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January 26, 2024

The ICJ Could Not Order A General Ceasefire. It Ordered Israel To Cease Fire.

The responses by U.S. main stream media to the ICJ judgment on Israel are moronic.

Neither of these headlines is completely true nor do they reflect the court's order:

No legal scholar expected the International Court of Justice to order a general ceasefire.

The court could not order a general ceasefire because its jurisdiction covers only one of the waring parties. An order for a general ceasefire would require that all parties of a conflict are nation states and have signed the Genocide Convention. Hamas however is not a state and is not a signatory of the Genocide Convention and thus not under the ICJ's jurisdiction.

So the court did indeed not order a ceasefire.

It could not.

But the court ordered Israel to cease fire.

Point 85/86 of the court's order says:

85. The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.
86. For these reasons,
THE COURT,
Indicates the following provisional measures:

(1) By fifteen votes to two,

The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular:

(a) killing members of the group;

(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
...

The court clearly orders Israel to take all(!) measure to prevent the killing or wounding of Palestinians.

In short: The court orders Israel to cease fire.

All of it. Now.

The mainstream media try to obfuscate that order with a reference to a general ceasefire which would have to include an order to all parties of the conflict.

That three of the leading media are using similar headlines and a similar obfuscation of the actual judgment points to a concerted propaganda campaign well prepared in advance of the today's order.

Posted by b on January 26, 2024 at 18:17 UTC | Permalink

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Thanks for clarifying this point, b. It should save on some discussion regarding what the ICJ ordered.

It's of course expected that the mass media will spin any ruling any way they want.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 26 2024 18:22 utc | 1

Ben Gvir said afterwards, "Hague shmague".

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Jan 26 2024 18:33 utc | 2

Thank you b for this very important clarification, and for all your excellent coverage of this matter.

Posted by: Chas | Jan 26 2024 18:45 utc | 3

In the interests of truth and accuracy, posts which mention Israel should include the Phrase;

“U.S. and UK backed Israeli terrorists “murdered multiple numbers of Palestinians; including women and children.

“U.S. and UK backed Ukrainian terrorists” murdered 65 returning Ukrainian P.O.Ws.

Note too that British and US troops in Gaza will now face the likelihood of genocide / war crimes charges.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Jan 26 2024 18:46 utc | 4

But again, I ask: What levers of accountability exist? Does anyone believe Israel is going to cease firing at this point, and in light of Nutty Yahoo and his ministers' seeming satisfaction and stated belief that no cease fire order occurred?

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, who was singled out for his alleged incitement by the Court, said that Israel “does not need to be lectured on morality” by the Court.

“The International Court of Justice in The Hague went above and beyond, when it granted South Africa’s antisemitic request to discuss the claim of genocide in Gaza, and now refuses to reject the petition outright,” he said in a statement.

“Those who seek justice, will not find it on the leather chairs of the court chambers in The Hague — they will find it in the Hamas tunnels in Gaza, where 136 hostages are held, and where those who murdered our children are hiding,” he said. “They will find it in the ‘Spirit of the IDF,’ a document that outlines the values and conduct of our moral and professional soldiers.”

I guess we'll see, which is thin gruel for the people stuck in Gaza.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2024 18:49 utc | 5

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant….

It’s not paranoia when everyone’s out to get me

Posted by: Exile | Jan 26 2024 18:53 utc | 6

The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular:

(a) killing members of the group;

(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;


Okay, so Israel can arrest members of the group. A firefight breaks out. Lipstick on a pig easily bypassed. To cover all aspects of ceasefire without stating ceasefire would require great detail. If a ceasefire was intended why not specifically state it. A simple thing rather than a dictionary full of separate directives that would otherwise be required.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 18:53 utc | 7

Israel can arrest members of the group.

@ Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 18:53 utc | 8

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What is Israel's probable cause?

Posted by: too scents | Jan 26 2024 18:56 utc | 8

The ICJ has never ordered a cease fire. War, unfortunately, is not illegal.

The Court can only order a party (or parties) to stop prohibited acts, like genocidal acts. That is exactly what it did today by ordering Israel to stop the commission of genocidal acts.

It also ordered the release of hostages, because taking hostages is illegal.

Those who created expectations that the Court can, and will, order a ceasefire have caused unnecessary disappointment (to some).

The only time the ICJ has ordered the suspension of a military operation is in the Ukraine vs Russia case.

In my understanding, that is because of the unusual nature of the Ukraine case against Russia,in which the Court could only order the suspension of the SMO, because the operation itself may be illegal.

From the Order:

At the present stage of the proceedings, it suffices to observe that the Court is not in possession of evidence substantiating the allegation of the Russian Federation that genocide has been committed on Ukrainian territory. Moreover, it is doubtful that the Convention, in light of its object and purpose, authorizes a Contracting Party’s unilateral use of force in the territory of another State for the purpose of preventing or punishing an alleged genocide.

Under these circumstances, the Court considers that Ukraine has a plausible right not to be subjected to military operations by the Russian Federation for the purpose of preventing and punishing an alleged genocide in the territory of Ukraine.

Posted by: JB | Jan 26 2024 18:57 utc | 9

thanks b...

so why is the media obfuscating?? it lends merit to the idea the media is run by the self interests of the jewish people..

Posted by: james | Jan 26 2024 18:58 utc | 10

Hi all.

Some commentators confuse the international court of justice, which has just ruled on the genocide case in Gaza, with the international criminal court that ruled on Ukraine and issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin.

The International Court of Justice is a UN body founded at the same time in 1945.

The International Criminal Court was established by the Rome Statute in 1998 and entered into force in 2002.

Both are headquartered in The Hague.

There is no difference in treatment by the same court that would be a sign of bias or corruption.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:05 utc | 11

Posted by: JB | Jan 26 2024 18:57 utc | 10 and Segbo at 13:

Yes, most of us already understand this, but thank you for clarifying for anyone that did not.

That said, my comment was in response to b's post which says that a ceasefire has effectively been ordered, or rather that the court says that Israel SHOULD cease firing. An order/statement that Israel will (and is) certainly ignore(ing).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2024 19:10 utc | 12

I just read and took notes on the 29-page IJC written statement.

