it used to be in the beginning of the war.
On the contrary, the tide of public opinion has turned in the past 6 months, both in the west and Ukraine. Mood in Ukraine is that of Russia 1916. People are ready for revolution, but it must have support of the military, and military morale is not yet broken. Russia doesn’t need to push hatd, just apply constant pressure and the Ukrainian frontline soldiers will eventually crack from exhaustion.
One scenario is that exhaustion allows a big breakthrough later this year, Zaluzhny orders a massive retreat to save the Ukrainian army from destruction and publicly tells Zelensky to fuck himself when Zelensky objects, and furthermore orders SBU and GUR and rest of government to obey his emergency orders and not those of Zelensky. Security forces will split and Zaluzhny will give his blessing to those who want to retreat to Galicia while he and his supporters hold central Ukraine. Then he cuts a deal with Russia.

Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 2:30 utc | 42

The level of delusion in the lol “west”is unbelievable! I don’t even know what to say. Hahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: nook | Jan 6 2024 2:33 utc | 43

I guess murica and it’s slaves are daydream believers and home coming queens.

Posted by: nook | Jan 6 2024 2:37 utc | 44

I guess murica and it’s slaves are daydream believers and home coming queens.
Posted by: nook | Jan 6 2024 2:37 utc | 44

Well, they aren’t now, but they should be. America was happier in the 1930s than now, by far. Because Americans were more spiritual, less driven by fear and greed, and less divided. A great philosopher, Siddhartha Gautama, said the key to contentment was not wanting things. So the Monkees were not wrong. When the west gets poor again, and the haters and self haters get done killing each other and themselves, maybe they can find faith and love again?

Oh, and our good times starts and end
Without dollar one to spend
But how much, baby, do we really need?

https://yandex.ru/video/preview/16733533032692650858

Posted by: Drifter | Jan 6 2024 2:59 utc | 45

On the contrary, the tide of public opinion has turned in the past 6 months, both in the west and Ukraine. Mood in Ukraine is that of Russia 1916. People are ready for revolution, but it must have support of the military, and military morale is not yet broken. Russia doesn’t need to push hatd, just apply constant pressure and the Ukrainian frontline soldiers will eventually crack from exhaustion.
Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 2:30 utc | 42

More delusional nonsense.
The military is even more thoroughly Banderized than the political class. You see them posing with Bandera’s portrait, with red and black flags, with swastikas and other Nazi symbols, etc.
Most importantly, the military has committed so many unforgivable crimes against Russians that they are at this point in this to the bitter end because they know that they will not get out alive if the Russian ever get their hands on them. Even if initially there is some kind of agreements. Planes crashes, window falls, weird fatal illnesses, etc. is what awaits them eventually if they make a deal with Russia.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46

I can see now why RSH left (or got banned).
Please everyone just ignore the shadowbanned psyop. It hasn’t changed its tune in years now. No need to bother to respond to it.

Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47

Ukraine Weekly Update 5th Jan 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-bad

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 6 2024 3:23 utc | 48

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46
>Most importantly, the military has committed so many unforgivable crimes against Russians that they are at this point in this to the bitter end because they know that they will not get out alive if the Russian ever get their hands on them.
Like I said above, there is that group 4 of fanatic soldiers who will retreat to Galicia with their weapons. If this bothers you, Russia is offering citizenship to those who sign a contract with the military. I’m sure FSB can arrange to use you to go after war criminals hiding in Galicia. Allowing retreat to Galicia by fanatics is the perfect way to divide and ultimately defeat Ukrainian military. You might also get employment by NATO because these Galicians will likely immediately start causing trouble with NATO countries in order to earn money (drug and weapons trafficking, counterfeiting, etc).
Remaining majority of Ukrainian soldiers are from central, south or eastern Ukraine, speak Russian as native language, have not committed war crimes, will be no more a problem than was typical Chechen soldier after that war.

