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January 28, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-033

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https://johnhelmer.org/the-tower-22-strike-in-jordan-triggers-us-israel-into-all-front-war-the-arabs-and-iran-are-ready-the-russians-too/
Helmer joins the dots on possible Iranian and Russian cooperation behind the successful attack on US base in Al-Tanf area.
It’s almost as if Trump and Biden never understood that murdering Suleimani and blowing up Nordstream would come with severe consequences…
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 29 2024 9:37 utc | 199
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Russia/China proxy war against U.S./NATO.

Posted by: Robert Italia | Jan 29 2024 9:48 utc | 201

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 29 2024 9:42 utc | 200
“Never man spake like this man.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 9:50 utc | 202

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 29 2024 9:42 utc | 200
“Never man spake like this man.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 9:50 utc | 203

@ Do any flies or fleas have predictions as to how the Western forces will respond to the Al Tanf outrage?
Any ideas of timrframe?
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 7:12 utc | 176
They will likely respond as they have before: ineffectively and for PR purposes. There will likely be a strong and well promoted series of strikes on the declared perpetrators of the attack and some high profile cruise missile strike at Damascus.
Either way, it will do nothing to address the underlying tensions, or the weaknesses being exploited by the attackers, ie, the fact these bases are de facto defenseless, and there are plenty to chose from.
Meanwhile, instead of Blinken desperately working diplomatically to cool off tensions, it will be Burnes and Sullivan desperately trying to works behind the scenes with bribes and threats, none of which will address or resolve the fundamental issues being fought over: US support for Israel, and its destabilizing games of whack a mole which every regional player is keen to end by their strategic cooperation with BRICS.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jan 29 2024 9:50 utc | 204

This presant situation, indicates why Putin has been so reluctent to throw his hat in the game, the west would have loved that and the implications.
As it stands, this situation is about to explode in both directions within the middle east and including Iran. Both sides will clash hard.
Within days.
I think Iran and Co will have the advantage.
I hope Telaivi gets hit hard, very hard.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 29 2024 9:51 utc | 205

https://t.me/beboandfriends/168896
A conference where knesset members attended was held in Israel where building development plans were shown for illegal settlements in Gaza. Going by the daily videos of genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel has no intentions of stopping and presenting anything to the court in 4 weeks.

Posted by: Hankster | Jan 29 2024 10:09 utc | 206

This was around the same time that the US was fomenting (more) Islamic fundamentalist terrorism on RF’s flanks, IIRC. At the very least they were pushing another color revolution or similar scenario in Georgia.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 28 2024 23:08 utc | 84
That’s so ironic. The US funds terorism against Russia and Russia thinks it must combat terrorism by allying with USA. The ICC puts out an arrest warrant for Putin and Putin calls Oct 7 a terrorist attack and compares Palestinian resistance to Ukronazis.
I said to a Russian friend of mine, Putin is such a European bootlicker that if given the chance to make peace with Europe he would say, oh yes, let’s forget about Nordstream and let bygones be bygones. My friend, who is a Putin supporter, laughed and agreed.
Putin has done a good job domestically, Russian are happy with him. On foreign policy for most of the 20+ years he’s been around he’s been no less of a satrap to Empire than any of the other West Asian “stooges” that MoA love to hate on. Russia has been forced unwillingly towards the “Asiatics”, towards BRICS etc. It does the minimum necessary to ally to combat sanctions etc.
I categorically reject the “Islamic fundamental” label. If you insist on using it, have the good sense to label every NATO act as “Christian fundamentalist terrorism”. Because
a) terrroism is criminal. People who commit terrorist acts are criminals whether they shout “give me your wallet” or “Haily Moses/Mary/Akabr/Ram” before killing someone.
b) apart from the terrorist acts which occurred in US EU whose narratives we can analyze for ourselves and which are clearly full of holes, what do you really know about “terrorism” in faraway places?
All we get are a few blurbs from MSM. Pro Russian indy media (there is no other kind) will simultaneously blame Empire and GCC countries.
Putin was a huge Islamophobe in the first decade of this century. For all his pretty word salad on Russia being a land of peace and harmony I do not believe he has changed. I remember the brutality of both Chechnya wars and the second was under him.
The US foments most of the trouble on Russia’s flanks, southern or western. But it’s more convenient to label the Western shitdisturbers as Banderites . Yet in Chechnya they get lumped in with a broader gepolitical strategy to demonize Islam.
There are too many different theories on Chechnya. None of us knows the truth. If you read Saker you will think it was all KSA funded Wahabi whatnot Takfiri something or the other.
According to Saker, there were “good” Chechens loyal to “good” Russia and “bad” Chechens loyal to “bad Islamists”.
I suspect the truth is extremely complex and messy. I don’t doubt that there were a lot of people tired of being treated liked second class citizens in Russia who genuinely wanted independence.
I’m so tired of self important analysis based on banal stereotypes.