They do not accept Israel's claim of "no dispute", and summarize facts of the situation and quote several UN official reports. They do accept SA's claim that there is urgency and thus issued a preliminary set of binding orders to Israel. Finally they note that there is a problem with Hamas having hostages, as pointed out above no mention of Palestinian prisoners.

Here's my summary of the conclusion: (upper case statements are mine)


CONCLUSION AND MEASURES TO BE ADOPTED BY ISRAEL
75. The Court concludes on the basis of the above considerations that the conditions required by its Statute for it to indicate provisional measures are met. It is therefore necessary, pending its final decision, for the Court to indicate certain measures in order to protect the rights claimed by South Africa that the Court has found to be plausible (see paragraph 54 above).

STOP KILLING, HARMING, PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION, PREVENTING BIRTHS
78. The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.

PREVENT AND PUNISH PUBLIC INCITEMENT TO COMMIT GENOCIDE
79. The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.

PROVIDE SERVICES AND ASSISTANCE
80. The Court further considers that Israel must take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

PRESERVE EVIDENCE
81. Israel must also take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of the Genocide Convention against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.

REPORT COMPLIANCE WITHIN ONE MONTH
82. Regarding the provisional measure requested by South Africa that Israel must submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to its Order, the Court recalls that it has the power, reflected in Article 78 of the Rules of Court, to request the parties to provide information on any matter connected with the implementation of any provisional measures it has indicated. In view of the specific provisional measures it has decided to indicate, the Court considers that Israel must submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order within one month, as from the date of this Order. The report so provided shall then be communicated to South Africa, which shall be given the opportunity to submit to the Court its comments thereon.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 26 2024 19:12 utc | 13

From page 1 of the ruling linked above:

"must perform the obligations of reparation in the interest of Palestinian victims, including but not limited to allowing the safe and dignified return of forcibly displaced and/or abducted Palestinians to their homes,...

Yeah, right: what homes do they now have left to return to?

(Yet another example of how the world order now in effect is unable to effect pretty much anything important. Except maybe soon vaccine passports, now being worked on...)

This ruling is major in that it is unprecedented in the modern era viz Israel, but it remains to be seen what sort of repercussions it will engender, if any.

At some point a way must be found to ENFORCE a cease fire, an extremely tricky thing to pull off and one which might do more harm than good long term. In any case, we are a long ways from that.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 26 2024 19:12 utc | 14

I call bullshit.

The ruling means “Continue the genocide, but we won’t call it that.”

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 26 2024 19:15 utc | 15

too scents | Jan 26 2024 18:56 utc | 9

Probable cause? Take your pick. Any form of truth/actual cause has little relevance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 19:17 utc | 16

Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:05 utc | 13

ICJ also ruled against Russia on the SMO and actualy ordered it to cease, unlike the Gaza lipstick on a pig ruling.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 19:19 utc | 17

Interesting b. Judge Napolitano's Roundtable with Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern feels that Measure (1) effectively amounts to a ceasefire.
https://www.youtube.com/live/T_IH3y_Q0-Y?si=hFyHmDtqqC7NzS30

I thought I'd pop back in and let the bar know, and well, you already did.

Not exactly in my view, they can still fight it out in the tunnels and attempt to occupy Gaza. Yes, HAMAS wants a ceasefire for the sake of its people. That said, I don't believe either side wants an end to this conflict.

Excluding genocide, I don't see how Israel wins this war.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 26 2024 19:38 utc | 18

How is India, Brazil, etc reacting ?

Any hints of sanctions ?

Posted by: Exile | Jan 26 2024 19:39 utc | 19

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 19:19 utc | 17

ICJ also ruled against Russia on the SMO and actualy ordered it to cease, unlike the Gaza lipstick on a pig ruling.

That's right. What I mean is that:

1) South Africa didn't ask for a cease fire.It can't. And even if the had, they would have get the same answer Russia get, that you have first to show there is a genocide going.

2) A general cease fire include Hamas, which not being z state can't be addressed by the ICJ.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:40 utc | 20

by Scorpion | Jan 26 2024 19:12 utc | 17

At some point a way must be found to ENFORCE a cease fire, an extremely tricky thing to pull off and one which might do more harm than good long term. In any case, we are a long ways from that.

The only way I see it is that if Israel attacks Iran, that is officially under the protective umbrella of Russia and China, those two might slam Israel back. Hes'bollah can damage Israel, but not occupy it, or make it kneel.
All other options are unrealistic unless Israel makes a move on Egypt, claiming preemptive just-in-case strikes.
I guess all of the options have been discussed, as it seems it all looks as some pre '67 repetition of alliances and such.
Very quick make or brake alliances coop.
In their arrogance Israelis will die off blind to the hate and pain they have created in the region and wider, unaware of the fact that it is not the best strategic spot where the tiny piece of land they occupy is. It'll be turned to be a pretty unlivable place, before it stops being Israel in de facto and de jure.
That is what I expect from ICJ to reinforce - a consequences of genocide = a punishment to cease the state and punish top-down initiators and a perpetrators of a clear and advertised genocide of Palestinian native to the region people.
This is the only way to de-Nazify or de-Zionize.
Who is going to put the boots on the ground for the Palestinians except Ansarallah? I am curious too.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 26 2024 19:40 utc | 21

Fucking lawyers.

"within its power""Palestinians in Gaza""safe and dignified return""basic services and humanitarian assistance"

Hmmm...I wonder if some clever Euro/American/Israeli attorneys will find some way to interpret these words in a way to prevent, delay, or even fail to abide by the language of the Order.

Anyone here remember desegregation in the US. Brown v. Board I called for desegregation, but Brown v. Board II allowed the states to desegregate "with all deliberate speed". History has proven, that when racists want to deliberate, they can take a hell of a long time.

And if they don't abide by the order? Which power will send in the force necessary to ensure compliance (like the US govt did to state govts)?

