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January 13, 2024
Striking Yemen From Afar Will Not Achieve Anything

Last night the U.S. launched another strike against Yemen:

The US Central Command (Centcom) has announced that American forces have launched a fresh strike, targeting an alleged radar site used by the Ansarullah movement in Yemen.

The strike, carried out by the USS Carney (DDG 64) using Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, follows previous one on January 12.

Reports from multiple sources indicate that the airstrikes targeted the vicinity of Sanaa airport and its surrounding areas, north of the Yemeni capital. According to CNN, a US official revealed that this strike was conducted unilaterally by the United States and was of a smaller scale compared to previous actions.

Other reports confirm that this second strike in as many days targeted a radar site:

The US launched a fresh airstrike on a Houthi rebel radar installation Friday, in what was described as a follow-up attack to an earlier barrage across Yemen intended to degrade the group’s ability to target commercial shipping in the Red Sea.

The destroyer USS Carney fired Tomahawk cruise missiles at the radar facility, US Central Command said in a statement.

Central Command called the strike “a follow-on action on a specific military target associated with strikes taken on Jan. 12.”

The only known radar site near Sana'a is at the airport which the Saudis had bombed several times. It was reopened only in 2022, six years after it had been closed, following a UN brokered truce agreement.

Sana'a is some 100 km (60 miles) from the coastline. Why an air traffic control radar in Sana'a should be relevant for marine traffic in the Red Sea is beyond my understanding.

I also do not understand why the U.S. is hitting Yemen at all. The Houthi, part of the ruling Ansar Allah government coalition, want to fight the U.S. As long as the war on Gaza goes on they can not and will not be deterred from attacking ships related to Israel.

Many experts agree with this opinion:

Analysts who study the Houthis said that the American-led airstrikes could play into the group’s agenda and might be unlikely to stop the group’s attacks.

“This was not a miscalculation by the Houthis,” said Hannah Porter, a senior research officer at ARK Group, a British company that works in international development. “This was the goal. They hope to see an expanded regional war, and they are eager to be on the front lines of that war.”

Within hours of the first wave of strikes, a senior Houthi official, Mohammed al-Bukhaiti, said that the United States and Britain would soon realize that they had engaged in “the biggest folly in their history.”

(ARK is one of several companies which clandestine 'regime change' work for the UK's Foreign Office.)

The Houthi have fought the Saudis for eight years and have arguably won that war. Now the Saudis have a truce with the Houthi and continue to negotiate a peace agreement with them. They found that there is simply no other way to handle them.

Many other experts agree:

Laurent Bonnefoy, a researcher who studies Yemen at Sciences Po in Paris, said the strikes were what the Houthis were “looking for.”

“They are gaining what they want, which is to appear as the boldest regional player when it comes to confronting the international coalition, which is largely in favor of Israel and does not care for people in Gaza,” he said. “This generates some form of support for them, internationally as well as internally.”

Ibrahim Jalal, an analyst with the Middle East Institute, described the Houthis as a nimble militant group hardened by years of guerrilla warfare in Yemen and weathering years of Saudi-led airstrikes.

They have “little in the way of large-scale, permanent military sites,” he said, “and instead use mobile launchpads for rockets and drones in addition to networks of tunnels and caves that makes their targeting highly complicated.”

The strikes Friday, Jalal said, were “surgical, largely tactical and symbolic.” He doubted they work as a deterrent.

“The Houthis have too little to lose,” he said, and much to gain. The war in Gaza has enabled the group to position itself as the defender of the Palestinian cause in the region, winning public support at home and abroad and distracting from domestic discontent.

As violence in Yemen’s civil conflict declined, opposition to the Houthis has emerged over complaints that include the group’s inability to pay public sector salaries, according to Maysaa Shuja al-Deen, a senior researcher at the Sanaa Center for Strategic Studies. But the Houthi attacks on Red Sea commerce have struck a chord in a country where support for Palestinians is universal.

“Now everyone is saying, ‘We support the Houthis in this issue,’” she said.

The attacks on shipping bolstered the group’s recruitment efforts, she said, and over the last few weeks — a period including a rare firefight between Houthi fighters and U.S. Navy helicopters — the number of recruits has soared, particularly in Yemen’s northern tribal areas.

Since the Houthis’ beginnings as a youth movement in northern Yemen decades ago, she said, the group had envisioned themselves as more than just a local actor — “they had ambitions of being a regional power.”

Now, as they confront the United States and its allies directly, she said, their wish has come true. They’ve proved their capacity to strike targets far beyond their borders.

“The Houthis will retaliate,” Shuja al-Deen said. “And they can.”

Video shows that after the first strike about a million people took part in a huge pro-Houthi anti-U.S. rally in Sana'a.

All this was obvious to anyone who has followed Yemen a bit. The country can only be controlled from the ground and Yemenis are excellent fighters. The British learned this in the 1960s when they were kicked out of the country even as they ferociously bombed the hell out of it. The Saudis learned this over several wars the fought (and lost) against Yemen.

That is why I do not understand why the White House is doing these strike. Neither do others:

[A] campaign of aerial bombing and cruise missile strikes seems unlikely to deter the Houthis from continuing to try, with whatever resources they retain, to threaten Red Sea shipping. They have other means at their disposal, as well, including uncrewed explosive boats and naval mines.

Fundamentally, any U.S. attempt to intimidate the Houthis seems to suffer from a mismatch between their respective levels of commitment.

The Houthi want to fight while the Biden administration wants to avoid another war during an election year.

When this 'deterrence' action in Yemen fails to achieve any result, as is likely, will it send in ground troops? What is the plan when those fail?

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RIA Novosti now:
The United States and Britain are striking at the naval base of the Yemeni armed forces opposite the coast of the port city of Hodeidah in western Yemen, a source in local authorities told RIA Novosti on Saturday.
“American and British aircraft are attacking a naval base in the city of Hodeidah in western Yemen,” the source said.
In turn, Al Mayadeen TV channel reported that explosions were heard in the south of the city of Hodeidah.

Posted by: JB | Jan 13 2024 15:57 utc | 1

As I have often read on US media, all these actions are meant ‘to bomb Yemen into stone age’.

Posted by: mauro | Jan 13 2024 15:59 utc | 2

https://twitter.com/RaiReport/status/1746153543487115335
2 #USNavy aviators missing off the coast of #Yemen with their F/A-18 Super Hornet warplane, presumably shot down by #Houthis. US Navy watering down the incident by claiming its “two sailors” are missing “off the coast of Somalia.”

Posted by: Dogarp Swek | Jan 13 2024 15:59 utc | 3

Hats off to the principled Houthis. They have balls.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 13 2024 15:59 utc | 4

The West/Saudi have been bombing Yemen for 8, now 9 years with fuck all to show for it except more debt on the public purse: what do they think was going to happen? I don’t think the West is that stupid.
So my idea is that the US realizing that they did not have the support (3 guys from Australia, two wrenches from Canada ) for the Crusader Armada they had to save face; they had to do something.
So they, through channels, tell the Houthis where they are going to bomb (kinda what Trump did in 2017 (?) when the US bombed the Syrian airport) and the Houthis get out of Dodge:
America bombs and declares victory.
Anyways, that’s my theory

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 16:00 utc | 5

The British
bombing campaign 60 years ago gives insight into what news to expect in this US election year:

In one attack, a single Shackleton bomber expended 600 20mm cannon rounds and dropped 60 aerial grenades. The pilot reported firing his cannon at a herd of goats…
The SAS killed some 25 rebels but lost its commander and radio operator, whose bodies had to be left behind. These were decapitated and the heads displayed in Yemen, an incident that caused anger and shock throughout Britain.