Posted by: anonposter | Jan 6 2024 3:27 utc | 49

Might be of interest, from the previous thread:

Keir Giles writes completely idiotic opinion on CNN – So, this is where they are going with, really?
Preparing the West for a war.
Best sentence is highlighted anyway, but it is unfinished:
There is plenty more the West could do that Moscow would genuinely dislike…
I can imagine many endings to this sentence.
Posted by: whirlX | Jan 6 2024 2:48 utc | 244

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 6 2024 3:34 utc | 50

It’s funny how ukro/nato propaganda changes the news instantly
Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2024 21:22 utc | 16
That is because the West has syndicated their propaganda machine.
https://sonar21.com/ctil-files-1-us-and-uk-military-contractors-created-sweeping-plan-for-global-censorship-in-2018-new-documents-show/

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jan 6 2024 3:36 utc | 51

Check out Simplicius’ breakdown of a July Newsweek article which gives lie to a lot of stuff happening within and around Ukraine and NATO.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 6 2024 5:18 utc | 52

@ 52
One of the more interesting context reads of the whole conflict

Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 6 2024 5:39 utc | 53

@23 re Tony Soprano
Really amazing coincidence isnt it?

Posted by: Yarpos | Jan 6 2024 5:42 utc | 54

Simplicious has new article from a CIA leak that shows US is the real adult in the room restraining mad Putin from escalating after losing in Ukraine.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/under-the-radar-major-cia-revelations

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55

Mamuka Mamulashvili, the commander of the terrorist Georgian Legion, who killed Russian POW’s, has not tweeted in five days.
A few days ago there were unconfirmed reports that he was eliminated by the Russian Forces.
https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 6 2024 6:21 utc | 56

Ukrainians are unsalvageable

On the verge of the Orthodox Christmas eve, Ukrainian state television releases a music video where demons dancing in the churches are wishing that all Russian families get ill and diseased.
“We wish to that every Russian family gets their house hit by a pack of rockets.
We wish that every Russian family gets ill and diseased.
We wish that Russians get car accidents at every corner.
We will fuck them under the tail and into their mouths.”
This is their state television by the way.
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/7588

Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 6 2024 6:24 utc | 57

@anonposter | Jan 6 2024 3:27 utc | 49
Usually minorities rule the majorities. Look at the West, the NeoCons / Anglo Zionists are in the minority, yet they dictate all the foreign policy and national direction of all the countries in the West. In Ukraine, the Bandera-ists are in the minority, yet they dictate all the foreign policy and national direction of the country. The majority in the West and Ukraine just follow orders or profess ignorance, neither of which is an excuse as per what happened to your average German soldier after WW2, so no innocents allowed.
Russia doesn’t follow this rule though, there is no vocal, violent inclined minority dictating the direction Russia should follow, much to shaddowbanned’s dismay. Instead what you have in Russia is some kind of synthesis whereby the land and the people just implicitly trust Putin and will take his direction, while Putin will do all he can to protect the land and the people.
This synthesis in Russia took hundreds of years to develop, in spite of numerous calamities along the way, and now just as it is finally really blossoming militarily and economically some psycho minority along the lines of shaddowbanned’s ilk want to come along and ruin things because they, the psycho minority, know better. Another 20 years of SloMO will cement Russia’s position on this planet like nothing ever seen before, but some can’t build, they can only destroy, hence they want to ruin everything with nukes and WW3.

Posted by: gT | Jan 6 2024 7:26 utc | 58

Could be buried in the hotel that the Russians leveled.
Posted by: MiniMO | Jan 6 2024 6:21 utc | 56

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 7:35 utc | 59

57 omg. There is not much left to bottom out onto. That’s as depraved as can get.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 6 2024 7:43 utc | 60

Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47
“Please everyone just ignore the shadowbanned psyop. It hasn’t changed its tune in years now. No need to bother to respond to it.”
On the contrary, I am more likely to ignore comments from individuals telling me what to do.
I for one enjoy reading shadowbanned comments as they provide a sometimes uncomfortable analysis to that which I would wish for. Whilst I disagree with some of shadowbanneds’ conclusion, alternate opinions – when rational, coherent, and logical – are essential for informed discussion.

