Palestine SitRep: Court Hearing - Netanyahu's Concession
Today South Africa argued in front of the International Court of Justice to accept its APPLICATION INSTITUTING PROCEEDINGS against Israel.
It is seeking a preliminary injunction that would largely consist of a formal cease-and-desist letter from the court to Israel.
Israel would thereby be formally prohibited from continuing its murderous campaign in Gaza. However, the court commands no divisions, navy or air force that could compel Israel do so.
The team from South Africa was joined by a lawyer for Ireland.
Tomorrow Israel will argue its case. It has, to my knowledge, not published a written argument.
I do not know how long it will take the court to decide. But there are several precedences in which the court issued preliminary injunctions even in weaker cases. The evidence South Africa presented in its application is clear for anyone to see. There are also the dozens of statements from Israeli officials documented in it which demonstrate genocidal intent.
Next to the application South Africa also argued that Israel, as the recognized occupying power of Gaza and the West Bank, can not claim a right of self defense. An occupying power has the duty to take care of the population under its power. It can not wage a war against it.
Only after accepting South Africa's application will the court start formal proceeding to find if Israel is guilty of the crime of genocide. Such proceedings can take years. That is why the power of a preliminary injunction is necessary to stop the killing.
In other news the genocide proceedings and/or the Biden administration seem to have finally pressed Netanyahoo into a concession:
Netanyahu: Let me be clear — Israel has no intention of displacing Gaza’s population - Times of Israel
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday night Israel “has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population,” rebuffing hard-right ministers’ calls to rebuild Israeli settlements in the territory and encourage Palestinian emigration.The premier’s English-language video posted to social media came on the eve of the International Court of Justice in The Hague hearing a highly charged case accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza.
“I want to make a few points absolutely clear,” Netanyahu said. “Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law.
“Our goal is to rid Gaza of Hamas terrorists and free our hostages. Once this is achieved, Gaza can be demilitarized and deradicalized, thereby creating a possibility for a better future for Israel and Palestinians alike.”
That the speech was published in English but, seemingly, not in Hebrew, makes it likely that Netanyahoo buckled under outer pressure.
He will likely say different things when he speaks in Hebrew:
At the same time, a senior Likud member insisted Wednesday that Netanyahu had previously expressed support for the idea of the voluntary resettlement of Palestinians outside Gaza, but took it off the table in the face of pushback from the US.“The prime minister told me two weeks ago in this room that it’s a good idea,” MK Danny Danon told The Times of Israel, seemingly confirming an earlier report that the prime minister had informed a Likud faction meeting that he was working to facilitate voluntary migration.
The Biden administration claims to have won this concession:
During a press conference in Tel Aviv on Tuesday, Blinken told reporters that Palestinian civilians “must not be pressed to leave Gaza,” adding that Netanyahu “reaffirmed to me today that this is not the policy of Israel’s government.”
Note that in October the U.S. had argued for the 'voluntary' movement of Gazans to Egypt:
As Israel gears up for a possible ground invasion of Gaza following the devastating terror attacks by Hamas, the U.S. is pushing for a safe passage for civilians to flee.The Biden administration is in active discussions about the issue with Israel and Egypt, White House spokesperson John Kirby said on Wednesday, though no breakthrough has been reached on a humanitarian corridor or other action.
When Blinken says that Palestinians "must not be pressed to leave Gaza" he does not exclude a 'voluntary' movement.
Most likely Netanyahoo, as well as the Biden administration, will seek to reach their original aims under different labels.
Posted by b on January 11, 2024 at 14:27 UTC | Permalink
next page »There is no 'concession' here.
It's all weasel words.
They will not "press the Palestinians to leave Gaza" ... they'll just make it impossible to live there in a thousand indirect ways.
And perhaps by the time the IDF pulls out it will be so unlivable they'll not need to do any "pressing".
No "permanent occupation" ? Yes, they'll just exert "permanent control" over the strip as they've done for 76 years.
These monkeys don't understand what "occupation" means.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 11 2024 14:40 utc | 2
The Arabs in Gaza will need to be resettled in Jaffa, Deir Yassin, Bersheeba, and hundreds of other places.
When the denial bubble bursts: an Israeli kibbutz faces the Nakba
Salman Abu Sitta , September 5, 2019
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 14:47 utc | 3
…. Julius Streicher, executed at Nuremberg……
Streicher was a journalist - publisher who was found guilty (essentially) of the crime of inciting hate. Journalists today should be wary of doing the same.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 14:50 utc | 4
The evidence presented by South Africa demonstrates that the words of both Netanyahu and Biden are lies.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 14:52 utc | 5
Perhaps, they should let the Gazans voluntarily leave Gaza for Ashkelon, Jaffa and Haifa, you know the places their immediate ancestors were ethnically cleansed from in 48.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 11 2024 14:56 utc | 6
It certainly is very remarkable how solid the South African case is. A clear case; how Israel and the US are going to get round that problem remains to be seen. I suppose the plan is: no preliminary injunction, and then trail out the final decision over numerous years, otherwise called kicking the case into the long grass. Whether that will work, I remain uncertain. Israel's reputation will be besmirched anyway; and there's only a certain degree that Israel can allow itself to go outside the norms before things start to decline, as they are now doing.
Posted by: laguerre | Jan 11 2024 14:56 utc | 7
many gaza would like to go to sweden and germany and france and liverpool manchester and detroit many communities are based already why not.
if they want to go egypt should be paid compensation to let them go already..it is clear is it not many of the gypsy folks want to leave the gaza is it not why not let the people go now as many officials including david cameron and anthony blinken have said already saving one life saves the world and all that already.
Posted by: josip golani | Jan 11 2024 14:57 utc | 8
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 14:47 utc | 3
You beat me to the obvious
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 11 2024 14:57 utc | 9
Of course I should add that the US administration should be on trial in The Hague for encouraging and facilitating war crimes and genocide.
You cannot simultaneously supply munitions to bomb civilian targets and claim to ‘help people flee’.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 14:59 utc | 10
I don’t know, b. I appreciate your post, and remarks, but occupiers tend not to be moved except by extreme circumstances. Like fear of being attacked by aliens maybe:
“A video purporting to show a bizarre jellyfish-like unidentified flying object (UFO) over a U.S. joint operations base in Iraq has internet users scratching their heads over what it could be.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/10216527/jellyfish-ufo-iraq-video-uap/
Or fear or drowning, the waters becoming hostile:
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-01-11/les-noyades-multiples-en-hausse-au-quebec.php
Stuff like that. In the words of a recent X post by Canada’s Five Eyes branch, the Communications Security Establishment: “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Don't fall for scams this new year.”
https://x.com/cse_cst/status/1745124972085788851
But, all that said, maybe diplomatic pressure did prevail in this instance. Let’s hope it continues to prevail.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 11 2024 15:00 utc | 11
“If there’s no meaning in it,” said the King, “that saves a world of trouble, you know, as we needn’t try to find any.” Alice In Wonderland
The only way Palestinians get their land and rights restored is forcible reoccupation and subjugation of Israel. Who will initiate a R2P and invade to assist?