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 26 2024 19:41 utc | 22

@Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2024 18:49 utc | 5

But again, I ask: What levers of accountability exist? Does anyone believe Israel is going to cease firing at this point, and in light of Nutty Yahoo and his ministers' seeming satisfaction and stated belief that no cease fire order occurred?

Be patient. The full meaning of "Genocide Joe" will take some time to sink in.

Posted by: Cyril | Jan 26 2024 19:43 utc | 23

Two points here:
- In the international law terms of the concept, there is no war in Gaza. Israel tried to drag the issue onto the "international humanitarian law" (aka "the Law of War") level, but the ICJ did not engage with this argument. And they did not have to. Genocide can be committed outside a "war" situation, and the ICJ quite properly focussed purely on genocide, not war.
- The ICJ did not "reject" South Africa's plea for a cease-fire. ALL interim measures are in the Court's absolute discretion. They noted South Africa's request, they noted that Israel objected. That's it. They did not address the merits of South Africa's request, they simply stated the interim measures they wanted to see.

Posted by: Jurg Gassmann | Jan 26 2024 19:44 utc | 24

I find the wording "U.N. Court Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide" first-class hasbara. It makes it sound like shitrael is the one trying to prevent genocide instead of being the ones performing it (in Gaza and elsewhere). And if shitrael "fails" to prevent genocide (and of course they will), this stupid wording frames them as good guys who tried their best.

Lots of people in the west are stupid enough that when they hear something like this, they'll be left with the impression that it was after all someone else who was attempting genocide.

Posted by: Michael A | Jan 26 2024 19:46 utc | 25

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 26 2024 19:41 utc | 22

Exactly. Israel will 'slow walk' any compliance and engage in passive aggressive "but we tried!" subversion of the court's wishes. Lawyers, indeed.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2024 19:48 utc | 26

MoA barflies should not expect too much, or indeed anything much at all, from The Wall Street Journal and its sibling media outlets in the News Corporation family.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 26 2024 19:48 utc | 27

@Peter AU1 - ICJ also ruled against Russia on the SMO and actualy ordered it to cease, unlike the Gaza lipstick on a pig ruling.

The case of Russia Ukraine still hangs in the ICJ. There was a public hearing but, according to this timeline, no decision. At least not yet.

The International Criminal Court opened a case against Putin. Different case, different court, different laws apply.

Posted by: b | Jan 26 2024 19:50 utc | 28

Notably, by issuing orders under the genocide convention the court does not prohibit Palestinian resistance while de facto telling Israel to stop killing and destroying, i.e. to cease fire.

Posted by: Sam B | Jan 26 2024 19:57 utc | 29

From what I can find online, News Corp owner Rupert Murdoch still has business interests in Genie Energy, and through that company an interest in drilling for oil in the Golan Heights. That, and News Corp's other connections to major energy corporations help explain the WSJ's pro-Israeli slant and indeed the general pro-Israeli bias of much of the Australian news media landscape, dominated as it is by News Corp-owned companies.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 26 2024 20:00 utc | 30

thanks for trying to clear up the confusion b. this will take a while to digest, but so far it seems to me this is a win for Palestine, South Africa and the rest of the world against the US and Israel. ramps up the pressure on the US to decouple from Israel.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 20:03 utc | 31

Thanks for the clarification(s)-they are much needed.

The ICJ did more than expected and just about all that, at this stage, it can. It is an international institution dating back to the high noon of empires. Its languages are English and French!
This ruling is an indication of the decline of imperialism and the growing irrelevance of institutions like the ICJ.
Its main importance is its propaganda value: the Court has ruled that there may be genocide and that Israel must take steps to prevent it.
Can it enforce the ruling ? No.
Can the ruling be enforced? Very easily: Israel's arms supply can be cut off today, by its suppliers.
It is now absolutely clear: the responsibility for genocide lies with those who are enabling it. One word from Washington and it would all end. A word to Washington from London, Paris, Berlin and that word would be inevitable.
Israel's position is very vulnerable. Hamas has proved it. The question is why NATO insists on perpetuating the genocide.
Is it because the governments involved are more afraid of the Ben Gvir clown act than Joe Citizen? It would seem so. What does Joe have to say about that?

Posted by: bevin | Jan 26 2024 20:10 utc | 32

After all us peeps donate to b's MOA, here's another worthy place; Palestinian Red Crescent Society

https://www.palestinercs.org/en/Donation

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 26 2024 20:10 utc | 33

Thank you for the clarification, b, and thank you also Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:05 utc | 11.

The distinction between the two UN courts is worth clarifying as some posters here have confused the two in the past. The one dealing with states or the one dealing with persons is how I try to keep them separate. And it helps very much to remember that as the Palestinians are not formally a state, they cannot be addressed by the ICJ at present.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 26 2024 20:11 utc | 34

'It also ordered the release of hostages, because taking hostages is illegal.'

It is my condidered opinion, that if the ICJ so ordered, then it should be done. Hamas should release all Israeli hostages forthwith and without condition. Honor the ICJ court. This ruling also applies to the thousands of Palestinians held in Israeli prison camps, we know, for almost all, without cause.

I do not think Israel will honor the court. But I would plead with Hamas to do it. First of all, Hamas, do you realize what an honorable and heroic thing that would be to do? Do you realize the support you would get around the world? In that one move you would defeat Israel IDF. In the hearts and minds of many they will be seen as the wrongdoer, the guilty party. Furthermore, bare in mind, the Israeli government do not care about the hostages anyway. They mean to kill them if neccessary - as they have shown. Show that you care more. Release the hostages alll according to the ruling of the august body of the ICJ, and win this war decisively. All that remains is to stand. Others will come to stand with you. You will not fall. Allahu Akhbar.

Posted by: Áobh Ò'Sheachnasaigh | Jan 26 2024 20:13 utc | 35

b @28
I have not read the ICJ transcript the case, but note this UN news item


https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052
Russia must immediately suspend military operations in Ukraine, the UN International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on Wednesday, in The Hague.

By a vote of 13 to two, with Vice-President Kirill Gevorgian of Russia and Judge Xue Hanqin of China dissenting, the ICJ ruled that Russia “shall immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February.”