Posted by: largolaw | Jan 6 2024 8:11 utc | 61

@shadowbanned
“Somebody much smarter than me”
Doesn’t take a lot to be smarter than you does it?
Well as a pathological Russia hater you must feel the pain here so I guess that’s why you butthurt weasel try put your anti Russian BS here
On the other side it makes the comments section more diverse 😁
I totally agree with b that comments like yours should not be shadowbanned

Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Jan 6 2024 8:16 utc | 62

13 I read somewhere Russia must be grinding off the Korean writing on missile parts as Ukraine hasn’t presented any fragment evidence yet. Lol , they could fake it easier than waiting to be pounded for months .that’s some funny cope as how that works for electronics and chips I would leave for others imaginations

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 6 2024 8:41 utc | 63

Sure, linear trends cannot be extrapolated indefinitely, etc.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 2:04 utc | 41
But then that is precisely what you are doing. Bet that in March 1918 you would have told everyone how stronger the germans were getting…

Posted by: Satepestage | Jan 6 2024 8:42 utc | 64

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 6 2024 1:39 utc | 39

I can see the UN gloves coming off… every single “meeting” called” to discuss “Ukraine” … Russia the whole of 2024 will call meet after meet after meet…

Now that US has effectively abused the veto powers to the point of farce on Gaza it’s time for the Russians and everyone else to turn it into a defacto propaganda outlet against US foreign policy. Good way to profit from years hyping up UN in the media as the arbiter of human rights.
Headline “US hypocritically vetoes resolution of all other countries”
BTW: can we please cancel the Rest Of World ROW abbreviation? US and Israel are ROW, not the majority of humans.

Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:02 utc | 65

shаdοwbanned @ Jan 6 2024 3:09 utc | 46

Most importantly, the military has committed so many unforgivable crimes against Russians that they are at this point in this to the bitter end because they know that they will not get out alive if the Russian ever get their hands on them.

Kind of reminds me of WWII after Stalingrad. Seen from Berlin news there was little movement, Wehrmacht kept winning battles closer to home every day until it became a open joke when the names turned German. Cue the obvious Steiner memes. UKR is being hollowed out in place until collapse. Don’t deny te hidden dynamics just because you think big arrows and nukes make for better war porn.
You remind me of my brother, he always has to take the contrarian opinion. You warn people against Russian triumphalism, next post you say nothing changed, next post you speculate about Banderist endgame. Anything to prove superior opinion on everything your “opponent” says. Claims made to fit the agenda. You ragebait well enough I can’t help responding, same with my troll brother.

Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:05 utc | 66

🖕 🇺🇦 European Commissioner for Agriculture demands to cancel the free trade regime with Ukraine, which brings losses to the European Union
▪️Janusz Wojciechowski stressed that recently there has been a significant increase in poultry and sugar imports from Ukraine, which threatens the competitiveness of the European sector.
▪️The EU Commissioner demands that the new regulation introduce quantitative restrictions on the import of poultry meat and sugar from Ukraine, otherwise he will oppose the extension of the free trade regime with Ukraine.

The EC might be better able to pitch its trade regime from the side of Ukraine’s food security rather than the side of European prices. Instead we’re served Ukrainian Kulak déjà vu.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 6 2024 9:54 utc | 67

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jan 6 2024 3:23 utc | 48
Thank you. Looking forward to your discussion of the emerging “multi-polar world order” which I think will actually be bi-polar again, as in the second half of the 20th century.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 6 2024 10:21 utc | 68

Posted by: SOS | Jan 6 2024 9:05 utc | 65
The contrarian also is guaranteed a response, just as the body reacts to a foreign organisms, some posters in a majority view forum will rush to its defence when an opposite view is detected. The reasons for this reaction are varied, as are the motives of the instigator, and why people post in the first place, but going the ‘wrong way’ will always provoke a ‘reaction’.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 10:36 utc | 69

There is very little to like about NK, but Russia and it (and China) share enemies. The way of the world. And why not test out weapons in a live environment which features the cutting edge of emerging technologies and their practical use on a battlefield? No doubt NK “observers” are also present.
For many years both China and Russia ostracised NK, mainly in deference to pro-western policies. It takes a special sort of stupid to frame foreign policy to the point where these three natural rivals come together.