We'll see.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 15:06 utc | 12
Remember that the Gazans are due a percentage of the Leviathan gas field off their coast, certainly an incentive to drive them away by Israel.
Also, Israel has plans for another "Suez Canal" passing through occupied Palestine, starting just north of Gaza and terminating at the Gulf of Aqaba in Eliat.
No one is mentioning the economic plans of the occupiers and their "need" to remove the Gazans for economic plans.
Posted by: naiverealist | Jan 11 2024 15:10 utc | 13
All the Likud needs to do is pay for the property illegally taken from various Arabs. Way way back in 1948; UNR 194 addressed the subject.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 15:15 utc | 14
https://twitter.com/grasslawn1234/status/1745462890566738273
Here it is: definitive version of Israel's Genocide Apologism Bingo.
Tomorrow will be unbearably vomit-inducing. Keeping this handy along with a glass of Bungle recommended Venezuelan rum may be one way of surviving it.
Times of Israel:
The Hague hearing held as South Africa accuses Israel of ‘genocide’ in war with Hamas
Pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian groups hold rival solidarity rallies outside International Court of Justice; US, Germany both say no basis to charges that Israel denies
Haaretz
'South Africa Is Hamas' Legal Arm': Israel Blasts 'Distorted' ICJ Gaza Genocide Hearing
Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesperson called the South African lawyers 'Hamas' representatives,' as initial responses roll in ahead of the second day of hearings on Friday
Ynet (machine translated)
Israel responds to the absurd show in The Hague: "South Africa - Hamas legal arm"
The Foreign Ministry was waiting for the end of the debate, in which South Africans demanded an order to stop the fighting, responding: "We have envisioned one of the biggest hypocrisy shows in history and a series of baseless and false claims". Tomorrow: Israel will respond to the claims
Posted by: pq | Jan 11 2024 15:21 utc | 15
This trial is isn't only about "Israel." The legitimacy of the ICJ is also at stake.
Ironically(?) abc.net.au's 24 hour TV News channel was due to broadcast its regular DW News at 2am. But 30 seconds after DW's ICJ report began the broadcast shut down with a No Data error for 5 or 6 minutes. It came back on near the end of the ICJ report and has been intermittent since then.
Oz is just as jewed-up as AmeriKKKa if not more so :-)
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2024 15:24 utc | 16
Given the Israeli media headlines, have people (clearly not Pepe Escobar) finally clued in as to why no Arab / Muslim country could have been the one to make the application to ICJ?
All 57 members of OIC endorsed it by the next morning which means it was a strategic decision to have it made by the country with the most "moral authority" while being a distant non-involved third party to Israel's gripes with its neighbours which are behind the 22 year War of Terror.
Kudos to South Africa, amazing work.
This Syriana analysis channel has good content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0PhqzaTtfk
Who activated the sleeping cells in the Middle East?
At the 23 minute mark he has a clip of Avi Lipkin, Patriarchs of the Old Testament which shows the Greater Israel vision: large chunks of Saudi, Syria, Iraq and Egypt, all of Kuwait, Jordan and Lebanon.
His Syriana analysis youtube channel has the full ICJ hearing in case anyone missed it.
Posted by: pq | Jan 11 2024 15:34 utc | 17
To those who question what effect this ruling might have on Israel: None directly, but a number of Israels supporters would be bound by this. Therefore the official support for Israel would drop. Craig Murray explained this a while ago:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/11/activating-the-genocide-convention/
Posted by: Pfeilchen | Jan 11 2024 15:38 utc | 18
Israel Cannot be a Colonial Power and a Democracy
Chris Hedges:The scholar, Yeshayahu Leibowitz, who Isaiah Berlin called the conscience of Israel, warned that, “If Israel did not separate church and state, it would give rise to a corrupt rabbinate that would warp Judaism into a fascistic cult. Religious nationalism is to religion what National Socialism was to socialism,” warned Leibowitz……
https://www.unz.com/article/israel-cannot-be-a-colonial-power-and-a-democracy/
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 15:45 utc | 19
Arch [email protected]'ll call you on that......drones drones and more drones, they'll be pressed alright, right into the Med. Three or four rockets per day, keeps the squatters from play. The Occupiers upsell and resell, but they have no economy to speak of as sheckles from Uncle Mammon keep keep their boat afloat.....for now.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 11 2024 15:45 utc | 20
ethnic cleansing
Posted by: librul | Jan 11 2024 14:32 utc | 1
What is "ethnic cleansing"? Find me a citation to code in any UN Convention, or international laws—not any national statute and not the puerile imaginations of genocide that runs rampant in the peanut gallery of "just" laws of combat between eNTiTIeS. I might have missed it.
WHAT is the legal definition of "ethnic cleansing" therein prohibited?
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 15:46 utc | 21
josip [email protected] let's just relocate all the Squatters back to their country of origin. Problem fixed. Think of all the great Delis, mounds of lox for all. And the Palestinians, they can have their desert, and the freedom to roam it, without being shot by an Occupying asshole.......
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 11 2024 15:51 utc | 23
[email protected] isn't that a job requirement....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 11 2024 15:55 utc | 24
Great post B.
An Irish barrister representing South Africa versus English barristers representing Israel.
The depth of suffering by an occupied people is infinite. The same bastards that brutally occupied Ireland for centuries are still at work in the middle east.
To say today is a monumental day in our world's history would be an understatement.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jan 11 2024 15:56 utc | 25
For once, South Africa is doing something right. I am not sure the reasons are just noble though. I think they want to throw a rock in the machine, as a retort to the threat of arresting Putin, if he showed up in Johannesburg for the last meeting. Putin decided to stay home, not prepared to risk an arrest and deportation.
That was hugely embarrassing for South Africa. However, I applaud the South Africans, they are putting the rest to shame.
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 15:56 utc | 26
"What is "ethnic cleansing"? Find me a citation to code in any UN Convention, or international laws—not any national statute and not the puerile imaginations of genocide that runs rampant in the peanut gallery of "just" laws of combat between eNTiTIeS. I might have missed it.
WHAT is the legal definition of "ethnic cleansing" therein prohibited?"
I'm paraphrasing here, somebody unknown to me, but he said something like this!
