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January 31, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-036
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Also it’s worth pointing out that according to Gore Vidal, Truman was paid 2 million in cash for his services at the UN. A week later he had second thoughts and tried to have the decision reversed. Posted by: liveload | Jan 31 2024 23:48 utc | 101 Ring any bells? Posted by: Ed | Jan 31 2024 23:51 utc | 102 News of US embassy in Iraq evacuating. Could just precautionary move against retaliation or 1st steps towards withdrawal. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 31 2024 23:55 utc | 103 “The United States is allegedly considering recognizing Palestine as an independent country.” Posted by: malenkov | Jan 31 2024 23:58 utc | 104 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/there-is-a-seismic-shift-in-the-muslim-american-community/ar-BB1hr5z0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c03a9e1fe23241af9abf2dce3bd6f855&ei=20 Posted by: Share | Feb 1 2024 0:02 utc | 105 A picture paints a thousand words. Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 1 2024 0:08 utc | 106 by malenkov | Jan 31 2024 23:58 utc | 104 Posted by: whirlX | Feb 1 2024 0:12 utc | 107 The history of Vladimir Jabotinsky disagrees with the statement about the USSR not knowing. If I recall correctly, the USSR had to be forced to stop occupying Iran in 1949. The UK had already withdrawn by that point. Posted by: Ed | Feb 1 2024 0:16 utc | 108 Anyone with a heart and a conscience needs to flee these two parties ASAP and start a new one; the world can’t survive two genocide war Parties in the US at one time. Posted by: Organic | Feb 1 2024 0:16 utc | 109 I also read this, unconfirmed: Posted by: Ed | Feb 1 2024 0:34 utc | 110 @ DuchessAndBob @ 75: Posted by: Teri | Feb 1 2024 0:35 utc | 111 I know MoA is full of bloodthirsty armchair warriors, the Groanin Dunces and Bungling Archers of this world shouting for regime change faraway. They want to watch the fireworks as the gleaming towers of the Gulf burn. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 0:37 utc | 112 I suspect we haven’t reached the level of disgust and revulsion with our current corrupt regimes for a truly grass roots alternative to emerge. In Oz a few have tried, one group called the citizen’s party runs regular YouTube hour long discussions, too long for the modern attention span, and drawing miniscule numbers, credit to them for trying. Posted by: Ed | Feb 1 2024 0:47 utc | 113 I’m just devastated. Aghast. Appalled. Damn Biden and Netanyahu to the pits of hell. Posted by: Ed | Feb 1 2024 1:00 utc | 114 Ed | Feb 1 2024 0:34 utc | 110 …. Posted by: Cynic | Feb 1 2024 1:10 utc | 115 The IDF Rfid chip story is not far fetched. It’s a tale fact from a decade or so ago. There were kidnappings of soldiers and it was seen as a way to negate that. 2011 articles such as this quote Posted by: Hankster | Feb 1 2024 1:21 utc | 116 Trita Parsi reposted Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 1:33 utc | 117 Russia, China, Iran, Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah. Don’t take the bait. Keep intelligently doing what you’re doing. Slowly attrit Ukraine. Slowly attrit Israel. Respond only incrementally to the outrageous war crimes that Israel and Israel’s controlled United States are committing against you. Posted by: RLTW | Feb 1 2024 1:40 utc | 118 UNRWA Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 1:42 utc | 119 Yanis Varoufakis Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 1:47 utc | 120 World of Statistics Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 1:51 utc | 121 I’ve been thinking about this “drone strike on Tower 22”, and I suspect that the confusion coming from Washington is well-founded. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 1 2024 1:53 utc | 122 In short, defunding UNRWA is part of Israel’s ethnic cleansing plan. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 2:05 utc | 123 “If he doesn’t, then he’s just a provocateur and the best thing we can do is ignore him.” Only reason the USA would do so would be in order to formally declare war against it, but the USA no longer bothers with war declarations. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 2:27 utc | 125 PQ @85 Posted by: Trumpeter | Feb 1 2024 2:31 utc | 126 Wolfgang Streeck, in a recent interview linked with here recently, wondered aloud where the IDF’s POW camps were? Posted by: bevin | Feb 1 2024 2:33 utc | 127 DON’T DO THIS, BIDEN, BECAUSE IT’S A TRAP. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 2:36 utc | 128 Posted by: Jane | Jan 31 2024 18:55 utc | 33 Posted by: Jane | Feb 1 2024 2:40 utc | 129 DON’T DO THIS, BIDEN, BECAUSE IT’S A TRAP. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 2:41 utc | 130 Positioning US Nukes in all 3 Baltic states Moldova and Finland ….. icing on the top! Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 2:43 utc | 131 The US Navy gate crashing the Black Sea through the Bosporus Absolutely Fabulous! Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 2:44 utc | 132 https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-fails-to-destroy-hamas-tunnels-report Posted by: Jane | Feb 1 2024 2:49 utc | 133 Re 80, chips in hands, Posted by: Jane | Feb 1 2024 2:57 utc | 134 Posted by: Ed | Feb 1 2024 1:00 utc | 114 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 1 2024 3:06 utc | 135 100 and 110 Posted by: Jane | Feb 1 2024 3:14 utc | 136 I’ve been thinking about how to put this question, so as not step on any sensitivities. Alas… Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 1 2024 3:37 utc | 137 Jane @133 Posted by: AJ | Feb 1 2024 3:43 utc | 138 Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 1 2024 0:08 utc | 106
Did you actually watch the video? Posted by: Pacific Observer | Feb 1 2024 3:48 utc | 139 The ‘other’ — Lebanese, Palestinians, Iranians, etc, well, you know, the ‘other.’ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 4:00 utc | 140 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 1 2024 4:06 utc | 141 PQ @85 @ Trumpeter | Feb 1 2024 2:31 utc | 126 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 4:07 utc | 142 …. I myself have wondered why Hamas doesn’t build tunnels under the wall, to emerge in Israel proper.….. Posted by: Exile | Feb 1 2024 4:10 utc | 144 Did everyone forget to put on their skeptic’s hats today? RFD chips cannot be detected from more than a few inches away from the detector. Unlike chips in cell phones, which utilize the phone battery to power a signal that can be detected from hundreds or thousands of meters away, implanted chips are not intrinsically powered. Anyone who has worked in a modern RFID controlled access building has experienced this truth. [The battery is in the reading device, not the RFD containing card.] Even if Hamas did remove the chips (yeah, sure, they had plenty of time to do this—buy my bridge), the IDF would have to be mere feet away to detect them Posted by: mjh | Feb 1 2024 4:10 utc | 145 @129 Lavrov’s Dog I cannot agree. The Thing we should ll wish for is that the USA gets decked by a deft judo throw, not that it lose a 15-round bare-knuckle boxing match. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Feb 1 2024 4:16 utc | 146 Posted by: Jane | Feb 1 2024 2:49 utc | 132 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 4:17 utc | 147 He’ll be stuck in an impossible position of his own making, simply because he knee-jerked his reaction to this attack. Posted by: largolaw | Feb 1 2024 4:42 utc | 148 The Thing we should ll wish for is that the USA gets decked by a deft judo throw, not that it lose a 15-round bare-knuckle boxing match. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 4:44 utc | 149 https://twitter.com/decensorednews/status/1752825048845480109 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2024 5:10 utc | 150 Posted by: turd | Jan 31 2024 19:03 utc | 38 Posted by: turd | Feb 1 2024 5:20 utc | 151 Another way to put it might be, if you think Russia, China, or some other country would be better than the US, what would the reason for that be? do you think a different race of people would act in a more ethical way or something? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2024 5:29 utc | 152 RE: flooding tunnels Posted by: luther7718 | Feb 1 2024 5:41 utc | 153 I am considering to start any conversation with anyone, with the question – “are you for or against the ceasefire in Gaza?” Posted by: fanto | Feb 1 2024 5:51 utc | 154 Chris Hedges has a new article out. In it he quotes a University Professor‘s statement:
This simply can not be true. Does anyone have background on this episode ? Link to article Posted by: Exile | Feb 1 2024 6:06 utc | 155 I enlisted in Infantry in 1989. There were some standards still back then. Just a little. Then Clinton was elected. Ashamed to say I voted for him as a 2LT out of OCS. But the alternative wouldn’t have been any different. We all understand that now. Posted by: RLTW | Feb 1 2024 6:10 utc | 156 Positioning US Nukes in all 3 Baltic states Moldova and Finland ….. icing on the top! Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 1 2024 6:18 utc | 157 While I would prefer the “deft judo throw” you speak of, it is not something I have seen concretised in the current reality. Posted by: Honzo | Feb 1 2024 6:23 utc | 158 Yemen Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 1 2024 6:26 utc | 159 Why would it be any different? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 6:30 utc | 160 What I think BRICS+ is trying to do is outmanoeuvre the neocons so that they are EJECTED from the Middle East. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Feb 1 2024 6:42 utc | 161 Average Israeli IQ is 93. Might be a partial explaination why the IDF is performinb so poorly. Posted by: Exile | Feb 1 2024 6:43 utc | 162 A different culture. The west is still stuck in the 500 year plus Westphalia or Holy Roman Empire culture. Russia and China plus many non west nations have moved forward with time rather than stuck in the past and relize the world of empires is a relic of the past. Posted by: turd | Feb 1 2024 6:46 utc | 163 Saul Staniforth Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 6:46 utc | 164 Yemen
Ansarallah claims both ships were hit. USS Gravely claims they missed. MV Koi (Kol?) is silent on the matter (probably too busy bleeding out). Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 6:49 utc | 165 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 1 2024 6:49 utc | 166 Post Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 6:49 utc | 167 Good news, Arch! Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso have thrown off the imperial yoke with deft judo throws! Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 7:00 utc | 168 Saul Staniforth Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 7:10 utc | 169 Apropros of very little, I happened to be looking at the CIApedia page for Yahya Sinwar. And naturally it did seem largely useless in terms of actual information (although I did find what I was looking for–Sinwar was born in 1962 in Gaza, his family had been expelled from Al-Majdal Asqalan (Ashkelon) in 1948 by Zionist terrorists). Anyway, I happened to look at the list of references at the bottom of the page. A real laugh. Here is the summary of sources: Posted by: tawharanui | Feb 1 2024 7:31 utc | 170 here we go again, another f*cking war under Biden & the Democrat knuckleheads in DC Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 7:32 utc | 171 If Iran-backed Iran is attacked directly by the West’s obedient jew$lave$, Greater Israel will probably become known as Grated Israel… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 1 2024 7:35 utc | 172 Iran, Russia. Soak up the impending strikes. Designed to provoke you. You are great enough and good enough to do this. Posted by: RLTW | Feb 1 2024 7:37 utc | 173 Pelham Posted by: Menz | Feb 1 2024 7:44 utc | 174 RLTW, Posted by: Exile | Feb 1 2024 7:49 utc | 175 “Is there a path forward to more productive global human cooperation? If someone says “yes and the answer is the US needs to pull out of every country that it’s in” then it’s going to be hard to believe some other empire wouldn’t just do the same thing, is the point. Posted by: Gene Poole | Feb 1 2024 8:01 utc | 176 There was a lot more so stay tuned, something is cooking, and it does not bold well for the Palestinian people or their sovereignty. Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 1 2024 8:15 utc | 177 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 6:49 utc | 163 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 1 2024 8:25 utc | 178 turd | Feb 1 2024 6:46 utc | 161 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2024 8:35 utc | 179 109 Organic. You have to start somewhere to end uniparty rule. It would be terrible mistake to vote for a Dem or repub pres considering all that’s happening, the genocide, etc. Vote Jill Stein, truly opposed to genocide. Americans must start there So, we can all see how that works! Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 8:58 utc | 181 Posted by: pq | Jan 31 2024 22:59 utc | 85 Posted by: stranger | Feb 1 2024 9:02 utc | 182 Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 1 2024 7:35 utc | 170 Turd @ all the above. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 1 2024 9:27 utc | 184 See Mahmood_OD’s utube of Jan. 31 “WHAT?! Netanyahu DECLARES VICTORY! | Israeli Gov: “PREPARE FOR BLACKOUT” | AQB ROAST Merkavas!” He says Netanyahoo about to dump the far right, make the prisoner-exchange, ceasefire deal with Hamas (earlier-mentioned in previous thread) which would cause the far right to leave the gov’t. Then Netanyahoo can shed the right and appoint Justice Minister Yariv Lavin, take a different direction and save his political rearend. Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 1 2024 9:31 utc | 183 Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 1 2024 9:40 utc | 186 Posted by: Trumpeter | Feb 1 2024 2:31 utc | 126 Posted by: pq | Feb 1 2024 9:47 utc | 187 US President Joe Biden is homing in on a new doctrine involving an unprecedented push to immediately advance the creation of a demilitarised but viable Palestinian state, The New York Times’ Thomas Friedman says.