Posted by: marcjf | Jan 6 2024 12:35 utc | 70

Shadowbanned 40:
“My understanding is that there is a substantial legal difference between selling weapons and giving weapons free of charge.”
This is how you create the conditions for getting a declaration of war. Roosevelt didn’t do it any differently with lend and lease. Nobody could blame Russia if it militarily attacked those countries that gave weapons to Ukraine so that they could kill as many Russians as possible.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 6 2024 13:04 utc | 71

Posted by: marcjf | Jan 6 2024 12:35 utc | 70
The M1 Abrams, that might, or might not be in Ukraine, mounts a 120mm smooth-bore cannon, originally manufactured and designed in Germany, with the loaders AAMG and coax MG being copies of a Belgian design. Using other nations weapon systems is nothing new, especially during a conflict, and is evidence of practical, efficient and sustainable resource management. I seriously doubt Russian has run out of SRBM’s, but the opportunity to charge a ‘testing fee’ to nations to, take advantage of the unique conditions of the SMO, cannot be ruled out. Then again, they may be using foreign copies to retain capability, whilst stock piling the home product for future operations. Having said all of that, it would be pretty easy to make false debris, or use existing fragments recovered covertly.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 13:07 utc | 72

@ Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55
Why simplicius should take that desperate mendacious piece of CIA CYA seriously is beyond me.
Unusual proliferation of lies on simplicius’s part too: Little Russia did the Nordstream attacks; Little Russia won’t attack Russia; no US boots on the ground in Little Russia.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 6 2024 13:09 utc | 73

https://t.me/epoddubny/18735

Our military has already found out that the enemy uses Czech-made multiple launch rocket systems to attack Belgorod and the entire region. RM-70 “Vampire”. This is a modernized version of the BM-21 Grad, a Soviet rocket system produced in Czechoslovakia since 1972, when the trees were tall and most of Eastern Europe tried to pretend they didn’t support Hitler during World War II. Well, let’s go back to our time.
The Czech Republic handed over to the Kyiv regime weapons that are used to kill our civilians, our children.
It became clear where the shells came from. Unexpectedly (not) – this is Slovakia. Judging by the markings, the shells are fresh. Increased range. These shells are produced by a company that is part of the MSM group. These shells were produced and transferred to the Czech Republic or directly to the Kyiv regime under Premier Heger or Premier Odor.
A little history. During the Great Patriotic War, the plant worked in the interests of Nazi Germany. Soldiers and commanders of the Red Army liberated the territory of the weapons factory on May 2, 1945. This plant, where in 2023 they produced 122-mm shells that killed our children in Belgorod, was named after Marshal of the Soviet Union Voroshilov at a time when Czechoslovakia was a socialist state and was part of the Warsaw Pact.
In 2004, Slovakia joined NATO.
That’s all I mean. The children and grandchildren of the Nazis, who were crushed by us, took advantage of the geopolitical processes that gave rise to the storm after the collapse of the USSR. Neo-Nazism is an attempt at revenge by the descendants of the losers. This is what we are also fighting against. And we will win.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 13:16 utc | 74

If we picture as in propose a media-less private image channel manner of communicating the word on the street and public opinion, the role of the artist and musician must be that of a certain responsibility. We can safely say that misinformation and profit based algorithms have created a society in which the lie and the omission of editorial content pays off. A sheik makes for an awesome blowjob and these care have to stay on the roas has been a model that is perhaps a bit dated. How do we categorize the personal homepage and the private streaming image without having market forces create an artificial popularity of smiley comments that is all to easy too sideline the real substance.