"I can't define porn! But I can surely recognize it when I see it!"
And that, in short, is the answer to your question.
Nobody can watch Israel and be in ANY!!! doubt that they are busy with their own version of the Holocaust.
They are killing out of pure bloodlust, there is no excuse!
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:00 utc | 27
Israel’s defense team is led by British barrister Malcolm Shaw, being praised on his homepage "he is brilliant at arguing the almost unarguable cases". No surprise they chose him.
Posted by: Udkanten | Jan 11 2024 16:01 utc | 28
If this ruling goes through i would imagine it will be much harder for america, england and others to justify supplying arms to israel from now onwards. Countrys will have their internal rules against supplying arms to a terrorist state like israel.
Very embarasing. Our 'streets' wont like that in an election year.
I hope the press turns on the polatitions like a pack of rabid dogs, as is happening right now with the post office scandle in UK, that is big this is a 20,000 times bigger.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 11 2024 16:03 utc | 29
i remmember first seeing the movie jacob the liar with robin williams it was a comedy with a very serious messages the jewish nation have to believe have belief in itself because if not then the we have another 1939 all over we are the natural leaders of men and we are resented for it for are leadership rolls we play
Posted by: josip | Jan 11 2024 16:07 utc | 30
With out arms from america,UK ect how long would israels genicide against Palistine be able to continue ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 11 2024 16:18 utc | 31
Without moral and equipment support, Israel would never behave like they do. The same applies to Ukraine.
USA, mainly! but not exclusively, are behind this evil. Is it not time to speak the truth??
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:20 utc | 32
Should the World Court (ICJ) accede to SA's application by issuing timely orders to "cease and desist" genocidal policies and practices in Gaza, that's the most positive legal outcome we could ask for. Arguably, anything short of immediate action from ICJ would represent official permission to continue "indiscriminate" bombing indefinitely, also to expand genocidal tactics into Lebanon, and beyond all recognized borders.
I no longer have any idea what to expect from a world gone mad. This ICJ case feels like the last fraying thread suspending the sword of Damocles over the very neck of international law. This thread breaks for good, right now in January of 2024, should genocidal impunity for USUK48 continue after such clear pleas to respect humanity, in the 21st century.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 11 2024 16:21 utc | 33
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:00 utc | 26
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
- 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio
Personally, I have never ever seen anything 2 (or more) consenting adults have done or could do that I would describe as 'obscene'. But I have yet to see anything israel does that is NOT obscene.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 11 2024 16:25 utc | 34
My sense is that Natanyahoo's (sic) "concession", was prompted by the South Africa complaint and ICJ review, not Biden. And it's very likely just another convenient lie he has not intention of acting on - in other words, not a concession at all.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Jan 11 2024 16:27 utc | 35
Natanyahoo's "concession" is rhetorical and can not be enforced. The Biden administration should not rely on it (if they were serious, which they're not). This is all Kabuki.
Instead, binding conditions should be placed on US military and financial aid or better yet, all aid and military support should be withdrawn pending permanent cease fire and dismantling of Apartheid
Posted by: bill wolfe | Jan 11 2024 16:31 utc | 36
Further to:
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2024 15:24 utc | 16 (ICJ)
ABC News 24 broadcasts DW News at 2am and again at 3 am. The 3am broadcast was flawless and uninteŕupted.
The ICJ report began at 3am and ran for ~12 minutes. It included the opinion of a law professor from Capetown University re the chances of success of SA's case against "Israel". She thinks the ICJ has enough evidence to issue an interim order for a pause in "Israel's" hostilities.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 11 2024 16:32 utc | 37
b, thank you for posting a link to SA's legal brief. Maybe someone here will finally read it in it entirety. It contains citations to relevant code, relevant ICJ case law, documented facts pursuant to VI. REQUEST FOR PROVISIONAL MEASURES, and V. THE RELIEF SOUGHT (pp 71-72) itemized by plaintiff South Africa from the final ICJ opinion and order.
Now. Here, once again, is Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The code makes not distinction between "civilian" and "sovereigns"—that is a calumny invented and propagated by the homicidal maniac Raphael Lemki
“Genocide is the antithesis of the ... doctrine ... which holds that war is directed against sovereigns and armies, not against subjects and civilians.[....] In its modern application in civilized society, the doctrine means that war is conducted against states and armed forces and not against populations. It required a long period of evolution in civilized society to mark the way from which occurred in ancient times and the Middle Ages, to the conception of wars as being essentially limited to activities against armies and states.. The code plainly does not any exception, exemption, or "mitigating circumstance" in defense of genocide. The threshold definition of genocide is low, so low as to engross any means or tactic, tangible and intangible, by any name (euphemism, simile, or malaprop) in any language to achieve one objective, destruction of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group of people.
BTW, ChatGPT identified UK barrister Malcolm Shaw for the defense. They/them/their purportedly is the star of today's oral argument.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 38
To our utter shame the Irish government is not backing the genocide case, however Blinne ni Ghralaiagh as lead lawayer for South Africa gives some hope. She speaks for Irish sentiment far more than weasel politicians. Shame on them.
Posted by: garrett wyse | Jan 11 2024 16:35 utc | 39
Posted by: bill wolfe | Jan 11 2024 16:27 utc | 34
IDF is still murdering Palestinian people today, during the hearing in the Hague.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 16:37 utc | 40
"Natanyahoo's "concession" is rhetorical and can not be enforced. The Biden administration should not rely on it (if they were serious, which they're not). This is all Kabuki."
Posted by: bill wolfe | Jan 11 2024 16:31 utc | 35
No, its not Kabuki theatre. The ROW knows that Israel has, is committing genocide.
If the ICJ rules with KSA one knows the West will not enforce the ruling and the ROW will realize that the ICJ is a useless, toothless institution ("rules based international order"-what a farce) thereby discrediting it as an institution as well as injuring all the other Western institutions' credibility.
If the ICJ rules with Israel the ROW realizes that the ICJ is a total sham and it loses credibility alongside other Western institutions.
Hence, in my opinion, the ICJ and the West lose credibility whatever the ruling.
i remmember first seeing the movie jacob the liar with robin williams it was a comedy with a very serious messages the jewish nation have to believe have belief in itself because if not then the we have another 1939 all over we are the natural leaders of men and we are resented for it for are leadership rolls we play
Posted by: josip | Jan 11 2024 16:07 utc | 29
This is an interesting test for distinguishing ideological and mythological forms offered: will you accept a world where you are not "leaders"? Can you live with others? Can you follow "orders of other leaders"?
I find the problematic sects and projects and personas - plenty to choose these days and of course in history - share a common pattern of characteristics:
- miserable and complaining of "fear of survival" if not the top dogs. never happy never satisfied unless they rule.