Run, don’t walk, out of there.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 13 2024 16:01 utc | 6

RE: I don’t think so here. Then Russia & China were intermediaries, no one wanted “direct” US|Iran war.
Here, this is meant to be a “regional” message. For China (Djourbti) and Russia… “we rule the “international waters, we decided what players come and go”…
China should take this more seriously than they are now. The same “premise of freedom of navigation” will be used as pretext to bomb their nation state next.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 13 2024 16:09 utc | 7

Striking Yemen achieves retaliation from the Houthis. Biden may want to start a war with Iran. Stimulating Houthi retaliation directly against the Americans will stoke Americans war fever in accordance with the warlords plans. US Navy ships in the Red Sea, Persian Gulf, and Mediterranean are now at high risk. Biden better hope the Houthis do not sink an aircraft carrier, which will signal weakness to America’s vassal states in the region. The Houthis may be the be Black Hand at this stage of resistance against imperialism in the 21st century. Their ineffective bomb throwing at shipping in the Red Sea has the potential to start the war against Iran Israel and many Americans in the security state want and have planned for.

Posted by: Wilikins | Jan 13 2024 16:11 utc | 8

Canuck ” I don’t think the West is that stupid. ”
Please provide evidence. I submit the West is that stupid. Biden, Sunak, Trudeau, Schultz, Macron. Mommy still pins their mittens to their sleaves.

Posted by: kupkee | Jan 13 2024 16:15 utc | 9

That is why I do not understand why the White House is doing these strike.

Hammers looking for Nails.
Israel has so much leverage on US leaders that anything will be done. So Biden is in the war room asking the options for Yemen. “Nothing” is not an acceptable answer. There are always drones and Tomahawks, however useless. “Targeted strikes” sounds great in a war room, so that’s what’s being done.
“Send a carrier group” is another well received option, followed by “send an amphibious group”.
No one cares that the Houthis don’t need these radars to attack or that ports aren’t required for speedboat attacks..

Posted by: SOS | Jan 13 2024 16:25 utc | 10

“The strike, carried out by the USS Carney (DDG 64) using Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, follows previous one on January 12.”
Carney was not among the destroyers that fought off the 21 drone and missile attack on Tuesday. Carney was the first destroyer to shoot down drones launched by Houthis. I guess the Carney is very low on air defense missiles in its magazine so it was taken off air defense duty? US destroyers have 90 missiles in the magazine, a combination of air defense and land attack missiles.

Posted by: swordstagger | Jan 13 2024 16:26 utc | 11

A perfect distraction from the defeat in Ukraine.
How better to hide a defeat than yet more defeat?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2024 16:33 utc | 12

Canuck, to your point @5, former Canadian minister of national defence, Jason Kenny, claims the US gave the Houthis plenty of warning. In this interview.
https://youtu.be/SckaY2U52aE
I think it’s time to check in with former Canadian Armed Forces member, Mike Mihajlovic. “I am surprised that Egypt allowed its airspace to be used by the RAF in the combat mission.” he starts with…
https://x.com/MihajlovicMike/status/1745834935057834366

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 13 2024 16:35 utc | 13

One can vividly picture the Israelis – the explosions of the previous bombing hardly died off – yelling into Uncle Sam’s ear: “Do something, NOW, they’re killing us!”.
What a masterstroke this selective blockade is. Classic judo move.. Yes, Iran was to block this sea lane and thus a good part of trade flows, accelerating collapse towards the Great Reset while getting the Western consumer onboard for war with Iran. Now there is an accelerated collapse for the genocidal entity. Which stands on trial in front of the world.
Davos crowd enjoy your big party, it could be the last one of that kind in your lifetime.

Posted by: Leser | Jan 13 2024 16:38 utc | 14

“bomb them to stone age”???
They are already in stone age. They wear sandals and live in caves. So no, NATO cannot bomb them to stone age.
They will have to send in ground troops if they want to defeat them. They won’t. This is just PR moves.
It’s a face saving move by the West.
They now can say “don’t transit through there because we are conducting bombing operations”
Rather than “we can’t transit because of the Houthi attacks”

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 13 2024 16:38 utc | 15

Also to distract from the ICJ and SA’s charge of genocide by ‘israel’
… also attempt by zionists to draw Iran/USA in …
The zionists are fighting to maintain hegemony … I don’t expect things to get better on planet earth for some time …

Posted by: crone | Jan 13 2024 16:39 utc | 16

Duh. It was supposed to be a distraction from the ICJ. Tail wagging the dog. I hope the senile piece of shit bit off more than he can chew

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 16:41 utc | 17

Benefiting the military-industrial complex in a presidential election year is actually not a bad option. Do you think it is a coincidence that the attack on Yemen began at the same time that aid to Ukraine, from which they were profiting, was cut off?

Posted by: CIROC | Jan 13 2024 16:42 utc | 18

The other thing is come to my neighborhood on July 4 or December 31. it’s not fireworks in the way a normal or mentally healthy country would do them. It’s like a massive inventory reduction exercise and straight up excuse to spend as much money as possible.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 16:49 utc | 19

This is all the US can do. Think of it as a feeble whimper. The Anglo-American-Zionist goose is cooked.

Posted by: Moses22 | Jan 13 2024 16:50 utc | 20

Sana’a area sounds like an attempted decapitation strike plus put the airport out of action.
The strikes at the port/near the port, I believe that was the port attacked a number of times during the eight year siege and north Yemen’s main port for supplies.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@14.9684226,43.4173562,9.92z?entry=ttu
US pushing for a new pearl harbor to commence war with Iran or axis of resistance drawing the empire into a trap?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 16:51 utc | 21

Benefiting the military-industrial complex in a presidential election year is actually not a bad option.
Posted by: CIROC | Jan 13 2024 16:42 utc | 18
This makes sense.

“Give us a nice, profitable war, one against an enemy that won’t embarrass our weapons, and we’ll make you king … Again”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2024 16:51 utc | 22

thanks b..
it is all the usa has! bombs, and destroyers and a bunch of military knobs who haven’t a clue on peace, negotiation or diplomacy… thus they do what they have been trained to do – bomb and more bomb…. until those neo cons in power are removed, that is all the usa has!!
meanwhile kudos to the houthis and yemen for standing up in such a principled way… my support and heart is with them..

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2024 16:51 utc | 23

the Biden administration wants to avoid another war during an election year.
Posted by b on January 13, 2024 at 15:44 UTC | Permalink

Are you sure about that?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 13 2024 16:53 utc | 24

very simple – the escalation is meant to prevent escalation.
“Everything the president has been doing has been trying to prevent any escalation of conflict, including the strikes last night,” White House spokesperson John Kirby said on Friday.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 13 2024 16:54 utc | 25

The strikes Friday, Jalal said, were “surgical, largely tactical and symbolic.” … The war in Gaza has enabled the group to position itself as the defender of the Palestinian cause in the region, winning public support at home and abroad and distracting from domestic discontent.
Not sure if the ‘defender of P’ is a quote from this Jalal guy. In any case it is nonsense. You cannot and do not defend from 1800+ km. Take time to understand the Yemeni sentiment in terms of their religious convictions. That is the only thing driving them. In their belief the best revenge is the one doled out by the Creator. That one, none of us may get to see. Hopefully too.
The problem with such armchair analysts is often the utter lack of understanding of details that are a key element.