The court’s ruling – the first such verdict handed down by the ‘world court’ since the Russian invasion began – is in response to a suit filed by Ukraine on 27 February, accusing Russia of manipulating the concept of genocide to justify its military aggression.

Although the ICJ's verdicts are binding, news reports questioned whether Moscow would abide by the ruling, and the court has no direct means of enforcing them.

In a tweet shortly after the ruling, UN Secretary-General António Guterres said that the majority decision "fully reinforces my repeated appeals for peace."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2024 20:15 utc | 36

1) South Africa didn't ask for a cease fire.
Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:40 utc | 20

It did. It requested a halt to all military operations. That was the first request. The doc is on ICJ site.

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 20:19 utc | 37

Under the old "Uniting for Peace" Resolution the UN General Assembly has the right to impose a Compulsory
Article VII decree requiring full enforcement of the ICJ decision, (including release of hostages and prisoners) once an SC Resolution to that effect has failed on account of a veto. IF Russia, China, and the rest of the BRICS believe their own rhetoric this will have been done by midnight today. Anything less brands them as overtly complicit with the the ongoing mass murder.

Posted by: Shane Mage | Jan 26 2024 20:22 utc | 38

Posted by: Áobh Ò'Sheachnasaigh | Jan 26 2024 20:13 utc | 35

I get where you are coming from. If the counterparty were anyone other than Israel I would agree.

But Israel has ignored rulings for 75 years with the full support of EUUSUK.

The ICJ did not even mention the 11,000+ hostages held by Israel which includes children. Israel has re-arrested two of the kids it released from the prisoner swap of Nov breaking the agreement.

What happens if Hamas releases the hostages but Israel keeps the 11,000 hostages and takes even more. And keeps bombing Gaza? It is already claiming that Hamas itself bombed the UNRWA shelter.

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 20:24 utc | 39

Posted by: Áobh Ò'Sheachnasaigh | Jan 26 2024 20:13 utc | 35

I am in perfect agreement with what you said about Hamas releasing the hostages no matter what evil "israel" does, and started thinking that same thing as soon as the usa judge said it in the wee hours listening this morning.

that said, Hamas has handled this ordeal with patience and wisdom all along and i would not dream to question their judgement if they have other plans. they will have reasons for what they do.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 26 2024 20:27 utc | 40

"The responses... are moronic"

If you think the media are moronic you should listen to American people. Best I heard today went something like "Send those Nazi judges to Gaza and fry them together with the ragheads".

If media reported this one straight the public would be wholly incapable of comprehension. In a relatively short time it will be unavoidable US has lost and lost badly to both the evil drunken subhuman Russians and the raghead vermin.The facts will not be accepted. Several generations will have to die before the facts can even be discussed.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 26 2024 20:36 utc | 41

What stops the Likud ?

Sanctions by 87% of the world

Travel Ban for all members of the IDF or paramilitaries

Posted by: Exile | Jan 26 2024 20:37 utc | 42

Mental gymnastics in full throw on all the media.
All the polatitians.
And israel.
Bias and sell us.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 20:42 utc | 43

This is probably the most famous journalist from Gaza. With a million plus followers on twitter and 18M on insta. Motaz Azaiza.

His unedited raw footage contribued to waking up a generation. He left Gaza earlier this week after having received many death threats from Israel. He's in his early 20s.
He was always actively helping in rescues.
Everytime I saw him all I could think was: just please stay alive.

When he was evacuated by military plane, he joked it was his first time on a military plane. Then added that it was his first time on a plane.

These kids have spent their entire lives on a strip of land 5 miles wide and 25 miles long.

Poor guy is so disappointed. I can imagine his heartbreak. He says, "Fuck the ICJ". Older people are rationalizing but the 20s crowd must feel utterly betrayed.
https://twitter.com/azaizamotaz9/status/1750925451969618416

Beautiful story on him but with harrowing insta footage
https://www.dawn.com/news/1808211/palestinian-photojournalist-motaz-leaves-gaza-after-108-days-what-it-means-for-reporting-on-ground

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 20:51 utc | 44

Looks like Genicide is on the election manifesto then.
Yes or no to that question mr president, mr primeminister.

An interesting election year indeed !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 20:51 utc | 45

Yves Smith (who's almost always right, but delighted when she's wrong) adeptly cuts through MSM nonsense (as does b) on the ICJ ruling:

Of critical importance, and a huge smackdown to Israel, is the Court came as close as it reasonably could to calling for a ceasefire in ruling for the provisional measure (which it devised itself) for Israel to cease military action against Palestinians as members of a protected group under the Genocide Convention.1 I had opined that the Court could not call for a ceasefire since it could not bind Hamas to comply. It would not be sound or shrewd to give Israel an easy pretext for defying the court by saying that a one-sided ceasefire would leave it defenseless. But impressively, the court went as far as it could, and way way further than I expected, in constraining Israel military operations against the Palestinian population.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/01/international-court-of-justice-rules-forcefully-against-israel-in-landmark-genocide-ruling-including-restricting-military-action.html

Keep in mind: Israel could have shined on the World Court. They must have thought (along with Yves) that fancy procedural dancing would impress the court. At this point, 48 very much regrets showing up in the first place, and they won't be happy campers about reporting back to The Hague in 30 days.

BTW: Are there any other cities, besides The Hague and The Vatican (actually Vatican City, I think) which include the definite article? How about the indefinite article?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 26 2024 20:52 utc | 46

1) South Africa didn't ask for a cease fire.
Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 19:40 utc | 20

It did. It requested a halt to all military operations. That was the first request. The doc is on ICJ site.

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 20:19 utc | 37

SA thinks it won today. who am i gonna believe, Israel/msm or SA?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 20:53 utc | 47

formal statement by South Africa on today's ruling
https://dirco.gov.za/statement-by-south-africa-welcoming-the-provisional-measures-ordered-by-the-international-court-of-justice-against-israel/

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 20:55 utc | 48

sample quote from SA's statement

"Above all else, the provisional measures are directly binding on Israel, which is required pursuant to the Court’s order and to the Genocide Convention itself, to stop all acts by it that are plausibly genocidal, such as those raised by South Africa in its Application and request for the indication of provisional measures. There is no credible basis for Israel to continue to claim that its military actions are in full compliance with international law, including the Genocide Convention, having regard to the Court’s ruling."