Posted by: pq | Jan 29 2024 10:11 utc | 207

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 8:21 utc | 189
Thank you. Whatever and whenever it looks as if the whole dynamic will change as a response to this incident.
Actually I’m hoping it might be some sort of “water shed” that breaks the inaction by SAA and RF in regard to the illegal US bases in both Syria and Iraq.
I don’t think the US (and poodles) will go all in against Iran, but who knows what they plan. A full on attack on Iran would require a lot of naval and air power if it was to be credible, and I don’t think they have sufficient resources in the immediate area. Of course they might use US strategic bombers, but they would need to take out the Iranian AD complexes. I would guess that Iran has anticipated a variety of scenarios and are prepared – hope so anyhow.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 10:15 utc | 208

Thread on what US is trying to do now. They will strike Syria and they sent Kc-135 tankers from US to keep their aircraft stationed in the ME in the air for the duration of the strikes to prevent them being hit on the tarmac. Whether US has actually gamed it from start to finish remains to be seen.
They might have nothing left in the ME after all is said and done, and 2500 bodybags.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1751798452739285411

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 29 2024 10:16 utc | 209

That’s so ironic. The US funds terorism against Russia and Russia thinks it must combat terrorism by allying with USA. The ICC puts out an arrest warrant for Putin and Putin calls Oct 7 a terrorist attack and compares Palestinian resistance to Ukronazis.
Posted by: pq | Jan 29 2024 10:11 utc | 207
In the end white folks are all part of the same white boys club.
If you’re a shade off pink and brown of eye never ever think the white man is someone you can trust with your goats when he shows up on the front porch.
They’re all one bug clan when it’s time to come around stealing the brown man’s land.
That’s the lesson of the last two thousand years.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 10:27 utc | 210

That’s the lesson of the last two thousand years.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | January 29, 2024 at 10:27
And that goes for the Russians too.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 10:29 utc | 211