Posted by: Joey | Jan 13 2024 16:56 utc | 26

So my idea is that the US realizing that they did not have the support (3 guys from Australia, two wrenches from Canada ) for the Crusader Armada they had to save face; they had to do something.
So they, through channels, tell the Houthis where they are going to bomb (kinda what Trump did in 2017 (?) when the US bombed the Syrian airport) and the Houthis get out of Dodge:
America bombs and declares victory.
Anyways, that’s my theory
Posted by:canuck| Jan 13 2024 16:00 utc |5
I agree the US needs to show it’s doing something to protect major maritime corridors – if it didn’t, it’s marine supremacy and imperial status would be heavily undermined – as it should.
They will of course always declare victory, but reality will come biting back when the AnsarAllah continue attacking ships. Then, they can do the only thing they know well how to do: double down using more force.
What else? What else is there available for a country that has instilled in its system gunboat diplomacy for decades, and which has time and again been proven incapable of true, coercion-free diplomacy?
I don’t think they’re stupid; I think decision makers are locked in an ivory tower of delusions of grandeur regarding their own capacities and that of their enemies, and have believed their own propaganda. Nobody down the ladder dares to bring them bad news, which would kill their career. They watch the world from the penthouse patio, not from the street.
Hence, they simply have no touch with reality.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 13 2024 16:59 utc | 27

I can remember 64 years ahgo, looking up into the sky over Aden as RAF fighters took off from Khormaksar Air Base flying northwest into Yemen with the object of breaking the will of the people by destroying crops, killing women and children and reducing their beautifully constructed villages to rubble.
It was exactly the same tactic as that being used by Israel in Gaza and used again and again inthe past century since Billy Mitchell patented the strategy.
The Zaydi Houthi were running Yemen then as they are now: they detest imperialists, and they despise the muslims who ally themselves with imperialism to feast on the spoils.
It is as if the “West” in order to prove their solidarity with the Israeli fascists decided to do the same sort of thing, just in case the Israelis think that they are affecting moral superiority.
Pigs love rolling in the mud. Imperialsts are happiest when bathing in the blood of innocents.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 13 2024 17:00 utc | 28

When we speak of Houthi retaliation, are we expecting the loss of a ship, civilian or military? That would be a real shift, even the loss of a tanker or container ship. If the Yemenis can give the US/UK a bloody nose and demonstrate that their naval resources cannot protect shipping, or better still, their own ships, the provocation might draw the US into a catastrophic overreaction.
As for bombing, one only needs a passing acquaintance with Operation Arclight to know that it achieves nothing against a politically unified and determined opponent. Kissinger, may he burn in hell, was right about such fighters: they don’t need to ‘win’ a conventional war just keep popping back up like Charlie during Tet.
The yanks never seem to understand that symbolic power is 95% of what power consists of. It’s well explored in film (e.g., Coppola’s Godfather 1 and 2, Apocalypse Now) but 24 yr old neoliberal marketing grads who run the State dept have no grasp of it. There a great story about this from the CIA in Afghanistan in the 90s: when they realised that all those Stinger missile systems the US distributed to the Jihadis might become a liability the CIA tried to buy them back. They managed to recover about half; the other half had been given as dowries or gifts and so were beyond recovery. The lesson here is that tribal legitimacy comes from kinship and marriage: Stingers can be more effective this way than via their actual use. Alexander knew this, which is why he married the daughter of anyone of regional importance from Iran to Bactria. Scipio’s father painstakingly built an extraordinary network of friendships among the Celt-Iberians over 15 years. When he died and the Senate sent his replacement the Spaniards rejected him: ‘we will only trust his son’, the later Africanus, whose client base in Spain was decisive against Carthage.
Empire is forged this way. It’s one thing to come in with force to steal resources and plunder. It’s another to establish lasting legitimacy through governance, reciprocity and genuine communication. If the Pentagon had wedded majors and colonels to the daughters of Taliban warlords, then the ritual and familial connections alone might have granted them a lasting legitimacy in Afghanistan: ‘marriage is the ritual that turns an enemy into a friend’.
Modernity, by breaking with that ancient mode of symbolic power, can no longer grasp how power really works. Guest-friendship, kinship, hospitality, careful quid quo pro, lasting real friendships: even the organised crime gets it, but capitalism can’t abide it.
Sometimes folding your hand is the respectable option and your opponent will recognise it. The US has lost its ability to play the symbolic game, and lost the world with it.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 29

RE Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 16:51 utc | 21
If the Sanaa bombing wasn’t purely symbolic maybe the Houthis ‘accidentally’ divulged their HQ location and baited the follow-up attack. Hard to see how bombing the airport will have much effect.
Iran’s proxies seem very disciplined, not offering any openings for wider war. The US/Z will have to sink one of their ships themselves if Iran won’t do it!

Posted by: Leser | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30

Hmmm, let us do some math. Nominal cost of a U.S. cruise missile is around $2. Cost of a Yemini mud hut is say $250.- (I’m embellishing here a little bit, but you all get the idea.) So, for every cruise missile the U.S. launches, the Houthis win out at least in economic terms. The U.S. has only so many missiles in the theater, and so its only a matter of time before the U.S. blows its entire wad after spending a pile of money. Basically, all the Houthis need to do is jump up and down on the beach with spears, and the U.S. armada will trash itself with self-inflicted wounds. (my apologies to the Houthis, I know they are more advanced than cave people, but that is all they need to do.) More over no prudent shipper will transit his ship through a war zone especially one where missiles are actively being fired. Thus not only is the U.S. armada trashing itself, it is also helping the Houthis achieve its goals of closing down shipping to Israel through the Red Sea. What strategy by Washington! Is it not time for the U.S. people to ditch that senile warmonger Genocide Joe; get him out of the White House before he puts the entire U.S. military to shame.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 13 2024 17:12 utc | 31

Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
Very interesting. Brings to mind Putin’s gifts – the 700 hundred year old Quran to Iran, the sword to the tiger ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:17 utc | 32

@ jayc | Jan 13 2024 16:54 utc | 25
that is an insane bit of double speak from kirby… he basically sums up usa ideology in his one line.. thanks for the laugh… it would be funny if it wasn’t so nuts..

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2024 17:18 utc | 33

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
Very well put. Indeed beyond the grasp of modern thinking. Thank you for the insightful post.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 13 2024 17:19 utc | 34

A perfect distraction from the defeat in Ukraine.
How better to hide a defeat than yet more defeat?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2024 16:33 utc | 12
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Reminds me of Ronald Reagan’s 1983 invasion of Grenada after the Beirut bombing of the Marine barrack in 1983.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 13 2024 17:21 utc | 35

Alexander knew this, which is why he married the daughter…
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
Alexander ‘married’. Better reread your sources. Legend says something totally different. Who knows what the truth is.

Posted by: Joey | Jan 13 2024 17:21 utc | 36

What are the chances that Uncle Sam, when his inevitable defeat by the Houthi becomes obvious, resorts to nuclear weapons to “protect the flow of commerce through the strait” ?
“We had to destroy the village in order to save it …”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2024 17:23 utc | 37

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 13 2024 17:12 utc | 32
Yes. History has already taught the USA this lesson: Vietnam. Every victory is pyrrhic, every loss a catastrophe. For the Houthi it’s diametrically opposite: every loss makes them stronger, and victory is every day they’re still flipping the bird at US technological bombast.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:23 utc | 38

Let’s get down to basics:
The US is the hub of the global imperialist project of the financiers. It exists to extend that class’s power and keep it from being overthrown. However, that class exists because of an economic system that is inherently unstable, that drives itself from crisis to crisis. The current members of the class are the survivors of the process by which a few fish eat the others and grow to take up the available space, AKA ‘the concentration of capital.’ This makes every ensuing crisis sharper. We’re in one now, one that may prove to be the final crisis of global capitalism.
Given the above, the US ‘government’ has no good options. It simply doesn’t have the ability to conquer, or even intimidate, larger and larger parts of the world. Like Rome, this empire is falling because it’s greed lead to over-extension, and there were no realistic options left for the protection of the empire. Many of its ruling class prospered, however, in the devolution of power. I think we can expect the same.
In the mean time, the apparatus of the US government, military included, do the only things they have the capability of doing. What else is there? Betray their corporate masters? Not until the very end, if then.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 13 2024 17:23 utc | 39