Posted by: Leon Mussche | Jan 6 2024 13:45 utc | 75

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 6 2024 13:09 utc | 73
A suitcase of US$1 million in cash, or explicit threat to kill your family members go a long long way to getting the rules based international order working.
https://www.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-threatened-family-of-brazilian-diplomat-iraq-war-2002-2018-3

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 14:00 utc | 76

I seriously doubt Russian has run out of SRBM’s
Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 13:07 utc | 72

See above about the SRBMs and the INF treaty. Iskanders don’t have the range to hit Lvov and Lutsk.
It still doesn’t exclude the total lack of very heavy MLRS (e.g. 300-km range, which several other countries have). There are way too many targets within Iskander range for their use for all of them to be cost-effective.
All this illustrates how thoroughly unprepared the Kremlin was for the war. They had nearly a decade to get ready for it, yet they didn’t. Unless they actually did, which is the scariest possibility.
Because all they invested in is strategic weapons, and those are ultra-high-end gadgets that need to reliably penetrate the enemy’s best defenses, and deliver nukes. Thus you don’t need tens of thousands of those.
But here Russia finds itself in a situation where it has to lob huge quantities of conventional explosives at ranges above the INF treat limits, and it doesn’t have the tools to do it as cheaply as necessary.
Iran and NK, on the other hand, have been in that situation for decades. NK has nukes now, but it can’t nuke SK, because that would be nuking itself — it’s a very similar hostage extraction situation to the one Russia faces with Ukraine.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 14:17 utc | 77

Dear shadowbanned, Russia has existed as an entity for many centuries, surviving hordes coming their way to rob them of their riches, yet they survived without your advice. You should apply for a job in their secret service FSB (former KGB) and as a reference link them your posts here as credentials. I am sure they will accept your super-duper knowledge with open hands and take you in as personal advisor to the people in charge.
Although one of their lackeys is reading this very post and taking advice already…
This war is not just on the battlefield, I hope you understand that since you put so much time into writing here. I hope you do get paid for your psy-op posts, otherwise you are wasting time, your most valuable resource in this thing called life.

Posted by: Jzo | Jan 6 2024 14:30 utc | 78

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 5:53 utc | 55
I suggest you reread the article slowly.
I did, and don’t see anything about Russia losing.
I don’t think it’s all accurate either, probably some disinformation that Simp took the bait for, but it might explain a few things like the lack of air strikes on the US embassy and key rail lines carrying commercial goods.
The general thesis seems to be that there is a back channel for keeping the war from escalation to other countries and I find that plausible although not necessarily the truth.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 6 2024 14:32 utc | 79

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jan 6 2024 14:32 utc | 79
You mean you just realised that Putin’s playing his own game? And it’s all the time.

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 6 2024 15:01 utc | 80

I can see now why RSH left (or got banned).
Please everyone just ignore the shadowbanned psyop. It hasn’t changed its tune in years now. No need to bother to respond to it.
Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47
Ignoring, eliminating diverse opinions only impoverishes the discussion. “Woke Cancel culture” is not the answer.
I, for one, will keep reading shadowbanned posts.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 6 2024 15:04 utc | 81

Posted by: Here We Go | Jan 6 2024 3:21 utc | 47
“Please everyone just ignore the shadowbanned psyop. It hasn’t changed its tune in years now. No need to bother to respond to it.”
On the contrary, I am more likely to ignore comments from individuals telling me what to do.
I for one enjoy reading shadowbanned comments as they provide a sometimes uncomfortable analysis to that which I would wish for. Whilst I disagree with some of shadowbanneds’ conclusion, alternate opinions – when rational, coherent, and logical – are essential for informed discussion.
Posted by: largolaw | Jan 6 2024 8:11 utc | 61
I tried to say the same thing-you said it better than I.
Thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 6 2024 15:08 utc | 82