The destabilisation of Jordan works to the benefit of the Palestinian Resistance
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 3:37 utc | 138
Have you checked with them?
From here on, my comment is not directed at you but at anyone who advocates for destabilizing countries thousands of miles away.
Destabilization only benefits anyone if it collapses the corrupt base of Empire. Do people in Empire really want that? Do they understand the consequences?
Do Iraq and Libya look like flourishing havens of peace and prosperity where you personally would like to go and live? Or post “Arab Spring” Tunisia and Egypt? They got rid of Morsi and put in Sisi.
Do you understand how important stability (or at least knowing you have a backup if you’re off shitkicking by choice) is to one’s life?
On MoA there’s an unfortunate tendency to put everyone in boxes, based on cartoon caricatures.
Pretty much every Arab and Muslim leader (95% at least), by definition being Arab and Muslim must fall into one of the following non exclusive categories: repressive dictator, gutless stooge, corrupt, narcissist, windbag, Wahabist, terrorism-supporter.
Most Western leaders are also corrupt puppets but we can’t do anything about them without getting our asses kicked and our bank accounts shut down.
So let’s advocate for destabilizing OTHER places so we here at MoA don’t have to worry about disruptions to our food, shelter, internet. No we’ll get to sit here with coffee or G&T and have a huge choice of threads to blabber on about destabilization elsewhere.
I find it this attitude TERRIFYING. It’s the exact same logic as the yahoos in US congress advocating to attack Iran except that people here pick different targets.
Nobody gets to advocate for destabilizing Jordan, Venezuela, KSA or any country except the people there. Most of the “opposition” shit disturbers we get to hear about are funded by Empire and have offices in Washington DC or London.
Imagine that tomorrow all 7 million Palestinians who live in Israel said: we’re done with these genociders. We’re immigrating to the countries that most strongly support Israel and made our lives unliveable: US, UK, Fr, Germ, Ital, Can Aus etc.
I guarantee you all the xenophobes on this blog (and there a few who are extremely vocal) would crawl out and start shrieking about immigration). And that reflects on society at large.
I see that most sympathy for Muslims from Empire media and inhabitants is limited to when they are dead or being maimed, tortured, starved, bombed, homes vandalized or humiliated in other ways in large numbers.
If Arabs or Muslims or even Chinese strut around as equals to Western leaders and their countries are reasonably safe, stable and prosperous…we can’t have that! How dare they!!!
Before you write up your ad hominem attack on me, understand what I am saying.

I am not defending Jordan, GCC or anyone else.
I am a) trying, imperfectly, to see things from their perspective and b) accepting that most of the English info available comes from Empire allied writers whether in MSM, indy media, or English language Arab media. There are hundreds of Arabic talk shows and I have zero clue what kind of discussions occur.
There’s plenty of good spelling, good ideas, bad ideas, purple prose, excellent prose on this blog.
I see a huge deficit of modesty, humility, understanding the limits of one’s knowledge and how one’s own biases limit one’s perspective and ability to analzye things more sharply.

Posted by: pq | Jan 29 2024 10:31 utc | 212

pq 207
Takfiri means that the target of their violence will be Muslims who don’t work for Empire.
Takfir is a declaration that another Muslim is not a Muslim
Any imam that has been parasited by the Takfiri wasp can recite the Qur’an verses that call for jihad against the enemies of Islam , while intending to attack Muslims. It’s a pernicious strategy because it’s a version of Islam taught by the British in 1918 to the Muslim Brotherhood inciting Islam to attack Britain’s colonial opponents.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 29 2024 10:37 utc | 213

Barrel Brown | Jan 29 2024 10:15 utc | 208
Both Johnson and Macgregor are good in that that they have insights into US beltway thinking.
My current thought is that in the middle east, the US cannot retreat due to domestic pressures, if it stays, asymmetrical pressure by ‘non state actors’ will continually increase pressure and Iran is a war they cannot win. When US proxy armies one and two were destroyed, there was much talk in the beltway of going nuclear against Russia in Ukraine. That was the times Putin was giving warning against the west going nuclear.
With the large numbers of US bodybags that would result from a US attack on Iran, the calls to go nuclear would be far stronger than it was for Ukraine. Christian zionism give this a religious factor plus the non zionist Americans believe they must retain control over Persian Gulf energy at all costs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 10:38 utc | 214

Here’s a list of countries funding UNRWA.
You can expect countries in the Garden to defund it.
https://www.unrwa.org/how-you-can-help/government-partners/funding-trends

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 29 2024 10:39 utc | 215

@pq | Jan 29 2024 10:11 utc | 207

I said to a Russian friend of mine, Putin is such a European bootlicker that if given the chance to make peace with Europe he would say, oh yes, let’s forget about Nordstream and let bygones be bygones. My friend, who is a Putin supporter, laughed and agreed.