Canuck ” I don’t think the West is that stupid. ”
Please provide evidence. I submit the West is that stupid. Biden, Sunak, Trudeau, Schultz, Macron. Mommy still pins their mittens to their sleaves.
Posted by: kupkee | Jan 13 2024 16:15 utc | 9
Yes, your are correct all those “messenger boys, girls ” are vapid; when I use the West I mean the top dog, the City (WEF is 100% a owned subsidiary, as is the G7 et al) -perhaps they believe their current nominal puppet, the US ,is its time to fall is now such that they are precipitating a crisis to begin WW3 with the idea of a general Serf genocide, one world government, green blah blah, re-set population to 500 MM as prophesized by that rock [Georgian Guidestones, editor] which has mysteriously disappeared
Anyways, time will tell.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 17:25 utc | 40

Gaza to hide the defeat in Ukraine, Yemen to hide the defeat in Gaza…
Whatever the reason, US caught in the web of its own lies and hubris, flailing as its empire collapses. Still dangerous though like an ISIS enthusiast wearing a suicide belt.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:26 utc | 41

Also to distract from the ICJ and SA’s charge of genocide by ‘israel’
… also attempt by zionists to draw Iran/USA in …
The zionists are fighting to maintain hegemony … I don’t expect things to get better on planet earth for some time …
Posted by: crone | Jan 13 2024 16:39 utc | 16
There are many more goals that can be achived:
And weaken bricks:
– the Chineese just brokered a ceacefire Yemen/ Saudi- that’s gone
– peace and co-operation between Iran and Saudi, UAE might be broken
– provoking escalation egypt- eritrea/ ethiopia
– unstable the sahel
– and on and on

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 13 2024 17:27 utc | 42

There’s a simpler explanation for the dopiness of the jewed-up Yanks and Brits. Both have superiority complexes. i.e. they think their shit doesn’t stink, especially their Ruling Classes.
Hence the US is still looking for a Vietnam-eqivalent War it can actually win. And the Brits are looking for an Afghanistan-equivalent country to dominate, which won’t make an entire army disappear…
“Britons never never never will be slavs” sums it up nicely.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 13 2024 17:27 utc | 43

One can vividly picture the Israelis – the explosions of the previous bombing hardly died off – yelling into Uncle Sam’s ear: “Do something, NOW, they’re killing us!”.
What a masterstroke this selective blockade is. Classic judo move.. Yes, Iran was to block this sea lane and thus a good part of trade flows, accelerating collapse towards the Great Reset while getting the Western consumer onboard for war with Iran. Now there is an accelerated collapse for the genocidal entity. Which stands on trial in front of the world.
Davos crowd enjoy your big party, it could be the last one of that kind in your lifetime.
Posted by: Leser | Jan 13 2024 16:38 utc | 14
A well considered idea.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 17:27 utc | 44

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:17 utc | 32
Good point: Putin and Lavrov—and the Russians generally—understand symbolic power. When Putin visits a random family and sits in their apartment for a cup of tea you can see the guest-host interaction: deference, reciprocity, gratitude, mi casa su casa, sincerity and respect. Western power cannot grasp the vast dividend obtained by simple hospitality and humility because they cannot conceive of having to give something up in order to win respect.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:30 utc | 45

Piss Off The Whole Arab World To Respond To Zionist’s Slaughter of Palestinian Women & Children.
Still Three Countries Left For Regime Change – Lebanon, Syria & Iran
This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” Gen W. Clark
A Slaughter offering in the Hebrew Bible is a type of Jewish animal sacrifice – They Call
The ‘Goyim’ Animals.!

Posted by: JohnF | Jan 13 2024 17:33 utc | 46

For any successful military campaign Boots on the Ground are required. How else is the territory and resources and peoples to be controlled and exploited?
That’s why there are US & Natzios troops still in Philippines, Japan, Germany and Kuwait. Etc.
That’s why Ukrops were brainwashed and recruited to take Crimea. Why the idiot Baltics believe they will own the artic regions. The last ukranians will soon be used up. Which idiots next?
Yemen and Iran and Syria require millions of such deluded proxies to be the fodder and Boots on the ground. This can only be achieved by mass mobilisation in the Collect Waste – not such an easy task as can be sen from the calibre of physical and mental specimens that have been bred here as consumer units that won’t ever rise up.
So it was down to Turkish troops under the promise of a new sultanate and millions of Indian troops as the brown faced imperial invaders – not at all Anglo European like their masters!
Erdo and Modi are failing in that task of conning their wider populations into being such arseholes and fighting for the Raj and Hollywood – Sunak and US-asian turncoats aside.
No Boots – No conquest.
Which leaves just the Burnt Atlanta option – a radioactive land.
Time to stop the crazies. The Multipolar World is being handed a Realisation on a platter.
Better not drop it.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 13 2024 17:38 utc | 47

the Biden administration wants to avoid another war during an election year.
Posted by b on January 13, 2024 at 15:44 UTC | Permalink
Are you sure about that?
Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 13 2024 16:53 utc | 24
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YES; Genocide Joe needs a distraction in the worst kind of way. Ukraine is a basket case and Israel is a nightmare for his re-election. Joe needs a splendid little war that he can control (turn on and off at will) and satisfy his MIC masters at the same time. The Houthi’s made themselves available for Joe and Rishi Sunak, who also is in trouble.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 13 2024 17:40 utc | 48

LATHE BIOSAS
Well said! my country is run by Raytheon Boing Lockheed and Chevron and chase. All are incompetent, because not one of them know anything about the companies they are running. There boards are made up of financial advisors and lawyers, Hence what they make doesn’t function well. We in america live in a country that all systems are failing. Transportation Healthcare Science education and housing. Even entertainment industry can’t make really good movies anymore. The same clowns that run our country seem to be losing their homes to the ocean. It is one of the few joys I get watching idiot rich people build their house on the pacific coast right up close and personal.
We have freezing rain today and a protest! I was in another protest years ago over Iraq in freezing rain! We laid on the ground for 20 minutes at a die in it turned into an amazing experience for every one. Knowing that we were getting a tiny taste of what it was like everyday for Iraqis. 20 minutes is a long time to think in freezing rain! Here I am again the country is failing but happy to kill any one for these crooks

Posted by: Susan | Jan 13 2024 17:40 utc | 49

Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:30 utc | 45
And I’ll tke that a little bit further by mentioning the absolute respect the Chechens have have for Putin which is quite and accomplishment giver Russia Chechen history – Hamas in a very early statement saying they trust Russia. I guess a mans word still has much meaning in the Muslim world.
I guess it is things like that that make me so cranky when these threads get swamped with those projecting western political deviousness onto actual leaders of nations.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:47 utc | 50

The West/Saudi have been bombing Yemen for 8, now 9 years
Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 16:00 utc | 5
b has explained why the year 2015 is used as a starting point;
still, there are relevant criminal events that should not go down
the memory hole.
Even before the targets in Yemen had been “legally” designated as
a Foreign Terrorist Organization Obama used cluster bombs to shred
dozens of women and children in a failed attempt to hit members of
“al Qaida in Yemen (AQY)”.
The war crime immediately became a dirty Obama secret, covered up
with the help of the MSM, in particular ABC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHcg3TNSRPs
An enthusiastic White House had leaked to their contacts at ABC that
Obama had escalated the War on Terror, taking it to another country,
Yemen. This was December 17, 2009 only days after Obama had returned
from his ceremony in Oslo where he proudly accepted the Nobel Peace
Prize.
ABC was thrilled with their scoop and in manly voices announced
the escalation in the War on Terror.
The very next day ABC went silent forever about it, joining the cover up
of a war crime.
Obama’s acceptance speech in Oslo for the Nobel Peace Prize was December 10th, 2009.
Yemen leaders agreed to participate in Obama’s coverup saying it was their
own Yemen forces that had carelessly shredded dozens of women and children.
Obama was grateful to the Yemen leaders (and they were grateful for the
additional armaments given as quid pro quo). The Yemen leaders were not
honored in Oslo. But, ironically, Obama ended his speech honoring women
and children, days before he ordered their slaughter.
“Hope and Change” Obama in Oslo, December 10, 2009:

“Somewhere today, a mother facing punishing poverty
still takes the time to teach her child, scrapes together what
few coins she has to send that child to school — because she
believes that a cruel world still has a place for that child’s
dreams.
Let us live by their example. We can acknowledge that oppression will
always be with us, and still strive for justice. We can admit the
intractability of deprivation, and still strive for dignity. Clear-eyed,
we can understand that there will be war, and still strive for peace.
We can do that — for that is the story of human progress; that’s the
Hope
of all the world; and at this moment of challenge,
that must be our work here on Earth.
Thank you very much.
(Applause.)

One week later Mr Hope and Change shredded dozens of women and children in Yemen
and covered it up.

Posted by: librul | Jan 13 2024 17:49 utc | 51

What a joke. The Gaza ‘war’ is as much fun as you can have without laughing.
If the Yanks and Brits told their bosses in Tel Aviv to stop Holocausting Palestinians then the Houthi could stay home and Bibi could go to jail. What’s so hard about that?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 13 2024 17:49 utc | 52

One thing I don’t get is,
Why aren’t the Houthis’ attack on Israel-related shipping framed as simple tit-for-tat?
Namely, blockade of Gaza in the Med ==>> blockade of Israel in the Red.
I am quite sure the Houthis would challenge the blockade of Gaza if they were positioned to do so.

Posted by: Jane | Jan 13 2024 17:51 utc | 53

Have you guys considered the possibility or probability that the Houthi’s are doing this unknowingly for the benefit of Israel?
These attacks on shipping are achieving many of the aims of Israel.
Collapse of shipping through the Suez Canal that is pushing Egypt closer to a default as the canal is a major source of revenue. That will make the situation inside the country even worse and make the option of accepting the transfer off Gazans to Egypt in exchange for debt write off a necessity to prevent another revolution.
My friends and relatives back in Cairo tell me how hard it is to survive there with 40% inflation and shortages of many basic items. Sure they might be pro Palestinian but when the option is to stand with Gaza and suffer or to feed their children what will most people want?
And the Israelis might also benefit if the forces confronting the Houthis then confront Iran
And the shipping attacks divert media attention from Gaza
Meanwhile the Israeli investments in shipping are making greater profits from the surge in shipping and container rates.

Posted by: Neal | Jan 13 2024 17:54 utc | 54

nice quote from simplicius..
“A decrepit regime led by a senile president and debilitated secretary of state, launching illegal massacres from their nursing homes and hospital beds against the poorest nation on earth—virtually on the same day as their own bloc ally faced genocide and crimes against humanity charges at The Hague.”

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2024 17:54 utc | 55

There must be some Achilles Heel for those that willingly or inadvertently insist on bring the World to the precipice.
The logistics system that supplies them with food and jet fuel must have some weakness somewhere.
I’m basking in minus 30C, while the Boobtube is telling me we must use electricity to blow leaves, to be onside with the Party. Conveniently no one wants to talk about all the Hydro dams and beautiful valleys flooded for hundreds of miles so city folk can get their “clean” energy from a plug in the wall.
There’s a cartoon going around that says “the TV told me if I eat bugs and give the Government more money then the weather will be gooder”. It’s a cartoon character, picking gold out of his nose. And it pretty well summarized the broad, reasoned thinking of our modern Overlords.

Posted by: Kupkee | Jan 13 2024 17:54 utc | 56

“The yanks never seem to understand that symbolic power is 95% of what power consists of.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 29
You hit the nail precisely on the head.
I learned that at a young age [1969]. When I was 7 or so, Grade 2, I had a older, bigger boy in grade 7 beat me up and take my lunch at our lunch recess one spring week. The third or 4th time Kevin overpowered me my Uncle Bruce saw it as he was driving a tractor over a field adjacent to our school yard.
Next morning Uncle Bruce picked me up in the morning, which he never did before, and drove me to school. On the way we stopped at his house and he told me to bring my lunch box full of an apple, sandwich etc.
He told me that he saw me get beat up and my lunch stolen. I told Uncle Bruce , “I won’t tell the teacher” He said,” I know-now give me your lunch box”
I did then we walked over to the sand box in his garden and my Uncle threw the contents of my lunchbox content onto the ground then handed me a plastic scooper and told me to fill my lunchbox with sand. I complied.
When we got back into the pick up truck Uncle Bruce instructed me that when Kevin went to grab my lunch at noon I was to swing the lunchbox at his the side of his head as hard as I could.
I was hesitant. I said “Uncle Bruce he’s bigger than me, what about after…” He interrupted me, “He just looks bigger than you, once he’s on the ground there won’t be any more bother.”
I did what I was told, Kevin never saw it coming – Kevin was knocked out; maybe 2 minutes? I had no lunch to eat but I felt physically and emotionally satiated.
And, Kevin never bothered me again-in fact Kevin didn’t bother anyone again, at least not at my public school.
Perhaps the Empire will be restrained from stealing lunches from smaller entities lunches soon……

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 17:57 utc | 57

nice quote from simplicius..
“A decrepit regime led by a senile president and debilitated secretary of state, launching illegal massacres from their nursing homes and hospital beds against the poorest nation on earth—virtually on the same day as their own bloc ally faced genocide and crimes against humanity charges at The Hague.”
Posted by: james | Jan 13 2024 17:54 utc | 55
Read that last night and loved it.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jan 13 2024 17:57 utc | 58

I think Biden wants to bomb right now and try to achieve the targets (whatever they may be) before the election campaign starts in earnest (it already has kicked off).

Posted by: WMG | Jan 13 2024 18:04 utc | 59

I also think the US and the UK want to provoke Iran into doing something stupid. But – up to now – Hezbollah & Iran seem to be very smart and not take the bait. Or perhaps there will be some sort of retaliation but only at the time and place Iran & Hezbollah want to strike. Keep in mind: the US base Al Tanf in Syria and other US military bases in Iraq are being hit regulalrly (every day ???).

Posted by: WMG | Jan 13 2024 18:10 utc | 60

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:47 utc | 50
I agree: I saw Lavrov greeted by the Uzbek (or Kyrgyz) FM as he disembarked his plane. The way they hugged and talked you could see they were friends, I mean genuinely a real relationship of trust and reliance existed. You NEVER see that with Western leaders, ever. Imagine Penny Wong establishing that kind of relationship? It takes years of cultivation and sincerity.
Aristotle quotes a proverbial expression that he says keeps the political community together: κοινὰ τὰ φίλων: “the things that belong to friends are held in common”. It seems like the last time we saw anything like that in/from the USA was under FDR during the war, perhaps?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 18:13 utc | 61

Modernity, by breaking with that ancient mode of symbolic power, can no longer grasp how power really works. Guest-friendship, kinship, hospitality, careful quid quo pro, lasting real friendships: even the organised crime gets it, but capitalism can’t
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 29……
Comment – Hear, Hear – on my Father’s side we distantly; remotely come from a tiny european tribe that still respects these ancient customs & practices. It’s bewildering to a modern mass man – they simply can not fathom the deep connections going back generations.
Occaisionally, I’ll meet someone who hears my family name and asks “are you the ones that the priest gave a horse ?”. I answer yes – friends for life. The incident happened in the 1450s.
Until the 1960s, Irish and Italians in the U.S. still respected clan ties. I think Greeks and Armenians in the U.S. still do. Jewish Americans obsess over various clan connections.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 13 2024 18:13 utc | 62

The plan when they fail? Declare victory and walk away. That’s what America does best.