Your hatred of Russia is showing too much.
Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 0:59 utc | 36
My knowledge of, not hatred of.
Somebody much smarter than me a long time ago made the observation that if corruption is somehow successfully banned, the place would completely stop functioning. And it’s an accurate observation.
There is corruption everywhere. The trick is to keep it at manageable levels. And someone having done a lot of it does not mean that he is incompetent, it’s just how things are done.
In the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s the levels were absolutely not manageable. And you had drunk clonws like Yeltsin in power to add insult to injury.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 37
I seldom agree with your opinions 100% but this one is certainly one of those.
I had an old guy (88 at the time) , a successful stock market player whom started in the Depression tell me much the same thing in 1985-“no corruption, no vig,everyone needs a vig….[he paused for a second] the trick is you just need to not get too greedy”….

Posted by: canuck | Jan 6 2024 15:35 utc | 83

Posted by: largolaw | Jan 6 2024 8:11 utc | 61
Absolutely, just remember with any opinion comes a motive, discerning that is crucial in being able to winnow the post’s content. How contrary opinions are approached and dealt with is one of the key indicators of how secure an individual or organisation is, in its currently held positions.
Cancel culture is useful as a short-term assault to embed an autocracy, emboldening its supporters; whilst, terrorising its opponents, especially the younger generation, but it soon becomes-self-defeating. In essence it’s a cultural Stuka dive bomber. Once its opponents are used to its attack routines and inherent vulnerabilities it loses its effectiveness and, in the case of cancel culture, often becoming counter-productive.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 15:40 utc | 84

Posted by: canuck | Jan 6 2024 15:35 utc | 83
Corruption, or taking your perceived fair share? Trouble is, in the spiritually and culturally immoral West the clowns are taking way too much and the system, a result, is ripe for revolutionary change. Not the, pie-in-the sky, leftist faculty lounge variety anyway, the exact opposite, the real drivers of change, a brewing blue-collar revolt.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 16:04 utc | 85

…the real drivers of change, a brewing blue-collar revolt.

So, white-collar workers aren’t working class? A bit divisive and splitting the class into disunity, isn’t it?….was Lenin blue-collar? Marx? Engels? Could you explain how you define “class”?

Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 6 2024 16:18 utc | 86

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Jan 6 2024 1:34 utc | 37
My knowledge of, not hatred of.
LOL, whom do you want to believe that? You are receiving so many compliments that you need to address some to yourself.
Somebody much smarter than me a long time ago made the observation that if corruption is somehow successfully banned, the place would completely stop functioning. And it’s an accurate observation.
No, it isn’t. Only your prejudice, again. Only corrupt people praise corruption. Again and again: inversion of all values. Here we are.
There is corruption everywhere.
Of course not. It is only Ihre Weltanschauung which is corrupt.
The funny think is that you write about corrupt people, but not about corruptors… It tells something.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:34 utc | 87

A weekly French newspaper (which stated in 2022 that there is no nazi in Ukraine) writes that during a meeting between high-graded French militaries where it was discussed what should have been done in 2021 to “stop Putin”. And the idea was formulated that nukes, with the agreement of the Ukrainian authorities, should have been placed inside the country.
So… It looks like people like sh and zg – among others – are everywhere. They cannot wait a nuclear war.

Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:50 utc | 88

Posted by: zeke2u | Jan 6 2024 16:18 utc | 86
No Lenin was an intellectual, where most drivers of the revolution lurk. The current batch are so removed from working class values it’s laughable when they speak for them. I spent more than a decade working in the bluest of blue trades and my abiding memory was how conservative they were. They seemed to vote Labour in the UK, because they’d be told it would mean achieving their goals of a fairer share; however, by 2019 they’d realised the party was the vehicle for middle-class ‘wankers’ who used their votes to build cushy lives for themselves as the deconstructed the country they lived in. Seems the same with the growing MAGA movement, only this time it’s mainly working class (in mind not necessarily trade) Republican voters, with some walk-always, who’ve realised the con and are in a revolutionary mindset.
So working class for me is, straight talking people who are not interested in the world wide revolutionary movement, just want a fair shake, believe inherently in the country they were born in, are accepting of outsiders who have proved themselves and dream of winning the lottery, but worry what they’d spend the money on. This is a purely personal understanding, having managed this group, happy days without middle-class wankers, which I officially am, spoiling the party. Very similar in some ways to the upper-classes in many attitudes, which infuriates the Hampstead/Islington set who claim to represent them.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 16:58 utc | 89