- lack of cooperation with their contemporary socio-political system if they are not the top dogs. they segregate, close ranks, resist cooperating with differing points of view. tdlr: they can not compromise, it's a dirty word for them.
- complete and total suppression of all others when top dogs without even a hint of embarrassment or acknowledgement of the "irony". they all do this. a clear pattern.
I'd say these patterns of behavior indicate that the group in question is not fit for "leadership" of anything, much less mankind. Regrettably this opinion is clearly not widely shared and they do get to sit in the top dog chair. Misery all over always ensures.
These groupings need to 'mature' and 'grow up'. Sadly their growing pains will cause substantial death and destruction.
Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 11 2024 16:42 utc | 42
we are the natural leaders of men and we are resented for it for are leadership rolls we play
Posted by: josip | Jan 11 2024 16:07 utc | 29
A) you're not even literate B) you're delusional and confusing your own simple-minded power-tripping with leadership and C) you're dead boring
get well soon before somebody covers you with mustard and chews you up along with that roll you're on
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 11 2024 16:42 utc | 43
U.S. intelligence officials say there is a possibility that Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon will target Americans in the Middle East or even in the mainland U.S.
U.S. authorities have warned of an increased risk of terror attacks since the outset of Israel's war against Hamas. Hezbollah has begun to play a more major role in the conflict, leading to the possibility of serious attacks, according to a Politico report. (Fox News)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-intelligence-officials-warn-hezbollah-may-target-mainland-us-amid-war-in-israel-report/ar-AA1mO66V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=VALBAN&cvid=152ef45c1907403b966c324e69078dce&ei=63
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I am guessing that the covert intelligence community in the US is preparing us for a false flag operation to attack Hezbollah and Iran. It is so easy to do, and so effective.
Question for the non-conspiratorial members at MoA: Will an attack in the US by Hezbollah help Israel escape responsibility for genocide? Eill it help Biden win the 2024 election.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 16:47 utc | 44
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 16:00 utc | 26
Ethnic cleansing is not a crime as such defined in the law.
There is no crime called 'ethnic cleansing', like murder, torture, rape, forcible displacement, genocide etc.
It is a term used to indicate, or describe, a number of different crimes that are intended to, and in fact do, lead to removal of a population from an area where it resides.
Posted by: JB | Jan 11 2024 16:53 utc | 45
Today
Settlers burning homes and olive trees
https://twitter.com/i/status/1745454357666246699
An injured child cries in the arms of his injured father as a result of the ongoing occupation aggression against the Gaza Strip
https://twitter.com/i/status/1745486857331159134
todays baby kills
https://twitter.com/i/status/1745420229667168435
rescued from rubble
Miraculous survival of a little girl, says
@AbujomaaGaza
after all her family did not survive the Israeli bombing of their home in Gaza | #ICJ
https://twitter.com/i/status/1745479748803875122
Israelis being cunts
https://twitter.com/i/status/1744028579560862065
Posted by: ld | Jan 11 2024 16:54 utc | 46
Does any know if the individual judge's decision will be made public?
I fear more than half are bought already.
Still, the value of this dog and pony show is to pull the pants off on the empire.
Posted by: A.L. | Jan 11 2024 16:55 utc | 47
thanks b..
typo in this line - " It can now wage a war against it. " - you mean not - as opposed to now..
Posted by: james | Jan 11 2024 16:57 utc | 48
he is a monster a team player a win machine destroer of contrversy the brits invented dominate this area malcolm is a triumph of the human spirit of winning
Barrister Professor Malcolm Shaw
He handles even the hardest questions with ease – that only comes from being a master of international law.
“‘He handles even the hardest questions with ease – that only comes from being a master of international law.’”
“An excellent blend of the academic and the advocate.”Public International Law
“His individual strength and qualities are based on his highest reputation, strong commitment to international law and the principles and code of legal profession and the highest possible standard of academic competence, experience, knowledge and expertise”
Posted by: josip | Jan 11 2024 16:58 utc | 49
The proceedings in the ICJ, like most functions of the UN mean nothing. The Israeli state will merely slow-walk the genocide as they have the settler plague in the West Bank. Washington's goal here is to not make the obvious genocide/ethnic cleansing so obvious--they have encouraged the Israelis to do that since the 90s when Israel & Imperial Washington solidly rejected the "two-state" solution and the Oslo process. Today, the same policy is in place, i.e., Washington clearly supports the one-state solution of the "one-state" solution, i.e., Greater Israel. I see no way out of this--Palestinians have no hope for legal remedies since obviously there is no such thing as "International Law" because both Israel and the Washington regime do not recognize it and continually and aggressively have turned to the only international law there is today and that is "might makes right" all the rest is flim-flam.
The ICJ will, I'm sure, go through the motions but all this can be trumped by the real international law. Witness the media in the Empire speaking with one voice and that, "there's nothing to see here" so move on down the road and "the people" will just keep voting for Empire in the USA at least. It remains to be seen if all Euro countries will be as gung-ho for Empire as the US elites are.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jan 11 2024 17:01 utc | 50
Re: Hamas' Legal Arm
What does even mean? If Israel were to deny South Africa standing at this stage, making a formal argument on purely material grounds, that would be near contempt of court in my opinion.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 17:03 utc | 51
As Israel considers all civilians in Gaza Hamas and all of Palestine Israel, he is not technically lying because there is no civilian population to displace. And they have no intention of permanently occupying Gaza because there will be no Palestinian territory left to occupy.
Posted by: teddy salad | Jan 11 2024 17:05 utc | 52
The US (and its subjects) proclaim to be "a nation of laws." As such, over the years they have become quite adept at the thieves' cant known as "legal-ese." "'Genocide'" gets people too excited; how about 'ethnic cleansing?' Makes for more manageable optics." Neither Korea nor Vietnam were "invaded;" they subject to "policing actions." There was no declaration of war in 2001 against any who disagreed with the US; there was an "authorization to use military force."
This is wonderfully illustrated in the film Jaws; the mayor says to the police chief, "It's all psychological. You yell 'baracuda!' and everyone says 'huh, what?' You yell 'shark!' and we've got a panic on the 4th of July."
Posted by: robjira | Jan 11 2024 17:08 utc | 53
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 16:33 utc | 37
I think many of us here have read the RSA application in it's entirety since it was first published. It's an excellent document reinforced by an excellent presentation today.
On Palestine, the law is crystal clear and has been for decades. Post Oct 7, Craig Mokhiber said there literally is no case of "textbook genocide" comparable to this one.
He also said, that Western powers deliberately subverted international law in favour of political processes in the case of Palestine, because if law is applied, Israel has NO chance. And this applies to before Oct 7, never mind the last 96 days.