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 20:57 utc | 49

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 26 2024 19:40 utc | 21

Don't pretend to know how such a thing could happen, but have said for a while now that, given the dysfunction of the United Nations construct and the inability of the two parties to resolve their differences, a higher Authority is needed to put a stop to all this. That Authority, IMO, must be
a) deliberately created ASAP
b) involve all nations in the region (plus possibly already involved Russia).

They can first come together to establish a Compact along with a Resolution to back their decisions with force. Then they can issue an Order for all hostilities to cease after which they enforce that cease fire with boots on the ground.

If such a united front comprising the regional nations is formed and manifests as such, it will be hard for either Israel and lapdog US or US and lapdog Israel to dispute.

In the old world, Kings or Emperors wielded final authority in their Courts. We got rid of them, and in any case disputes between different states or blocs has always been a thorny dynamic.

However, this conflict has been going on in the Middle East's backyard for over a century. Clearly, an intervention is in order and clearly the United Nations cannot provide one. Something new has to happen.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 26 2024 21:00 utc | 50

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 20:42 utc | 43

the bias and sellus media - Mark2 thanks i'm stealing that!

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 26 2024 21:01 utc | 51

Time to take to the streets again.
From the river to the see,
Make palistine Genicide free.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 21:01 utc | 52

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/vessel-on-fire-after-being-struck-off-coast-of-yemen-amid-houthi-threats

Ansarallah hit a British tanker , I guess the british navy was busy doing gender classes

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 26 2024 21:08 utc | 53

"had opined that the Court could not call for a ceasefire since it could not bind Hamas to comply"

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 26 2024 20:52 utc | 46

We need to stay positive and make the best of what ICJ has ordered by using it to pressure politicians of Israel's allies. That is the real significance.

"Ceasefire" is misleading. South Africa had asked for a STOP to all military operations. There is no question that at least ordering a stop is better than not ordering it. (Hamas for its part had announced yesterday it would also stop military ops if Israel did). Also RSA asked for Israel to report within ONE WEEK. The ICJ has given Israel a FREAKING MONTH.

The ICJ has in the past ordered a country (Russia) to stop all military ops.

The specific measures requested by RSA covered what ICJ has ordered but with much more specific and stronger language. This is what RSA requested.

(1) The State of Israel shall immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza.

(2) The State of Israel shall ensure that any military or irregular armed units which may be
directed, supported or influenced by it, as well as any organisations and persons which may be
subject to its control, direction or influence, take no steps in furtherance of the military
operations referred to point (1) above.

(3) The Republic of South Africa and the State of Israel shall each, in accordance with their
obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,
in relation to the Palestinian people, take all reasonable measures within their power to prevent
genocide.

(4) The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to the Palestinian people as a
group protected by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide, desist from the commission of any and all acts within the scope of Article II of the
Convention, in particular:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to the members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part; and
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.

(5) The State of Israel shall, pursuant to point (4)(c) above, in relation to Palestinians, desist from, and take all measures within its power including the rescinding of relevant orders, of restrictions and/or of prohibitions to prevent:
(a) the expulsion and forced displacement from their homes;
(b) the deprivation of:
(i) access to adequate food and water;
(ii) access to humanitarian assistance, including access to adequate fuel, shelter,
clothes, hygiene and sanitation;
(iii) medical supplies and assistance; and
(c) the destruction of Palestinian life in Gaza.

(6) The State of Israel shall, in relation to Palestinians, ensure that its military, as well as any irregular armed units or individuals which may be directed, supported or otherwise influenced
by it and any organizations and persons which may be subject to its control, direction or
influence, do not commit any acts described in (4) and (5) above, or engage in direct and public
incitement to commit genocide, conspiracy to commit genocide, attempt to commit genocide,
or complicity in genocide, and insofar as they do engage therein, that steps are taken towards
their punishment pursuant to Articles I, II, III and IV of the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

(7) The State of Israel shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the
preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II of the
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide; to that end, the State
of Israel shall not act to deny or otherwise restrict access by fact-finding missions, international mandates and other bodies to Gaza to assist in ensuring the preservation and retention of said evidence.

(8) The State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order within one week, as from the date of this Order, and thereafter at such regular intervals as the Court shall order, until a final decision on the case is rendered by the Court.

(9) The State of Israel shall refrain from any action and shall ensure that no action is taken
which might aggravate or extend the dispute before the Court or make it more difficult to
resolve.

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 21:13 utc | 54

Several generations will have to die before the facts can even be discussed.
@ oldhippie | Jan 26 2024 20:36 utc | 41

Your comment brings to mind Zora Neale Hurston's forgotten masterpiece Moses, Man of the Mountain. Moses is a central icon in African American spiritual and gospel lyric traditions -- the plight of Jews escaping Egypt viewed as analogous to Africans escaping slavery. Hurston's Moses was continually tormented by misdeeds of his ex-slave followers, he eventually decreed the whole generation of slaves would have to die off before their descendants could finish crossing over into the promised land.

I'm unusual in being so impressed with this novel. It was an abject flop, popularly and critically. It probably killed all chance of a decent writing career for Hurston -- silly girl, she didn't realize she was crossing an important unwritten rule: that only Jews are allowed to write about Jews.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 26 2024 21:17 utc | 55

DushessAndBob @ 51
Feel free to steal that one, i stole it from the BBC ha ha.
-----------
And that raise an interesting question...
'Is the bbc bias ?
Well mainly yes bias in favour or israel and right wing politics.
But as i mentioned to @ pq this morning small groups from within the beeb fight back.

Now look its been a hard stressfull day if you need therapy as i did and a bloody glood laugh (SATIRE) i recomend....
'The news quess' on todays radio 4 at 6.30 pm'

Wow the guv and oposition gets a new arse ripped.
Its a not to be missed devastating onslought. A subject lesson on nazi take down.