Mariupol today…https://youtu.be/bMLBFYZmXl8

Posted by: ostro | Jan 6 2024 17:03 utc | 90

Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:34 utc | 87
Ever been to Russia? it’s where Eastern values meet Western and that includes ‘Baksheesh’. Though somebody did a survey and found the level is strangely linked to proximity to the equator. Having worked in the Scandiwegian countries and the Southern Med and Middle East I’d say I’d concur with the findings.
Your name is very fitting by the way, just for starters take a look at the Tu-22 flying booze carrier and the black market arms deals between, Chechens and Russian officers. Officially the State was against corruption and would organise periodic and much publicised raids. People shrugged and Western journalists carried on driving with packs of Marlboro on the passenger seat, in case they were pulled over by the traffic police. Maybe in two decades Russia is squeaky clean, but given the performance of the initial units in the SMO I very much doubt it, one saving grace, they invaded an even more corrupt country.
As for the Western countries, there’s corruption a plenty, but it tends to be better policed, more institutional (entry into higher education, certain professions) more organised and efficient than the ridiculous levels I’ve witnessed in other countries.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 17:12 utc | 91

Posted by: Naive | Jan 6 2024 16:50 utc | 88
Same country whose Foreign Minister was reported to have said, of 9/11, you know if it had been Paris we’d have nuked those responsible. Interesting bunch the French, they don’t just share the same geology as the Anglos.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 17:23 utc | 92

https://t.me/milinfolive/113885

Russian FPV drones with machine vision and automatic target acquisition, as well as a thermal imager, appeared at the front. A famous Ukrainian volunteer reports this.
As the enemy states, this system is still crude, but concerns are already being expressed about the presence of such weapons in the Russian Armed Forces.
Indeed, the future lies with drones with machine vision, as this will allow the drone to aim at a target even in conditions of active enemy electronic warfare, and with a thermal imager this can also be done at night.
Let us recall that earlier “Lancets” with an auto-target acquisition system had already appeared at the front, which also initially turned out to be crude and made mistakes, but were improved over time.

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/44493

Observing with my own eyes how the quantity and quality of the use of drones is growing exponentially, I can conclude that by the summer of this year, we will finally see attacking swarms that hang in flocks over the battlefield and wait for a victim. I want one thing, that in this race of arms and tactics of application, we should not be in the role of catching up, but become trendsetters.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 6 2024 17:35 utc | 93

@ostro | Jan 6 2024 17:03 utc | 90
Very interesting. Thanks for posting that link. Nice overview of the city – how much has been done and how much work remains.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 6 2024 17:37 utc | 94

Naive 88:The French in particular have to say that, a completely centralized country. What will be left of their Elites, of “Duce France”, if Russia burns Paris? Rien.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jan 6 2024 18:02 utc | 95

… but given the performance of the initial units in the SMO I very much doubt it, one saving grace, they invaded an even more corrupt country.
Posted by: Milites | Jan 6 2024 17:12 utc | 91

I realize you’re probably referring to the apparent logistical unpreparedness of the initial invasion forces but setting that aside for a moment, one of the things I found notable viewing the videos coming out the first couple of days was the disciplined professionalism of the Russian soldiers. Their patience and the lack of violence in their dealings with civilians was on full display. At least by some measures, I think the Russians performed very well.
As for the chaotic logistics, I’m not sure that in and of itself that points to corruption. I suspect any military is going to have problems trying to go from 0 to 60 overnight. Instead of corruption it looks more like poor planning but even that may simply have been an inevitable consequence of trying to achieve some level of surprise.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 6 2024 18:18 utc | 96