The problem: Israel has never been held accountable to the law. Otherwise we would not be at this stage.
Aside from all the UN resolutions and ICJ opinion of 2004 against Israel,
the precedent of being unaccountable to the law was set by the US, one could cite many different instances but 9/11 is a very clear departure point.
An incident takes places, TV pundits solve the crime in 30 minutes and a country is invaded by the US to be followed by "7 countries in 5 years" of which 6 have been done.
The War of Terror political narrative has thrown international law into the dustbin.
One only has to look at all the ICJ cases to see how much is politics and how much is law.
But now all those previous political ICJ verdicts have been cited by RSA which has put the ICJ on notice that the current legal order, or disorder, is at stake.
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:10 utc | 54
You marxists should learn the difference between "massacre" and "genocide". Israel is currently massacring, not genociding the Hamas barbarians. Hamas crossed over the FAFO bridge and is currently finding out what that means for their so-called death-cult civilization.
Cry all you want. But Hamas and their enablers (which is 80% of the Paleos) are getting what they deserve.
Posted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 55
james | Jan 11 2024 16:57 utc | 47, has already reported this but had already composed it so ...
Thank you for this update.
WRT
Next to the application South Africa also argued that Israel, as the recognized occupying power of Gaza and the West Bank, can not claim a right of self defense. An occupying power has the duty to take care of the population under its power. It can now wage a war against it.
I think "It can now wage a war against it." Should read "It cannot wage war against it."
Let us see what happens.
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 56
Does any know if the individual judge's decision will be made public?
Posted by: A.L. | Jan 11 2024 16:55 utc | 46
I believe so. This is ICJ opinion 2004. The dissenter is Mr. Zionist Judge Buergenthal. Judges can add opinions to clarify their positions, I think.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-204033/
Looking at other cases, judges whose opinions differ are listed.
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:16 utc | 57
Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 11 2024 16:42 utc | 41
I can't think of any who meets this fitness test, though China is a standout - heads and shoulders over all others, as a relative measure and only in external affairs. In absolute terms, CPC's paranoia and police state indicate another failure to pass the basic test of 'reasonable leadership' (which is not the same as 'competent', note).
Reasonable and competent and sane. Wouldn't that be nice! I envy the future generations of Humanity that will live in a sane world with members who have come into the 'inheritance of Adam' and realized the higher state of consciousness and effective marriage of Heart and Mind in our affairs. This will happen. This is a world after the "people of Hell" have been removed, completely. Thankfully, they are all itching to be removed, thanks be to God, so the meek don't even have to dirty our hands. Truly, God is Greater!
Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 58
i think the revised word salad might be connected to the trail of bullshit netanyahu has left to convict himself with the court hearing initiated by south africa.. now he say fall back on his latest bullshit.. no wonder everyone wants to get rid of him.. he is the consumate con artist and more and more people pick up on that..
Posted by: james | Jan 11 2024 17:20 utc | 59
@ Lantern Dude | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 55
yes - either way, it was a typo on b's part which would be good to fix for anyone in the future..
Posted by: james | Jan 11 2024 17:21 utc | 60
Regardless of how the ICJ chooses to respond, it is win-win for multipolarity and the Global South. If the ICJ does the right thing and throws the book at the zionists, then obvious win for justice.
But what if the ICJ turns a blind eye to literal genocide and covers for the zionists?
Consider South Africa. After the embarrassment of being compelled to threaten to arrest Putin, they are likely eagerly hunting for a justification for cutting ties with the ICJ. The ICJ unambiguously siding with genocide would be just such a justification, and in a very big way.
My bet is the biggest part of the Global South will scrap all association with the ICJ if they fail to do the right thing. If the ICJ cannot stand for justice in the most obvious of cases, then what use are they to the Global South?
So if the ICJ fails to stand for justice in this case, they will be exposed as tools of the Empire of Lies, and with such exposure an important weapon of the empire will be destroyed… Win!
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 11 2024 17:29 utc | 61
Posted by: Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 54
Genocides are comprised of daily massacres, like the daily massacres of mostly civilians that the Israeli occupying forces have been perpetrating every day for at least three months. It has been diligently document and presented to the ICJ by South Africa. Your admission of Israel’s crimes here is most welcome.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 17:31 utc | 62
https://nitter.net/RamAbdu/status/1745331912602759224#m
Ramy Abdu| رامي عبده
@RamAbdu
10h
The names of the Palestinian journalists killed by Israel during the genocide in Gaza, whether by bombing or sniping.
1. Mohammad Al-Salehi
2. Ibrahim Lafi
3. Mohammad Jarghoun
4. Asaad Shamlakh
5. Saeed Al-Taweel
6. Hisham Al-Nawajha
7. Mohammad Abu Rizq
8. Ayed Al-Najjar
9. Mohammad Abu Matar
10. Rajab Al-Naqeeb
11. Ahmad Shahab
12. Abdel Rahman Shahab
13. Hossam Mubarak
14. Hani Al-Madhoun
15. Essam Bahar
16. Mohammad Balousha
17. Abdel Hadi Habib
18. Ali Nasman
19. Anas Abu Shamala
20. Sameeh Al-Nadi
21. Khalil Abu Aadra
22. Mahmoud Abu Dhriefa
23. Mohammad Ali
24. Iman Al-Aqili
25. Mohammad Labad
26. Mohammad Al-Shourbaji
27. Rashdi Al-Sarraj
28. Mohammad Al-Hasani
29. Saed Halabi
30. Jamal Al-Faqawi
31. Ahmad Abu Mahadi
32. Yasser Abu Namus
33. Salma Mukhaimar
34. Du'aa Sharaf
35. Salam Maimeh
36. Majed Kashko
37. Emad Al-Wahidi
38. Hudhaifa Al-Najjar
39. Nazmi Al-Nadeem
40. Majd Arandas
41. Iyad Matar
42. Mohammad Al-Biyari
43. Mohammad Abu Hatib
44. Zahir Al-Afghani
45. Mustafa Al-Naqeeb
46. Haitham Harara
47. Mohammad Al-Ghajja
48. Yahya Abu Munia
49. Mohammad Abu Husseira
50. Mahmoud Matar
51. Ahmad Al-Qara
52. Musa Al-Barsh
53. Ahmad Fatima
54. Yacoub Al-Barsh
55. Amro Abu Hayya
56. Mustafa Al-Sawaf
57. Abdel Halim Awad
58. Sari Mansour
59. Hassouna Islime
60. Bilal Jadallah
61. Alaa Al-Nimer
62. Ayat Khadhura
63. Mohammad Al-Ziq
64. Asim Al-Barsh
65. Mohammad Ayash
66. Mustafa Bakir