Posted by: Janet | Jan 13 2024 18:16 utc | 63

The aim of the USA and the UK is to disrupt trade between China and the EU, and to raise a new iron curtain.
The USA are trying to decouple their economy from the Chinese one.
US-China trade balance, January to November, billions of dollars (x1,000,000,000):
2023 | 2022 | 2021 | 2020 | 2019
-257 .| -359 .| -317 .| -281 .| -318
On the other side the trade deficit for 2023 between the US and the EU is the highest after 2021; the trade deficit between the US and Germany the highest ever; the trade deficit between the US and Italy the highest ever, too.

Posted by: SG | Jan 13 2024 18:25 utc | 64

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:47 utc | 50
Well said. Think about it. A thief thinks all others are thieves.

Posted by: Joey | Jan 13 2024 18:25 utc | 65

Posted by: Joey | Jan 13 2024 17:21 utc | 36
Alexander the Great married 3 times.
First to Roxana, the daughter of a nobleman from Bactria. Alexander then married, in the same wedding ceremony!, Stateira (the daughter of Darius III of Persia) and her cousin Parysatis (daughter of Darius’ predecessor).

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jan 13 2024 18:25 utc | 66

I also think the US and the UK want to provoke Iran into doing something stupid. But – up to now – Hezbollah & Iran seem to be very smart and not take the bait.
Posted by: WMG | Jan 13 2024 18:10 utc | 60
What does this even mean? The US employs force as it wishes. If the US thought they could prevail in a war with Iran, they would just say ‘Iran bad!’ and start bombing.
If Iran went with a massive retaliation, and the US replied with everything it had, Iranians would suffer. The Iranians, the Chinese, whoever- are in a position to win the war against the hegemon without getting great masses of their people killed. If the US escalates, so be it, the resistance will win faster, but at greater cost in human lives and suffering.
It’s the US that is taking bait and doing stupid things, because it does not have the capability to do anything smart. With what? The Empire must prevail by the means at its disposal or withdraw. Withdrawal will precipitate an existential crisis for western finance capitalism.
The US posture is already ‘active defense,’ they have not global-strategic initiative. Eventually, it will become ‘static defense’ as its ability to be active declines. Somewhere along the way, the financial system will collapse for want of fresh meat.

Posted by: Honzo | Jan 13 2024 18:29 utc | 67

Alexander knew this, which is why he married the daughter…
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
Alexander ‘married’. Better reread your sources. Legend says something totally different. Who knows what the truth is.
Posted by: Joey | Jan 13 2024 17:21 utc | 36
Alexander the Great was a switch hitter-most of the Greeks, Macedonian aristocrats of that time were bisexual. Hephaestion was a childhood friend of Alexanders’ then a general under Alexander, they were lovers.
Alexander did marry, he married Roxana a daughter of an Afghan chieftain who helped him defeat Spitimenes in the guerilla warfare in 329-327 BC.
Alexander IV, Alexander and Roxana’s progeny, was killed in 310 BC at the age of 14 during the Diadochi wars.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 18:33 utc | 68

CIROC@1642
America’s industrial base all got sent to China, et al for cheaper labor and more nefarious reasons. The only surviving element remains the WARDEFENSE INDUSTRY. Eisenhower called it the “Military-Industrial Complex”. However, there is nothing complex about its reason for being.
It is all about profits for the most significant shareholders (not mere stockholders). One sterling example is Lockheed-Martin, the largest of the profiteers. Their primary shareholders are said to be London Bank$ters.
Logically, that would zero in on the Rottenchild Crime Clan in City of London, by far the wealthiest criminals on the planet and a major prop of the Talmudist Agenda, as established some 2,500 years ago in Babylon by the rabbinical Sanhedrin. This war, like most of them, is part of that agenda.
Problem for them is that millions have become part of the Great Awakening, in which the veil is being lifted and millions are ready for ALL the corrupted and corrupted institutions to be shitcanned.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 18:35 utc | 69

If the US gets into a land war with Iran, which will have the support of both Russia and China, the Biden regime will fall because the US can’t possibly win..Nor can Israel defeat Hezbollah…But Iran doesn’t want or need a war now, so its allies continue to play it smart…Whereas the US and Israel are just flailing around…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Jan 13 2024 18:41 utc | 70

“The yanks never seem to understand that symbolic power is 95% of what power consists of.”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 29

Very much enjoyed your post. But am curious about the term ‘symbolic power’ and not sure why you call it ‘symbolic’. Do you mean power that is not from physical force alone? It sounds to me like you are describing power based on person to person relationships based on trust and honor. One thing which is so impressive about Putin, and now the alliance with China through two Chinese Premiers I believe, is that he consistently walks his talk, moreover the principles he espoused early on in his tenure he consistently holds to today. No doubt this is why so many nations are gradually joining in, because they can make a relationship with him and see that what they discuss and plan plays out over time. Whereas dealing with the West is just wading through one lie after another decade after decade.
That said, those of us who are suspicious of the new digital money / surveillance / globalist era have good reason for skepticism given what happened during the Covid year. There are always many layers and levels, wheels within wheels, so we’ll have to see how it all turns out. It could be that on some levels things improve markedly but on others they do not.
Once the Taiwan Strait heats up and the USN is stretched thin as a crepe and riots resume in the US and elsewhere, things will get even more ‘interesting’.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 13 2024 18:48 utc | 71

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 17:57 utc | 57 and 68
Yes, poor old Joey. I don’t make a historical assertion without warrant. And yet he is himself confused—he proposes we ‘reread the sources’ only to deny the possibility of obtaining concrete information from them. Then he prefers ‘legend’. Not sure what he’s smoking but he could easily check Brian Bosworth, one of the finest Alexander scholars of all time (Conquest and Empire, Cambridge 1988), a great Aussie too, RIP.
Canuck, I liked your story: I had hoped you would cede your lunch to Kevin only to force him to eat sand. I like a poetic irony in my bully karma.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 18:51 utc | 72

patroklos@17:08
Superlative grasp of history and its relevance today. The concept of the AnsarAllah forces to cause significant damage to a U$$A or Mangy Old Lion destroyer is intriguing. Perhaps the ideal scenario would the crippling…not sinking…of one of them, with a handful of KIA’s and three to four times that number of wounded. Thus, there would be no major-league casus belli, where “they sank our boys” would reverberate throughout the Talmudist dominated mass media of misinformation, malformation and general mindfuckery.
Videos of that crippled vessel staggering to the U$$A base in nearby Djibuti would go viral right across the planet. In such a shituation, the bald-headed eagle with molting tail feathers would be obliged to take a copious dump or get the hell outta Dodge.
What a delicious dilemma for the $enile One in the Tainted House on Pennsylvania Avenue and his “Tribal” managers and “advisers”. That bunch may face high levels of coverted flak from within the Pentagon.
Further escalation, obviously, would not go over well in the ROW, as such an incident would be perceived as just desserts served up hot. Talk about accelerated embarrassment within the juveniles mismanaging the Di$trict of Corruption.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 18:52 utc | 73