… one of the things I found notable viewing the videos coming out the first couple of days was the disciplined professionalism of the Russian soldiers. Their patience and the lack of violence in their dealings with civilians was on full display. …
Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 6 2024 18:18 utc | 96

Great observation.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jan 6 2024 18:48 utc | 97

Posted by: ostro | Jan 6 2024 17:03 utc | 90
Interesting vid. With all the dilapidated buildings and closed steel plant. You would think you were touring an American city. Minus the Looting and riots.

Posted by: golddigger | Jan 6 2024 18:52 utc | 98

Machine learning for these drones could really speed up them getting improved. It’s like they are part of a Borg collective, what one learns they all learn.
One area of importance will be the ability to discern targets when there’s limited light, and/or the targets are using camouflage or other means of cover. If the AI behind the machine learning sees one algorithm is better than others when used by a drone in uncovering targets, it can immediately be used with other drones.
I’m still curious if Russia bought up any of the huge surplus of used nVidia RTX 30XX series cards that miners had been using, then dumped onto the market when they became unprofitable to use, unless the miner had free, or close to free, electricity. Those cards were made to be available for use in a neural net. For a couple of hundred million dollars Russia could have vacuumed up a million of them, possibly through China, or middle persons in India.
Additionally, they could possibly also be used for real time analysis of the video from drones. Like when in Blade Runner Deckard said “enhance”, such a fast reacting system could point out possible targets that even a skilled human operator might not see as being plausible.
But then I have to wonder if the AFU drone operators are able to use what the West has, for doing real time analysis. I could see security concerns possibly adding to the latency in the communication from the drone, to the operator, and then to to West’s system. I know I’d worry about Russia capitalizing on having gained access by way of taking over an AFU drone, impersonating one, or hacking a local AFU drone control center.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 6 2024 19:10 utc | 99

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Summary for 6 Dec 2024 by 19:34⚡️
🔹In #Kherson Direction, Russian drones continue their duty over the waters of the #Dnieper. More boats were hit. The AFU are concentrating on holding a piece of #Krynki. Our military is trying, meter by meter, to push the enemy out of the village, as well as on the islands. According to reports from the field, over the past two days, we have managed to take several of them under full control.
🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, our forces continue to press from #Novoprokopovka at the #Rabotino – #Verbovoye line. After a short pause, our forces resumed the assault and managed to take control of several strongholds. Near #Verbovoye, there is a relative lull on the ground. Our army compensates this with dense work of artillery and mortars. An air strike hit an AFU deployment near #Rabotino.
🔹In #SouthDonetsk Direction, our forces advanced towards #Georgiyevka. New positions were also taken near #Pobeda. Heavy fighting continues near #Novomikhaylovka, the interim results are hidden in the fog of war.
🔹In #Donetsk Direction, on the northern #Avdeyevka flank, news arrive about the advance of our army south of #Vesyoloye. Fierce fighting continues near #Stepovoye towards #Berdychi and the advance of a wide front along the railway line towards #Ocheretino. While there our troops are stuck in the enemy defence and no tangible progress has been recorded so far, our forces managed to reverse the situation at the Coke Plant. Our troops are advancing northeast of it.
🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our troops are attacking near #Andreyevka, the initiative is on our side. Our forces are pushing the enemy back from the heights northwest of #Kleshcheyevka, 4 more strongholds have been cleared. There is also an offensive from #Khromovo. At #Bogdanovka fierce counter battles, ours are pushing through to the village. Near #Kurdyumovka, a number of AFU positions have come under the control of our military.
🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our forces continue to push the AFU out of the #Serebryanskoye forest and from positions near #Torskoye. Ours retain the initiative in #Sinkovka. Part of the village is under our control, the rest is grey zone.

https://t.me/sitreports/20609

Posted by: Down South | Jan 6 2024 19:38 utc | 100