If you can, watch it on the beeb podcast.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 21:24 utc | 56

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 21:13 utc | 54

and yet SA regards this a a milestone in the progress against the genocide. why is that?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 21:25 utc | 57

Sorry for all the spelling mistakes time to stop.
Respect to all.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2024 21:28 utc | 58

So if I refer to Israel as a Genocidal state, will I be considered antisemitic?

Posted by: earthling1 | Jan 26 2024 21:38 utc | 59

@ oldhippie | Jan 26 2024 20:36 utc | 41

lol... i value your perspective...

Posted by: james | Jan 26 2024 21:40 utc | 60

https://kemlu.go.id/portal/en/read/5689/berita/indonesian-foreign-minister-gathers-input-from-experts-ahead-of-statement-at-the-international-court-regarding-palestine

Jakarta, Indonesia – In response to the request from the International Court of Justice (ICJ), Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi will deliver an oral statement to support the advisory opinion (AO) of the International Court of Justice regarding Israel's occupation of Palestine on February 19, 2024 (16/01).

The Foreign Minister is gathering input from international law experts to prepare for this statement. This gathering is conducted through a discussion titled "Advisory Opinion at the International Court of Justice: Efforts to Support the Independence of Palestine through International Law Enforcement" at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office in Jakarta.

In her address, Foreign Minister Retno stated that the views and input of experts are needed to build a comprehensive legal opinion to demonstrate to the world the violations of international law committed by Israel.

"Indonesia supports the efforts of the UN General Assembly to obtain an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice. International law must be upheld. The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination must be respected. Israel's occupation of Palestine, which has lasted for more than 70 years, will not erase the right of the Palestinian people to independence," said the Foreign Minister.

As known, the UN General Assembly has requested legal advice (advisory opinion) from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the legal consequences of Israel's policies and actions in the occupied Palestinian territories, including East Jerusalem. The General Assembly submitted this request to the ICJ on January 17, 2023.

In response to this request, Indonesia has decided from the beginning to actively participate in providing legal views to the ICJ. Indonesia's input consists of two elements: first, a written statement that was submitted to the ICJ in July 2023, and second, an oral statement which will be delivered by the Indonesian Foreign Minister on February 19, 2024, at the ICJ.

Article continues at link

Posted by: pq | Jan 26 2024 21:41 utc | 61

"...a discussion titled "Advisory Opinion at the International Court of Justice: Efforts to Support the Independence of Palestine through International Law Enforcement"...

read those words again

"the independence of Palestine"

what a great day it has been

light at the end of the tunnel at last

keep keeping on, Palestine - because it's different now from here on out

"israel" really has lost

and i feel fine

night, all

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 26 2024 22:06 utc | 62

Canada is already letting the world what it thinks about the ICJ's PM Order.

January 26, 2024 - Ottawa, Ontario - Global Affairs Canada

The Honourable Mélanie Joly, Minister of Foreign Affairs today issued the following statement:

“Today, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) delivered its response to South Africa’s request for provisional measures in their case against Israel.

“Canada supports the ICJ’s critical role in the peaceful settlement of disputes and its work in upholding the international rules-based order.

“Our support for the ICJ does not mean that we accept the premise of the case brought by South Africa. It is for the ICJ to make a final decision on the case, which it has not done today. We continue to follow the case very closely.

“Canada will continue to support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself, in accordance with international law. Nothing can justify Hamas’ brutal attacks on October 7, including the appalling loss of life, and the heinous acts of violence perpetrated in those attacks, including sexual violence.

“Canada remains deeply concerned about the scale of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the ongoing and serious impacts on Palestinian civilians. Canada continues to support urgent international efforts towards a sustainable ceasefire. This cannot be one-sided. Hamas must release all hostages, stop using Palestinian civilians as human shields, and lay down its arms.

“Parties to any conflict must protect civilians and respect international law. They are obligated to allow and facilitate the rapid and unimpeded access of essential humanitarian relief for civilians. Humanitarian access must urgently be increased and sustained in Gaza.”

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 26 2024 22:10 utc | 63

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 26 2024 20:53 utc | 47

Just a question of wording: cease fire = call for both sides to stop military actions.

Here, ICJ call only Israel to stop any action (including military) that kill or wound the palestinians but said nothing concerning Hamas.

Much better than cease fire, in my view.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 26 2024 22:12 utc | 64

https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/1234/516607/Egypt/Foreign-Affairs/Egypt-urges-Israel-to-immediately-implement-ICJ;s-.aspx

if Morsi was still around he would have pushed the region in a much greater mayhem

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 26 2024 22:13 utc | 65

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/23844

Im pretty sure most have seen this video of the school girl chosen to defend israeli genocide. Worth a repeat as I can't stand to put a mark regev repeat of gross lies up. Her mistake is priceless for her reaction. She had one job to tell the lie that there is no Gaza genocide.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 26 2024 22:13 utc | 66

Towns/cities with the definite article. Le Havre. So my mother's home town: Dingle, County Kerry, Ireland. Its name in Irish is An Daingean, "An" being the definite article in Irish.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:15 utc | 67

The European Union said it wanted "immediate" implementation of the United Nations court ruling that Israel must prevent genocidal acts in Gaza.

"Orders of the International Court of Justice are binding on the parties and they must comply with them. The European Union expects their full, immediate, and effective implementation," Brussels said in a statement.

...it seems they finally start to feel the heat.

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 26 2024 22:16 utc | 68

How could I forget La Rochelle? New Rochelle, next door to my home turf of the Bronx, is named after La Rochelle, because it was originally settled by Huguenots.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:20 utc | 69

Israel was ordered to cease and desist on increasing indiscriminate killing of a thousand of Palestinians every couple of days.

Furthermore to not hide what it has done so far .

And allow human conditions in Gaza.

And to give account of measures within a month.

I’ll take that as a win.

Now the fun part is when it is brought to the UN Security Council and/or UE organs .