Modernity, by breaking with that ancient mode of symbolic power, can no longer grasp how power really works. Guest-friendship, kinship, hospitality, careful quid quo pro, lasting real friendships: even the organised crime gets it, but capitalism can’t abide it.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
Civilization used to be the Mediterranean and those were the rules.
But even far away tribes knew that hospitality was sacred and often gift economy was there before trade.
It was often “better have as a friend than as a foe”
Where did we lose that?
I think it was when capitalism discovered you could just mingle with your peers only, of course that limited things and only came to full fruition when you could have a capital where there were enough to ignore the rest (nowadays worldwide a couple of spots where the peasants that serve feel they are lucky to enjoy some advantages well above the mean)
That’s why RF had to put the oligarchs in line, that’s why China is cleaning up the store, no playground and the boys have to behave.
Now, there are still countries where that hasn’t infected the leaders, kudos to Yemen.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 13 2024 18:53 utc | 74

“Given the above, the US ‘government’ has no good options. It simply doesn’t have the ability to conquer, or even intimidate, larger and larger parts of the world. Like Rome, this empire is falling because it’s greed lead to over-extension, and there were no realistic options left for the protection of the empire. Many of its ruling class prospered, however, in the devolution of power. I think we can expect the same.”
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 13 2024 17:23 utc | 39
I disagree. Rome fell because of culture not extensive land holdings.
Rome became independent in 509 BC when they threw out the last Etruscan King Lucius Tarquinius Superbus ; one can extend Rome’s hegemony until the Eastern Roman Empire that died in 1453-over 2,000 years.
Rome’s greatest expansion was during the reign of Trajan (1) (r. 98-117 AD); the Western Roman Empire fell over 350 years later than this greatest expansion.
The reason Rome itself fell , I believe is because of immigration, slavery to Rome itself and the Empire which diluted and softened the Roman stock . This is not my idea I borrow it from an early 20th century historian Tenney Frank:
“Even a hasty survey of the Republic is enough to show how the original peoples were wasted in wars and scattered in migration and colonization, and how their places were filled chiefly by Eastern slaves. As early as 130 B.C. Scipio Aemilianus reminded the voters of Rome, in words pardonably exaggerated, that he had led many of them as captives to Rome.
The assimilation of the foreign element was so rapid that the son of Marcus Aurelius seems to be the last emperor of Rome who could claim untainted descent from Italian parentage. That calm temper of the old state-builders, their love for law and order, their persistence in liberal and equitable dealings, in patient and untiring effort, their deliberation in reaching decisions, their distrust of emotions and intuitions, their unswerving devotion to liberty, their loyalty to tradition and to the state are the things one expects to find so long as the old Roman families are the dominant element in the Republic. By contrast the people of the Empire seem subservient and listless, caloric and unsteady, soft of fiber, weak of will, mentally fatigued, wont to abandon the guidance of reason for a crepuscular mysticism.
The change is so marked that it is impossible to speak of the “spirit of Rome” or the “culture of Rome,” without defining whether the reference is to the Rome of 200 B.C. or of 200 A.D. History must take cognizance of this change, and in doing so it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the change is primarily due to the fact that the Romans partly gave way before and partly merged p568 their inheritance in a new brood which came largely from Asia Minor and Syria. According to this view the decline of Rome had begun in the last decades of the Republic. (2)
1. Roman Empire did try to conquer Arabia, namely Yemen. The Roman forces, led by Aelius Gallus, moved through Hijaz region of Arabia up to Yemen, but decided to turn back.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 18:57 utc | 75

Just a friendly reminder. Our friend Menz has spoken with colleages. They would appreciate it if instead of the disrespectful term ‘Houthis’ we instead use ‘Ansar Allah’.
Respected members of the bar may not have seen the comment or may have been too inebriated to recall. Cheers.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 13 2024 18:58 utc | 76

I guess it is things like that that make me so cranky when these threads get swamped with those projecting western political deviousness onto actual leaders of nations.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 17:47 utc |50
I think we all have the tendency to project our own surroundings and reality to the whole world.
I see people in Western countries lament that the whole world is going downhill, there is no prospect for the future, and depression is nowadays an epidemic.
They are witnessing the decline of the West, this is their bubble, and they think this is the same everywhere.
But by all means there are still places on the rise in this big world of ours. China first and foremost. The eternal cycle of ying-yang.
Realizing the above freed me, up to a level, from this tendency to project. I think it would be very helpful for the Western populace at large.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 13 2024 19:00 utc | 77

Hanzo@1723
“Overextension” of imperial power is impossible to sustain when the soldier-age demographic is not enlisting…at an ever accelerating pace.
Prime meat for the bloated military establishment is working-class young men from the South and parts of the Midwest. Like many Americans in the deplatformed (economically) classes, those post-adolescent European-descended men; are pissed off at the way the country is going and can’t stand the suit and tie collective.
In simple terms those young Americans are no longer buying the bullshit.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:02 utc | 78

How will Yemen retaliate?
You can be sure that if the Pentagon could choose/shape the response
it would be against American/British civilians.
At 17:49
[Posted by: librul | Jan 13 2024 17:49 utc | 51]
I discussed the Pentagon’s/Obama’s December 17, 2009
slaughter of dozens of women and children in Yemen.
Eight days later there was an apparent Yemen retaliation upon US civilians, an airliner bound for Detroit.
Many questions remain about the involvement of foreign security services in that act.
https://freepress.org/article/underwear-bomber-more-story-kurt-haskell-describes-well-dressed-man-and-man-orange
Came across this article of interest about a second attempt to use underwear.
“Underwear bomber working for CIA”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia
The latter article ends: “Asiri is believed to have been the creator of the Detroit underwear bomb as well as explosives that were packed into printer cartridges bound for Chicago in 2010.”
The “printer cartridges” episode is a true laugher. Saudi intelligence let it be known that they had the tracking numbers for packages coming out of Yemen.
The packages all contained incomplete bombs hidden in printers. How do you possess three packing numbers unless you were close enough to smell the breath of those mailing them? The Saudis later claimed that they had an informant (with a spectacular memory?), but that fell apart when their informant was proved to be hundreds of miles away at the time. Also, the bombs were not completed (the Saudis only wanted to terrorize people and look the heroes) but the British said that they could have been completed by an expert in 15 minutes. The press reported this by saying instead that the bombs were 15 minutes away from going off.

Posted by: librul | Jan 13 2024 19:03 utc | 79

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4406936-us-navy-sailors-reported-missing/
Gee, what happened? Did they fall overboard? Isn’t it funny how no one knows why they vanished?

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 13 2024 19:04 utc | 80

peterAU1@1726
Keen and succinct observation. Well done.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:05 utc | 81

Leser | Jan 13 2024 17:08 utc | 30
*** Iran’s proxies seem very disciplined, not offering any openings for wider war. The US/Z will have to sink one of their ships themselves if Iran won’t do it!***
Isn’t that what the UK’s destroyer is mainly there for?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 13 2024 19:08 utc | 82

Just a friendly reminder. Our friend Menz has spoken with colleages. They would appreciate it if instead of the disrespectful term ‘Houthis’ we instead use ‘Ansar Allah’.
Respected members of the bar may not have seen the comment or may have been too inebriated to recall. Cheers.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Jan 13 2024 18:58 utc | 76
Sorry, but I don’t do politically correct
They are known for something that has little (to nothing) of disrespectful, Hussein Badr Eddin al-Houthi and his brothers led the way, it is only fitting (and I can’t see how it’s disrespectful) to use their leader as a name.
Plenty of supporters of god around, those ones have am history, Houthi is no disrespect.