67. Amal Zahed
68. Musab Ashour
69. Nader Al-Nazli
70. Jamal Haniya
71. Abdullah Darwish
72. Montaser Al-Sawaf
73. Marwan Al-Sawaf
74. Adham Hassouna
75. Mohammad Farajallah
76. Hudhaifa Lulu
77. Hassan Farajallah
78. Shaimaa Al-Jazar
79. Mahmoud Salem
80. Abdel Hamid Al-Qurainawi
81. Hamada Al-Yazji
82. Hossam Ammar
83. Ola Ata Allah
84. Du'aa Al-Jabour
85. Nermin Qawas
86. Mohammad Abu Samra
87. Abdel Karim Ouda
88. Ahmad Abu Abseh
89. Hanan Ayyad
90. Samer Abu Daqa
91. Rami Bdeir
92. Assem Kamal Mousa
93. Ali Ashour
94. Mashal Shahwan
95. Haneen Al-Qatshan
96. Abdullah Alwan
97. Adel Zarab
98. Alaa Abu Maamar
99. Mohammad Khalifa
100. Mohammad Abu Howaidi
101. Ahmad Jamal Al-Madhoun
102. Mohammad Abdel Khaleq Al-Af
103. Mohammad Younis Al-Zaitounia
104. Mohammad Khair Al-Din
105. Ahmad Khair Al-Din
106. Jaber Abu Hadrous
107. Akram Al-Shafei
108. Hamza Wael Al-Dahdouh
109. Mustafa Thraya
110. Ali Salem Abu Ajwa
111. Abdullah Iyad Breis
112. Ahmad Bdeir
113. Heba Al-Abadla
114. Sherif Okasha
115. Fouad Abu Khamash
Posted by: MD | Jan 11 2024 17:31 utc | 63
Posted by: Arch Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 54
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So, you consider ALL Palestinians in Gaza to be Hamas, even infants and children. Therefore, all Palestinians in Gaza can be "massacred" with impunity. What sewer did you crawl out of?
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 17:31 utc | 64
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:10 utc | 53
yes! to every word, and i should have thanked you and said weeks ago that when talking to the unaware i always bring up your point about how if it weren't for one unworkable political process after another being substituted for simply enforcing clear international law, Palestine would have been freed from brutal occupation decades ago.
thank you (better late than never)
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jan 11 2024 17:35 utc | 65
Posted by: Bungholer | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 54
Hey Bunghole, was that FAFO bridge the one where Israeli barbarians killed a bunch of their own and blamed it on Hamas and has been lying about everything else ever since so they can give "Hamas" a "lesson"?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 17:35 utc | 66
Israelis being cunts
Posted by: ld | Jan 11 2024 16:54 utc | 45
Redundancy
Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 11 2024 17:41 utc | 67
I'm not an international lawyer [you can say that again, editor] but I argue that the United States is a accomplice to genocide.
As Ed outlined how WW2 POW camps and escaping (BTW not a bad analogy, Ed) from Gaza are analogous, I will attempt to use that idea to put this ICJ issue in into colloquial themes.
If a man was given a gun by a friend and then murdered someone is the friend who gave the gun to his buddy guilty of 'accomplice' to murder? Well if the original gun owner didn't know that his buddy was going to kill somebody he would probably skate on that charge.
But if the murdering buddy after shooting the first person then asked the friend for another gun, friend now knows what the killer is going to do with that gun so if he gives him another gun the gun supplier would be complicit.
That's why Russia or some other Sovereign should find a legal avenue to force the US to be accountable. That legal avenue probably couldn't happen until Israel is ruled against first.
Someone please comment on my awkward [that description is charitable, editor]idea or how it could work in international law?
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:10 utc | 53The problem: Israel has never been held accountable to the law. Otherwise we would not be at this stage.
This so-called 'international law' has never had the authority to enforce its Judgments with executable Orders. We have a Senior and Junior Soviet (committee) at the United Nations which has been advisory and compromised since its founding. In theory the Security Council can enforce using military joint forces but in practice they usually disagree on anything geopolitically serious (like Ukraine and Gaza) so nothing there. The General Assembly has no executive authority whatsoever by design. Indeed, the initial founding of Israel by the U.N. was from a non-binding Resolution not agreed to by Palestinians or Arab nations.
Israel is an unlawful state. Whether or not it has 'the right to exist' it does not have that right based on any UN Resolution in the 1940's or subsequent. Only a formal Agreement signed by authorized representatives of Palestinians and Israelis can create a Law between the Parties. No such Law has been made. Not to mention that to date neither Israel nor Palestine is a legal State.
There seems to be almost no concerted movement to remedy this. Just more waffle and BS by our world leaders on all sides although the concerted resistance to the interlopers by Regional Powers and their Allies is a welcome develoment.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 11 2024 17:29 utc | 60
Your analysis is correct Mr Gruff.
But if the ICJ fails to recognise the war crimes carried out by Israel this potentially puts all of us civilians ‘under the rubble of our own homes’. If there are no rules in war, or if there are no rules at all, then any of us and all of us can be attacked in the same way that Israel has massacred civilians in Gaza.
The International Court of Justice can’t allow this monstrous precedent to be set.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jan 11 2024 17:47 utc | 70
Posted by: JB | Jan 11 2024 16:53 utc | 44
I cannot overstate how many "social media" UIDs that I've encountered "emanating" from the most ignorant, litigious nation on PLANET who cannot differentiate between lawful and unlawful, legal and illegal conduct; and are SURPRISED by court opinions and syllabuses, which they do read, preferring instead to count votes of jurists "along political lines".
Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 11 2024 17:49 utc | 71
On Tuesday, Mr. Blinken said that the "daily toll on civilians in Gaza, particularly children, is far too high."
Did anyone ask him what the appropriate daily toll of murdering Palestineans (in Gaza and the West Bank) was?
Posted by: naiverealist | Jan 11 2024 17:51 utc | 72
Posted by: MD | Jan 11 2024 17:31 utc | 62
Thank you for this....the horror is that this already out of date.
Two more killed today. 117. (plus the Reuters journalist in Lebanon Oct 13)
Muhammad Jamal Thalathini
Fuad Abu Khammash who was accompanying a Red Crescent ambulance. Today 6 Red Crescent paramedics and drivers were killed.
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:51 utc | 73
"Only a formal Agreement signed by authorized representatives of Palestinians and Israelis can create a Law between the Parties. No such Law has been made. Not to mention that to date neither Israel nor Palestine is a legal State."