More BS jam tomorrow crap that leaves them isolated, defenseless and at the whim of the violent nazi psychos next door. Posted by: Vortex | Feb 1 2024 9:48 utc | 188 183 Lavieja. Point is, it may be a gain for the Palestinians, imo, depending on what Hamas can get from Israel (if anything without too much risk) in the deal being negotiated currently. Yeah Right @ all the above. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 1 2024 9:56 utc | 190 So today the sorry tale of genocide continues . Settlers attack truck drivers to prevent aid trucks at the only israeli crossing that is allowed . Israel’s Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza goes against the goals of the Israeli war. Posted by: Hankster | Feb 1 2024 10:07 utc | 191 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jan 31 2024 23:42 utc | 99 Posted by: pq | Feb 1 2024 10:11 utc | 192 Posted by: pq | Feb 1 2024 10:11 utc | 189 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 10:17 utc | 193 It is time to create not a notion , but a fact , that the Zionist is a inseparable delusion , and , caryatid of the lust of Fascism . Period ! Inseparable, lock step , binary , molten in the disregard of society . This is not a war against the ‘collective ‘ , although Likud sacrifices even a ‘fellow Jew , that doesn’t swallow the narrative ! Trolls – idiots fools …. unite ! Next time a psychopath decides to shoot up a school , can someone direct ‘them ‘ to instead make a real statement . And kill those that really made this happen ! If it is ok to shoot / kill people in the sanctuary of a hospital , well that all ‘rules off , isn’t it ‘ . Time for aggrieved persons to take ‘Humanity back ‘ ! Time to act as Individuals ! Tell them what will really happen in the END GAME , being played ! Revolution time ! They won’t let you start the big war … because , THEY STOPPED BELIEVING YOU ! Peace or a life waiting for REVENGE ! Ei Mani ! Min to Eipno fas ! Posted by: Paleologos | Feb 1 2024 10:27 utc | 194 184 Jonathan. Similarly to Us Biden pushing the Ukraine war for domestic political reasons of covering up for his and Dems collosal corruption and manipulation of Ukraine govt. Nutyahoo has pushed the genocide on the Palestinians to save himself from imprisonment in Israel. So he teams up with the lunatic serial murdering far right. But because of the Palestinian Resistance, the situation begins to turn against him, so he shape changes and goes with the Justice movement he earlier on kicked out of power and discards all his former goals (destroying Hamas, taking over Gaza etc., no negotiating with Hamas and seeks now for negotiation (from weakness). So let’s see what he’s willing to give. The far right has said they’ll leave the govt. If the deal in the works goes through, so Net.can ditch them and bring on the govt. faction he opposed earlier which will be supported because the war on Gaza not going well as planned and the successes Net. advertised not happening. And all this, imo, getting better for Free Palestine. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 10:17 utc | 190 Posted by: pq | Feb 1 2024 10:31 utc | 196 Posted by: stranger | Feb 1 2024 9:02 utc | 180 Posted by: pq | Feb 1 2024 10:46 utc | 197 181 Sonebird. Re. The farmers (Dutch and currently French out in force), Is it not true that US food corporations like subsidised Cargill have bought up the fertile land in Ukraine and are dominating the European market with their grains bankrupting the not so well govt – protected farmers. This was part of the reason the US wanted the Ukraine war in the same vein as their destruction of Nordstream pipeline clearing the way for US liquid gas to take over the European market. pq | Feb 1 2024 10:11 utc | 189 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 1 2024 10:53 utc | 199 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 1 2024 10:17 utc | 190 Posted by: stranger | Feb 1 2024 10:54 utc | 200 |
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