Posted by: Newbie | Jan 13 2024 19:08 utc | 83

patroklos@1730
Good analysis. Putin’s personal touch does it every time. Don’t please laugh your ass off conceiving of the $enile One attempting to have a friendly and respectful sit-down with relatively humble hosts.
Alexander would be proud of your reiteration of his closest buddy.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:11 utc | 84

Ed | Jan 13 2024 17:21 utc | 35
*** Reminds me of Ronald Reagan’s 1983 invasion of Grenada after the Beirut bombing of the Marine barrack in 1983.***
So, inhabitants of San Marino had best check their insurance policies?

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 13 2024 19:11 utc | 85

@Posted by: Newbie | Jan 13 2024 19:08 utc | 83
Whatever the case, Hasbara votes for ‘Ansar Allah’.
For obvious reasons.

Posted by: librul | Jan 13 2024 19:12 utc | 86

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 13 2024 18:48 utc | 71
I mean it in the sense Pierre Bourdieu (Language and Symbolic Power) and Jean Baudrillard (Symbolic Power and Death) use it. They both draw it from Marcel Mauss’s Essai sur le don (translated the The Gift).
Symbolic power is the power of (for example) the wager and the gift, in which the compulsion is wrapped up in, and derives from, the sincerity of the gesture. It is the generosity of the gift that compels. Baudrillard’s work is the masterpiece, but not for the faint-hearted. Ultimately he argues that symbolic power (which he opposes etymologically to ‘diabolic’ power) is the power of metamorphosis: I cannot defeat the devil in open war, but I can invite him to eat as a guest at my table; if he accepts the devil is bound by the rituals of hospitality. Much religion (prayer, offerings, etc) work off this principle. Thus the devil becomes a friend; my generosity transforms us.
Diabolic power (dia-bole < 'to throw through' (Gk.) as opposed to syn-bole < 'to throw together') instead attempts to overwhelm through accumulation (rather than participate via circulation). The best example of diabolic power is IBM's Deep Blue chess computer. By reducing the game of chess simply to infinite capacity to calculate you create an opponent who can win every game. But this only serves to destroy the game itself (who would want to play it?). In addition, the computer is not 'playing' (i.e. entering into a risk and wager with an 'other') but merely processing 0's and 1's in a feedback loop. There is no awareness or capacity for 'play', which is a strictly human/animal activity (incidentally why AI is BS: when we invent a computer that enjoys playing for its own sake, I'll get worried...). Thus it is diabolic: it seeks to dominate through infinite accumulation, much like capitalism (which is its fundamental contradiction). Symbolic power, on the other hand, always risks loss in exchange for transformation, for which the image is sacrifice. The god risks death by becoming human but in so doing transforms death into an initiatory passage to blessedness (the crucifixion, Dionysiac mysteries, etc).
Anyway, the Vietnam war showcased the failure of diabolic power: for example, modern militaries cannot match the symbolic wager of suicide in exchange for victory—would the USA self-annihilate (go ‘all-in’) to win? Can you see the Kardashians doing that?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 19:15 utc | 87

It was often “better have as a friend than as a foe”
Where did we lose that?
Posted by: Newbie | Jan 13 2024 18:53 utc | 74
I’m not sure where we lost it, but I’m thinking this was institutionalized through Game Theory.
Yes, under the Prisoner’s Dilemma it is “more reasonable” to betray the other prisoner. So, you do, and you gain your freedom. The game stops there.
Yet, you’ve also gained a foe. This is not included in the “game”.
No wonder the Empire has no real friends.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jan 13 2024 19:15 utc | 88

susan@1740
Spot on. For the past 50 years or so, in this ruptured republic, the tendency has been through “legacies” such as Bu$h the Lesser, for the scum to rise to the top rather than the cream.
Quite right. There are no more adults in the room.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:16 utc | 89

Patroklos | Jan 13 2024 18:13 utc | 61
A bit of an article up at the ABC on Wong heading off to Israel. Our leadership, left or right, are loyal vassals and enthusiastic or not, they will do the empires bidding.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 19:19 utc | 90

I read in the links below that the Houthis shot down an F22 and sank a US ship….
Can anyone here at the Bar confirm?
https://military.pravda.ru/news/1934543-priznat_porazhenie_ukrainy/
https://military.pravda.ru/news/1934014-iemenskoi_rakety/

Posted by: kamma43muri | Jan 13 2024 19:20 utc | 91

Posted by: Ed | Jan 13 2024 17:40 utc | 48
Some people think all these creatures, Biden, Sullivan and Blinken could end up in jail if they lose elections. Hence if they see a possibility of losing election, then they will make sure there will be no election.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2024 19:21 utc | 92

liberul @1749
Obaninable is a well chosen case in point which you implied. That bass-turd son of a CIA woman who aided and abetted the murder of hundreds of thousands of Indonesian’s…mostly leftists…in the mid-60’s…happened/happens to be a “creation” of sorts. He was jacked up into running for politics in ever corrupted Chi-Town by none other than Rahm Emanuel, a very close buddy who arrived on his scene even before Michael showed up.
Emanuel, a dedicated Tribalist, is himself a creature of the Pritzker crime clan, the roots of which goes back to their involvement with the Kosher Nostra crime syndicate some three degenerations ago. Currently, that crime clan has at least one member who is a huge donor to the Democrat party and likely were highly instrumental in delivering all those “votes” for the $enile One, squatting lugubriously in that Tainted House on Pennsylvania Avenue in Di$trict of Corruption.
In a telling “message” photograph published on page one in a January edition of the N.Y.T., Obaminable was standing behind his lectern, surrounded by the cabinet members he was just introducing. Prime message depicted Emanuel standing, arms akimbo, in front of the lot of them. “We got this one” was the implicit message.
On behalf of the Pritzker crime clan, one of whom is currently managing Ill-Noise politics as its gubernator…and of course, the Talmudist Agenda, Emanuel ran…and still runs that little product of the CIA bitch.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:28 utc | 93

“There are many more goals that can be achieved:
And weaken bricks:
– the Chinese just brokered a ceasefire Yemen/ Saudi- that’s gone”
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jan 13 2024 17:27 utc | 42
That’s my fear as well; China’s brilliant rapprochement between KSA and Iran will be broken.
That’s what the Empire does: ‘divide and conquer”
I never thought of that angle when I posted “America bombs and declares victory”-you opened my eyes a touch.
Although it could be that the Empire is desperate, the City has been weakened and the fat Lady has sung.

Posted by: canuck | Jan 13 2024 19:31 utc | 94

Unless the Houtis can shoot down their fighter planse and sink their warships then this just play time for NATO.

Posted by: Keith | Jan 13 2024 19:32 utc | 95

Neal@1754
The scenario you posted vs the squeeze play being imposed upon Egypt could rapidly be dissolved by a coverted “donation” of Chinese money. With such an injection, Sisi would be able to grow a pair…and those Hundred Million Egyptians would be assured of full stomachs…particularly if Russia donates a few shiploads of wheat in Alexandria.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:33 utc | 96

kupkee@1754
Sweet. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:35 utc | 97

Canuck@1757
Skol!! I shall down one of my hoarded Moose-Heads, brewed in New Brunswick since the year of Confederation. Salut!!!

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2024 19:39 utc | 98

Posted by: Neal | Jan 13 2024 17:54 utc | 54
Canals take decades to dig
And unless insurance related things in Cairo shouldn’t be affected since ONLY Israel bound or departed ships were targeted.
In fact to the point about playing into Israeli hands shipping insurance went through the roof once Biden and Sunak attacked Al Ansarallah

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2024 19:46 utc | 99

canuck | Jan 13 2024 19:31 utc | 94
The axis of resistance are very much aware of divide and conquer, hence the Houthis announcing there would be no reprisals against SA. I see in the last few days, China has also brokered peace in Myanmar. China builds, the US destroys but what China is building now has much resistance to US destruction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2024 19:48 utc | 100