Hmm, I might be wrong. Maybe the Oslo Accords created a Law between the Parties, in which case the separation of West Bank and Gaza has been agreed to. Probably there are conditional clauses throughout the document, but I don't know. The Palestinians might have unwittingly agreed to Israel's territorial claims and recognized its Statehood without creating its own. (Obviously, the whole thing is an unholy mess as events continually evidence.)
As long as Israel has its American attack dog, Israel has nothing to fear from the ICJ.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Jan 11 2024 17:53 utc | 75
The only way Palestinians get their land and rights restored is forcible reoccupation and subjugation of Israel. Who will initiate a R2P and invade to assist?
We'll see.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 11 2024 15:06 utc | 12
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I agree. The bottom line in this "conflict":
Who is the true owner of the land?
After all, Americans, and especially Jews, are obsessed with real estate. A lot of Jewish families made their fortunes in shady real estate deals that involved "legalized" theft (Pritzkers, for starters, who managed to get their claws on billions of $$$ worth of real estate and other property of interred Japanese and German Americans with the help of the lawyer David Bazalon).
So, these s-y-t-rs know exactly what the deal was and is with Israel's claims to ownership of Palestine, in whole or in part. The whole thing can be viewed through the lens of a shady real estate deal.
In our state's law (and perhaps others') is a concept called "adverse possession."
If a person uses/occupies another's land or a portion of, say, an abutting lot for a minimum of twenty years, and the true owner is not aware of this use, the false owner can claim ownership under law, in land court. It is a hard claim to prove, as there are five conditions to make a claim stick.
The most important one is that the true owner did not know that the land was his! And the false owner must prove that he used the land the whole time (possibly alleging that he, too, didn't know that land didn't belong to him).
I am not a lawyer, but someone tried this stunt on me (they failed), so I have a rudimentary grasp of the issue, and the logic behind it.
From a title point of view, Israel has no right to any of the land in Palestine---other than what individual Jews purchased from Palestinians and to which they hold title and a chain of title can be shown. The UN had no right to hand over any Palestinian land to anyone, whether individuals or a self-proclaimed state.
From the "adverse possession" POV, it seems to me to fundamental that Palestine has never acknowledged Israel's "right to exist" That would be tantamount to vacating a claim to one's own property. The Palestinians have consistently maintained their true ownership of their property. They never allowed Israel to claim a right of use.
The State of Israel has known perfectly well from the get-go that they have no right to lands either given to them by the UN or stolen by them from individual Palestinians or Pal communities.
The Palestinians have never given up their claims to their land, right?
So, regardless of how the current legal battle turns out, maybe the next legal attack should focus not only on the illegal occupation and lack of title to any lands taken from Palestinians in the West Bank, but the (legally much narrower) issue of Israel's flimsy right as a state or of any Zionist newcomer citizens to own anything at all in Historic Palestine unless they can show a valid deed and chain of title from a Palestinian seller.
Posted by: Jane | Jan 11 2024 17:54 utc | 76
The ramifications of the Likud ignoring a ICJ provisional order are enormous. Some possibilities:
1) Kicked out of many international Cultural and Sports plus scientific events ( Eurovision ? Etc)
2) Arrest Warrants for Likud and IDF leadership issued by BRICs ( ignored by Washington and vassals )
3) various levels of economic sanctions imposed by many BRICs members
4) any Israeli would have a hard time getting a visa to travel into 87% of the world because he/she would have to establish they weren’t ever in the IDF
5) finally, although unlikely it’s entirely possible that the General Assembly votes to kick Israel
Out of the UN.
6) plus all sorts of 2nd and 3rd order effects
These ramifications are so significant that I believe the Likud and Washington will do everything to kill the case tomorrow arguing that the case has no jurisdiction or some such twaddle
Therefore
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 18:01 utc | 77
josip | Jan 11 2024 16:58 utc | 48 ....
Does that flowery aspartame description condense down into something
akin to "slimy devious moral void well versed in semantics"?
Posted by: Cynic | Jan 11 2024 18:02 utc | 78
…. Pritzkers, for starters, who managed to get their claws on billions of $$$ worth of real estate and other property of interred Japanese and German Americans with the help of the lawyer David Bazalon…..
Jane - tell us more , of this
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 18:06 utc | 79
1. Only states can be signatories to the convention. More specifically all UN member states. The ICJ is a UN court, it arbitrates and has jurisprudence between states only.
As with most/all international conventions and treaties signatory states are responsible for following what they have previously agreed to do and for applying it to their citizens. Israel is a signatory to the genocide convention. One of several other arguments raised by South Africa is that Israel has not lived up to its responsibilities in this regard (as it has likewise not lived up to many other responsibilities).
The overall structure with delegation is entirely uncontroversial and ordinary.
2. "Ethnic cleansing" is afaik simply plain english and as it says is the act of deliberate/intentional cleansing (removing) according to one or several ethnicities. If I understand it correctly a legal definition is surplus since any validity is decided solely upon established fact ie. a clear drop in the presence or existence of one or several ethnicities in an area. And again afaik it is not a controversial term or construct. Targeting a specific ethnicity in whole or part falls directly under the definitions of genocide.
I'm not a lawyer or anything like it and can easily be wrong about this but the above points are my understanding of these specific items.
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Malcolm Shaw might have been seated second to the right when looking at the Israeli side from the front starting from the left. If so ,if that was the person, then he was in view many times during the video.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 11 2024 18:07 utc | 80
South Africa in court today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufbfFTi38A
Posted by: g wiltek | Jan 11 2024 18:10 utc | 81
Canuck,
What you are searching for is known as either the Yamashita Standard or Command Responsibilty. This international legal standard holds civilian and military leadership accountable for war crimes of their subordinates if the leaders did not forcefully act to prevent war crimes
even distantly connected subordinates that are not in the leaders chain of command can cause a leader to be found guilty under the Yamashita Standard.
Blinken could be held accountable for IDF war crimes because he keeps sending weapons.
Posted by: Exile | Jan 11 2024 18:15 utc | 82
Hence, in my opinion, the ICJ and the West lose credibility whatever the ruling.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 16:40 utc | 40
This, exactly. It's the classic "Have you stopped beating your wife?" asked of a known wife beater. The Resistance keeps finding one cleft stick after another to catch the west in.
Now, btw, it becomes obvious that Russia's careful attempts to minimize civilian casualties have a wider practical value than mere virtue signaling.
Posted by: Honzo | Jan 11 2024 18:16 utc | 83
Posted by: Pq | Jan 11 2024 17:16 utc | 56
Thanks!
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 11 2024 17:29 utc | 60
Agree! The global south already knows and the train is leaving. If this sh1tshow doesn't open the eyes of the people in the old west then it's good luck and bye bye.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 17:35 utc | 65
Poke it where it hurts! Well done.