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 26 2024 22:22 utc | 70

And the Bronx, although it is only a borough/county, not a city, is another example.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:22 utc | 71

By its order to take all steps to prevent the killing of "Palestinians," does the ICJ include Hamas?

Posted by: Kimo Loka | Jan 26 2024 22:28 utc | 72

Posted by: Minaa | Jan 26 2024 22:16 utc | 68

EU is really meaningless. It doesn't really oppose Israel. They are just providing lip service to make it 'appear so' because they are afraid to lose the global south out of their grasp. As the whole non-west opposes Israel. EU is completely controlled by the zio-factions.

Won't work.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2024 22:31 utc | 73

67 Towns/cities with the definite article: you folks missed the biggest -- Los Angeles.

Posted by: nazcalito | Jan 26 2024 22:38 utc | 74

La Spezia.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:41 utc | 75

"By fifteen votes to two"

That's actually a stunning result: the two "no" are certain to be the Israeli judge (a ring-in, btw) and the judge from the USA.

Everyone else - including the judge from Germany, Australia, Japan, France and India - agreed with that order.

Think about that: only a single permanent judge on the bench thought that the IDF was doing nothing wrong and therefore didn't need to be told to pull its head in.

Just. One.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 26 2024 22:47 utc | 76

There'll be many articles on this topic. Here's what I cobbled together, "ICJ Decision--MoA's Analysis", https://karlof1.substack.com/p/icj-decision-moas-analysis

I must applaud and give a very low bow to b for his work on this event as it's superior to most of what's available. The lies and spin began hours ago, and we'll be subjected to it for a few days. I would think this would prompt a renewed exodus of Zionists from Occupied Palestine now that they can't have their genocide or the 100% Zionist state. But as I closed my item, the Global Majority now has lots of work to do and duties to fulfill.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2024 22:47 utc | 77

The US judge voted with the majority. The dissenters were the Israeli, Aharon Barak, who in fact voted for many of the temporary measures, and the judge from Uganda.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:52 utc | 78

The German judge is a son of the historian Ernst Nolte, who played a major role in the Historikerstreit.

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:56 utc | 79

nazcalito | Jan 26 2024 22:38 utc | 74--

La Ciudad de los Palacios--Baron Humboldt--o El Distrito Federal de México.

Sorry, Mexico City is larger right behind Sao Paulo.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2024 22:56 utc | 80

by Scorpion | Jan 26 2024 21:00 utc | 50

Yes. I have the same feeling, but I know less than you.
Issue is that those guys in Israel are rabid and vile. Who will come and point the finger to a Israeli chest and say STOP NOW?
RSA did well and given the position, as a main holder of the BRICS + RoW, surely it has their support.
I doubt that RSA can do much more, given the momentum.
This must be backed up with a powerful force and a political weight that can make the USA go clear off the way.
Aliens? God? Russians? Chinese?

I do not know, but as the USA becomes more unstable day in day out, Israel with limping and imploding America is dead and done. Left on its own, well, that doesn't end up well.
That would be a true justice, but a cruel one.

The other tiny possibility left is to have the UNPROFOR alike mutinational blue helmets, ensuring integrity of Gaza, safety of Palestinians and return to 1948 UN ground-plan. But that is all a dream. No peaceful resolution there.

Probably something that nobody expected will happen.
The Middle East is a snake pit. So much backdoor alliances and partners rapidly change about, and it goes on every level with everyone involved there.

In the old world, Kings or Emperors wielded final authority in their Courts. We got rid of them...

No, we didn't. The same stuff, just a different act, but lineage is still there.

Something new has to happen.

It always does. I am not very bright, but I am optimistic.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 26 2024 22:59 utc | 81

Posted by: Lysias | Jan 26 2024 22:56 utc | 79

Very interesting detail, thanks. Also, good to see you back. Sorry to hear about your brother Polemarchus.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 26 2024 23:00 utc | 82

I am not as optimistic as some with the Court's Rulings. Any expectations that the rulings will restore some form of international justice for the Palestinians are not conversant with the US's record of shaping and corrupting international institutions.

I also don't believe there will be any significant reduction in Palestinian deaths as a result.

Posted by: Menz | Jan 26 2024 23:01 utc | 83

ICJ mutters 'maybe stop' under its breath. Nothing changes. Shades of the League of Nations. The piece b posted by Simplicius yesterday suggests reality will be far more effective against Israel than the Hague's pantomime.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 26 2024 23:03 utc | 84

74 karlof1 -- if you want to count obscure official names, Tokyo is actually Tokyo-to 東京都 or "The Tokyo City" 14 million residents, as opposed to Mexico City's 8.8 million.

Posted by: nazcalito | Jan 26 2024 23:08 utc | 85

a very sad day indeed indeed i would ask you all here hare here to watch the documentary schindlers lists the movie with robin williams called jacob the liar the bbc series hitler a warning from histry if the whole world needs to die to protect the tel aviv village the baal so be it.

as actris maureen lipman said on sky news yesterday never again no more yahu genocides we cannot allow arab terrorist to bake the innocent kibbuzim

Posted by: todd l | Jan 26 2024 23:10 utc | 86

Apologies to all: my assumptions regarding who were the dissenting judge @76 is incorrect.

The two dissenting judges were Barak from Israel (no surprise there) and Judge Julia Sebutine from Uganda (who rejected the very idea that the court should make judgement on what in her opinion was a political question, not a legal question).

So even the judge from the USA was in favor of this interim ruling.

Hmmmm. That should give even greater pause. Though it probably won't.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 26 2024 23:15 utc | 87

85 -- on second thought, "Tokyo-to" might not translate as "The" Tokyo City -- not sure if there are definite articles in Japanese. Also, sorry about being off topic but it was just too interesting.

Posted by: nazcalito | Jan 26 2024 23:16 utc | 88

This genocide has been made possible by all the western leaders who stood by as Israel slaughtered Palestinians and razed whole neighbourhoods to the ground. The UK PM, Rishi Sunak was asked if shooting dead someone holding a white flag was a war crime, and he couldn't even bring himself to say "yes". This is the second time that I've read about in this conflict that Israel has killed people while they were holding a white flag - there's a pattern to their brutality.
The vast majority of western governments are complicit.