That was always obvious to whoever was not a complete moron. Putin is European. The core of Russia is in Europe. It is obvious that Russia needs a stable European continent and good relations with the other European countries to prosper. In the long run Putin’s aim is to bring continental Europe on his side. The best possible scenario for Russia is that of working as a balancing force between Asia and Europe.

Putin was a huge Islamophobe in the first decade of this century.

He was not an islamophobe, he knew his enemies:
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/sa/sa_jun00anv01.html
Also, the Islamist blockheads from Chechnya found refuge in Banderist Ukraine and fought (i.e. brutalized the local population) in Donbass:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-011933_EN.html
https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/chechens-ukraine-war/
etc.

Posted by: SG | Jan 29 2024 10:42 utc | 216

Posted by: pq | Jan 29 2024 10:11 utc | 207
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 29 2024 10:27 utc | 210
Publicly Both Russia and China do not recognize groups that are not recognized by the UN. Non publicly it is a different matter. Hamas stating publicly very early on that they trust Russia is a very good clue to that.
The there is Ansar Allah publicly stating they dont hold SA accountable for US actions. Those sort of things are not just hints, they are strong evidence of a very connected underworld so to speak that involves both states and non state actors all with a common enemy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 10:54 utc | 217

Takfiri means that the target of their violence will be Muslims who don’t work for Empire.
Posted by: Giyane | Jan 29 2024 10:37 utc | 213
Thanks. I have no idea takfiri means.
1. According to Ministry of Truth (wikipedia): Takfir: a Muslim who excommunicates one of his/her coreligionists, i.e. who accuses another Muslim of being an apostate
2. On the other hand, Wahabi, according to the garbled gobbledygook on Min of Truth tells me that “in 2018 MbS denied that anyone “can define this Wahhabism” or even that it exists”.
If Ministry of Truth tells me MbS himself is confused, how should I know anything?
My point is if you simultaneously claim to be:
1. pro justice for Palestinians, against bombing of West Asia and Africa and anywhere that ISIS, ISIL, Daesh, Wahabist, Tafkirs, Boko Haram etc. popup
AND
2. believe in your heart that one religion or language group on this plaent is likely than others to randomly explode in terroristic fashion….
you are trying to make two magnets stick by using the wrong ends.
The entire Zionist enterprise (along with Greater Israel of Iraq, Kuwait, KSA, Lebanon, Syria and no Iran) rests on the narrative that Zionists are peaceloving victims while their neighbours are mad nutjobs.
See for example this classic example of cognitive dissonance Posted by: SG | Jan 29 2024 10:42 utc | 216
“Also, the Islamist blockheads from Chechnya found refuge in Banderist Ukraine and fought (i.e. brutalized the local population) in Donbass”
SG manages to forget all the other “Christian” blockheads fighting against Russia and pulls out a quote from Matteo Salvini, a xenophobic demagogue, in the European Parliament no less to prove their point. While forgetting all the Chechens who defeated Azov while participating in some of the most brutal fighting.
smh

Posted by: pq | Jan 29 2024 11:04 utc | 218

pq | Jan 29 2024 10:31 utc | 212
Way too sensible. If only ….

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Jan 29 2024 11:05 utc | 219

Re the possibility of US attacking Iran. The recent Iran Russia agreement most likely includes military technology transfer is a another factor in that US would be looking at striking before Iran could produce and deploy Russian tech in addition to its own.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 29 2024 11:10 utc | 220

“If they were Khazars, the title, the “Eternal People” did not apply to them. They would be, in fact, another usurping ethnic conglomerate, falsely claiming to be “Jews” and willing to kill to illegally possess the rightful ancestral lands of the Palestinians. Other books followed, most notably Kevin Brooks’ 1999, The Jews of Khazaria. But these many scholarly books never really became the consensus because of Zionist opposition. As Orwell once wrote, “Whoever controls history controls the world.””
Posted by: todd | Jan 28 2024 22:15 utc | 68
Great post, thanks

Posted by: canuck | Jan 29 2024 11:18 utc | 221