Posted by: canuck | Jan 11 2024 17:44 utc | 67
They know. They cannot claim otherwise. They INCREASED support and sent ground troops. The question isn't if they are accomplices, that is clear. The question is what is the world going to do about it?
Unfortunately, at this very juncture, not a whole lot.
Posted by: A.L. | Jan 11 2024 18:17 utc | 84
The Israeli reply will be short and sweet:
PALESTINE IS AMALEK!
READ YOUR BIBLE!
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 18:18 utc | 85
The British/US settler-colonial project called Israel does not make concessions. It only knows one language: Extreme violence against any and all that stand in its path and in the way of everlasting expansion. Just like the Aryan Race of old, these are self-proclaimed 'chosen' people, making everybody else less-that-worthy and thus ok to kill or displace. It is that simple. This needs to be stopped else it will eventually show up at our doorsteps. If you live in the US, it already has effectively taken over your government's foreign policy, making clown-figure Blinken effectively Israel's foreign minister.
Posted by: NewJerseyJoe | Jan 11 2024 18:19 utc | 86
Has the U.S.A. government or Israel ever thought about how much it is going to cost for making war reparations to the Palestinian people? That is an eventuality that will happen in one way or another. And the more they kill, and maim, the more housing, and city infrastructure they destroy the more the costs will be. As I see it, with every passing day where their aggression grinds on the U.S.A. and Israel are just making coffins for themselves.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jan 11 2024 18:19 utc | 87
Question for the non-conspiratorial members at MoA: Will an attack in the US by Hezbollah help Israel escape responsibility for genocide? Eill it help Biden win the 2024 election.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 16:47 utc | 43
Ed, I don’t know if I’m non-conspiratorial enough to answer the question, but here is a crack at it.
You’ve heard of mass-shooting occurring in US dozens of times per year, no?
Any one of those attacks can be attributed to just about anybody (those behind the scene that is — never a lone gunman theory). If it is deemed that it will help genocide Joe get re-(s)elected, then it will be so. No one can say, but wait…
As for the escape for responsibility for genocide, NO. That horse is already out of the barn. One way or another it has to be dealt with. Not even wider a war will stop the proceedings.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 11 2024 18:20 utc | 88
Bidet and NuttyYahoo regimes to the judges of the ICJ: "We know where your kids live."
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:20 utc | 89
Posted by: robinthehood | Jan 11 2024 17:17 utc | 57
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I heard (read) you mumbling something about God is great, but I didn't understand the point of your comment. Oh well, it was OT anyway.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 18:20 utc | 90
Biden win the 2024 election? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. He might win the SElection though.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:21 utc | 91
Posted by: Bungholed by Arch | Jan 11 2024 17:12 utc | 54
And as such, a massacre of that nature is still a crime against humanity.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:25 utc | 93
Posted by: MD | Jan 11 2024 17:31 utc | 62
The Zionist genociders are claiming that multiple journalists are also "terrorists."
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781666
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 11 2024 18:26 utc | 94
The Israeli reply will be short and sweet:
PALESTINE IS AMALEK!
READ YOUR BIBLE!
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jan 11 2024 18:18 utc | 84
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I read it, and I wasn't impressed. The truth is, that part of the Bible is fiction, not history, written hundreds of years after the alleged events. Netanyahu knows this but he is rallying the ignorant members of his tribe.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 18:29 utc | 95
Israel, in Klingon garb: “We have the right to preserve our race!”
South Africa, in Vulcan garb: “Do you have the right to commit murder?”
Posted by: Dalit | Jan 11 2024 18:35 utc | 96
As for the escape for responsibility for genocide, NO. That horse is already out of the barn. One way or another it has to be dealt with. Not even wider a war will stop the proceedings.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 11 2024 18:20 utc | 87
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You make good points Bagoom, but I think that an all-out war with Iran and Hezbollah will refocus international attention away from the ICJ proceedings regardless of the outcome: Such a war will provide Genocide Joe and Amalek Nuttyahoo cover to finish of Gaza.
Posted by: Ed | Jan 11 2024 18:38 utc | 97
Dalit | Jan 11 2024 18:35 utc | 95--
Unlike Klingons, Zionists/Israelis cannot claim to be a separate race; ethnicity yes, race no.
@karlof1 #97
Not even jews are a separate ethnicity unless you are using the term semite, in which case that refers to any member of same and that includes most arabs/all Palestinians. Persians (Iran) on the other hand are not semites.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 11 2024 18:48 utc | 99
....and by that logic, it makes nuttyahoo and zionists the most anti-semitic people on Earth.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Jan 11 2024 18:49 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Yes, ethnic cleansing is a war crime and crime against humanity.
"We'd like to see, and we've talked about this in government meetings, by the way. There aren't any countries that want to take them [Gazans], even if we pay a lot of money. We should encourage voluntary migration, and we should compel them until they say they want it. The war does that.
Karhi, Shlomo 14 hours ago (01/10/2024) Minister of Communications
" The Gaza problem is not just our problem. The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.
Gamliel, Gila 1 week ago (01/02/2024) Intelligence Minister
" We will do what is good for the State of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow the residents of the Gaza Envelope to return home and live in security and protect the IDF soldiers.
Ben-Gvir, Itamar 1 week ago (01/02/2024) Minister of National Security of Israel
" We must promote the solution to encourage the migration of Gaza residents. This is a correct, just, moral and humane solution. We have partners around the world that we can help. Encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza will allow us to bring home the residents of the Outaf and the residents of Gush Katif.
Ben-Gvir, Itamar 1 week ago (01/01/2024) Minister of National Security of Israel
" If we make sure that they will have many dead and that 400k refugees flee through the Rafah crossing, there will be no fear of mass slaughter among our soldiers [...] the IDF is acting now, which pushes the residents [...] into the cities. The immigration gates to Egypt and the sea should be opened. Allow people to go out and make it clear: whoever chooses to go out, has gone out.
Halevi, Amit MK
--- 1938 ---
"When the Stürmer suggested some years ago that a way to solve the Jewish Question would be to transport the Jews to the French colony of Madagascar, Jews and their lackeys mocked the idea and declared it inhumane. But today our proposal is being discussed by foreign statesmen. The press reports that French Foreign Minister Delbos discussed the matter in Warsaw, where the Polish people are also oppressed by the Jewish Question. According to the reports, the discussion considered the possibility of transporting a part of the surplus Jewish population from Poland to Madagascar."
The source, 1938: (Infamous Nazi) Julius Streicher, “Madagascar,” Der Stürmer,#1/1938.
Julius Streicher, executed at Nuremberg.
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