Posted by: D J G | Jan 26 2024 23:20 utc | 89

One minor point, but interesting nonetheless: even Judge Barak from Israel agreed with two of the orders.

This one:
"The State of Israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;"

and this one:
"The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;"


The latter is, of course, a given: why would any Israeli judge object to the provision of humanitarian aid to civilians in a war zone?

But the former is much more interesting: Barak is agreeing that senior Israelis in political and military class deserves to be punished for its oft-documented incitement to genocide.

Methinks Barak is about to be called a self-hating Jew by the Netanyahu's of the world.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 26 2024 23:27 utc | 90

"All measures " by Israel would include them ceasing any all action...military... re civilian structures buildings...stop bulldozers digging up services in roads.. settlers .....so has Israel fallen into a trap of its own hubris by themselves and others supporting saying it is not a ceasefire....is that an implication that Hamas can continue against the occupiers...so Isr is leaving itself open to failing (especially by not providing humanitarian aid) at the month review when they must explain what measures they have taken to comply withn ICJ.....as only hostages held by Hamas must be released does this mean Hamas can continue actions to get their detainees released ?

And if Isr does not comply as Netyanhoo and co seem to be defiant and accusative against ICJ....has the axis of resistance the duty to support Palestine to get compliance from Israel???? What would ICJ do then??

Posted by: Jo | Jan 26 2024 23:27 utc | 91

89

read the book yahu and the lies by martin luther nothing new under the son

Khazars are genetically European Turk, and are not related to the original Israelite or Judah tribes. They are also not Semitic, which came out of Mesopotamia. The language that was resurrected through a vision of a purported rabbi in -1865 cannot be verified to be the Hebrew language that had been lost for over 1700 years.

Britain created the Jewish avatar to facilitate colonization in the ME oilfields as the world was transitioning away from coal.

Posted by: todd | Jan 26 2024 23:28 utc | 92

But the former is much more interesting: Barak is agreeing that senior Israelis in political and military class deserves to be punished for its oft-documented incitement to genocide.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 26 2024 23:27 utc | 90

I interpreted that as him protecting Israel: warning the clowns to STFU. Genocide rests on intent. He wants them to stop stating genocidal.intent all over the place so that Israel can wriggle out of the case over the next few years.

A correction to an earlier comment if mine: Hamas releasing POWs is not part of the provisional measures. ICJ has called for it but it is not a part of the binding prov measures because Hamas is not a party to the case.

Posted by: Pq | Jan 26 2024 23:42 utc | 93

another day, another lawless state

representative of the entire Western World and its genocidal Elites, no doubt
shame on Canada


https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1751009870361268607

"We will continue supporting Israel despite ICJ ruling"

Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mélanie Joly said her country does not accept the premise of the genocide case brought by South Africa against Israel.

“Canada will continue to support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 26 2024 23:56 utc | 94

Thanks, b, that’s a salient point.

I don’t think anything more could be expected from the ICJ in this case. No, it won’t stop Israel but it is a watershed moment with potentially significant political ramifications. For one it opens the US to being legally accused of aiding genocide. There will be a UN vote and a UNSC action based on this; there almost has to be. The US will be forced to veto a UNSC resolution requiring compliance with a UN legal finding. Which is perfect evidence that the US is aiding genocide. Or the US doesn’t veto and decades of supporting Israel are shaken. Not vetoing will cause serious trouble in the DC-Tel Aviv relationship.

Even if none of this changes one fact on the ground, which it probably won’t because the US won’t let it, there’s a strategic victory for the national proponents of the “multipolar” world. If you want to establish a new world order you need to discredit the old one.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 27 2024 0:15 utc | 95

As some have already mentioned the US and UK should definitely be listed in the ICJ indictment of genocide.

The US and the West in general always make sure to declare who is backing any and all global conflicts, let us make certain that the US gets the same treatment. There are a dozen or more conflicts around the world killing thousands of civilians that simply would not be happening if not for US backing.

Posted by: jef | Jan 27 2024 0:15 utc | 96

Yeah, right @ 90

Does this mean individual countries can now put out arrest warrants for those identified as calling for and committing acts of genocide?

Additionally, if Israel fails to comply, does this mean that countries can take steps by economically sanctioning a rogue nation?

If the BDS movement created problems for Israel imagine sanctions on the scale of North Korea?

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 27 2024 0:16 utc | 97

Posted by: bevin | Jan 26 2024 20:10 utc | 32 and others
Can it enforce the ruling ? No.
Can the ruling be enforced? Very easily: Israel's arms supply can be cut off today, by its suppliers.
It is now absolutely clear: the responsibility for genocide lies with those who are enabling it. One word from Washington and it would all end. A word to Washington from London, Paris, Berlin and that word would be inevitable.

All the ponderous words uttered by governments, legal “experts” wagging their pinkies at Israel are bullshit in flashing neon lights until some Western “heavy hitter” has the guts to deliver the words to Zion as per Bevin’s statement. But I’m not holding my breath.
It seems that the agenda of ethnic cleansing and general genocide in Palestine will continue till something -lord knows what- finishes it.

Current Israeli War Chant-
Ashes to ashes and Palestine to dust,
If our bullets and bombs don’t kill ya,
Then starvation must.
Maybe the atrocity will reach the level that Hezbollah lets fly, but that would probably (in the short term anyway) be in accord with Israel’s playbook.
I’ll keep watching the space but my despondency is increasing.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 27 2024 0:20 utc | 98

Turkey Sunni just sat at the table with the Shia of Persia Iran. All of Islam is now united. With Russia and China behind them.

How fucked are we? Words cannot describe.

Posted by: RLTW | Jan 27 2024 0:22 utc | 99

In support of
"
If you want to establish a new world order you need to discredit the old one.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 27 2024 0:15 utc | 95
"

That is exactly what we are seeing happen and a whole younger generation will integrate this example of barbarism into their memory and work to make it go away from their lives and others....a scar on their emotional psyche

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 27 2024 0:25 utc | 100

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